LACY'S LAST LABOR WORST CASE SCENARIO! Part 1 of 4

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  • @nita7pie
    @nita7pie 3 года назад

    Crystal is great with her goats birth and she very passionate too....she do all she can to help them thru it til the end love her and her family!!!

  • @beverlyhanlon7575
    @beverlyhanlon7575 3 года назад

    I have watched every video I can. You are such a Blessed lady. You love ever baby and mom. Thank you for caring

  • @ces3634
    @ces3634 2 года назад

    You are so sweet and patient. I just love watching these videos.

  • @kimnisley2563
    @kimnisley2563 4 года назад +61

    Oh Crystal, I’m so sorry you’re going through so many issues this kidding season.
    A friend of mine had larger goats and smaller goats. One day her large buck broke loose and got in with her smaller does. Two does got pregnant with him. When doe one delivered, she had to have assistance and delivered twins. When doe two went into labor they had no choice but to call the vet. It was a cold bitter night. They had to bring the doe into their brand new remodeled bathroom and do a c- section. Doe had two huge twins. Mom was unable to nurse them so they were bottle babies. This family bent over backwards to care for these goats just like you do.
    Too many people don’t realize that vets are not always an option. So many times there are no vets within minutes of the farm. Don’t allow the negative people get to you.
    I will wait for more updates on the kidding. Prayers for all.

  • @paulinegarcia1225
    @paulinegarcia1225 4 года назад

    wow you got a lot of baby goats the more to be expected beautiful beautiful

  • @vickiporter4804
    @vickiporter4804 4 года назад +24

    God,
    Please give Crystal the knowledge and the strength to save this momma and her babies, thy will be done
    Amen

  • @jenelljurado8500
    @jenelljurado8500 4 года назад

    I LOVE WHEN THE KIDS RUN AND THE BABIES CHASE THEM 😍! Ur lil Girl is gonna be ur mini me!!! She's gonna take over goat farming I bet when She gets older!

  • @donnastarpaw
    @donnastarpaw 4 года назад +20

    Poor Lacey hope everything went ok

  • @oranjmusemeyer968
    @oranjmusemeyer968 4 года назад +10

    So sorry about Lacy... you earned that beer this year!

  • @debbybailey1809
    @debbybailey1809 4 года назад

    Crystal if I had a goat in trouble, I would call you for advise. I have watched your videos and no one with more compassion and knowledge out there. You rock! No Debby downers here! Lol love your goats and I know you do too. Prayers for Lacy .

  • @sharronhider4778
    @sharronhider4778 3 года назад

    Crystal you have got this, but just grab that faith and hold on. i willsay a prayer that your babies will be fine

  • @RuthJones-iz1ve
    @RuthJones-iz1ve 4 года назад

    Prayers for Lacy and your guiding hands.

  • @JanetKushnereit-yb7ck
    @JanetKushnereit-yb7ck 2 месяца назад

    You got this ladies ❤❤❤

  • @mbellisellis6022
    @mbellisellis6022 4 года назад

    Thank-you for all your knowledge Chrystal! We’re newish nigerian dwarf goat owners, now with four preggo does :)

  • @debbiemaccabe1929
    @debbiemaccabe1929 4 года назад

    Hi 🙋‍♀️. I really love you videos. Love the baby’s 🌸🌸🌸🌸🌸. Thank you 😊

  • @eddieflowers7939
    @eddieflowers7939 4 года назад +18

    Are there no vets to call on during this time? I would be scared silly to have such responsibility like that placed on my shoulders! Hope all goes well. Gale Flowers

    • @CaylaFenton-Reeder
      @CaylaFenton-Reeder 4 года назад +7

      Yes, there is a vet but it's 45 minutes away and hundreds of dollars, even for over the phone consultations are expensive.

    • @BlueCactusDairyGoats
      @BlueCactusDairyGoats  4 года назад +9

      There are vets but they are very expensive and I have to be the one to care for these issues. I am their vet in most cases.

  • @ArreisMorsCI
    @ArreisMorsCI 4 года назад +17

    Oh man, now I'm just waiting to hear about Lacy and how things went!!! This waiting is torture, but it's nothing compared to what you went through. This is another great video Crystal, watching Daren and Emily play with the kids is so fun!!! Thanks for sharing with us again!!

  • @rileysheart8340
    @rileysheart8340 4 года назад

    Oh no. I hope all goes well. I have been checking back over and over for the next video. BTW you are so good with them. You can see in their eyes that they look to you for comfort.

  • @janetmcdonald9340
    @janetmcdonald9340 4 года назад

    Emily is so smart regarding the goats. I love listening to her!

  • @haroldbrowne1708
    @haroldbrowne1708 4 года назад +7

    Sorry to hear that about Lacey. She's in great hands though, with your family caring for her. Best wishes

  • @normabaldridge6563
    @normabaldridge6563 4 года назад

    My 30 years as a surgical nurse saw many of these in women. I wish I could be ther to help but you have my prayers and have heart , you have many prayers.🙏🏼💜🐐🐐🐐🐐

  • @AnimalsByTheAcre
    @AnimalsByTheAcre 4 года назад +4

    People need to realize unfortunately goats are not like dogs and cats. I see a lot of people saying “get a c-section” like it’s some simple easy fix. I don’t think they understand how life threatening that is to a goat. The procedure is extremely dangerous and sadly most goats don’t survive it. Goats don’t handle sedation well as it is and because the surgery is so invasive and traumatic it’s a long painful recovery for the doe. It is an absolute last resort in the goat world. Crystal is doing what’s safest for Lacy and the kids.

    • @oranjmusemeyer968
      @oranjmusemeyer968 4 года назад

      Yes, they give them a local and do the surgery while they are standing- at least that's how I saw it done. My doe still died a few days later.😔 my vet had students with him to observe... or else I wouldn't have put her through it.

    • @AnimalsByTheAcre
      @AnimalsByTheAcre 4 года назад +1

      Oranjmuse Meyer Sorry for your loss. 😔 I’ve seen videos of two being preformed for kids too large to fit through the pelvis, one vet knocked the doe out completely and the other just lightly sedated with a local. (Poor goat still cried with the local. 😭) Both does passed away after a day or two.
      I was surprised the vets always went in on the left side. So they had to move the rumen out of the way and fish around to get the kids on the right side. Seemed way more invasive than it needed to be, I hope I never have to have it done to my girls. It’s one of my worst fears as a breeder. 😣

    • @Joyfulgoats
      @Joyfulgoats 4 года назад

      Agreed my vets first thing is a C section is needed and all but 1 time I disagreed

  • @amandaclark1800
    @amandaclark1800 4 года назад +7

    I now understand why there hasn't been any update on Lacy until now. This is a doozy. I'm very sorry and I just hope everything went okay with her. My heart and thoughts are with you and your herd and I will of course be staying tuned. 💔

  • @nancywalter6461
    @nancywalter6461 3 года назад

    Praying the babies are okay and your goat

  • @healingsprings11
    @healingsprings11 4 года назад +4

    Prayers that all goes smoothly ..poor dear Lacy ! You've got this Crystal !!! 👍

  • @christinekirstein1965
    @christinekirstein1965 4 года назад

    Babies are awesome

  • @Edwardidamae
    @Edwardidamae 4 года назад +2

    Crystal You are Phenomenal. Just Remain Calm Because I’ve been wanting you & I can tell that your Goats Feed off of your Energy. Your Energy is Very Positive By the Way 💛💛

  • @vermontmom4232
    @vermontmom4232 4 года назад +6

    Crystal, you and Lacy are so in my thoughts and prayers. Fingers are crossed for the both of you and for the best outcome possible... Sorry, what a year!!!

  • @ZebraChanda
    @ZebraChanda 4 года назад +11

    Poor girl I know her pain, anxiously awaiting the rest of the videos.

  • @lizouellette3072
    @lizouellette3072 4 года назад +5

    Oh Crystal. So sorry to hear that Lacey is having complications. Lacey has the best person possible with her. We'll do be praying for her and you. 🙏🙏🙏

  • @jaymesmith3290
    @jaymesmith3290 4 года назад +10

    You got this...if you weren't nervous and anxious, that would be a problem. From what I have seen, when it's time to get down to business, your nerves go away! You're awesome!! Great animal husbandry!!

  • @colleenhoperue5538
    @colleenhoperue5538 4 года назад +6

    Crystal, I surely will be praying for y'all. Please hug her for me if she let's you.You know I'll be cheering her on.🐐❤😪

  • @cherylo1796
    @cherylo1796 4 года назад +20

    Your son and daughter are so cute with your kids, and I loved the comment I think my mom has a goat problem. (Transliteration: moms a goat hoarder lol). You keep all those cute babies 2 and 4 legged ❤️

  • @conniebennett180
    @conniebennett180 4 года назад

    I hope she is gonna be ok.💕

  • @judithjeffrey5976
    @judithjeffrey5976 4 года назад +1

    God bless Lacy , all the best precious goat! 🐐😬

  • @evelynpsa1127
    @evelynpsa1127 4 года назад

    Thank You, enjoyed watching baby goats and laughter of your kids.

  • @cowperson4763
    @cowperson4763 4 года назад +3

    I really hope everything goes well when Lacy delivers. My thoughts and prayers are with you and Lacy. Was fun watching the kids play with the kids.

  • @laverenejohnson9899
    @laverenejohnson9899 4 года назад +1

    I pray god give you the power and the drinks to help Lacie hopefully she will be fine and the babies will be great my prayers are with your Crystal I'm praying for Lacey to no you have the knowledge

  • @ZeeshanAli-ls3ey
    @ZeeshanAli-ls3ey 4 года назад +3

    So sweet babies mam I'm waiting your next video thanks I'm from Pakistan

  • @wisconsinwarrior38
    @wisconsinwarrior38 4 года назад

    Praying for you guys! 🙏

  • @donnabidwell8809
    @donnabidwell8809 4 года назад +1

    Praying for a good outcome for Lacey and her babies.Love your channel and all the information you provide thank you for sharing.Maddie has some beautiful babies

  • @cathymorasch4164
    @cathymorasch4164 4 года назад +4

    Wow, scary but you’re doing the best for her.

  • @rainiedaz3465
    @rainiedaz3465 4 года назад +1

    I learn a lot from you. Thanks for allowing us to see your videos.

  • @SsuperLuña
    @SsuperLuña 4 года назад +6

    💜💜🐐💕so cute 🍼🍼🐐 hope mama Lacy have healthy babys.

  • @alisonlightner866
    @alisonlightner866 4 года назад +1

    Praying for you and your baby goats and Lacy.

  • @macallmoore9830
    @macallmoore9830 4 года назад +9

    A vet is not a "fix all" part of being into animal husbandry. You can be just as educated, or even more so of an expert with dedication and study. Just like a vet does. Breeding and keeping is just that, taking care of them and the problems! Do what you can and learn what's the best method. Keep your game face on.

    • @BlueCactusDairyGoats
      @BlueCactusDairyGoats  4 года назад +1

      Thank you!

    • @macallmoore9830
      @macallmoore9830 4 года назад +1

      @@BlueCactusDairyGoats thank you for sharing videos of the realness! You could be helping someone through the same problems.

  • @lindamyers9736
    @lindamyers9736 4 года назад +1

    I've been watching only a few days and I 'am amazed at how the goat seem to love you ,,, Your awesome

  • @colleenhoperue5538
    @colleenhoperue5538 4 года назад +3

    Lacey,Crystal's gonna be with you.Youll be alright. I'll be cheering you on from Trenton NJ.🐐❤😪

    • @rachealwood462
      @rachealwood462 4 года назад +1

      What's up Trenton! S. Philly ∆∆

  • @debbiebenjamin7911
    @debbiebenjamin7911 4 года назад

    Oh dear. Prayers that all goes well for you and this is over with soon. I know that you’ll do a fantastic job, as always. I love when your daughter runs with the kids. How they love her! It’s been a trying birthing season, but you did get many beauties! {{HUGS}}

  • @patriciablanton6243
    @patriciablanton6243 4 года назад +3

    Prayers for all, hope things went well.

  • @jenniferhuff2547
    @jenniferhuff2547 4 года назад +1

    Oh no Crystal, I hope momma and babies will be ok. Prayers everything goes well for you, Lacy and her babies. Much love from OHIO ❤️❣️❣️❤️

  • @heavenly-dreamsdairygoats
    @heavenly-dreamsdairygoats 4 года назад +1

    Sorry to hear this. I hope all goes well. Last year was my bad kidding season. So I hope this will be good safe deliveries with healthy babies and Mama. Stay safe everyone. God Bless

  • @eggyizzard947
    @eggyizzard947 4 года назад +1

    Just wanted to say whoever edited this vid did a stand-up job. Particularly the transition from Emily milking the kids to you giving us an update on Lacy at the end - Was really impressed!
    Whatever happened with Lacy I know you will have done your absolute best for her, with all your love and soul. Sending well wishes from the uk!

  • @newdayfarm9463
    @newdayfarm9463 4 года назад

    Oh noooo!! 😢 prayers for peace and swift delivery. Hope Lacey recovers fast.

  • @jessicahanson2409
    @jessicahanson2409 4 года назад +4

    😢 I’m sorry you’re having to deal with so many things this kidding season. I hope everything went okay and that mom and babies are doing good 💕

  • @JusticeDue911
    @JusticeDue911 4 года назад +1

    Sure hope all goes well. Best wishes.

  • @bobbikuhn3496
    @bobbikuhn3496 4 года назад +1

    Praying for her labor to start soon and for everything to work out for her and her babies. Hang in there my friend. You guys do a wonderful job with your animals. I will be back for updates.

  • @JessicaSmith-oh8dn
    @JessicaSmith-oh8dn 4 года назад +2

    I am so sorry for you guys and for Lacy! You've already been through so much this kidding season. I'll keep Lacy in my thoughts and prayers. May you be blessed with courage, wisdom, and a calm spirit in the midst of all this!

  • @sharronhider4778
    @sharronhider4778 3 года назад

    You got this girl, faith give it to GOD !!!!!!

  • @justsomerandomontheinternet
    @justsomerandomontheinternet 4 года назад +4

    Prayers🙏🏽🙏🏽🙏🏽 that everything went smoothly, and Lacy girl is doing wonderful, and has made a full recovery from her ordeal. It's sad how many people had to deal with complications this kidding season. This is just not a good time for anyone right now, including animals. 🙏🏽🙏🏽🙏🏽

  • @neweverymorningmercy3491
    @neweverymorningmercy3491 4 года назад +1

    Awww...I'm hoping all went well.

  • @mariescott8957
    @mariescott8957 4 года назад +2

    We have had does do this that r vary heavy with kids. Vet told us to just keep a close eye on them. He said that 90% of the time when they go into labor every thing will relax and there will be no problem and he was right. In my 20 year with goat we have had about 7 or 8 do it and never had to Intervene. Good luck! Hope everything goes well!

  • @southernbelle3995
    @southernbelle3995 4 года назад +1

    I am so sorry to hear of Lacy's complications. With anyone else I might be worried, but I know, if anyone can, you will pull her through this. You all can do this. I have a lot of faith in you. Stay strong.

  • @Audin-ol4xl
    @Audin-ol4xl 4 года назад

    You and your family have such compassion, care, concern for all of your furbabies. You are doing a fantastic job. You know your goats, what to do, etc. Some people just don't understand, when it comes to vets, especially during this crisis. It helps to talk to other goat professionals. God Bless! You can do this she's in good hands. Get Lodi "Look what I can do" for President 2020 to help cheer you on! Great video. Love seeing the kuds (human and furry) having great playtime. Prayers!

  • @normabaldridge6563
    @normabaldridge6563 4 года назад

    My prayers are with you and I’m praying that angels surround you and Lacey.

  • @vickiporter4804
    @vickiporter4804 4 года назад +3

    Omgoodness, I had forgotten how flashy the babies are😄

  • @scarletoaknigerians9294
    @scarletoaknigerians9294 4 года назад

    Ugh, moments like these I feel like giving up. Thankfully my kidding season went great with no complications. Excited for next year but dreading it at the same time

  • @vickykirkland6629
    @vickykirkland6629 4 года назад +1

    Poor lacy . That looks painful . Bless her .

  • @jeriannroberts1816
    @jeriannroberts1816 4 года назад

    That had to have been just as frightening as having been told that your own labor is not progressing cause something is wrong. You are well equipped to handle it. Blessings

  • @terrisuzuki6367
    @terrisuzuki6367 4 года назад +1

    Hang in there, Crystal.

  • @ShellyCurrier
    @ShellyCurrier 4 года назад

    Such gorgeous little girls!!!

  • @kym7081
    @kym7081 4 года назад

    Prayers for you Crystal and the family... poor Lacey girl.❤️ from Ottawa Canada

  • @MillaRaeDeshibeau
    @MillaRaeDeshibeau 4 года назад +1

    Omgosh Lacy girl! Prayers you can get it all done. This year is the year of many situations. You got this Crystal!! You have a great support team (family)!! We are also cheering you on. 🙌🏽👏🏾 I am so happy you also have such a great group of resources to confide in. I believe in you!!🙏🏽🙏🏽🙏🏽❤️❤️❤️
    The kids with babies are are fun!! Hope Val’s kids are growing well and hopefully their teeth are growing in. :-)

  • @angelawallace803
    @angelawallace803 3 года назад

    I just think you’re so brave, I’d have to get the vet

  • @corrinnehoffman3248
    @corrinnehoffman3248 4 года назад

    I'm so sorry Crystal, this has been the worst ever year for kidding! I feel so bad for Lacy and what she's going thru and you're all in my prayers.

  • @randalllaue4042
    @randalllaue4042 4 года назад

    Where is the lady? Can she get help at ranch? NEVER THOUGHT I WOULD BE INVOLVED WITH THIS!

  • @deborahjaniak7531
    @deborahjaniak7531 4 года назад

    I think I have a goat problem tooooooo! So adorable!

  • @coolestgrammyintown5598
    @coolestgrammyintown5598 4 года назад

    Aww she was a good girl when you gave the injection!💞💞

  • @bels3873
    @bels3873 4 года назад +3

    Now I want to be part of a baby goat cuddle puddle too.

  • @yassejen3122
    @yassejen3122 4 года назад +2

    Od no, seen bunch of youtubers animals with this problem :( I really really hope she survives❤️Sad to hear this :(❤️❤️❤️❤️

  • @34purplepower
    @34purplepower 4 года назад

    Cant wait to hear an update, home everything is ok

  • @CheryllWesoja
    @CheryllWesoja 4 года назад

    sending prayers for mom and babies

  • @darlenebracken5482
    @darlenebracken5482 4 года назад +1

    Fingers crossed!!

  • @linmetcalf5468
    @linmetcalf5468 4 года назад

    All those cute babies I'd want to keep them all.

  • @colleenhoperue5538
    @colleenhoperue5538 4 года назад +1

    Brian came in from cleaning up after the dog earlier while I was first watching this video. He saw I had tears in my eyes n he was like,what's wrong?I'm like,Laceys not doing so well with her labor.I explained what was going on to him.Brian shook his head,...we are both so worried...🐐😪❤

  • @henriettajones726
    @henriettajones726 4 года назад

    I LOVE THAT MUSIC. IM FROM THE SMOKEY MOUNTAINS.

  • @janethedberg9581
    @janethedberg9581 4 года назад

    They’ve so pretty! Fun to watch.

  • @Calla-sl8gd
    @Calla-sl8gd 4 года назад

    Hi Crystal, good video as always. I'm really sorry to hear about Lacey. I know you have a larger herd these days, and you're planning on keeping a couple of your baby does, but it's hard to lose two proven breeding does in one year, especially Lacey. She's given you some good babies over the years, especially Lucky. Hang tough, girl, it's about all you can do. Keep us up to date, you know we're pulling for you. Take good care ...

  • @fcanjsss
    @fcanjsss 4 года назад

    Sorry to hear that. We dealt with our first vaginal and rectal prolapse from one of our does. Vet put in a paddle and that held things in, she did go into labor on day 146. she wouldn't fully dilate so needed help getting them out. We pulled them. You got this!

  • @Zarmiera
    @Zarmiera 4 года назад +21

    I think this is justa bad year for everyone. So many bad things this year...SOOOO many youtubers like you guys are having complications with labor and birth this year or stillborns.
    Praying you guys get through this with everyone safe and sound. Does a prolapse mean she will be culled from breeding...?

    • @justsomerandomontheinternet
      @justsomerandomontheinternet 4 года назад +8

      I was about to comment this same exact thing. This is just not a good year for anyone, animals included. So many complications with so many goats, or even ewes. Sad... But, as far as her being culled, the title does say, it's going to be Lacy's last labor, so, most likely she isn't going to get bred anymore. Which would be a smart decision to not breed her. Poor baby..... It's sad how many are having complications this year.

    • @BlueCactusDairyGoats
      @BlueCactusDairyGoats  4 года назад +18

      She will be retired.

    • @kimnisley2563
      @kimnisley2563 4 года назад +4

      In rabbits we don’t have a choice. The doe has to be put down. There are no fixes that will last. In 18 years I only had it happen one time. I was unable to foster her kits and lost my favorite doe and her entire litter. I cried.

    • @3D-Ducks
      @3D-Ducks 4 года назад

      This was my first year having baby goats myself, and I had to go in and get 3 babies from one goat, lost one from a set of twins from another goat, and had a uterine torsion resulting in the death of the only baby which was a girl in a different goat.

  • @michellepernula872
    @michellepernula872 4 года назад

    Thank goodness she didn't have to have a c -sectioning or lose them !! Poor baby !! She looks so swollen too. Very sensitive area anyways and with a stuck kid or prolapse it's firing pain constantly.

  • @emilygibbs8323
    @emilygibbs8323 4 года назад

    I am so sorry.

  • @lisacasoli
    @lisacasoli 4 года назад

    Feel terrible with whats going on with lacy poor baby I this this year has been the most worse one yet as far as all the issues were facing I hope your goats will have their babies good hope you get a lot of girls your bombbarded with boys

  • @ilenetedescucci6923
    @ilenetedescucci6923 4 года назад

    Crystal, how is Lacey doing? I hope to hear soon that you have been able to get the babies and help her Lacey too.

  • @goatsilove6808
    @goatsilove6808 4 года назад +3

    27th comment!
    What an interesting kidding season this has been for you. And many other RUclipsrs I Watch have been having some difficulty with their animals birthing as wll. (Strange year it's been🤔) With many turns and loops, (literally.) Hopefully Lacey will be alright, I had one kid triplets a few weeks ago, and she had a prolapse a few days before she delivered, she popped them out in about 30 minutes. With no assistance needed!, with Lacey being one of the favorite goats I enjoy watching on here, I hope that everything will go quick and smooth. And fingers crossed for does! (That are in the right position!)🤞🙂

    • @OceanSwimmer
      @OceanSwimmer 4 года назад +2

      Good to hear from another goat breeder who has faced the same situation.
      Did your doe birth spontaneously, or did you administer Lutelize?

    • @vickyl1437
      @vickyl1437 4 года назад +3

      @@OceanSwimmer hey! (same person different account) she went into labor naturally. :) and had a relatively smooth labor. Got to does and a buck out of it. This was her second freshening, and she recovered really well after it, and hasn't seemed to skip a beat. And is Raising the triplets wonderfully. 😊

    • @OceanSwimmer
      @OceanSwimmer 4 года назад +1

      @@vickyl1437 -- Thank you for your kind reply.
      It is encouraging to know that it is possible for a doe w/a prolapse to do okay.... every situation is different!
      Ppl used to ask me (retired surgical RN) if I 'got bored with the same operations' --- and I always said they are never the same because every patient is different!
      Crystal takes great care of her herd; they are well fed, maintained, and observed carefully. I think Lacie has a good chance for everything to go well. Prayin' for them.
      I hope we see the other 3 videos soon! Anxious for the outcome.

  • @Dr.MelveenaD.Edwards
    @Dr.MelveenaD.Edwards Месяц назад

    Thank you for sharing the beautiful delivery. Why are gloves not worn during the birth process?

  • @jessicap0219
    @jessicap0219 4 года назад

    First ever C Section today and saw this video while I was waiting at the Vet. 2020 just sucks all around.

  • @soniahanley6605
    @soniahanley6605 4 года назад

    Good luck hun hope all goes well with ur little girl sadly this happens in all animals for many different reasons I have horses and I’ve seen it a lot in mare in foal and also in horses who have had colic wishin u the best I’ll be checkin in to see if u have posted a new vlog hopin babies r all born safely all the best fingers crossed for u ♥︎♥︎♥︎

  • @jeannemariebizeaujohnson8717
    @jeannemariebizeaujohnson8717 4 года назад +3

    Oh Geeze..
    💗🙏🏼🙏🏼

  • @nita7pie
    @nita7pie 3 года назад

    @ Eddie I spoke of the samething about the vet cuz they have to many animals for not to have one.That is so so dangerous.I've always had one dog and I keep vets for them wouldn't have one without a vet....they've got to do something!!