Novonix DPMG - Dry Particle Microgranulation (Deep Dive)
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- Опубликовано: 25 июл 2024
- Novonix has caught the imagination of the Tesla community recently. Novonix Dry Particle Microgranulation method, AKA DPMG, will allow production of PUREgraphite and Single Crystal Cathode material that is cheaper, higher performance, and environmentally friendly than competing products from China.
This video will be a deep dive and step by step walkthrough of the history of DPMG and a deep dive into the research paper that it was unveiled in. I'll explain exactly how the process works.
China currently has a near monopoly on battery materials. If Novonix may be able to help break that monopoly, allowing battery manufacturers to derisk their supply chain through localisation and by avoiding environmental concerns.
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Timestamps:
00:00 Introduction
00:42 Setting the Stage
03:33 CSTR Process
06:25 Mechanofusion Coatings
08:34 Eureka! DPMG!
09:51 DPMG Cathode
12:37 Anode Production Techniques
13:40 DPMG Anode Process
17:21 Cost and Closing Thoughts
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*TL;DW -* Novonix Dry Particle Microgranulation (DPMG) allows material that would normally be considered waste to be turned into high quality battery materials. Furthermore, it reduces the number of steps from the typical 10 steps to 5 steps. China has priced competition out of the market...DPMG levels the playing field. Additionally, because it produces no waste, it's more environmentally friendly. In the next video I'll get more into the 'so what' and whether it makes sense for Tesla and Novonix to get into bed together.
Additional note: At around 9:30 I show an illustration and actual images of the particles formed by DPMG. These particles go on to be heated to form crystals. This is shown by the diagram @ 10:30 where it says 'sintering furnace.' I didn't think it was necessary to call this out given the image, but thought I'd clarify here in case it causes confusion and I left you hanging 🤠.
Thanks Gordon
Great video again
This technique is very similar to what’s used to grind/classify pigments. It could also be used to “stretch” out pigments to create cheaper paints at a fraction of the cost. Which pigment coatings and particle substrates would work depends strongly on their solubility and tendency to bind to each other (lattice energy) as opposed being dissolving away by the solvent or other solutes (binders, etc). It would also depend on the optical properties of the DPMG materials. Something with the optical characteristics of titanium dioxide would make an ideal filler (or perhaps coating), but I don’t think that material would work.
Jordan, thanks for your channel I appreciate your research. Maybe pull on the Coulometrics LLC (partner of Novonix in the PUREGraphite joint venture) thread as well. They, and their management, have an interesting history. I have found where they have received 7 figure grants from DOE and connections to the US Navy. I suspect that they bring more to the table than one might imagine.
@@nooneyouknow7036 Fascinating!
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That'll be "Jordan" 😉
("Gordon's" the short)
Thank god. I was going through battery tech update withdrawal.
Lol
Gordon, another fantastic video exploring the way forward into the world’s transformation to renewable energy. Can’t wait until your next video. Thanks so much.
Love these technical videos of relevant topics!
So manny possibilities to save costs. Let’s hope they get this engineered and scaled.
The world is ready for cheaper and cleaner cells.
Straight up!
Wooooo finally! Great video, can’t wait for the next one. Can you cover the transistor-less battery research paper in the future?
Sure thing :)
Thanks Jordan - another awesome video and thanks for all the effort you put in to making it. Look forward to the next one! 👊🏻💥
Thank you Jordan! You great work. Can't wait for part deux.
Gordon, you are creating such a quality content, you left me with no other choice but to support you. Thank you :)
This is an excellent video Jordan! On a side note, I like to look at the likes to dislikes ratio of videos because I'm a numbers nerd. And your ratio of 250:1 is among the highest of any videos I've seen on youtube. You really deserve it, the effort put into these videos is second to none.
Great job. Thank you for bringing the research to everyone and making it accessible!
Fantastic explanation, and so well done in terms of graphics, organization, and content. Come on everyone, contribute on his Patreon site - these things take a lot of time to research and make!
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Absolutely brilliant video Jordan! This is a very complicated breakthrough and you make it so much easier to understand! Thank You
You're most welcome 🤜🤛
I've spent the afternoon taking in the natura;/synthetic graphite discussion as well as manufacturers (Talga/Novonix). Fascinating clean, transparent presentation. Absolute youtube gem-quality. Many thanks!
You're most welcome!
Thanks for a brilliant video. So glad I bought some NVX last month!
Over my head but I get the drift. Excellent report. Thanks.
Wow man. Mind is consistently blown. What a killer deep dive.
Hey no problem!
Another fantastic video; one of my favorite channels, I'm always excited to see something new. 👏
Thanks man!
Excellent video. Thank you for taking the time to take us through the deep dive on DPMG - you have a knack for breaking down information in a simple and digestible manner for the non-scientist folks. When you connected with Chris recently, were you able to gather any additional information regarding the likelihood of Tesla directly or indirectly (through a third party supplier like Panasonic) using or planning to use Novonix’s DPMG process in tandem with Maxwell’s DBE technology? (You may recall I posited this same question a week or two ago in response to another one of your videos.) Given, among other things, (i) Tesla’s recently announced plans to overhaul its Kato Road facility to accommodate additional space for battery manufacturing in connection with Project Roadrunner, (ii) the relationships among Jeff Dahn, Maxwell, Obrovac and Chris Burns and ties to Tesla and (iii) Tesla’s relentless push for efficiency/effectiveness and cost reduction, it would seem probable that Tesla would take advantage of this technology to further its goals. To the extent you haven’t been able to glean this information from Chris, I would nonetheless be curious to hear what you think based on what you’ve uncovered to date. Thanks as always for your time, it is appreciated.
Thanks Reese! No indication from Chris. He is open to licencing and DPMG appears very modular. My bet is Novonix stays separate from Tesla and that it will be some time before it supplies Tesla. They are on two very different magnitudes of production. This will be covered more in the next video along with the DBE question (short answer is that they are compatible). Just started 'The Limiting Factor 2' channel and had a discussion with David Quan about this and other things. This is not as full and complete as the next video will be though.
Thank you! I was actually thinking Tesla would license the DPMG technology from Novonix to produce its own raw materials, rather than purchasing DPMG-made materials from Novonix, as Novonix seems to be focused more on the R&D and incubation side from what I have gathered from past interviews of Burns and St. Baker, rather than Novonix scaling up to be a large scale manufacturer.
Yes! Class is in!
Amazing video.. thanks for your work. Novonix all the way
my man with the best battery tech video on youtube! a lot of educational information you won't find elsewhere. hope you've been holding onto a tesla share or two!! Here in Canada we don't have access to Novonix shares too easily, but I feel like a kid on the sidelines. . .. . story of my life, coach
Hey man! Lol, yeah, holding on to the Tesla shares. I'll probably sell a tranche at 6000, 12000, 18000 🤔 hmmmmm, it really depends on how things play out. I mean, it could very well go to 24k in the next 10 years. I'll take it one day at a time.
Being an Aussie- life is good
I can invest on e TSX NAS & NYSE etc
Good news - Novonix does plan a US listing soon - that could give the stock a massive lift
au.finance.yahoo.com/quote/NVX.AX?.tsrc=applewf
MattH It usually takes 4-6 weeks and this ASX announcement about a US listing was released 5 weeks ago. Should be close to US OTCQX Best Markets listing very soon www.asx.com.au/asxpdf/20200610/pdf/44jj4d1r8330gj.pdf
Fascinating, such a clever and clear solution
Great stuff Jordan.
Awesome breakdown!!! Love your videos
Thanks Leo!
Another brilliant video. Thank you for the eduction :)
Thanks for watching!
I had to watch this 6 times, stop on some of the diagrams and read Wikipedia, but finally i think I might understood it.
Hey! Big fan of what you're doing. Can we expect a video about the recent Lithium metal/Anodeless battery patent? I'd like to learn a bit more about the technology involved there, and what causes high capacity batteries like that to have such short cycle lives.
Thanks for the video!
Thanks Russell! I won't cover that for a while. Interesting tech, but 5-10 years away. It will get covered at some point though.
What a great video thanks !
Great video, thanks for taking the time to put this together; Novonix is in a very interesting position right now and I'm enjoying all of the new info as it gets released. Is there an ETA on when your next videos are getting released? I'm eagerly waiting!! :)
10 days for the next video 🤠. I'm on a 2 weekly release schedule. The Novonix script is currently with Chris Burns for review.
@@thelimitingfactor awesome, looking forward to it! :D
Thanks Jordan well done
Thanks Ron!
What an excellent video!
Glad you enjoyed it! Thanks man!
I’d love an update on this
Once again you deserve it, but the uniformity of Al2o3 coating is still under debate. Our group also published two papers relating to mechanofusion with conductive super p. Besides without any external materials only mechano fusion process modifies the secondary grain morphology and leads to improved electrochemical performance.
Thanks for the feedback! I haven't looked too deep into coatings yet.
Thank you for the detailed breakdown again! I have also read that article while deciding whether to buy ASX: NVX or not, and then it jumped 76% in a day... -_-; I still bought some at a later stage, I think the company has a great potential. Just gotta wait for the confirmation from Samsung later this year.
Hey MK, no problem! And thank you!
Thank you!
Thanks for the support Robert!
Great analysis! It's nice to hear the discovery can actually be used and implemented. In your 2nd business model video, I'd be interest in how it could be scaled and monetized? Licensing? Keep it in house and enforce patent? Thanks!
Separately, do you have a video or info posted about yourself? Your background in batteries, etc.
Next video will cover licencing. No background in batteries. Just curious :) ruclips.net/video/h_zYyy39DCA/видео.html
Is there any reason this wouldn't work with Maxwell DBE? It's supposed to be chemistry agnostic, but how about electrode precursor coating agnostic?
Totally compatible. Novonix is raw materials, DBE is creating the electrode (using those raw materials)
Amazing video, your time and effort is greatly appreciated ! Would Nano One's coated, single crystal cathode material be a competing technology to Novonix? Or are these two technologies complimentary in some way?
Complimentary 😀 One is for raw materials, the other is for a finished product.
One of the most exciting vids I have seen yet on battery tech!
@ 4:40, you say "CSTR", but the text in the video reads "CTSR"... which is correct?
Thanks.
CSTR. Thanks man!
If they use renewable power to complete the DPMG process (Tennessee plant) this will be HUGE for the company and ESG institutional investors !!
thank you for video (20th ish comment)
Hey mate, any update on the next video on Novonix, I was assuming it was going to drop today?
PS, great videos.
Thanks man! Videos drop every two weeks. Novonix drops next week. I'm polishing up the audio right now. Next I'll add visuals.
@@thelimitingfactor awesome, are you tracking that CATL used to own 1/3 of Novonix prior to 2017?
When the take over occurred, there was an ongoing supply agreement noted. Are you able to see if this was / is still a thing? CATL has a MMB, MD Phillip ST Baker on a media interview last month said Novonix has a MMB. CATL is a supplier of Tesla.
Jordan, I have a theory as to why Tesla might not be worried about water and waste requirements at Giga Berlin. DPMG outputs better cathode particles with no waste water and fewer waste materials. Excess input metals are recycled back into the process as inputs. Another bonus is that it uses class 2 nickle rather than the class 1 nickle currently used. Tesla mentioned they need more nickel on their earnings call (huge cost/supply win). Go Elon and team! Not sure if they have to use Novonix DPMG method because Tesla has their own DPMG patent, as you know :)
LOVE the insight!
Well that's annoying, I'm subscribed and set the bell to all, but this video never showed up in my notifications
same here
RUclips *faceplam*
As far as I can understand your video, Tesla will be able to use Novonix products to advantage. Is it true understood that you now see a potiential in Tesla to buy Firmat Novonix?
HyperChange about Novonix also shows that they can quickly upscale.
I'm not a chemist, but it sounds like there are some issues with pollution (residual products). Could that be one of the reasons why GigaBerlin is not being built as big as first assumed?
Translated from Danish to English with google translate
Mr Flemming
I'll be providing a teaser to the next Novonix video. In short, I don't think Tesla needs Novonix or Novonix needs Tesla...😃 But both poised for massive growth. TSLA can use the products, but I think Novonix scale will take some time to match TSLA scale.
Wow! You say this was translated with Google translate! If this was done without any subsequent editing, it's getting quite useful, for sure!
15:00 Zr contamination will always be a problem unless they switch to diamond seed particles. Only then will the battery capacity be competitive.
That would be cool! I was wondering what else they might use. It would have to be something ultra hard and diamond fits the bill. I wonder how much industrial diamonds like this would cost and how long they would last.
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is NVNXF the right stock symbol for the US retail investor?
Looks like it!
does Tesla have advantages in tech over China? what can other OEMs do to catch up? (I honestly don't see how)
Most OEMs are screwed. Tesla clearly has advantages. There are thousands of aspects to tech. The question would need to be clarified. Even if it's just batteries, what aspect of batteries?
The DPMG process sounds pretty cool and efficient, but it's not like there aren't other ways to skin these kinds of CATS. For example, you can make nano particles of specific size and more easily coat other materials with those. And if you use metal-organic compounds first, you don't have to go through the tedious and wasteful process of using lot's more water, creating other metal byproducts, etc.
For example, converting copper formate into copper nano particles is a fairly easy and efficient process (though somewhat time consuming), and it easily plates/coats a number of other materials.
I'm also wondering about ultra sonification.
What do I need to do to become as smart as you?
LOL, not much 😉. I'm just persistent.
Checkout the RUclips video from MIT Club of Northern California - "The Future of Energy Storage - Professor Yet-Ming Chiang, MIT"
Introduction: uwu uwu uwu
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Great video as always :)
Not directly related... check out this tweet. twitter.com/ReflexFunds/status/1283794628660137985. Would love you to do a "prediction video" about the specs of the batteries getting revealed, and the changes in specs to the cars that may result. 50 miles more range, 300kW charging, etc. etc. Wait until after the Earnings Release in case they say something juicy :) I expect you to drop everything and get right on it! LOL just kidding. But if you're looking for ideas, I think it could get a lot of views.
Dalhousie is pronounced Dalhowzie
Yeah, I'm pronouncing it this way because I was told that it's the correct way to pronounce it...by multiple people. Go find them and bust their balls.
uh, hang on. Watching this again, late at night. Few tins in the tank....
Nickel Sulfate... That's always been a huge issue, Nickel sulfates create sulfuric acids if I am not mistaken, horrendous for the environment, pain in the ass for governments & miners to deal with the mine site management of. The Sulfates also destroy plant equipment in the processing.
So, Tesla found a way to deal with the sulfates as mined, without the processing, with less water, and increase cathode yield, in an more environmentally friendly way?