@@ahxpluhh i think each person will have little bit different experience due to the ingredients ,but probably 2-3 months on average . Ive never timed it TBH but thinking about it ive probably filled them 3-4 times a year.
@meddac- I would agree to the instructions. Glad I could make this video to help you out! I appreciate you watching and leaving nice comments ;) Happy Holidays!
Seriously so helpful. I was really riding the struggle bus on figuring out how the solenoid connected because the nut was impossible to unscrew without pliers and I was convinced I was doing something wrong. Just needed something stronger than my fingers.
Thank you so much for your video Jay. It gave me the confidence to purchase this, my first C02 system after 30 years of fish keeping, and to set it up successfully - without consulting the instructions. I have had it on the same timer as the light on my Juwel Rio 120, six hours a day, for four days and it is looking good.
Alan.. That is so Awesome to hear. Im so glad this video helped you do something out of your comfort zone. Just this one comment makes this entire video worth the time and effort to make. Thank you so much for taken a moment to leave me a message!! :) I appreciate you watching and wish you nothing but the best in everything you do! Jay
Awesome! Thank you! I appreciate you watching and taken the time to comment. What kind of scientist are you? Ive always enjoyed science's. Ill have to do some Crystal grows now I know i have a few scientist here. Cyanide makes some awesome red crystals!
This is fantastic info - just ordered the 4 ltr to give it a try - have a fire extinguisher set up but wanted to give this a try on my smaller tank.... and would have used the wrong amounts otherwise. I really appreciate your video..cheers
Glad it was helpful! thanks for watching and the comments!! Theres alot of mis-info out there for Co2 production - science tells us everything we need to know, so i dont understand where the other amounts come from.
I know you can’t see me (😂) but I’m here giving you a standing ovation for this very well prepared, presented and delivered video you provided. So informative and delivered in a no-BS format. Kudos to you Jay! 👍👏 One thing that I have seen in ‘marketing’ material is potential temperatures the solenoid may (?) reach ie: There is suggestion on Amazon that one vendor’s (CLSCEA) brand has the solenoid running at a temp of +/- 24C (using IR gun) while other brands may be as hot as 47C. Can you provide any feedback on those assertions? Did you have any concerns with the solenoid’s temperature on your FZONE 4L?
@garage-guy207 - hey thanks for watching and coming by to leave your questions and nice comments , it is much appreciated. As to the temperature of the solenoid- Im not familiar with this marketing thing. What claims or how would the temp of the solenoid effect the unit or performance of the Co2? I have noticed that the box that houses the electronics where you plug in the wire to the solenoid gets warm to the touch. This box is a separate component from the actual solenoid its the black part of the assembly in my video, the actual solenoid is housed in the white area in that assembly and the 2 are held together by a metal clip on the sides 1 in the front and 1 in the back. To give you an answer to your question, I taped a high end digital thermostat used for HVAC to the hottest point I could find on that small black box and the read out topped out at 111 deg F, thats about 44 deg c. I dont know that this effects the function of this unit at all as it basically a door..- open and closed. is there a risk with the temperatures? Its warm to the touch , you could leave you hand there and not be burnt. Most hot tubs are hotter then this and I dont see any potential of melted plastics as those melting temps are much higher.. So I would be interested to know why this is being used as a factor? Hope this temp test helped your info. let me know what its for. ;)
@@JayRockDoesStuff Thanks muchly for your prompt response! If any of your other commentors care to add their remarks - respecting components of their FZONE CO2 equipment (solenoid/electrical housing) being warmer than expected - would be appreciated. I can only surmise that the other vendor may be using high (to the touch) temperature reporting to favourably promote their product over their competitors. I’m in the process of re-entering the ‘aquarist’ world after having stepped away for the past 6 years and looking to incorporate CO2 dosing in my new 60gal planted setup.
I truly enjoyed your video. Thank you for explaining, so thoroughly, all the steps. Hope you make a Chihiros WRGB2 Slim App Demo 🤣 Love the light, but can’t seem to find anyone who explains how to use App well 😆
Hey Marco thanks for coming by, watching and the comments. Glad this helped you. I would make one but i dont have a Chihiros. I would love to own one of those lights. unfortunately my pocket book has not gone that direction yet. :) but ya never know.. If i get one ill def keep in mind about the video for you . :) :)
Interesting ratio of CA & SB. I'll try it next time and see if it helps. Also, screwing the regulator back on quickly is the hardest part. Until you get the feel for it, I recommend practicing screwing it on multiple times 'til you can get in on quick. Then do it with the bottle filled.
Seriously considering one of these. When the solenoid turns on in the morning, does the bubble rate largely follow the previous day? Or is there a rush of bubbles first thing whilst it equalises?
Hi Paul Thanks for coming by to watch and your questions. When the solenoid kicks on there is a rush of bubbles for about 1 second or less. I think its the pressure built up in the regulator and it releases that extra to begin with . With that said Im not sure if thats a bad thing or a good thing. But i can say Its not doing any harm in my tank with that initial 1 second blow off , if anything it fills the hose and primes it up . I dont notice a burst in the tank or anything like that when that goes off so i figure it just making up for whatever is missing in the tube. If your considering this over a traditional system , go with a traditional system . But if your looking at this as a beginner or someone who just wants to make Co2 or cant get a traditional fill then this is a great option. if you do decide to buy this use my link to help me out its free to do ! amzn.to/3BMaO0a
This is hands down the best video I have seen on this kind of Co2 generators, thank you very much for taking the time to make and share this awesome video with us. I purchased a 5.5lb CLSCEA canister thanks to this video and I'm very excited to try some Co2 in my planted thank. Can someone who is better at math than I am please help me figure out what would be the best mix ratio for a 5.5lb canister? Thank you in advance!
Hey andre, I appreciate ya coming by here. did you mean a 5.5 Lit. LBS would be for a fill that you would get at a shop, they run in lb. so it sounds like your can is set up for a traditional system if you ment lbs. if it is a DIY set up im not sure what the lbs translates to in materials as i do not have a way to know other then the gauges that set on the tank after the reaction. if it is a DIY set up i would consult the maker of the unit. Hope that helps and sorry i was not able to get to your question sooner. Good luck
Thanks for the question . Its 1 stage regulator BUT hear me out... with DIY Co2 Im not sure Ive ever seen a 2 stage regulator that wasnt homemade. a working pressure adjustment adjust the pressure the regulator handles. In a diy system those pressures dont exceed 600 psi. so the regulator just puts it out on the higher end of things setting at almost 50 psi output. untill the pressure in the tank is below 50psi. meaning your due for a refill anyway and you dont need to adjust the working pressure. The needle valve adjust the OUTPUT pressure to your diffuser so you just need to figure out what your bubble count you need for your tank on THIS system is and you can either buy a co2 testing kit or use a co2 bubble inside your tank to measure. With that said the pressures inside a conventional liquid co2 system solely depends on temp. as the liquid warms it expands into a gas and those pressures can get up to like 1600 psi.. thats why you need a working pressure adjustment as 1600 psi would probably blow the regulator, needle valve, disc off the diffuser and your fish out the water. if that makes sense. IF your running a conventional system stick with it if you can get fills and can afford the system itself. DIY Co2 is aimed at people who can not get conventional system refills - remote living- people who like to tinker and people who are just getting into Co2. it sounds like your past the beginner stages BUt this system would Def work for you in a pinch if you couldn't get a fill or your regulator broke and you needed to span the time between equipment changes that sort of thing this system is a great back up and even fun to just run on a less serious tank for fun! Hope that helps answer your question and shed some light onto DIY Co2 - lemme know if i can help any further.
Hi jay rock. I have the 4L kit. I have filled it two times so far and each time the tank has only gotten up to just under 200psi. I’m using quality ingredients, measuring accurately (600 citric/780 bs) with 900 ml of water. Getting the cap on quickly. I sprayed all connection points with soapy water to check for leaks and nothing. The bottle seems to hold pressure. The gauge stays where it is if I’m not using co2. I’m at a loss.
@Nick_Gurr80 your Def coming up short for some reason. I would assume a leak too. Does the pressure hold after it gets to 200ish? If it holds try freezing the water into ice cubes as an experiment, this will make sure you get all the pressure you can because the reaction will only start after the ice unfreeze eliminating the possibility your to slow and the reaction is going off to fast before you get the lid on. Does that make sense?
@Nick_Gurr80 if it goes well, then your slow , if you still only get 200, but it holds try different ingredient brands . There's something going on here, if it does not hold then contact fzone they will help get you set back up proper and happy to help I hope we can get you runnin
@@JayRockDoesStuff hey jay rock. I think I know the problem. I’m almost certain my pressure gauge is getting stuck. Something is blocking the needle from going any higher. I would bet money on it. Everything else is performing flawlessly. I reached out to fzone. Thanks for your help brother!
@@Nick_Gurr80 Im glad your gonna get set back up. FZone has always been great about fixing things for me if they were wrong or something went bad. it happens they have great customer service from my experience!
Does that generator have a two stage regulator so working pressure can be adjusted? I see two gauges but not a way to adjust pressure. The needle valve doesn't adjust pressure.
Hey @Cat Thanks for the question . Its 1 stage regulator BUT hear me out... with DIY Co2 Im not sure Ive ever seen a 2 stage regulator that wasnt homemade. a working pressure adjustment adjust the pressure the regulator handles. In a diy system those pressures dont exceed 600 psi. so the regulator just puts it out on the higher end of things setting at almost 50 psi output. untill the pressure in the tank is below 50psi. meaning your due for a refill anyway and you dont need to adjust the working pressure. The needle valve adjust the OUTPUT pressure to your diffuser so you just need to figure out what your bubble count you need for your tank on THIS system is and you can either buy a co2 testing kit or use a co2 bubble inside your tank to measure. With that said the pressures inside a conventional liquid co2 system solely depends on temp. as the liquid warms it expands into a gas and those pressures can get up to like 1600 psi.. thats why you need a working pressure adjustment as 1600 psi would probably blow the regulator, needle valve, disc off the diffuser and your fish out the water. if that makes sense. IF your running a conventional system stick with it if you can get fills and can afford the system itself. DIY Co2 is aimed at people who can not get conventional system refills - remote living- people who like to tinker and people who are just getting into Co2. it sounds like your past the beginner stages BUt this system would Def work for you in a pinch if you couldn't get a fill or your regulator broke and you needed to span the time between equipment changes that sort of thing this system is a great back up and even fun to just run on a less serious tank for fun! Hope that helps answer your question and shed some light onto DIY Co2 - lemme know if i can help any further.
How long would you expect one batch of materials in the 4L tank to last on a 75 gallon tank, at 1 bubble/second? Trying to get a sense of how often I would need to refill the tank. Appreciate the detailed video!
Hey Ninjaflex, I think youll need to run a lil more then 1 bubble per second.. but that will also depend on your flow in your tank and how it disperses the Co2 if you have good flow around the tank 1 bubble might be sufficient. BUT to answer your question. MY tank literally just died from the day i made this video and i run 2-3 bubbles a sec. so assuming you could run 1 bubble and get the results you want id say between 3-4 months . so 3-4 time a year. it lasts quite a long time if you run it everyday for say 8 hours a day , and ill say theres been some days mine has been on for longer so you should def get 3 solid months from 1 fill for sure , 4 months + if you run it light. Hope that helps :) thanks for watching!
at what point do you know to refill the tank? when the pressure is 0? If so, do you just untighten the cap off of the tank and do the citric acid + baking soda solution?
Thats a great question @rektful - and YES basically. Over the month or 2 or even 3 or 4 depending on your use .. youll see the gauges drop to 0 or close to 0 - More importantly you wont be able to put anymore Co2 into the tank at a stable level.. meaning your drops per sec are not constant. At that point- Disconnect the Co2 line at the bubble counter and open the valve all the way to let the rest of the Co2 out so the bottle is all the way empty of any gases . At that point you can disconnect the solenoid power cord and twist off the cap to empty and re-fill. Just make sure to clean the threading on the bottle really good and test fit the cap again to make sure the threads are smooth. Hope that helps. good luck!!
@@JayRockDoesStuff 2 more questions: if there where a power outage, the solenoid doesnt get power which in turn co2 wont be injected to the tank, is this correct or wrong? 2nd question, I'm pretty paranoid in the thought of co2 killing my fish, I've researched something called "End of tank dump" where co2 drops below a certain pressure where the regulator cannot even regulate. As a result in releases a huge burst of co2 at once which can gass out the fish. Is this a concern for this kit? Should I be worried about it?
@@rektful Sorry for the late reply- I had written a lengthily response right after you had asked this and You Tube Glitched and erased my entire response- I haven't had time to come back to this untill now. This is a great few questions and the fact your doing your own research before you get into this. Yes the power outage would turn OFF the Co2- this can be undone by removing the solenoid and attaching the bubble counter to the needle valve if you needed Co2 without power. The End of the Tank dump is a very real thing and im glad youve read about it. With that said- Ive never experienced dump in my Gens - but 2 things you can do to avoid this.. 1 pay attention to your levels- when it gets low dump it yourself and refill it so its a controlled dump and nothing is wasted. The other thing is the dump kills tanks that run it really lean - meaning they are running it to the brink before gassing out fish in general so the dump just send it over board. I run my Co2 on the lower end. so if my tank were to dump.. i dont think it would effect my tank to much. I haven't heard of any gens dumping so it might be isolated to the bigger regulators on a regular system. but always run on the side of caution. Hope this helps and answers your questions ;) Have an awesome weekend!!
@@rektful also get you a Co2 drop checker so you know what your levels are in the tank put it on the oposing side of the tank from the diffuser so you know where the entire tank sit. when it goes from blue to green youve put enough co2 in
Brilliant presentation! Should I put piano music on when installing my kit? 😂 One question: is the only difference between the 2.5 ltr and 4 ltr the lenght of time Co2 will be produced? Or is it pressure related? I have a 125 ltr tank - which kit would be the most appropriate? TIA 😊
Hello Petek!! Thanks for coming by and watching and the nice comments and questions. I appreciate you being here with us! To Answer your Questions, The difference between the 2.5 and the 4L is strictly volume inside the can and how many times you will be refilling it. for your 125 L i would suggest using the 4L can. each fill will last you probably around 3-4 months of use before needing to refill depending on how fast ya get that cap on after pouring the water hahahaha - I hope that helps ya!! :) Enjoy!!
@@petek7822 I truly think you'll be much happier with the 4L tank considering the size. the 2.5 L is a great unit, but i wouldn't want to run it on anything bigger then say a 75 liter tank.
@@petek7822 Congrats!! Im glad you gave it a try!! Alot of people wont even try because of the bad story's or they dont think they can. Im super happy my video gave you the confidence to be able to run Co2!! ;) cheers my friend!!
Hello seejus - thanks for watching , sorry I did not see your question sooner , this video has been getting some smap lately and did not see your question. The height is 23 inches at the top of the bubble counter but you will also need a bit of room for the hose to come out and not get kinked so call it 24 inches. I hope that helps you . :)
I have the larger system. I used the supplied ratio 600+600+900 and overnight it reached 500psi and tripped the safety valve. It’s slowed down now but still leaking. All the way back to 350 psi currently 🤦🏼♂️
Is this your first time using it? If so, either you mismeasured your ingredients or you might have a loose safety valve, meaning it's poping prematurely. If this your first time. I would reach out to who you bought it from and explain and see what they say.
@xplore7359 reach out to who ever you bought it from they should have a fix for you. These valves don't t go bad to often but if you have a bad one you want that replaced. Hope it gets fixed up for ya.
@JayRockDoesStuff Hey, thanks so much for this video! I have a diy kit that I purchased from a hydroponic store here in the U.K. It’s a 12l cylinder and the instructions on mine say 1.62kg of citric and 1.8kg of bicarbonate of soda (haven’t got the instructions to hand so can’t remember the water amount) but my question is, am I right in thinking that I can multiply your 4L quantities by 3 to get the correct ratio for my 12L kit that I have? Thanks in advance!
Hello - sorry for the late reply.Ive got somethings ive been dealing with here. But to answer your question .. the short answer is yes. The calculation in the video is for " Maximum " Co2 output for the ingredients to use them. the variable for you would be the system, Can the system handle max output or have they purposefully altered the ingredients for their system pressures. I would assume you have a pressure relief on a system that big?!?! You dont wanna play around with a 12l system thats a big tank and the reaction is gonna happen very fast. so make sure you have your ducks in a row before you filler up. Hope that helps you .
@@JayRockDoesStuff Hey thank you and no need to apologise! Yes it has a pressure relief valve on it. I think what i’ll do is stick to the instructed amount of citric acid and do the calculation of bicarbonate to that. Hope you get everything sorted and thank you again!
Très bonne vidéo qui donne envie d’investir dans cet équipement. Je curieuse que les doses recommandées sur la notice ne soient pas exactes. Concernant le compteur de bulle j’ai vu qu’il fallait le remplir régulièrement. Peut-on utiliser de la glycérine pour espacer ? Avez-vous eu des retours sur cette méthode ? Merci encore.
Hello Meurlock!! Thanks for your comment and watching my video! I appreciate you. The recommended dose from the manufacture will create the reaction, BUT, There is material wasted that if calculated can be quickly solved. My method is for MAXIMUM reaction based on the material used. so Im getting close to as much of a reaction as the Sodium Bicarbonate and Citric acid can produce before it is rendered unusable to create the reaction anymore. A person can use the recommended amounts without fail. Im just getting the most out of it that i can . If that makes sense. I hope that helps you . if not feel free to ask again Ill try to answer the best I can ;)
Bonjour et merci pour votre réponse. À propos de l'utilisation de gel dans le compte bulles il s'agit bien de glycérine. Apparemment son utilisation ne pose pas problème. Je vais faire un essai lors de mon prochain remplissage et je vous dirais plus après. En tout cas respect pour votre vidéo.
@@meurlock oh yes sorry , It was very late replying here . I have herd of people using glycerin. I myself have not used it. The top twists open and can be refilled easy , so i just use water and refill it from time to time. I dont see a problem as long as the glycol dosent effect the fish if it were to get into the tank. I am unsure about how glycol might effects the fish or tank. :)
@adnanmuntasir9984 I would do the math based off what the kit is telling you to use. So if it says to use 150g of sodium bicarb use that and figure out the proper citric acid for that amount.
@@adnanmuntasir9984 Of course, Glad to help. I dont have anything smaller than a 2.5L so im not sure what they are calling for to max out that kit. I also dont know if you have a safety valve on that and if so , what that pressure is to pop it. So the safe bet is to use the recommended amount of SB and just maximise the reaction to that amount of adjusted CA. These are pressurised canisters, so we want to make sure the canister you have will hold the pressure without explosion. Thats is the critical thing.
Hello NoahParsons, Thanks for watching and the question. My 4L I have set up on a 40 gal planted and i run it between 2-3 bubbles a second and it last about 3-4 months before needing to refill. I hope that helps you. Feel free to report back what you experience when you get yours. :)
@@JayRockDoesStuff thank you for getting back to me quick! Okay I was wondering because I was buying the citric acid and I just went with a 6lb to start. Do you think the 4l set up is enough for a 75 gal? I have plants that don’t require a lot of co2
@noahparsons7420 If I'm being honest, Ive never ran one on a tank that size but that would entirely depend on your flow in the tank and how well the Co2 takes. That's a bit big of a tank ,BUT. To better your chances you could get a inline diffuser but bare minimum you'll want a better diffuser and to get a reading on what it's gonna take you'll need a drop checker. The idea is for the tank to take up as much of the Co2 that it can before dissipating on the surface so getting a good flow across your plants with the Co2 will be your goal . I wish I could offer better advice but I don't have any experience running a gen in a tank that big.if this is s9mething your wanting to take seriously and If you do have access to getting a normal Co2 refill you might consider spending the extra and going to a traditional system . If this is something your wanting to learn and play with then a gen is gonna be great for you and I look forward to hearing what it took to feed your 75 and how much different that is from running a 40. Could be an experience. Either way Co2 is alot of fun.
@@JayRockDoesStuff okay thank you for the input I heard similar things about a 75 gallon being too big but I am a novice and I’m not really wanting a crazy co2 setup quite yet so I’m more just learning and experimenting. I am going to set up a circulation pump and find a good balance to distribute the bubbles and see how it goes. If it doesn’t go that well I have 30 days to return so that’s a plus. I will definitely let you know how it stands up in a 75 gallon, should be here tomorrow!
@@noahparsons7420 - It should work for your purpose then and i think youll enjoy it. You will probably need to pump more bubbles per second to get your Co2 Drop Checker to turn green and in turn the tank may not last you as long as me But it should still work. Getting a circulation pump on there will def help. i would start 2-3 bubbles per second and see how long it takes your drop checker to turn green or for the ph to drop . Hope this all helps you. Go slow and learn as ya go. Feel free to refer to my video for anything you might need and any questions you might have. ;) good luck!! I look forward to hearing your experience on a 75!
Hello mister, i have a question. What if i don't want to use a timer and just close it and open it manually? Is it possible to skip the solenoid part and not install it at all or i still have to add it on the bottle?
Hello @Tasos_ . Thanks for watching and great question . The answer is yes. If you would not like to use the solenoid the Bubble counter can connect directly to the needle valve And be controlled that way. However IF you choose to do that the input of Co2 will differ from day to day based on where your needle valve is. I would suggest timing your bubbles per second like a beat of a song, so you know your outputting the same amount each day. Hope this answers your question and helps you out!!
@@JayRockDoesStuff Thank you very much. So the biggest disadvantage if I remove the solenoid part is that I will have to adjust manually the bubble counter and make sure it will dose the same amount of Co2 every time i open it.
@@JayRockDoesStuff Also i have another question. I found another Co2 sustem like this one but smaller with the bottle only 1 litre which is fine for me since i have only a 10 gallon planted tank. And it doesnt have the solenoid part and some other stuff that dont actually need but it also doesn't have a safery valve. And that's make me a bit worried. Is there a chance these things to explode or something? how important is the safety valve? Thank you again for helping me. You are amazing :)
@@Tasos_ If im being honest with you - The safety valve In MY opinion is probably the most important thing on the unit. IF you want to run a Co2 without a safety valve I would suggest you lookin to another method Like Sugar and yeast in a 1 liter pop bottle and save yourself a ton of money on even buying a unit and just empty a pop bottle. hook a hose and diffuser. to it and it will produce Co2 and put it directly in your tank at a much slower level. Citric acid CO2 causes a reaction that disperses a gas at a high rate of speed into the canister and pressure is built very quickly. Without a safety valve you Risk an explosion from that pressure- a safty valve ensures that will never happen. Better Safe then sorry!! However... with that said. a 1 liter bottle will not last you as long as yould think or like. I would suggest you get the biggest bottle you can afford and have room for regardless of the size of tank you plan to run it on. One of the biggest detraction's from DIY Co2 is having to do refills to often and if you have a small tank you will find yourself running out of Co2 alot and that will turn you off from Co2 and not give your tank the best results because you will have days where your tank is not being ran because you need to refill over and over. I hope this help you understand more, please keep researching till you know what your getting into here and feel comfortable with it. I think its important to compare units to one another so you can make a good decision when you buy. I am very happy with the FZone gens i have been running for a few years now and would recommend them to you and i dont offer recommendations lightly. hope this helps you . :)
@@JayRockDoesStuff Yes it helped me a lot. Thanks for all the info my friend. I will search about the more simple method with sugar and yeast and if i don't like it i will buy Fzone Co2 sustem. Thanks again for your time.
Hello, a very big thanks for your helpful guide. I've ordered the 4l bottle. I totally agree with your results for 600g citric acid / 786g sodium bicarbonate. After 24h, I have 350psi inside the bottle. It seems to be high and over the green area. Is it a problem or not? I've also found where is the mistake between the 2 differents informations for the composition. If I am right, the 600/600 written of the top of the bottle is not gramm but liter. Can you confirm my work. Because it's clearly more simple to use the graduate glasses inspite of the weighted balance? Now I just need to connect the system in my tank and see if it's a good ;)
Hello Christopher. thanks for the comments and questions and stopping by to watch! To Answer your questions, As long as your Pressure relief valve does not pop open you are ok on pressure, That valve will pop open if there becomes to much pressure in the tank. its ok if its over the green area - mine usually stops around 400 or a little after. The way weve set up the Acid and Sodium were getting a maximum reaction with the materials we put into the tank, so theres very little waisted material. your thought about the liters is incorrect- 600 liters would be about 159 gallons of material.. thats incredibly to much . IF you look in the instructions it will give you a different formula like 600/800 - so thus is the reason Ive used Science mole numbers to create the proper formula for maximum Co2 Production. Hope this helps you . Enjoy your Co2 Kit!
Oh m'y god, I have made à big mistake. It wasn't liters but ml... So maybe it's better like this😉🤣. Thanks again for your reply and your very helpfull video 🥰
excuse me, once the cylinder is finished and therefore the system needs to be recharged, can I recharge and immediately insert co2 or do I have to wait 24 hours for the complete reaction to take place? Thank you
Hey thanks for the comments. You do not have to wait. Once you've got the cap on really well you can use it. the majority of the reaction will take pace in the first 24 hours although it will continue to make co2 at much slower levels inside once the majority of the reaction is done. Hope that helps some.
@@alebaratto1262 What size is your co2 container and what size is your fish tank? and how many bubbles per second are you using. That seem a lil short time wize unless your usen a small unit on a big tank. .. my 4L last about 3-4 months. .So your 1 month seema lil short, you might check for leaking with soap& water sprayed on all the joints to see if they leak by showing it bubbling.
@JP- yeah!! as far as i know! The timer just controls when the solenoid gets power or not. you dont need anything fancy but what ever you have should work as long as it controls power on and off. :) Thanks for watching and hope this helped you get set up and get goin! ;) good luck!
@@JP-vb4ky - Im gonna try to do some general aquarium stuff.. in my fish room as i always have something going on. I would like to do more unboxing and setup / modification videos. But when it comes to like telling someone how to say maintain their tank or how to grow plants or how to medicate fish exc.. like logistics of fish keeping, Ive found there are several ways to achieve the end goal and those processes have been evolving for years and years and years and so what works for me may not work for you so ill probably stay away from those types of videos when it comes to fish keeping. But i would love to do more product testing for aquatic company's and unboxings for sure! thanks for the nice comment i appreciate that!
I forgot to put the filter in! Can I use it without the filter? I really don’t want to waste all of the reaction I just made! Please let me know asap! And thank you in advance!!
The filter keeps the regulator from getting anything in it or crystalizing . if you forgot and i was you id probably run the cycle and hope nothing happens and get it put in there as soon as possible. Id also take EXTRA care to not tip it or get any of the liquid inside near the regulator, not having the filter in there could be damaging. ITs really your choice at this point to either lose the fill and get it put in there to ensure your regulator doesn't get damaged or risk it and hope nothing happens and be able to use the fill.. im not sure theres a positive answer either way ...
Здравствуйте👋 Скажите пожалуйста у меня балон 2 литра 300гр лимонной кислоты 300гр соды 400мл воды В каких количествах мне нужно заправлять мой генератор (балон) Чтобы получить качественный СО2 И не опасно ли это для балона?Если прибавить соды.
Thanks for your question. I used translate to understand what your saying, so hopefully this helps you. For every 1 gram of citric acid you use , you will need 1.3 grams of baking soda for max Co2. so if you use 100 grams of citric acid, you will use 130 grams of Baking soda, so based on what you have you will use 230 grams of citric acid and the 300 grams of baking soda with your water. Hope this helps you.
Thank you, @JayRockDoesStuff, great work! I had asked before chatgpt, but it answer a wrong ratio. So you are better than AI. :) (I told chatgpt to save the correct answer. It probably won´t mistake again).
@danielg.2428 Watch the video.. .. your recipe for max co2 is there based on science mole numbers, even give you the exact weights to use of each. It dosnt get any better then that.
A couple things that I am finding highly frustrating with fzone co2 generation kit is 1) lack of detailed information online regarding regulator troubleshooting and Repair parts. Currently my safety valve is constantly leaking no matter what pressure it’s producing, so I am only getting about a week out of each fill at 1.5 bubbles for 8 hours. 2) solenoid. Is really Crap at least the generation of the model they put in my Box. It gets hot as F! With in seconds it’s at skin burn temps. 3) if it wasn’t for you tube creators putting out videos like this one we would be left in the dark. I think it’s a really poor business practice to have you tubers putting out more detailed videos about your products than you have. When you don’t include online manuals or easy to find links to speedy product support is another tell tale sign of a company in a whole, ethics, integrity, dependability, right down to what the work environment is probably like for the employees. Right now I am more on the side of recommending looking at other companies or just going out and buying your own dual stage regulator, cheap tank, bubble counter and solenoid. You have plenty of options
Oh thank you for calculating the proper mixture. Now if I can get my safety valve fixed before my plants suffer too much I will be able to get a proper length of time between fills. Oh any ideas on how to easily break up crystal build up? Oh a little trick for the bubble counter is to fill it with silicone type liquid. You won’t get any evaporation so it’s a fill once and forget.
@@petertousignant6566 Please reach out to your seller. FZone/Amazon it sounds like you have a faulty pressure regulator or its not adjusted properly ( I believe there is an adjustment in most relief valves.) BUT they are mass produced for sure and sometimes come faulty. I would start with a replacement rather then a repair. even if you ve owned it for awhile. FZone is pretty good about replacements. I had a wrong sized can sent the first order i made with them . They promptly sent a new kit. So please reach out to FZone. I dont work for them, so I cant guarantee they will do anything but from my experiences they are really good about taking care of their customers in situations like this. I have 3 of these and they all work great. so I think you may have just got a bad one and that happens from time to time I think with any company. If for some reason your out of warranty or they cant help you , replacement parts can be bought online. I had a fan fall out of a window and bust the clinoid for the electronic start and found all the parts for the kit on their site. I hope that helps you. FZone is not a bad company - they arnt the best company but I find their products to be pretty innovative and their customer service to be good. I think they really try to produce a good product at an affordable price from my experiences.
I think you made a mistake with reading the mixture instructions. I have the 4 liter kit and in the instructions it says 600-800g citric acid + 600-800g sodium bicarbonate + 900-1200ml water = CO2. With other words you can put 600 till 800 grams of EACH inside the kit and not 600 A and 800 B like you say. Its pretty easy if you use the standard grams. but in theory it is possible to put 782 gram of both in the kit, only thing you need to do is work out the water volume for that mass. But why would you? Just use 800 + 800 + 1200
@@JayRockDoesStuff Yes i know, the calculation is something i didnt know and is good to hear. But i was talking about what you said and showed about the standard mixing instructions. You said there 600 A and 800 B, but i was just pointing out that my "manual" said 600 till 800 gram for both and 800 - 1200 ml water.
@@Ray47nl Right and if you look at the label under the top of the container itll say something different , so how do you know how much to put in ? the answer is what i explained in the video.. you can calculate for more water/mass if you'd like. The water is just what activates the materials that react inside. if you were to put 800 and 800 yould have material that never gets used inside wasted like 40 grams of waste.. so this is why i gave the calculation for co2 based on science. so you can either add material to used the wasted 40 grams or subtract the 40 grams out.. If that makes more sense hopefully?
Nick- Thanks for watching the video and the question . TBH -Im not sure, I dont think that is normal. If im not mistaken , those are venting holes.. Maybe you got a bad regulator. I would contact Fzone or the company you got it from and see what they say. Ive never experienced this or herd of it.
thank you for the reply, they are sending me a new regulator out, should i say there getting a 5 star review aslong as the new one works. what would you say the bubble output should be for a 4ft 360L tank ? planted well. @@JayRockDoesStuff
@@nickraynor2434 you output will vary from mine.. due to position of your airator in the tank and set up, your light and other factors. Get yourself a drop checker. This will tell you when your tank has hit optimum Co2 with a color change of the liquid. To help you understand where it needs to be, Start with 1 bubble per second and see how you tank handles that , if its not enough bump it up from there. Use the drop checker to your advantage. I run about 1-2 a sec in a 40 gal breeder with med to high lights I also feed my tank liquid ferts like niloc G or easy green usually weekly But just play with it and when your tank is doing well leave it alone :) hope you get all figured out. lemme know if i can help anymore ;)
I got to the tubing section I knew this was one of those times you stumble across a gem. Nice one man 👌
@Viperbot - Thanks so much for coming by and watching. I appreciate the nice comments! Glad you found some value in this vid. Happy Holidays.
Please join me for a standing ovation for the chemistry part of this video 👏👏👏
HAHA Thanks so much . I hope it helps everyone and clears up a few questions about amounts.
Thank you for the proper mixture.
@@ahxpluhh your very welcome! :) thanks for watching!!
@@JayRockDoesStuff I forgot to ask, how long will this last if you run it for 8 hours a day with 1 bubble per second?
@@ahxpluhh i think each person will have little bit different experience due to the ingredients ,but probably 2-3 months on average . Ive never timed it TBH but thinking about it ive probably filled them 3-4 times a year.
Just an excellent video, answered all the questions I had since the manufacturers directions are totally lacking.
@meddac- I would agree to the instructions. Glad I could make this video to help you out! I appreciate you watching and leaving nice comments ;) Happy Holidays!
Seriously so helpful. I was really riding the struggle bus on figuring out how the solenoid connected because the nut was impossible to unscrew without pliers and I was convinced I was doing something wrong. Just needed something stronger than my fingers.
Hey MerryMary! Glad this helped ya get it figured out! I appreciate ya coming by and watching!!
Excellent presentation! Clear, well spoken, informative.
@joek5205 Thank you for the kind words and dropping by. I appreciate that.
I was literally just looking at these and your video got recommended 👍👍
Thats Fantastic! Thanks for watching and the comment! Hope ya found something to help ya out or just enjoyed the video!! :)
This was super helpful setting up my system. Gave me the confidence to give this a try. Very informative.
Great to hear! Im glad ya are given it a go! ;)
Thank you so much for your video Jay. It gave me the confidence to purchase this, my first C02 system after 30 years of fish keeping, and to set it up successfully - without consulting the instructions. I have had it on the same timer as the light on my Juwel Rio 120, six hours a day, for four days and it is looking good.
Alan.. That is so Awesome to hear. Im so glad this video helped you do something out of your comfort zone. Just this one comment makes this entire video worth the time and effort to make. Thank you so much for taken a moment to leave me a message!! :) I appreciate you watching and wish you nothing but the best in everything you do!
Jay
Great video! I'm a scientist and loved your approach
Awesome! Thank you! I appreciate you watching and taken the time to comment. What kind of scientist are you? Ive always enjoyed science's. Ill have to do some Crystal grows now I know i have a few scientist here. Cyanide makes some awesome red crystals!
Thanks for the video and all the tips. Easy to understand, and I follow all your recommendations with my new setup
Fantastic to hear your about 2 weeks in and i bet your seeing plants grow faster!1 Thanks for chiming in and watching my Video :)
Awesome video. Very informative and easy to follow. Thank you.🙏
Well done! Very informative 👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻
Thank you!
This is fantastic info - just ordered the 4 ltr to give it a try - have a fire extinguisher set up but wanted to give this a try on my smaller tank.... and would have used the wrong amounts otherwise. I really appreciate your video..cheers
Glad it was helpful! thanks for watching and the comments!! Theres alot of mis-info out there for Co2 production - science tells us everything we need to know, so i dont understand where the other amounts come from.
@@JayRockDoesStuff This is exactly why i like youtube...just have to weed out the rubbish and you find great channels such as yours....all the best.
@@TurnFullCircle Thanks so much!! I look forward to your return ;)
I know you can’t see me (😂) but I’m here giving you a standing ovation for this very well prepared, presented and delivered video you provided. So informative and delivered in a no-BS format. Kudos to you Jay! 👍👏 One thing that I have seen in ‘marketing’ material is potential temperatures the solenoid may (?) reach ie: There is suggestion on Amazon that one vendor’s (CLSCEA) brand has the solenoid running at a temp of +/- 24C (using IR gun) while other brands may be as hot as 47C. Can you provide any feedback on those assertions? Did you have any concerns with the solenoid’s temperature on your FZONE 4L?
@garage-guy207 - hey thanks for watching and coming by to leave your questions and nice comments , it is much appreciated. As to the temperature of the solenoid- Im not familiar with this marketing thing. What claims or how would the temp of the solenoid effect the unit or performance of the Co2? I have noticed that the box that houses the electronics where you plug in the wire to the solenoid gets warm to the touch. This box is a separate component from the actual solenoid its the black part of the assembly in my video, the actual solenoid is housed in the white area in that assembly and the 2 are held together by a metal clip on the sides 1 in the front and 1 in the back. To give you an answer to your question, I taped a high end digital thermostat used for HVAC to the hottest point I could find on that small black box and the read out topped out at 111 deg F, thats about 44 deg c. I dont know that this effects the function of this unit at all as it basically a door..- open and closed. is there a risk with the temperatures? Its warm to the touch , you could leave you hand there and not be burnt. Most hot tubs are hotter then this and I dont see any potential of melted plastics as those melting temps are much higher.. So I would be interested to know why this is being used as a factor? Hope this temp test helped your info. let me know what its for. ;)
@@JayRockDoesStuff Thanks muchly for your prompt response! If any of your other commentors care to add their remarks - respecting components of their FZONE CO2 equipment (solenoid/electrical housing) being warmer than expected - would be appreciated. I can only surmise that the other vendor may be using high (to the touch) temperature reporting to favourably promote their product over their competitors. I’m in the process of re-entering the ‘aquarist’ world after having stepped away for the past 6 years and looking to incorporate CO2 dosing in my new 60gal planted setup.
I truly enjoyed your video. Thank you for explaining, so thoroughly, all the steps. Hope you make a Chihiros WRGB2 Slim App Demo 🤣 Love the light, but can’t seem to find anyone who explains how to use App well 😆
Hey Marco thanks for coming by, watching and the comments. Glad this helped you. I would make one but i dont have a Chihiros. I would love to own one of those lights. unfortunately my pocket book has not gone that direction yet. :) but ya never know.. If i get one ill def keep in mind about the video for you . :) :)
Interesting ratio of CA & SB. I'll try it next time and see if it helps. Also, screwing the regulator back on quickly is the hardest part. Until you get the feel for it, I recommend practicing screwing it on multiple times 'til you can get in on quick. Then do it with the bottle filled.
Heeey thanks for stopping by, This formula is based on science to get max use out of your materials. :) I hope it helps you and good advice! :)
Seriously considering one of these.
When the solenoid turns on in the morning, does the bubble rate largely follow the previous day? Or is there a rush of bubbles first thing whilst it equalises?
Hi Paul Thanks for coming by to watch and your questions. When the solenoid kicks on there is a rush of bubbles for about 1 second or less. I think its the pressure built up in the regulator and it releases that extra to begin with . With that said Im not sure if thats a bad thing or a good thing. But i can say Its not doing any harm in my tank with that initial 1 second blow off , if anything it fills the hose and primes it up . I dont notice a burst in the tank or anything like that when that goes off so i figure it just making up for whatever is missing in the tube. If your considering this over a traditional system , go with a traditional system . But if your looking at this as a beginner or someone who just wants to make Co2 or cant get a traditional fill then this is a great option. if you do decide to buy this use my link to help me out its free to do ! amzn.to/3BMaO0a
This is hands down the best video I have seen on this kind of Co2 generators, thank you very much for taking the time to make and share this awesome video with us. I purchased a 5.5lb CLSCEA canister thanks to this video and I'm very excited to try some Co2 in my planted thank. Can someone who is better at math than I am please help me figure out what would be the best mix ratio for a 5.5lb canister? Thank you in advance!
Hey andre, I appreciate ya coming by here. did you mean a 5.5 Lit. LBS would be for a fill that you would get at a shop, they run in lb. so it sounds like your can is set up for a traditional system if you ment lbs. if it is a DIY set up im not sure what the lbs translates to in materials as i do not have a way to know other then the gauges that set on the tank after the reaction. if it is a DIY set up i would consult the maker of the unit. Hope that helps and sorry i was not able to get to your question sooner. Good luck
is there a valve to adjust the co2 out pressure? I talking about the other CO2 gauge.
Thanks for the question . Its 1 stage regulator BUT hear me out... with DIY Co2 Im not sure Ive ever seen a 2 stage regulator that wasnt homemade. a working pressure adjustment adjust the pressure the regulator handles. In a diy system those pressures dont exceed 600 psi. so the regulator just puts it out on the higher end of things setting at almost 50 psi output. untill the pressure in the tank is below 50psi. meaning your due for a refill anyway and you dont need to adjust the working pressure. The needle valve adjust the OUTPUT pressure to your diffuser so you just need to figure out what your bubble count you need for your tank on THIS system is and you can either buy a co2 testing kit or use a co2 bubble inside your tank to measure. With that said the pressures inside a conventional liquid co2 system solely depends on temp. as the liquid warms it expands into a gas and those pressures can get up to like 1600 psi.. thats why you need a working pressure adjustment as 1600 psi would probably blow the regulator, needle valve, disc off the diffuser and your fish out the water. if that makes sense. IF your running a conventional system stick with it if you can get fills and can afford the system itself. DIY Co2 is aimed at people who can not get conventional system refills - remote living- people who like to tinker and people who are just getting into Co2. it sounds like your past the beginner stages BUt this system would Def work for you in a pinch if you couldn't get a fill or your regulator broke and you needed to span the time between equipment changes that sort of thing this system is a great back up and even fun to just run on a less serious tank for fun! Hope that helps answer your question and shed some light onto DIY Co2 - lemme know if i can help any further.
Hi jay rock. I have the 4L kit. I have filled it two times so far and each time the tank has only gotten up to just under 200psi. I’m using quality ingredients, measuring accurately (600 citric/780 bs) with 900 ml of water. Getting the cap on quickly. I sprayed all connection points with soapy water to check for leaks and nothing. The bottle seems to hold pressure. The gauge stays where it is if I’m not using co2. I’m at a loss.
@Nick_Gurr80 your Def coming up short for some reason. I would assume a leak too. Does the pressure hold after it gets to 200ish? If it holds try freezing the water into ice cubes as an experiment, this will make sure you get all the pressure you can because the reaction will only start after the ice unfreeze eliminating the possibility your to slow and the reaction is going off to fast before you get the lid on. Does that make sense?
@@JayRockDoesStuff 100% makes sense. Will try tomorrow. Can’t believe how fast you got back to me, that’s awesome! Thanks brother.
@Nick_Gurr80 if it goes well, then your slow , if you still only get 200, but it holds try different ingredient brands . There's something going on here, if it does not hold then contact fzone they will help get you set back up proper and happy to help I hope we can get you runnin
@@JayRockDoesStuff hey jay rock. I think I know the problem. I’m almost certain my pressure gauge is getting stuck. Something is blocking the needle from going any higher. I would bet money on it. Everything else is performing flawlessly. I reached out to fzone. Thanks for your help brother!
@@Nick_Gurr80 Im glad your gonna get set back up. FZone has always been great about fixing things for me if they were wrong or something went bad. it happens they have great customer service from my experience!
Does that generator have a two stage regulator so working pressure can be adjusted? I see two gauges but not a way to adjust pressure. The needle valve doesn't adjust pressure.
Hey @Cat Thanks for the question . Its 1 stage regulator BUT hear me out... with DIY Co2 Im not sure Ive ever seen a 2 stage regulator that wasnt homemade. a working pressure adjustment adjust the pressure the regulator handles. In a diy system those pressures dont exceed 600 psi. so the regulator just puts it out on the higher end of things setting at almost 50 psi output. untill the pressure in the tank is below 50psi. meaning your due for a refill anyway and you dont need to adjust the working pressure. The needle valve adjust the OUTPUT pressure to your diffuser so you just need to figure out what your bubble count you need for your tank on THIS system is and you can either buy a co2 testing kit or use a co2 bubble inside your tank to measure. With that said the pressures inside a conventional liquid co2 system solely depends on temp. as the liquid warms it expands into a gas and those pressures can get up to like 1600 psi.. thats why you need a working pressure adjustment as 1600 psi would probably blow the regulator, needle valve, disc off the diffuser and your fish out the water. if that makes sense. IF your running a conventional system stick with it if you can get fills and can afford the system itself. DIY Co2 is aimed at people who can not get conventional system refills - remote living- people who like to tinker and people who are just getting into Co2. it sounds like your past the beginner stages BUt this system would Def work for you in a pinch if you couldn't get a fill or your regulator broke and you needed to span the time between equipment changes that sort of thing this system is a great back up and even fun to just run on a less serious tank for fun! Hope that helps answer your question and shed some light onto DIY Co2 - lemme know if i can help any further.
What is the total height from the bottom of the canister the top of the bubble counter?
I have no problem helping you with that , What one were you wanting the measurements of the 2.5 or 4L?
Both 2.5L and 4L please and thank you! @@JayRockDoesStuff
@@TheJumzcampollo 4L- 23.25 in. 2.5L -21.25 in
Hope that helps you :)
Thank you so much!@@JayRockDoesStuff
How long would you expect one batch of materials in the 4L tank to last on a 75 gallon tank, at 1 bubble/second? Trying to get a sense of how often I would need to refill the tank. Appreciate the detailed video!
Hey Ninjaflex, I think youll need to run a lil more then 1 bubble per second.. but that will also depend on your flow in your tank and how it disperses the Co2 if you have good flow around the tank 1 bubble might be sufficient. BUT to answer your question. MY tank literally just died from the day i made this video and i run 2-3 bubbles a sec. so assuming you could run 1 bubble and get the results you want id say between 3-4 months . so 3-4 time a year. it lasts quite a long time if you run it everyday for say 8 hours a day , and ill say theres been some days mine has been on for longer so you should def get 3 solid months from 1 fill for sure , 4 months + if you run it light. Hope that helps :) thanks for watching!
at what point do you know to refill the tank? when the pressure is 0? If so, do you just untighten the cap off of the tank and do the citric acid + baking soda solution?
Thats a great question @rektful - and YES basically. Over the month or 2 or even 3 or 4 depending on your use .. youll see the gauges drop to 0 or close to 0 - More importantly you wont be able to put anymore Co2 into the tank at a stable level.. meaning your drops per sec are not constant. At that point- Disconnect the Co2 line at the bubble counter and open the valve all the way to let the rest of the Co2 out so the bottle is all the way empty of any gases . At that point you can disconnect the solenoid power cord and twist off the cap to empty and re-fill. Just make sure to clean the threading on the bottle really good and test fit the cap again to make sure the threads are smooth. Hope that helps. good luck!!
@@JayRockDoesStuff 2 more questions:
if there where a power outage, the solenoid doesnt get power which in turn co2 wont be injected to the tank, is this correct or wrong?
2nd question, I'm pretty paranoid in the thought of co2 killing my fish, I've researched something called "End of tank dump" where co2 drops below a certain pressure where the regulator cannot even regulate. As a result in releases a huge burst of co2 at once which can gass out the fish. Is this a concern for this kit? Should I be worried about it?
@@rektful Sorry for the late reply- I had written a lengthily response right after you had asked this and You Tube Glitched and erased my entire response- I haven't had time to come back to this untill now. This is a great few questions and the fact your doing your own research before you get into this. Yes the power outage would turn OFF the Co2- this can be undone by removing the solenoid and attaching the bubble counter to the needle valve if you needed Co2 without power. The End of the Tank dump is a very real thing and im glad youve read about it. With that said- Ive never experienced dump in my Gens - but 2 things you can do to avoid this.. 1 pay attention to your levels- when it gets low dump it yourself and refill it so its a controlled dump and nothing is wasted. The other thing is the dump kills tanks that run it really lean - meaning they are running it to the brink before gassing out fish in general so the dump just send it over board. I run my Co2 on the lower end. so if my tank were to dump.. i dont think it would effect my tank to much. I haven't heard of any gens dumping so it might be isolated to the bigger regulators on a regular system. but always run on the side of caution. Hope this helps and answers your questions ;) Have an awesome weekend!!
@@rektful also get you a Co2 drop checker so you know what your levels are in the tank put it on the oposing side of the tank from the diffuser so you know where the entire tank sit. when it goes from blue to green youve put enough co2 in
Brilliant presentation! Should I put piano music on when installing my kit? 😂 One question: is the only difference between the 2.5 ltr and 4 ltr the lenght of time Co2 will be produced? Or is it pressure related? I have a 125 ltr tank - which kit would be the most appropriate? TIA 😊
Hello Petek!! Thanks for coming by and watching and the nice comments and questions. I appreciate you being here with us! To Answer your Questions, The difference between the 2.5 and the 4L is strictly volume inside the can and how many times you will be refilling it. for your 125 L i would suggest using the 4L can. each fill will last you probably around 3-4 months of use before needing to refill depending on how fast ya get that cap on after pouring the water hahahaha - I hope that helps ya!! :) Enjoy!!
@@JayRockDoesStuff Thanks. I'd ordered the 2.5 ltr but have now upgraded to the 4 ltr 😁
@@petek7822 I truly think you'll be much happier with the 4L tank considering the size. the 2.5 L is a great unit, but i wouldn't want to run it on anything bigger then say a 75 liter tank.
@@JayRockDoesStuff I've now set up my 4 ltr tank. I'm very excited. What a sad life I lead 😅
@@petek7822 Congrats!! Im glad you gave it a try!! Alot of people wont even try because of the bad story's or they dont think they can. Im super happy my video gave you the confidence to be able to run Co2!! ;) cheers my friend!!
What is the total height of 4L after fitting the bubble counter because want to know if it fits inside my cabin
Hello seejus - thanks for watching , sorry I did not see your question sooner , this video has been getting some smap lately and did not see your question. The height is 23 inches at the top of the bubble counter but you will also need a bit of room for the hose to come out and not get kinked so call it 24 inches. I hope that helps you . :)
I have the larger system. I used the supplied ratio 600+600+900 and overnight it reached 500psi and tripped the safety valve. It’s slowed down now but still leaking. All the way back to 350 psi currently 🤦🏼♂️
Is this your first time using it? If so, either you mismeasured your ingredients or you might have a loose safety valve, meaning it's poping prematurely. If this your first time. I would reach out to who you bought it from and explain and see what they say.
@@JayRockDoesStuff first setup, prv is faulty it's still leaking 🤦
@xplore7359 reach out to who ever you bought it from they should have a fix for you. These valves don't t go bad to often but if you have a bad one you want that replaced. Hope it gets fixed up for ya.
@JayRockDoesStuff Hey, thanks so much for this video! I have a diy kit that I purchased from a hydroponic store here in the U.K. It’s a 12l cylinder and the instructions on mine say 1.62kg of citric and 1.8kg of bicarbonate of soda (haven’t got the instructions to hand so can’t remember the water amount) but my question is, am I right in thinking that I can multiply your 4L quantities by 3 to get the correct ratio for my 12L kit that I have?
Thanks in advance!
Hello - sorry for the late reply.Ive got somethings ive been dealing with here. But to answer your question .. the short answer is yes. The calculation in the video is for " Maximum " Co2 output for the ingredients to use them. the variable for you would be the system, Can the system handle max output or have they purposefully altered the ingredients for their system pressures. I would assume you have a pressure relief on a system that big?!?! You dont wanna play around with a 12l system thats a big tank and the reaction is gonna happen very fast. so make sure you have your ducks in a row before you filler up. Hope that helps you .
@@JayRockDoesStuff Hey thank you and no need to apologise! Yes it has a pressure relief valve on it. I think what i’ll do is stick to the instructed amount of citric acid and do the calculation of bicarbonate to that. Hope you get everything sorted and thank you again!
Très bonne vidéo qui donne envie d’investir dans cet équipement. Je curieuse que les doses recommandées sur la notice ne soient pas exactes. Concernant le compteur de bulle j’ai vu qu’il fallait le remplir régulièrement. Peut-on utiliser de la glycérine pour espacer ? Avez-vous eu des retours sur cette méthode ? Merci encore.
Hello Meurlock!! Thanks for your comment and watching my video! I appreciate you. The recommended dose from the manufacture will create the reaction, BUT, There is material wasted that if calculated can be quickly solved. My method is for MAXIMUM reaction based on the material used. so Im getting close to as much of a reaction as the Sodium Bicarbonate and Citric acid can produce before it is rendered unusable to create the reaction anymore. A person can use the recommended amounts without fail. Im just getting the most out of it that i can . If that makes sense. I hope that helps you . if not feel free to ask again Ill try to answer the best I can ;)
Bonjour et merci pour votre réponse. À propos de l'utilisation de gel dans le compte bulles il s'agit bien de glycérine. Apparemment son utilisation ne pose pas problème. Je vais faire un essai lors de mon prochain remplissage et je vous dirais plus après. En tout cas respect pour votre vidéo.
@@meurlock oh yes sorry , It was very late replying here . I have herd of people using glycerin. I myself have not used it. The top twists open and can be refilled easy , so i just use water and refill it from time to time. I dont see a problem as long as the glycol dosent effect the fish if it were to get into the tank. I am unsure about how glycol might effects the fish or tank. :)
Hey buddy i just order a 1L for my nano im bit confused about the ratio. Is it ok if i devide the number?
@adnanmuntasir9984 I would do the math based off what the kit is telling you to use. So if it says to use 150g of sodium bicarb use that and figure out the proper citric acid for that amount.
@JayRockDoesStuff thanks brother
@@adnanmuntasir9984 Of course, Glad to help. I dont have anything smaller than a 2.5L so im not sure what they are calling for to max out that kit. I also dont know if you have a safety valve on that and if so , what that pressure is to pop it. So the safe bet is to use the recommended amount of SB and just maximise the reaction to that amount of adjusted CA. These are pressurised canisters, so we want to make sure the canister you have will hold the pressure without explosion. Thats is the critical thing.
How long does the mixture last you for co2 production? I’m getting the 4l soon
Hello NoahParsons, Thanks for watching and the question. My 4L I have set up on a 40 gal planted and i run it between 2-3 bubbles a second and it last about 3-4 months before needing to refill. I hope that helps you. Feel free to report back what you experience when you get yours. :)
@@JayRockDoesStuff thank you for getting back to me quick! Okay I was wondering because I was buying the citric acid and I just went with a 6lb to start. Do you think the 4l set up is enough for a 75 gal? I have plants that don’t require a lot of co2
@noahparsons7420 If I'm being honest, Ive never ran one on a tank that size but that would entirely depend on your flow in the tank and how well the Co2 takes. That's a bit big of a tank ,BUT. To better your chances you could get a inline diffuser but bare minimum you'll want a better diffuser and to get a reading on what it's gonna take you'll need a drop checker. The idea is for the tank to take up as much of the Co2 that it can before dissipating on the surface so getting a good flow across your plants with the Co2 will be your goal . I wish I could offer better advice but I don't have any experience running a gen in a tank that big.if this is s9mething your wanting to take seriously and If you do have access to getting a normal Co2 refill you might consider spending the extra and going to a traditional system . If this is something your wanting to learn and play with then a gen is gonna be great for you and I look forward to hearing what it took to feed your 75 and how much different that is from running a 40. Could be an experience. Either way Co2 is alot of fun.
@@JayRockDoesStuff okay thank you for the input I heard similar things about a 75 gallon being too big but I am a novice and I’m not really wanting a crazy co2 setup quite yet so I’m more just learning and experimenting. I am going to set up a circulation pump and find a good balance to distribute the bubbles and see how it goes. If it doesn’t go that well I have 30 days to return so that’s a plus. I will definitely let you know how it stands up in a 75 gallon, should be here tomorrow!
@@noahparsons7420 - It should work for your purpose then and i think youll enjoy it. You will probably need to pump more bubbles per second to get your Co2 Drop Checker to turn green and in turn the tank may not last you as long as me But it should still work. Getting a circulation pump on there will def help. i would start 2-3 bubbles per second and see how long it takes your drop checker to turn green or for the ph to drop . Hope this all helps you. Go slow and learn as ya go. Feel free to refer to my video for anything you might need and any questions you might have. ;) good luck!! I look forward to hearing your experience on a 75!
Hello mister, i have a question. What if i don't want to use a timer and just close it and open it manually? Is it possible to skip the solenoid part and not install it at all or i still have to add it on the bottle?
Hello @Tasos_ . Thanks for watching and great question . The answer is yes. If you would not like to use the solenoid the Bubble counter can connect directly to the needle valve And be controlled that way. However IF you choose to do that the input of Co2 will differ from day to day based on where your needle valve is. I would suggest timing your bubbles per second like a beat of a song, so you know your outputting the same amount each day. Hope this answers your question and helps you out!!
@@JayRockDoesStuff Thank you very much. So the biggest disadvantage if I remove the solenoid part is that I will have to adjust manually the bubble counter and make sure it will dose the same amount of Co2 every time i open it.
@@JayRockDoesStuff Also i have another question. I found another Co2 sustem like this one but smaller with the bottle only 1 litre which is fine for me since i have only a 10 gallon planted tank. And it doesnt have the solenoid part and some other stuff that dont actually need but it also doesn't have a safery valve. And that's make me a bit worried. Is there a chance these things to explode or something? how important is the safety valve? Thank you again for helping me. You are amazing :)
@@Tasos_ If im being honest with you - The safety valve In MY opinion is probably the most important thing on the unit. IF you want to run a Co2 without a safety valve I would suggest you lookin to another method Like Sugar and yeast in a 1 liter pop bottle and save yourself a ton of money on even buying a unit and just empty a pop bottle. hook a hose and diffuser. to it and it will produce Co2 and put it directly in your tank at a much slower level. Citric acid CO2 causes a reaction that disperses a gas at a high rate of speed into the canister and pressure is built very quickly. Without a safety valve you Risk an explosion from that pressure- a safty valve ensures that will never happen. Better Safe then sorry!! However... with that said. a 1 liter bottle will not last you as long as yould think or like. I would suggest you get the biggest bottle you can afford and have room for regardless of the size of tank you plan to run it on. One of the biggest detraction's from DIY Co2 is having to do refills to often and if you have a small tank you will find yourself running out of Co2 alot and that will turn you off from Co2 and not give your tank the best results because you will have days where your tank is not being ran because you need to refill over and over. I hope this help you understand more, please keep researching till you know what your getting into here and feel comfortable with it. I think its important to compare units to one another so you can make a good decision when you buy. I am very happy with the FZone gens i have been running for a few years now and would recommend them to you and i dont offer recommendations lightly. hope this helps you . :)
@@JayRockDoesStuff Yes it helped me a lot. Thanks for all the info my friend. I will search about the more simple method with sugar and yeast and if i don't like it i will buy Fzone Co2 sustem. Thanks again for your time.
Hello, a very big thanks for your helpful guide. I've ordered the 4l bottle. I totally agree with your results for 600g citric acid / 786g sodium bicarbonate. After 24h, I have 350psi inside the bottle. It seems to be high and over the green area. Is it a problem or not? I've also found where is the mistake between the 2 differents informations for the composition. If I am right, the 600/600 written of the top of the bottle is not gramm but liter. Can you confirm my work. Because it's clearly more simple to use the graduate glasses inspite of the weighted balance? Now I just need to connect the system in my tank and see if it's a good ;)
Hello Christopher. thanks for the comments and questions and stopping by to watch! To Answer your questions, As long as your Pressure relief valve does not pop open you are ok on pressure, That valve will pop open if there becomes to much pressure in the tank. its ok if its over the green area - mine usually stops around 400 or a little after. The way weve set up the Acid and Sodium were getting a maximum reaction with the materials we put into the tank, so theres very little waisted material. your thought about the liters is incorrect- 600 liters would be about 159 gallons of material.. thats incredibly to much . IF you look in the instructions it will give you a different formula like 600/800 - so thus is the reason Ive used Science mole numbers to create the proper formula for maximum Co2 Production. Hope this helps you . Enjoy your Co2 Kit!
Oh m'y god, I have made à big mistake. It wasn't liters but ml...
So maybe it's better like this😉🤣.
Thanks again for your reply and your very helpfull video 🥰
excuse me, once the cylinder is finished and therefore the system needs to be recharged, can I recharge and immediately insert co2 or do I have to wait 24 hours for the complete reaction to take place? Thank you
thanks for the video, I used your advice and it lasted me a month without wasting any ingredients
Hey thanks for the comments. You do not have to wait. Once you've got the cap on really well you can use it. the majority of the reaction will take pace in the first 24 hours although it will continue to make co2 at much slower levels inside once the majority of the reaction is done. Hope that helps some.
@@alebaratto1262 What size is your co2 container and what size is your fish tank? and how many bubbles per second are you using. That seem a lil short time wize unless your usen a small unit on a big tank. .. my 4L last about 3-4 months. .So your 1 month seema lil short, you might check for leaking with soap& water sprayed on all the joints to see if they leak by showing it bubbling.
@@JayRockDoesStuff you helped me a lot, thank you
@@alebaratto1262 Your Very welcome ;)
great video. I just got one. Question: can I connect to solenoid to any timer?
@JP- yeah!! as far as i know! The timer just controls when the solenoid gets power or not. you dont need anything fancy but what ever you have should work as long as it controls power on and off. :) Thanks for watching and hope this helped you get set up and get goin! ;) good luck!
@@JayRockDoesStuff Thank you! you should make more videos related to aquariums. You are good at explaining.
@@JP-vb4ky - Im gonna try to do some general aquarium stuff.. in my fish room as i always have something going on. I would like to do more unboxing and setup / modification videos. But when it comes to like telling someone how to say maintain their tank or how to grow plants or how to medicate fish exc.. like logistics of fish keeping, Ive found there are several ways to achieve the end goal and those processes have been evolving for years and years and years and so what works for me may not work for you so ill probably stay away from those types of videos when it comes to fish keeping. But i would love to do more product testing for aquatic company's and unboxings for sure! thanks for the nice comment i appreciate that!
I forgot to put the filter in! Can I use it without the filter? I really don’t want to waste all of the reaction I just made! Please let me know asap! And thank you in advance!!
The filter keeps the regulator from getting anything in it or crystalizing . if you forgot and i was you id probably run the cycle and hope nothing happens and get it put in there as soon as possible. Id also take EXTRA care to not tip it or get any of the liquid inside near the regulator, not having the filter in there could be damaging. ITs really your choice at this point to either lose the fill and get it put in there to ensure your regulator doesn't get damaged or risk it and hope nothing happens and be able to use the fill.. im not sure theres a positive answer either way ...
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Скажите пожалуйста у меня балон 2 литра
300гр лимонной кислоты
300гр соды
400мл воды
В каких количествах мне нужно заправлять мой генератор (балон)
Чтобы получить качественный СО2
И не опасно ли это для балона?Если прибавить соды.
Thanks for your question. I used translate to understand what your saying, so hopefully this helps you. For every 1 gram of citric acid you use , you will need 1.3 grams of baking soda for max Co2. so if you use 100 grams of citric acid, you will use 130 grams of Baking soda, so based on what you have you will use 230 grams of citric acid and the 300 grams of baking soda with your water. Hope this helps you.
@@JayRockDoesStuffСпасибо дружище.🤝
Обязательно попробую ваш метод.
Работает 👍100%
Спасибо за помощь 🤝
Thank you, @JayRockDoesStuff, great work!
I had asked before chatgpt, but it answer a wrong ratio. So you are better than AI. :)
(I told chatgpt to save the correct answer. It probably won´t mistake again).
J.P. Thanks for watching and dropping a comment today!! I have not used AI for much yet, But I hope AI will be more "able " in the future ;)
Please help... I try to find best ca / bs / ratio for 4l conteiner. Can anyone help?
@danielg.2428 Watch the video.. .. your recipe for max co2 is there based on science mole numbers, even give you the exact weights to use of each. It dosnt get any better then that.
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Where can I find this regulator?
Fzaqua dot com or on amazon under Fzone - hope that helps , sorry for the late reply i have somethings going on .
You think this could work in a 4x4 grow tent
I wish i could tell you yes but i have 0 experience with grow set ups and what they need or work with . Sorry. :(
A couple things that I am finding highly frustrating with fzone co2 generation kit is 1) lack of detailed information online regarding regulator troubleshooting and Repair parts. Currently my safety valve is constantly leaking no matter what pressure it’s producing, so I am only getting about a week out of each fill at 1.5 bubbles for 8 hours. 2) solenoid. Is really Crap at least the generation of the model they put in my Box. It gets hot as F! With in seconds it’s at skin burn temps. 3) if it wasn’t for you tube creators putting out videos like this one we would be left in the dark. I think it’s a really poor business practice to have you tubers putting out more detailed videos about your products than you have. When you don’t include online manuals or easy to find links to speedy product support is another tell tale sign of a company in a whole, ethics, integrity, dependability, right down to what the work environment is probably like for the employees. Right now I am more on the side of recommending looking at other companies or just going out and buying your own dual stage regulator, cheap tank, bubble counter and solenoid. You have plenty of options
Oh thank you for calculating the proper mixture. Now if I can get my safety valve fixed before my plants suffer too much I will be able to get a proper length of time between fills. Oh any ideas on how to easily break up crystal build up? Oh a little trick for the bubble counter is to fill it with silicone type liquid. You won’t get any evaporation so it’s a fill once and forget.
@@petertousignant6566 Please reach out to your seller. FZone/Amazon it sounds like you have a faulty pressure regulator or its not adjusted properly ( I believe there is an adjustment in most relief valves.) BUT they are mass produced for sure and sometimes come faulty. I would start with a replacement rather then a repair. even if you ve owned it for awhile. FZone is pretty good about replacements. I had a wrong sized can sent the first order i made with them . They promptly sent a new kit. So please reach out to FZone. I dont work for them, so I cant guarantee they will do anything but from my experiences they are really good about taking care of their customers in situations like this. I have 3 of these and they all work great. so I think you may have just got a bad one and that happens from time to time I think with any company. If for some reason your out of warranty or they cant help you , replacement parts can be bought online. I had a fan fall out of a window and bust the clinoid for the electronic start and found all the parts for the kit on their site. I hope that helps you. FZone is not a bad company - they arnt the best company but I find their products to be pretty innovative and their customer service to be good. I think they really try to produce a good product at an affordable price from my experiences.
I think you made a mistake with reading the mixture instructions. I have the 4 liter kit and in the instructions it says 600-800g citric acid + 600-800g sodium bicarbonate + 900-1200ml water = CO2. With other words you can put 600 till 800 grams of EACH inside the kit and not 600 A and 800 B like you say. Its pretty easy if you use the standard grams. but in theory it is possible to put 782 gram of both in the kit, only thing you need to do is work out the water volume for that mass. But why would you? Just use 800 + 800 + 1200
Re watch the video. The Calculation is for MAXimum Co2 production is based on science not a label.
@@JayRockDoesStuff Yes i know, the calculation is something i didnt know and is good to hear. But i was talking about what you said and showed about the standard mixing instructions. You said there 600 A and 800 B, but i was just pointing out that my "manual" said 600 till 800 gram for both and 800 - 1200 ml water.
@@Ray47nl Right and if you look at the label under the top of the container itll say something different , so how do you know how much to put in ? the answer is what i explained in the video.. you can calculate for more water/mass if you'd like. The water is just what activates the materials that react inside. if you were to put 800 and 800 yould have material that never gets used inside wasted like 40 grams of waste.. so this is why i gave the calculation for co2 based on science. so you can either add material to used the wasted 40 grams or subtract the 40 grams out.. If that makes more sense hopefully?
why when i got this and filled it do i have gas coming out of the little hole on the regulator ?
Nick- Thanks for watching the video and the question . TBH -Im not sure, I dont think that is normal. If im not mistaken , those are venting holes.. Maybe you got a bad regulator. I would contact Fzone or the company you got it from and see what they say. Ive never experienced this or herd of it.
thank you for the reply, they are sending me a new regulator out, should i say there getting a 5 star review aslong as the new one works. what would you say the bubble output should be for a 4ft 360L tank ? planted well.
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@@nickraynor2434 you output will vary from mine.. due to position of your airator in the tank and set up, your light and other factors. Get yourself a drop checker. This will tell you when your tank has hit optimum Co2 with a color change of the liquid. To help you understand where it needs to be, Start with 1 bubble per second and see how you tank handles that , if its not enough bump it up from there. Use the drop checker to your advantage. I run about 1-2 a sec in a 40 gal breeder with med to high lights I also feed my tank liquid ferts like niloc G or easy green usually weekly
But just play with it and when your tank is doing well leave it alone :)
hope you get all figured out. lemme know if i can help anymore ;)