I realized after I released this video that I had forgotten to show how to use an alcohol stove like the Trangia with both the Ikea Hobo and Lixada wood-gas stoves. Here is a link to my follow-up video ruclips.net/video/efMnUPco2CY/видео.html
Good job Mark.... Yesterday my wife and I were shore fishing and had our Tomshoo gasification stove with us and I had some wood pellets with me for the first time. Thanks to one of your videos. We are so impressed. We cooked hot dogs over it and enjoyed a shore lunch with minimum effort.... Pellets rock.....
Another great review...even when I don’t need the item I always learn something...and watch it through. Again...you’re a natural, like you’ve been doing this for everrrr! Thnx👍👏🤝
Thank you for your kind words. Funny thing is I did not feel it was a clean a presentation as I had hoped. Glad it was watchable. Thanks for commenting
I have the Lixada and have used it for beach camping a couple of weeks each year the past 3 years. I love it. I don't worry about how much wood I can initially load because I load throughout the burn (collect a bag of twigs before using). I like the size, packability, price ($13 on taobao), and ease of finding fuel. Love watching the blue flame of the secondary gas jets.
Right on. I agree, after the initial load of wood burns through I just sit and feed it a bit at a time. Often, my first full load is all I need unless doing a lot of cooking. Thanks for commenting
Very professional video with tight editing. It gets to the heart of the matter/review, covers all the bases, but wastes no time with waffle. Great style.
@@MarkYoungBushcraft I have been watching a lot of stove reviews over the past few days, and keep finding myself thinking, 'get on with it man'. Your videos are not the shortest, but you pack in a lot of useful information in the time. I have been happy to watch more of your videos today.
I also have a collection of small wood stoves. I don't backpack, but do car camp and canoe camp. During the summer months I cook almost exclusively outdoors with my wood stoves. My current favorite is the Solo Campfire. It will burn long enough to leave it while I work in the garden, prepare the food I'm cooking, or answer the phone. It works fine for canning tomatoes and any other chore that requires the stove to keep going for hours. I'd like to see you compare the Solo Campfire to other stoves, the Ikea being of similar size. It is amazing how you can go to a heavily used campsite late in the season and still find plenty of wood to cook with within a few feet of where you set up your kitchen.
I have not yet made a hobo stove. When looking for a gasifier I went with a Tomshoo. It had the best price at the time, and it looks almost identical to the Lixada. For the cost these little stoves are great. I'm not as handy as you and lack the tools to make things, so I purchased crossbars. Now I just need to get to cutting on the tin cans. I saved some B&M brown bread cans that I was able to remove the bread from without opening both ends. I enjoy your comparison videos.
I expect the Tomshoo stove is identical. I have a few Tomshoo items and the quality is equal to Lixada and other Chinese brands. Enjoy your DIY projects. They can be fun and a bit addictive. Thanks for commenting
Thank you for the comparison, both are in my eyes good stoves, for backpacking i use the lixada with trangia option, my 1st use for the ikea is for making fire protected and with less smoke, also for heating a shelter with wood or charcoals
Love how you carry the package of wood chips. Lots of people carry treats for their dog, but carrying wood chips for your pet beaver must be a Canadian thing. ;-)
Actually, I take the chips from the beavers as they work on a tree. Tricky business. They can be really protective of their chips😆. Thanks for commenting John
Just bought 2 IKEA containers, next will put some little feet on them and try out with pellets first , later some lump charcoal. Thanks for the suggestions! Love them all. I also have a Solo Campfire stove that I LOVE having fun with that!
This is so cool...er... hot! My take-away is that either stove can bring 2 cups of water to a boil before I can set up my hammock and tarp!! I'll continue using my Ikea, and drop hints about the Lixada around B-day and Fathers day! Great video Mark!
Size & weight (stove&pot) are my key decision factors, so I've ended up with a solo stove & 900ml pot. That set is expensive! I also own and use the lixada stove and a zebra pot. The lixada only comes along when I cook food for 2 or more people. Thanks for the presentation. Your comparisons and usage reports are always apreciated.
The Solo set up is sweet. I have it as well and will be comparing it with a news stove I have not shown yet. Is the Zebra pot the 14cm? I don't have that size but I understand the Lixada will fit inside. Thanks for commenting
Nice Mark, I have both love both, but at the end of the day the Ikea stove is usually the one I take when I'm going on an over nighter. You just can't go wrong with the Ikea stove at any price!
Really enjoying your content Mark, I hope you're well. The IKEA stove was a great inspiration to upcycle and make my own stove, something I've taken a lot of pride in. I love the idea of using the half saddle clips for feet, something which I'm going to implement very soon before my next hike. Thanks again for the great inspiring ideas and also for the great comparative work too. Best Kris Edinburgh, Scotland
Mark, I had to laugh when you mentioned building crossbars out of aluminum stock. I built a hobo stove out of my charcoal lighter which uses newspaper. On it I carefully made a set of crossbars out of thick aluminum. On my first burn, they melted! I hope you have better luck with yours than I had with mine. Looking forward to more of your stove tests.
The charcoal lighter is like a volcano when it comes to heat. I think I could use it as a forge. Fortunately, the Ikea does not get anywhere as hot. Thanks for commenting
Both great stoves and affordable too. The Lexada is impressive in its efficiency. For the money I’ll likely lean towards the ikea. It can start with more fuel and go to a boil quicker. I’m not too concerned with avoiding a little smoke in my camping situations. Thank you for sharing your comparison test. Great product review.
Thanks for the video, I'm currently using 2 of the taller Ikea strainers. One set up for wood-no cut out I just feed from the top. The other set up for a jet boil style unit with a cut out on the side so as to use the gas control. Both work well.
Very interesting idea about using a strainer as a JetBoil style set up. I just picked up two of the taller strainers but have not made anything from them yet. Your idea gives me inspiration. Thanks for commenting
I didn't mention the main difference with mine is that I use 3 65x65 mm right angle brackets as feet for greater stability. They are attached with 1/4 inch bolts through the bottom holes.
i had lots of stoves from bushbuddy to lixada wood gas stoves but the best that i had was the ikea. It so versatile in terms of fuel and you can transform it in such many ways :)
Excellent idea and a great video! Thanks! In my experience woodgas stoves burn too fiercely for cooking ... they're best for boiling water quickly. If you want more control over the heat produced the other styles are more flexible. I recommend using a 22 cm vegetable steamer basket for your fire, with a free standing grill over it to support the pots. You then have the feeling of cooking over a camp fire but without leaving any scars. Interested to read everyone else's thoughts! Greetings from the UK ;)
I agree with the limitations on wood gas stoves. I have a video where I talk about that very issue. I also have a video on the vegetable steamer as a stove and will include it in these test videos at some point. Thanks for commenting
Mark Young I have absolutely no idea how I overlooked your earlier videos using the veg steamer!! Just watched them both ... excellent as always. And I agree with your comments. For me it’s all about fun ... and the veg steamer setup is just more fun than the various twig stoves that are available. Best wishes!
Thanks Mark. Very helpful. Am I right in thinking the Tomshoo and lixada stoves are different stoves but very similar in design and cost. Both cheap but efficient makes from China. I have the Tomshoo and it works great.
I have seen at least 5 or 6 different brandings of the same stove. They are all close copies of the Sliverfire Scout. There are a few that are larger so make sure you have the right size if you plan on carrying it in the MSR 775ml pot. Hope this helps. Thanks for commenting
What a well done comparison Mark , and I have found also that most wood stoves are fun to use. I have made the Hobo, as per your plans, and I also have the Lixada gasifier. In the winter I would prefer to use the hobo because of the wood capacity and also something that I have found quite enjoyable is the amount of radiated heat that the hobo kicks out.. Of all my wood stoves the hobo keeps me warmer in cold weather. Looking forward to your future comparisons.. Will there be an ultimate winner.. ? Will stay tuned.
Hard to beat the Ikea. That's the reason I stated with it. The heat generation is a con to some people who see it as wasted energy. It is appreciated in winter of course. Thanks for commenting John
Hey Mark, that's a very detailed video. The lixada stoves are one of the most reasonably priced wood gasifier stoves . I have six of them. Also I have just made and uploaded (after a hiatus of four years) two videos (one is a short edited version) comparing two Chinese alcohol stoves, one stainless steel and the other a brass stove. Please do take a look at it and also share it. Atb, The Solo Hiker....
Try seeing how long you can cook with 1 kilogram of wood available for each stove. That way you can fill it any way you like and add wood at any pace, until all the fuel is finished. This mimics what happens on a hike when you only get one good branch to burn.
I love this video! I've been using my Ikea hobo stove, in a slightly different configuration, but I was shopping around for a similar gasifier stove and now I'm wondering if I should bother. I'm subscribed and looking forward to more of your videos.
Glad you liked the video. I am trying out a few different easy mods to see if I can improve on the performance of the Ikea without adding a lot of weight. Thanks for commenting
I enjoyed this comparison and the information provided. I'd like to see your take on the best bargain (not necessarily cheapest in price) combination sets of wood stove (folding or gasification) and alcohol stove. And, as Dr. Dan said below, the link provided in the above notes does not take one to the referenced video.
Hey Bruce. Yes I had the wrong link in the description. It is fixed now. Great suggestion for a future video. I will see what I can come up with. Thanks for commenting
I love my Lixada stove,i have an older version with the fold down potholders.The best fuel that i have found by far is wood pellet cat litter.One filling burns for arond 1 hr.enough time to cook a meal and boil some water for a brew of coffee/tea.I often use a trangia spirit burner in the stove to make a quick brew.
Right on. I agree both the pellets and the alcohol stoves work great. Especially when all the wood around is wet or I just want my coffee now. Thanks for commenting
There are a good number of variations for this stove. I have tried little sticks up to one large piece split into four (Swedish Fire Log). All work a bit differently. Thanks for commenting
That was an interesting video, thanks. I would argue that the Lixada is bulkier than the Ikea. Yes when stored in the MSR pot it takes up less volume but what useful storage space is left inside? Not a lot. Compare that to the Ikea where the whole volume of the stove is useful storage space. As the wasted volume in the Lixada setup is greater than the wasted volume in the Ikea setup it is, in my opinion, bulkier. To me something is bulky if it wastes space in my bag. All the best.
What you say is right on. About the only thing I can pack inside the current setup is an alcohol stove. Now, if you carry a larger pot like the 14cm Zebra, the Lixada will fit inside with space to spare. Then it becomes more reasonable. Thanks for commenting
Very nice idea to compare some of your stoves Mark. What about the IKEA hobo Vs the Lixada "Little Bug inspired" one? Some similarities in design due to their barrel shape, this could be interesting. Thanks for the great work!
When considering the cost of the stoves, it would be fair to consider the time you put in making the Ikea stove and put a dollar value on that time. Even if it was only 30 minutes, what is the value of your 30 minutes of labor. $20 for a pre-made, efficient burning stove is s no-brainer to me That said, those who like to build their own stuff may fond it more rewarding to go with the home-built stove. Great review none-the-less.
Nice video! Maybe you could compare wood stoves vs alcohol stoves and the pros and cons of each. I have to admit that I usually cook with alcohol stoves because I don’t like the soot on the pot, but also enjoy a wood fire and use a Solo Stove “Campfire” model.
Solo Campfire is a cool looking stove. Would love to try it out. I may have to start using my alcohol stoves as we are entering fire ban season. Thanks for commenting
I think my Lixada had a small tray inside you can also use with a fuel tablet(s) or make a alcohol stove to use with it (using an old beer can) which makes it very versatile to just make a little hot water. Also if you put the Lixada in the bottom of a Zebra billy pot of the same diameter you would get bigger capacity and still have room inside for the food and so on.
I failed to mention the small bowl probably because I am not a big fan of hexamine tablets. I have used the bowl with gel alcohol and that works okay. You are right on about the stove fitting in the 14cm Zebra. It will also fit inside the Pathfinder Bush Pot and the Three-Dog Stove Mors Pot. I have the Solo Titan & 1800ml pot and the Lixada fits in that pot as well. I have a video where I talk about this versatility of the stove. Thanks for commenting
Could you do a comparison between the Lixada and the Kelly Kettle? I think that would be an interesting "apples to oranges" match up. Thanks for sharing! I purchased a Canway version of the Lexada from Amazon for $20 USD after watching one of your videos. I had always been interested in the Bush Buddy, but I couldn't pay that price for it.
Great comparison video. I own the Lixada and also have a collection of homemade (hobo?) stoves as well as stoves that were gifts. I find that I use the biofuel stoves more than alcohol or gas stoves. I feel like I’m keeping trails and campsites cleaner (clearer?) by using biofuel. I’m wondering when someone will make one of these wood gasification stoves in titanium.
I have found a few other piece together wood gas stoves but they are not common. Look for the Core Reactor 5 wood stove. It has a wood gas element to it and is made in titanium. Looks rather complex but still interesting. Thanks for commenting
Mark Young Thank you for your response, for all your great videos and for letting me know about the Toaks stove. After checking I found there’re two sizes and both are much lighter than the Lixada. How have I missed this? Lol As far as justification for getting another stove I have a couple of suggestions for you: I have a “fun fund” (just for more costly things I’ve found I believe I’d like) that I budget for each week. Delayed gratification is a good thing. Another option for you, due to having a RUclips channel, is to contact Toaks for a sample to review. I may not have suggested anything new to you but I hope I’ve helped. I know you’ve helped me.
I use both bottom lit as well as top lit. The advantage of top lit is that I can fill the stove before I begin and let it burn through. The advantage of bottom lit is I can put in as much or as little as I want to control the flame. Both work. Thanks for commenting
Good job. I wonder if the Ikea was stacked tighter (which you didn't do in order to keep the amount of fuel the same) would it burn slower, and thus be a little more efficient. I guess you must have tried that. Of course, something like the Ikea stove can be made from any size of food can for much less weight just by putting some holes in the sides and bottom and attaching some feet and a riser. It's basically just a hobo stove. Not stainless steel, so won't last as long, but who cares? Wow, did you say it boiled 2 cups in 2 minutes!? That's quite a record.
I have loaded the Ikea as tightly as I could and found it is more difficult to get the burn going as air flow is reduced. There is a balance as to how much wood to use. In truth, the Ikea has too much airflow from all sides causing it to burn very quick and very hot. I am experimenting with simple ways to slow the burn with the hope of making it more efficient. Thanks for commenting
Humbly, to me this comparison misses the most serious weak points of those 2 stoves. I live in a very humid and windy area. Ikea stoves have too many holes, most flames & heat are lost horizontally. Woodgas stoves really struggle, due to limited air flow, with damp wood. In my environment by far the best performing stove is a Firebox, although it's also the most heavy option. But thx for the video, interesting to see how results vary depending on conditions...
I agree totally with you. We have a good amount of wet windy days that make using either of these stoves a challenge. I also agree that the Firebox is easier to use in these conditions. I find the Firebox the best stove for winter time where wood is often wet and frozen. I will talk about that point when I compare the Firebox. Thanks for commenting
And then I recently bought a Firebox nano. Still trying to find out how to get it to work in my environment; so far it bevaves like a woodgas stove - making my presence known, visually.
I think digging a hole in the ground or using a windscreen plus use of firestarter will solve your problem. And perhaps much smaller diameter wood, which even if damp quickly dries when adjacent to the lit firestarter.
Hi Mark, this test was really "well" organized! Not far away from "Made in Germany" Test-Standards in earlier times! I've already copied your idea about the IKEA stove and for me there is further big advantage in using this one instead of normal wood gas stoves! Because by sticking 2 or 3 Barbecue iron bars through the different existing holes, I can also use it with my alcohol burner resp. my Trangia. The high of the burner can be fixed as I need it. Thanks again for your "fruitful suistanable" homemade engineering! 👍🙋 Best regards Uwe
Apple to orange comparison. Using the windscreen significantly impacted the Ikea performance (primary combustion only design, dirtier burning, DIY stove). The Ikea DIY unit performed well though with the aid of the windscreen. FYI: The DIY aluminum pot supports a bad idea due to the lower melting temperature of aluminum and the higher temperature of the woodstove flame. Your asking for trouble with an extended burn time. Both stoves have significant safety issues with no ash pan to catch hot embers falling below the combustion chamber floor as with our SilverFire Scout wood gas stove. Unfortunately, most Chinese wood gas stoves knockoffs do not incorporate our important floating protective ash pan. You should not need a feed port on a small wood gas stove if using appropriate fuel. The pot support gap is too elevated for efficiency on the Lixada for maximizing heat transfer. It is a marketing gimmick. The big picture these are uninsulated trekking stoves, not intended as outdoor kitchen stoves. The combustion chamber volume is more than adequate as your video demonstrated heating small volumes of water for beverages, soups, ramen, and other trail food, for on the go applications. Dense hardwoods or pellets can significantly extend burn times if desired, however extended cooking is better performed on insulated biomass stoves. Charcoal is never recommended due to methane pollution and premature stove failure (metal fatigue). Small wood gas stoves are uninsulated intentionally to cool quickly on the trail. Insulated stoves allow for significantly longer burn times and are designed for real outdoor cooking and large water volume heating. SilverFire Stoves & Cookware.
Hello and thank you for watching my videos and commenting. You make many excellent points regarding the proper role of woodgas stoves. I am intrigued with your comment on using charcoal. Are you saying the heat generated is higher than with wood and is the cause of the metal failure? At some point I would very much like to test and review a SilverFire Scout as well as one of the Rocket Stoves. By the way, I did end up melting the aluminum crossbars and have since been using bars made from stainless steel rulers.
@@MarkYoungBushcraft Yes Mark. Charcoal and coal are not designed for these stoves due to premature combustion chamber failure (all stove metal fails over time and charcoal and coal accelerate it). Cast iron fails first, followed by mild steel, followed by stainless steel in stove construction. Refractory stainless steel ensures longer stove life, however, the cost is significantly higher. The rocket stove and wood gas stoves were designed for biomass to reduce illegal charcoal production since charcoal produces tremendous amounts of methane (40 times worse than CO2) during production and is released a 2nd time when cooking. Charcoal production is linked to deforestation and erosion, however, due to lack of jobs, illegal charcoal production continues globally. In the 3rd world, during night time illegal charcoal production under tarps folks cut down the entire tree and the yield of charcoal fuel is only 30%. In locations where solid fuel is required to sanitize every drop of water they drink to stay alive and cook, the small biomass scrub they are stepping on at night sneaking around to make illegal charcoal was viable to cook with, without cutting down entire trees. That's why the rocket stove and wood gas biomass stoves were developed. The design outcome was to minimize fuel use, emissions, and maximize heat transfer into the cooking vessels. In an emergency or to sanitize water take a Weber charcoal grill and place a large volume of water (5 liters or greater) and place it on the grill. Even though the temperature of the fire on the grate below the grill is hotter than the wood fire, the pot will never come to a boil due to lack of heat transfer. The rocket stove was designed to maximize heat transfer with low mass insulation (key design and heat transfer principle) and force the flames lick the pot (increasing surface area and maintain velocity, allowing just a few pencil-sized diameter twigs to accomplish this benchmark. What has confused reviewers and consumers is unscrupulous marketers of stoves like EcoZoom who have promoted the Versa stove (it was the StoveTec 2 door stove sold with a charcoal grate) as a duel use wood and charcoal burning stove design hijacked from StoveTec by EcoZoom MBA's to promote dual fuel use. The stove was designed by Damon Ogle, not EcoZoom. The actual intent of this stove design was to teach uneducated folks that primarily only cooked with charcoal, was to teach them how to use biomass to prevent the extensive environmental damage and pollution caused by charcoal production. There is no significant difference between the wood gas stove designs in terms of gasification and performance outside a lab setting. The real differences are the pot support designs and type of stainless steel used in these low-cost uninsulated trekking stoves. The Solo beat us to the market by a few months while we finished our rocket stove design and introduced the feed slot in their fixed combustion chamber design with refractory wire for a grate. The design did not allow enough depth for adequate fuel volume and had to be fed continuously. That top slot was then copied by other Chinese wood gas stove makers, however, it decreased heat transfer by increasing distance to the cooking vessel. The feed slot is not required in modular wood gas stoves, since the design allows 3 - 4 times more fuel than the original Solo model for on the go trekking stove use. The Solo Titan was introduced due to the fuel limitations of the original model most would assume. The small modular wood gas stoves were never designed for long-duration cooking is the point. Larger insulated wood gas and insulated rocket stove options are available for those tasks. Unfortunately, we are the only modular wood gas stove design using a protective ash & ember plate below the stove which reflects more heat transfer into the combustion chamber and catches live embers increasing safety during use. It is an important design feature. Stoves without ash pans significantly increase the chance for forest fires. Good cooking! SilverFire Stoves & Cookware.
@@SilverFireStoves Wow. Thank you Todd for your very detailed and informative response. I am truly interested in learning more about stove design and the knowledge you have shared has helped tremendously. Are their publicly available books or other documents that I would be able to access to further my learning? My hope is to be able to purchase of one or more of your stoves so I can test and review them
@@MarkYoungBushcraft There are numerous important resources available. Here is an early beginning paper that resulted in a book to refer to on this subject. Copy & paste this link: blog.newdawnengineering.com/website/library/Papers+Articles/Biomass%20Stoves,%20Engineering%20Design,%20Development%20and%20Dissemination,%20Samuel%20Baldwin%201987.pdf Ironically Big Oil funded lots of published work in the stove sector where important humanitarian work started, followed by oil participation, carbon credits, political mischief, payoffs, and stoves dissemination benefited politicians in exchange for oil extraction across the globe. Unfortunately, the folks at the bottom of the pyramid continue to suffer from low-quality stoves designs and indoor air pollution and environmental degradation, while folks at the top of the pyramid have benefitted greatly. You are entering into an arena of special interests, corruption, and political chaos that continues today.
Nice video sir. Have you tried the Silverfire Scout (304SS)? It's a pricey but well made gasifier twig/pellet stove. Add their "Dragon pot," again pricey but very efficient. Not budget kit but excellent quality, design, etc. I also like Firebox's stoves: multiple fuel choices, twigs, pellets, or alcohol. (I have a Trangia.) They're compact, but the 5" one may be heavier than some backpackers would like. The little one fits in a shirt pocket. P.S. Got the pellet idea from you. Thanks. At some otherwise nice camping spots, twigs are not available; pellets are easy to carry and require no "processing."
I would love to own the Silverfire Scout but the price is out of my budget. It is the reason I ended up with the Lixada. The Drogon pot looks great as well. Would love to test that out. I do have the Firebox and will be comparing that with a few stoves. Glad you like using the pellets. Thanks for commenting
Hi Mark I like your videos how about the "UCO Flatpack Portable Stainless Steel Grill Fire Pit" is it good for wood pellets or charcoal it should be good for grilling but what about boiling water not certain about hiking but i mostly want it for motorcycle camping and the fact that you can do 2 things at once . Got to have my toast and coffee in the morning. Cheers.
Great suggestion. I have the small version of the UCO Flatpack stove. I have to test it out some more but will be sure to compare it at some point. Thanks for commenting
Greetings from Germany! This was a really good performed comparison! I am looking forward to building a Hobo by myself. Which pot did you use with your Ikea Hobo? A sidenote: I also use diy firestarters from cotton pads. If the melted wax is mixed with 10% lamp oil, the firestarters can be ignited very easily with just a spark for example.
Glad you liked the video. The pot is one I picked up at a local thrift store for very little money. I felt it matched the idea of a DIY combination. Your firestarters sound great. Thanks for commenting
Mark, A very nice job explaining how and why you have designed the test to compare the stoves.And a great video! Would you consider making a video on how you create your Fire Starter cotton pads with wax? Thank You!😎
I fixed the link and have released the video today. I have the Firebox 5: but only the smaller Bushbox LF. If IO can get my hands on an XL that is two stoves I have long wanted to compare. Thanks for commenting
Do you know that there are "IKEA stoves" in Europe with 9 holes instead of 6. So the cylinder is higher. The other dimensions remain the same. I don't know if it's an interest? And I found a skimmer whose diameter corresponds exactly to the diameter of the IKEA stove. This can be interesting for burning pellets.
Interesting test Mark. I have these two wood stoves also - what I have found is that in use out in the woods, the woodgas stove just misbehaves more, esp. when cold, with even slightly damp wood - the flame will actually go out, smoke like hell, then re-light, whereas the Ikea just smokes a bit more than usual but doesn't keep extinguishing itself. So I do have to make sure I am finding really dry wood for the woodgas - carving off the outer damp layers if needs be. As you say though, it's quite hard to compare one stove with the other - it depends on so many factors.... I should add that these wood gas stoves work very well (and almost smokeless) once warmed up after 2 mins - the fire basket will burn through after several uses though, as it is very thin and not the best stainless steel.Cheers, Dave in the UK.
I agree with your observations. Hard to find the prefect stove that works well with all types of wood. I often carry wood pellets for the wood gas stove for when I can't find dry wood. They works amazing. Thanks for commenting
@@swassige I cut steel coffee container to fit in the inside of the stove, the with enough space for for the bottom to get air.drilled holes to match the top of stove. I use tent pegs to hold up my Stanley adventure cup. My feed pot is also located more towards the top as oppossed to the bottom. The feet are picture frame stabilizers. This is heavily modified, compared to what everyone else is doing.
Ok first tyvm for your video. 1st: If your comparing "stoves" should you not exclude your personal preferences and just compare the stoves and not your personal cook sets? 2nd: if you want a fair and unbiased comparison should you also use the same type pot for each stove? Even if its one you would not actually take with you. Again its a "stove" comparison not a pot comparison. By adding additional variables in your demonstration it seams you are altering the results. This one is good for group that one is good for solo. It appears, mind you I say appears, you have done an apples to oranges comparison and not an apples to apples comparison. If you take my poorly written meaning. And lastly I have watchs some of your other videos, as youtube has let me see them and hope to see more. Thank you.
You may well be correct. Using the same amount of wood was an attempt to even out the variables between the two stoves. In reality, the Ikea hobo stove has so much more volume had I loaded it to the max it may have slowed the initial burn down some and would likely have lasted much longer than the Lixada. In my more recent tests I load out the stoves to their max to give a better idea of capability. I also have videos on both stoves individually for even more information on the individual stoves. Thanks for commenting
3:47 I already hate the first stove. Its supposed to be convenient but is inconvenient by not having a door to add wood. You would have to take off the cooking pot and add wood down the center, which would then prompt me to save the money and just make a damn camp fire or a Dakota hole.
I realized after I released this video that I had forgotten to show how to use an alcohol stove like the Trangia with both the Ikea Hobo and Lixada wood-gas stoves. Here is a link to my follow-up video ruclips.net/video/efMnUPco2CY/видео.html
Good job Mark.... Yesterday my wife and I were shore fishing and had our Tomshoo gasification stove with us and I had some wood pellets with me for the first time. Thanks to one of your videos. We are so impressed. We cooked hot dogs over it and enjoyed a shore lunch with minimum effort.... Pellets rock.....
Great story. Glad I was of help. So you didn't find the fire too hot to cook the hot dogs over? Thanks for commenting
We used sticks to hold them above the flame......Worked great.
Another great review...even when I don’t need the item I always learn something...and watch it through. Again...you’re a natural, like you’ve been doing this for everrrr! Thnx👍👏🤝
Thank you for your kind words. Funny thing is I did not feel it was a clean a presentation as I had hoped. Glad it was watchable. Thanks for commenting
Thanks for the video, this is the first video I've seen on a gasification stove by someone that understands how they're supposed to work.
I am glad you found the video helpful. Thanks for commenting
I have the Lixada and have used it for beach camping a couple of weeks each year the past 3 years. I love it. I don't worry about how much wood I can initially load because I load throughout the burn (collect a bag of twigs before using). I like the size, packability, price ($13 on taobao), and ease of finding fuel. Love watching the blue flame of the secondary gas jets.
Right on. I agree, after the initial load of wood burns through I just sit and feed it a bit at a time. Often, my first full load is all I need unless doing a lot of cooking. Thanks for commenting
I fitted a large coffee can inside my ikea stove to help block some wind and stretch the fuel out longer.
Love the channel 😊 Greetings from Scotland.
Right on. Great mod. I have a newer video where I turned the Ikea hobo into a rocket stove if you are interested. Thanks from New Scotland😉
Very professional video with tight editing. It gets to the heart of the matter/review, covers all the bases, but wastes no time with waffle. Great style.
I am still very amateur at film making and know my videos are quite long so I try not to wast my viewers time. Thanks for commenting
@@MarkYoungBushcraft I have been watching a lot of stove reviews over the past few days, and keep finding myself thinking, 'get on with it man'. Your videos are not the shortest, but you pack in a lot of useful information in the time. I have been happy to watch more of your videos today.
Addendum. Unlike other reviewers, you also know how to pack the fuel into the stoves.
I also have a collection of small wood stoves. I don't backpack, but do car camp and canoe camp. During the summer months I cook almost exclusively outdoors with my wood stoves. My current favorite is the Solo Campfire. It will burn long enough to leave it while I work in the garden, prepare the food I'm cooking, or answer the phone. It works fine for canning tomatoes and any other chore that requires the stove to keep going for hours. I'd like to see you compare the Solo Campfire to other stoves, the Ikea being of similar size.
It is amazing how you can go to a heavily used campsite late in the season and still find plenty of wood to cook with within a few feet of where you set up your kitchen.
The Solo Campfire looks like a great stove. If I can get my hands on one I would love to add it to my list of videos. Thanks for commenting
I have not yet made a hobo stove. When looking for a gasifier I went with a Tomshoo. It had the best price at the time, and it looks almost identical to the Lixada. For the cost these little stoves are great. I'm not as handy as you and lack the tools to make things, so I purchased crossbars. Now I just need to get to cutting on the tin cans. I saved some B&M brown bread cans that I was able to remove the bread from without opening both ends. I enjoy your comparison videos.
I expect the Tomshoo stove is identical. I have a few Tomshoo items and the quality is equal to Lixada and other Chinese brands. Enjoy your DIY projects. They can be fun and a bit addictive. Thanks for commenting
Thank you for the comparison, both are in my eyes good stoves, for backpacking i use the lixada with trangia option, my 1st use for the ikea is for making fire protected and with less smoke, also for heating a shelter with wood or charcoals
I have not mentioned the value of using the Ikea as space heater yet but with charcoal it would be amazing I am sure. Thanks for commenting
Love how you carry the package of wood chips. Lots of people carry treats for their dog, but carrying wood chips for your pet beaver must be a Canadian thing. ;-)
Actually, I take the chips from the beavers as they work on a tree. Tricky business. They can be really protective of their chips😆. Thanks for commenting John
pay them with poutine and they'll gnaw away so hard that a rooster tail of wood chips will fly
@@MarkYoungBushcraft Yes, i do the same thing 😆
Just bought 2 IKEA containers, next will put some little feet on them and try out with pellets first , later some lump charcoal. Thanks for the suggestions! Love them all. I also have a Solo Campfire stove that I LOVE having fun with that!
Glad you are having fun with the Ikea. I am getting ready to make an update video with my latest modifications. Thanks for commenting
This is so cool...er... hot! My take-away is that either stove can bring 2 cups of water to a boil before I can set up my hammock and tarp!! I'll continue using my Ikea, and drop hints about the Lixada around B-day and Fathers day! Great video Mark!
I like the way you think. That is how I got most of my gear...as presents. Thanks for commenting
Size & weight (stove&pot) are my key decision factors, so I've ended up with a solo stove & 900ml pot.
That set is expensive!
I also own and use the lixada stove and a zebra pot. The lixada only comes along when I cook food for 2 or more people.
Thanks for the presentation. Your comparisons and usage reports are always apreciated.
The Solo set up is sweet. I have it as well and will be comparing it with a news stove I have not shown yet. Is the Zebra pot the 14cm? I don't have that size but I understand the Lixada will fit inside. Thanks for commenting
Nice Mark, I have both love both, but at the end of the day the Ikea stove is usually the one I take when I'm going on an over nighter. You just can't go wrong with the Ikea stove at any price!
I agree totally, Pretty much why I wanted to start the series with this stove. Thanks for commenting
I think you did a good job.
I'm planing on making one out of soup and bean cans lol
Thank you for ur time in this test😇
Most welcome. Thanks for commenting
Really enjoying your content Mark, I hope you're well.
The IKEA stove was a great inspiration to upcycle and make my own stove, something I've taken a lot of pride in. I love the idea of using the half saddle clips for feet, something which I'm going to implement very soon before my next hike.
Thanks again for the great inspiring ideas and also for the great comparative work too.
Best
Kris
Edinburgh, Scotland
I am doing great. Will be back to making videos soon. Glad you found the video inspiring. Thanks for commenting
Mark, I had to laugh when you mentioned building crossbars out of aluminum stock. I built a hobo stove out of my charcoal lighter which uses newspaper. On it I carefully made a set of crossbars out of thick aluminum. On my first burn, they melted! I hope you have better luck with yours than I had with mine. Looking forward to more of your stove tests.
The charcoal lighter is like a volcano when it comes to heat. I think I could use it as a forge. Fortunately, the Ikea does not get anywhere as hot. Thanks for commenting
Both great stoves and affordable too. The Lexada is impressive in its efficiency. For the money I’ll likely lean towards the ikea. It can start with more fuel and go to a boil quicker. I’m not too concerned with avoiding a little smoke in my camping situations. Thank you for sharing your comparison test. Great product review.
Hard to go wrong with the Ikea. Thanks for commenting
Thanks for making this video. I watched simply because it made me think of my Dad, not sure why. I miss him Blessing to you
My dad is gone 30 years and I still miss him. Thanks for commenting
These side by side comparisons are cool. It's tough to beat the price of the Ikea stove for the money but the Lixada is a winner too! Take care bud!
Hey Wade. I am hoping people find these comparisons helpful. I get a good number of questions along these lines. Thanks for commenting
Loved your side by side comparison, Great set up they are, Thanks Mark ! ATB T God Bless
Glad you enjoyed the video. Thanks for commenting Terry
Wow Mark you could have a college course on stoves... Another Great video TY!
LOL...I don't know bill...still so much to learn
Thanks for the video, I'm currently using 2 of the taller Ikea strainers. One set up for wood-no cut out I just feed from the top. The other set up for a jet boil style unit with a cut out on the side so as to use the gas control. Both work well.
Very interesting idea about using a strainer as a JetBoil style set up. I just picked up two of the taller strainers but have not made anything from them yet. Your idea gives me inspiration. Thanks for commenting
I didn't mention the main difference with mine is that I use 3 65x65 mm right angle brackets as feet for greater stability. They are attached with 1/4 inch bolts through the bottom holes.
i had lots of stoves from bushbuddy to lixada wood gas stoves but the best that i had was the ikea. It so versatile in terms of fuel and you can transform it in such many ways :)
I agree. It is still the best bang for buck out there. Thanks for commenting
@@MarkYoungBushcraft so True
Nice comparison Mark, thanks for posting.
Glad you enjoyed the video. Thanks for commenting
Another entertaining and informative video....as always, thank you Mark! Keep them coming....
Glad you enjoyed the video. More of this type of video on the way. Thanks for commenting
Excellent idea and a great video! Thanks! In my experience woodgas stoves burn too fiercely for cooking ... they're best for boiling water quickly. If you want more control over the heat produced the other styles are more flexible.
I recommend using a 22 cm vegetable steamer basket for your fire, with a free standing grill over it to support the pots. You then have the feeling of cooking over a camp fire but without leaving any scars.
Interested to read everyone else's thoughts!
Greetings from the UK ;)
I agree with the limitations on wood gas stoves. I have a video where I talk about that very issue. I also have a video on the vegetable steamer as a stove and will include it in these test videos at some point. Thanks for commenting
Mark Young I have absolutely no idea how I overlooked your earlier videos using the veg steamer!! Just watched them both ... excellent as always. And I agree with your comments. For me it’s all about fun ... and the veg steamer setup is just more fun than the various twig stoves that are available. Best wishes!
I have the Lixada and love the way it stores pretty small.
I agree. It is light weight, compact and efficient. especially for the money. Thanks for commenting
Thanks Mark.
Very helpful.
Am I right in thinking the Tomshoo and lixada stoves are different stoves but very similar in design and cost. Both cheap but efficient makes from China. I have the Tomshoo and it works great.
I have seen at least 5 or 6 different brandings of the same stove. They are all close copies of the Sliverfire Scout. There are a few that are larger so make sure you have the right size if you plan on carrying it in the MSR 775ml pot. Hope this helps. Thanks for commenting
What a well done comparison Mark , and I have found also that most wood stoves are fun to use. I have made the Hobo, as per your plans, and I also have the Lixada gasifier. In the winter I would prefer to use the hobo because of the wood capacity and also something that I have found quite enjoyable is the amount of radiated heat that the hobo kicks out.. Of all my wood stoves the hobo keeps me warmer in cold weather. Looking forward to your future comparisons.. Will there be an ultimate winner.. ? Will stay tuned.
Hard to beat the Ikea. That's the reason I stated with it. The heat generation is a con to some people who see it as wasted energy. It is appreciated in winter of course. Thanks for commenting John
Hey Mark, that's a very detailed video.
The lixada stoves are one of the most reasonably priced wood gasifier stoves . I have six of them. Also I have just made and uploaded (after a hiatus of four years) two videos (one is a short edited version) comparing two Chinese alcohol stoves, one stainless steel and the other a brass stove.
Please do take a look at it and also share it.
Atb,
The Solo Hiker....
I watched your video and subbed your channel. Looking forward to great things
Try seeing how long you can cook with 1 kilogram of wood available for each stove. That way you can fill it any way you like and add wood at any pace, until all the fuel is finished. This mimics what happens on a hike when you only get one good branch to burn.
Interesting idea. I will consider it. Thanks for commenting
I love this video! I've been using my Ikea hobo stove, in a slightly different configuration, but I was shopping around for a similar gasifier stove and now I'm wondering if I should bother. I'm subscribed and looking forward to more of your videos.
Glad you liked the video. I am trying out a few different easy mods to see if I can improve on the performance of the Ikea without adding a lot of weight. Thanks for commenting
I enjoyed this comparison and the information provided.
I'd like to see your take on the best bargain (not necessarily cheapest in price) combination sets of wood stove (folding or gasification) and alcohol stove. And, as Dr. Dan said below, the link provided in the above notes does not take one to the referenced video.
Hey Bruce. Yes I had the wrong link in the description. It is fixed now. Great suggestion for a future video. I will see what I can come up with. Thanks for commenting
I love my Lixada stove,i have an older version with the fold down potholders.The best fuel that i have found by far is wood pellet cat litter.One filling burns for arond 1 hr.enough time to cook a meal and boil some water for a brew of coffee/tea.I often use a trangia spirit burner in the stove to make a quick brew.
Right on. I agree both the pellets and the alcohol stoves work great. Especially when all the wood around is wet or I just want my coffee now. Thanks for commenting
How about a 2020 update on the IKEA hobo stove, maybe some “mods” that we can see/do to them. 🙏🏽
Great timing. I am working on exactly that right now. Hope to have it ready in a couple of weeks. Stay tuned
Mark, thanks for sharing always well done and informative. Atb
Glad you enjoyed the video. Thanks for commenting
What stuff sack are you using? I’m trying to find one that fits my ikea stove. Thanks for your help!
I make my own. I have a video on how to make them if interested. Thanks for commenting
excellent comparison test. cheers from Montreal QC
Hi Jeff. Watched you videos way back. Thanks for commenting
Curious if the IKEA was loaded full with a bit larger piece in the centre how would it differ? Good video.
There are a good number of variations for this stove. I have tried little sticks up to one large piece split into four (Swedish Fire Log). All work a bit differently. Thanks for commenting
Nice reality test 👍
Glad you liked it. Thanks for commenting
to maximaize the room of the ikea i put my alcohol stoves inside of my ikea hobo stove :) , becouse i dont have such tall pots , cheers Mark :)
Right on. It is all about finding the right combination. Thanks for commenting
great Comparison, well done
Thank you very much
That was an interesting video, thanks. I would argue that the Lixada is bulkier than the Ikea. Yes when stored in the MSR pot it takes up less volume but what useful storage space is left inside? Not a lot. Compare that to the Ikea where the whole volume of the stove is useful storage space. As the wasted volume in the Lixada setup is greater than the wasted volume in the Ikea setup it is, in my opinion, bulkier. To me something is bulky if it wastes space in my bag. All the best.
What you say is right on. About the only thing I can pack inside the current setup is an alcohol stove. Now, if you carry a larger pot like the 14cm Zebra, the Lixada will fit inside with space to spare. Then it becomes more reasonable. Thanks for commenting
Very nice idea to compare some of your stoves Mark. What about the IKEA hobo Vs the Lixada "Little Bug inspired" one? Some similarities in design due to their barrel shape, this could be interesting. Thanks for the great work!
I had not thought of that comparison. I will add it to my list. Thanks for commenting
When considering the cost of the stoves, it would be fair to consider the time you put in making the Ikea stove and put a dollar value on that time. Even if it was only 30 minutes, what is the value of your 30 minutes of labor. $20 for a pre-made, efficient burning stove is s no-brainer to me That said, those who like to build their own stuff may fond it more rewarding to go with the home-built stove. Great review none-the-less.
All good points to think about. Thanks for commenting
Nice video! Maybe you could compare wood stoves vs alcohol stoves and the pros and cons of each. I have to admit that I usually cook with alcohol stoves because I don’t like the soot on the pot, but also enjoy a wood fire and use a Solo Stove “Campfire” model.
Solo Campfire is a cool looking stove. Would love to try it out. I may have to start using my alcohol stoves as we are entering fire ban season. Thanks for commenting
I think my Lixada had a small tray inside you can also use with a fuel tablet(s) or make a alcohol stove to use with it (using an old beer can) which makes it very versatile to just make a little hot water. Also if you put the Lixada in the bottom of a Zebra billy pot of the same diameter you would get bigger capacity and still have room inside for the food and so on.
I failed to mention the small bowl probably because I am not a big fan of hexamine tablets. I have used the bowl with gel alcohol and that works okay. You are right on about the stove fitting in the 14cm Zebra. It will also fit inside the Pathfinder Bush Pot and the Three-Dog Stove Mors Pot. I have the Solo Titan & 1800ml pot and the Lixada fits in that pot as well. I have a video where I talk about this versatility of the stove. Thanks for commenting
Pierogi is like we have in Poland :) cheers Mark
I love pierogis as well. Thanks for commenting
Merci beaucoup / thanks a lot for the detailed review and comparisons! Really appreciated
You are most welcome. Thank you for commenting
Could you do a comparison between the Lixada and the Kelly Kettle? I think that would be an interesting "apples to oranges" match up. Thanks for sharing! I purchased a Canway version of the Lexada from Amazon for $20 USD after watching one of your videos. I had always been interested in the Bush Buddy, but I couldn't pay that price for it.
Interesting comparison. I had not thought of that combination. I will see what I can do. Thanks for commenting
@@MarkYoungBushcraft Thank you!
Great comparison video. I own the Lixada and also have a collection of homemade (hobo?) stoves as well as stoves that were gifts. I find that I use the biofuel stoves more than alcohol or gas stoves. I feel like I’m keeping trails and campsites cleaner (clearer?) by using biofuel. I’m wondering when someone will make one of these wood gasification stoves in titanium.
I have found a few other piece together wood gas stoves but they are not common. Look for the Core Reactor 5 wood stove. It has a wood gas element to it and is made in titanium. Looks rather complex but still interesting. Thanks for commenting
oh...and I just remembered. Toaks has a titanium wood gas stove..hmm...wonder if I can justify buying that one
Mark Young Thank you for your response, for all your great videos and for letting me know about the Toaks stove. After checking I found there’re two sizes and both are much lighter than the Lixada. How have I missed this? Lol As far as justification for getting another stove I have a couple of suggestions for you: I have a “fun fund” (just for more costly things I’ve found I believe I’d like) that I budget for each week. Delayed gratification is a good thing. Another option for you, due to having a RUclips channel, is to contact Toaks for a sample to review. I may not have suggested anything new to you but I hope I’ve helped. I know you’ve helped me.
#10 can vs Lixada i have the #10 can rigged up very similar to your Ikea
Interesting idea. I have not played with can based stoves in a long while. I'll see what I can come up with. Thanks for commenting
Do you think it would be better to light the fire from the bottom through the window made in the IKEA stove?
I use both bottom lit as well as top lit. The advantage of top lit is that I can fill the stove before I begin and let it burn through. The advantage of bottom lit is I can put in as much or as little as I want to control the flame. Both work. Thanks for commenting
Good experiment. Thanks
Glad you enjoyed the video. Thanks for commenting
Good job. I wonder if the Ikea was stacked tighter (which you didn't do in order to keep the amount of fuel the same) would it burn slower, and thus be a little more efficient. I guess you must have tried that. Of course, something like the Ikea stove can be made from any size of food can for much less weight just by putting some holes in the sides and bottom and attaching some feet and a riser. It's basically just a hobo stove. Not stainless steel, so won't last as long, but who cares? Wow, did you say it boiled 2 cups in 2 minutes!? That's quite a record.
I have loaded the Ikea as tightly as I could and found it is more difficult to get the burn going as air flow is reduced. There is a balance as to how much wood to use. In truth, the Ikea has too much airflow from all sides causing it to burn very quick and very hot. I am experimenting with simple ways to slow the burn with the hope of making it more efficient. Thanks for commenting
another nice video thanks
Thanks for commenting
Nice1 TY 4 sharing this !
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Nice job thanks. Cheers 👍🇨🇦
Glad you liked it. Thanks for commenting
Humbly, to me this comparison misses the most serious weak points of those 2 stoves. I live in a very humid and windy area. Ikea stoves have too many holes, most flames & heat are lost horizontally. Woodgas stoves really struggle, due to limited air flow, with damp wood. In my environment by far the best performing stove is a Firebox, although it's also the most heavy option. But thx for the video, interesting to see how results vary depending on conditions...
I agree totally with you. We have a good amount of wet windy days that make using either of these stoves a challenge. I also agree that the Firebox is easier to use in these conditions. I find the Firebox the best stove for winter time where wood is often wet and frozen. I will talk about that point when I compare the Firebox. Thanks for commenting
And then I recently bought a Firebox nano. Still trying to find out how to get it to work in my environment; so far it bevaves like a woodgas stove - making my presence known, visually.
I think digging a hole in the ground or using a windscreen plus use of firestarter will solve your problem. And perhaps much smaller diameter wood, which even if damp quickly dries when adjacent to the lit firestarter.
Thank you! I answered my question!
Great. Glad you found the video helpful
Hi Mark, this test was really "well" organized! Not far away from "Made in Germany" Test-Standards in earlier times!
I've already copied your idea about the IKEA stove and for me there is further big advantage in using this one instead of
normal wood gas stoves! Because by sticking 2 or 3 Barbecue iron bars through the different existing holes, I can also
use it with my alcohol burner resp. my Trangia. The high of the burner can be fixed as I need it.
Thanks again for your "fruitful suistanable" homemade engineering! 👍🙋
Best regards
Uwe
You read my mind. I realized I forgot about the alcohol stove after I released the video so I made a follow-up. Thanks for commenting
Mark I pack pellets in my stoves
I have A little stove that burns for
3 hour's
Pellets are great. Thanks Jim
Apple to orange comparison. Using the windscreen significantly impacted the Ikea performance (primary combustion only design, dirtier burning, DIY stove). The Ikea DIY unit performed well though with the aid of the windscreen. FYI: The DIY aluminum pot supports a bad idea due to the lower melting temperature of aluminum and the higher temperature of the woodstove flame. Your asking for trouble with an extended burn time.
Both stoves have significant safety issues with no ash pan to catch hot embers falling below the combustion chamber floor as with our SilverFire Scout wood gas stove. Unfortunately, most Chinese wood gas stoves knockoffs do not incorporate our important floating protective ash pan. You should not need a feed port on a small wood gas stove if using appropriate fuel. The pot support gap is too elevated for efficiency on the Lixada for maximizing heat transfer. It is a marketing gimmick.
The big picture these are uninsulated trekking stoves, not intended as outdoor kitchen stoves. The combustion chamber volume is more than adequate as your video demonstrated heating small volumes of water for beverages, soups, ramen, and other trail food, for on the go applications.
Dense hardwoods or pellets can significantly extend burn times if desired, however extended cooking is better performed on insulated biomass stoves. Charcoal is never recommended due to methane pollution and premature stove failure (metal fatigue). Small wood gas stoves are uninsulated intentionally to cool quickly on the trail. Insulated stoves allow for significantly longer burn times and are designed for real outdoor cooking and large water volume heating.
SilverFire Stoves & Cookware.
Hello and thank you for watching my videos and commenting. You make many excellent points regarding the proper role of woodgas stoves. I am intrigued with your comment on using charcoal. Are you saying the heat generated is higher than with wood and is the cause of the metal failure? At some point I would very much like to test and review a SilverFire Scout as well as one of the Rocket Stoves. By the way, I did end up melting the aluminum crossbars and have since been using bars made from stainless steel rulers.
@@MarkYoungBushcraft Yes Mark. Charcoal and coal are not designed for these stoves due to premature combustion chamber failure (all stove metal fails over time and charcoal and coal accelerate it). Cast iron fails first, followed by mild steel, followed by stainless steel in stove construction. Refractory stainless steel ensures longer stove life, however, the cost is significantly higher. The rocket stove and wood gas stoves were designed for biomass to reduce illegal charcoal production since charcoal produces tremendous amounts of methane (40 times worse than CO2) during production and is released a 2nd time when cooking. Charcoal production is linked to deforestation and erosion, however, due to lack of jobs, illegal charcoal production continues globally.
In the 3rd world, during night time illegal charcoal production under tarps folks cut down the entire tree and the yield of charcoal fuel is only 30%. In locations where solid fuel is required to sanitize every drop of water they drink to stay alive and cook, the small biomass scrub they are stepping on at night sneaking around to make illegal charcoal was viable to cook with, without cutting down entire trees. That's why the rocket stove and wood gas biomass stoves were developed. The design outcome was to minimize fuel use, emissions, and maximize heat transfer into the cooking vessels.
In an emergency or to sanitize water take a Weber charcoal grill and place a large volume of water (5 liters or greater) and place it on the grill. Even though the temperature of the fire on the grate below the grill is hotter than the wood fire, the pot will never come to a boil due to lack of heat transfer. The rocket stove was designed to maximize heat transfer with low mass insulation (key design and heat transfer principle) and force the flames lick the pot (increasing surface area and maintain velocity, allowing just a few pencil-sized diameter twigs to accomplish this benchmark. What has confused reviewers and consumers is unscrupulous marketers of stoves like EcoZoom who have promoted the Versa stove (it was the StoveTec 2 door stove sold with a charcoal grate) as a duel use wood and charcoal burning stove design hijacked from StoveTec by EcoZoom MBA's to promote dual fuel use. The stove was designed by Damon Ogle, not EcoZoom. The actual intent of this stove design was to teach uneducated folks that primarily only cooked with charcoal, was to teach them how to use biomass to prevent the extensive environmental damage and pollution caused by charcoal production.
There is no significant difference between the wood gas stove designs in terms of gasification and performance outside a lab setting. The real differences are the pot support designs and type of stainless steel used in these low-cost uninsulated trekking stoves. The Solo beat us to the market by a few months while we finished our rocket stove design and introduced the feed slot in their fixed combustion chamber design with refractory wire for a grate. The design did not allow enough depth for adequate fuel volume and had to be fed continuously. That top slot was then copied by other Chinese wood gas stove makers, however, it decreased heat transfer by increasing distance to the cooking vessel.
The feed slot is not required in modular wood gas stoves, since the design allows 3 - 4 times more fuel than the original Solo model for on the go trekking stove use. The Solo Titan was introduced due to the fuel limitations of the original model most would assume. The small modular wood gas stoves were never designed for long-duration cooking is the point. Larger insulated wood gas and insulated rocket stove options are available for those tasks. Unfortunately, we are the only modular wood gas stove design using a protective ash & ember plate below the stove which reflects more heat transfer into the combustion chamber and catches live embers increasing safety during use. It is an important design feature. Stoves without ash pans significantly increase the chance for forest fires. Good cooking!
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@@SilverFireStoves Wow. Thank you Todd for your very detailed and informative response. I am truly interested in learning more about stove design and the knowledge you have shared has helped tremendously. Are their publicly available books or other documents that I would be able to access to further my learning? My hope is to be able to purchase of one or more of your stoves so I can test and review them
@@MarkYoungBushcraft There are numerous important resources available. Here is an early beginning paper that resulted in a book to refer to on this subject. Copy & paste this link: blog.newdawnengineering.com/website/library/Papers+Articles/Biomass%20Stoves,%20Engineering%20Design,%20Development%20and%20Dissemination,%20Samuel%20Baldwin%201987.pdf
Ironically Big Oil funded lots of published work in the stove sector where important humanitarian work started, followed by oil participation, carbon credits, political mischief, payoffs, and stoves dissemination benefited politicians in exchange for oil extraction across the globe. Unfortunately, the folks at the bottom of the pyramid continue to suffer from low-quality stoves designs and indoor air pollution and environmental degradation, while folks at the top of the pyramid have benefitted greatly. You are entering into an arena of special interests, corruption, and political chaos that continues today.
Nice video sir. Have you tried the Silverfire Scout (304SS)? It's a pricey but well made gasifier twig/pellet stove. Add their "Dragon pot," again pricey but very efficient. Not budget kit but excellent quality, design, etc. I also like Firebox's stoves: multiple fuel choices, twigs, pellets, or alcohol. (I have a Trangia.) They're compact, but the 5" one may be heavier than some backpackers would like. The little one fits in a shirt pocket.
P.S. Got the pellet idea from you. Thanks. At some otherwise nice camping spots, twigs are not available; pellets are easy to carry and require no "processing."
I would love to own the Silverfire Scout but the price is out of my budget. It is the reason I ended up with the Lixada. The Drogon pot looks great as well. Would love to test that out. I do have the Firebox and will be comparing that with a few stoves. Glad you like using the pellets. Thanks for commenting
Hi Mark I like your videos
how about the "UCO Flatpack Portable Stainless Steel Grill Fire Pit" is it good for wood pellets or charcoal it should be good for grilling but what about boiling water not certain about hiking but i mostly want it for motorcycle camping and the fact that you can do 2 things at once .
Got to have my toast and coffee in the morning. Cheers.
Great suggestion. I have the small version of the UCO Flatpack stove. I have to test it out some more but will be sure to compare it at some point. Thanks for commenting
nice video. very helpful. thank you sir.
Glad you liked it. Thanks for commenting
Greetings from Germany!
This was a really good performed comparison! I am looking forward to building a Hobo by myself. Which pot did you use with your Ikea Hobo?
A sidenote: I also use diy firestarters from cotton pads. If the melted wax is mixed with 10% lamp oil, the firestarters can be ignited very easily with just a spark for example.
Glad you liked the video. The pot is one I picked up at a local thrift store for very little money. I felt it matched the idea of a DIY combination. Your firestarters sound great. Thanks for commenting
Mark, do you have a background in broadcasting? You've got the golden voice!!
Thank you for your kind words...No broadcasting but I have done a fair amount of teaching and presenting over the years
Mark,
A very nice job explaining how and why you have designed the test to compare the stoves.And a great video!
Would you consider making a video on how you create your Fire Starter cotton pads with wax?
Thank You!😎
I think I could add that to the list. Thanks for commenting
I have the same Ohuhu wind shield.
Courtesy of Half Vast Flying
Thanks for commenting
would wrapping a portion of the ikea with aluminum foil help gasification
I have been experimenting with that idea but if you watch my latest video I am not sure it would result in true gassification. Thanks for commenting
5” Firebox stove vs. Bushbox XL. ?
Either I’m youtube illiterate or that link to your alcohol stove isn’t working right
Yep, the link just brings me back to this video.
I fixed the link and have released the video today. I have the Firebox 5: but only the smaller Bushbox LF. If IO can get my hands on an XL that is two stoves I have long wanted to compare. Thanks for commenting
Two more aspect to compare
Black shoot coating on pot skin.
Time to reach half peak thermal output.
Thanks for commenting
quiete somtime dat i have not seen ur demo, however it dosent matter ur still very young , stay safe , caanadian kid. , Godbless!
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thanks for d reply ur still active, regards to ur lady of d hauz canadian boy.
Thank you!
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左邊那個小型金爐造型的爐子、
燃燒效率應該比右邊的火箭爐來得差吧。
是的，它在右边的炉子上确实要花更多的钱。 这个想法是为了证明右边的火炉是否值得额外的钱。 谢谢你的评论
Do you know that there are "IKEA stoves" in Europe with 9 holes instead of 6. So the cylinder is higher. The other dimensions remain the same. I don't know if it's an interest? And I found a skimmer whose diameter corresponds exactly to the diameter of the IKEA stove. This can be interesting for burning pellets.
I can't say what is sold in Europe but since Ikea is in Sweden I would assume they have all the variations. Thanks for commenting
Back for a second look😊
For sure. Thanks for commenting
Ikea Hobo vs Lixada LittleBug please
Absolutely. Not a combo I had thought of but will definitely add it to the list. Thanks for commenting
Lixada going for $8.50 right now on Amazon.
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Interesting test Mark. I have these two wood stoves also - what I have found is that in use out in the woods, the woodgas stove just misbehaves more, esp. when cold, with even slightly damp wood - the flame will actually go out, smoke like hell, then re-light, whereas the Ikea just smokes a bit more than usual but doesn't keep extinguishing itself. So I do have to make sure I am finding really dry wood for the woodgas - carving off the outer damp layers if needs be. As you say though, it's quite hard to compare one stove with the other - it depends on so many factors....
I should add that these wood gas stoves work very well (and almost smokeless) once warmed up after 2 mins - the fire basket will burn through after several uses though, as it is very thin and not the best stainless steel.Cheers, Dave in the UK.
I agree with your observations. Hard to find the prefect stove that works well with all types of wood. I often carry wood pellets for the wood gas stove for when I can't find dry wood. They works amazing. Thanks for commenting
I turned my large Ikea into a gasifier stove. Best of both worlds.
RIZE 2012 how’d you do that??
@@swassige I cut steel coffee container to fit in the inside of the stove, the with enough space for for the bottom to get air.drilled holes to match the top of stove. I use tent pegs to hold up my Stanley adventure cup. My feed pot is also located more towards the top as oppossed to the bottom. The feet are picture frame stabilizers. This is heavily modified, compared to what everyone else is doing.
I have been considering how to do that very thing. I will take a look at your idea. Do you happen to have a video? Thanks for commenting
@@MarkYoungBushcraft Sorry, I have no video for it. It was just an experiment. It has increased performance though.
I also forgot to say I put a cat food can at the bottom to catch the ashes. The can has slits all around to it. Little to no Ash.
Thnx
You are most welcome. Thanks for commenting
Compare a Littlbug Jr against an Ohuhu? Thanks.
Courtesy of Half Vast Flying
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Ok first tyvm for your video.
1st: If your comparing "stoves" should you not exclude your personal preferences and just compare the stoves and not your personal cook sets?
2nd: if you want a fair and unbiased comparison should you also use the same type pot for each stove? Even if its one you would not actually take with you. Again its a "stove" comparison not a pot comparison.
By adding additional variables in your demonstration it seams you are altering the results. This one is good for group that one is good for solo. It appears, mind you I say appears, you have done an apples to oranges comparison and not an apples to apples comparison. If you take my poorly written meaning.
And lastly I have watchs some of your other videos, as youtube has let me see them and hope to see more. Thank you.
Thank you for your suggestions
I am under the impression that if the lexada was as loosely pack as the IKEA it would also have burned out quickly
You may well be correct. Using the same amount of wood was an attempt to even out the variables between the two stoves. In reality, the Ikea hobo stove has so much more volume had I loaded it to the max it may have slowed the initial burn down some and would likely have lasted much longer than the Lixada. In my more recent tests I load out the stoves to their max to give a better idea of capability. I also have videos on both stoves individually for even more information on the individual stoves. Thanks for commenting
How is 14 oz. one pound and 11 ounces? Sixteen ounces equals a pound.
If you read the note on the screen you will see the 14oz refers to the stove weight without the MSR pot
@@MarkYoungBushcraft Well I'm glad your not doing new math :-)
Alcohol stove test would be nice . Home made . Thanks cheers 👍🇨🇦
Just so I understand, you are asking me to test homemade alcohol stoves in these two wood stoves?
3:47 I already hate the first stove. Its supposed to be convenient but is inconvenient by not having a door to add wood. You would have to take off the cooking pot and add wood down the center, which would then prompt me to save the money and just make a damn camp fire or a Dakota hole.
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