As always, another great and informative video. I had no idea that the werewolf and the hag were once humans embracing their evil deeds and the darkness. I always thought that they were just a werewolf and the hag hiding somewhere for the right time to tempt Caspian to give into his fears and embrace the darkness. Thankful, Caspian was rescued. 🦁
This part of Prince Caspian reminds me of the story in the Bible where King Saul was impatiently waiting for Samuel to arrive and make sacrifices before a battle. When Samuel's arrival was delayed, Saul took it upon himself to conduct the sacrifices--with disastrous consequences.
Not sure if this is relevant, but my secondary school class and I had a different view of these two: They are Ill Advisors. The voices in our psyche that, though they have good points, should *not* be well heeded. ~The Werewolf is the Id. The primal, animalistic, reactionary side of us. The Id counsils thinking and reacting to the basic, carnal, right-in-front-of-you things. It can be helpful ("I am hunger, I am thirst"), but the Id is selfish, shortsighted, and does not take faith into its arguments (as the Werewolf does). ~The Hag is Reasonable Arguments. A figure of authority via experience giving, on the surface, sound advise and alternate solutions. And all under the veil of nonthreatence ("What harm could a poor old woman do to young Master?"). The Hag is alternate, non-faith tested methods of solving problems, regardless of price. Take from that what you will, if anything.
Funny fact related to the sponsor more than the video; I went to a public State University; while it wasn't a Christian College with Christian values, God still provided opportunities for me throughout my four years. From the Biology professor who challenged me to wear a Creation T-Shirt the first day of the unit on Evolution, and then followed through with giving me the 25 points extra credit and a thumbs up for standing behind my claim, to the course on Paganism and Christianity that gave me a deeper understanding of scripture by looking from the outside in, to the Latin Professor who recognized both my faith AND the fact that while I was a couple weeks behind the rest of the class in processing the information I was still on track and picking up the information and encouraged me to stick with it - even going so far to comment that he would be taking his final translation portion from one of three stories in the Vulgate.
I may not believe in Creationism, but I very much am still a Christian, and I can second you on studying other religions giving me a much deeper understanding of my own faith. Plus, it's just *interesting* to learn what similarities there are- how does XYZ tradition satisfy ABC need? Why might this culture's taboo be permissible by another one? They're all human answers to human questions. It's just *cool,* on top of imo being a necessary perspective to learn if you want to actually develop as a wiser person.
@@etcetera1995 I remember an article by a creationist he said you don’t have to believe in creationism to be a Christian. Because we both know that Jesus has an accepting him is what makes us a Christian. The reason for creationism. is because evolution compromises the Christian belief because think about it if God used evolution. Then that would mean he used death pain suffering over millions of years. To make us. And God saw everything he had made, and behold it was very good? That does not make any sense. And would God be dying for? It’s very contradictory God uses death to make us. And there was obviously already sin. So what’s the point of God dying for our sins? That’s why I stick to 100% of the Bible. And there are answers to the questions people have about that. But I don’t wanna get into a debate. God bless you. And maybe I’ll see you in another comment. Discussing more Narnia and more.
@@GreebleClown they also support gay marriage (the Vatican). There pretty good examples of compromised Christians. When it says clearly in the Bible. That it’s a sin. Not to say we shouldn’t love them and care for them. But what they do is not right. And if you read my comment. I already explained why it compromises Christian beliefs. so think about this so loving God creates us through death suffering and pain? if God use death suffering in pain and there was a sin in the world. Why would he come down to save us from our sin if he used it? Why would he come to save us from death if that’s what he used to make us and everything else in this world. In the fossil record. There are animals that had medical problems like aT-Rex had a tumor in its head. It says pretty clear in the Bible. And in exodus. For God created the world in six days and on the seventh day he rested. If you did read my comment. You would also know that you don’t need to believe in Creation to be a Christian . I know that fact. What I’m saying that it’s gonna be harder for you to share the gospel and not to mention the evolutionary theory came from a man who is anti-God. Think about it would you take Hitler view and say that it’s all right. Darn darling was also a racist. Actually an evolutionist. Said that when Darwin evolution came out racism increased and the Christians who were racist. Well that wasn’t part of the Bible that was just them not reading their Bible and making up their own things. I’ve never first Timothy always go back to the scriptures for correction and reproof. And it’s funny all the sciences we have like physics, the naming system for animals. And a whole Lotta other stuff. The foundations of those were made by Christians who didn’t believe in evolution. Do you know the man who coined the word dinosaur. Sir Richard Owen. He didn’t believe in evolution. He thought it was stupid. But anyway, I’m gonna stop now because this is a bit of lengthy comment. God bless.
In what culture? Or in what languages? Because that is not where the English word Witch comes from. And ironically, nightmares are often symbolized by horses, in art.
Great to see another video from this channel! My kids and I are re-reading Dawn Treader now and using it as a launcher for discussions about the 8 evil thoughts.
@@omnitrix1279 They're similar to the 7 deadly sins: luxuria, greed, wrath, sloth, sadness, gluttony, vainglory, and pride. See this channel's videos on the Dawn Treader.
I always thought the werewolf and hag were used because they are archetypes easily recognized by all children, moreso than obscure monsters like orknies, ettins, or cruels. The werewolf is the embodiment of animalistic -- often male -- rage, and the hag is the dark side of feminine power -- wisdom and cunning used for evil purposes.
Hah! It’s nice to see your annual Halloween video up! Good for you for keeping up tradition! I actually learned a lot, didn’t know about the origins of werewolves! It’s so cool that both the hag and the werewolf are both creatures that chose to be evil and let it consume them! You have to wonder what their origins were in the first place? Maybe they were Telmarines who saw profit in the dark arts and connected with some of Jadis’s old crew. Maybe they were descendants of native Narnian humans ( as seen in Horse and His Boy) who were bitter about the Telmarines conquest. Keep it up man! I always love seeing your videos!
It's true, C.S. Lewis researched a lot about legends and drew the negative characters of the Narnia saga from them. I have nothing else to say except this: great job. See you soon, I hope. 🦁
Huh, I never thought about that significant moment of the werewolf and the hag. I always thought since the werewolf and the hag were loyal to the White Witch, it's easier for them to blend in to the Talmarines. Thus, their appearnace to Caspian. Nice analysis!
I’ve read many things of Reddit and elsewhere about how dark and terrifying Tash’s introduction in the Last Battle. I’ve searched and read but can’t find it could you cover how and why the introduction to Tash and why it was so scary for many people!?
I know a couple of Navajo families, and both have separately told me they have seen skinwalkers and that only God protected them. I have decided I wish to know more about this.
In comics everyone always puts two characters that would fit together good, and some of them are great and others less so depending on the individual..... THIS IS A GREAT TEAM UP..... A witch and a werewolf sounds like a dangerous team if the witch can do magic along side with his strength... and now I know that that was a common "team-up" in medieval times - interesting.
"Oh Narnia is just a kid's story" yes but even stories pointed towards children can have terrifying characters where their passages will haunt even adults
I just read a book for young teens. Some guy kidnaps four orphans to use in an evil plan and murders the sick kid just for the purpose of scaring the others into cooperation. 💀 I think my mom was more traumatized about it than I was😂
As a child, I grew up with the Grimm fairy tales, and they could be pretty frightening and scary at times. But they still ended in a good way, that was the important thing.
@@Shritistrang agreed. I believe Don Bluth said it best "you can scare the hell out of kids but as long as you give them a happy ending then they're going to love everything that came before it."
I'm interested in the meaning of stags in Narnia, especially the white one in TLtWatW, that the siblings were hunting what led them back to earth. It might not be a huge topic but on this channel I've learned how much meaning seemingly unimportant things can carry.
Absolute superb analysis. Thank you. ( '... cave of five Black Dwarfs. They looked suspiciously at Caspian, but in the end the eldest of them said, ' If he is against Miraz, we'll have him for King. ' And the next eldest said, ' Shall we go farther up for you, up to the crags ? There's an Ogre and a Hag that we could introduce you to, up there.' (PC. p. 70 ) Presumably, Nikabrik ( Black Dwarf ), overhearing, brought this Hag into Aslan's How. By the way, wasnt Prince Caspian bitten by this werewolf ? Oddly, as traditional, did not turn into one ? Why so ? Is Lewis telling us something ? So many layers to these Narnian tales.
Thanks for the note, friend. Yes, I wish I had mentioned Caspian's bite in the video. I believe Lewis specifically inserted that moment to show viewers that this werewolf was not the same werewolf of modern mythology the readers would have expected. He was bitten, but didn't become a werewolf himself because it wasn't the Wolfman that bit him! Very clever, Mr. Clive!
Do you remember who played the Hag in the BBC's delightful adaptation of Prince Caspian? Barbara Kellerman. Who also of course played the White Witch and Green Witch. Super performances.
Great video, and so happy to see new content.🥳 Can you please explore the mystery of the beautiful bird that was in the Tree of life in the garden. I'm sure it is the representation of the Holy Spirit in Narnia, but I want to see if you have more information in the lore itself. Also it's probable connection to the albatross in Voyage. I think this topic would make an amazing video!🔥 God bless you greatly!
Thank u for exploring more about the werewolf and the hag These two were my favorite characters in Narnia, its too bad they dont have many appearances in the book Could u do Maugrim and the secret police next?
Interesting details, talking about OUTCASTS, it is simple to what I wrote in Narnia Scariest Creatures, I can see these two are the most hated of all the outcasts, fallen from grace in other words.
Thank you for this fascinating look at the folklore behind these spooky characters. I didn't know about a lot of it! God be with you out there, everybody. ✝️ :)
Presenting a suggestion before I hear the speaker's own explanation: the hag and werewolf are especially insidious compared to dark spirits or other corporeal, earthly monsters such as minotaurs, fauns or centaurs... Because they look like humans. Before the movie introduced hags as bird-women, they basically just looked like haggard old women, your typical wicked witch. And of course, the werewolf transformed part of the way into his beastly form- he had appeared as a man until things came to violence. Lewis used how human these two monsters look to illustrate how it can be a human's own fear and despair that can drive them to make horrible decisions, whether just unwise or actively evil.
Hey man thanks so much for making this video I don’t know if you remember me but we had that conversation in the comments about the werewolf. And how you told me how you believed hags and werewolf origin were connected somehow. Anyway again thank you so much for this video I know you will make more great ones . Also a little idea for you if you want it you probably know already about that line in the lion the witch and the wardrobe how Lewis said he couldn’t describe what the monsters at the stone table looked like because then the parents wouldn’t allow their kids to read the book. So the idea is maybe you could try to guess or make conclusions what the other monsters looked like cause some of them aren’t described and we don’t know what they look like. The common monsters we all know we have an idea of what they look like. But the others not a clue. OK then bye again love the video.
Wow! This is an amazing video! I always loved this chapter in Prince Caspian but never knew just how deep the symbolism of the two characters were. Thank you for this excellent essay, sir! Also, where do you get the background art for your videos? Are they AI generated? Just curious ☺️
There were actually several transformed characters in Narnia: Strawberry the talking horse was trransformed by Aslan into Fledge the flying horse. (In the Magician's Nephew.) The White witch transformed herself and her dwarf minion into a tree or something to hide from Aslan's army. Horse and His Boy: Rabadash was turned into a donkey, with the warning that if he ever ventured too far from Tashban after becoming human again, the transformation would happen again and be permanent. Several members of Telmar (pre-telmarine pirates) were transformed into animals by Aslan. Several children were transformed into pigs by Aslan in Prince Caspain. Eustace was tranformed intoa dragon, but it's possible that the draogn (whcih dragon Eustace ate after it died) may have been the Lord Octesian. Also, Aslan transforms himself into an albatross and later a lamb. The Lady of the Green Kirtle has the power to shape shift into a serpent (and may have been able to turn into other things.) The only book that I can't really think of where a transformation happens is The Last Battle.
Yes, you're correct that there are lots of instances of transformation/shapeshifting. There's even one mentioned in Lewis' unpublished timeline where Aslan himself turns a group of Telmarines into dumb beasts. To be clear, my point wasn't that these are the only two transformed creatures in all of Narnia, but that amongst all of the evil creatures listed, these are the only two that were originally human. I suppose the argument could be made for the lady of the Greek Kirtle's serpent form and Eustsce's dragon form, but I don't think they fit for a few reasons: 1. The green witch's transformation is a special manifestation of her magic, not a common "type" of creature like hags, werewolves, orkoes, woses, etc. 2. Eustace's is dragon transformation seems to be a special curse and not the regular origin of most dragons (at least not in any dragon mythology I found). So, yes, transformations are not unusual and Narnia--and some of those transformations involve monsters creatures. But werewolves and hags are the only type of creature whose mythology requires them to have been originally human. Make sense?
@@IntotheWardrobelet's not forget, how the children are transformed ( internally ) on their visits to Narnia. This is an important element often overlooked.
Question, is Aslan also the black cat and the panther in Horse and His Boy, and since Aslan is Jesus and no doubt the Christ figure in many other realms as well, could he morph into any form he wills to?
Thanks for posting. I forgot about the pig children! Lol. I probably could have explained this better in the video: The idea isn't that transformations are unique in Narnia. There are lots of examples! Used as the dragon, the Green Lady into the Serpent, Fledge into Strawberry, etc. But when it comes to monsters or evil creatures, these are the only two whose real-world mythology specifically involves human transformation. I believe that distinction is intentional. Make sense?
Oh and one more thing I forgot to put into my comment so I do like your opinion on the werewolf and it makes sense. But there’s just one thing though that I was hoping you would answer so when caspian is talking to nikabrick and his friends something I realized when the werewolf was talking to caspian he was obviously in human form as in he looked like a man but then when the conversation was getting more aggressive caspian said “ now I see who your friends are a hag and a werewolf” then the fighting broke out. Then Peter and Edmond and the dwarf came in the light was not they were fighting the dark and they killed all their enemies and then Peter made the comment and said “ and I suppose this thing is a werewolf it’s been so long since I’ve seen one wolf’s head man’s body that means he was just turning from man to wolf”.🐺 Also, did you find a little interesting that the werewolf unlike in most Hollywood movies about werewolves he didn’t turn back and caspian got bit but he didn’t turn into one. So are werewolves a race or what you said cause i think your point makes more sense but you might be interested in this anyway again great video.
Nice video, friend, i know those two still royal to the witch , creatures of her army almost royal to jadis are boggles,ogres,hags,werewolves of course hags and werewolves are almost evil creatures in narnia and never royal to aslan and after jadis and her army are Defeat they wre hunted by pevenies and they want revenge, nice video, brother .🎉🎉🎉😊😊😊
This might be a dumb question but in I guess modern (or old folkore) if there a term for a male equivalent to Hag. The best I’m thinking is Warlock but that’s more for witches so if any let me know (and this is for a world building idea I had where Hags are a species of creature and I wanted a name for the males of the species)
I would disagree with your take on werewolves before the movies. Skins and clothes to transform are common ways but they are far from the only one, ointments are very common, and in smaller numbers there are things like rolling in the dirt in specific places, bathing in certain bodies of water or just straight up being cursed by a magic user, by god, or being born with it and in these three cases there is usually no extra items or actions necessary to transform. Furthermore, revenge is not a common motif for transformation either, in the cases of being cursed by a magic user or being born with the ability, there is no connection to character, but when it is a punishment or a voluntary transformation it is usually considered a sign of the character of the person, aka being evil and the wolf shape is just an expression of this evilness. And these shapes often are wolves, albeit of unusual size and color in many cases, in some cases they have unusual features, like a certain likeness to their human faces, a missing tail, a shorter snout, or toes/fingers instead of paws.
Are you summarizing werewolf myths from a particular culture or era? I do concede in the video that even in the late medieval era the stories are varied, though the revenge motif is not uncommon, and the likeness-as-wolf seems to me most common, as I also mentioned. This is all from my research specifically for this video, so I'm certainly no expert, but I believe this limited scope is fair for the sake of discussion.
@@IntotheWardrobe I cover medieval and modern era werewolves, primarily from western and central europe as especially the german era was the epicenter of werewolf cases. In addition, werewolves do sometimes appear in medieval texts but they are most commonly a thing of the early modern period.
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Hey quick question. Out of curiosity. I don’t know if you saw my other comment but just to be short. And not to make a lengthy comment. So how do you think Prince Caspian figure it out it was a werewolf. Cause think about it he was obviously talking in his human form. How did Prince Caspian know? This is what led me to believe in my own alternative interpretation. Don’t give me wrong. I think your interpretation is fantastic and has the evidence you showed weighs in for it. But to me it seems like the werewolves in Narnia behave more like a race. Because Jadis referred to werewolves like they were race. Which I find interesting because like you said in most Hollywood movies it’s more different than werewolves in European culture and others. Instead of being an infection like in Harry Potter, they behave like a race. Because Caspian was bit, but he didn’t transform. Anyway, that’s all I have to say again thanks for the video.
It's a great question. We know that he was killed in the midst of his transformation, so maybe he had transformed enough to give Caspian a clue. Also maybe his monologue to Caspian off to his true nature. I'm not really sure, but it is something interesting to think about!
@@IntotheWardrobe Thanks. 🙏. And you know what the thing you said about the monologue the werewolf said that could maybe be it. I mean it does kinda scream werewolf a bit. I was thinking back to werewolf as a race in Narnia. That maybe like in the original European culture Lewis took the werewolf took from there. It said they could identify werewolves by bush eyebrows that connect, bad posture, hairy, and not very social,
Though the term witch is most commonly used to describe females , it is actually a gender neutral term for anyone who practices witchcraft. Yes, warlock or even wizard are also synonymous with male witches, it is also correct to say male witch.
I swear the werewolves were so NERFED in Narnia. Where was the nigh unstoppable force of nature? Where was the aura of power and ferocity that instills terror in all their enemies? Where was the howling and roaring that sends men running for the hills? As cool as the look for the werewolves is, their prowess was so underwhelming and insulting to lycanthropes to be honest. They should be amongst the most powerful beings in Narnia like in folklore.
Well they did installed fear. And not to mention the werewolf did bite prince caspian before it got killed. And they were allies to jadis. I think the werewolf you’re thinking of is the holly wood versions like van hellsing or twighlight or underworld. And they were powerful. But Lewis stuck to traditional werewolves as in they just turned into wolfs but they still were powerful. Also not to mention this werewolf isn’t bound by the moon they can turn anytime they want and they have no pain when they transform. I think in Narnia they were definitely considered deadly creatures I remember when the kids in lion witch and the wardrobe grew up and became kings and queens werewolves were some of the things they had to deal with. Anyway I see what mean and it’s understandable. I hope this comment was good info. God bless.
hey well again understandable. In my opinion they were portrayed correctly with strength. Not to go too crazy with it. And think about it the Narnian werewolf is pretty cool still like how they don’t need a full moon to transform or that when you kill them they don’t turn back into there human forms they stay the same or even in mid transformation which to me is fascinating. Werewolf in Narnia in my opinion are strong creatures but not like crazy super man level strong. But again get what you mean.
Maybe, but one important thing to remember in this scene is that the werewolf was killed before he was fully transformed. Possibly that could have made all the difference.
Some of the information about the medieval hag and werewolf is incorrect due to an emphasis on the Christian perspective. Firstly, werewolves sometimes transformed from within rather than needing an external catalyst. The idea that hags had to make deals with the devil was only added after the arrival of Christianity in Celtic lands. Originally, hags were seen as powerful, wise women who often helped the hero. While they could choose to act with malice, many used their knowledge and abilities for good. The concept of the werewolf was also highly complex. Depending on the region in Celtic lands, werewolves varied: some were intelligent wolves, some were sorcerers, and others were wolves who could take on human form. As for the incubus, it was believed to be a person in life who, upon death, became a demon to continue his work. The Christian reinterpretation simplified these stories to fit a black-and-white worldview, and as powerful female figures did not align with this, hags were cast aside or vilified.
Thanks for the post. You're absolutely right that (as I also mentioned in the video) the lore surrounding these beings is absolutely broad and varied. The lore emphasized here is based on many of the common themes that began to coalesce in the late medieval period. Obviously the Hag mythology reflected in the Capsian scene is not one based on a good hag. Even still, I was shocked in my research at how diverse the lore was across a wide range of cultures. I think the Dutch mythology is particularly interesting!
Hey 👋 love your comment. Also I was interested about the thing you said at the end. I found it ironic not the comment but how you said the strong female figure didn’t fit European Christians viewed so they vilified the hag. But I think that’s mainly influenced by the culture and not necessarily the Bible cause here’s the ironic part I there are strong female figures in the Bible like Deborah the female prophetess and Queen Ester and a minor prophetess it’s really fascinating and awesome. Not only were there male prophets but also female. Anyway again love your comment. And the things you said about werewolves really interesting information.
So the Christians are biased, even vilify a group of people and over-simplify things? Good to know they must be the only ones participating in that vice. 😂
@@richardwalenga1688 well I would call them false Christian’s. Or Christians who were not actually sticking to the teachings of the Bible I assumed you read my comment. I think your correct only I think there bias was influenced by their culture and setting and sometimes made up things that weren’t even part of Christianity. They are what I called compromised Christians. I remember Saint Patrick he was captured by Celtics I believe. They would sacrifice humans and burden them alive the celts and he was a slave. One day escaped but then God called him back to that same place. He was slave to help the people that enslaved him. And he did. And that’s why there’s a St. Patrick’s Day. Anyway God bless. Also they weren’t the only group that were biased and made things black and white other cultures did it too.
The biggest thing that gets me is, EVERY “medievalist” scholar is also heavily biased towards Catholicism. Where are all the other viewpoints on medieval events and mythology? Oh. Right.
Love your channel and material. Actually, it was the videos here that got me interested in actually finally going and reading (or listening to, audiobooks and whatnot) the Narnia books, so I have to thank you for that! On a side note, I've always been curious what the music you're playing in the background of the videos is. Is it something specifically for the channel, movie score, or some non-copyright stuff, and if so, where can I listen to it? God bless, friend! Maranatha!
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As always, another great and informative video. I had no idea that the werewolf and the hag were once humans embracing their evil deeds and the darkness. I always thought that they were just a werewolf and the hag hiding somewhere for the right time to tempt Caspian to give into his fears and embrace the darkness. Thankful, Caspian was rescued. 🦁
This part of Prince Caspian reminds me of the story in the Bible where King Saul was impatiently waiting for Samuel to arrive and make sacrifices before a battle. When Samuel's arrival was delayed, Saul took it upon himself to conduct the sacrifices--with disastrous consequences.
Not sure if this is relevant, but my secondary school class and I had a different view of these two:
They are Ill Advisors. The voices in our psyche that, though they have good points, should *not* be well heeded.
~The Werewolf is the Id. The primal, animalistic, reactionary side of us. The Id counsils thinking and reacting to the basic, carnal, right-in-front-of-you things. It can be helpful ("I am hunger, I am thirst"), but the Id is selfish, shortsighted, and does not take faith into its arguments (as the Werewolf does).
~The Hag is Reasonable Arguments. A figure of authority via experience giving, on the surface, sound advise and alternate solutions. And all under the veil of nonthreatence ("What harm could a poor old woman do to young Master?"). The Hag is alternate, non-faith tested methods of solving problems, regardless of price.
Take from that what you will, if anything.
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Same as C S Lewis' work. Praised be Eru-Ilúvatar, for we are wise enough to appreciate it.
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Thanks for exploring the history of the hag and werewolf in Anglophone lore. C.S. Lewis had a reason for putting them in Prince Caspian.
Funny fact related to the sponsor more than the video; I went to a public State University; while it wasn't a Christian College with Christian values, God still provided opportunities for me throughout my four years. From the Biology professor who challenged me to wear a Creation T-Shirt the first day of the unit on Evolution, and then followed through with giving me the 25 points extra credit and a thumbs up for standing behind my claim, to the course on Paganism and Christianity that gave me a deeper understanding of scripture by looking from the outside in, to the Latin Professor who recognized both my faith AND the fact that while I was a couple weeks behind the rest of the class in processing the information I was still on track and picking up the information and encouraged me to stick with it - even going so far to comment that he would be taking his final translation portion from one of three stories in the Vulgate.
I may not believe in Creationism, but I very much am still a Christian, and I can second you on studying other religions giving me a much deeper understanding of my own faith. Plus, it's just *interesting* to learn what similarities there are- how does XYZ tradition satisfy ABC need? Why might this culture's taboo be permissible by another one? They're all human answers to human questions. It's just *cool,* on top of imo being a necessary perspective to learn if you want to actually develop as a wiser person.
@@etcetera1995 I remember an article by a creationist he said you don’t have to believe in creationism to be a Christian. Because we both know that Jesus has an accepting him is what makes us a Christian. The reason for creationism. is because evolution compromises the Christian belief because think about it if God used evolution. Then that would mean he used death pain suffering over millions of years. To make us. And God saw everything he had made, and behold it was very good? That does not make any sense. And would God be dying for? It’s very contradictory God uses death to make us. And there was obviously already sin. So what’s the point of God dying for our sins? That’s why I stick to 100% of the Bible. And there are answers to the questions people have about that. But I don’t wanna get into a debate. God bless you. And maybe I’ll see you in another comment. Discussing more Narnia and more.
@@RodericGurrola evolution does not compromise Christian beliefs? The Vatican supports evolution theory.
@@GreebleClown they also support gay marriage (the Vatican). There pretty good examples of compromised Christians. When it says clearly in the Bible. That it’s a sin. Not to say we shouldn’t love them and care for them. But what they do is not right. And if you read my comment. I already explained why it compromises Christian beliefs. so think about this so loving God creates us through death suffering and pain? if God use death suffering in pain and there was a sin in the world. Why would he come down to save us from our sin if he used it? Why would he come to save us from death if that’s what he used to make us and everything else in this world. In the fossil record. There are animals that had medical problems like aT-Rex had a tumor in its head. It says pretty clear in the Bible. And in exodus. For God created the world in six days and on the seventh day he rested. If you did read my comment. You would also know that you don’t need to believe in Creation to be a Christian . I know that fact. What I’m saying that it’s gonna be harder for you to share the gospel and not to mention the evolutionary theory came from a man who is anti-God. Think about it would you take Hitler view and say that it’s all right. Darn darling was also a racist. Actually an evolutionist. Said that when Darwin evolution came out racism increased and the Christians who were racist. Well that wasn’t part of the Bible that was just them not reading their Bible and making up their own things. I’ve never first Timothy always go back to the scriptures for correction and reproof. And it’s funny all the sciences we have like physics, the naming system for animals. And a whole Lotta other stuff. The foundations of those were made by Christians who didn’t believe in evolution. Do you know the man who coined the word dinosaur. Sir Richard Owen. He didn’t believe in evolution. He thought it was stupid. But anyway, I’m gonna stop now because this is a bit of lengthy comment. God bless.
@@GreebleClown You assume that the Vatican never compromises Christian belief.
Nearly every serious Protestant would disagree with that assumption.
Today I learned that "nightmare" was originally a name for a witch, and that "mare" isn't only used as a word for a female horse
In what culture? Or in what languages? Because that is not where the English word Witch comes from. And ironically, nightmares are often symbolized by horses, in art.
@@gabrieladerre2862 I refer to the song "Tennessee Stud" when talking about the horse part, and also My Little Pony, in that order
I'd never heard that bit about the werewolf before. I guess as a kid I'd always just assumed it was just there to be scary
The Twilight Saga has a pretty accurate description of werewolves with Jacob being able to transform at will and then beefing with Edward who’s a vau
Great to see another video from this channel! My kids and I are re-reading Dawn Treader now and using it as a launcher for discussions about the 8 evil thoughts.
@@doateacher6492 8 evil thoughts?
@@omnitrix1279 They're similar to the 7 deadly sins: luxuria, greed, wrath, sloth, sadness, gluttony, vainglory, and pride. See this channel's videos on the Dawn Treader.
That's wonderful! Thanks for sharing.
I always thought the werewolf and hag were used because they are archetypes easily recognized by all children, moreso than obscure monsters like orknies, ettins, or cruels. The werewolf is the embodiment of animalistic -- often male -- rage, and the hag is the dark side of feminine power -- wisdom and cunning used for evil purposes.
Hey not a bad interpretation pretty good 👍🏻
Hah! It’s nice to see your annual Halloween video up! Good for you for keeping up tradition! I actually learned a lot, didn’t know about the origins of werewolves! It’s so cool that both the hag and the werewolf are both creatures that chose to be evil and let it consume them! You have to wonder what their origins were in the first place? Maybe they were Telmarines who saw profit in the dark arts and connected with some of Jadis’s old crew. Maybe they were descendants of native Narnian humans ( as seen in Horse and His Boy) who were bitter about the Telmarines conquest. Keep it up man! I always love seeing your videos!
It's true, C.S. Lewis researched a lot about legends and drew the negative characters of the Narnia saga from them.
I have nothing else to say except this: great job.
See you soon, I hope. 🦁
I especially liked this one...I mean I like them all, but I love th deeper research and connections made here. Well done!
Huh, I never thought about that significant moment of the werewolf and the hag. I always thought since the werewolf and the hag were loyal to the White Witch, it's easier for them to blend in to the Talmarines. Thus, their appearnace to Caspian.
Nice analysis!
I’ve read many things of Reddit and elsewhere about how dark and terrifying Tash’s introduction in the Last Battle. I’ve searched and read but can’t find it could you cover how and why the introduction to Tash and why it was so scary for many people!?
Excellent video! C.S. Lewis was a genius writer!
It would be cool if you also explored where the giants came from.
Absolutely enjoy your videos and the lore you bring about Narnia. Keep it up ✨
Glad you enjoy it!
in addition, the Navajo lore indicates that a skin walker must kill a family member in order to seal their power.
I know a couple of Navajo families, and both have separately told me they have seen skinwalkers and that only God protected them. I have decided I wish to know more about this.
I am so enjoying this channel. I didn't realize it was a Christian channel! You have a subscriber for life!!
In comics everyone always puts two characters that would fit together good, and some of them are great and others less so depending on the individual..... THIS IS A GREAT TEAM UP..... A witch and a werewolf sounds like a dangerous team if the witch can do magic along side with his strength... and now I know that that was a common "team-up" in medieval times - interesting.
And in comics there's always been villian teams like Sinister Six and the Injustice League.
This video was so freaking interesting! It's still insane that you have less than 100 k subs.
Wow, thank you!
I’ve been waiting for this one for a while!!!
Excited to watch it
"Oh Narnia is just a kid's story" yes but even stories pointed towards children can have terrifying characters where their passages will haunt even adults
Yeah, I've just been reading a series for teens and kids. 22 pages into the first book, a sick orphan was murdered💀😂
I just read a book for young teens. Some guy kidnaps four orphans to use in an evil plan and murders the sick kid just for the purpose of scaring the others into cooperation. 💀 I think my mom was more traumatized about it than I was😂
As a child, I grew up with the Grimm fairy tales, and they could be pretty frightening and scary at times. But they still ended in a good way, that was the important thing.
@@Shritistrang agreed. I believe Don Bluth said it best "you can scare the hell out of kids but as long as you give them a happy ending then they're going to love everything that came before it."
I learned a lot in this video 😁 thank you, intothewardrobe!! ❤ Clive Staples was truly a genius! I can't say that enough.
That was really interesting. Thanks for making this video!
I'm interested in the meaning of stags in Narnia, especially the white one in TLtWatW, that the siblings were hunting what led them back to earth. It might not be a huge topic but on this channel I've learned how much meaning seemingly unimportant things can carry.
Absolute superb analysis. Thank you.
( '... cave of five Black Dwarfs. They looked suspiciously at Caspian, but in the end the eldest of them said, ' If he is against Miraz, we'll have him for King. ' And the next eldest said, ' Shall we go farther up for you, up to the crags ? There's an Ogre and a Hag that we could introduce you to, up there.' (PC. p. 70 )
Presumably, Nikabrik ( Black Dwarf ), overhearing, brought this Hag into Aslan's How.
By the way, wasnt Prince Caspian bitten by this werewolf ? Oddly, as traditional, did not turn into one ? Why so ? Is Lewis telling us something ? So many layers to these Narnian tales.
Thanks for the note, friend. Yes, I wish I had mentioned Caspian's bite in the video. I believe Lewis specifically inserted that moment to show viewers that this werewolf was not the same werewolf of modern mythology the readers would have expected. He was bitten, but didn't become a werewolf himself because it wasn't the Wolfman that bit him! Very clever, Mr. Clive!
@@IntotheWardrobe Very clever, Mr Stuart.
Do you remember who played the Hag in the BBC's delightful adaptation of Prince Caspian? Barbara Kellerman. Who also of course played the White Witch and Green Witch. Super performances.
Great video, and so happy to see new content.🥳
Can you please explore the mystery of the beautiful bird that was in the Tree of life in the garden. I'm sure it is the representation of the Holy Spirit in Narnia, but I want to see if you have more information in the lore itself. Also it's probable connection to the albatross in Voyage.
I think this topic would make an amazing video!🔥
God bless you greatly!
Always glad for a new Narnia video in Spoopy season.
Thank u for exploring more about the werewolf and the hag
These two were my favorite characters in Narnia, its too bad they dont have many appearances in the book
Could u do Maugrim and the secret police next?
Interesting details, talking about OUTCASTS, it is simple to what I wrote in Narnia Scariest Creatures, I can see these two are the most hated of all the outcasts, fallen from grace in other words.
wow i never thought of the scene like that. thank you for making this video. i am trying to get my friend to read the series
Thank you for this fascinating look at the folklore behind these spooky characters. I didn't know about a lot of it!
God be with you out there, everybody. ✝️ :)
Presenting a suggestion before I hear the speaker's own explanation: the hag and werewolf are especially insidious compared to dark spirits or other corporeal, earthly monsters such as minotaurs, fauns or centaurs... Because they look like humans. Before the movie introduced hags as bird-women, they basically just looked like haggard old women, your typical wicked witch. And of course, the werewolf transformed part of the way into his beastly form- he had appeared as a man until things came to violence. Lewis used how human these two monsters look to illustrate how it can be a human's own fear and despair that can drive them to make horrible decisions, whether just unwise or actively evil.
Also, Jadis was a witch and Maugrim was her #2. These two and their folk stood to gain the most standing in her return.
Hey man thanks so much for making this video I don’t know if you remember me but we had that conversation in the comments about the werewolf. And how you told me how you believed hags and werewolf origin were connected somehow. Anyway again thank you so much for this video I know you will make more great ones . Also a little idea for you if you want it you probably know already about that line in the lion the witch and the wardrobe how Lewis said he couldn’t describe what the monsters at the stone table looked like because then the parents wouldn’t allow their kids to read the book. So the idea is maybe you could try to guess or make conclusions what the other monsters looked like cause some of them aren’t described and we don’t know what they look like. The common monsters we all know we have an idea of what they look like. But the others not a clue. OK then bye again love the video.
Wow! This is an amazing video! I always loved this chapter in Prince Caspian but never knew just how deep the symbolism of the two characters were. Thank you for this excellent essay, sir!
Also, where do you get the background art for your videos? Are they AI generated? Just curious ☺️
I was under the impression that they were descendants of the remnants of The White Witch’s followers.
There were actually several transformed characters in Narnia:
Strawberry the talking horse was trransformed by Aslan into Fledge the flying horse. (In the Magician's Nephew.)
The White witch transformed herself and her dwarf minion into a tree or something to hide from Aslan's army.
Horse and His Boy: Rabadash was turned into a donkey, with the warning that if he ever ventured too far from Tashban after becoming human again, the transformation would happen again and be permanent.
Several members of Telmar (pre-telmarine pirates) were transformed into animals by Aslan.
Several children were transformed into pigs by Aslan in Prince Caspain.
Eustace was tranformed intoa dragon, but it's possible that the draogn (whcih dragon Eustace ate after it died) may have been the Lord Octesian. Also, Aslan transforms himself into an albatross and later a lamb.
The Lady of the Green Kirtle has the power to shape shift into a serpent (and may have been able to turn into other things.)
The only book that I can't really think of where a transformation happens is The Last Battle.
Yes, you're correct that there are lots of instances of transformation/shapeshifting. There's even one mentioned in Lewis' unpublished timeline where Aslan himself turns a group of Telmarines into dumb beasts.
To be clear, my point wasn't that these are the only two transformed creatures in all of Narnia, but that amongst all of the evil creatures listed, these are the only two that were originally human. I suppose the argument could be made for the lady of the Greek Kirtle's serpent form and Eustsce's dragon form, but I don't think they fit for a few reasons: 1. The green witch's transformation is a special manifestation of her magic, not a common "type" of creature like hags, werewolves, orkoes, woses, etc.
2. Eustace's is dragon transformation seems to be a special curse and not the regular origin of most dragons (at least not in any dragon mythology I found).
So, yes, transformations are not unusual and Narnia--and some of those transformations involve monsters creatures. But werewolves and hags are the only type of creature whose mythology requires them to have been originally human. Make sense?
@@IntotheWardrobe makes sense to me.
@@IntotheWardrobelet's not forget, how the children are transformed ( internally ) on their visits to Narnia. This is an important element often overlooked.
Question, is Aslan also the black cat and the panther in Horse and His Boy, and since Aslan is Jesus and no doubt the Christ figure in many other realms as well, could he morph into any form he wills to?
@@AriMichaelNoahArlert probably he can take any form he wants.
I think you're forgetting about Rabadash (who was turned into a donkey) and the children in Prince Caspian who may have become pigs
well, those weren't really monsters per say, so I'm not sure if you could put them in the same category as these two.
Thanks for posting. I forgot about the pig children! Lol. I probably could have explained this better in the video: The idea isn't that transformations are unique in Narnia. There are lots of examples! Used as the dragon, the Green Lady into the Serpent, Fledge into Strawberry, etc. But when it comes to monsters or evil creatures, these are the only two whose real-world mythology specifically involves human transformation. I believe that distinction is intentional. Make sense?
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Does this mean that Prince Caspian is the only movie to portray a werewolf that got his abilities by making a deal with the devil?
This scene was amazingly done albeit somewhat different too but with harsher meaning on the 2008 movie adaptation of the story!
I thought it was beautiful and wasn't looking for exact detail. No book is ever done as we individually visualize it.
Oh and one more thing I forgot to put into my comment so I do like your opinion on the werewolf and it makes sense. But there’s just one thing though that I was hoping you would answer so when caspian is talking to nikabrick and his friends something I realized when the werewolf was talking to caspian he was obviously in human form as in he looked like a man but then when the conversation was getting more aggressive caspian said “ now I see who your friends are a hag and a werewolf” then the fighting broke out. Then Peter and Edmond and the dwarf came in the light was not they were fighting the dark and they killed all their enemies and then Peter made the comment and said “ and I suppose this thing is a werewolf it’s been so long since I’ve seen one wolf’s head man’s body that means he was just turning from man to wolf”.🐺 Also, did you find a little interesting that the werewolf unlike in most Hollywood movies about werewolves he didn’t turn back and caspian got bit but he didn’t turn into one. So are werewolves a race or what you said cause i think your point makes more sense but you might be interested in this anyway again great video.
Interesting!
Nice video, friend, i know those two still royal to the witch , creatures of her army almost royal to jadis are boggles,ogres,hags,werewolves of course hags and werewolves are almost evil creatures in narnia and never royal to aslan and after jadis and her army are Defeat they wre hunted by pevenies and they want revenge, nice video, brother .🎉🎉🎉😊😊😊
maybe about the orgins of caspian
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This might be a dumb question but in I guess modern (or old folkore) if there a term for a male equivalent to Hag. The best I’m thinking is Warlock but that’s more for witches so if any let me know (and this is for a world building idea I had where Hags are a species of creature and I wanted a name for the males of the species)
Because as soon as we read "hag and werewolf" we know that they're not to be trusted.
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Most werewolves don;t look like dogs they look like a hairy man .
I would disagree with your take on werewolves before the movies. Skins and clothes to transform are common ways but they are far from the only one, ointments are very common, and in smaller numbers there are things like rolling in the dirt in specific places, bathing in certain bodies of water or just straight up being cursed by a magic user, by god, or being born with it and in these three cases there is usually no extra items or actions necessary to transform. Furthermore, revenge is not a common motif for transformation either, in the cases of being cursed by a magic user or being born with the ability, there is no connection to character, but when it is a punishment or a voluntary transformation it is usually considered a sign of the character of the person, aka being evil and the wolf shape is just an expression of this evilness. And these shapes often are wolves, albeit of unusual size and color in many cases, in some cases they have unusual features, like a certain likeness to their human faces, a missing tail, a shorter snout, or toes/fingers instead of paws.
Are you summarizing werewolf myths from a particular culture or era? I do concede in the video that even in the late medieval era the stories are varied, though the revenge motif is not uncommon, and the likeness-as-wolf seems to me most common, as I also mentioned. This is all from my research specifically for this video, so I'm certainly no expert, but I believe this limited scope is fair for the sake of discussion.
@@IntotheWardrobe I cover medieval and modern era werewolves, primarily from western and central europe as especially the german era was the epicenter of werewolf cases. In addition, werewolves do sometimes appear in medieval texts but they are most commonly a thing of the early modern period.
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I understand that where wolfs appeared in Middle Earth
Hey quick question. Out of curiosity. I don’t know if you saw my other comment but just to be short. And not to make a lengthy comment. So how do you think Prince Caspian figure it out it was a werewolf. Cause think about it he was obviously talking in his human form. How did Prince Caspian know? This is what led me to believe in my own alternative interpretation. Don’t give me wrong. I think your interpretation is fantastic and has the evidence you showed weighs in for it. But to me it seems like the werewolves in Narnia behave more like a race. Because Jadis referred to werewolves like they were race. Which I find interesting because like you said in most Hollywood movies it’s more different than werewolves in European culture and others. Instead of being an infection like in Harry Potter, they behave like a race. Because Caspian was bit, but he didn’t transform. Anyway, that’s all I have to say again thanks for the video.
It's a great question. We know that he was killed in the midst of his transformation, so maybe he had transformed enough to give Caspian a clue. Also maybe his monologue to Caspian off to his true nature. I'm not really sure, but it is something interesting to think about!
@@IntotheWardrobe Thanks. 🙏. And you know what the thing you said about the monologue the werewolf said that could maybe be it. I mean it does kinda scream werewolf a bit. I was thinking back to werewolf as a race in Narnia. That maybe like in the original European culture Lewis took the werewolf took from there. It said they could identify werewolves by bush eyebrows that connect, bad posture, hairy, and not very social,
There's no need to say "female witches" because ALL witches are female. A "male witch" is called a warlock.
Though the term witch is most commonly used to describe females , it is actually a gender neutral term for anyone who practices witchcraft. Yes, warlock or even wizard are also synonymous with male witches, it is also correct to say male witch.
I swear the werewolves were so NERFED in Narnia. Where was the nigh unstoppable force of nature? Where was the aura of power and ferocity that instills terror in all their enemies? Where was the howling and roaring that sends men running for the hills? As cool as the look for the werewolves is, their prowess was so underwhelming and insulting to lycanthropes to be honest. They should be amongst the most powerful beings in Narnia like in folklore.
Well they did installed fear. And not to mention the werewolf did bite prince caspian before it got killed. And they were allies to jadis. I think the werewolf you’re thinking of is the holly wood versions like van hellsing or twighlight or underworld. And they were powerful. But Lewis stuck to traditional werewolves as in they just turned into wolfs but they still were powerful. Also not to mention this werewolf isn’t bound by the moon they can turn anytime they want and they have no pain when they transform. I think in Narnia they were definitely considered deadly creatures I remember when the kids in lion witch and the wardrobe grew up and became kings and queens werewolves were some of the things they had to deal with. Anyway I see what mean and it’s understandable. I hope this comment was good info. God bless.
@RodericGurrola It just felt like they weren't as strong as they should've been.
hey well again understandable. In my opinion they were portrayed correctly with strength. Not to go too crazy with it. And think about it the Narnian werewolf is pretty cool still like how they don’t need a full moon to transform or that when you kill them they don’t turn back into there human forms they stay the same or even in mid transformation which to me is fascinating. Werewolf in Narnia in my opinion are strong creatures but not like crazy super man level strong. But again get what you mean.
Maybe, but one important thing to remember in this scene is that the werewolf was killed before he was fully transformed. Possibly that could have made all the difference.
@IntotheWardrobe Maybe it's my bias that i love werewolves, it's just I see werewolves being nerfed and disrespected so often in fiction.
Some of the information about the medieval hag and werewolf is incorrect due to an emphasis on the Christian perspective. Firstly, werewolves sometimes transformed from within rather than needing an external catalyst. The idea that hags had to make deals with the devil was only added after the arrival of Christianity in Celtic lands. Originally, hags were seen as powerful, wise women who often helped the hero. While they could choose to act with malice, many used their knowledge and abilities for good.
The concept of the werewolf was also highly complex. Depending on the region in Celtic lands, werewolves varied: some were intelligent wolves, some were sorcerers, and others were wolves who could take on human form. As for the incubus, it was believed to be a person in life who, upon death, became a demon to continue his work. The Christian reinterpretation simplified these stories to fit a black-and-white worldview, and as powerful female figures did not align with this, hags were cast aside or vilified.
Thanks for the post. You're absolutely right that (as I also mentioned in the video) the lore surrounding these beings is absolutely broad and varied. The lore emphasized here is based on many of the common themes that began to coalesce in the late medieval period. Obviously the Hag mythology reflected in the Capsian scene is not one based on a good hag.
Even still, I was shocked in my research at how diverse the lore was across a wide range of cultures. I think the Dutch mythology is particularly interesting!
@@IntotheWardrobe Yes I understand your point. And glad to see you posting haven't seen your vids in a wile.
Hey 👋 love your comment. Also I was interested about the thing you said at the end. I found it ironic not the comment but how you said the strong female figure didn’t fit European Christians viewed so they vilified the hag. But I think that’s mainly influenced by the culture and not necessarily the Bible cause here’s the ironic part I there are strong female figures in the Bible like Deborah the female prophetess and Queen Ester and a minor prophetess it’s really fascinating and awesome. Not only were there male prophets but also female. Anyway again love your comment. And the things you said about werewolves really interesting information.
So the Christians are biased, even vilify a group of people and over-simplify things? Good to know they must be the only ones participating in that vice. 😂
@@richardwalenga1688 well I would call them false Christian’s. Or Christians who were not actually sticking to the teachings of the Bible I assumed you read my comment. I think your correct only I think there bias was influenced by their culture and setting and sometimes made up things that weren’t even part of Christianity. They are what I called compromised Christians. I remember Saint Patrick he was captured by Celtics I believe. They would sacrifice humans and burden them alive the celts and he was a slave. One day escaped but then God called him back to that same place. He was slave to help the people that enslaved him. And he did. And that’s why there’s a St. Patrick’s Day. Anyway God bless. Also they weren’t the only group that were biased and made things black and white other cultures did it too.
The biggest thing that gets me is, EVERY “medievalist” scholar is also heavily biased towards Catholicism.
Where are all the other viewpoints on medieval events and mythology?
Oh. Right.
Is this a joke of some sort, cause I’m confused? Could you please explain.
@@ForagingOnward C.S. Lewis was Anglican.
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Love your channel and material. Actually, it was the videos here that got me interested in actually finally going and reading (or listening to, audiobooks and whatnot) the Narnia books, so I have to thank you for that!
On a side note, I've always been curious what the music you're playing in the background of the videos is. Is it something specifically for the channel, movie score, or some non-copyright stuff, and if so, where can I listen to it?
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