Looking through these header/exhaust video comments. I'm surprised of the amount of people that don't understand the difference between crank and wheel hp and torque.
I added the BBK ceramic long tube headers with the BBK cat mid pipes and the Corsa extreme exhaust with a Injen closed closed intake after dyno and tune all it did was 404hp peak...figured it would of added more...
Is there any other option for the mid pipe? They are very expensive for the bbk ones and my h pipe is 3 inch anyways so it won’t fit. What my best plan of action here. Help!!!!
@@volcansv9395 If I was you I would just spend extra time and maybe money to find a new or used pair of stainless works. I sold my bbks and got stainless works and they are amazing
@@Father_Paul_GT I'm curious also. Nothing wrong with it but the car being N/A using the 7/8 would be better. I believe the 7/8 is good unless your going to add 700 plus horsepower. 7/8 just insures enough pleasure is being pushed through. I'm curious if you would have actually gotten better numbers with the 7/8. Probably not much if it did if any at all.
Actually, the 7/8 pipes defeat the purpose on NA applications. Since the 7/8s can’t scavenge the exhaust fumes like the 3/4 due to the diameter. With that said, the 3/4 pipes are actually better than the 7/8s for naturally aspirated applications...
I have the offroad bbk set up for my s550 and im about to install it but instead of buying lundracing tune i was going to get a dynotune because i heard those are the best for getting the most power out. can you help me? Dyno tune or lund racing?
Justin, the tune does not add power separately from the headers. The tune is there to make the headers and other components work together. What many people DONT understand is, that the tune, if all by itself, is on the car and nothing else, yes it adds power, but once other power modds are put on, the tune no longer makes its own power, but rather makes all the modds work together instead. 27 whp for headers and mid pipe at the wheels is pretty darn good. That's around 31 crank hp. Most long tubes will add about 12-15 wheel hp. The mid pipe adds another 7-10 hp. And, running catted or no catts, won't make any realistic power difference. And there's no such thing as "hi-flow" catts. To many e haunt experts have shown me how little the power gained is, and it's only about 2-3 hp. No worth it.
Some brands are still year specific to the chassis they are used on. Some other brands like BBK, have test fitted these and know they carry to the newer chassis.
No. 2015-2017 Mustangs were rated at 435 HP and 400 lb-ft of torque at the engine's flywheel. In the video, we measured rear wheel horsepower. This measurement is always less than the engine's rating because of drivetrain loss. Think of rear wheel horsepower as your take home pay after taxes are taken out. The drivetrain loss differs from car to car, but on average, a manual Mustang has roughly a 13-15% drivetrain loss. -Landan
you said 5th great was the 1 to 1.... is this the same in the 18's? because several videos i just finished watching were running 18's and we're pulling in FORTH GEAR, Saying that 4th great was indeed the 1 to 1!!!! i am now VERY CONFUSED and UNCERTAIN....
+James with your car being close to brand new it shoukd be no issue at all. he did all his work in his driveway with jack stands. he woukd remove and reinstall the supercharger too so he wouldnt void the warranty when he brought it back to ford for scheduled maintence
Rear wheel power is what he was showing at 396. The motor makes 435 at the crank alone, then there is horsepower loss thru the trans, drive shaft, rear end etc.. so your at 396 to the actual wheels and ground. I make 472 at the crank and only 410 to the wheels in my 2015 5.0 with only a JLT intake and corsa catback system.
@@Logan-ty4ib I'm not agreeing or disagreeing. Let me know what CIA makes 30 hp. I'll buy it tomorrow. I've dropped a K&N in mine. A little throttle response is probably all I got. Maybe better gas mileage but I would know that either considering 13 mpg is my usual. I like the closed box on the Corsa being I have everything else Corsa. Any thoughts?
@@Logan-ty4ib not a single one makes 30hp . They are all using tunes . I took off my cai because the inlet temps went from 5 above ambient to 30 above.
@@lydiamiller639 my 1/4 mile time with a bama tune C&L was 12.6 @113mph , I did a 12.3 1/4 @ 114 with a Ford racing tune even though it has "less" power. My intake temp with the aftermarket cai was 30 degrees higher than ambient than with stock.
Rwhp son. Crank is what is advertised. And most high hp dynos on stock cars are overstated due to open hood dynos. Closed hood is the PROPER way to dyno a car IF you drive it. If you SIT in a parking lot with the hood open, then dyno that way. Realistic average dynos for the new 5.0 are 360-380 rwhp. Note that this car in the test was not completely stock: CAI and 93 octane, plus an open hood, with a fan blowing on the engine, keeping much cooler than it would be if driving on the road, and lots of extra airflow going into the air intake that would normally never happen, with hood closed. So this is realistically a 380-385 rwhp car. 15% average. Also, if using 91 fuel, deduct 10 hp and if it's an automatic deduct 20 hp. These are the factual realities of real world numbers vs parking lot queens.
Looking through these header/exhaust video comments. I'm surprised of the amount of people that don't understand the difference between crank and wheel hp and torque.
Is there a video comparing 1 7/8 headers? Id like to see the actual dyno comparison numbers.
I added the BBK ceramic long tube headers with the BBK cat mid pipes and the Corsa extreme exhaust with a Injen closed closed intake after dyno and tune all it did was 404hp peak...figured it would of added more...
how does it sound?
Who are you tuned by?
Go on e85 that’ll wake up the coyote.
Still the best color for the S550 Mustang GT
Will this fit a GT that has a Corsa extreme cat back exhaust? If so which one ? And is a tune required? Or can the car run stock ?
This fit to my 2022 5.0 GT? And do I need a X pipe or a H pipe or not , to have that preformed the one u should in this videos???
awesome to see you guys using Lund tuning!
Were the dyno runs with the catted mid-pipe or the off-road? I just ordered the ceramics with the catted.
Just Curious What Wheels Are These? Thanks
Would this fit well with corsa extreme cats?
Seems like a Ford power pack 2 is a better choice , less money , labor, emmisions legal and like 4 less hp and similar gains under the curve.
Mine with roush intake and the catted mid pipe dyno at 405 wheel hp. Little sad. Thought would b more
Will a corsa mid pipe work with bbk long tubes? Really not trying to get the mid pipe for just as much as the Ling tubes themselves
What Corsa mid-pipe are you referring to? They've had a few different options over the years. -Landan
Kooks!!! Or stainless works!!! Worth the money lol
Blake Turner why?
so are most the gains from the headers or the tune. cause if toon gives 20hp and headers give 7 just do a tune lol
It's a combination of both. Every car and dyno is also different. What you see in one dyno video may or may not closely reflect another. -Landan
will it fit with a gt350 exhaust?
I assume those power gains are from the lund tune.
I’m curious. Cuz I have headers and corsa full exhaust. And getting a Lund tune in a couple days.
What wheels are those?
Is there any other option for the mid pipe? They are very expensive for the bbk ones and my h pipe is 3 inch anyways so it won’t fit. What my best plan of action here.
Help!!!!
Call around town and find an exhaust shop that will build you a custom mid-pipe. -Landan
@@latemodelrestoration thank you 👍
Hey I’ve seen some people have issues with fitment on gen 3s? I have a 2021 base GT will I have any issues???
Did you end up getting some? Thinking about getting some bbk’s
@@volcansv9395 If I was you I would just spend extra time and maybe money to find a new or used pair of stainless works. I sold my bbks and got stainless works and they are amazing
Why did you choose the 1/3 4
ma pope wats wrong with that
@@Father_Paul_GT I'm curious also. Nothing wrong with it but the car being N/A using the 7/8 would be better. I believe the 7/8 is good unless your going to add 700 plus horsepower. 7/8 just insures enough pleasure is being pushed through. I'm curious if you would have actually gotten better numbers with the 7/8. Probably not much if it did if any at all.
@@lydiamiller639 I have the 1 3 4
I jus wanted the sound and I got it
Actually, the 7/8 pipes defeat the purpose on NA applications. Since the 7/8s can’t scavenge the exhaust fumes like the 3/4 due to the diameter. With that said, the 3/4 pipes are actually better than the 7/8s for naturally aspirated applications...
do these headers fit automatics cars?
sounds good
I have the offroad bbk set up for my s550 and im about to install it but instead of buying lundracing tune i was going to get a dynotune because i heard those are the best for getting the most power out. can you help me? Dyno tune or lund racing?
I thinking the exact same thing about dyno tuning? I heard it is the best and most reliable!
Dyno for sure
i have bbk longtubes at the house but only a 27 hp gain with a tune and headers ? seems pretty low if you ask me :(
correct me if I'm wrong but wouldn't the long tubes help more if you say had forced induction
+James probably but idk i haven't researched it since im not planning to go Fi
+Justin Villanueva even if u just do intake mods it most likely wouldn't hurt to have long tubes
for just headers, i think 27whp is pretty decent.
Justin, the tune does not add power separately from the headers. The tune is there to make the headers and other components work together. What many people DONT understand is, that the tune, if all by itself, is on the car and nothing else, yes it adds power, but once other power modds are put on, the tune no longer makes its own power, but rather makes all the modds work together instead. 27 whp for headers and mid pipe at the wheels is pretty darn good. That's around 31 crank hp. Most long tubes will add about 12-15 wheel hp. The mid pipe adds another 7-10 hp. And, running catted or no catts, won't make any realistic power difference. And there's no such thing as "hi-flow" catts. To many e haunt experts have shown me how little the power gained is, and it's only about 2-3 hp. No worth it.
How come I see 2011-2014 headers and some say 2011-2017? What’s the difference?
Some brands are still year specific to the chassis they are used on. Some other brands like BBK, have test fitted these and know they carry to the newer chassis.
reguardless of the power gains this ish is going to be loud as fu**. Id get pulled over for sure if I got long tubes.
Shouldn’t they make 460 stock?
No. 2015-2017 Mustangs were rated at 435 HP and 400 lb-ft of torque at the engine's flywheel. In the video, we measured rear wheel horsepower. This measurement is always less than the engine's rating because of drivetrain loss. Think of rear wheel horsepower as your take home pay after taxes are taken out. The drivetrain loss differs from car to car, but on average, a manual Mustang has roughly a 13-15% drivetrain loss. -Landan
what brand is that gt350 r spoiler from?
The owner of this car said it was unbranded so I'm not entirely sure. Sorry! -Landan
thanks
What spoiier in on the demo car?
+Clinton Andersen This is a GT350R style test spoiler. -Landan
awesome thank you!
what type of spoiler ?
+noobster152 This is a GT350R style test spoiler. -Landan
Need to stop playing and order my Midpipe 🤦🏾♂️ it’s so expensive tho
you said 5th great was the 1 to 1.... is this the same in the 18's? because several videos i just finished watching were running 18's and we're pulling in FORTH GEAR, Saying that 4th great was indeed the 1 to 1!!!! i am now VERY CONFUSED and UNCERTAIN....
11-17 gt 5th is 1:1 and in the new 18 4th is 1:1
Can i put this on a straight pipe mustang
Yes you can, but you'll want to get a tune after you get it installed
Late Model Restoration
Like a jlt tune? Thanks for the reply
Will these fit with my Ford Racing X-Pipe?
Yes, this will have the factory connect option to fit.
Damn I wish new York didn't have emission testing so I could run a off road setup
+James call me what you will but what is offroad? who off-roads a mustang? I dont get why that is even a category.
+eazyd34 when ever you don't have a cat it's considered "off road"
my uncle would swap between factory and aftermarket exhaust setups to pass emissions and then would saitch back to aftermarket after he passed.
+Joey Kimball yeah I'm probably going to have to do that
+James with your car being close to brand new it shoukd be no issue at all. he did all his work in his driveway with jack stands. he woukd remove and reinstall the supercharger too so he wouldnt void the warranty when he brought it back to ford for scheduled maintence
are these headers catted?
Hey Christian! The kit I installed featured the off-road mid-pipe which does not incorporate catalytic converters. I hope this helps. -Landan
How much hp difference is there between chatted and a off road set up
How is it makin 396 when the 2016 GT puts down 435? I’m lost and I have a GT premium
Rear wheel power is what he was showing at 396. The motor makes 435 at the crank alone, then there is horsepower loss thru the trans, drive shaft, rear end etc.. so your at 396 to the actual wheels and ground. I make 472 at the crank and only 410 to the wheels in my 2015 5.0 with only a JLT intake and corsa catback system.
Bad Cop No Donut
Can i put these headers on a straight piped mustang
Jeff Horn King Of Pinoyz _ yes.
Bad Cop No Donut
Would i need the mid pipes or just headers alone and thanks for replying
Jeff Horn King Of Pinoyz _ you don’t need to change the mid pipe itself. You may need to change the down pipes where the cats are located.
Get rid of the CAI kit and put in a K&N drop-in. Oem, NA cars don't need or perform well with huge aftermarket CAI's.
False
With a few making upper 30's hp gains over stock, I have to disagree with you.
@@Logan-ty4ib I'm not agreeing or disagreeing. Let me know what CIA makes 30 hp. I'll buy it tomorrow. I've dropped a K&N in mine. A little throttle response is probably all I got. Maybe better gas mileage but I would know that either considering 13 mpg is my usual. I like the closed box on the Corsa being I have everything else Corsa. Any thoughts?
@@Logan-ty4ib not a single one makes 30hp . They are all using tunes . I took off my cai because the inlet temps went from 5 above ambient to 30 above.
@@lydiamiller639 my 1/4 mile time with a bama tune C&L was 12.6 @113mph , I did a 12.3 1/4 @ 114 with a Ford racing tune even though it has "less" power. My intake temp with the aftermarket cai was 30 degrees higher than ambient than with stock.
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Why did he say 2015-2016
At the time this video was shot, the 15-16 models were the only ones available.
@@latemodelrestoration lol now I feel stupid sorry about that
No problem at all!
the hell? i thought the GT was supposed to put 430hp stock
Rwhp son. Crank is what is advertised. And most high hp dynos on stock cars are overstated due to open hood dynos. Closed hood is the PROPER way to dyno a car IF you drive it. If you SIT in a parking lot with the hood open, then dyno that way. Realistic average dynos for the new 5.0 are 360-380 rwhp. Note that this car in the test was not completely stock: CAI and 93 octane, plus an open hood, with a fan blowing on the engine, keeping much cooler than it would be if driving on the road, and lots of extra airflow going into the air intake that would normally never happen, with hood closed. So this is realistically a 380-385 rwhp car. 15% average. Also, if using 91 fuel, deduct 10 hp and if it's an automatic deduct 20 hp. These are the factual realities of real world numbers vs parking lot queens.