Unity Devs are struggling right now...
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- Опубликовано: 17 окт 2024
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My trust issues that made me use Godot have finally paid off
Hope you have success! I still haven't managed to find my footing with it...
same here
The (not so) secret to Godot is to embrace GDScript.
@@RandomGuyyy Classic mistake. People hope they can stick with their favorite language in Godot. But reality is, the true first class citizen language of Godot is GDScript. C# is more like the largest immigrant community. It has fully access to all Godot API, but at the cost of performance on each of those calls. And vectors, oh boy! Handling vectors in C# is a real pain where GDScript can manipulate them like native numbers.
The faster man accept GDScript, the less painful the experience in Godot will be.
I wouldn't wish this kind of backstab to my enemies.
It's pretty bad.
2:57 Unity isn't talking to devs anymore they're talking to investors.
Unfortunately this means investors aren't gonna get much...
@@NathanRohner nor do they deserve much. John Ricitello is a known factor. Keeping/investing money in a company run by him is an endorsement of his decades long push to overly monetize gaming. I feel bad for Devs and unity employees. I have no sympathy for the people who were hoping to profit off his management. May their portfolios be as valuable as ricitello is a decent person.
That sucks man, I hope it works out in your favor.
I'm only a dabbling game dev myself, but I abandoned both Unity and Unreal years ago over their pricing structures and they've only gotten worse since then.
These days if it's not open source with a permissive license then I don't use it.
Does it make things harder? Unfortunately yes.
Does it give me the peace of mind to know that my work won't die because of what some company does next year? Absolutely!
If I was dabbling I'd do the same! It definitely gets harder when trying to make a commercial product/business out of it... But I'll power through it!
So what kind of money have you earned that makes you have to give Epic or Unity a cut?
@@TheMeanArena None. When do you imagine the right time to make this decision is? Before or after the bill comes due?
With respect, the whole "what money have you made to justify this decision" kind of thinking is totally backwards and wrong. If you have a game that has already made that much, then you're stuck with whatever choice you made well before release; so there's no decision to make and there may not be a next time successful enough for any lessons learned to matter.
Ergo, the proper time to think about which engine to use, including but not limited to the pricing structure for all levels of commercial success, is long before your game has a beta release let alone a single paying customer.
@@GrayghostAlpha When what bill comes? The one where they take $0.20 out of when you sell a game for $30? Oh no, that's gonna break my bank. I have no problem with giving Unity $0.20 of each game I sell since they've given me a great toolset / engine to use for free for the last 14 years which helped me buy a car, home, eat etc. Some people are just ignorant about it.
Unity is really trying to run themselves into the ground right now.
Devs dont take this kind of decision without being fully concious that they were gona be hated for it, its just that they know they will make more money than they lose from it, since genshin will still be giving them the big money.
It just sucks for the poor social media managers and people on the front lines who have to deal with it, having no power over these decisions either 🥲
Indeed nearly all the mobile market is unity, only few of major studios have different engines, is sad, these will only push for more microtansactions and more monetizations, and less indie devs, well game industry is dyng since a while, well nothing to do
Genshin has just announced that its game will be ported to Unreal.
@@isaacvazquez627 well i imagine Mihoyo with the money they have they can do it
Isn't this an attempt of testing the waters of what they can get away with?
It reminds me of the DLC horse armor and publishers are testing the waters of what they can get away with.
it's time to ditch unity, actually it was time to ditch it a year ago, nothing good can come from EA's old CEO.
Been using Godot for 4 years. Never looked back to Unity.
Having been using the engine for over 10 years and to hear about this, I've been somewhat pissed off as well.
As of right now I'm considering just working on nothing but assets and eventually looking for an alternative like URE.
The CEO is 65 and looking at retirement I guess.
They went too far. People will not tolerate this. Unity is done, from today no new projects will be made with Unity.
just think about how strange it is to have the manufacturer of your tool that you use to build something, actually TRACK YOUR INCOME AND THEN DEMANDING A SHARE OF IT
Imagine a camera manufacturer charging you for every photo you upload to social media! LMAO!!
@@HealyHQ Laugh now, but this is probably the future. "You will own nothing and be happy" as the Rothschild club puts it.
@@HealyHQ never say that out loud ever again :)
Corpo greed strikes again.
Welp, I would hard pass on Unity if I ever decided to make a game after hearing this. Why put in all that effort to learn a platform when you know shady people like that are running it?
Because it wasn't always like this...
It's been like this for a long time though. Unity increased their prices in 2022 and 2020 so it'd be kind of silly to think they wouldn't just keep doing that.
@@NathanRohner I understand. I meant for a person just starting out today.
This seems like a bad long-term plan. They're milking their current customers more while cutting off new sources of revenue. Seems like a very shortsighted plan.
"corpedo" strikes again 🤣
This is what true greed looks like so sad and malicious unity!
Wow. That was one heartfelt video message..
Im impressed thoug im just another viewer to you possibly, but i left a like on this video message and subscribed and i hope this heartfelt message reaches more and more people. And yes its madness. Once youve paid for a service, that should be it.. right?
Thankyou for the kind words :)
Very interesting commentary. Thanks. Rough situation for so many
Glad you enjoyed it!
"Struggling" should be "Dead" Unity didn't just kill all the devs they also killed themselves. It is similar to those new stories where a family member kills all of the other family members and then commits suicide. No one wants to believe such greed/evil exists, but yet here we are.
after unity merged with ironsource, canned gigaya, the internal game project that was supposed to help game developers and show us the recommended unity way, i realised it wasn’t the same unity i started out with.
just like how bioware and blizzard are now just empty money grubbing husks of their former selves, i don’t see a way forward for unity that doesn’t involve them altering the deal once again.
even though i’m just a hobbyist dev in unity i have spent time learning and gaining a certain proficiency with the toolset, and throwing it all away to learn a new engine has been painful, but at least i know unity can’t break my heart (and wallet) anymore
This is not only about Unity. But also about every other service software (MS Office, Photoshop, and so on): As soon as Unity gets away with it, other companies will follow this example! Everyone is watching this now! Not just gamers, developers, but every other company too!
I've been saying since the start of this year and end of last year that any game made in unity that was going to be released after the end of this year would be better served changing to a different game engine... My reasoning was that the tech debt was getting bad, I didn't expect to be this right or in this way.
According to the FAQ, it's "per client install", so if they don't specify, you SHOULD ASSUME that if the same user installs the client on multiple devices (for example, PC and Steam Deck) you will be charged. You should also be fearful of disgruntled individuals or individuals looking to pirate games who can easily automate the process, which would make "review bombing" look about as bad as a "stern talking to".
A "fraud compliance team" would not be able to reverse the damage that could cause to developers' bottom lines. Even if they walk this back, I would not give them any more loyalty.
They actually confirmed that both reinstallation by the same user and single user installing game on different devices count for this fee - they want you to pay extra in both cases. Free demos also count.
i'll quickly finish my Shmup in Unity, and then I'll switch to Godot.
Period.
Many people resent change and won't, Unity knows this, that's why they're brash about wanting your ¢hange.
I'm not a dev, but you're right, as a gamer I already have a dim view of Unity, and it's something I think about before trying a game. The per-install will be weaponized, or at least attempts will be made, the true impact of those will be judged by the same company who stands to benefit monetarily from it. 😑
Saw the news and my first thought was of you developing. This policy, to be applied in a way to make them money that makes up for the hit to pr and future customers theyre going to take, is going to have to be intensely Draconian. When i think of unity i usually think immediately of a low end indie game as it is. This isnt going to help at all :s
Totally agree.
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Genshin Impact definitely gonna change the Game Engine soon. They gonna pay their dev rather than giving money to evil.
The cloud storage stuff is also scary.
Totally agree!
Huh, I did not know you were part of the gamedev community. Only seen you as part of Shad's team.
Glad you found me!
I absolutely feel for you and see so clearly how much this is affecting you. My recommendation: take a few days off. Disconnect this weekend from news, game-dev, anything. There's nothing you can do about this now, and a few days will see either some backpedal by Unity, or some new coalition boosting Godot to the moon, or both. Reconnect on Monday, but for now, there's nothing you can do about it, so no need to ride that anxiety. Take care of yourself, friend. Good luck.
this is just a stepping stone for much worse, two step forward one step back.
Unity is such fun to use. It is a real shame to find out the engine can't be trusted. When they started employing people who had worked on malware previously that was a big clue. I don't think I will update Unity again.
I'm a wannabe game developer. I have no games published, written, designed, or even have a single line coded for, but, I WANT to be a game developer. I can't imagine just getting dug into this environment, then, getting slapped in the face knowing that once a game hits more than 200k download in its LIFE (Not just the YEAR), and I take home $200k USD in a 12 month period, I'm taxed. That means, that if my game gets over 200k, or 500k, or even a million INSTALLS 5 or 10 or 15 years, that one year, that ONE SINGLE YEAR, when I somehow manage to get over $200k for that one GAME then get nailed for a $1,000,000 * $0.20 = $200,000, that's a frig'n MORTGAGE. For a game I wouldn't have thought of for YEARS, and I gotta pay that tax? Like.. F-Me...
And that's just the currently proposed TOS, what are they going to change in the next 10 years to steal more of your money?
I am in exactly the same boat minus having made a few unfinished ideas. Even though I probably won't be in that 1% that makes it LARGE I'd hate to do it with a game made with Unity. Unreal and Godot looking even more appealing than they were now. Screw familiarity.
@@nicholasspicer5171 I just went to Humble and bought a couple of Godot books. They've got a promotion on (2023-Sept-14) for some free books. Talk about odd timing.
"Construct a Strategy Game with Godot"
"Intro to Godot 4 Game Development"
No. This isn't how it works. When you reach 200k lifetime installs of your project, the following thing happens every month
1) does your revenue FOR THIS PROJECT exceeded 200k$ in the last 12 months?
2) IF YES, then you pay 0.2$ for every install IN THIS MONTH.
The next month you again, calculate revenue for last 12 months and if need be, pay for installs in another month.
I didn't know Flax even existed, thanks for mentioning it!
I love how they give you a q per q in terms of revenue, and then still only take 4% 😁
its a skill issue if we can't accept the fact godot its not unity..we got way too complacent
but i agree unity needs a different ceo
i feel ya I've only used unity for like 4 years but i left over this and giving unreal engine 5 right now, its free for game devs up until they make 1 million dollars off a title and then unreal gets a 5% royalty after that, pretty fair and far more flexible for different business models(free to play, very low priced games), so far i like alot of its systems as it comes with a ton of stuff unity needs plugins for
What really saddens me is the retroactive nature of this, WoTC tried to pull the same for DnD OGL.
If they have added new bells & whistles, why not apply this to let's say the new Unity version and leave the older versions alone!
That would give most developers a lot more peace of mind, though few would move forward...
Agreed, my point being the bells and whistles are a smoke-screen to justify this egregious move!
I don't know if it is possible, because I have never used Unity. However, I have heard of people taking about modifying the splash screen so it says something like "Unfortunately made in Unity."
It's really just the coders that have issues with switching. Artists like me love Unreal, and want to be there anyways. What the coders don't understand, is that Unreal has changed the game development process. It's not just the coders making games in Unreal. The whole team is part of the process, in a way never seen before. For instance, I'm working on a small project right now, where the coders have embraced Blueprints, and the whole team can see the code and how it all works. Me, the character artist and animator, I'll likely be doing the code for all of the movement of the characters, or editing what we have to make it better. Wtih something like Blueprints, the whole team can use their specialties, and add to, or make their own Blueprints, that all work tegether. It's pretty crazy. As artists, we see things visually, and seeing the code work in a visual way allows us to better understand it, and even get involved more in the fine tuning of it all.
Totally agree, which is why I've switched to unreal!
@@NathanRohner Epic isn't like Unity at all. Sweeney wrote the original Unreal code. He owns over 50% and has the final say. Listen to what he said about changing the commission rate on the Marketplace to 12%, or his words around their fight with Apple. "It's just enough to cover costs and a little for development". Sweeney is 1 of us! You are in good hands.
7:25 in that comparison I would rather say you give the winner a win fee instead, before getting anything to him and taking a part of his winnings and give that part to the organizer.
One big issue is the breach of trust. If Unity can do this now, even if they rollback, how can you trust Unity to not do something insane again in future in the same manner. For an example Rust developer said they wouldn't have issues paying the fee, but it's not what they "bought into" when choosing Unity = breach of trust. Beyond that this insane sounding pricing plan might also be some concotion of bait and switch, where they come up with an insane pricing model but rollback on it to "less insane" but yet worse than what developers bought into when choosing Unity. This way they could introduce new fees based sales/install to developers and now when that fee would have been sold to developers with bait & switch, they could increase those fees in long term.
Holy **** it's Nathan! Hi Nathan!
Hi!
Here's the thing, if your going to switch engines and you're not making a AAA FPS with photo-quality graphics why would you go with Unreal? Remember Epic put all Unreal devs releasing on iPhones on the line when they intentionally violated their contract with Apple.
Ultimately there are two things here, the first is just inertia. You're already invested in the Unity ecosystem. You're experienced and trained in it. There is a very real cost in leaving that, so there has to be a very real reason to accept that cost. The reason here isn't necessarily the $0.20, is the fact that they have proven the can and will change the deal under you. That's about trust; that's the other thing.
So do you really trust Epic? You're likely going to be paying that technical debt no matter what you choose to replace it with, so choose something you can trust. I would suggest an engine released under a license that prevents this behavior. There's a number of engines today that are MIT Licensed: Godot, Stride, Torque3D. Even Defold looks like a reasonable license (even if it's not one as widely used).
Im almost certain what Unity is doing is illegal in the EU at the very least. You cant just switch up your TOS like that without either making people re-agree in some way or losing a bunch of users during that process. You are completely right about open source. Open source is pretty much the only way forwards in terms of providing a truly free-forever, trustworthy type of access to tools as powerful and complex as engines.
It wasn't Epics fault. It was a vengeful reaction from Apple, which was against the law, and they were forced to reinstate the dev accounts days into the proceeding.
@@SylvanFeanturi Actually, no. Epic knowingly violated the terms of the contract. A TRO was granted, but that has been lifted. As the court put it:
"This case does not involve retaliation. Epic Games never showed why it had to breach its agreements to challenge the conduct litigated. Two parallel antitrust actions prove the contrary. Apple had contractual rights to act as it did. It merely enforced those rights as plaintiff’s own internal documents show Epic Games expected. Accordingly, plaintiff’s challenges to Apple’s claim for declaratory relief fail as to the remaining requests"
@@ahettinger525 Well, actually... You are right. Good to know
Moving to another engine is not an option when you are years into development, with pipelines and custom tools specifically developed for the Unity editor.
Let's hope the backlash is so loud that they'll roll it back.
Unity has had a bad rep with players for a long time because of being associated with asset flips and bad games proudly displaying the Unity splash screen, the recent stuff isn't gonna change much with players but it is gonna totally make publishers hesitant with Unity games, probably game passes and other deals too, and maybe even store fronts
Dang, this whole ordeal just keeps getting worse, I wish you all the best. I am just hoping this leads to a wave of great options.
I watch a Let’s Player who plays a TON of games made in Unity from small people; especially with Gam Jams! THIS IS NUTS!
Hopefully Godot becomes bigger and better after people migrate there and it turns into the "blender" of game engines, until then I sadly have to keep using proprietary software.
This is the wrong conclusion, of course. Seeing what's happening, you have to be part of the free software movement.
A lot think "Oh I'm not effected by this, so its no big deal".
Well, right now you might not...but who says it keeps being 200k$ and 200k downloads....
I really love Unity...but this is insane.
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If Unity had said that they would take small revenue percentage based on profits that game makes or based on sales, I wouldn't have liked it but I could have accepted it. In that case it would have still meant that if game sells well we both make more money even if I would make slightly less than before. However a fee based on installs means that a game that is already sold will still keep generating fees for developer. Unity said that install and re-install counts as 2 installs and installing on your pc and laptop counts as 2 installs. This means that if some one didn't like a game they could rally people to mass uninstall and re-install and generate a massive bill. For example get 10000 people to reinstall your game for 10 times is already a 20000$ bill. Unity also didn't explain how they are collecting these install amounts so we should just "trust" what ever number they claim to be owed.
On an unrelated topic today I started testing out Unreal Engine
I too started Unity back in 2014, I remember back when having shadows from 3D models was a pro feature, and you could buy pro as a one time purchase rather than a monthly sub. I've learned so much from the engine, I literally only have the job that I have now because of my knowledge with the Unity engine. But even if unity completely rolls back everything they have announced, I'm still cutting ties with them. They would literally have to pay me to keep using it.
I'll still stick with it for now, I want to see what happens and how far back things will roll. But as of yesterday I have begun learning Godot (seriously this time) and will be making my game there from now on. (Nothing against Unreal, Godot just suits my needs better) Unity has burned my trust in them too many times and this last fire has been the biggest that I've ever seen. I was worried when the company went public, and I guess those fears came true. Its sad to see such a beloved engine die just because people want more money.
I wish you good luck on your projects. Sticking and switching will both be difficult, I understand your decision to stay. Keep on making games and don't let this kill your passion!
I'm a novice artist, possibly dip into game creating, try to use Epic Games UE software after hearing what Unity is doing trying to squeeze every last penny from consumers, both game developers/ players realize guy responsible is Ex EA CEO, now Unity CEO John Rocitiello pushing that distribution package
Unity be like "trust me bro". 😅
I feel you bro, I like Unreal but I've been hesitant to switch for a while, there's many stuff that is just more practical in Unity, also I've spent so much time in unity that I know all it's in/outs and shortcoming to make faster and better decisions, I've also spent a lot in tools, assets and learning that it frustrates me even more. I really really hate being in this position right now, but if they don't back pedal their greedy business model I might just have to completely switch to Unreal.
Some other bits of confusion, which I haven't seen many people talk about are: What about game updates? Is there going to be another $0,20 fee as the customer downloads a new patch for the game? How about game file integrity checks on Steam?
i remember few months ago having multiple mental break downs learning C++ and unreal. Now i look back at those nights and thinking about it.... wasn't so bad ._."
Glad to hear this stepping into Unreal now 🥲
Preach it fellow Unity dev!
I completely agree 💯 and It's a same
To be honest I will wait to see what happens
One other because I spent this much time in the order to make my game and that's happened wean my game is still in progress.
And I don't want to lose all this work 😞 i already done or afraid 😳 in case my game success wean release
I have plan to starting new engine and open my unity projects and whatever else engine i ended up using and try to recreate the stuff i already create
Some stuff like import 3D models images i think i will posble but other i will nightmare 😢 i don't even want to imagine how hard going to be to recreate all those code's
I hate to say it but this is what we get with commercial software. Unity is a public and huge corporation. They can do whatever they want. I wish the world was different but it is not. I am moving to Godot. Shame about my work and time I spent learning Unity but I kinda felt it coming one way or another. They need more money even if they make billions. Even if they cancel this move they lost my trust. I know it means nothing to them but I know I need to switch to Godot no matter how good or bad it is . My friends made a classic roguelike game "Jupiter Hell" on a custom C++ engine they built from scratch. They themselves called it insane because of the amount of work they had to put into programming a 3D engine from scratch. Porting problems ( like porting the game to Nintendo Switch) are also taking them huge amount of time and money. But I see now it was me who was insane to believe that corporations want to make my life easier. I am to stupid to create my own engine but hopefully Godot does not go commercial like that.
I make stuff for the Unity Asset Store. Just trying to finish some huge projects makes me sick when I load the editor. My loyalty has been destroyed. I'm moving my stuff to the other engines. I'll finish what I've got going but after that, Unity's store may not be seeing a lot more of my stuff.
- Instead of charging per units sold or on profit, they charge on something no publisher or developper as any control over.
- It was originally retroactive. They backed out of that already given how highly illegal that would be.
- Streaming services that provision games on demand will rather remove all Unity-based games than take the risk.
- Requires some pretty intrusive spyware to report about installations. Again, Streaming Services will never allow it.
-Free-to-play model will effectively lose money.
- it's not the business of a jumped-up Engine developer to know or monetise on installation fees.
- Publishers and giant streaming services have not signed on any agreement with Unity. It is effectively extorsion. They'll laugh them out out of court.
What baffles me it's who and why the board took this decision knowing they were going to be screwed by the backlash. They are forever ruined, they lost all credibility.
John Riccitello is the CEO of Unity. Former CEO of EA who managed to make it the most hated company in the world. That's all the answers you need.
Currently remaking my game of 3 months in godot, really enjoying the experience tbh
If anything, I have found a new love for game development in different engines now!
The recent technology advances of Unreal engine has put a death warrant out for Unity. If you're going to switch its better to do it early than to hope Unity changes its direction. As for payment on installs, any game developer that releases a game makes most of their money early on, which is a problem if a year later players decide to play the game again and re-install it. At that time the dev has to pay again for all the installs without being paid for it as they had a year previous. As for IP addresses, mine changes each time I reboot my router, and I constantly get messages from google telling me someone has accessed my account from a different machine even though its still me. $200K sounds like a lot, but after Steam takes its cut, and you pay for other expenses, and taxes you'd be lucky to have enough money for a one man team to pay their rent or grocery bills.
They want you to pay on monthly basis - you would only pay for installs made every month, since 01.01.2024. Not all installations done ever.
@@SylvanFeanturi I'm not sure I understand the distinction. You install initially, play the game then uninstall it. A year later you decide you want to play it again, so new install. As I understand it they want you to pay for the new install that happens 12 months later.
@@RobertA-hq3vz Yes. But not for all installs from before, as many people claim they would pay milions. Every month we would pay for installs done in that month, assuming we made over 200k$ in last 12 month.
Godot, here I go!
For me increased cost for removing splash screen is the biggest problem, i am doing just small game for fun, but i still don't want this terrible logo to appear at the beginning... I will switch to different engine just because of that.
Unity makes a powerful tool and they deserve a cut for providing that tool.
The only weird thing is that they want to charge per install rather sale. Even so this should affect much less than 1% of games released that are made in unity.
note: fees only apply to NEW installs
straight from the unity blog : "The fee applies to new installs beginning January 1, 2024"
100% agree, Unity deserves more of my money! It's just the way they've decided to take it and the decisions they've made leading up to this...
Yeah, I really don't want to start a new engine, because I have been working on my game for 10 years and still working on it ( Mainly to pass the time and have fun )
It's not a game I don't plan on making money on either. however, the engine version I use is 5.6.4 So I don't know if this would even count in their scheme.
I think Unity is going to kill Game industry in countries where taxes are high like in northen Europe and Canada.
Switch to Godot or stay in an abusive relationship with Unity
Pretty easy choice
Don't put hope in that CEO. Just... do what I'm doing and bite the Unreal bullet. I have so many prototypes and half finished games, not to mention all the unity assets I've bought over the years :/
if you have one game that puts you over the 200,000, then if you release a demo, installs of that demo will eat your profits of your main game, also if you create a new popular game you will have to pay for all installs from the day of release hoping the game makes enough money and if it dose not you will have to pay for all the installs yourself. It is a totally unworkable business model.
Welll my problem with this is: Publisher now ask the important questions on pitch meetings: What is you engine of choice..... Good luck telling them its unity...
I used to make a lots of games in Unity Engine. This summer I moved to Unreal to try something new... I guess Im staying now xd
I thought it was when a single game makes 200k in a year, not for your entire business. And add the and 200k installs to that. And at that point you might as well go with Unity Pro that bumps it up to 1M in revenue and installs and costs 2k dollars if i'm not mistaken.
The central problem here is lack of trust. Even if they completely retract this assinine decision, the damage has already been done. I will not gamble my future on a company which clearly despises its customers, doesn't listen to them at all and is out to get them any way they can. It is adversarial towards its customer base - just like Bud Light was and we know how that played out.
How? How exactly are Unity devs struggling? I'm still working just fine on my Unity projects since the announcement. It hasn't given me nightmares or made me unable to cope with reality.
Hi, Nathan!
Hi!
Steam often thinks I'm on a new computer -- why should I assume Unity would be any better at telling new device installs? I'm taking my game down, and learning UE5 and Godot to see which I prefer.
Its like if you get taxed for other people breathing in your house. lol
My goal this year was opening an indie studio I’ve prepared all the legal document and my plan was once i receive Unity associate game developer, I stopped everything thing in my life ( studying at university) and stop playing games in my free time just do get the certificate , im an employee i dont have much time , and now unity fu#% everything Thanks Division company
Just switch to Godot, it's improved immensely and it's about to achieve feature parity with Unity quite soon. If this kind of thing is enough to completely derail your life plans then I suggest growing a thicker skin.
Just to be clear, I'm not against people having to pay more when they win more, which you focus on in the middle of the video.
What alarms me:
1 "We have altered the deal. Pray we do not alter it farther." An absolutely disgusting breech of trust for indie hopefuls. The games that have been getting worked on. For years who are aiming for a December launch are terrified because they couldn't plan for this. Porting studios could not plan for this.
2 Modders, Pirates, and even the average customer isn't trying to actively hurt the developers of the games they're interested in.
3 They can't give any good explanation on how they plan to accurately and legally track the installs, then when pressured they just claim to make an estimate based on aggregate data... Which means nobody can verify whatever number they want to make up. If they can't be transparent on the tracking they're going to charge people for, then by definition they can't truly charge based on performance because their numbers to track performance are made up.
4 When they try to cover the damage by saying "it'll only effect 10% of our users" this figure is asdumedky based on their metrics which we have already established isn't trustworthy.
5 The install fee is monthly. Most games don't even get their first payout until 2-3 months after release. That's a long gap to have to find money to cover new monthly bills for.
6 Yet more evidence that speculative investment via the stock market does more consistent harm to the participants than it does good. There was probably a time where that system made sense, but now it's gotten so divorced from the reality of use value of any given product or service that any announcement of IPO from any tool small studios depend on should be an immediate red flag to start migrating.
I hate this. It benefits literally nobody. The absolutely best possible outcome is the CEO getting ousted from business due to the blatant insider trading ahead of this announcement.
"The absolutely best possible outcome is the CEO getting ousted from business due to the blatant insider trading ahead of this announcement."
This. It is quite possible there are grounds for felony case if he actually did insider trading, selling off his stock before the announcement. Which we now know he, and some of his colleagues did. He might even end up in prison, now wouldn't that be a hoot!
I am so glad i chose to keep unreal instead of changing to unity
Lucky, I'm learning it now...
I guess the $0+ option on itch is out of the question now. What happens if I make $200,000 and get 1,000,000 installs?
You made -0,20 if your game is downloaded one more time
If your game is downloaded for extra 1,000,000 times your bank account will be -200,000. But could be worse Over the moon games's The Fall has been downloaded for 7million times which means they owe 1,4million for Unity. Wtf 😂
I heard the new license also applies to past games @@plottipaa_hauki95
who ever thought that this was a good idea for unity needs to rethink there life and career
This is good for indie devs. I more free stuff and more people qualify for free.
99%of indie devs do not :
- Make 200 000 dollars in 12 month period
- sell 200 000 copies of a game.
I would LOVE TO GET TO POINT I MUST PAY!
After you make 200k in 12 months and sell 200k copies you must pay 30 cents for each copy sold over 100k. So at stage you each 200k you must pay 20 k (far less than unreal) . You can always just add 20 cents to your price. You will probably never need to give it to unity and if you have a runaway hit you have the clients pay your 20 cents!
Freya won't do anything (except meme complain), as she sells Assets, she's not a game dev.
11:40 Godot has C#.
4:55 / 5:15 - says it all
This is #unitygate, guys!
Once you start down the dark path, forever will it dominate your destiny. Unity is only getting worse. Don't make it consume you. Train yourself on an OSS engine to let go of everything you fear to lose. Control, control, you must learn control! In the end, cowards are those who follow the dark side.
I hope us Godot superfans are not bothering you too much.😅 I wish you the best on whatever you choose to do.❤
I realise google, facebook, youtube and many others are collecting my data. If I purchase a game on Steam I realise they have that info, it is my choice to use Steam. Unity should NOT know I installed a particular game. I did not choose Unity, the gamedev did. I as a player am not willing to unknowingly give that data to Unity. Just because the dev chose engine X3D I have to give my data to company X. That is not acceptible in my opinion.
I as a hobbyist gamedev really liked Unity, it's workflow and C#. I am not willing to risk Unity getting info on the sorry souls that install my game.
More people need to address the privacy angle on this issue. Unity have lost my trust, don't if they will get it back, but the first step is to get rid of the ceo.
Really they should just Follow Epic idea on what to do. 5% Royal Fee's on this amount of sells. That may sound harsh but giving that you don't only give them money for New Game installs you giving money to them for your Demo's, Your Beta's, Your 10 year old game that someone Decided to install Unity wants all that like I said 5% Royal fee's sounds like a slap on the hand compared to what Unity wants.
oh well.
i hope they get a new CEO and get rid of this or ill never trust them again.
oh and btw, its simply impossible to detect if a install is pirated or not unless you work with steam directly or something... but still, games get cracked all the time...
yikesI I can't do much about this but I can comment increasing video interraction and maybe spreading the word a bit further
even if they pull back you schould go away from them. they can not be trusted
Unity's CEO should resign after such a scandal
He managed to all but destroy EA, now he is doing the same thing to Unity. I wonder which idiots put him in the drivers seat? Or is it some grotty financial speculation thing behind it all? Them Unity CEOs have been selling quite a bit of their stock before the announcement.... Maybe the SEC should take a look at what's been going on?
It is a proper time to move to Unreal Engine. RIP Unity.
I think your example doesn't quite fit, you don't have to be mad about them charging a single install 20 cents, the problem here is they're charging you even if there's a reinstall which is crazy! I'm sure there cuold have been MANY other solutions if they needed money so bad
Wow, they never fail to absolutely demolish really dedicated community. I mainly work with unreal for my work but I feel so bad for all game devs who are trying to make game and be successful with using unity.
I have no idea why they thought it is good idea to implement the system where you get punished for being successful. If people think it has no impact on you, then think again, it does to everyone who use unity. Think of you and all unity game dev are crew on ship and successful indie game devs/studios and publishers are captain and commanders. If those people decide to abandon the ship, who are going to be left on the ship and need to sail the ship without dying. Yes you. And to make things worse, if those successful people and publisher leaves, unity will fall hard and they will implement worse system to make you suffer.
Long story short, Unity is not the company you should care and trust. Even if they retract this stupid decision, people are not coming back and the fact the they considered that this is acceptable will never change and you can be sure that they will do more shit in the future. Damages have been already done.