I’ve come across so many electricians, mostly on social media saying “An Installation should be inspected and tested to the wiring regulations it was installed to”… Thank goodness you’ve made this video and cleared this up. I’ve always told them an installation is inspected and tested to the current wiring regulations but it often falls on deaf ears.
An eicr isn't unsafe if it's not to current regs are you saying it is .are you saying that plastic consumer units are not safe are you saying because it's got no Spd it's not safe so there fore it should be inspected and tested to the reg it was installed to these things are c3s surly because too many cowboy electricians fail an eicr because it's plastic and a ropey metal one is installed and it's more unsafe then the plastic one
The way he explains no one could ever, I’m watching hes videos and it’s so helpful My friend recommended him since I’ve learned more knowledge then college!
I ve been doing EICR for 15 years and I can’t agree with you more but Very last part of your video was very very correct and beautifully said I watch all your clips. And you have class of your own Thank you very much Dave
Fantastic, im a DIYer but also looking to become a Domestic Installer - No interest in career change but so I can self cert and support friends family. The industry seems geared against people like me (no doubt due to cowboys and DIY daves). Im doing my 18th Ed, Isnt & Test and PP currently and looking to join a EIC evening course (although I think it would be over 2 years from what I am reading). Your series is a fantastic resource, thankyou for sharing and making available.
I'm a Dave, but no offence taken. Build up your skills gradually, and photograph, record everything you do, however silly it might seem at the time. It will all make up your skills portfolio. Start on small jobs that don't need notifying, in parallel with your current work. Jobs that are within your skill level. When you do register with a Competent person scheme, you will have plenty of evidence of what you have done. Good luck and keep watching. Dave.
Hello mate have you got any videos about how to navigate the inservice inspection and testing of electrical equipment 5th edition code of practice. struggling to find answers. would really appreciate it
I really like the way you explain the subject Many thanks to you Do you have online classes and give certificate at the end of the course If not can you please guide me to do so Best regards
I don't do face to face teaching any more. When looking for a training centre I always tell people to actually visit at least three training centres in person. Look at the centre, get them to show you what facilities they have, ask questions. Do not go by the first centre that you telephone because they will knock £50 off if you part with your £3000 now. Take your time and find the centre that feels right for you.
There was a picture of a metal clad socket with an unglanded twin and earth entering the box in your presentation under the section C1. Would this not be an example of a C2? 2 actions needed. Perhaps in terms of ingress protection you could argue that a finger could be pushed into the socket, but it depends on the location of the live cable as it enters the back of the socket outlet. If it was within 'finger poking' distance it would be a C1 but if it was other the opposite side of the double back box, it would be very difficult to make contact with the live copper unless you had fingers like ET. 😅
Exactly right. This is why the inspector is always king (or kingesse) on the day of the inspection. The inspector decides what he or she thinks the code should be based on what they see in front of themselves at that moment.
First off great video as always, I really do like your content. But I have a question you mention @9:30 "Light switch with metallic face - plate is installed on a metal back box with no fly - lead" is a c2. However I always thought most metal back boxes (providing it has at least one fixed lug) do not need a fly - lead as the machine screw acts as a fly - lead otherwise we would still have to take a fly - lead from a socket to a metal back box. so in this case the switch would not need a separate fly - lead.But it could be noted as an observation..... If I am wrong I would like to know thanks
If the line conductor touches the back box, the screw may transfer the voltage to the face plate. The permutations are endless, just try and work out the sequence if something goes wrong. Thanks for watching. Dave.
@@learnelectrics4402 Thanks for the reply. I agree 100% with what you are saying an I would always earth the metal face plate I was just querying really if that is actually a c2 or would it be more of a c3 (huge difference imo). But as you rightly stated in the video it would be for the individual inspector to decide. Thanks again for all the great content
As long as back box is earthed then faceplate is earthed via the the screw. A short would trip the mcb. Obviously if removed then it could become live , however when should a switch be removed from the back Box live . C3 for me sorry.
I always had happy people with me, you would have enjoyed it. And if you worked Saturdays for me, I always bought everybody fish and chips for Saturday lunch. Stick with it, a great trade to be in.
The recommendation is that you always test R1+R2 and do not use Zs minus Ze. You should carry out all the tests as per part 3 of guidance note 3. Hope this helps. Dave.
I do R1andR2 at furthest accessory, visual inspect of this socket, light, j/box etc then once re-connected or put back where possible.... Zs test and RCD tests at this point as well. That way you can confirm that the CPC is continuous and any high readings or failed trips means there is a problem somewhere down the line. That gets a C2 for safety devices not disconnecting within the 0.4sec
Yes, as its a satisfactory report, but any limitations must be recorded and signed off correctly and any notes on observations regarding anything outside the scope of bs7671 ie fire dection and hazardous environment, also any possible departures which is usually wiring or equipment being used that is not formally or currently recognised by bs7671 but still appropriate for use due to manufacturers and European compliance, all this must be signed in agreement with the customer when finished.
I’ve come across so many electricians, mostly on social media saying “An Installation should be inspected and tested to the wiring regulations it was installed to”… Thank goodness you’ve made this video and cleared this up. I’ve always told them an installation is inspected and tested to the current wiring regulations but it often falls on deaf ears.
Correct. Inspect to the latest Regs and then give due consideration to the Regs in force at the time. thanks for watching. Dave.
An eicr isn't unsafe if it's not to current regs are you saying it is .are you saying that plastic consumer units are not safe are you saying because it's got no Spd it's not safe so there fore it should be inspected and tested to the reg it was installed to these things are c3s surly because too many cowboy electricians fail an eicr because it's plastic and a ropey metal one is installed and it's more unsafe then the plastic one
@@chrisbuildelectrics4755C3 recommended improvements all day long.
The way he explains no one could ever, I’m watching hes videos and it’s so helpful
My friend recommended him since I’ve learned more knowledge then college!
I appreciate that. Thank you. Dave.
Full of useful tips. A breath of fresh air that had really helped me to understand. Can't thank you enough.
You're very welcome and thanks for watching.
I ve been doing EICR for 15 years and I can’t agree with you more but Very last part of your video was very very correct and beautifully said I watch all your clips. And you have class of your own Thank you very much Dave
Thanks for the great comments, really appreciated. dave.
Fantastic, im a DIYer but also looking to become a Domestic Installer - No interest in career change but so I can self cert and support friends family. The industry seems geared against people like me (no doubt due to cowboys and DIY daves). Im doing my 18th Ed, Isnt & Test and PP currently and looking to join a EIC evening course (although I think it would be over 2 years from what I am reading). Your series is a fantastic resource, thankyou for sharing and making available.
I'm a Dave, but no offence taken. Build up your skills gradually, and photograph, record everything you do, however silly it might seem at the time. It will all make up your skills portfolio. Start on small jobs that don't need notifying, in parallel with your current work. Jobs that are within your skill level. When you do register with a Competent person scheme, you will have plenty of evidence of what you have done. Good luck and keep watching. Dave.
Hello mate have you got any videos about how to navigate the inservice inspection and testing of electrical equipment 5th edition code of practice. struggling to find answers. would really appreciate it
❤ Fabulous video ❤ Thank you very much
Thank you too, glad you enjoyed it, Dave.
this was well said..thank you very much now i understand much better..
Glad it helped and thank you for watching.
Dave.
I really like the way you explain the subject
Many thanks to you
Do you have online classes and give certificate at the end of the course
If not can you please guide me to do so
Best regards
I don't do face to face teaching any more. When looking for a training centre I always tell people to actually visit at least three training centres in person. Look at the centre, get them to show you what facilities they have, ask questions. Do not go by the first centre that you telephone because they will knock £50 off if you part with your £3000 now. Take your time and find the centre that feels right for you.
There was a picture of a metal clad socket with an unglanded twin and earth entering the box in your presentation under the section C1. Would this not be an example of a C2? 2 actions needed. Perhaps in terms of ingress protection you could argue that a finger could be pushed into the socket, but it depends on the location of the live cable as it enters the back of the socket outlet. If it was within 'finger poking' distance it would be a C1 but if it was other the opposite side of the double back box, it would be very difficult to make contact with the live copper unless you had fingers like ET. 😅
Exactly right. This is why the inspector is always king (or kingesse) on the day of the inspection. The inspector decides what he or she thinks the code should be based on what they see in front of themselves at that moment.
Very good. Thank you
Thank you too, appreciated.
Nice video
Thank you, appreciated comments. Dave.
First off great video as always, I really do like your content. But I have a question you mention @9:30 "Light switch with metallic face - plate is installed on a metal back box with no fly - lead" is a c2. However I always thought most metal back boxes (providing it has at least one fixed lug) do not need a fly - lead as the machine screw acts as a fly - lead otherwise we would still have to take a fly - lead from a socket to a metal back box. so in this case the switch would not need a separate fly - lead.But it could be noted as an observation..... If I am wrong I would like to know thanks
If the line conductor touches the back box, the screw may transfer the voltage to the face plate.
The permutations are endless, just try and work out the sequence if something goes wrong. Thanks for watching.
Dave.
@@learnelectrics4402 Thanks for the reply. I agree 100% with what you are saying an I would always earth the metal face plate I was just querying really if that is actually a c2 or would it be more of a c3 (huge difference imo). But as you rightly stated in the video it would be for the individual inspector to decide. Thanks again for all the great content
As long as back box is earthed then faceplate is earthed via the the screw. A short would trip the mcb. Obviously if removed then it could become live , however when should a switch be removed from the back
Box live . C3 for me sorry.
Very useful.
Thank you. Appreciated.
Really nice way of explaining I wish I could work with you 😢
I always had happy people with me, you would have enjoyed it. And if you worked Saturdays for me, I always bought everybody fish and chips for Saturday lunch. Stick with it, a great trade to be in.
Hi mate. Can I ask if you test R1 and R2 when doing eicr or you just calculate it? Also what tests would you do when carrying out eicr?
Many thanks
The recommendation is that you always test R1+R2 and do not use Zs minus Ze. You should carry out all the tests as per part 3 of guidance note 3. Hope this helps. Dave.
I do R1andR2 at furthest accessory, visual inspect of this socket, light, j/box etc then once re-connected or put back where possible.... Zs test and RCD tests at this point as well. That way you can confirm that the CPC is continuous and any high readings or failed trips means there is a problem somewhere down the line. That gets a C2 for safety devices not disconnecting within the 0.4sec
So if it's not C1, C2, FI or C3 we just tick the box?
Yes, as its a satisfactory report, but any limitations must be recorded and signed off correctly and any notes on observations regarding anything outside the scope of bs7671 ie fire dection and hazardous environment, also any possible departures which is usually wiring or equipment being used that is not formally or currently recognised by bs7671 but still appropriate for use due to manufacturers and European compliance, all this must be signed in agreement with the customer when finished.
Brian has this covered. Thanks for watching and thank you Brian.
Thanks Brian, I appreciate the support. Dave.
Good
Thanks for watching. Dave.
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helpfull
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I always think, Po2entially dangerous!
What a great memory jogger. I like it. Dave.
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Thank you Brian. Dave.