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- Опубликовано: 27 авг 2024
- You've heard of the fine-tuning argument, but what about the multiverse hypothesis? Watch as our friend and philosopher, Dr. William Lane Craig, briefly overviews this popular theory and why it fails to explain away a cosmic designer.
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Thank God (literally) for men like Frank Turek and William Lane Craig.
Of the two, one is significantly more honest and better educated.
Better educated - I can agree. Craig has two earned doctorates, Turek has one, but what do you mean by "more honest"? What is your basis for that claim? Thanks.@@Gek1177
@@Chazd1949Turek has a propensity for lyjng about scientific subjects he can't fit neatly into his fundamentalist views and a tenancy to plant questioners in his audience to give the illusion of being prepared for questions.
WLC rarely does the former and to my knowledge never has done the latter.
Plus their educations just can't be compared. Turek's doctorate is from a tiny Seminary founded in 1992 and didn't require a dissertation, it's more like a license to minister.
WLC on the other hand is a double doctor and has a PhD and a ThD in philosophy and theology respectively from two renowned universities.
If a god exists and has anything to do with these two and their arguments then he is doing a really really bad job.
Okay, we've already agreed that Turek has one doctorate and Craig has two and therefore is the better educated, so why beat a dead horse by further trashing Turek based on the seminary he graduated from and his fundamentalist views? (And how do you know he didn't write a dissertation?) More importantly, you effectively avoided answering the question about honesty by making another vague accusation without giving any examples of his "lying about scientific subjects." I'm open to hearing what you have to say.@@Gek1177
I come from Poland and I thank God that I learned English! God how I respect and love these two🙏The only thing missing is Ravi Zacharias🤒🤒🤒
You have to put John Lennox in there to ;)
I assume you’ve heard of him. If not - you’ll love him.
Greetings from Croatia my Polish friend 😁
Greg Koukl is also a really good Christian apologist and philosopher.
Blessings from Australia.
Sadly, Ravi’s reputation was severely damaged when his actions were revealed.
Someone like Nabeel Quershi, who was part of RZIM, is a much better example than Ravi.
I'm not sure Ravi would like that. He had a blemish as did Martin Luther. However they had some outstanding arguments in defense of the gospel. I believe God will have mercy on their souls, they'll just be sitting further back in the seats God will give to all His children.
@@rockzalt I agree. Ravi did a lot of good things. I was deeply saddened about his fall. But with so many other good examples to choose from, I tend to not cite Ravi.
Thank You brother Frank for all that you’re doing for the Kingdom of God.
Thank you. Shared this video on Facebook & Twitter (X).
Even if Multiverse exists.... None can reject the possibility of an all powerful and all knowing Creator.
@@sterlingfallsproductions3930 It's a very audaciously wild assumption to assume that a being that created all known reality is primitive. This being would have to understand far more than we could ever imagine to do something like create an entire universe with the size and complexity of our own. We hardly even understand everything there is to know about our own oceans, let alone the universe. By that comparison, WE are the primitive ones.
@@sterlingfallsproductions3930 That would be a deistic perspective, not a theistic perspective. There is little evidence to suggest that the God of this reality is deistic and not theistic. There are arguments that this creator cares. The moral argument is one of them, as is the argument from beauty. Neither of these arguments should hold water if the creator didn't care.
You would have to prove that Christians made Yahweh and not the other way around. If Yahweh is the in fact the God that made everything, and He states that He does care about what you and I do because it's in His nature to care, as a father would care about his children, who are you to say that He shouldn't? Why should He listen to you?
@@sterlingfallsproductions3930 You just destroyed yourself by stating that you know how God works or should work being this mere human. I love the ''smart'' people on the internet.
Phillip, can you prove all of the Christian claims about God?
@@IZZY404_m.....seems okay to me.
Wishful thinking?
I'm not gonna pretend to know this stuff so I will share what I know.
9 That if thou shalt confess with thy mouth the Lord Jesus, and shalt believe in thine heart that God hath raised him from the dead, thou shalt be saved.
10 For with the heart man believeth unto righteousness; and with the mouth confession is made unto salvation.
11 For the scripture saith, Whosoever believeth on him shall not be ashamed.
12 For there is no difference between the Jew and the Greek: for the same Lord over all is rich unto all that call upon him.
13 For whosoever shall call upon the name of the Lord shall be saved
I never tire of reading those verse, they make a great daily devotional reading.
@@NickyTheLesser
1John4:1-4
No copy and pasted needed. Try to read that verse out load. Let me know what happens
@@conceringGod
No shame in copy/ pasting sister,
1 Beloved, believe not every spirit, but try the spirits whether they are of God: because many false prophets are gone out into the world.
2 Hereby know ye the Spirit of God: Every spirit that confesseth that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh is of God:
3 And every spirit that confesseth not that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh is not of God: and this is that spirit of antichrist,
whereof ye have heard that it should come; and even now already is it in the world.
4. Ye are of God, little children, and have overcome them: because greater is he that is in you, than he that is in the world..."
1 Jn 1-4. KJV.
I tend to feel that 'this stuff' as you describe whatever WLC is jabbering about is attempting to find an intellectual or scientific explanation for a spiritual concept.
There either is a God, who created all things seen and unseen or there isn't. You and I believe that there is. How He created a planet, mashing together chemicals and minerals and all the stuff we need to support life as we know it is way above my pay grade. I am simply happy that He did. I know that wood burns, some wood burns better than others, I will cook my dinner to night burning oak. I really have no need to understand the oxydization processes involved in burning wood, nor do I need to understand the piezo crystal that created the spark that lit the paper that lit the wood, I only need to know how to get the oven hot, when to throw my dinner in it and when to pull it out, remembering always to give thanks to the God that made it all possible.
@@harryfaber Praise God!!!!!
William Lane Craig is passing the torch of greatest living apologist to Frank Turek
Yeah noooo
Premise 1 and 2 is not granted, so the argument fails.
Why listen to this ignorant person regarding the universe? Why is this PhD in philosophy making such fallacious argument?
Because he's religious
It always comes down “I just want to do my thing “
Maybe this god you believe exists shouldn’t have designed us that way
@@lawrenceeason8007 HE did indeed give us free will
@@patrickholt4140 also gave us an independent nature right? A nature where we do what we want to do…correct?
@@patrickholt4140
Free will is incompatible with the christian worldview.
Everything happens according to god plan.
God already knows every action you will take, and You have no genuine ability to choose to do differently.
@@lawrenceeason8007 That is free will, you just worded it differently. With freedom comes consequences though!
Good video
What evidence do you have to support p.2?
None of course 😂😂😂😂
Is the universe finely tuned for life or has the universe as it is enabled life?
Wouldn't just the fact that evolution happens be a point in favor of Fine-Tunning? After all, a Universe unsuitable for life would not allow for an evolutionary process to even happen.
Is there a reason Craig has stopped debating people?
So where can we find your invisible friend?
Lol... guess you can't?
Atheist do not believe in aliens & ufos!!
In the imaginations of the gullible.
@@somerandom3247, atheist also do not believe in aliens & ufos!! Recently I was on the Atheist Experience out of Austin TX with Matt Dillenhutty & I talked about 2 Christian men who wrote books of encounters of e.t. aliens & going on their ufo starcraft!! They did not believe & even when I brought up my experiences of a cryptid encounter & seeing 4 ufos, they said I need to use some type of scientific testing which they did not explain it to me & they after a while did not let me speak as much as I would have liked!! Maybe they are afraid aliens will testify of a Creator God & this they don't like!! BTW the books were Stranger at the Pentagon & Visitors From Lanulos!!
Where are your arguments against him then?
Remember that the multiverse would also need its beginning...
Why?
@@lawrenceeason8007 Because there can't be an infinite regress of finite things - meaning things such as our universe, which are finite, can't go back in time foreever. The multiverse idea simply puts the problem off by one step for the person who claims the universe is not designed. As Frank alluded to in the video - it's a dodge, and not a good one at that.
@@chrispatterson8210 Nonsense.
Energy cannot be created or destroyed....
Energy turns to matter... then back to energy again.
No infinite regress required
Even rejecting that....
If the universe really is an infinite regress, then there may also be an explanation for what caused this infinite regress outside of our frame of reference, and in this way the question of the origins of the universe has not been actually answered.
Personally I'm more inclined to suspect that this universe is one of countless billions to the power of billions, and that our understanding of cosmology on this scale is likely comparable to primitive humans attempting to explain the moon. We've got some theories, but we likely lack the frame of reference to make a meaningful analysis.
@@chrispatterson8210there are models and ideas where there is no beginning or end. There’s a good number of respected scientists who have no issues with them.
@@chrispatterson8210who said our universe didn’t have a beginning? But the real question is, what are the properties of existence beyond our universe
If the multiverse exists, there would be persistent attempts to travel between universes. And if someone cracks the code, there will be a huge mess.
The multiverse is not something anyone should want. It sounds cool at first. But then, you have to consider what you know about human nature and all the things that can result from it, with the multiverse existing.
You’d have to theoretically be able to connect wormholes or black holes for a multiverse to exist. Both aren’t possible.
Why would any rational person jump to that conclusion?
Shockwave coming in hot with the comic book takes.
Christianity is less realistic than the MCU
does both matter & anti-matter excist?? Both cannot excist in the same universe so one is in a universe & the other is in a paralell universe!!
Multiverse is ad hoc with no evidence, Dr. Craig points out, if anyone doubts it then watch his debates on this topic and you'll see.
Ad hoc- For the specific purpose, case, or situation at hand and for no other.
Adjective definition: formed or used for specific or immediate problems or needs
E.G "ad hoc solutions"
That's not even remotely true.
There's this thing called quantum mechanics which very very accurately predicts natural phenomenon.
Within quantum mechanisms is a branch called quantum cosmology which attempts to use quantum mechanics to create a theory of the universe.
Some of the complete mathematically sound models produced also produce multiverses.
Additionally there are several interpretations of different physical theories which can rationally be said to be multiverses.
Nothing ad hoc about any of it.
It would be my guess that you don't possess a very strong understanding of physics.
@@Gek1177 I think it is ad hoc when although it address an immediate problem or need, it doesn't address the deper philosophical question of who or what created it all if time, space and matter at one point did not exist?
@@Musicianphilosopher777 that's definitely not a deeper question nor does that make it ad hoc.
Do you know what ad hoc means?
@@Gek1177 they're hypotheses and nobody knows which is right and some of these interpretations are fully deterministic
@@Gek1177 reread the definition i put
Multiverse would mean some kind of Universe Generator
Maybe. Or maybe universes replicate in some manner. It certainly is a mystery.
Black holes are candidates for that. The math supports it, but lacks hard evidence
The Multiverse argument did nothing more than put the question one step higher, what generated the Multiverse?
@@wraves693 if the multiverse does end up existing, it could just be a brute fact
Someone needs to explain to me how we know the values of the constants of the universe are all equally likely and do not follow a Gaussian distribution (like almost everything else in the universe).
IQ is a combination of many variables too and ranges from 5-195 yet something like 70% of all people range in the middle 10 points.
This is independent of the amount of people.
With a sample size of 1 universe.
How do we know our universe is one of the extremely rare IQ numbers and not in the middle.
The odds it is one of the middle once is by definition much higher.
We see the same in nonbiological physics.
Add 2 dice rolls and the range is 2-12 yet the chance you roll 7 is much higher (1/6) than 2 or 12 (1/36).
Forgive me if I misunderstand your question, I am more of a Christian philosopher than a mathematician but I'll take a stab at it. From my understanding, the means you describe could exist for the constants observed which support the fine-tuning argument. However, the "seemingly" arbitrary values any of these observed effects "could have been" are numbers. Since they are numbers, they could have been anywhere from what the constant is, all the way to infinity. (I am not assuming they actually could have infinite values or even whole numbers for some of them, not if you want a universe to exist, but I'm just saying the set of possible values for the constants is huge.)
This is a very reductionistic way to put it, but take the dice roll illustration you used. Yes, the middle rolls are more likely. Now imagine you had a 100-million-sided die. On that dice, what are the chances that you roll a 3 on that 100-million-sided dice? The observations the fine-tuning arguments rely on are something like rolling 3's all the time somehow. They are not Gaussian averages for what that constant is, they are all extremely unlikely to be the values they are to allow a universe at all, not to mention life in our universe. For the purposes of the fine-tuning argument, sure it could have been chance, but it is way, way easier, and more likely, an extremely powerful uber intelligent someone did this on purpose. I think that someone is the God who reveals Himself in the Christian bible.
@@tylonmcswain9431 Thanks, you are the first to reply when i asked this question in several places.
Questions i still have are some of the assumptions that are being made.
1) How do you know there are millions of options? I fail to see how anyone could know such a thing. This was part of my question.
But think of the billions of cells that have to work together to create a person, the millions of events happening in your body every second. Yet this IQ range is still the result at least 70% of the time.
2) Why do you think it is way easier for it to have been done with a extremely powerful uber intelligent someone? This in itself requires an explanation that goes outside anything we know is possible.
A low probability event (i don't think it was that) lies within what we know is possible and while our intuition might not say so, is less costly ontologically speaking.
Lastly
Water could boil at any temperature, but it doesn't it only does at one. Who is to say a universe would simply not come to fruition untill some requirements are met and when met it starts, this route we could have similarly tuned universes almost every single time.
In the beginning was the Logic (logos), and the Logic was with God, and the Logic was God. 2 He was in the beginning with God. 3 All things were made through Him, and without Him nothing was made that was made.
This is the correct rendering of Logos, and the prince of power of the air knows it which is why he tries to convince people it was an accident, no matter how illogical that is.
If it was an orderly and systematic expansion then it wasn't a bang or explosion in any way. Better to call it The Creative Expansion.
Who was the guy from Oxford he mentioned to spoke against the multiverse? I didn't catch that name.
It's probably John Lennox
@@andreadiaz3900no, it’s hard to hear, but I think he said Roger. Can’t hear the last name unfortunately.
Failing to understand how it can be A or B doesn't mean it's not. At least we know that chance and physical necessity exist. We don't know that God does. You need to prove the existence of the supernatural before presenting it as a serious option. An obvious option that we can be certain of is that we don't know, even though WLC very confidently states that he does.
Atheist also do not believe in aliens & ufos & I brought this up to some atheists on a program out of Austin TX. the Atheist Experience!! I told of my experiences of a cryptid encounter & seeing ufos 4 times in my older childhood!! We because I did not use some "off the wall" scientific diagnosis, it was all illusions!!
Perfect.
Amen
Careful now. The multiverse may be a thing. I say this as a Christian. Fractal cosmology may show that multiverse is plausible. It's not this simple. Let's not make us look ignorant.
It’s not in the Bible, Mr. Christian. Cursed are the dreamers.
@@sas6384 Lots of things aren't in the Bible.
Then they are not to be trusted on that level. Something like the Multiverse would’ve been touched on. One God, One World, One life, don’t waste it.
@@sas6384 i will take heed. Godbless.
@@spacesciencelab Likewise
WLC and Turek demand evidence for the multiverse theory but dont need any for the god hypothesis
God has fine tuned Frank's hair color.
And everyone else's.
@@DefeatTheWokeEstablishment
Mine has gone from brown to gray.
Frank's has gone from gray to brown.
I think Frank fine tuned Frank's hair. He's still great
It's the same energy as his top surgury. The guy is vain.
@@jessedphillipsSo getting your tits cut off and dying your hair is cool?
I recently saw a video of a robot folding a shirt. I'm fully convinced that it was assembled by way of an explosion in an electronics factory. Just don't ask me where the factory and parts came from. "We don't know" is supposed to be the reasonable answer for that.
Do you literally have no self respect or integrity?
Brother Festus I saw that particular video as well and thought similarly... 😅😂🤣👍
🤣👏👏 that was gold. God bless you Festus.
Thanks for actually showing something that's created and how. Can you come close to showing anything like that for your claims a god did it?
@@chloemartel9927
Yes it's gold that shows the difference between a creation and a naturally occurring process.
And yet you still can't show anything for your creator. I wonder why that is?
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I believe that God created the universe like a chef would a recipe. While some parts have some violence to them they are orchestrated in a way so that the recipe turns out well.
Sometimes you have to beat the eggs and whip the cream.
It's a meaningless topic.
It seems the very fact that the universe must meet certain specifications strongly suggests that God had no other choice but to design it this way, thus is bound by certain external restrictions and would therefore not be the grounding of all things, as theists believe. Furthermore, knowing that life only exists in the tiniest fraction of 0.0000000000000001% of the universe makes the fine-tuning argument quite silly.
Imagine... on our planet, there is a gymnasium at an abandoned school in New Brunswick, and inside this abandoned gymnasium there is a basketball in the corner of the room, and inside this basketball lives a colony of flubdubbin garbage mites. If they go outside the basketball they will all suffocate and die. This is the only basketball in the entire world where these mites exist. Does it make sense to say that this planet is perfectly fine-tuned for flubdubbin garbage mites?
This is what it sounds like when a creationist says the universe is fine-tuned for human life.
Finally (as if there aren't enough holes in this argument ready) the very idea that the universe is fine-tuned says nothing other than... it is fine-tuned. Plugging in a god explanation to explain what we do not yet understand doesn't really have much explanatory power other than, god did it. It doesn't say anything about how it happened. There is no way to objectively verify this claim by testing, making predictions, and most importantly, it is unfalsifiable.
If humans remained satisfied with the idea that Zeus threw down lightning from Olympus we never would have discovered electricity.
Sometimes the most honest answer is "I don't know" because it gives us permission to explore and investigate what the real answer is.
I'm almost 100% confident that the idea of an eternal disembodied mind such as a creator god has been effectively disproven by the very same standard that the creationists use to argue against an eternal universe. The general objection is that if you were to traverse the entirety of the existence of the universe over an infinite past, you would never arrive at today, because you'd always have an infinite time left to go.
Wouldn't the mind of a god have thoughts? If you were to observe every thought an infinite being ever had, you would never arrive at the thought to create the universe. It seems the theistic philosophers have been destroyed with their own weapon.
lol dude u r delusional :D u prove nothing. I agree to your objection to past eternal universe though
plz dnt write an essay to my comment I'm a very busy person. but couldn't help but sending u a short comment ;)
man if the universe wasn't fine-tuned there wouldn't be atoms even. so plz do your research first. peace out.
I like how he said that physicists have to **imagine** the multiverse. Because that's all the multiverse "theory" is: imagination.
Just like the concept of a god, correct?
No it’s an idea from mathematics and deep physics concepts
Figures you ran away here to.
Embarrassing.
Im confused, how is that an argument against the multiverse?
Because the multiverse is untestable and therefore unprovable. That's why it's a hypothesis and not a theory. It seems most likely that the multiverse hypothesis was made in spite of the surmounting evidence for a finely tuned universe as a way to explain away fine tuning by chance. It's also very unscientific, as we have not yet observed evidence that such is the case for the existence of a multiverse. The multiverse also doesn't remove the need for an ultimate point of origin, the uncaused cause, it just multiplies it.
@@philipmitchener28 And god isn't unprovable? I don't see how being unproveable is an argument against it, its a possibility like god is. How is a god any more illogical because we came to the multiverse idea with the same arguments.
@@maxhagenauer24 Because if something is fine tuned it implies a creator. Since the universe *heavily appears* to be fine tuned multiverse theory was concocted in an attempt to side step that problem and now turn our universe into the lucky one of however many that randomly developed by chance - preferable if you don't want there to be a God as that would imply a moral imperative.
@@quentoncollins8861 But he even said that fine tuning can imply a multiverse as well, not just a god, that's why its an entire idea that works.
@@quentoncollins8861max is riiiigggghhhhtttt
Hugh Ross of reasons to believe, believes that this universe has 10-11 dimensions of time & space & says that mathematics & physics have proof of these dimensions & higher dimensions!!
Multiverse is not a hypothesis which tries to explain the observed evidence. Just like panspermia, strong anthropic principle and punctuated equilibrium are not. Rather, every one of these supposed "hypotheses" exists simply and only to try to explain _away_ what we observe.
The multiverse comes from mathematics and deep physics concepts
Wnst exactly is being observed?
Can a multiverse be binary in nature? Like one for Heaven and one where the Earth is located.
According to scripture, heaven *is* where the earth is located.
I'm not sure but I suspect no. Models which contain multiverses usually do so because of quantum mechanics, to my knowledge no model with just two universes exists and since that would be the simplest one it was probably skipped over by quantum cosmologists because with our current knowkge of physics it isn't a viable answer.
I did know a Pastor who was also a professor of mathematics who tried to explain the difference between his field and physicists.
The little sense I could make of it in layman's terms is they juggle numbers somewhat differently.
It's probably not going to be a major field of interest unless some brilliant nerd gets obsessed with the idea.@@Gek1177
I often hear about multiply heavens within Christian discussions.@@turkeybobjr
@rock
They probably dont exist.
It's difficult to say anything about a sample of one.
nao tenho fe para ser ateu!!
I don’t have the evidence to be a Christian
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A Hindu scripture quotes, time being the destroyer of worlds. Should we take generations as worlds?
We can shape worlds with the awesome power of faith. We leave it where it belongs, in buildings that are not our homes. The only faith that can truly benefit society from the home, is adult couples can have their children without shame, guilt or regrets.
Let’s teach our children to be productive members of society. Where the mothers of little babies and children aren’t leaning over them, with tears streaming down her cheeks, reminding herself and them, they are the final generation.
Sure enough, they will be unfit and incapable of progressing their world. Faith is truly an underrated, unappreciated power.
Designer is the best possible explanation for every known in our reality.
Really? Why?
Considering what we see and find are natural explanations….a designer is the least possible explanation
Why? Nothing supports a "designer"
If anyone uses the word infinite in an argument about physics, you can be sure that argument is total garbage.
Every atheist I've ever talked with bases their belief essentially on "There is no God and I hate him." On the issue of God, evidence and logic don't matter to them.
That's not remotely true.
I'd be extremely glad to hear your evidence and logical arguments for God.
Please do elaborate for me.
Yeash, "atheists" are a sad bunch.
How wrong can you be? Oh you showed how wrong you are.
@@gi169
Why Gil? Because we don't believe your nonsense?
BTW atheist also do not believe in alien/e.t. beings & ufos!! I recently was on the atheist experience program out of Austin TX, I brought up about 2 Christian men who had contact with benevolent humanlike e.t. beings for years/decades & boy did they take over & I could not get a word in for the rest of the show!! I told of my experiences with a cryptid encounter & seeing ufos 4 different times in my youth, like what is the evidence of what you saw & experienced ufos HA!!??
One could argue it's fine tuned to produce abiogenesis and evolution as well.
That would conflict with scriptures that say God created man from the dust of the ground.
One could argue anything, but proof is required to substantiate your argument.
@@chloemartel9927
What proof? Proof of his will?
@@DefeatTheWokeEstablishment
Wouldn't that be circular, though?
@@chloemartel9927
Kalam argument.
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And yet, William Lane Craig doesn't believe the 6 day creation in Genesis 1
Its nonsense.
At least he's right on that one... Genesis is pure fiction
WLC doesn't believe in a six day creation?!? Has he stated such?
This is a god of the gaps.
He doesn’t even attempt to show that premise 2 is true, it’s simply asserted with no evidence
He said "here you would present arguments against those alternatives." He just didn't go into those arguments in this 6 minute video, as he does in longer talks. And he didn't say fine-tuning alone proves God (or that he's proving it at all, rather than presenting arguments that lead to it being the more probable conclusion) and at 5:41 said we have many independent arguments for theism.
Stop with the false fallacy accusations. He didn't say "we don't know, therefore God." He said intelligent design is more probable than chance, and we have independent arguments for it apart from fine-tuning.
@@1901elina I realize this is a short clip but I am very familiar with WLC and his fine tuning argument. I don’t find it the least bit convincing
@@CaptainFantastic222 Speaking of fallacy, appealing to personal incredulity is one of them.
@@philipmitchener28 not quite but feel free to explain
@@CaptainFantastic222 "...I am very familiar with WLC and his fine tuning argument. I don’t find it the least bit convincing."
Your ability to be unconvinced of his arguments on fine tuning doesn't disprove them. The fallacy of appealing to personal incredulity.
Atheism is baseless until they can demonstrate our universe began without a great mind behind it. But they can't because it takes a mind to do a demonstration
You position certainly has no business telling us what is the right way. So Christians try to live by a standard beyond my personal feelings. That's bad ? You think I should give in to my desires no matter how detestable they may be? Sounds real enlighten to me.
@@jeffphelps1355so you have never heard of the burden of proof, eh?
@@Gek1177
Have you Gek?
Apparently not with the monumental amount of claims you make.
@@Gek1177 why dont you show us how intelligent you are and address my O. C. Instead of ignoring it and try to change the subject
@@jeffphelps1355 actually I did address your OP, you're just clearly not university educated.
If you were you'd realize that the claim that the universe requires a "great mind behind it" is the claim which requires proof.
That is what it means to have the burden of proof.
Fine tuning argument has been debunked so many times its not even funny. No. Not fine tuned for life. More like life is fine tuned for the universe it originates in. Wow way to get it wrong.
Atheists also do not believe that aliens & ufos excist!!
@RonSafreed No. This athiest recognized _unidentified_ flying objects. Many objects that have been seen to be "flying" have never been identified by those who have observed it. They are simply unidentified at the time. These "flying" objects could be a number of know objects, just not known at the time they were observed.
@@RonSafreed I think they most likely do.
Boaw!
To believe in multi verse is to be a flat earther
No matter how many universes there are, you have to explain how they all came from nothing - just like this one.
I'm not too sure about that, it depends on how a person defines "multi". It could be binary in nature, one for Heaven and one where Earth is located. But that's for much smarter men than myself to flesh out.
I don’t believe it, but if black holes create new universes through big bangs, multiverse seems plausible.
A black hole sucks in all matter into something smaller than a pin point. Eventually, it becomes too full and bursts.
This is a “big bang”, taking all the matter sucked in over millennia and concentrating it until bursting out the other side.
Theoretically.
@georgemonnatjr.172 Exactly. Multiverse doesn't solve the problem that its proponents think it does. It just moves the problem somewhere else.
@@rockzalt Heaven exists within our universe. Heaven is the expanse of the universe in which the earth exists. And Biblically, there are multiple heavens. But Paul says only God can understand the concept (2 Cor. 12:2).
Thanks CE...
Multiverse
😅😂🤣 Sounds like nonsense...
Hey Gil, if god is outside of our space and time then where does it reside?
If these supposed other universes are outside our space and time, where do they reside?
@@HUNTSMARTFASTHARD
😅😂🤣 I thought you were reading the Bible looking for gotcha content to make Christians doubt... 🤣😂😅
@@shanezarcone5401
😅😂🤣 You see... Nonsense... Where is the Universe... Anything physical will ultimately be in the universe by definition... 🤣😂😅👍
@@gi169
Do you mean like how the Bible states a woman will be given an abortion potion via gods orders?
But yes the Bible is the best spot to investigate your claims.
To find God you have to search for the truth. To find God you have to know if what you are looking for exists. God is the intelligent creator of the universe. Do you want or don't want God to exist? It is better for you if God exists. For atheists death is the end, without knowing what happened and will happen. To find God you have to understand reality is eternal because from nothing can not be created something. Nothing is absence of existence. Nothing is what innocent and vulnerable children understand by nothing. Something minus something is nothing. Nothing is not something. Nothing is always nothing. Is something always something? Can something be destroyed to become nothingness for ever? Can something destroy self? From substance to eternal emptiness. We know reality is eternal. It's a fact. It's the truth. It's reality. Either the universe is eternal or what created the universe is eternal. Either what has a beginning of existence is eternal or what created what has a beginning of existence is eternal. Either the universe is eternal or God is eternal. You choose with free will. Do you want truth or deception? The truth is atheism is a logical fallacy that assumes God is the religious idea of the creator of the creation to conclude wrongly no creator exists because a particular idea of God doesn’t exist. To end the war the truth must be known.
There you go showing all you have is lying and insulting
Atheists also do not believe in aliens & ufos!!
Atheism is the most logical and reasonable position as no god has ever been demonstrated to exist
I search for truth quite frequently. Would you agree that which is true always comports with reality?
@@Theo_Skeptomai that would require him to be able to think...