For me, it comes down to too many cooks and the effect of having other referees off the pitch influencing the ref on the pitch when I feel like decisions should mostly be kept on-field and they should just introduce semi-automated offside technology instead
This was an insanely good video, very well done. Halfway through I looked at your subscribers and was completely shocked at seeing only 20. Now hearing that this was your first video, it makes sense, but honestly your quality was so good that I doubt it‘ll take long for you to get noticed more
Honestly... they should let opposing biassed fans be in the VAR room, cuz at least we will know its real humans who make the decision and that they want to openly screw eachother up, not secretly like Antony Taylor
As much as it hurts to say, football should take some inspiration from American football, at least when it comes to offside technology. They have had extremely accurate live line technology for years now, in seconds they can get probably more accurate lines drawn live almost automatically then var refs can do in minutes, think corridor crew made a good video about it a little while ago, everyone should check that out
65 subscribers now, excellent video. I would like to request a similar video on the obstruction rule in football if possible. Outraged by Van Dijk's disallowed header in the recent Chelsea game, for a block, obstruction, by Endo. Especially so as the following Sunday I watched Man City score from a corner with a far more obvious case of obstruction. And in probably every game I've watched over the last 40 years, I've seen at least 1 example of obvious obstruction go unpunished consistently. Namely, close to the goal line as the ball rolls towards the line and the defender sticks his arse into the midriff of the attacker and uses his arms and body strength to physically prevent the attacker from the ball. No attempt to control the ball is being made, only to physically stop the opposition player. I've have never seen officiating in the English Premier League as bad as since VAR was introduced. It's chronically bad, every weekend, nearly every game. To say that the PGMOL is incompetent is playing down just how bad they've gotten. And I wholly agree with your sentiment that they act as if they couldn't care less. Keep up the good work and I look forward to seeing your next video!
You might want to learn the difference between obstruction and legitimate vying for position first. Mac Allister went with Ake and then fouled him at the end.
It’s like they forgot that it’s supposed to be video ASSISTED referencing instead of video refereeing. It shouldn’t be used in the way it is used. We shouldn’t expect every call to be perfect either though. VAR should only be used when the referee is in doubt about a decision like whether a ball crossed a line or not and not for fouls or offsides the referee and linesman have already decided upon. Offsides for goals on the other hand obviously carry doubt and so VAR should be used to assist the referee in making a decision but definitely not to make the decision for them. I feel like a lot of people for some reason think VAR should be making the decisions which just isn’t its purpose
Generally speaking the availability of VAR is good, at least in principle. Prior to VAR I was losing interest in football because too many games were being decided by blatant refereeing mistakes. Used sensibly VAR is a useful tool but the FA being the FA would use a screwdriver to remove a nut and they are just as useless in their use of VAR. What has surprised me following VAR coming in, is the number of ludicrous interpretations of the evidence VAR provides ( not to mention the complete cock up of disallowing Liverpool’s goal against Spurs). Also, the inconsistency of decisions not just between but even within games is quite astounding. Like many others I have watched numerous video replays and too often have been unable to see how they have reached the conclusion they have. Clearly before VAR, what I used to think were mistakes, because of the lack of a clear picture of what happened were actually bizarre interpretations of what the refs could clearly see. Overall refs do a remarkable job and most VAR decisions I do agree with but it is the number of what seem to be ludicrous and/or inconsistent ones that are the problem. VAR is simply an aid to get things right more often and it’s the use and interpretation of the evidence provided by VAR that is the problem.
The reason the Anderlecht match was replayed was because the referee didn't apply the laws of the game correctly, rather than because he missed a foul.
VAR should absolutely be done like how the video reviews are done in rugby, with live video feed of review is shown in stadium and with live audio is played.
The "Clear and Obvious" method has always been one of my favorites. I feel like it allows for more authentic and creative play, though there is more room for poor decisions.
Good video, I'll be looking out for more. I'm off to a non league match this afternoon, and I'm sure I will see the officials make mistakes, but shit happens, its over when it's over, I know when I cheer a goal i won't have to wait to see if it really is a goal. I agree with you that handball should go back to the old "deliberate" interpretation. And offside to "interfering with play" (thinking of the Rashford decision last year). Always open to how the ref sees it, but VAR just extends that to how some bloke in a studio sees it. Happier without VAR thanks....
1:07 I really disagree that the challenge on Walker there is soft, and it is significantly more dangerous than the challenge of Alexis Mac Allister. A challenge like the one by Zaroury on Walker is dangerous because Walkers foot is planted on the ground, and Zaroury is stamping on the back of his leg. With slightly more force that is quite easily a broken foot, as Walkers weight is on that foot and the boots are designed to stick to the ground. The way Henke Larsson broke his foot is a great example of how easily it is to break a persons leg from behind, even with what seems like very little force (and FIFA did hit down hard on challenges from behind because of it). The situation with Alexis Mac Allister you can argue should be a red card, but it is also very different than the other situation. Neither players foot is planted on the ground, meaning the risk of injury is significantly less. So as for risk of injury the situation with Walker is a lot more reckless than the situation with Mac Allister, which fits with the rules which states "Any player who lunges at an opponent in challenging for the ball from the front, from the side or from behind using one or both legs, with excessive force or endangers the safety of an opponent is guilty of serious foul play" and I would say that the challenge from Zaroury does that whilst Mac Allisters doesn't (though slow motion always makes things seem less severe).
1:45 is patently untrue and surely that statement is just confirmation bias. For 1 it is impossible to know how many calls were affected by this prior to the introduction of VAR but the false positive rate of decisions (decisions made on field that VAR clearly and confidently overturns) is much much higher than the number of VAR mistakes. For example I can't even tell you how many times I've seen the on field linesman flag an offside then VAR checks it and the person was just clearly onside (even without drawing lines millimeters apart). The modt recent I witnessed was Watkins's second goal against Luton. Where without VAR a really wrong call would have been made and nobody eould ever know for sure. The only thing is when VAR makes a mistake you do know for sure 2:13 Bruh, making the "right" decision isn't one job and it's not trivial. For one, most of the laws are subject to interpretation. Like it or not a bad tackle isn't objective it deals with things like intent and potential danger those aren't objective things. Those depend on the person making the call making a judgement. Just do it is trivialising not just this but also the difficulty of actually making the few objective decisions correctly as a human. Like it or not, to the letter of the law somebody who is offside by a toenail is offside and thats a hard thing to work out. I think the solution here is to just change the law and put error bars on the offside lines and if they fall within the error bar region you go with the on field decision, like umpire's call in LBW decisions. Not because the on firld decision is objectively correct. But because the on field decision is probably fairer. Where you acknowledge the limitations of the tech and simply say we dont know, this is our best guess. 5:48 Offside decisions as far as I'm aware are recinstructed from at least 3 camera angles to use 3D positioning software on it. The fact that you can't tell from a single picture isn't a dunk on offside tracking because they're not telling from a single picture they're just drawing the lines on 1 picture but the positional calculaations are being done with several. And I too question the fidelity of the semi automated systems as well. I don't see how it can be anything more than a flag to tell you when to manually check offside because thw positioning data is reconstructed from few data points and not the entire body 6:00 listen I've been trying not to say that anything you've said is stupid because you raise valid concerns even if your discussion lacks nuance but this statement is just stupid. That obviously is not what they do. Why would you eveb say that 8:04 is genuinely a good take, no issues here. I do think fans need to be less toxic about the whole referee cinspiracy thing or referees are not going to want to do that. And I think VAR needs more time to make their decisions. Before any decision is made with VAR, there needs to be a standardized checklist to prevent errors like someone dedicated to checking all players in an offside call for impeding and that the roght line is drawn. There needs to be a stabdard final exchange where referee says "On filed decision was X and you're saying the correct decision was y, is that so?" And the VAR has to respond with "Yes on field decision was x and our decision was y" in order for the game to continue. Lack of transparency is genuinely a bad thing and I think you've made a really good point here 9:28 Ok it is subjective, it's always been. You wrote one that isn't subjective that's also fair. Do you really want to go the route of player must be x yards away from the ball when being played? You want them to be drawing even more lines on freez frame images for people to complain about when it gets too close when half the time that's unecessary because with your eyes you can tell the the player didnt have enough time to move their hand and away and they weren't intentionally blocking the ball? Because that's what you're calling for here. Some calls are just easily not handball by everybody and it becomes less clear cut when you start defining specific numbers. And when you do that, what is the right nymber to pick? Who decides that? And I hope you realise that deliberate is also subjective and goal scoring chance is subjective 11:30 complaining about restart times when literally everything you said in this video can be fixed by giving VAR more time is kinda odd. If you give them less time they're going to make more mistakes. I'm cinfused about whay you want here 13:16 I mean sure you can, then managers would come out complaining about over working players and complaing that we won the match anyway why should we replay. Then they'll make literally the same arguements you're making right now about something not being clear and obvious or not having a clear and obvious impact on that one specific match. That replay wasn't uncontroversial in Belgium, so it's odd to pretend everybody was jusy fine with it. I do think if a goal is dismissed as offside incorrectly like in that Liverpool Tottenham match, that is grounds for a replay. But in that specific case, the protocol to continue with the game once it restarts was incorrect since it was clearly a miscommunication they should've just stopped the game and given the goal. Again I don't think this is a bad idea but it will be controversial and I don't think the clubs would like it and I definitely don't think the reason is because the referees are stubborn. The referees don't control the league
Maybe this wasn't the most scientific video ever made, but I speak for football fans. VAR itself may not be the issue, but it's the way it's operated. Some of the decisions can't be defended.
@@realHarriball No I think you raise genuine points about the implementation of VAR. I just think one shouldn't just consider VAR in isolation but VAR vs no VAR. If VAR goes away the mistakes don't go away they just become less visible and in fact the data would suggest there would be more of them. VAR definitely isn't perfect by any stretch of the imagination and I think transparency and calling for replays when a major VAR mistake changes the outcome of a match are definitely good ideas that would make VAR better, as well as better communication protocols. I just think it's a little reductive to say "The referees don't care" because they wouldn't be referees if they didn't. Maybe there should be specialist VAR referees. Maybe FIFA should have a VAR standards training to see how to better train referees to interpret slow mo video. It definitely can be better so don't take my comment as being hateful. I just wanted to write down things that add nuance to your arguement
the reason VAR personnel doesnt admit to their own mistakes is simple, scrutiny is too hard, everyone is watching them and people are known to start to hide things when under hard scrutiny, for example what air travel safety institution found was: when rules have consequences that are severe, pilots are less likely to report those mistakes and more likely to even convince their colleagues to lie for them as well.
It’s match fixing in favor of some against others , betting comes as well … shame ruining the football and wasting teams efforts and sometimes costing them a hard fought after title … scum and on top is Howard Webb , why am I not surprised ?
I had already started to lose interest in football back in 2013 (the day after Newcastle beat man utd at old Trafford for the first time in yonks) but VAR has officially quelled any potential refiring up of an interest. Soulless sport today.
the problem with replays are where we can fit the fixtures. theres already a problem with fixture congestion and players have spoken out bout it so its just gonna worse a big problem and even if we replay a game what if theres a another error. how many times are we gonna replay? great vid tho
Why can't they use the GPS transducers players already wear, to automatically determine an offside. The minor difference in transducer position of an attacking player facing the opposite direction to a defender, could be included in the algorithms. This would give a near instant decision, the same as goal-line technology, on one of the hardest things to decide. Plus, being automatic, there's no bias one way or other.
*Offside has a Simple Technology Solution* {goal line technology extended} . Each player can wear a "positional Tag" . . on his Torso ..or.. . . on his knee ..or.. both . if it happens that a player "gets away" with his armpit; or little finger; or little toe ..then.. . that's the "rub of the green" *Fouls should be 'automated'* - (studs up - )- no contact with ball = automatic Red Card - (handball)- arm away from body = automatic foul
a good compromise would be something like a coach challenge like in the nba where each manager/coach can challange 1 call per game for example if the coach belives it was a dive that led to penalty or if he thinks a given goal schould’ve been offsides he can challenge that call edit: imo constant var makes the game to “sterile”
The pride comment hits the nail on the head. The Luis Diaz incident is a prime example - they realised they made a mistake but then soon after mentioned they couldn’t do anything and was clarified after the game that “because play had been restarted” they couldn’t do anything… Surely it would’ve been more logical to break the “rules”, blow the whilst and award the goal. Because it wouldn’t look good on the FA if they punished a referee for preventing a huge mistake… But no they decided to just roll with the mistake knowing they’d cost Liverpool a legitimate goal in a huge game.
I think VAR is really showing how many rules are too subjective or not that easy to detect on the field when you have a second to decide. Referees should be able to look at a possible infraction and clearly and automatically stating: this is foul, this is offside, etc. Many rules right now are heavily subjective. Handball for one, have a lot of conditions that are subjective(depend on interpretation). Then offside, remember how the rule is right now and then remember that the referees need to pay simultaneous attention to: the moment the ball is passed, the position of the attacker the ball is going to, the position of the defenders and also all the possible touches from other players in between. all happens so fast that sometimes when the referee looks at the position of the attacker it seems offside but was not when the ball was passed. Maybe with more technology offside may be faster to detect as it is in the situations where attackers and defenders overlap, but right now is not possible. Rules need to be objective and easier to detect. The moment football refereeing seems geometry or left to interpretation something is not right and should be corrected. Otherwise VAR may help but won't do much on its own
Despite the impression the fans are getting, there is less variance in offside calls with almost no false positives and almost no false negatives. This is probably the main area where it's obvious the fans are full of shit. VAR might have drawn the lines wrong, but that 2 yard offside might not have been called at all years ago, and there was also a huge chance of a person who was a few inches onside getting called off. Fans are reacting worse when they see VAR mistakes because they are highlighted in the refs own actions than appreciating how many errors it has reduced. But a legitimate cause of differences across refs that could seemingly be easily mitigated is what exactly a player has the right to do especially in light of whether or not they're playing the ball. A relatively light touch could be a foul whereas a heavy touch could not be a foul depending on the situation. You see at times they call a foul for someone leaning into or slightly pushing a player where their momentum was already going whereas an arm across the other players chest while their still not playing the ball or slamming their shoulder into the back of an offensive player, like see Walker constantly especially against people with comparable acceleration and speed, are often not called.
I like the way they do in in rugby. There you have complete transparency because what the video referee sees and looks at is shown live on TV and on the stadium screens, together with the live audio of him communicating with the central referee. Why don't we have the same in football?
extension of your *Good point* 1. Rugby started from a position { say ± 20 yrs ago} where "Underhand & off -the-ball Tactics" *with no skills* dominated the game 2. Since more _Cameras, replays, reviews, citings etc_ were introduced -- . The Skills of the Players have increased to the level where ... . . the Older Style is unrecognizable . . the "Rugby Package" at all levels - even schools - is a Must Sell Skills-Only product
You surely do not know, how the rules of the game are. “They only played on for ten seconds. Why don’t they halt the game and give the goal?” If you are so smart, please tell where to draw the line? 10 seconds, 30 seconds, a minute? If you just thought of a timeframe, please consider: the opposing team could score during that time. Would you still let that goal stand? What if a player got a red card in that time, or a penalty has to be awarded? Would that change the decision? What if that game end within that time? Every single of these scenarios has already happened in a timeframe of 10 seconds or less. The rules of the game are very clear, how long any decision can be changed: Up until the ball is in play after any decision. This has *absolutely nothing* to do with the VAR. This rule has been there for many decades. If you want to have that changed, who is then going to say, that the rules have become more consistent? Why are decisions not consistent? They never were and never will be. No human decisions have ever been consistent not in traffic, in law or anywhere. VAR has made offside decisions and giving goals when the ball crossed the line more consistent than it has ever been. To show one of the very few examples, where that spectacularly failed, doesn’t change that. Do you want the times back, when England could score a goal against Germany during a championship everybody could plainly see the ball at least a foot behind the line and the goal being denied? VAR is a mechanism to help avoid obviously wrong decisions - nothing more nothing less. That’s exactly what it has done and keeps on doing. Nobody did, could or should expect VAR to lead to a game, where no wrong decisions are made anymore. When asking fans, I strongly suggest you listen to them closely, when they react to offside decisions lead to a goal or a foul/hand play decision leads to a penalty for their own team … they are just as happy about that, as they have been before VAR when the same decisions have been made. Did anyone care about TV footage showing that the decision was obviously wrong? No they did not. And those instances can be reviewed and reconsidered by VAR now. Will that process lead to consistently correct decisions? No. Will they reduce the number of cases where obviously wrong decisions stand and make consistent decisions more probable? Yes. And that is a very good thing.
I’m a Liverpool fan so we’ve been screwed by VAR this season, but I still feel they’ve probably got the vast majority of calls right. The thing with VAR though is it puts everything under the spotlight. And really if we didn’t have VAR there would be so many calls that wouldn’t be corrected.
One thing that bugs me is when they just randomly decide to not go have an extra look, like the kick to MacAllister in the game vs Man City. How is the ref not advised to take another look there? If he looked and still maintained the call fine but review it again to make sure.
One more thing that I think is really dumb with VAR is that it cannot overturn second yellow cards. Like, I can kind of understand not being able to review yellow cards, but second yellows are ultimately reds and should be viewed as such. For example, Vitor Roque was wrongly given a second yellow and both commentators immediately knew and called the ref out, but since it was a second yellow there was nothing that could be done.
There needs to be better training of the officials. English football appears to have very poor officials with little understanding of the game and those gaming the rules.
It’s a con job, plain and simple. Look at the teams favoured by the decisions and then the teams who are constantly negatively affected. Tell me it’s not a corrupt system, funded by money. Football is still the beautiful game, but money is ruining it, and VAR is clear evidence of that
I disagree with you. VAR ISN'T the "right thing for football" at all. Accepting the on-field officials' real time decisions is the right thing. The referee and his/her two assistants can not "get everything right" in everybody's eyes, but THAT DOESN'T MATTER. What matters is that their decisions are disinterested, accepted straight away and the game continues. Sure, when VAR grows up to be an adult in the room, like goalline technology, instead of being an unstable, unpredictable, squawking toddler, and can provide an instantaneous automated call directly and solely to the referee (NOT the TV company, nor the crowd - they are irrelevant) then fine. Even then, it is still right for the referee to make the ultimate decision, he/she may need to make an alternative decision to the automated call, based on an infringement which VAR hasn't taken into account. The reality is that football is a fast, contact sport and the need for interpretation of the laws in order to adjudicate if any incident is fair or an infringement is unavoidable. Many decisions the officials must make are definitely SUBJECTIVE, was that tackle foul or permissible? was that handball? was that player offside? These decisions are frequent and numerous in every match. We can have no expectation that the decisions given are either "objectively fair" nor "consistent". Football is fair only when the referee has full authority. Football can NOT afford to do away with one of its prime attractions over other sports. CONTINUOUS PLAY. The ridiculous number of substitutions allowed today and over-cautious rules concerning the treatment of "injuries" have already damaged this fragile, but golden, feature of the game. What we CAN do is hand back autonomy to the referee and his/her assistants and RESPECT their disinterested decisions. They are RIGHT, even when they are wrong. No matter what Sky, the Daily Mail or you and your mates watching in the pub or me in the stadium have to say. ----
This video gets uploaded just before another VAR howler between Liverpool and Man City. They need to stop using 'The letter of the law' as an excuse and go on better judgement and the benefit of the doubt
2006 world cup when Graeme Poll issued 3 yellow cards is when English referees were exposed as incompetent to the whole world. It's almost 20 years since then and even with technology they're the absolute worst. VAR is good but giving them to the English referees is like teaching a hippopotamus how to enjoy a 12 course meal in a michelin restaurant. Absolutely futile. Edit : Agree with you on having the entire incident reviewed live with video feed on stadium screens and audio feed from the VAR room, this works in Cricket and Tennis whenever they need to use hawkeye.
9:24 the point in the football rules is to be subjective. They aren’t and never were attempting to have objective rules. Referees are supposed to have some influence over the rules during the game and so they are purposefully vague. It’s like with the 90 minute game, it was never supposed to be 90 minutes of time when the ball is in play, but as a reference to the actual time between kick off - half time and the end of half time - the end of the match. We need subjectivity in football but we don’t need a system that’s trying to be objective when the rules are purposefully vague. This is what people don’t understand about VAR and the football rules.
How does getting offside right, to the inch, improve the game? It doesn't. Nobody was saying "the game is great but what about ppl getting away with offside by one inch".
I'ts not even been 5 years since VAR was consistently implemented in all top european leagues man, everything needs time to be learned and correclty used. From my point of view, VAR it's the bes adition to football ever. I've seen many people with the same rethoric of "imagine winning in the last minute just to be invalidated by var", well, what about the other way around? what about your club is qualifying to UCL finals just to get eliminated last minute with a invalid goal? just think of hystorically how many bad calls would have been mended in time if we had this tech from the very beggining
I predicted this way before VAR was introduced. Video replay didn't stop the horrible refereeing decisions in the NFL or MLB, why would they do that in Football, a game that's far more fluid and situational?
They need to take lessons from sports such as Australian Rules where a decision is made almost immediately. If it is not absolutely clear, the on field umpire’s (referee’s) decision stands. Why does VAR look at an incident for ages while the ref stands around twiddling his thumbs and then he is sent to the monitor? Either the ref should go to the monitor immediately or VAR tell the ref the decision. Even Cricket takes less time than this.
This is not a VAR problem. It is the general confusion about what is a foul or what is a handball along with the unwillingness to fix problems with the game. How about introducing a stop watch to eliminate time wasting? In the US football, both NFL and college have no trouble instituting instant replay.
There were always inconsistencies and refereeing errors. The rules are the problem. VAR may have improved or worsened correct decisions (and VAR is demonstrably a shit show, a complete farce of an operation) but the point is that some rules, like offside, are and always have been tremendously difficult to officiate such are the minute distances involved, and like you say others like handball …. very much open to opinion. One man's unnatural position is another's honest error. While things are open to opinion there is no clear and obvious. Changing the rules won’t improve anything either, I reckon, because the nature of the game dictates that there will always be grey areas. It isn’t great the refereeing, it never was, and I don’t see things changing so live with it and enjoy the game for what it is 😊
Incontinency is not a VAR problem. Challenges have always been subjective and inconsistent. If anything i think they're less inconsistent now. People just have more reason to complain and everyone and their mom is convinced there's some conspiracy against their team
It quite literally is a VAR problem... as a back-up ref, it is your job give correct decisions and giving an offside for impeding a defender in one match, but not in another is your fault. How is one correct but the opposite not? Pure inconsistent decision-making that stems from bias on some kind of level.
@@BlackGhostBg1017 1) VAR is not 1 person so what you're saying isn't solid on arrival. 2) similar calls being called differently when the calls are subjective. That would've been the case as well were there no VAR and it's dumb to pretend VAR invented this issue. 3) Even if you're correct, it's completely wild to claim a bias by the entire set of premier league referees towards 1 thing. Why would that exist. Why would they do it through VAR. And if it exists it doesn't need VAR to exist and it would much easier to get away with without VAR. You asserting there is a bias simply because incorrect decisions are made is dumb. People make mistakes whether they are in a VAR box or not
@@micayahritchie7158 Bias towards players, teams, nationalities and positions is well doccumented in this league, so it is absolutely correct to think that refs are exposed to these subcontious thought when making decisions
@@BlackGhostBg1017 Bias towards big teams and home teams on a sub conscious level is well documented. I'll have to see the papers you're referring to for players and nationalities though. But the arguement runs counter in this situation because Liverpool is the team with the most bad VAR calls against and they are a traditionally big team which the bias traditionally favours. And a bias is not a conspiracy to create a certain outcome in either case such as targeting Luton to be relegated like people are insisting
Liverpool, as the club most affected by bad decisions going against them, need to win this league. If not, it will maybe open up the biggest can of worms in football league history, and maybe even legal proceedings. From the outside looking in, it looks like the premier league wants a certain team to win, and its not Liverpool.
I'm sorry but forest are 100% unluckiest team with VAR, had something go against us in literally the last 8 or 9 games now, after employing clattenburg it seems to have gotten worse, its like they are trying to prove a point to us now
Their is only 1 problem and only one problem with VAR, the PGMOL. I have never seen a more incompletely lead group of professional officials in my life. They can not even agree to what the rules actually are. For example, twice this season, Arsenal players have been hit in the head by players running by them from behind. Not only is this an act of a coward, but it is an automatic red card for violent conduct. I have seen officials and ex officials say that the rules say that it has to be an elbow, That is complete BS. The rule states, being hit with an arm, it says nothing about elbows. Then there is the handball rule, which is called 10 different ways on any given weekend. It's pathetic that the officials can not agree amounst eac otherr what the rule actually is, How the hell are the players suppose to know what they are and are not aloud. I have stated many, many times over the last few years that the PGMOL is not fit for purpose and needs to be fired by the the EPL and FA. They should then rebuild the staff with no current officals being rehired as there are, in my opinion, too many of them are biased and corrupt . VAR works , it has been used in many other leagues and sports around the world successfully.
Michael Oliver hates Man Utd with a burning passion. Every time he's the ref or video assistant ref in a United game, we'll know he's gonna make a controversial decision or 2 against United.
There would be nothing wrong with VAR if they just used it for obvious on field errors. Dives for penalties, players putting the ball in the back of the net with their hands or hands being used to stop the ball going into the net. As for offside, the same rule needs to be applied there, an obvious on field error needs to be have been made and by that I mean there would need to be a clear gap of air between defender and attacker for a goal to be ruled out in the VAR room. Making microscopic judgements by looking at frozen screens that no on field officials could possibly see, is an absolute joke. As a result fantastic goals are being chalked off because of ridiculous decisions being made in the VAR room. Football is played , watched and officiated live, let's keep it that way. After goals are scored play should continue and only stopped if there is a clear on field error. Don't kill the emotion of fans celebrating 'good' goals, which is what is happening now. It's killing the joy of the game.
There are issues here. We don’t know with your handball clips at around 1:20 if they’re from the same season. The handball law is changing every year, so you can’t compare one season with another. The handball law has been screwed about with because people want it to be objective. Like you do in this video. You want a different law in the penalty area to the rest of the pitch. You want it to be ok for players to make themselves bigger by putting their arms out as long as they don’t ’move towards the ball'. Well, that’s just a charter for players to defend crosses with their arms out. JUST USE COMMON SENSE! You say. Well, that will lead to every ref having their own interpretation of the law, which leads to the very inconsistencies you moan about at the start of the video. With the Diaz offside there was no mechanism by which they could stop the game after the restart. They can’t just make it up as they go along. I also get really bored with people talking about the impact, and missing out on Europe or getting relegated because of a decision. That just doesn’t happen. It’s one flap of the butterfly's wing. How about easy chances missed? Do Liverpool want to blame the ref for the Doku non penalty decision, or do they want to blame Diaz for missing chances before that would have made any controversy a moot point? Errors are part of the game. Both from officials and players. There's a load of contradictions in here.
People are going to call me a boomer, but.... Monday fixtures. It started with Monday fixtures. People should never have stood for it. When they did, it gave the FA the green light and they knew they could get away with anything. Make no mistake, the premier league is a money whore league. You can criticize Spain's registration rules and say they favour the larger teams (and you'd be right, even if Barcelona were still somehow stupid enough to mess that up), you can criticize the insane unfairness of Ligue 1, the lunacy of Bundesliga or the questionable past of Serie A, but these are all still football leagues first and foremost. That trope of the PL being the leading domestic league in the world for ad revenue is an absolute rot, and every problem it has is downstream from there.
Rubbish idea we should be able to hear them. They need to work as quick as possible and not worry what they are saying or not. It would slow it down if they knew they were being heard. We dont hear the refs yet, that should come first before that at the very least
Managers don't help the situation. If the game hasn't gone their way they will critisize refereeing decisions that most people would say are clear and fair.
Maybe they don't however everyone is allowed their say, and after a decision doesn't go your way I guess it's only natural to express those emotions. At the end of the day they are just people. But yeah sometimes managers maybe don't help the situation.
Thank you for all of the support on this video! ♥
Please keep making videos like this one, the quality was so good!
Honestly, I feel like the problems is the referees not the technology
Exactly!
For me, it comes down to too many cooks and the effect of having other referees off the pitch influencing the ref on the pitch when I feel like decisions should mostly be kept on-field and they should just introduce semi-automated offside technology instead
This was an insanely good video, very well done. Halfway through I looked at your subscribers and was completely shocked at seeing only 20. Now hearing that this was your first video, it makes sense, but honestly your quality was so good that I doubt it‘ll take long for you to get noticed more
Thank you, much appreciated!
Honestly... they should let opposing biassed fans be in the VAR room, cuz at least we will know its real humans who make the decision and that they want to openly screw eachother up, not secretly like Antony Taylor
Oh yeah, THAT would work. One-eyed radical fans arguing the toss. The decision goes to the angriest?
43 subscribers!!!! Wtf. This video was excellent!
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As much as it hurts to say, football should take some inspiration from American football, at least when it comes to offside technology. They have had extremely accurate live line technology for years now, in seconds they can get probably more accurate lines drawn live almost automatically then var refs can do in minutes, think corridor crew made a good video about it a little while ago, everyone should check that out
This channel deserves to blow up, great video mate. Subscribed
65 subscribers now, excellent video. I would like to request a similar video on the obstruction rule in football if possible. Outraged by Van Dijk's disallowed header in the recent Chelsea game, for a block, obstruction, by Endo. Especially so as the following Sunday I watched Man City score from a corner with a far more obvious case of obstruction. And in probably every game I've watched over the last 40 years, I've seen at least 1 example of obvious obstruction go unpunished consistently. Namely, close to the goal line as the ball rolls towards the line and the defender sticks his arse into the midriff of the attacker and uses his arms and body strength to physically prevent the attacker from the ball. No attempt to control the ball is being made, only to physically stop the opposition player.
I've have never seen officiating in the English Premier League as bad as since VAR was introduced. It's chronically bad, every weekend, nearly every game. To say that the PGMOL is incompetent is playing down just how bad they've gotten. And I wholly agree with your sentiment that they act as if they couldn't care less.
Keep up the good work and I look forward to seeing your next video!
You might want to learn the difference between obstruction and legitimate vying for position first. Mac Allister went with Ake and then fouled him at the end.
This is way too good to be under thousands of subs, new subscriber 👍
Ange shoudl watch this video. Great video mate keep them coming! Subscribed.
It’s like they forgot that it’s supposed to be video ASSISTED referencing instead of video refereeing. It shouldn’t be used in the way it is used. We shouldn’t expect every call to be perfect either though.
VAR should only be used when the referee is in doubt about a decision like whether a ball crossed a line or not and not for fouls or offsides the referee and linesman have already decided upon.
Offsides for goals on the other hand obviously carry doubt and so VAR should be used to assist the referee in making a decision but definitely not to make the decision for them.
I feel like a lot of people for some reason think VAR should be making the decisions which just isn’t its purpose
Really well put together video that mate. Keep up the good work ;)
Generally speaking the availability of VAR is good, at least in principle. Prior to VAR I was losing interest in football because too many games were being decided by blatant refereeing mistakes. Used sensibly VAR is a useful tool but the FA being the FA would use a screwdriver to remove a nut and they are just as useless in their use of VAR. What has surprised me following VAR coming in, is the number of ludicrous interpretations of the evidence VAR provides ( not to mention the complete cock up of disallowing Liverpool’s goal against Spurs). Also, the inconsistency of decisions not just between but even within games is quite astounding. Like many others I have watched numerous video replays and too often have been unable to see how they have reached the conclusion they have. Clearly before VAR, what I used to think were mistakes, because of the lack of a clear picture of what happened were actually bizarre interpretations of what the refs could clearly see. Overall refs do a remarkable job and most VAR decisions I do agree with but it is the number of what seem to be ludicrous and/or inconsistent ones that are the problem. VAR is simply an aid to get things right more often and it’s the use and interpretation of the evidence provided by VAR that is the problem.
The reason the Anderlecht match was replayed was because the referee didn't apply the laws of the game correctly, rather than because he missed a foul.
VAR should absolutely be done like how the video reviews are done in rugby, with live video feed of review is shown in stadium and with live audio is played.
The "Clear and Obvious" method has always been one of my favorites. I feel like it allows for more authentic and creative play, though there is more room for poor decisions.
Good video, I'll be looking out for more.
I'm off to a non league match this afternoon, and I'm sure I will see the officials make mistakes, but shit happens, its over when it's over, I know when I cheer a goal i won't have to wait to see if it really is a goal.
I agree with you that handball should go back to the old "deliberate" interpretation. And offside to "interfering with play" (thinking of the Rashford decision last year). Always open to how the ref sees it, but VAR just extends that to how some bloke in a studio sees it.
Happier without VAR thanks....
Why did the pgmol decide not to use semi automated tech? Cause then they wouldn't be able to be as corrupt as they are now.
1:07 I really disagree that the challenge on Walker there is soft, and it is significantly more dangerous than the challenge of Alexis Mac Allister. A challenge like the one by Zaroury on Walker is dangerous because Walkers foot is planted on the ground, and Zaroury is stamping on the back of his leg. With slightly more force that is quite easily a broken foot, as Walkers weight is on that foot and the boots are designed to stick to the ground. The way Henke Larsson broke his foot is a great example of how easily it is to break a persons leg from behind, even with what seems like very little force (and FIFA did hit down hard on challenges from behind because of it).
The situation with Alexis Mac Allister you can argue should be a red card, but it is also very different than the other situation. Neither players foot is planted on the ground, meaning the risk of injury is significantly less. So as for risk of injury the situation with Walker is a lot more reckless than the situation with Mac Allister, which fits with the rules which states "Any player who lunges at an opponent in challenging for the ball from the front, from the side or from behind using one or both legs, with excessive force or endangers the safety of an opponent is guilty of serious foul play" and I would say that the challenge from Zaroury does that whilst Mac Allisters doesn't (though slow motion always makes things seem less severe).
1:45 is patently untrue and surely that statement is just confirmation bias. For 1 it is impossible to know how many calls were affected by this prior to the introduction of VAR but the false positive rate of decisions (decisions made on field that VAR clearly and confidently overturns) is much much higher than the number of VAR mistakes.
For example I can't even tell you how many times I've seen the on field linesman flag an offside then VAR checks it and the person was just clearly onside (even without drawing lines millimeters apart). The modt recent I witnessed was Watkins's second goal against Luton. Where without VAR a really wrong call would have been made and nobody eould ever know for sure.
The only thing is when VAR makes a mistake you do know for sure
2:13 Bruh, making the "right" decision isn't one job and it's not trivial. For one, most of the laws are subject to interpretation. Like it or not a bad tackle isn't objective it deals with things like intent and potential danger those aren't objective things. Those depend on the person making the call making a judgement.
Just do it is trivialising not just this but also the difficulty of actually making the few objective decisions correctly as a human. Like it or not, to the letter of the law somebody who is offside by a toenail is offside and thats a hard thing to work out. I think the solution here is to just change the law and put error bars on the offside lines and if they fall within the error bar region you go with the on field decision, like umpire's call in LBW decisions. Not because the on firld decision is objectively correct. But because the on field decision is probably fairer. Where you acknowledge the limitations of the tech and simply say we dont know, this is our best guess.
5:48 Offside decisions as far as I'm aware are recinstructed from at least 3 camera angles to use 3D positioning software on it. The fact that you can't tell from a single picture isn't a dunk on offside tracking because they're not telling from a single picture they're just drawing the lines on 1 picture but the positional calculaations are being done with several. And I too question the fidelity of the semi automated systems as well. I don't see how it can be anything more than a flag to tell you when to manually check offside because thw positioning data is reconstructed from few data points and not the entire body
6:00 listen I've been trying not to say that anything you've said is stupid because you raise valid concerns even if your discussion lacks nuance but this statement is just stupid. That obviously is not what they do. Why would you eveb say that
8:04 is genuinely a good take, no issues here. I do think fans need to be less toxic about the whole referee cinspiracy thing or referees are not going to want to do that. And I think VAR needs more time to make their decisions. Before any decision is made with VAR, there needs to be a standardized checklist to prevent errors like someone dedicated to checking all players in an offside call for impeding and that the roght line is drawn. There needs to be a stabdard final exchange where referee says "On filed decision was X and you're saying the correct decision was y, is that so?" And the VAR has to respond with "Yes on field decision was x and our decision was y" in order for the game to continue. Lack of transparency is genuinely a bad thing and I think you've made a really good point here
9:28 Ok it is subjective, it's always been. You wrote one that isn't subjective that's also fair. Do you really want to go the route of player must be x yards away from the ball when being played? You want them to be drawing even more lines on freez frame images for people to complain about when it gets too close when half the time that's unecessary because with your eyes you can tell the the player didnt have enough time to move their hand and away and they weren't intentionally blocking the ball? Because that's what you're calling for here. Some calls are just easily not handball by everybody and it becomes less clear cut when you start defining specific numbers. And when you do that, what is the right nymber to pick? Who decides that?
And I hope you realise that deliberate is also subjective and goal scoring chance is subjective
11:30 complaining about restart times when literally everything you said in this video can be fixed by giving VAR more time is kinda odd. If you give them less time they're going to make more mistakes. I'm cinfused about whay you want here
13:16 I mean sure you can, then managers would come out complaining about over working players and complaing that we won the match anyway why should we replay. Then they'll make literally the same arguements you're making right now about something not being clear and obvious or not having a clear and obvious impact on that one specific match. That replay wasn't uncontroversial in Belgium, so it's odd to pretend everybody was jusy fine with it. I do think if a goal is dismissed as offside incorrectly like in that Liverpool Tottenham match, that is grounds for a replay. But in that specific case, the protocol to continue with the game once it restarts was incorrect since it was clearly a miscommunication they should've just stopped the game and given the goal.
Again I don't think this is a bad idea but it will be controversial and I don't think the clubs would like it and I definitely don't think the reason is because the referees are stubborn. The referees don't control the league
Maybe this wasn't the most scientific video ever made, but I speak for football fans. VAR itself may not be the issue, but it's the way it's operated. Some of the decisions can't be defended.
@@realHarriball No I think you raise genuine points about the implementation of VAR. I just think one shouldn't just consider VAR in isolation but VAR vs no VAR. If VAR goes away the mistakes don't go away they just become less visible and in fact the data would suggest there would be more of them. VAR definitely isn't perfect by any stretch of the imagination and I think transparency and calling for replays when a major VAR mistake changes the outcome of a match are definitely good ideas that would make VAR better, as well as better communication protocols. I just think it's a little reductive to say "The referees don't care" because they wouldn't be referees if they didn't. Maybe there should be specialist VAR referees. Maybe FIFA should have a VAR standards training to see how to better train referees to interpret slow mo video. It definitely can be better so don't take my comment as being hateful. I just wanted to write down things that add nuance to your arguement
@micayahritchie7158 my man is majoring in yappology
@@evanllewellyn1519 Maths and Physics actually. But thanks I guess
@@micayahritchie7158Offside is the most obvious one where the number of errors due to VAR has gone waaaay down despite notable mess ups
the reason VAR personnel doesnt admit to their own mistakes is simple, scrutiny is too hard, everyone is watching them and people are known to start to hide things when under hard scrutiny, for example what air travel safety institution found was: when rules have consequences that are severe, pilots are less likely to report those mistakes and more likely to even convince their colleagues to lie for them as well.
It’s match fixing in favor of some against others , betting comes as well … shame ruining the football and wasting teams efforts and sometimes costing them a hard fought after title … scum and on top is Howard Webb , why am I not surprised ?
I had already started to lose interest in football back in 2013 (the day after Newcastle beat man utd at old Trafford for the first time in yonks) but VAR has officially quelled any potential refiring up of an interest. Soulless sport today.
Excellent video. Subbed
the problem with replays are where we can fit the fixtures. theres already a problem with fixture congestion and players have spoken out bout it so its just gonna worse a big problem and even if we replay a game what if theres a another error. how many times are we gonna replay? great vid tho
The teams decided not to have the semi-automated offsides not the PGMOL, this is important to know!
More please!!
Why can't they use the GPS transducers players already wear, to automatically determine an offside. The minor difference in transducer position of an attacking player facing the opposite direction to a defender, could be included in the algorithms. This would give a near instant decision, the same as goal-line technology, on one of the hardest things to decide. Plus, being automatic, there's no bias one way or other.
Even though you were "joking" about united as a fan I can relate
*Offside has a Simple Technology Solution* {goal line technology extended}
. Each player can wear a "positional Tag"
. . on his Torso ..or..
. . on his knee ..or.. both
. if it happens that a player "gets away" with his armpit; or little finger; or little toe ..then..
. that's the "rub of the green"
*Fouls should be 'automated'*
- (studs up - )- no contact with ball = automatic Red Card
- (handball)- arm away from body = automatic foul
a good compromise would be something like a coach challenge like in the nba where each manager/coach can challange 1 call per game
for example if the coach belives it was a dive that led to penalty or if he thinks a given goal schould’ve been offsides he can challenge that call
edit: imo constant var makes the game to “sterile”
The pride comment hits the nail on the head.
The Luis Diaz incident is a prime example - they realised they made a mistake but then soon after mentioned they couldn’t do anything and was clarified after the game that “because play had been restarted” they couldn’t do anything…
Surely it would’ve been more logical to break the “rules”, blow the whilst and award the goal.
Because it wouldn’t look good on the FA if they punished a referee for preventing a huge mistake…
But no they decided to just roll with the mistake knowing they’d cost Liverpool a legitimate goal in a huge game.
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Good job on video!
I think VAR is really showing how many rules are too subjective or not that easy to detect on the field when you have a second to decide.
Referees should be able to look at a possible infraction and clearly and automatically stating: this is foul, this is offside, etc. Many rules right now are heavily subjective. Handball for one, have a lot of conditions that are subjective(depend on interpretation). Then offside, remember how the rule is right now and then remember that the referees need to pay simultaneous attention to: the moment the ball is passed, the position of the attacker the ball is going to, the position of the defenders and also all the possible touches from other players in between. all happens so fast that sometimes when the referee looks at the position of the attacker it seems offside but was not when the ball was passed. Maybe with more technology offside may be faster to detect as it is in the situations where attackers and defenders overlap, but right now is not possible.
Rules need to be objective and easier to detect. The moment football refereeing seems geometry or left to interpretation something is not right and should be corrected. Otherwise VAR may help but won't do much on its own
Despite the impression the fans are getting, there is less variance in offside calls with almost no false positives and almost no false negatives. This is probably the main area where it's obvious the fans are full of shit. VAR might have drawn the lines wrong, but that 2 yard offside might not have been called at all years ago, and there was also a huge chance of a person who was a few inches onside getting called off. Fans are reacting worse when they see VAR mistakes because they are highlighted in the refs own actions than appreciating how many errors it has reduced.
But a legitimate cause of differences across refs that could seemingly be easily mitigated is what exactly a player has the right to do especially in light of whether or not they're playing the ball. A relatively light touch could be a foul whereas a heavy touch could not be a foul depending on the situation. You see at times they call a foul for someone leaning into or slightly pushing a player where their momentum was already going whereas an arm across the other players chest while their still not playing the ball or slamming their shoulder into the back of an offensive player, like see Walker constantly especially against people with comparable acceleration and speed, are often not called.
I like the way they do in in rugby. There you have complete transparency because what the video referee sees and looks at is shown live on TV and on the stadium screens, together with the live audio of him communicating with the central referee. Why don't we have the same in football?
extension of your *Good point*
1. Rugby started from a position { say ± 20 yrs ago} where "Underhand & off -the-ball Tactics" *with no skills* dominated the game
2. Since more _Cameras, replays, reviews, citings etc_ were introduced --
. The Skills of the Players have increased to the level where ...
. . the Older Style is unrecognizable
. . the "Rugby Package" at all levels - even schools - is a Must Sell Skills-Only product
That Diaz offside decision is increasingly looking like it will be crucial in the title race 😬
You surely do not know, how the rules of the game are. “They only played on for ten seconds. Why don’t they halt the game and give the goal?” If you are so smart, please tell where to draw the line? 10 seconds, 30 seconds, a minute? If you just thought of a timeframe, please consider: the opposing team could score during that time. Would you still let that goal stand? What if a player got a red card in that time, or a penalty has to be awarded? Would that change the decision? What if that game end within that time? Every single of these scenarios has already happened in a timeframe of 10 seconds or less.
The rules of the game are very clear, how long any decision can be changed: Up until the ball is in play after any decision. This has *absolutely nothing* to do with the VAR. This rule has been there for many decades. If you want to have that changed, who is then going to say, that the rules have become more consistent?
Why are decisions not consistent? They never were and never will be. No human decisions have ever been consistent not in traffic, in law or anywhere. VAR has made offside decisions and giving goals when the ball crossed the line more consistent than it has ever been. To show one of the very few examples, where that spectacularly failed, doesn’t change that. Do you want the times back, when England could score a goal against Germany during a championship everybody could plainly see the ball at least a foot behind the line and the goal being denied?
VAR is a mechanism to help avoid obviously wrong decisions - nothing more nothing less. That’s exactly what it has done and keeps on doing. Nobody did, could or should expect VAR to lead to a game, where no wrong decisions are made anymore.
When asking fans, I strongly suggest you listen to them closely, when they react to offside decisions lead to a goal or a foul/hand play decision leads to a penalty for their own team … they are just as happy about that, as they have been before VAR when the same decisions have been made. Did anyone care about TV footage showing that the decision was obviously wrong? No they did not. And those instances can be reviewed and reconsidered by VAR now. Will that process lead to consistently correct decisions? No. Will they reduce the number of cases where obviously wrong decisions stand and make consistent decisions more probable? Yes. And that is a very good thing.
can we just abolish VAR please?
It's not VAR. It's not knowing how to use it
I’m a Liverpool fan so we’ve been screwed by VAR this season, but I still feel they’ve probably got the vast majority of calls right. The thing with VAR though is it puts everything under the spotlight. And really if we didn’t have VAR there would be so many calls that wouldn’t be corrected.
One thing that bugs me is when they just randomly decide to not go have an extra look, like the kick to MacAllister in the game vs Man City. How is the ref not advised to take another look there? If he looked and still maintained the call fine but review it again to make sure.
You can never get consistency with decisions as there are humans involved, and the laws of the game are there to be interpreted.
very good video
Every time I see this used, even in FC24, I think of that one crowd chanting at Zlatan that his nose is offside.
One more thing that I think is really dumb with VAR is that it cannot overturn second yellow cards. Like, I can kind of understand not being able to review yellow cards, but second yellows are ultimately reds and should be viewed as such. For example, Vitor Roque was wrongly given a second yellow and both commentators immediately knew and called the ref out, but since it was a second yellow there was nothing that could be done.
There needs to be better training of the officials. English football appears to have very poor officials with little understanding of the game and those gaming the rules.
It’s a con job, plain and simple. Look at the teams favoured by the decisions and then the teams who are constantly negatively affected. Tell me it’s not a corrupt system, funded by money. Football is still the beautiful game, but money is ruining it, and VAR is clear evidence of that
Stop using var for everything. only for goal confirmation
I disagree with you.
VAR ISN'T the "right thing for football" at all. Accepting the on-field officials' real time decisions is the right thing. The referee and his/her two assistants can not "get everything right" in everybody's eyes, but THAT DOESN'T MATTER. What matters is that their decisions are disinterested, accepted straight away and the game continues.
Sure, when VAR grows up to be an adult in the room, like goalline technology, instead of being an unstable, unpredictable, squawking toddler, and can provide an instantaneous automated call directly and solely to the referee (NOT the TV company, nor the crowd - they are irrelevant) then fine. Even then, it is still right for the referee to make the ultimate decision, he/she may need to make an alternative decision to the automated call, based on an infringement which VAR hasn't taken into account.
The reality is that football is a fast, contact sport and the need for interpretation of the laws in order to adjudicate if any incident is fair or an infringement is unavoidable. Many decisions the officials must make are definitely SUBJECTIVE, was that tackle foul or permissible? was that handball? was that player offside? These decisions are frequent and numerous in every match. We can have no expectation that the decisions given are either "objectively fair" nor "consistent".
Football is fair only when the referee has full authority.
Football can NOT afford to do away with one of its prime attractions over other sports. CONTINUOUS PLAY. The ridiculous number of substitutions allowed today and over-cautious rules concerning the treatment of "injuries" have already damaged this fragile, but golden, feature of the game.
What we CAN do is hand back autonomy to the referee and his/her assistants and RESPECT their disinterested decisions. They are RIGHT, even when they are wrong. No matter what Sky, the Daily Mail or you and your mates watching in the pub or me in the stadium have to say.
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IMO I think each manager should get 2 VAR requests per game plus automatic offsides. Other than that no VAR.
This video gets uploaded just before another VAR howler between Liverpool and Man City.
They need to stop using 'The letter of the law' as an excuse and go on better judgement and the benefit of the doubt
2006 world cup when Graeme Poll issued 3 yellow cards is when English referees were exposed as incompetent to the whole world. It's almost 20 years since then and even with technology they're the absolute worst. VAR is good but giving them to the English referees is like teaching a hippopotamus how to enjoy a 12 course meal in a michelin restaurant. Absolutely futile.
Edit : Agree with you on having the entire incident reviewed live with video feed on stadium screens and audio feed from the VAR room, this works in Cricket and Tennis whenever they need to use hawkeye.
9:24 the point in the football rules is to be subjective. They aren’t and never were attempting to have objective rules.
Referees are supposed to have some influence over the rules during the game and so they are purposefully vague.
It’s like with the 90 minute game, it was never supposed to be 90 minutes of time when the ball is in play, but as a reference to the actual time between kick off - half time and the end of half time - the end of the match.
We need subjectivity in football but we don’t need a system that’s trying to be objective when the rules are purposefully vague. This is what people don’t understand about VAR and the football rules.
At 5:30 we definitely DO NOT WANT cartoon Offside Graphics that can be manipulated by corrupt VAR Operators.
How does getting offside right, to the inch, improve the game? It doesn't. Nobody was saying "the game is great but what about ppl getting away with offside by one inch".
I'ts not even been 5 years since VAR was consistently implemented in all top european leagues man, everything needs time to be learned and correclty used. From my point of view, VAR it's the bes adition to football ever. I've seen many people with the same rethoric of "imagine winning in the last minute just to be invalidated by var", well, what about the other way around? what about your club is qualifying to UCL finals just to get eliminated last minute with a invalid goal? just think of hystorically how many bad calls would have been mended in time if we had this tech from the very beggining
I predicted this way before VAR was introduced. Video replay didn't stop the horrible refereeing decisions in the NFL or MLB, why would they do that in Football, a game that's far more fluid and situational?
Great video! Thx.
They should give VAR 20 seconds max to intervene. If it´s just for repairing blatatant mistakes it should be more than enough.
They need to take lessons from sports such as Australian Rules where a decision is made almost immediately. If it is not absolutely clear, the on field umpire’s (referee’s) decision stands. Why does VAR look at an incident for ages while the ref stands around twiddling his thumbs and then he is sent to the monitor? Either the ref should go to the monitor immediately or VAR tell the ref the decision. Even Cricket takes less time than this.
This is not a VAR problem. It is the general confusion about what is a foul or what is a handball along with the unwillingness to fix problems with the game. How about introducing a stop watch to eliminate time wasting? In the US football, both NFL and college have no trouble instituting instant replay.
There were always inconsistencies and refereeing errors. The rules are the problem. VAR may have improved or worsened correct decisions (and VAR is demonstrably a shit show, a complete farce of an operation) but the point is that some rules, like offside, are and always have been tremendously difficult to officiate such are the minute distances involved, and like you say others like handball …. very much open to opinion. One man's unnatural position is another's honest error. While things are open to opinion there is no clear and obvious. Changing the rules won’t improve anything either, I reckon, because the nature of the game dictates that there will always be grey areas. It isn’t great the refereeing, it never was, and I don’t see things changing so live with it and enjoy the game for what it is 😊
Incontinency is not a VAR problem. Challenges have always been subjective and inconsistent. If anything i think they're less inconsistent now. People just have more reason to complain and everyone and their mom is convinced there's some conspiracy against their team
It quite literally is a VAR problem... as a back-up ref, it is your job give correct decisions and giving an offside for impeding a defender in one match, but not in another is your fault. How is one correct but the opposite not? Pure inconsistent decision-making that stems from bias on some kind of level.
@@BlackGhostBg1017 1) VAR is not 1 person so what you're saying isn't solid on arrival. 2) similar calls being called differently when the calls are subjective. That would've been the case as well were there no VAR and it's dumb to pretend VAR invented this issue.
3) Even if you're correct, it's completely wild to claim a bias by the entire set of premier league referees towards 1 thing. Why would that exist. Why would they do it through VAR. And if it exists it doesn't need VAR to exist and it would much easier to get away with without VAR. You asserting there is a bias simply because incorrect decisions are made is dumb. People make mistakes whether they are in a VAR box or not
@@micayahritchie7158 Bias towards players, teams, nationalities and positions is well doccumented in this league, so it is absolutely correct to think that refs are exposed to these subcontious thought when making decisions
@@BlackGhostBg1017 Bias towards big teams and home teams on a sub conscious level is well documented. I'll have to see the papers you're referring to for players and nationalities though. But the arguement runs counter in this situation because Liverpool is the team with the most bad VAR calls against and they are a traditionally big team which the bias traditionally favours. And a bias is not a conspiracy to create a certain outcome in either case such as targeting Luton to be relegated like people are insisting
Liverpool, as the club most affected by bad decisions going against them, need to win this league. If not, it will maybe open up the biggest can of worms in football league history, and maybe even legal proceedings. From the outside looking in, it looks like the premier league wants a certain team to win, and its not Liverpool.
Win or lose, this season needs to end with legal action against the PGMOL.
I'm sorry but forest are 100% unluckiest team with VAR, had something go against us in literally the last 8 or 9 games now, after employing clattenburg it seems to have gotten worse, its like they are trying to prove a point to us now
This is not true
Always the victim 🤣
Forever victims. Conveniently forgetting the massive number of calls that help them.
Get rid of the offside and be done with it
More goals more excitement
maybe they want to control results
Their is only 1 problem and only one problem with VAR, the PGMOL. I have never seen a more incompletely lead group of professional officials in my life. They can not even agree to what the rules actually are.
For example, twice this season, Arsenal players have been hit in the head by players running by them from behind. Not only is this an act of a coward, but it is an automatic red card for violent conduct. I have seen officials and ex officials say that the rules say that it has to be an elbow, That is complete BS. The rule states, being hit with an arm, it says nothing about elbows.
Then there is the handball rule, which is called 10 different ways on any given weekend. It's pathetic that the officials can not agree amounst eac otherr what the rule actually is, How the hell are the players suppose to know what they are and are not aloud.
I have stated many, many times over the last few years that the PGMOL is not fit for purpose and needs to be fired by the the EPL and FA. They should then rebuild the staff with no current officals being rehired as there are, in my opinion, too many of them are biased and corrupt .
VAR works , it has been used in many other leagues and sports around the world successfully.
Michael Oliver hates Man Utd with a burning passion. Every time he's the ref or video assistant ref in a United game, we'll know he's gonna make a controversial decision or 2 against United.
There would be nothing wrong with VAR if they just used it for obvious on field errors. Dives for penalties, players putting the ball in the back of the net with their hands or hands being used to stop the ball going into the net.
As for offside, the same rule needs to be applied there, an obvious on field error needs to be have been made and by that I mean there would need to be a clear gap of air between defender and attacker for a goal to be ruled out in the VAR room.
Making microscopic judgements by looking at frozen screens that no on field officials could possibly see, is an absolute joke. As a result fantastic goals are being chalked off because of ridiculous decisions being made in the VAR room.
Football is played , watched and officiated live, let's keep it that way. After goals are scored play should continue and only stopped if there is a clear on field error. Don't kill the emotion of fans celebrating 'good' goals, which is what is happening now. It's killing the joy of the game.
Its the PGMOL, they ruin football.
There are issues here.
We don’t know with your handball clips at around 1:20 if they’re from the same season. The handball law is changing every year, so you can’t compare one season with another.
The handball law has been screwed about with because people want it to be objective. Like you do in this video. You want a different law in the penalty area to the rest of the pitch. You want it to be ok for players to make themselves bigger by putting their arms out as long as they don’t ’move towards the ball'. Well, that’s just a charter for players to defend crosses with their arms out.
JUST USE COMMON SENSE! You say. Well, that will lead to every ref having their own interpretation of the law, which leads to the very inconsistencies you moan about at the start of the video.
With the Diaz offside there was no mechanism by which they could stop the game after the restart. They can’t just make it up as they go along.
I also get really bored with people talking about the impact, and missing out on Europe or getting relegated because of a decision. That just doesn’t happen. It’s one flap of the butterfly's wing. How about easy chances missed? Do Liverpool want to blame the ref for the Doku non penalty decision, or do they want to blame Diaz for missing chances before that would have made any controversy a moot point? Errors are part of the game. Both from officials and players.
There's a load of contradictions in here.
They won't use the offside tech that's used in the world cup and UCL. Why?! It's pathetic
Haha commented too quickly
Btw there's a typo in one of the frames mate. Not a Biggie just trying to help out for future videos. I've liked and subscribed
People are going to call me a boomer, but....
Monday fixtures. It started with Monday fixtures. People should never have stood for it. When they did, it gave the FA the green light and they knew they could get away with anything. Make no mistake, the premier league is a money whore league. You can criticize Spain's registration rules and say they favour the larger teams (and you'd be right, even if Barcelona were still somehow stupid enough to mess that up), you can criticize the insane unfairness of Ligue 1, the lunacy of Bundesliga or the questionable past of Serie A, but these are all still football leagues first and foremost. That trope of the PL being the leading domestic league in the world for ad revenue is an absolute rot, and every problem it has is downstream from there.
Still think Calvert Lewin was a red card
Sometimes it's just match fixing
Rubbish idea we should be able to hear them. They need to work as quick as possible and not worry what they are saying or not. It would slow it down if they knew they were being heard. We dont hear the refs yet, that should come first before that at the very least
When are you going to realize 'VAR' is the new match fixing scape goat 🤫
Managers don't help the situation. If the game hasn't gone their way they will critisize refereeing decisions that most people would say are clear and fair.
Maybe they don't however everyone is allowed their say, and after a decision doesn't go your way I guess it's only natural to express those emotions. At the end of the day they are just people. But yeah sometimes managers maybe don't help the situation.
it is Liverpool who gets screwed and your corrupt club benefits off of it! Of course you'd say something like this
var is fine just need ebtter officals watching get ex pros on it
Exactly my thoughts
It's not destroying the Championship
Love how you don't show any of the times man utd got robbed typical utd hater stop making videos
VAR is fine get over it
The concept of var is the usage isnt
Yeah let's get back to how easy it was to justify referee corruption with Human error...