Good build Mark. I'm glad you went with a full handle. You will have more control when moving it around. I inherited a welding trolley with large bottles. It has a single handle in the middle and it is not easy to move it around with one hand.
another beautiful piece of shop equipment. You need to make a fancy wing-nut kind of thing to hold the tank clamp so as to be consistent with the beauty of the rest of the rack. 😃
I like it too! So practical. Mine are on a many year old cart. I welded on it but the tanks get in the way! 😂. Since the TIG I just don’t weld with them anymore. I heat stuff with pinpoint heating like stuck bolts and stuff. Thanks for sharing!
Nice cart. I use propane for fuel instead of acetylene. A 20 lb bottle will last a long time and is a lot cheaper than acetylene. I use mine mainly for cutting steel and sometimes for heating. I haven't ever tried to weld with it so I can't say how it works for welding, but for cutting it works just as well as acetylene. You do have to get tips that are made for propane but the savings on the propane quickly pays for the tips. Thanks for the video. Good job on the cart
Thanks! I considered propane. I read a lot about the pros and cons of both. Price is for sure better with propane but not as much as you might think. It takes about 4 times the amount of oxygen to use propane so the savings are not as significant as you might think. Also, the flame structure is different. Apparently the heat is about the same buy with acetylene the 80% is focused very close to the nozzle where as the heat with propane is evenly distributed. This gives you a lot more pin point control.
@@WinkysWorkshop Interesting on the amount of oxygen. I used to buy used farm machinery on auctions and cut it up for scrap iron. I don't remember changing the oxygen setting when I changed from acetylene to propane or a big change in oxygen use. But it has been a lot of years ago (40+ years ago) so I might not remember the details. There is a difference in starting the cut for sure. You do have to heat longer with propane. Once you get the cut started the oxygen is doing all the work, so I don't think there would be a significant difference from then on. Like I said before, I haven't used either to weld with so I can't comment on that use.
Nice job Mark. I just made a score on Market place for the 10cuf Acetylene and 20cuf oxygen. I swapped the 20cuf oxygen tank for a 20cuf argon at Airgas. Just yesterday I also scored a 80cuf Oxygen tank on Market place. I leased the large oxygen and acetylene tanks for 45 years and Airgas got greedy, ($180 a year just for the use of their tanks) , and my once-a-year usage caused me to turn their tanks in with almost full of both gases. of course, no buy back on the unused gas. Now they refuse to sell tanks so they can force the lease/rental outrageous prices. The little tanks will serve me just fine, and I avoid being held hostage by Airgas They bought out the local Welding supply that I had done business with for over 40 years. . It really bothers me how the big companies are forcing the consumer to buy from them. Walmart being on the top of my shitlist. Well enough of my rant. Thanks for bringing us along.
Air Gas is TERRIBLE. I'll never do business with them again. When I had my MIG welder I bought a 15 cuft (I think) tank from them and had it filled. I took it home and used it one time. About a week later I went to use it and it was empty. I turned it off firmly but it all leaked out. It cost over $60 the first time I filled it and he would give me NO CREDIT on the gas so I paid it again. I switched company and paid less for their tank and $30 to fill it. The oxy. ace. are the same... double the price. Never again! The company I use now if a small private welding shop. I think they use Volunteer to fill their tanks. They are picky about what tanks they will fill so its hard to get a good deal. on used tanks. Fortunately their tanks are reasonably priced compared to Air Gas. I feel the same about the big companies. Greed driven. I worry about the local shop going out of business. Apparently there is another small shop 45 miles from me that is good to deal with and I'm told they even take the tanks I use. I just hate to drive 45 miles... the local shop is about 8 miles
@@WinkysWorkshop Mark I sure don't want to get political but the big companies are out to force everyone to do business with them. My brother lost his job of over 35 years with a local Optometrist because the hospital in the town he lives in has taken over all the medical doctors and medical offices. They told his boss the owner either sell to us or we will put you out of business. The same is happening in the town where I live. My Cardiologist now works for the hospital and has closed down his private practice. John Deer is now known in just about location in Texas as Quality Implements. this my friend is the absolute seeds of Communism. Just wearing a subtle mask. Once I get the Oxygen filled for the first time I think I am going to look for an independent welding supply. When I got the Argon filled the guy at the counter tried to charge me double of what the guy on the phone quoted me. Good thing he told me to ask for him by name. When I threw up the flag they went and got him, and he made his quoted price good.
Hey winky. I was thinking maybe you should put the box on the backside that way if you wanted to go tall are bottles you could still use the same card just saying
You can get a carriage bolt with a domed head, turn the sharp edge off so that there's flat sides on the edge, then mount it into a tool holder on your lathe. You can then use the lathe tool post to push on a part in the chuck and get it centered quickly. You can buy some cheap chain (with elongated links), cutoff links as required and weld them to bolts and nuts to make quick hand screws and nuts.
Great post. I modify cheaply available sack trucks to do the same thing, and use chains on hooks to secure them(I do a lot of site work). BTW Put a valve guard on the cart as you will often bump and damage them when moving the cart....😊 BTW2: Fuel gas and oxy is really expensive(and domestic insurance policies usually EXCLUDE them from cover(for obvious reasons) - If you have TIG then acetylene is pretty much obsolete in any case....
I'm not going to ask about insurance... valve guard is probably a good idea. I agree about tig. Usually I use gas to heat or braze. That why I didn't get the 80 tanks.
@@WinkysWorkshop Valve guards will save your(and my) bacon - Sod's Law says that the heavy item on that bench/shelve will fall on the valve gear!!! For over 30 years Ive been buying industrial gases, and NEVER ONCE in that time have I ever received a supplier letter, notifying me of price decreases due to wholesale markets! But conversely, every 6.months or so.....£$€!! ;-) IMHO : Avoid the use(cost/hassle in hobby/DIY) of pressurised industrial gases! Not sure of US cylinder colour schemes, but you can braze just as well with Propane as you can Acetylene(use a Gas Axe(cutting torch) , and not an oxy/Acetylene welding torch) - the excessive carbon in Acetylene has a cleaning(deoxidization) action, which Propane can't achive, so almost ANY metal fusion utilising a flux(deoxidization agent) DOESN'T NEED Acetylene's cleaning action. Acetylene is only ever required for Lead(propane can work, but leaves poor bead formation) and Steel burning(AKA MAG) , although DC and AC(in that order) TIG make these obsolete too. When your first taught about Acetylene in welding schools, then an intrinsic FEAR and RESPECT of it is drummed into you!(stories of flash back failures, with cylinders having to be bathed in running cold.water for DAYS to prevent explosion) ! Keep up the interesting posts. All the best from the Highlands of Scotland 🏴
@@craigywaigy4703 I've had tanks my entire life and never had an issue. In some way propane is actually more dangerous. Shipyard don't use it because it accumulates in low areas and produces much larger amounts of carbon monoxide. Small leaks accumulate over time and become a major hazard. Of course I have a drive in basement on a hill so I'm not really worried. Propane also takes 4 times the amount oxygen so the economic benefit is not as much as you might think. I considered switching but the primary reason I stuck with acetylene is the heat distribution within the flame. 90% is concentrated at the very tip of the nozzle. This makes it much better for quick pinpoint heating. With propane the heat if evenly distributed throughout the flame.
@@WinkysWorkshop Yup Propane is a bugger for ponding/pooling at the lowest point.... My Brother in Law(retired Industrial/Commercial Gas Engineer) often told me stories of how they could actually bail it out from basements with a. BUCKET!!! Keep safe and well. 👍
Hey there Mark, as always love your work and your Channel, hey just looking out for ya' I too do different types of welding, Tig, Mig, and Stick. As I'm watching you Tig weld and you are close to your work, their are a lot of Smoke/Fumes coming up into you face/helmet area. Brother please make yourself some kind of Ventilation system/ Exhaust fan/ or Mask so you don't breathe in those harmful fumes. Ok my Friend. Just looking out for you. Love the work cart. Have a wonderful weekend my friend....! Daren'
Thanks, fortunately TIG is fairly clean but if I was welding a lot the door would have been open. If the metal is dirty galvanized I'm very carful. In fact I totally avoid galvanize if possible.
You'll want the 82 cubic foot and the matching oxygen. I forget the exact sizes. Once you get used to having a torch set in the shop, the gas goes fast and swaps on larger tanks are more economical. I made a similar cart from a handtruck. I bought a city type mailbox from the hardware store, the kind that mounts on the wall outside the front door. I also put two "L" rods through the vertical pipes to wrap my hose on. Let me know if you'd like pictures to give you ideas. Tony
I may do similar for holding welding rods. The 80cuft tanks are way cheaper to fill but honesty the little 10 cuft I had lasted 6-month to a year. Unless my usage goes way up for some reason the 40s will last well over a year. I've had the smaller set for about 10 years. Cool idea on the mail box.
As a welder yes I would have gotten the bigger bottles. Specially if you ever use it to heat metal up red hot to bend it or to harden it. The gas will go quick. That's been my experience. I also had the smaller hard rubber wheels. That didn't work out either for me. Every pebble or swarf on the floor became a nuisance the wheels would stop slide nothing but a headache I'm afraid the steel ones will be even worse. But you know your shop good luck with it. I ended up putting larger wheels like a small bicycle on mine and that works so much better.
Also chem-o-lene is much better and safer to use as your gas instead of acetylene . the only thing you have to change is your tips in the cutting head. The tips that go with chem-o-lene are also very easy to clean where acetylene tips are not . Just a though research it I think you will like it better. It is much much more safe compared to acetylene.
Well done Mark.How many tanks you got in your shop?For me I´m trying to live only with oxygen,propane and compressed air.No more acetylene.I need a new cart considering the changes in sizes and kind of gas.Yes,your TIG welding is very good.Thank you.
Several have mention going to propane and it might be a good option but the savings are not what you might think. It takes about 4 time the amount of oxygen to get a good mix with propane. From what I am reading propane puts out the same heat but the heat is distributed throughout the flame. Acetylene has 90% of all the heat at the very tip of the nozzle. Propane also puts out more carbon monoxide and unburned propane will sink to any low spot where as acetylene is lighter than air and goes away. I've never used propane but from what I hear its easier to get the heat where you want it.
That'll work nicely. I do have 1 question. When you drilled the holes in the wheels, the drill chuck was moving around quite a bit. Is that normal or is it just your lathes tailstock?
I'd say I didn't get the hole centered perfectly when I started the hole. For this project the position was not critical. A very slight wobble of the wheel would never be noticed. For something more critile I would have taken more time when I drilled the pilot hole. Also the lathe has some wear on the ways (bed). I have the tail stock adjusted to compensate which makes it slightly off center to the chuck. This makes it easier to get a hole started off center. Getting it to drill on center is still possible but you have to make your start hole by going slow at first.
You should always have the tanks chained or the covers on. You are lucky no accident happened and you broke the valve off. Nice job, but you need to do better with safety.
40 cu ft tanks have no covers. I prefer larger tanks for this reason. Luck had nothing to do with no accident. I was very careful around the tanks. They are super dangerous!
I’m liking those wheels great idea
Glad you like them! They are fairly easy to make too.
Good build Mark. I'm glad you went with a full handle. You will have more control when moving it around. I inherited a welding trolley with large bottles. It has a single handle in the middle and it is not easy to move it around with one hand.
Interesting. Thanks for the comment!
Looks great winky, I do alot of fab work in my shop, very interesting how things come together.
Fabrication is fun. Nothing has to be perfect and the results are fairly quick.
another beautiful piece of shop equipment. You need to make a fancy wing-nut kind of thing to hold the tank clamp so as to be consistent with the beauty of the rest of the rack. 😃
Cool idea! thanks
Looks great! Got to love how you make the wheels. I have seen you do the same with other projects, pretty neat.
Thanks, the wheels are fun to make.
I like it too! So practical. Mine are on a many year old cart. I welded on it but the tanks get in the way! 😂. Since the TIG I just don’t weld with them anymore. I heat stuff with pinpoint heating like stuck bolts and stuff. Thanks for sharing!
Same here... I used to weld with gas but TIG is so easy.
Nice job. I think you’ll like it! Les in UK 🇬🇧
Thanks Les!
Good job from Oxford England 🏴
Thanks!
Nice idea making it to take the larger cylinder.
Thanks 👍
Wonderful fab 👍🏻 great video
Thank you 🤗
Enjoyed this video very much.
Thanks
Nice cart. I use propane for fuel instead of acetylene. A 20 lb bottle will last a long time and is a lot cheaper than acetylene. I use mine mainly for cutting steel and sometimes for heating. I haven't ever tried to weld with it so I can't say how it works for welding, but for cutting it works just as well as acetylene. You do have to get tips that are made for propane but the savings on the propane quickly pays for the tips.
Thanks for the video. Good job on the cart
Thanks! I considered propane. I read a lot about the pros and cons of both. Price is for sure better with propane but not as much as you might think. It takes about 4 times the amount of oxygen to use propane so the savings are not as significant as you might think. Also, the flame structure is different. Apparently the heat is about the same buy with acetylene the 80% is focused very close to the nozzle where as the heat with propane is evenly distributed. This gives you a lot more pin point control.
@@WinkysWorkshop Interesting on the amount of oxygen. I used to buy used farm machinery on auctions and cut it up for scrap iron. I don't remember changing the oxygen setting when I changed from acetylene to propane or a big change in oxygen use. But it has been a lot of years ago (40+ years ago) so I might not remember the details. There is a difference in starting the cut for sure. You do have to heat longer with propane. Once you get the cut started the oxygen is doing all the work, so I don't think there would be a significant difference from then on. Like I said before, I haven't used either to weld with so I can't comment on that use.
@@mikewatson4644 I seldom you a cutting touch and have not used propane... but I like the pin point heat source. I'm just going by what I have read.
I like that, I might have to make one for myself.
Thanks!
Excellent! How about using a large thumb nut on the threaded rod to hold the tank bracket?
I was thinking that same. Thanks
Nice job Mark. I just made a score on Market place for the 10cuf Acetylene and 20cuf oxygen. I swapped the 20cuf oxygen tank for a 20cuf argon at Airgas. Just yesterday I also scored a 80cuf Oxygen tank on Market place. I leased the large oxygen and acetylene tanks for 45 years and Airgas got greedy, ($180 a year just for the use of their tanks) , and my once-a-year usage caused me to turn their tanks in with almost full of both gases. of course, no buy back on the unused gas. Now they refuse to sell tanks so they can force the lease/rental outrageous prices. The little tanks will serve me just fine, and I avoid being held hostage by Airgas They bought out the local Welding supply that I had done business with for over 40 years. . It really bothers me how the big companies are forcing the consumer to buy from them. Walmart being on the top of my shitlist. Well enough of my rant. Thanks for bringing us along.
Air Gas is TERRIBLE. I'll never do business with them again. When I had my MIG welder I bought a 15 cuft (I think) tank from them and had it filled. I took it home and used it one time. About a week later I went to use it and it was empty. I turned it off firmly but it all leaked out. It cost over $60 the first time I filled it and he would give me NO CREDIT on the gas so I paid it again. I switched company and paid less for their tank and $30 to fill it. The oxy. ace. are the same... double the price. Never again! The company I use now if a small private welding shop. I think they use Volunteer to fill their tanks. They are picky about what tanks they will fill so its hard to get a good deal. on used tanks. Fortunately their tanks are reasonably priced compared to Air Gas. I feel the same about the big companies. Greed driven. I worry about the local shop going out of business. Apparently there is another small shop 45 miles from me that is good to deal with and I'm told they even take the tanks I use. I just hate to drive 45 miles... the local shop is about 8 miles
@@WinkysWorkshop Mark I sure don't want to get political but the big companies are out to force everyone to do business with them. My brother lost his job of over 35 years with a local Optometrist because the hospital in the town he lives in has taken over all the medical doctors and medical offices. They told his boss the owner either sell to us or we will put you out of business. The same is happening in the town where I live. My Cardiologist now works for the hospital and has closed down his private practice. John Deer is now known in just about location in Texas as Quality Implements. this my friend is the absolute seeds of Communism. Just wearing a subtle mask.
Once I get the Oxygen filled for the first time I think I am going to look for an independent welding supply. When I got the Argon filled the guy at the counter tried to charge me double of what the guy on the phone quoted me. Good thing he told me to ask for him by name. When I threw up the flag they went and got him, and he made his quoted price good.
Hey winky. I was thinking maybe you should put the box on the backside that way if you wanted to go tall are bottles you could still use the same card just saying
I considered that too. I doubt I will get the larger tanks but if I do I'll cut the bracket and weld it on the back Thanks.
Good job Mark 👍 I like the B tanks like your using for acetylene, there a good size for small shops and easy to exchange.
Good to hear from you. Yeah, way more economical than the little one I had and probably big enough for me. Probably last about a year or more.
You can get a carriage bolt with a domed head, turn the sharp edge off so that there's flat sides on the edge, then mount it into a tool holder on your lathe. You can then use the lathe tool post to push on a part in the chuck and get it centered quickly.
You can buy some cheap chain (with elongated links), cutoff links as required and weld them to bolts and nuts to make quick hand screws and nuts.
I had a tool with bearing mounted on the end for doing this but misplaced it.
Great post.
I modify cheaply available sack trucks to do the same thing, and use chains on hooks to secure them(I do a lot of site work).
BTW Put a valve guard on the cart as you will often bump and damage them when moving the cart....😊
BTW2: Fuel gas and oxy is really expensive(and domestic insurance policies usually EXCLUDE them from cover(for obvious reasons) - If you have TIG then acetylene is pretty much obsolete in any case....
I'm not going to ask about insurance... valve guard is probably a good idea. I agree about tig. Usually I use gas to heat or braze. That why I didn't get the 80 tanks.
@@WinkysWorkshop
Valve guards will save your(and my) bacon - Sod's Law says that the heavy item on that bench/shelve will fall on the valve gear!!!
For over 30 years Ive been buying industrial gases, and NEVER ONCE in that time have I ever received a supplier letter, notifying me of price decreases due to wholesale markets!
But conversely, every 6.months or so.....£$€!! ;-)
IMHO : Avoid the use(cost/hassle in hobby/DIY) of pressurised industrial gases!
Not sure of US cylinder colour schemes, but you can braze just as well with Propane as you can Acetylene(use a Gas Axe(cutting torch) , and not an oxy/Acetylene welding torch) - the excessive carbon in Acetylene has a cleaning(deoxidization) action, which Propane can't achive, so almost ANY metal fusion utilising a flux(deoxidization agent) DOESN'T NEED Acetylene's cleaning action.
Acetylene is only ever required for Lead(propane can work, but leaves poor bead formation) and Steel burning(AKA MAG) , although DC and AC(in that order) TIG make these obsolete too.
When your first taught about Acetylene in welding schools, then an intrinsic FEAR and RESPECT of it is drummed into you!(stories of flash back failures, with cylinders having to be bathed in running cold.water for DAYS to prevent explosion) !
Keep up the interesting posts.
All the best from the Highlands of Scotland 🏴
@@craigywaigy4703 I've had tanks my entire life and never had an issue. In some way propane is actually more dangerous. Shipyard don't use it because it accumulates in low areas and produces much larger amounts of carbon monoxide. Small leaks accumulate over time and become a major hazard. Of course I have a drive in basement on a hill so I'm not really worried. Propane also takes 4 times the amount oxygen so the economic benefit is not as much as you might think. I considered switching but the primary reason I stuck with acetylene is the heat distribution within the flame. 90% is concentrated at the very tip of the nozzle. This makes it much better for quick pinpoint heating. With propane the heat if evenly distributed throughout the flame.
@@WinkysWorkshop
Yup Propane is a bugger for ponding/pooling at the lowest point....
My Brother in Law(retired Industrial/Commercial Gas Engineer) often told me stories of how they could actually bail it out from basements with a. BUCKET!!!
Keep safe and well.
👍
Good Design Winky..
Thanks, I like the compact size.
Hey there Mark, as always love your work and your Channel, hey just looking out for ya' I too do different types of welding, Tig, Mig, and Stick. As I'm watching you Tig weld and you are close to your work, their are a lot of Smoke/Fumes coming up into you face/helmet area. Brother please make yourself some kind of Ventilation system/ Exhaust fan/ or Mask so you don't breathe in those harmful fumes. Ok my Friend. Just looking out for you. Love the work cart. Have a wonderful weekend my friend....!
Daren'
Thanks, fortunately TIG is fairly clean but if I was welding a lot the door would have been open. If the metal is dirty galvanized I'm very carful. In fact I totally avoid galvanize if possible.
Very nice welding cart sir
Thanks!
You'll want the 82 cubic foot and the matching oxygen. I forget the exact sizes. Once you get used to having a torch set in the shop, the gas goes fast and swaps on larger tanks are more economical.
I made a similar cart from a handtruck. I bought a city type mailbox from the hardware store, the kind that mounts on the wall outside the front door. I also put two "L" rods through the vertical pipes to wrap my hose on.
Let me know if you'd like pictures to give you ideas.
Tony
I may do similar for holding welding rods. The 80cuft tanks are way cheaper to fill but honesty the little 10 cuft I had lasted 6-month to a year. Unless my usage goes way up for some reason the 40s will last well over a year. I've had the smaller set for about 10 years. Cool idea on the mail box.
As a welder yes I would have gotten the bigger bottles. Specially if you ever use it to heat metal up red hot to bend it or to harden it. The gas will go quick. That's been my experience. I also had the smaller hard rubber wheels. That didn't work out either for me. Every pebble or swarf on the floor became a nuisance the wheels would stop slide nothing but a headache I'm afraid the steel ones will be even worse. But you know your shop good luck with it. I ended up putting larger wheels like a small bicycle on mine and that works so much better.
Also chem-o-lene is much better and safer to use as your gas instead of acetylene . the only thing you have to change is your tips in the cutting head. The tips that go with chem-o-lene are also very easy to clean where acetylene tips are not . Just a though research it I think you will like it better. It is much much more safe compared to acetylene.
Interesting... you maybe right about the tanks although I seldom
use them. Never heard of the Chem-o-lene.
If you do put a parts box on, might I suggest you mount it beneath the handle so if you do upgrade to bigger tanks, you wont need to relocate it.
Good suggestion. I also considered that. I like it in front but if I ever get larger tanks I'll move it.
Nicely done
Thanks!
Boy the lathe sure sounds quite.
The Lucas oil is fairly amazing.
outstanding wheels
I agree, for some reason they are fun to make- Ha
@@WinkysWorkshop I BUILT 2-6IN. WHEELS ALMOST LIKE YOURS AND I WAS VERY IMPRESSED WITH YOUR
@@robertsanders1916 - Thanks!
Well done Mark.How many tanks you got in your shop?For me I´m trying to live only with oxygen,propane and compressed air.No more acetylene.I need a new cart considering the changes in sizes and kind of gas.Yes,your TIG welding is very good.Thank you.
Several have mention going to propane and it might be a good option but the savings are not what you might think. It takes about 4 time the amount of oxygen to get a good mix with propane. From what I am reading propane puts out the same heat but the heat is distributed throughout the flame. Acetylene has 90% of all the heat at the very tip of the nozzle. Propane also puts out more carbon monoxide and unburned propane will sink to any low spot where as acetylene is lighter than air and goes away. I've never used propane but from what I hear its easier to get the heat where you want it.
@@WinkysWorkshop You are right Mark but they made propane easy,cheap and convenient for almost anything.
That'll work nicely. I do have 1 question. When you drilled the holes in the wheels, the drill chuck was moving around quite a bit. Is that normal or is it just your lathes tailstock?
I'd say I didn't get the hole centered perfectly when I started the hole. For this project the position was not critical. A very slight wobble of the wheel would never be noticed. For something more critile I would have taken more time when I drilled the pilot hole. Also the lathe has some wear on the ways (bed). I have the tail stock adjusted to compensate which makes it slightly off center to the chuck. This makes it easier to get a hole started off center. Getting it to drill on center is still possible but you have to make your start hole by going slow at first.
How do you work in shorts and stay clean
I don't - ha. I worry a little about welding in shorts but TIG is less likely to throw sparks.
How does one contact you to have belt made?
Here's the instruction. docs.google.com/document/d/1auPTcCg9Gek_YhWOE--xZEUw1RVEPoZAdBS-lx24j6w/edit?usp=sharing
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You should always have the tanks chained or the covers on. You are lucky no accident happened and you broke the valve off. Nice job, but you need to do better with safety.
40 cu ft tanks have no covers. I prefer larger tanks for this reason. Luck had nothing to do with no accident. I was very careful around the tanks. They are super dangerous!