Love your real world plumbing video's Mark, Hate to see when it goes wrong for you , but i love to see how you overcome these problems very educational and entertaining still ,thanks.
I feel for you Mark, I fitted one of those toilets, an eBay special from China about 5 years ago. Same problem couldn’t stop it from leaking, called my brother-in-law over (plumber), he spotted the same as you cracks inside, nightmare. Great content again Mark, thank you.
Fitted alot of wall hung pans. For me geberit ones are the best. Usually fit all the connectors that come from the 4 inch. Very rarely you get a problem
Just fitted 8 of those floating pans in a multi million pound house they are a pain. I found if you measure the grub screw to hit the back of that groove in the bullet it pulls the pan in nice and tight. Looking forward to the dyson tap see loads in the airport last week nice idea.
Great vid this Mark . I try to avoid wall hang pans as they're literally a pain in the arse. When i have to do them im like silicone bob which isn't ideal . but it's so hard to source the leak. you identified the leak for sure sometimes the moulding fails. Well done fella.
Another great video Mark I really enjoy your plumbing videos. I have now finished my bathroom thanks to you. You inspired me. The drills told me to buy are brilliant. Also the silicon are used BT one I don’t think I would’ve done it without watching your videos. Many thanks.
I totally Agree with the cistern and siphon problem, I still don’t understand why the hole is so big on cistern, just doesn’t make sense!!!! Also them Knipex cutters I find Annoying, as you have to manually clamp it down on the pipe and when your in a tight spot it’s frustrating. I’ve just ordered the ox pro polyzip cutter 25-55mm as they clamp on pipe. Good video mate.
Great video Mark, it’s good to see how a skilled and experienced person copes with those sort of situations. Looking forward to that weird Dyson tap install - it looks a bit mad to be honest!
We used to wire urinals and sinks to little solenoids linked with the lighting PIR in commercial bathrooms. so once the room was empty, lights out, urinals flush, and water to sinks shut off, so nobody could leave a tap running. obviously that’s more high traffic, general public or schools where people would likely leave taps running etc
Hi Mark, what a job you had with that floating pan. Thanks for the info, if I ever get tangled up with one I now know to check the casting first. I have only ever seen the Dyson air blade taps fitted in motor way service stations. So more info would be fantastic. Have a great week and take care. Regards Chris 👍👍👍
I feel your pain regarding that toilet, i had a pan with a crack in exactly the same place, i must have used 4 different flush cones and even used silicone, all to no avail, it did my head right in. A simple toilet change that turned into a nightmare. Hope you get it sorted soon.
We do a lot of work in pubs on urinal systems,we bin rubber washers that come with Syphons(they just splay when tightening them) fit a clear poly washer,they about 50 wraps of ptfe so you have to push bung of ptfe through hole in cistern,silicone over ptfe then tighten,same with waste fitting.Youd think for that wall hung pan,the joiner could of cut one of those side panels to height of pan for easy access and to check for leaks,no one is really gonna see panel at side of marble front. great video.👍
👍👍👍 MJ. You had me 😅😅😅 when you had to deal with that cistern leak. You put on the washers as usual, looking for it all to be done, then it leaks, and you were like me -'right, had it. Come we go with the silicone.' Then you not only siliconed it the once on the internal washer, but TWICE on them both, before AND after the washers. Doubled up on it, making damn sure it don't leak again!! The washers are there to guarantee a leak free installation, but sometimes they're not good enough, and you improvise. As for that toilet....from time you've got it linked up to screw it into place and yet it leaks nonetheless, having felt when the flush pipe inlet and the waste inlet have linked up well, and you've been in and out with it so often, it had to be a defect on it. And that Dyson Wash 'n' Blow....again, real world plumbing. We're meant to know everything on plumbing, but you've shown it can come at times when you get a job of little to no knowledge on part of it, and you have to read instructions, and there's a flaming book on it. If there are any Peter Perfects wanting to say they'd know it from 10mns into it, good luck.
That bottle trap on the urinal will smell lovely in no time at all. The crystal formations are horrendous. 🤢 Well done on fixing leaks - it's always a gutting moment when the drip drip starts.
Great video Mark, as a diy, r I would just assume I had done something wrong fitting the toilet. How long should I leave silicone before filling up and testing please, thanks mate 👍
What a F**king nightmare! I think you kept your cool rather well, because I would have beat the pan off the wall. Well done for spotting the crack in the cast of the pan. great vid as always Tiffy. I to have had a problem with those torpedo waste pipes, silicone is always the answer. 👍👍
Hi Mate, I had the same issue with one I fitted. Was hans grohe frame and a Roca wc. I couldn't get it to seal naturally so in the end I bought a mcalpine wc coupler as these have 2 seals and that cured the problem. Issue was the glazing on the outlet was perfectly circular and the outlet pipe that came with the frame wasn't very pliable. My be of use to you in the future 👍
Watching our Aussie brothers videos, the solvent glue over there comes with a "pom pom" shaped brush which must be much better at applying the glue when you are applying vertically - I wonder why our manufacturers haven't cottoned on to this? I have also found Cisternmisers to be poor when hot/cold supplies to basins are going through a TMV - they don't trigger the valve so you end up with the only trigger being the toilet fill.....consequently the loo ends up stinking due to lack of flushing of the urinal. The only solution I came up with was removing the CM valve and using a ball o fix with a dribble of water constantly coming out of it....certainly solved the stink issue though!
Wall hung toilets are such a pain, i normally put a couple of towles in the void in the back on the pan and run off with the customers money if i to have to take it of more then once hides it for a couples of days.
Not a good idea fitting the wall sockets under a sink next to water fittings that could start leaking. When I come across sockets under the sink with my customer I advise them to be removed or upgrade to waterproof wall sockets. The cistern gaskets could do with being upgraded to a plug type gasket to fill up that big space. Keep the videos coming Mark.
hi mark , newly subscribed , originally from leamington , now up in warrington , what is the paste you use on comp joints , instead of ptfe excellent videos mate 👌
Mate had a similar problem today with a back to the wall close coupled toilet, the pan was so distorted that it wouldn’t seal on the pan connector. Had it in and out about 10 times until I realised it was the F@@king toilet 😂 so I feel your pain lol
They’re so fiddly trying to get them on I use the holding it up with my knees lol to bolt it in as don’t have an apprentice anymore you can take them in and out loads just slightly altering the bolts even though you measure them as. They only wanna bite in one spot
That toilet, though. It’s a bugger to fit, it’s going to be a bugger to clean underneath and in a few years’ time it’s going to be a bugger to change the flush valve. The fact that it’s knackered out of the box is just the cherry on the turd.
This is a good reason for not buying shit ceramics. Any savings must have been lost in his time - worse still, what if you get a call-out in the future as a result? Spend the extra and get Ideal Standard - if you have the choice! I couldn't be arsed with that floating BTW toilet - set up like that with no removable access - you'll never know for sure the connections are right. Unless that flush pipe is really well secured in advance, I would have thought it could flex when positioning the pan. Too many unknowns for me. I guess you just have to work with what you're given. Good video by the way!
Not surprised that toilet cistern leaked with the size of that hole in the bottom. Got to do what you have to mark to seal it 👍👍. I bet you was well annoyed with that toilet .even worse when you can't see what's happening 😯
I was always taught to PTFE the threads of any fitting coming out of a sanitary unit, be it a sink waste or cistern, is that something you do? just curious.
Love the real world plumbing video's ,hate to see stuff go wrong for you but is so educational and entertaining to see you over come these problems, thanks as always Mark.
The silicon will last longer than the rubber seal if its good silicon that is, may as well do it.. cant see the issue, also your turning the same color as your Hi-vis vest lol
Any pan where the waste and flush cone is concealed are always a pain. I think its the faff of having to empty the pan everytime is the biggest pain in the arse
Ive been standing in the men's toilet at my local pub for 36 hours now and it hasn't leaked and I'm getting a lot of funny looks how long do I have to wait till it leaks
Can I just ask why BT1/CT1 and not plumbers mate putty? Is it not more hassle to strip down and replace parts if they have had the life siliconed out of them?
😁😁 I replace a lot of sink wastes fill valves etc in a block of flats every time you replace one it takes ten times longer as the plumbers who did the fitting used tons of silicone on everything I'm usually glad if the tenant is out as I use some coarse Anglo saxon language to describe the plumber.. I personally use plumbers mate never have any probs
@@MJTiffPlumbing yeah I use it regularly, I've been to a more than a few jobs where the silicone has failed and fittings have loosened. Or spent ages scraping silicone off things. You're not the first person to say they haven't seen it in a while.
I use plumbers mait aswell. I done my apprenticeship wit people who used silicone but eventually when I got older U went to plumbers mait lol@@leighmurie3603
I m sure those pan connectors on that wall hung toilet its not for those they usually come with Europeans connectors thats why you lots are struggling and morning about as usual 😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂
Love your real world plumbing video's Mark, Hate to see when it goes wrong for you , but i love to see how you overcome these problems very educational and entertaining still ,thanks.
Thanks mate….. I will always show it no matter what
I feel for you Mark, I fitted one of those toilets, an eBay special from China about 5 years ago. Same problem couldn’t stop it from leaking, called my brother-in-law over (plumber), he spotted the same as you cracks inside, nightmare. Great content again Mark, thank you.
Thanks as always Keith👍🏼👍🏼
Should have a t fitting with cleaning eye instead of bottom elbow for the urinal for future blockages
Can take the trap off and go that way 👍🏼👍🏼
You and a load of other vans have just driven past my kitchen window in St John's Wood - London! Making a right racket!!!
Hahahah just seen this mate
@@MJTiffPlumbing Well done to all of you.
Fitted alot of wall hung pans. For me geberit ones are the best. Usually fit all the connectors that come from the 4 inch. Very rarely you get a problem
This is one huge problem
Just fitted 8 of those floating pans in a multi million pound house they are a pain. I found if you measure the grub screw to hit the back of that groove in the bullet it pulls the pan in nice and tight. Looking forward to the dyson tap see loads in the airport last week nice idea.
Yep just pulls them in that little bit more 👌🏼👌🏼
Great job Mark as always the greatest thing is that you got solution for any problem mate I had fixed two of them last week and I know the pain ❤️👍🏼🙂
Thanks mate
I feel your pain!
Pain in the arse
I always do wall hung pans on the Alca Frame absolutely love them such a clean look.
👍🏼👍🏼
Nice belt and braces job on the urinal cistern with 4 beads of silicone.
Reminds me of that saying.
Dont worry the guys onsite will sort that out.
Great vid this Mark . I try to avoid wall hang pans as they're literally a pain in the arse. When i have to do them im like silicone bob which isn't ideal . but it's so hard to source the leak. you identified the leak for sure sometimes the moulding fails. Well done fella.
Thanks Chris👍🏼👍🏼
Another great video Mark I really enjoy your plumbing videos. I have now finished my bathroom thanks to you. You inspired me. The drills told me to buy are brilliant. Also the silicon are used BT one I don’t think I would’ve done it without watching your videos. Many thanks.
Glad you got it sorted mate… well done
Feel your pain ,have had exactly same issue
Nightmare isn’t it
Great video tonight and nice to see how you overcome the problems
Thanks buddy 👍🏼👍🏼
I have had the same issue a right pain to diagnose only fix was a new pan 😉👍
Yep…. New pan here and all sorted
I totally Agree with the cistern and siphon problem, I still don’t understand why the hole is so big on cistern, just doesn’t make sense!!!!
Also them Knipex cutters I find Annoying, as you have to manually clamp it down on the pipe and when your in a tight spot it’s frustrating. I’ve just ordered the ox pro polyzip cutter 25-55mm as they clamp on pipe.
Good video mate.
Yep I agree about the cutters mate…..
Great video Mark, it’s good to see how a skilled and experienced person copes with those sort of situations.
Looking forward to that weird Dyson tap install - it looks a bit mad to be honest!
Thanks mate 👍🏼👍🏼
We used to wire urinals and sinks to little solenoids linked with the lighting PIR in commercial bathrooms.
so once the room was empty, lights out, urinals flush, and water to sinks shut off, so nobody could leave a tap running.
obviously that’s more high traffic, general public or schools where people would likely leave taps running etc
Nice idea that 👏🏼🙌🏼
Used one of those Dyson taps at the airport, pretty cool looking things
Video of install coming Sunday 😉👍🏼
What a pi55er that cistern and pan were. Hope you are right and it's the pan that's cracked. Good video, thanks Marc
Thanks mate 👍🏼👍🏼
Nice vid this week, what a head ache that wc
Thanks mate…. Yep was a right pain
Hi Mark, what a job you had with that floating pan. Thanks for the info, if I ever get tangled up with one I now know to check the casting first.
I have only ever seen the Dyson air blade taps fitted in motor way service stations. So more info would be fantastic. Have a great week and take care. Regards Chris 👍👍👍
Thanks mate…. Yep I seen some at the airport recently, never seen them before and now they are everywhere🤣🤣
I feel your pain regarding that toilet, i had a pan with a crack in exactly the same place, i must have used 4 different flush cones and even used silicone, all to no avail, it did my head right in. A simple toilet change that turned into a nightmare.
Hope you get it sorted soon.
I’m hoping that will sort the issue mate
We do a lot of work in pubs on urinal systems,we bin rubber washers that come with Syphons(they just splay when tightening them) fit a clear poly washer,they about 50 wraps of ptfe so you have to push bung of ptfe through hole in cistern,silicone over ptfe then tighten,same with waste fitting.Youd think for that wall hung pan,the joiner could of cut one of those side panels to height of pan for easy access and to check for leaks,no one is really gonna see panel at side of marble front.
great video.👍
Yep very good idea that for access
👍👍👍 MJ. You had me 😅😅😅 when you had to deal with that cistern leak. You put on the washers as usual, looking for it all to be done, then it leaks, and you were like me -'right, had it. Come we go with the silicone.' Then you not only siliconed it the once on the internal washer, but TWICE on them both, before AND after the washers. Doubled up on it, making damn sure it don't leak again!!
The washers are there to guarantee a leak free installation, but sometimes they're not good enough, and you improvise. As for that toilet....from time you've got it linked up to screw it into place and yet it leaks nonetheless, having felt when the flush pipe inlet and the waste inlet have linked up well, and you've been in and out with it so often, it had to be a defect on it.
And that Dyson Wash 'n' Blow....again, real world plumbing. We're meant to know everything on plumbing, but you've shown it can come at times when you get a job of little to no knowledge on part of it, and you have to read instructions, and there's a flaming book on it. If there are any Peter Perfects wanting to say they'd know it from 10mns into it, good luck.
Hahaha thanks mate…. You know exactly where I’m coming from 👍🏼👍🏼
That bottle trap on the urinal will smell lovely in no time at all. The crystal formations are horrendous. 🤢 Well done on fixing leaks - it's always a gutting moment when the drip drip starts.
Hate having leaks…. But we all get them
Good way to describe it - that gutting moment of anticipation, thinking you've got it done in one, only for a drip to emerge.
The curve on the underside of that high level cistern is a ringing bell. You need much thicker washers.
Or silicone👌🏼
Uncle's got some other white stuff he uses to fill up big holes if you want to try an alternative 👀🤣 sorry couldn't help myself! 😅 great video mate 👊
I only use the Number 1 products mate…. That’s Bags and sealents 😝😝😉🙌🏼🙌🏼
Try a polythene washer under the rubber washer stops it twisting. Although the hole is way too big. I hope you have charged extra to fit that tap.
The tap is a whole seperate video I’ve dicided 🤣
Great video Mark, as a diy, r I would just assume I had done something wrong fitting the toilet. How long should I leave silicone before filling up and testing please, thanks mate 👍
Few hours with BT1 and you will be fine mate
What a F**king nightmare! I think you kept your cool rather well, because I would have beat the pan off the wall. Well done for spotting the crack in the cast of the pan. great vid as always Tiffy. I to have had a problem with those torpedo waste pipes, silicone is always the answer. 👍👍
Couldn’t of put it better myself mate 🤣🤣
..... And for lunch, Mark had..... Leek soup!
Great video fella. I look forward to the Dyson fitting adventure.
Hahahah 🤣🤣
Hi Mate, I had the same issue with one I fitted. Was hans grohe frame and a Roca wc. I couldn't get it to seal naturally so in the end I bought a mcalpine wc coupler as these have 2 seals and that cured the problem. Issue was the glazing on the outlet was perfectly circular and the outlet pipe that came with the frame wasn't very pliable. My be of use to you in the future 👍
Very handy that mate…. I’m back at it this week🤣
It was £19 online. I had the pan on and off that many times I felt like throwing the towel in 😅 please let us know the outcome. Best of luck 👍
Watching our Aussie brothers videos, the solvent glue over there comes with a "pom pom" shaped brush which must be much better at applying the glue when you are applying vertically - I wonder why our manufacturers haven't cottoned on to this? I have also found Cisternmisers to be poor when hot/cold supplies to basins are going through a TMV - they don't trigger the valve so you end up with the only trigger being the toilet fill.....consequently the loo ends up stinking due to lack of flushing of the urinal. The only solution I came up with was removing the CM valve and using a ball o fix with a dribble of water constantly coming out of it....certainly solved the stink issue though!
Yep I’m not a huge fan of the cistemister
Wall hung toilets are such a pain, i normally put a couple of towles in the void in the back on the pan and run off with the customers money if i to have to take it of more then once hides it for a couples of days.
Hahahaha….. I’m sure a few people have
Not a good idea fitting the wall sockets under a sink next to water fittings that could start leaking.
When I come across sockets under the sink with my customer I advise them to be removed or upgrade to waterproof wall sockets.
The cistern gaskets could do with being upgraded to a plug type gasket to fill up that big space.
Keep the videos coming Mark.
it’s now common practice in kitchens and new homes….. So many things now need a socket under the sink unit…
Sparkie should of fitted them higher up
Thanks for the reply Mark. Have a good evening.
hi mark , newly subscribed , originally from leamington , now up in warrington , what is the paste you use on comp joints , instead of ptfe
excellent videos mate 👌
Hey Gareth…. First off welcome about buddy…👍🏼👍🏼
Think that was V2 paste…..👍🏼
Mate had a similar problem today with a back to the wall close coupled toilet, the pan was so distorted that it wouldn’t seal on the pan connector. Had it in and out about 10 times until I realised it was the F@@king toilet 😂 so I feel your pain lol
Yep swapped this pan and all is well
Honestly what was the point of having a floating pan about 20mm off the ground
I did ask the same question
They’re so fiddly trying to get them on I use the holding it up with my knees lol to bolt it in as don’t have an apprentice anymore you can take them in and out loads just slightly altering the bolts even though you measure them as. They only wanna bite in one spot
I much prefer the old nut and cap connections.
People like to be different and easier to clean under the pan but a pain to install
Normally messed up first fix
That toilet, though. It’s a bugger to fit, it’s going to be a bugger to clean underneath and in a few years’ time it’s going to be a bugger to change the flush valve. The fact that it’s knackered out of the box is just the cherry on the turd.
It’s just one big bugger 🤣🤣
This is a good reason for not buying shit ceramics. Any savings must have been lost in his time - worse still, what if you get a call-out in the future as a result? Spend the extra and get Ideal Standard - if you have the choice!
I couldn't be arsed with that floating BTW toilet - set up like that with no removable access - you'll never know for sure the connections are right. Unless that flush pipe is really well secured in advance, I would have thought it could flex when positioning the pan. Too many unknowns for me. I guess you just have to work with what you're given.
Good video by the way!
Yep unfortunatly the customer wants it so I’ve got to try and make it work……
Not surprised that toilet cistern leaked with the size of that hole in the bottom. Got to do what you have to mark to seal it 👍👍.
I bet you was well annoyed with that toilet .even worse when you can't see what's happening 😯
That’s the most annoying thing, you cants see anything
That’s the trouble with urinals: they just take the piss…
We have reached a new low 🤣🤣🤣
Wish i had a £ for every urinal syohon ive had leak, ive been using plumbers mate on them for years now
They always leak don’t they
There a pain mark I hate them ,you can’t get your hands in there I always change the flush pipe fitting to a plastic one. Seems to work
So annoying this is mate
Great vid mate, do you charge customers for using more silicone for their products?
Got to charge for materials mate…. Someone has to pay
I know it might look crap but would a basin mate fit that urinal cistern?
No mate, complete different size….. this worked a treat
I feel like that cistern valve should have came with a chamfered rubber washer like the basin wastes
Wish it had
I’ve had a few toilets lately that the mould where the pan con goes on was faulty so couldn’t get a normal pan con to hold water 🤷♂️
They are not made well at all
Close coupled toilet all day long
I was always taught to PTFE the threads of any fitting coming out of a sanitary unit, be it a sink waste or cistern, is that something you do? just curious.
I don’t think I’ve ever done that tbh….. why would you??
You should be paid by CT1.
What's the difference between BT1 & CT1 🤔.
Anyway thanks and all the best.
BT1 is more of a finishing Sealent and has anti mould and fungus repellents in so stays perfectly white 👌🏼👌🏼👍🏼👍🏼
Love the real world plumbing video's ,hate to see stuff go wrong for you but is so educational and entertaining to see you over come these problems, thanks as always Mark.
ptfe the threads on the urinal
No need….. all is fine👍🏼👌🏼
The silicon will last longer than the rubber seal if its good silicon that is, may as well do it.. cant see the issue, also your turning the same color as your Hi-vis vest lol
Hahahaha…. Not now it’s faded
@@MJTiffPlumbing lol
Any pan where the waste and flush cone is concealed are always a pain. I think its the faff of having to empty the pan everytime is the biggest pain in the arse
I’m not a fan of them at all
Ive been standing in the men's toilet at my local pub for 36 hours now and it hasn't leaked and I'm getting a lot of funny looks how long do I have to wait till it leaks
Hold in there mate…. It’s coming🤣🤣
its just another day in the real world ;;
Indeed mate
Silicone always save a day 😊
Insurance
@@MJTiffPlumbing I use Ct1 a lot 🤣
One of them days I put that toilet seat on before you put it back in so you don't have pull it back out mate
You got them from the top buddy 😉👍🏼👍🏼….
@@MJTiffPlumbing 👍👍👍
A day of nightmare leaks a lot of products in my opinion are cheaply made and of course causes problems for us plumbers
Was a complete waste of a day and I was pulling my hair out 🤣😝
What’s the point in that floating toilet it’s literally 10mm off the ground 😮
Excatly
Wtf is the one with 2 toilets in one cubicle? Imagine watching your boss taking a dump 😂
Hahahaha….. dividers are now up
@@MJTiffPlumbing aha that makes sense now 😂
Bloody hell! What's the point in a floating pan that is only 1 inch off the floor!?
They now have a dust trap that they can't clean... 'kin pointless!
Completely agree
It's a waste disposal unit not a masarator
It’s a macerator in my video😉
Can I just ask why BT1/CT1 and not plumbers mate putty? Is it not more hassle to strip down and replace parts if they have had the life siliconed out of them?
😁😁 I replace a lot of sink wastes fill valves etc in a block of flats every time you replace one it takes ten times longer as the plumbers who did the fitting used tons of silicone on everything I'm usually glad if the tenant is out as I use some coarse Anglo saxon language to describe the plumber.. I personally use plumbers mate never have any probs
Haven’t seen plumbers mate for years tbh
@@MJTiffPlumbing yeah I use it regularly, I've been to a more than a few jobs where the silicone has failed and fittings have loosened. Or spent ages scraping silicone off things. You're not the first person to say they haven't seen it in a while.
I use plumbers mait aswell. I done my apprenticeship wit people who used silicone but eventually when I got older U went to plumbers mait lol@@leighmurie3603
🤘😎🤘🫖☕️🍪🎥👍👍
Evening mate
@@MJTiffPlumbing Evening Buddy 🤘😎🤘
I m sure those pan connectors on that wall hung toilet its not for those they usually come with Europeans connectors thats why you lots are struggling and morning about as usual 😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂
You mean “moaning” 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣