I discovered Moeran, after hearing 'Whythorne Shadow' on the radio, and recorded it on a Music Cassette. That was 15 years ago. Now I am very familiar with his music. Great!
En vous baladant dans les prés du présent, vous pouvez cueillir des bouquets de fleurs folles et improbables, revenir avec de somptueux extraits de ce musicien sensible et écorché et vous dire que vous gagnez parfois du temps à ignorer tant de ces musiques contemporaines new age redondantes & futiles pour gagner en force et sérénité !
It's 100% Moeran I hear and what a what a great music it is. Even if Yates used a lot of glue to put things together, the music is glorious. It shows us what Moeran was up to in the final years of his life. Great music was written in Kenmare. And a big praise to the performers and recorders as well.
A great "maritime" symphony with beautiful themes. Far enough from his first "Symphony in G minor" (1937), very pastoral. More similar to Frederic Austin's "Symphony in E major" (1913), "The Sea Adventurers Overture" (1935) or these beautiful soundtracks of films of 40's. Excellent work and perfect performance of Martin Yates. Thank you Mario for this gift. Corentin Boissier (collectionCB, collectionCB2, collectionCB3 & collectionCB4)
This is the first time I am hearing this, and to my ears it sounds like pretty authentic Moeran. The handling of the strings is immediately reminiscent of passages in the G-minor symphony. If the effort needed to complete these sketches was relatively minimal, then most of what we're hearing is Moeran himself. My God, what a find!
Lets not try and pick the bones out of this. It sounds so Moeran, you could bet your house on it that he wrote it. Even if the talented Martin Yates tinkered with it slightly, so what. Just think ourselves lucky that we can now hear the masterpiece Moeran never heard. I think he'd be delighted with it.
yea i did some research. He did kind of sketch most of it out and then yea Yates mainly finished the orchestration and the few pieces that were missing He didn't know how he was going to structure it so I think it was John Ireland ( his teacher)who advised him to make it into one long movement . looking forward to listening to it another 20 times or so,
Writing in the Forum here at The Worldwide Moeran Database, Barry Marsh noted "Sadly there can be no 'realisation' or 'completion', whatever the word for it these days. 550 bars of music exists in short score, but after only 9 pages the sketches become disjointed with little or no fragments to point a further way. The MSS that is now in the Victorian College of Arts, Melbourne arrived there after a series of blunders and misfortunes...". And so it seems we will never hear the music which, for a while at least, so enthused and fired Jack and Lionel up all those years ago.
Yes there's plenty to delight MOERAN and Martin Yates fans here... Why make such a fuss about authenticity etc ? Thank all concerned for their musicology esp. BBC CO !
If you can track down Score magazine published in the 1970's there is an article it one of them on the sketches held at Melbourne. In it the writer explains how they are so fragmentary that the sym could NEVER be completed. I think John Ireland was asked to complete it in the 50's and he likewise said the task was impossible. There was simply not enough material to reconstruct anything.
If you know Moeran's Sinfonietta, then you will recognise one of the main themes replicated in this Symphony. The problem is there simply is not enough material to realise this work in the same way as Martin Yates' realisations of Cyril Scott's (early) Piano Concerto and Cello Concerto (this is worth the price of the disc alone!) and his orchestration of the Bax Symphony in F. It is very enjoyable, however.
Similar things were said of the Finale of Bruckner's 9th. It hasn't stopped realisations being fashioned from the sketches that survive - some well worth hearing. Same applies here.
I think the problem is a lack of certainty what Moeran‘s intentions for the structure of his symphony were. A one movement work would have sounded very different, but the material here sounds too discursive for a one movement symphony (like Sibelius‘s seventh?)
is this Sketches for symphony no 2 ,by John Ireland. Wonder how much makes up the sketches and how much was finished off. Thanks for uploading. I have also contributed an Moeran upload
rphcomposer The advanced sketches left by E. J. Moeran have been completed by conductor Martin Yates, as it's indicated in the text. To my knowledge, there's no link with John Ireland.
I discovered Moeran, after hearing 'Whythorne Shadow' on the radio, and recorded it on a Music Cassette. That was 15 years ago. Now I am very familiar with his music. Great!
I discovered Moeran 36 years ago hearing Lonely Waters on Radio 3 and recording it on a cassette too. What a journey it has been since
En vous baladant dans les prés du présent, vous pouvez cueillir des bouquets de fleurs folles et improbables, revenir avec de somptueux extraits de ce musicien sensible et écorché et vous dire que vous gagnez parfois du temps à ignorer tant de ces musiques contemporaines new age redondantes & futiles pour gagner en force et sérénité !
It's 100% Moeran I hear and what a what a great music it is. Even if Yates used a lot of glue to put things together, the music is glorious. It shows us what Moeran was up to in the final years of his life. Great music was written in Kenmare. And a big praise to the performers and recorders as well.
A great "maritime" symphony with beautiful themes. Far enough from his first "Symphony in G minor" (1937), very pastoral. More similar to Frederic Austin's "Symphony in E major" (1913), "The Sea Adventurers Overture" (1935) or these beautiful soundtracks of films of 40's. Excellent work and perfect performance of Martin Yates. Thank you Mario for this gift.
Corentin Boissier (collectionCB, collectionCB2, collectionCB3 & collectionCB4)
I'm real fine with it. Thanks for posting this
This is the first time I am hearing this, and to my ears it sounds like pretty authentic Moeran. The handling of the strings is immediately reminiscent of passages in the G-minor symphony. If the effort needed to complete these sketches was relatively minimal, then most of what we're hearing is Moeran himself. My God, what a find!
It certainly has the signature of Moeran all over it. This is my first hearing too. And, yes "What a find!"
Wonderful music, full of interesting melodic ideas. I'm so thankful there was an effort make this symphony "work". Great recording!
modern and magnificent masterpiece
Lets not try and pick the bones out of this. It sounds so Moeran, you could bet your house on it that he wrote it. Even if the talented Martin Yates tinkered with it slightly, so what. Just think ourselves lucky that we can now hear the masterpiece Moeran never heard. I think he'd be delighted with it.
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yea i did some research. He did kind of sketch most of it out and then yea Yates mainly finished the orchestration and the few pieces that were missing He didn't know how he was going to structure it so I think it was John Ireland ( his teacher)who advised him to make it into one long movement . looking forward to listening to it another 20 times or so,
Writing in the Forum here at The Worldwide Moeran Database, Barry Marsh noted "Sadly there can be no 'realisation' or 'completion', whatever the word for it these days. 550 bars of music exists in short score, but after only 9 pages the sketches become disjointed with little or no fragments to point a further way. The MSS that is now in the Victorian College of Arts, Melbourne arrived there after a series of blunders and misfortunes...". And so it seems we will never hear the music which, for a while at least, so enthused and fired Jack and Lionel up all those years ago.
Yes there's plenty to delight MOERAN and Martin Yates fans here... Why make such a fuss about authenticity etc ? Thank all concerned for their musicology esp. BBC CO !
Great!
If you can track down Score magazine published in the 1970's there is an article it one of them on the sketches held at Melbourne. In it the writer explains how they are so fragmentary that the sym could NEVER be completed. I think John Ireland was asked to complete it in the 50's and he likewise said the task was impossible. There was simply not enough material to reconstruct anything.
If you know Moeran's Sinfonietta, then you will recognise one of the main themes replicated in this Symphony. The problem is there simply is not enough material to realise this work in the same way as Martin Yates' realisations of Cyril Scott's (early) Piano Concerto and Cello Concerto (this is worth the price of the disc alone!) and his orchestration of the Bax Symphony in F. It is very enjoyable, however.
@@howardmcclellan2022 yes, you are right. I can here the Sinfonietta at the beginning of this symphony. It's almost quoted. Well spotted.
@@charlierumoldboi3939 Thank you! It is still a worthwhile piece though and I shall continue to enjoy it.
Similar things were said of the Finale of Bruckner's 9th. It hasn't stopped realisations being fashioned from the sketches that survive - some well worth hearing. Same applies here.
I think the problem is a lack of certainty what Moeran‘s intentions for the structure of his symphony were. A one movement work would have sounded very different, but the material here sounds too discursive for a one movement symphony (like Sibelius‘s seventh?)
is this Sketches for symphony no 2 ,by John Ireland.
Wonder how much makes up the sketches and how much was finished off.
Thanks for uploading. I have also contributed an Moeran upload
rphcomposer The advanced sketches left by E. J. Moeran have been completed by conductor Martin Yates, as it's indicated in the text. To my knowledge, there's no link with John Ireland.
Why is the orchestra and the conductor not stated ?
BBC CO / Martin Yates (BBC broadcast 1/6/2012)