I’ve never seen so many people congratulating for a sponsorship under a video, but i’m with them, congrats man, i love your videos, that sponsorship and more to come are well deserved!
It definitely is. According to the technical regs, it is, unquestionably, illegal, but like some other illegal parts or behaviors, since every single team is doing it, the FIA does not enforce its own rules. A funny one is every car carrying reference stickers on every rear wing. Those round stickers were introduced a few years ago so that the FIA could check flexing rear wings. However, the FIA decided to forget about it, and now the cars carry those stickers essentially for no reason. Everyone can see the stickers clearly moving on the straights (and moving quite significantly in some cases), yet no further regulations or TDs are introduced.
I found it interesting to find out that the current cars only have 70mm of travel in the rear! And that a change as small as half a millimeter can affect the speed of a car on a straight.
A friend bought me a REC 901 (their first model) while he was visiting Japan. I'm massively into watches and Porsches so it really is the perfect gift. Great to see you getting sponsored by them.
Doesn't that makes the floor spring and dampers movable aerodynamic device like the banned tuned mass damper ? Even if it's attached to the sprung part of the car, it still moves.
This is my thought exactly The Lotus 88 was not raced because it had an aerodynamic "floor" that moved independently of the rest of the chassis and other teams threatened to protest it Again we have a floor that moves independently of the rest of the car How is this different ? How is it legal ?
Yes and no. Every material bends and flexes. They give the teams dimensions/wearlimits etc. and can check it before and after sessions. Like flexing front wings, tilting rearwings when within limits and ok during described checks it’s ok. But yes, this is sort of movable aero
No. It behaves in the same way as every material on the planet - when a force is applied it deflects, and returns to its original position when the force is removed. That's elastic deformation and it applies to everything up to a certain point. It is legal because it would be impossible to make a car that doesn't deform. The car would have to defy physics. Deformation limit tests are often used in F1 to attempt to keep the deformation sensible. Edit - the movement is also passive, rather than active.
For those interested, the early solutions to this problem were something as simple as a blade or a flexible column. During FIA tests, the blade would be very stiff and thus not allow the T-tray to move. The car would pass the test. However, as soon as on track, the blade would be subjected to lateral forces as well as vertical ones. The lateral forces would immediately allow the blade to flex, thus losing its stiffness, thus allowing the T-tray to move as well. For a while, RedBull or ToroRosso used something as simple as a very thin metal column just to pass the force tests, while less affecting the flow than the blade solution did.
After watching the video, I wonder if these workarounds to minimize plank wear defeats the purpose of them introducing the plank wear rule, because teams can run the car on higher downforce without heavily affecting the plank. Fantastic video, by the way
Finally someone who pays attention to one of the most important areas of developement in recent years! But there is one thing wrong here - the plank is made of a composite material, it is no longer really wood. It would have been worth mentioning that the "suspended" floor, t-tray etc. was invented by Rory Byrne in 2003 on the Ferrari F2003.
Video idea: how SuperGT cars seal their foor with vortices. I noticed their floor edge deisgn is nothing like the f1 cars of this generation or the one before.
The plank on an F1 car has never been made out of wood. A material far more stable and consistent than wood is required. Surprised you did not know as much.
I’ve never seen so many people congratulating for a sponsorship under a video, but i’m with them, congrats man, i love your videos, that sponsorship and more to come are well deserved!
Thanks a lot, great to hear!
Possibly one of the first RUclips ads which seems appropriate, unlike, say, Scottish lord certificates or breakfast cereals.
Thanks!
Sponsors? Let's goo
Hey look ma I made it
Wait a seccond: Isn't floor suspension a movable aerodynamic device?
Ssshhhhh ! 🤫 And don’t mention the dynamic front wings 😅
F1 teams don't want you to know about this ☝️☝️☝️
Can't believe these devices are common tech while mass damper, a device that doesn't even touch moving air got banned.
@@brokeafengineerwannabe2071ferrari bribing finds a way
It definitely is. According to the technical regs, it is, unquestionably, illegal, but like some other illegal parts or behaviors, since every single team is doing it, the FIA does not enforce its own rules.
A funny one is every car carrying reference stickers on every rear wing. Those round stickers were introduced a few years ago so that the FIA could check flexing rear wings. However, the FIA decided to forget about it, and now the cars carry those stickers essentially for no reason. Everyone can see the stickers clearly moving on the straights (and moving quite significantly in some cases), yet no further regulations or TDs are introduced.
I found it interesting to find out that the current cars only have 70mm of travel in the rear! And that a change as small as half a millimeter can affect the speed of a car on a straight.
On the straights and on the corners as well!
Thats crazy, i never thought that that area was so extremely developed.
PS: Nice Watch with a cool history
woah congratulations for getting sponsor!
Genuinely a piece of tech I didn’t know about, that doesn’t happen very often. Nice work
A friend bought me a REC 901 (their first model) while he was visiting Japan. I'm massively into watches and Porsches so it really is the perfect gift. Great to see you getting sponsored by them.
I want a watch made from bits of Zhou’s roll hoop
Really good analysis as usual :)
Thanks a lot!
Doesn't that makes the floor spring and dampers movable aerodynamic device like the banned tuned mass damper ? Even if it's attached to the sprung part of the car, it still moves.
This is my thought exactly
The Lotus 88 was not raced because it had an aerodynamic "floor" that moved independently of the rest of the chassis and other teams threatened to protest it
Again we have a floor that moves independently of the rest of the car
How is this different ?
How is it legal ?
Asked myself the same question in 2022 and thought forsure it was gonna be banned but if it was the cars probably wouldn’t work
Yes and no. Every material bends and flexes. They give the teams dimensions/wearlimits etc. and can check it before and after sessions. Like flexing front wings, tilting rearwings when within limits and ok during described checks it’s ok. But yes, this is sort of movable aero
No. It behaves in the same way as every material on the planet - when a force is applied it deflects, and returns to its original position when the force is removed.
That's elastic deformation and it applies to everything up to a certain point.
It is legal because it would be impossible to make a car that doesn't deform. The car would have to defy physics.
Deformation limit tests are often used in F1 to attempt to keep the deformation sensible.
Edit - the movement is also passive, rather than active.
@@procatprocat9647 the movement of the "primary chassis" of the Lotus 88 was also "passive"
And we all know what happened to that revolutionary car...
Could you do a more detailed breakdown of the new F2 car? I would be especially interested in seeing what the floor looks like.
For those interested, the early solutions to this problem were something as simple as a blade or a flexible column. During FIA tests, the blade would be very stiff and thus not allow the T-tray to move. The car would pass the test. However, as soon as on track, the blade would be subjected to lateral forces as well as vertical ones. The lateral forces would immediately allow the blade to flex, thus losing its stiffness, thus allowing the T-tray to move as well.
For a while, RedBull or ToroRosso used something as simple as a very thin metal column just to pass the force tests, while less affecting the flow than the blade solution did.
Great explanation and analysis
Glad you liked it!
Reminds me of the Lotus 88 "twin chassis" car.
After watching the video, I wonder if these workarounds to minimize plank wear defeats the purpose of them introducing the plank wear rule, because teams can run the car on higher downforce without heavily affecting the plank.
Fantastic video, by the way
FIA 2006: Mass dampers = movable aerodynamics -> banned.
FIA since years: This is fine (as well as huge rear wheel hub mounted aero devices)
Finally someone who pays attention to one of the most important areas of developement in recent years! But there is one thing wrong here - the plank is made of a composite material, it is no longer really wood. It would have been worth mentioning that the "suspended" floor, t-tray etc. was invented by Rory Byrne in 2003 on the Ferrari F2003.
This guy was F1 engineer so he has both experience and expertise about it but it probably team by team
bro, where do you get this information from?
It is truly amazing how technically sophisticated the modern F-1 cars are!
Its strange the rules allow this. Isnt this considered movable aero parts?
Nope, it just deflects passively when force is applied, then returns afterwards, just like every object on the planet.
Thanks
Wow, I didn't know there was a dampers and springs in that area. How does that not compute as an aero movable device
What a coincidence, that watch photo was taken at the exact same time as just about every other watch being advertised. Ten - two 😊 (it's a thing)
Congratulations on the sponsorship! 🎉
What was the crash at 0:49????
Ericsson Sauber Monza21
PPS (Plank Protection System)...
What a cool sponsor
Moveable aero device, though.
Video idea: how SuperGT cars seal their foor with vortices. I noticed their floor edge deisgn is nothing like the f1 cars of this generation or the one before.
Actually pre 2021 DTM too given both are class 1 cars
crazy how worn the red bull plank looks compared to the mercedes
God damn that’s a watch I would really like! Why does it have to be $3200 usd.
Is the suggestion that Red Bull's loss of pace relative to the rest of the field is not coincidental?
The plank looks like wood but its not.
That watch is freaking beyond cool........what a brilliant idea
did i hear right? slowlier?
great video once again, maybe im even first!
Thanks!
Nice video, but half of it was the advert !!!!
I've told you a million times to stop exaggerating.
Love your channel but 5:40 of video and 1:10 of ad is pushing it
You can skip 🤷♂️
The plank on an F1 car has never been made out of wood. A material far more stable and consistent than wood is required. Surprised you did not know as much.
Are you seriously contradicting him considering he literally used to work in the sport? Everyone knows it's a wooden plank.
@@lichh64 Used to be, it's fiberglass now.
2 years late
The reason Mercedes has been sucking.