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My problem is how this Abu Bakr found out that the prophet was leaving Meccah. The prophet had to keep him for security reasons. The prophet had to silence him in the cave for security reasons.
There is a big difference between those who were born Shia and those who were born bakri and switched. Yes. Try to be nice and diplomatic. Yes. But don't have to give up. Don't just sacrifice the main point. What happened to the Prophet of Islam, what happened to his Ahlilbait after him and what has been happening to their followers. That's the point.
Quite unfortunate how the lecture is so focused on criticizing Sunni explanation and sources without even properly addressing the sources. It would have been more beneficial and strong if the focus was providing Hadith based evidences to back up the Shia seerah being discussed above. I’ve listened to various lectures on the Seerah of the Prophet (saws) - all Sunni based, from numerous scholars. Every one of them are well detailed with proper references and 99% of the time are free of saying anything against Shia sources or beliefs. It’s understandable to have differences, but why focus so much on the differences when we can use up our time to focus much on the message of Allah swt conveyed through the Prophet saws?
Salaam Alaykum. Thanks for dropping by. It seems this is the first episode of the series that have come across you. InshaAllah we hope you will listen to other episodes too, especially the ones in the beginning. If there are any specific references you are looking for you can share here in the comments section and we will arrange them right away.
Thank you brothers for this explanation. Sayed Mohammed Baqer Qazwini is a very amazing shcolar but the problem I have with him on some occassions is that he's almost putting on an act to try and not cause outrage from the sunnis who could potentially be watching the video. While, I agree we must be professional when discussing these matters but we shouldn't compromise on our beliefs and potentially give off the wrong portrayal of what we're trying to convey to the audience. We should just admit that based on the historical sources, we come to the conclusion that Abu Bakr was a hypocrite conversing with the Quraysh in order to kill the Prophet both in the bed and in the cave where he tried to make noises to alert the Quraysh about the whereabouts of the Prophet.
Salaam Alaykum. The School of Ahlulbayt is cautious about making conclusions in such situations. Both the Quran and Ahlulbayt discourage this approach.
To glorify, to portray virtues of their beloved elder, Abu bakkar, they made recorded such Hadiths, Sunni Aalims, glorify by narrating such Hadith, as if, how much sacrifice their elder did for the sake of Islam. how much pious man he was? Cave companion was Abu bakkar, even lent money to prophet s a w. Cock, Bull stories from Hadith, moulanas narrate, and lay Muslims listen to them, they believe moulanas, what they narrate is true. Now the Truth has been coming out, they are shaken, but by hook or crook, they try to justify their elders, to the extent of threats to the Aalims who brings out the reality.
We won't mind. But why is it that whenever we discuss the authenticity of some of the virtues of Abu Bakr, suddenly Imam Ali is brought into the discussion? Kind of proves our point that some of these virtues were created to shadow the sacrifices of Imam Ali.
@@Thaqlain Ali is bought because you show biasness regarding him. You will accept all kinds of fabricated virtues of Ali, believe that all prophets were sent to preach his wilayah ,several previous nations were destroyed because of rejecting Ali's wilayah and what not. And when you will find a single report of Abu Bakr doing anything for Islam,then it is fabricated by the ummayads. As for ahlus sunnah we have no problem in accepting Ali virtues,his sacrifices for Islam ,that he was unjustly martyred. And we have no problem in rejecting fabricated virtues of Abu Bakr and Ali, that's why scholars of ahlus sunnah will consider a narration exxagerating the status of Abu Bakr to be fabricated. As for Abu Bakr virtues being fabricated for overshadowing Ali's virtue, then the answer to that is, if Abu Bakr virtues are fabricated then Ali's virtues are also fabricated, and if Ali's virtues are sound so did that of Abu Bakr.
How is it fabricated that all Prophets were sent to preach the Prophethood of Prophet Muhammad (sallalahu alaihe wa'alihi) and Wilayah of Imam Ali? And why would we reject Abu Bakr's favours for Islam? We never said that anything that Abu Bakr did for Islam is fabricated except if it is proven by none other than your own scholars or your credible books to be otherwise 🙂
@@Thaqlain according to your narrations they were not even sent to preach wilayah of Ali but all 11 imams, while eleven of them are not even better than Hamza and Khadija, let alone the prophets, and Shia do reject Abu Bakr sacrifices for islam, it is too famous and cannot be denied and considered them ummayad fabrication. As for our books, authentic narrations and all the historical reports attest to the sacrifices of Abu Bakr and all the muhajiroon and Ansar.
Walaikumslam. First, 4000 dirham, what is your source on this. Do not pick any stuff up from anywhere & slander. Second, By not understanding my comment on the usage of the word "Holy" this is an exposition on your Aqeedah. For the Camels, it is clearly mentioned in our texts that Prophet Muhammad ﷺ, said & I am paraphrasing I will use the camel only if I purchase it first. This was the cahracter of Aqib ﷺ Not holy, but Aqib, Ahmed, Hamid, Mustafa, Al Amin, An Nadhir our Rasollullah ﷺ
I am not suggesting but asking you to refrain from it. One simple lookup of the word “Holy” in any of the dictionaries should give you the answer. At best, it’s a Bidah & at worst it can even be Kufr if one means that the Prophet was created from the Noor of Allah. Going back to the slander that you do, where are the references from Sahih sources. Do you realise the risk you are taking by slandering the companions of the Prophet SAW. But all you do is worship history albeit riddled with self contradiction. And please stop using Fadhail Amal & make it seem like Sunni sources.
In your last lecture, in an attempt to implicate Abu Bakr in the conspiracy against Rasurullah, you claimed that Abubakar and his family somehow knew that Rasurullah was migrating out. Here you're saying that only Ali knew about that migration
Even in that episode, Sayed has shared that it is based on the opinion of Ibn Ishaq and Ibn Hisham. And that it might be possible that Abu Bakr came to know this through Imam Ali after he saw Imam Ali sleeping at Prophet's bed.
You are mocking the choice of Prophet, you are a liar.. Next time you claim any hadith from the books of sunni, please give references as well.. because nothing of such exists in our books
Salaam Alaykum. Even though there is no mocking here, please let us know which specific thing you require reference of and we will be happy to share it.
@@ashvazdanghe no one glorify Caliph Abu Bakr r.a , it's your things that you use to seek help from Ali r.z , better don't try to teach islam when your lack in basic understanding of islam
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I am not convinced that Atiq, son of Abi Quhafah known as Abu Bakr, had anything to do with the Prophet's camel / transportation to Madinah. He did not have any assets or money. He didn't have that shop; the " imaginary " shop they included in the " the message " movie. In fact, the speaker did not want to go any further about Abu Bakr and family. Because he did not want to " embarrass " other schools of thoughts followers. I was a " Sunni " myself and I don't mind saying it. Abu Bakr and family used to chase off flies at food " tables " for rich meccans ; family level and social and big gatherings. Abu Bakr family were so poor to the point that they ate flies. It is there in your books.
Shias have changed every narration that gives credit to abubakr r.a, umar r.a and usman r.a . Shia belief being based on jealousy of the closest sahaba is absolutely nonsense as islam demands a character from each muslim where in he never hates any person leave aside the hatred f sahaba and wife f prophet saw.
The claim that these three were the closest was presented later to justify them becoming caliph. None of them ever claimed this. On the contrary, companions like Salman, Abu Dharr, Hamza, and Abu Dujana were closer to the Prophet. Also, we haven't changed any hadith. The books of Ahlal Sunnah themselves raise doubts about the hadith mentioned in some of their books. 🙂
oh my balhetr this ont info like to sihea that mistek info my balhetr : this sonny info my abo bakr order to burn a house fatima al zahra peace be upon her and Amar was he entered and hit him on the cheek: that info the people of abu bakr are the ones who burned the people: that should info in my Bani hashm do ont can't to that : is that correct shuk
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Thank you so much
Love the way you reply to the other school of thought
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Peace be with you and loved ones.
Please, don't get offended. I am on your side. I like your comments. You seem to be one of the faithful ones. Thank you very much for being you.
However, I have a small request if you don't mind.
Ex-sunni Maliki Muslim from Tunisia
@@adamnouri23 I also thank you so much
May Allah still guide us through the righteous path, the path of Mohammed waalı Mohammed
Insha Allah
Hunor to have you
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Great talk!🌺👍🏾💯🌹
I personally don't think that Abu Bakr had any role. He actually was a burden.
Alhamdulillah at least you admit Abubakar RA offered camels n he was with the rasool ALLAH SAW this great journey.
Why wouldn't we admit the facts as facts? :)
Thankyou for the lecture.
I love the qazwini family!!!❤❤❤
My problem is how this Abu Bakr found out that the prophet was leaving Meccah. The prophet had to keep him for security reasons. The prophet had to silence him in the cave for security reasons.
That is actually opinion of some scholars.
Jazakallah khair
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8:44 please mention the source you got this info that imam Ali and prophet peace be upon them bought the camels from Abu bakr r.A.a. Authentic?
Salaam Alaykum. We have requested Sayed for the exact references. InshaAllah we will be sharing them as soon as we get them from him.
Salam Alaikom
Behar Anwar vol 19 page 62
Amali by al-Tousi vol 2 page 83
Wafa’ al-Wafa’ vol 1 page 237
There is a big difference between those who were born Shia and those who were born bakri and switched.
Yes. Try to be nice and diplomatic. Yes. But don't have to give up. Don't just sacrifice the main point. What happened to the Prophet of Islam, what happened to his Ahlilbait after him and what has been happening to their followers. That's the point.
Quite unfortunate how the lecture is so focused on criticizing Sunni explanation and sources without even properly addressing the sources.
It would have been more beneficial and strong if the focus was providing Hadith based evidences to back up the Shia seerah being discussed above.
I’ve listened to various lectures on the Seerah of the Prophet (saws) - all Sunni based, from numerous scholars. Every one of them are well detailed with proper references and 99% of the time are free of saying anything against Shia sources or beliefs.
It’s understandable to have differences, but why focus so much on the differences when we can use up our time to focus much on the message of Allah swt conveyed through the Prophet saws?
Salaam Alaykum. Thanks for dropping by. It seems this is the first episode of the series that have come across you. InshaAllah we hope you will listen to other episodes too, especially the ones in the beginning.
If there are any specific references you are looking for you can share here in the comments section and we will arrange them right away.
@@Thaqlain By Allah, you will not be able to provide them ❤🌹
Thank you brothers for this explanation. Sayed Mohammed Baqer Qazwini is a very amazing shcolar but the problem I have with him on some occassions is that he's almost putting on an act to try and not cause outrage from the sunnis who could potentially be watching the video. While, I agree we must be professional when discussing these matters but we shouldn't compromise on our beliefs and potentially give off the wrong portrayal of what we're trying to convey to the audience. We should just admit that based on the historical sources, we come to the conclusion that Abu Bakr was a hypocrite conversing with the Quraysh in order to kill the Prophet both in the bed and in the cave where he tried to make noises to alert the Quraysh about the whereabouts of the Prophet.
Salaam Alaykum. The School of Ahlulbayt is cautious about making conclusions in such situations. Both the Quran and Ahlulbayt discourage this approach.
Al Haqq Al Haqq
To glorify, to portray virtues of their beloved elder, Abu bakkar, they made recorded such Hadiths, Sunni Aalims, glorify by narrating such Hadith, as if, how much sacrifice their elder did for the sake of Islam. how much pious man he was? Cave companion was Abu bakkar, even lent money to prophet s a w. Cock, Bull stories from Hadith, moulanas narrate, and lay Muslims listen to them, they believe moulanas, what they narrate is true. Now the Truth has been coming out, they are shaken, but by hook or crook, they try to justify their elders, to the extent of threats to the Aalims who brings out the reality.
Very nice try to overshadow the sacrifices of Abu Bakr for Islam, now can you do the same type of extreme evaluation for the sacrifices of Ali.
We won't mind. But why is it that whenever we discuss the authenticity of some of the virtues of Abu Bakr, suddenly Imam Ali is brought into the discussion? Kind of proves our point that some of these virtues were created to shadow the sacrifices of Imam Ali.
@@Thaqlain Ali is bought because you show biasness regarding him. You will accept all kinds of fabricated virtues of Ali, believe that all prophets were sent to preach his wilayah ,several previous nations were destroyed because of rejecting Ali's wilayah and what not. And when you will find a single report of Abu Bakr doing anything for Islam,then it is fabricated by the ummayads. As for ahlus sunnah we have no problem in accepting Ali virtues,his sacrifices for Islam ,that he was unjustly martyred. And we have no problem in rejecting fabricated virtues of Abu Bakr and Ali, that's why scholars of ahlus sunnah will consider a narration exxagerating the status of Abu Bakr to be fabricated. As for Abu Bakr virtues being fabricated for overshadowing Ali's virtue, then the answer to that is, if Abu Bakr virtues are fabricated then Ali's virtues are also fabricated, and if Ali's virtues are sound so did that of Abu Bakr.
How is it fabricated that all Prophets were sent to preach the Prophethood of Prophet Muhammad (sallalahu alaihe wa'alihi) and Wilayah of Imam Ali? And why would we reject Abu Bakr's favours for Islam? We never said that anything that Abu Bakr did for Islam is fabricated except if it is proven by none other than your own scholars or your credible books to be otherwise 🙂
@@Thaqlain according to your narrations they were not even sent to preach wilayah of Ali but all 11 imams, while eleven of them are not even better than Hamza and Khadija, let alone the prophets, and Shia do reject Abu Bakr sacrifices for islam, it is too famous and cannot be denied and considered them ummayad fabrication. As for our books, authentic narrations and all the historical reports attest to the sacrifices of Abu Bakr and all the muhajiroon and Ansar.
Please share references to support your claim :)
This hatred of Aboobubacker is scary..
Let's keep it civil then, please give me one solid reference for using the term "Holy Prophet".
Salaam Alaykum. We fail to understand what do you mean here.
Walaikumslam. First, 4000 dirham, what is your source on this. Do not pick any stuff up from anywhere & slander.
Second, By not understanding my comment on the usage of the word "Holy" this is an exposition on your Aqeedah.
For the Camels, it is clearly mentioned in our texts that Prophet Muhammad ﷺ, said & I am paraphrasing
I will use the camel only if I purchase it first. This was the cahracter of Aqib ﷺ
Not holy, but Aqib, Ahmed, Hamid, Mustafa, Al Amin, An Nadhir our Rasollullah ﷺ
So are you suggesting we cannot use the word Holy Prophet?
I am not suggesting but asking you to refrain from it. One simple lookup of the word “Holy” in any of the dictionaries should give you the answer. At best, it’s a Bidah & at worst it can even be Kufr if one means that the Prophet was created from the Noor of Allah.
Going back to the slander that you do, where are the references from Sahih sources. Do you realise the risk you are taking by slandering the companions of the Prophet SAW. But all you do is worship history albeit riddled with self contradiction. And please stop using Fadhail Amal & make it seem like Sunni sources.
Our slander's definition and scope is the same as the one used by Quran in Surah Lahab :)
Also, your understanding of holy is also incorrect.
In your last lecture, in an attempt to implicate Abu Bakr in the conspiracy against Rasurullah, you claimed that Abubakar and his family somehow knew that Rasurullah was migrating out. Here you're saying that only Ali knew about that migration
Even in that episode, Sayed has shared that it is based on the opinion of Ibn Ishaq and Ibn Hisham. And that it might be possible that Abu Bakr came to know this through Imam Ali after he saw Imam Ali sleeping at Prophet's bed.
If these verses were talking about Ali (as) would this flop be talking in the same manner?
If the virtue of a leader has to be proved through mental gymnastics, what kind of a leader he is :)
You are mocking the choice of Prophet, you are a liar.. Next time you claim any hadith from the books of sunni, please give references as well.. because nothing of such exists in our books
Salaam Alaykum. Even though there is no mocking here, please let us know which specific thing you require reference of and we will be happy to share it.
Funny Shia twist to seerah of prophet pbuh 😂
It's better than insulting to prophet Muhammad (pbu) by wahabists for fabricating virtue for Abubakr.
@@ashvazdanghe no one glorify Caliph Abu Bakr r.a , it's your things that you use to seek help from Ali r.z , better don't try to teach islam when your lack in basic understanding of islam
Complete ignorance on you side.
There are proofs so just go through them and stop messing up bro.
@@sumayawakili7365 then it means you don't even read your books hhahhaha.
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I am not convinced that Atiq, son of Abi Quhafah known as Abu Bakr, had anything to do with the Prophet's camel / transportation to Madinah. He did not have any assets or money. He didn't have that shop; the " imaginary " shop they included in the " the message " movie. In fact, the speaker did not want to go any further about Abu Bakr and family. Because he did not want to " embarrass " other schools of thoughts followers. I was a " Sunni " myself and I don't mind saying it. Abu Bakr and family used to chase off flies at food " tables " for rich meccans ; family level and social and big gatherings. Abu Bakr family were so poor to the point that they ate flies. It is there in your books.
Yeah you are convinced only by Abdullah ibn Sabah
@@sumayawakili7365 which y’all invented because we border you in debates
@@Hezbollah313 how could a student border her teacher about his own books what a joke LoL
@@Hezbollah313
That's OK.
Let them dream. " ibnu Saba'a " , the last twigg that - probably - can help.
Shias have changed every narration that gives credit to abubakr r.a, umar r.a and usman r.a . Shia belief being based on jealousy of the closest sahaba is absolutely nonsense as islam demands a character from each muslim where in he never hates any person leave aside the hatred f sahaba and wife f prophet saw.
The claim that these three were the closest was presented later to justify them becoming caliph. None of them ever claimed this. On the contrary, companions like Salman, Abu Dharr, Hamza, and Abu Dujana were closer to the Prophet.
Also, we haven't changed any hadith. The books of Ahlal Sunnah themselves raise doubts about the hadith mentioned in some of their books. 🙂
Shia islam very strange; abubakari had nothing to give to the prophet. Nothing good from abubakari.
No forced or fake goodness. 🙂
@@Thaqlain did imam ali abi talib burn people alive? Was it justified?
Where is that coming from? It is the Sunnah of Ummayads to burn people alive. Not that of Hashemites.
oh my balhetr this ont info like to sihea that mistek info my balhetr : this sonny info my abo bakr order to burn a house fatima al zahra peace be upon her and Amar was he entered and hit him on the cheek: that info the people of abu bakr are the ones who burned the people: that should info in my Bani hashm do ont can't to that : is that correct shuk
You are lying man , Ali ibn al Talib rz burn Abdullah bin Sabah alived ( the one who cried madad Ali for the first time )