From what I have read and remember from reading Victorio, Lozenges was a true ' seer '. She knew when Victoria's tribe was about to be attacked. She was a true warrior, who once helped a very pregnant Mescalero squaw deliver her child. Then helped both mother and child back to the reservation, crossing a couple of hundred miles over extremely desert terrain ( from memory ). Thus she was absent when Victorio was hunted down and killed. She must have been something to behold.
Thank you so much for uploading these videos about women warriors, they're so great. It's fantastic to see accurate portrayals of women warriors at last, and not the outrageous creations Patriarchy thinks are female warriors.
You forgot Siki she was awesome too. Let's not forget that all of those women that were with Geronimo were three quarters of his fighting force and this was ignored by the US Army.
Some of this info is incorrect or twisted in some way, Like our public school curriculum. But still amazing how lozen is talked about and remembered to this day.
I am Mescalero Apache. My father's father is Chiricahua Apache I have family that rode with and against Geronimo. Please tell me what is wrong with this story because I am not seeing it?
better than being conquered by the British look at the Aboriginals down there. least we got guns nd rights and the pursuit of happiness here like every other Americans here nd also I got to fuck alot of white women super hard for my ancestors. hell yeah last one was Ukrainian or something.
Yes, exactly! Education and society are key factors. I believe there have been female warriors in all cultures, only they were socially accepted in few, minorities in many, persecuted in too many. And Patriarchy has tried very hard to efface as many women warriors as it can (and women scientists, and the like), so that women can find no role models and believe that female warriors are rare, sporadic deviations from the norm. It's nice to meet someone who thinks like that too :)!
Remember Mexico was way south not the American border line you know .Our territory is further south .Mexico was a small country . Those people on the the other side if that line were apaches and still are today. We know who our relatives are
Descendant of Lozen and Victorio? Given the very definition of the word, she can only be the descendant of one or the other as brother-sister relations would not have been allowed in Apache society.
Are far more than "5-6 female warriors...." Are 100s of Celtic female warriors alone & 1000s in the ancient (pre-HIStory aka matriarchal) world. But alas, "'HIStory' is written by the victors," (men). HERstory has far different tales. (LOL indeed!)
I am Native and Celtic. Women took up the sword and hatchet many times to protect the vulnerable ones at home. In many cultures. It was the Church that came in an taught such things were not appropriate. If I am in a village or camp, it doesn't matter what I am. Inside I know I would fight so to try and protect the children. Boys as young as 7 or 8 would try to fight when they saw their mothers and little siblings being killed. Conquering is physical, but never surrendering is in the heart and soul. It can't be touched. Knowing what was wrong and what was right. The Creator is on the side of the persecuted indigenous people of the world. The Celtic people were indigenous people of Europe. They were also one of the most feared warriors in the world. Men and women.
You're right by the accounts that I have read Lozen wasn't that attractive, perhaps mostly because she dressed as a man and just like the men never really paid much attention to her appearance. Now there was another female Apache warrior name Dahteste of the Mescalero Apache who was married and had children but rode with her husband as a warrior in battle. I wish they had done an episode on her as well.
She was very attractive had many suiters . One warrior tried to have his way with her when she was young and refuse to marry him and she killed him broke his neck beat him to death with her bare hands . She was feared nd respected after that nd no man dared mess with her. I'm Apache we were all told these stories growing up by our elders nd Grandparents
Let's bring the AMAZING & COURAGEOUS Lozen out of the closet; using today's vocabulary Lozen was an incredibly gifted Two Spirit person ( A Butch Lesbian.) I'm so tired of the hets trying to " figure out" & claim our LGBTQI historical figures as their own! This has rendered us invisible for centuries, & like the fierce fighter Lozen, I won't stand for it anymore!
"Amazon" has Warrior Women? Seems a little redundant, no? ;-) (Sorry, couldn't resist... LOL!) *And before I get a score of "informative" replies, *yes*, I KNOW the company was named for the river... It was a *joke*, fer gosh sakes!
This! Absolutely! Those depictions (Patriarchy's depictions of 'female warriors') don't show real female warriors. They are images of objectified women made for men, nothing more. Since when can anyone fight in high-heeled boots,a tight corset with all your breasts out and a tiny loincloth? Too many drawbacks, huh? Unprotected chest, femoral artery in thighs exposed, inability to walk or breathe...I wouldn't call that a warrior! Sorry too, I suppose ;).
What’s that supposed to mean? Unless “white Mexican”, you’re all descendants of various tribes of Mexico/central America that lived there prior to the arrival of the Spaniards and the conquistadors...and who taught the Natives to take scalps in the 1st place? The white man!
From what I have read and remember from reading Victorio, Lozenges was a true ' seer '. She knew when Victoria's tribe was about to be attacked. She was a true warrior, who once helped a very pregnant Mescalero squaw deliver her child. Then helped both mother and child back to the reservation, crossing a couple of hundred miles over extremely desert terrain ( from memory ).
Thus she was absent when Victorio was hunted down and killed. She must have been something to behold.
Absolutely fantastic! Thank you so much for putting this up! I can't wait to see all the other videos of Warrior Women!
Thank you so much for uploading these videos about women warriors, they're so great. It's fantastic to see accurate portrayals of women warriors at last, and not the outrageous creations Patriarchy thinks are female warriors.
Yes!! My thoughts exactly. The same is true also for the amazon female warrior tribe
I'm a Mother of 5. All these women weren't feminists at all; they believe In GOD, a CALL to save their people. Women full of Courage & Love
Dahteste,Gouyen & Lozen are three women who are all from the Chiricahua Apache.
You forgot Siki she was awesome too. Let's not forget that all of those women that were with Geronimo were three quarters of his fighting force and this was ignored by the US Army.
Dahteste was Mescalero Apache. Lozen and Gouyen were Chihenne Chiricahua Apache.
My father named me after her and my mother named my sister Victoria and as fate would have it I'm part Apache.
What a great namesake to have!
@Axl Neztsosie my family is from New Mexico and some in San Carlos. I’m part Apache.
It s nice t see Lucy on a horse again!Miss Xena so much.And now i^m addicted to your vids about warrior women.thank you for sharing:)
Thank you for putting this up! I really wanted to see this when I heard about it and I can't believe it's not released!
i am a guy and i admire warrior women, i would buy this show too if it was for sale.
Lozen is my indigenous hero because she is a bad ass
I love the Apache people
I'm full apache
Ms jacobs class!!!
Thank you. 🦅🇺🇸👊
hi there , thats great .life is a vast setting !!
kindest wishes
This is hard to watch because of how recent it is and because of my native american friends
Interesting. I watched some epizodes from this series, but not all of them.
does anyone know if you can get this programme on dvd or video? loving it!
i've never heard of her before but she's pretty cool =D
Yes NOW, 4 years on. Geeze.
thank you.
Can you do an episode on the apache warrior woman Dahteste
Some of this info is incorrect or twisted in some way, Like our public school curriculum. But still amazing how lozen is talked about and remembered to this day.
I am Mescalero Apache. My father's father is Chiricahua Apache I have family that rode with and against Geronimo. Please tell me what is wrong with this story because I am not seeing it?
Native Americans got the raw deal. I am actually feeling ashamed and I am not even an American
better than being conquered by the British look at the Aboriginals down there. least we got guns nd rights and the pursuit of happiness here like every other Americans here nd also I got to fuck alot of white women super hard for my ancestors. hell yeah last one was Ukrainian or something.
It was never released
Lozen😘
@SwordwomanRiona99 it just wasn't popular, nothing more. It wasn't promoted well enough.
it's fantastic. Thanks for this creation. So inspirational. Should reach all women !
You always keep your best weapon a secret. What if they put a bounty on her head?🎉😢
@chrysalisstage Its on amazon but its expensive
Check amazon I just saw it there
Yes, exactly! Education and society are key factors. I believe there have been female warriors in all cultures, only they were socially accepted in few, minorities in many, persecuted in too many. And Patriarchy has tried very hard to efface as many women warriors as it can (and women scientists, and the like), so that women can find no role models and believe that female warriors are rare, sporadic deviations from the norm.
It's nice to meet someone who thinks like that too :)!
Late, but even back then blaming the purported patriarchy made you look dumb.
Best Sawyer in history....
Hi twins
here here x
You're very welcome :)
Never heard of this one
Remember Mexico was way south not the American border line you know .Our territory is further south .Mexico was a small country .
Those people on the the other side if that line were apaches and still are today. We know who our relatives are
oh but it is released
????
Descendant of Lozen and Victorio? Given the very definition of the word, she can only be the descendant of one or the other as brother-sister relations would not have been allowed in Apache society.
@XenaChi And we can all guess why...Real female warriors would not sell, I suppose. Blast Patriarchy!!
Are far more than "5-6 female warriors...." Are 100s of Celtic female warriors alone & 1000s in the ancient (pre-HIStory aka matriarchal) world. But alas, "'HIStory' is written by the victors," (men). HERstory has far different tales. (LOL indeed!)
I am Native and Celtic. Women took up the sword and hatchet many times to protect the vulnerable ones at home. In many cultures. It was the Church that came in an taught such things were not appropriate. If I am in a village or camp, it doesn't matter what I am. Inside I know I would fight so to try and protect the children. Boys as young as 7 or 8 would try to fight when they saw their mothers and little siblings being killed. Conquering is physical, but never surrendering is in the heart and soul. It can't be touched. Knowing what was wrong and what was right. The Creator is on the side of the persecuted indigenous people of the world. The Celtic people were indigenous people of Europe. They were also one of the most feared warriors in the world. Men and women.
Yes they should have herstory too as well as history.Ever considered why history is called his-tory?Well they should have her-story too!
That's lady death right there, I heard she died and killed Lucifer. Amen priestess.
xena was bi
You're right by the accounts that I have read Lozen wasn't that attractive, perhaps mostly because she dressed as a man and just like the men never really paid much attention to her appearance. Now there was another female Apache warrior name Dahteste of the Mescalero Apache who was married and had children but rode with her husband as a warrior in battle. I wish they had done an episode on her as well.
Late, but judging by the few photos of her that exist, Lozen did not dress as a man.
She was very attractive had many suiters . One warrior tried to have his way with her when she was young and refuse to marry him and she killed him broke his neck beat him to death with her bare hands . She was feared nd respected after that nd no man dared mess with her. I'm Apache we were all told these stories growing up by our elders nd Grandparents
@@SirBlackReeds there is only one known photo claimed to be of Lozen.
Nice I love native culture but I wish they made one for a black woman too
Let's bring the AMAZING & COURAGEOUS Lozen out of the closet; using today's vocabulary Lozen was an incredibly gifted Two Spirit person ( A Butch Lesbian.) I'm so tired of the hets trying to " figure out" & claim our LGBTQI historical figures as their own! This has rendered us invisible for centuries, & like the fierce fighter Lozen, I won't stand for it anymore!
"Amazon" has Warrior Women? Seems a little redundant, no? ;-) (Sorry, couldn't resist... LOL!)
*And before I get a score of "informative" replies, *yes*, I KNOW the company was named for the river... It was a *joke*, fer gosh sakes!
This! Absolutely! Those depictions (Patriarchy's depictions of 'female warriors') don't show real female warriors. They are images of objectified women made for men, nothing more. Since when can anyone fight in high-heeled boots,a tight corset with all your breasts out and a tiny loincloth? Too many drawbacks, huh? Unprotected chest, femoral artery in thighs exposed, inability to walk or breathe...I wouldn't call that a warrior! Sorry too, I suppose ;).
Ain't much difference between a Mexican and Indian scalp.
What’s that supposed to mean? Unless “white Mexican”, you’re all descendants of various tribes of Mexico/central America that lived there prior to the arrival of the Spaniards and the conquistadors...and who taught the Natives to take scalps in the 1st place? The white man!
talk is cheap