New generation light weight batteries for electric vehicles
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- Опубликовано: 5 сен 2024
- The new efficient battery packs from Lithium House for electric vehicles. 10 times lighter.
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There's just something off about seeing "11 years ago" on RUclips.
You are about right. Some people spent over $10K to upgrade their Toyota Prius to become a plug-in hybrid car that falls in the same ballpark figure as your estimates. EV and PHEV badly need some battery technology break through to bring down the price and extend the longivity. Regular consumers will not spend that kind of money regardless how clean the cars are.
Also some research company is developing production automation with carbon fibers. Which is super strong and super light. Race cars are using carbon fibers already, it is not yet common because the manufacturing process is too slow and expensive. New production technique may change that.
BMS = Battery Management System.
Measures and reacts to max and min voltage per cell to keep to cell from over charging or discharging and usually also balanced the cells when charging. Most RCs using Li-po can't run without them.
I don't think there was a conspiracy. I believe the technologies were not ready back then. Nowadays, we see Tesla, Karma, Nissan Leaf, etc. on the market. They are still not cheap enough for the public. It is still not very practical. GM could have kept their EV1 program running at least to prove to the public it was not ready for primetime yet. Crushing all the EVs at the time did indeed leave a doubt in peoples mind. But GM is a private company, what can consumers do about their move?
As long as there are oil company lobbyists, alternative energy will have to overcome many obstacles. Americans have short term memory, when gas price goes up, they want electric cars, when gas price drops, they want Hummers and muscle cars. I heard crude oil price has drop recently, electric cars will be forgotten again soon.
HEAR HEAR! It's also crucial to tell your politicians you don't support tax breaks to oil and would like to see incentives for alternative electric cars associated industries like battery mfgs/solar.
I have shared my opinions about EVs on my own website. See the link in the "About" section above. Leave comment if you have your opinion too.
You have to be talking about non-rechargables i.e. once they are flat you bin them.
Rechargable cost quite abit more. A123 Li-ion cells as used in Dewalt power tools are about $10.00-14.00 a cell but will last 3000+ recharges.
I have seen 18650 (close to AA size) Li-ion batteries in bulk for as little as $3.00ea, but the technical specs for them were unknown. (i.e. if they're rubbish they won't last many cycles) That's still $3000 to get 10kw/hr but you'll need a BMS to make them last.
It's actually an adoption and social issue. Producers know how to make great batteries. As demand increases, commodity production costs reduce as a result of streamlining logistical operations towards value. We've observed that concept proven in every mainstream industry. However, oil companies are quite good at marketing through psychological tactics. As a result, weak minds are slaves to oil.
I saw 4packs of lithium aa's for $1. Buy a box or two of them and i'm sure your shipping can get down to $100.. you'd have to make sure they were all vented properly.
the batteries were 1.2v and 2500maH
Excellent electric motorcycle.
+Kevin Barton - Have you watched the movie Avengers, Age of Ultron? I think the Harley Davidson ridden by the Black Widow is an electric bike!
It's interesting to me that around the time of the Rio Earth Summit (global climate change talks) crude oil jumps down by +-20% after long term price increases.
This looks all pretty and cool on the screen, but that's all. Sadly, you'll find tons of "invisible" obstacles while trying to convert or be part of this. Just try it.
These ev need a small portable round generator for more power to the extras like lights sound sys and motor. The gen would also be used to charge the lithium batteries on the go. It will have like those bike gears how when u stop pedaling it still spins, well when the vehicle stops the gear with the chain still moves still supplying electricity to the vehicle, so less time charging.
@thejailbirdz Remember that doing a prototype is different from producing a million copies that would last 10 years each. Before the Big 3 can sell the solution as a product, they need to time-test the technology and be sure it would not bankrupt them when every customer comes back for warranty services. The Toyota Prius battery has a 10 years 150K mile warranty for a reason. The on board computer restricts the charging and discharging cycle between 40% to 80% only. Can't do that on EV-cars.
If you add a bank of super capacitors, they can be charged in moments, then, use the S C to turn an alternator that charges the batteries. It saves time.
Excellent
I'm not sure what you mean by "better". What I meant is that mass production typically leads to lower production costs; ie increased profit margins and discounts at the store. The challenge of any commodity based market is for costs to come down, there is need to increase demand. By saying batteries need to allow driving nonstop to your friends place rather than considering simply charging your car midway, you are asking for something that depends on your very consideration.
I will never stop using combustion engined cars, even if gasoline and diesel runs out, we can drive on pure Etanol with some modifications
Thank you, you are right that they weren't li-ion. They were Nimh rechargables. Same stats (2500mAh)..but they may be poor quality. They are about 25-50 cents each..rechagable more than 1000 times. What's a BMS?
If you use A123 cells 1000 will give about 9kw/hr, good enough for 100km range with a 1000kg car, but you're way off on the cost.
The A123 Prius plug-in module that's only 5kw/hr costs $10,000. If it was only $1000 we'd all be driving EVs NOW!!
Built in obsolescence is what made Detriot fall so far behind. Remembered all the old American cars that wouldn't last 70K miles before Honda made cars that last 300K miles. People including politicians will change under pressure from competition. Besides, it is unsafe to create an indestructible car. All safe cars must include a crumble zone to absorb impact energy. i.e. even the strongest car must be designed to collapse to protect the passengers. Hence no car will last forever.
The question is, can we adapt to increased global warming and what does THAT world look like? Is it a world you want a part of? If so, what seperates you from other people who you share commonalities with? Enviro degradation, undermining of human rights, exploitation, and health problems will only be diminished for the rich who can afford the priviledge. And is there a world in which only some have a right to live? There are costs to each method of adaptation and we must look at them all.
there appears some notable mistakes in describing the batteries and that its not a hybrid but true electric car. When was this video created?
What program was this on? Beyond 2000 or Beyond Tomorrow? The spacey looking car early on in the video was featured in an article back in 1991 about two French guys who invented a 'source battery'. I wanted to see the vehicle go into production, but never heard another word about it. Wondered what happened?
Stanford developed a lithium battery with 10x the charge of Lithium batteries. It has been revealed that Saudi Arabia now funds that project and there have been no further press releases on this battery since 2007.
Who will bury the MIT battery?
I've read a lot of the commentary below. The mistake is assuming that a 'standard' (is there such a thing?) pure electric vehicle (EV - NOT a hybrid) will perform the same as one powered by fossil fuels. The existing expectation is an auto that will drive +300 miles on a tank of gas... and purchasers seem to expect the same from an EV on a full electric charge. Wrong idea. The greatest percentage of daily driving is local in nature. Purchase or build your own EV for all those local trips for shopping, sports, visiting, etc. Keep the gas motor vehicle for long trips. That scenario makes much more sense to me than continually attempting to reinvent a better mouse trap (oh look, my battery is better than yours - Yeah, and twice as expensive!). I've already built my own dual-axis solar tracking system that powers my 2-story house, and am shopping for a vehicle to convert to EV myself. The VW Karman Ghia is high on my list - but affordable kits are available to convert just about any rolling vehicle out there right now. Consider, why would I pay + $40,000 for a commercial EV - when I can purchase an old car/truck in reasonable shape cheap, throw away anything and everything in it that runs on gas, and for about $6,000 buy a commercially available EV kit for a fun DIY conversion?
+Knight Six - Instead of keeping one EV for long trip and another fossil fuel vehicle for long trip, the other option is to own a plug-in hybrid with a longer electric range. Forget about the Prius plug-in because it could only go 11 miles before the gas engine kicks in. I believe the Chevy Volt can go 50+ miles on battery before its on board generator kicks in. It is essentially an EV for local trip and seamlessly becomes a hybrid on long trip.
You may be incorporated into the roof solar panels to charge the batteries while driving or just when it is parked outside in the sun
Congratulations on your new EV! I know what you mean and you have a valid point. I am a vigilant guardian of good ideas, sometimes to a fault. Which one did you buy? I'd go Nissan Leaf myself, or a brave DIY conversion with some electric/mechanical engineer help from friends.
Why not a nicely emulated, fake Hemi or Big Block cap over the under hood system? One could even have "Big Motor" Audio and vibration with selectable engine sound effect types for variety. Even engine vibration could be included in the seats like surround sound.
+lakecrab I think that was already done. I remember watching something where the designer added simulated engine sounds to change the driving experience of the quiet electric cars. Those who want peace and quiet can turn the sound system off. Others who need audio feedback from pressing the accelerator can select from various engine roars. I would prefer the sound of the Jetson's flying car.
state of the art Li-ion cell which are the usual 18650 cells that can be found inside all laptops battery packs
It was on the Beyond Tomorrow show. I don't have the answer for your other questions.
@XCritonX Yes that is a good point.
"Furthermore a lot of people have been killed by people who claim to only act for the "greater good". By that logic, if I drive, I kill because SOME people commit murder with a car. Arguments are NOT meant to belittle character or oppose human rights, but rather to allow for introspection, consideration and questioning of what we have experienced, to facilitate a search for truth. Perhaps the discourse is unwelcome with you. Sure, we adapt. It is HOW we adapt that changes things.
Cool what is the difference between lithium polymer and Li-ion? I got Lithium Polymer on my electric bike!
If you can get your hands on aircraft batteries they are light weight lithium that will do the job perfect
@cplai arent the carbon nanotube one's actually super capacitors?
@XCritonX Wouldn't Carbon Fiber be lighter and stronger? Though It might be more expensive right now.
Associates from MIT claimed to have found a way to contain 100x the charge in Lithium batterys, I completly missed its showing on "G4 Tech TV" So I have no further info.
My assumptions are, theyed have to be unstable, but its something to look into.
They've had 200 yrs, so there are no excuses, only reasons - mostly political/finance. Perhaps instead of Citizen tax moneys going to save GM in trouble with no strings attached, people and politicians can back them with an alternative energy clause to the bailout agreement. That way the people would see alittle more of their tax dollars at work for something GOOD.
love it!!! looking to making an electric go kart!!\
dammit i need a bigger motor!
What if your car plug is in compatible with the charging station's plug?
How do these EV's run the heat and AC.? In Connecticut we need a lot of both.
Heat and AC can be electric. As a matter of fact, the Toyota Prius hybrid also converted the heat, the AC and the power steering to all electric powered because the hybrid car is smart enough to stop the engine to save gas at the right time, yet the comfort and safety of the driver will not be compromised when the engine power is shut off. For EVs, the choice is obvious when there is no hot exhaust, or belt drive off the spinning engine.
For heat, I'd use one of those truck diesel powered heaters. Eber something...
They use about a cup of fuel per night.
concerning the 6 volt battery reverse polarization comment: Yes, no doubt there are facts missing, possibly the inventor had a number of batteries connected in series to supply the required current, etc., in any event,the story was relayed to me from a gentleman who actually read the L.A. Times story. He misplaced the article, but remembered the date and newspaper. I did a fairly extensive search, and started to find related articles regarding the theory of reverse-pole phenomenon in the L.A. Times archives. The story goes that the inventor invited several Oil Exec's to witness the demonstration and instead of embracing the idea they allegedly eliminated both him and his idea. Current knowledge, as a rule, is a chronologically-mapped point of fabricated theories that are proven out through belief of what constitutes material characteristics and accepted properties. A person hypnotized will believe and consequently experience the unaccepted norms, ie: sour sugar, sweet lemon, etc., etc.. So, the inventor may discover a principal that he alone can conceive, reaching a dimension, mentally inconceivable to others. This is why I believe the battery-based "impossibility" is feasible, just because the idea proved out only to that particular individual mental sphere doesn't make it "unthinkable".
@trexinvert I heard that scientists were researching on carbon nanotubes batteries which would make lithium polymer a dinosaur.
Lithium Polymer are no good for electric cars because of the downsides of LiPo: temperature sensitivity, and SOC volatility... meaning the battery HATES it if you leave it fully charged (80+%) and almost discharged (
take a 6 v DC car battery, perform reverse-polarization, converting DC to AC the resulting electrical current will create an enormous, non-depleting supply of amperage; enough to energize a household's lighting needs. This was accomplished in 1953 and deonstrated to a group of oil CEO's in Los Angeles. The demonstration was so impressive that the inventor was not to be heard of again, nor his converted battery discovery. I did some investigation of the story carried in the L.A. Times (1953), and I was getting close to the story. I didn"t pursue it "to the end", but it is a true event.
Unless there are some missing details in the story, what you described is scientifically impossible. Nowadays I can buy an inverter, plug in to the cigarette lighter socket of my car and I get 110V AC current from it. But the amperage is limited. The energy have to come from somewhere and the energy capacity of a battery is quite limited.
See thorconpower.com/ I think it is the future of cheap energy using Thorium as fuel which is a throw-away by-product of current rare-earth metal mining process. It was a 70 years old technology with a working prototype. The project was canceled because this technology could not produce weapon grade nuclear by-products like other nuclear breeder reactors. Nowadays the priorities have shifted from nuclear weapons to clean energy. The lack of dangerous by-products and its melt-down proof designs guarantee safe and clean nuclear power.
Sure, you can power a house with a proper converter.. but not for long with 6v Car battery... and I'm talking about mere minutes with a standard battery and house.
Those battery decays pretty quickly though...
its been 5 year past but still the battery is expensive... if you want this tobe the battery of the future let the price go down..
Yeah, the simpletons remember it only for their own wallets, while others look for responsible solutions that increase the overall value of returns (more than money), obstacles included :) But I think more people are aware of the electric car than even 10yrs ago. Politicians and peopla alike are challenged to either pursue an alternative opportunity or default to the old dirty way...weaksauce.
You could travel around the world in an EV. You just need a power plug within whatever the range specified, just as a gas car has a range. You also wouldn't pay a cent on gas. As a result of your reduction of fossil fuel demand, you also would not contribute to the displacement of people, ecosystem destruction, health threats, human rights violations and increased effects of climate change. But you don't have to plug it in, so it's better to go gas right? It's not as simple as you say.
IMO these are a standard as of 2014
not really, li-ion batteries are still far more cost effective. li-poly are just a tad lighter and far more compact, but for most purposes li-ions are still better considering most vehicles have plenty of space for lithium ion batteries
tienes razón pero entonces hay que bajar los indices de contaminación¡ aunque sea un poco,. para eso te regalo una idea! motor eléctrico+ generador eléctrico de 1 cilindro = auto híbrido, tendrás poco gasto y buena movilidad a cualquier hora y cualquier lugar, ahorrar 70%100 en combustible es muy bueno ¿no crees?..
As long as you also justify why you "need" luxury at the expense of sustainability/survival and why you "need" to travel furthur than 290 kms by car without stopping for lunch and a charge. With tax rebates, depending on where you live, you could only pay 32 000 for a 40k car. If you do spend an extra 10 grand, you save it back in less than a year. It's money over survival of the species when push comes to shove. I know luxury is important for human narcisism, but some things are important.
@cplai I heard that to!
As opposed to combustible gas, It's a wash.
They remove the alternator or dynamo inthe electric car designs so that they can still charge consumers in recharging their electric vehicles...
Shame I live in Canada. Totally overregulated and completely biased against electric. I have an electric scooter, that can't really make it up the hills because the maximum wattage allowed is 500 (same as a golf cart). Lowest maximum in the entire world.... Also, got fined for removing the anklebreakers that can be removed everywhere else in the world. .. oops i mean pedals.. if you leave them on they scrape the road when cornering causing the bike to flip. Bad in traffic to do that with a car barreling down on you. Our legislators don't give a F**k though.. if it doesn't bring in more cash into the coffers they aren't interested. We havent got any way to lobby them either, unlike the US. Once elected they can do whatever they please for 5 years.. . No electric future here for a while, I'm afraid...
Spirits KILL their DEMON QUEEN!
So easy to do for oneself. Why pay someone to convert?
oops..100x100 = 10,000. You need 10-20Kw for average range. You should be able to get there with $1000 or less.
How do I get more information about this battery. Can anyone help??
Battery has many problems, longevity, capacity, weight, size, charging time/cycles, discharging rate, toxic material etc. every aspect needs improvement. Hydrogen Fuel cell has problem with the hydrogen production and delivery infrastructure unlike the well established electric grid. If I have the money I'd rather invest in battery research than in the hydrogen economy. When will Ironman share his secret power source?
Two words. Lithium Polymer!!! Li-ion is dinosaur.
Does this mean that I couldn't jam out on my stereo system? Lol
now theres lithium sulphur batteries that are cheaper and lighter and more long lasting than lead acid and li-ion batteries.
just make them yourself. 100-200 aa batteries connected in series and parallel. easy enough
This just in, 11 years ago. Thanks RUclips?
@thejailbirdz Im in Roswell, NM may 24th2010 , and am already doing just that but mine is self sufficent , it never wilkl need charging , Im not joking , . . . russell the wizzard on my space
ur telling me...LOL trex ah double irony what will happen next!
When electric vehicles become as user-friendly as ic-engined ones, they will sweep the board. Why else is fossil-fuel so expensive these days?
how do you mean user friendly? as in convience of 200-300 mile range? or cost? honestly, the problem more or less that surrounds the 'gas' is the oil industry, they have a near stranglehold on society, its money, and its mobility. if your business is the root of next to all business, well...
@XCritonX see my video response titled HyperCar.
its happen now
whats the name of the company?
+terrance leacock Lithium House.
Nice, I saw the documentary "Who killed the electric car" three years ago on netflixs, I was shocked. I saw the ev do-it yourselfers and instantly knew that was me. So I have been researching and revising the process and components of building my own project ev. After 3 year of research I am looking forward to also embark on this awesome journey of the ev revolution. Thank you very much Sir Cplai, wish me luck!
lol, I had to retype/phrase about 10 things ;)
todo el carro es pura bateria no deben de buscar un generador dinamo alternador que mande mantenga el motor con solo 1 bateria de 800 amperio
2007, lol. It's 2010. Are you wrong..
wtf i cant hear the vid whats with the background sound
Of course they "can". Perhaps they don't want to. Think of giving none of your money to the richest corps in the world...
Lithium ist nicht die Lösung so viel gibt es nicht für alle. die Zukunft liegt in der Glasbatterie die 100 mal besser ist als Lithium
Instructions from the Avasva site are perfect for beginners.
no it's cars like that that make me RUN AWAY! (100, 150 miles on a charge) What trash!
This is old news
A 2008 video is old news? Why would you possibly say that? LOL We've come a long way since then, huh?