One of the "overlooked" features of Trinity is that the mounting points match the foot's natural contact points to the ground (at least for average male feet), this makes balance and edge control easier and more natural than any other mounting system 😍
kinda disagree, that only matters if there is flex and slop in the system - it's just a stiffer mounting system for things that flex. If a skate boot and chassis were suffiicently stiff you could mount them by a single bolt at the heel - and it would still transfer the power the same. There is an argument to be made about wheel positions being important, since a wheel isn't just a contact patch, it can also be a pivot point, e.g. a forward push with a toe bias in the pressure could 'pivot' around a wheel behind the toe since the wheels have flex/compression. One is a legacy mount for a sport coming from an ice peed way of doing things - I say looking at my ice short track speed skate - to a mount that has to work with wheels not a blade that doesn't interfere with mounting options. It is just a better mounting system... though if only works up to a certain size of rear wheel, if they try something like the "big wheel" inline hockey chassis that had even larger rear wheels, to the point that it interferes with a central mounting bolt at the heel, then just like at the front you need mounting points outside the wheel 'well' where they can't intefere.
Thanks! I'll try to make more stuff like this. It takes a lot longer, but I feel the end product is worth it, and it's quite fun to make as well. We really want to bring content that is worth watching and adds value, so keep the feedback flowing 😀 - Kasper
It's true! Swell Trinity 3x 100 mm sit at equal height or even lower than the competitor's skates* even without interchangeable mounting and 4x 90 mm. That's reducing the sideward leverage below the ankle joint, that's usually weaker in beginner or intermediate skaters. By reducing the leverage below the ankle joint they can push harder with a "cleaner" push to the side without loosing stability. 😉👍 * I could compare Swell 3x 100's with 4x 90's of another brand front to front on a flat surface! 😎
Just bought my second pair of HC Evo Pro Boots. For me as a freestyle wizard dance skater there is a real advantage to that low profile Trinity Mount having my wheels so close to my feet. I didn't appreciate it fully until i tried to switch back to a regular 165 mount which feels very high in comparison.
I feel clickbait is a fine balance. We don't want to promise anything we can't deliver on, but I still need to give people a reason to click on it. I'll keep it in mind for the next video's to make something a little less pretentious. I'm glad you enjoyed the video though 😀
It hasn't been done a lot so I can't comment on it. I know endless make some wizard skating frames with trinity, but It is more associated with 165. I'm also not a wizard skater, so I'm the wrong person to ask. Maybe shoot a comment to some of our urban skaters on Insta, you might get a better response. - Kasper
I would say there is a definite balance advantage to the Trinity being a very low profile mount compared to regular 165. One could argue a rigid carbon cuff would offset the ride height advantage but racecars are low to the ground for a reason. They go around corners better...
I believed in Powerslide and my skates are trinity. BUT if it's só good for speed, why there is NO Trinity version if Accel? And why soo difficult to find 4x110 racing frame for trinity?
It's because speed skaters generally prefer 195 mounts. Trinity never quite caught on in the speedskating world so most frames are 195 MM which is why the Accell boot is also 195, unless you get it custom made. This is also why nearly all high end speed frames are 195. - Kasper
I have Tau with endless 4x100, I was really surprised how the trinity handle bad concrete. I was afraid that with a carbon boot and a very stiff frame it would be unpleasant but no, the trinity system offsets that (I use Hydrogen wheels which are very goood). And this set up feels like all my efforts go to the wheels, no power transfer loss.
@@PowerslideInlineskateswhen I bought my last set of wheels, the undercovers 100 was sold out everywhere (impossible to find 8 wheels in the same shop). I even thought you had discontinuated them. I wanted to try them to compare it to hydrogens but really couldn't do it, and I search in all europe!
I knew all of the benefits of the Trinity mount, but had no clue about the history involved. Speed skaters wearing prison stripes to legalize 110mm wheels is hilarious.
Yea, I didn't know either until i started researching for the video. Fortunately Matthias Knoll (Our CEO) Is basically an encyclopedia of skate knowledge. He was a speedskater growing up, and has been running the company for 30 years now. I'll try to dig up more stories like these. - Kasper
I love trinity but the problem with investing in trinity mount is, there aren't a lot of options out there, just powerslide is the only thing you can buy. I'm stuck with PS cuz I invested in trinity endless frame but the only good urban hardboot from PS is next, and it doesn't make sense to me if the only good boot you have is next which is also one of the best selling boots, why not get rid of dual sized shells, a true 42 next would be perfect for me, rn i'm in between 40-41 and 42-43
In you can downsize at all I would do that. I'm usually a 48 in regular shoes... (I know) But I downsized to a 46-47 for my nexts, it took some time to break them in, but now they fit really well. Heatmolding will also get you quite far, which doesn't impact warrenty or your ability to return the skate. In case you have tried it, I don't really have a lot of options for you, if you don't like our other hardboot skates. - Kasper
Make another Trinity hard shell pretty please 🙏 I love my Combat Next and the Mustard 125... (Close) but not perfect... I dream of a Trinity boot with support/flex like Next and sizing/last like Iqon cl20 🤤
Now just make some boots in different widths and Powerslide will dominate the market! I cant go back to a regular frame after experiencing the efficiency of the trinity mount!
hm... I saw some drawings in the neighbouring office, sooo... Can't promise anything though. I'll stick to video making, I recon a skate designed by me would be a disaster 😅 - Kasper
All sounds great but my foot is 285 long 113 wide which power slide boot would fit my width I really like power slide aesthetically , especially "tau" but am worried about width has anyone got similar feet any feedback would be appreciated 👍
If you are worried about the wideness of your boot, go for a Zoom. It's one of our widest hardboot models. If you are looking for a carbon boot, you can go for a Tau no problem, just make sure to heatmold it before drawing conclusions :)
Probably a very small amount. I would guess the price difference for Trinity vs 165 Endless/NN frames comes from the "wings" requiring more costs - manufacturing, storage, shipping - from maybe some added weight and definitely the extra volume/shape. Also, if they're selling less, then the cost (at least initially) needs to be higher to make up for the start-up cost of a specific frame (to do the extrusion).
Yes The trinity system is patented which means other companies licens it from us. I don't remember the exact amount. And even if I did I probably wouldn't be able to tell you anyway. 😅 But yes you are correct. You can find trinity mounts on other brands than powerslide skates, and our associated brands. Endless and NN Skate both make trinity frames, and we are super grateful for that. - Kasper
@@PowerslideInlineskates The licensing fee and discouraging other companies from using this system are the reasons my friends don't buy Powerslide even though I enjoy the system. The other skate companies are using systems which don't sue or require a license fee.
As a owner of Powerslide Next 110 all I can say this wheel size is awful for skate newbies. I am not sportsman, but I can achieve speeds that close to mtb and city bicycles. But I don't have brakes. I have experience in ice skates, I can turn, stop, go backward, but this skills give me nothing on asphalt. Speeds on a 110mm wheels are scary. Convenient brakes the only thing that make revolution in a [popularization of] inline skating. I think in big cities skates has more fun that bicycles.
The highest the speed is, the better you need to know how to break. Watch tutorials and practice how to soul slide, magic slide and power stop (T brake also for sure). With those you will be fast and secure !!
@@fabricio.gennaro I have no problems doing these movements on the ice. But for now I don’t dare repeat them on the asphalt (in full protection). And I’m also worried about uneven asphalt: how to make a slide when there are pebbles sticking out of the surface? Wheels will hit the stone, there will be no sliding, I’ll just fly away.
@@copenhagen72 I really get your concern, It's all practice and speed management on asphalt, 110's are quite nice because their fair better against small pebbles than like 4x80... But I will grant you, learning how to stop efficiently on asphalt is tricky. It's a lot of confidence building and trying to look ahead. I don't think we will ever find a good solution for braking on skates except for just skill and practice. We will keep developing though, maybe one day we strike gold.
@@PowerslideInlineskates I also had a bad experience, but with the 3x100 trinity. Yes the rollover was better than the smaller wheels, however the short frame and the higher ride height made it wobbly for me and I actually ended up falling more than with any othet setups. Also, yes big wheels are good for maintaining speed, but short frames are really awfull for distance.
I'm sorry you had a bad experience with the 3x100 frames, I agree they are quite short. Which length is your frame? I am a size 47, which makes short frames for me quite problematic. I'm currently on a 270mm 3x110 for my Nexts which works quite well, and trying out my first 3x125 12.5 inch frames because i struggle a little with wobbles at speed as well. I'll let you know how the new setup feels soon enough. -Kasper
One of the "overlooked" features of Trinity is that the mounting points match the foot's natural contact points to the ground (at least for average male feet), this makes balance and edge control easier and more natural than any other mounting system 😍
kinda disagree, that only matters if there is flex and slop in the system - it's just a stiffer mounting system for things that flex. If a skate boot and chassis were suffiicently stiff you could mount them by a single bolt at the heel - and it would still transfer the power the same. There is an argument to be made about wheel positions being important, since a wheel isn't just a contact patch, it can also be a pivot point, e.g. a forward push with a toe bias in the pressure could 'pivot' around a wheel behind the toe since the wheels have flex/compression.
One is a legacy mount for a sport coming from an ice peed way of doing things - I say looking at my ice short track speed skate - to a mount that has to work with wheels not a blade that doesn't interfere with mounting options.
It is just a better mounting system... though if only works up to a certain size of rear wheel, if they try something like the "big wheel" inline hockey chassis that had even larger rear wheels, to the point that it interferes with a central mounting bolt at the heel, then just like at the front you need mounting points outside the wheel 'well' where they can't intefere.
I really liked this and the previous video about How to choose your first skates.
This format is entertaining and informative at the same time!
Thanks! I'll try to make more stuff like this. It takes a lot longer, but I feel the end product is worth it, and it's quite fun to make as well. We really want to bring content that is worth watching and adds value, so keep the feedback flowing 😀
- Kasper
It's true!
Swell Trinity 3x 100 mm sit at equal height or even lower than the competitor's skates* even without interchangeable mounting and 4x 90 mm.
That's reducing the sideward leverage below the ankle joint, that's usually weaker in beginner or intermediate skaters. By reducing the leverage below the ankle joint they can push harder with a "cleaner" push to the side without loosing stability. 😉👍
* I could compare Swell 3x 100's with 4x 90's of another brand front to front on a flat surface! 😎
Thank you for share a little bit of history. 😁
Just bought my second pair of HC Evo Pro Boots. For me as a freestyle wizard dance skater there is a real advantage to that low profile Trinity Mount having my wheels so close to my feet.
I didn't appreciate it fully until i tried to switch back to a regular 165 mount which feels very high in comparison.
Thanks for the history!
I've been skating Trinity for 7 years... 125mm
The title was rather pretentious, but serverd the purpose and I watched it. No regrets, it was a great video, so keep them coming!
I feel clickbait is a fine balance. We don't want to promise anything we can't deliver on, but I still need to give people a reason to click on it. I'll keep it in mind for the next video's to make something a little less pretentious. I'm glad you enjoyed the video though 😀
Would be nice to know trinity mount impact during wizard skating better or worse than ufs or 165mm
It hasn't been done a lot so I can't comment on it. I know endless make some wizard skating frames with trinity, but It is more associated with 165. I'm also not a wizard skater, so I'm the wrong person to ask. Maybe shoot a comment to some of our urban skaters on Insta, you might get a better response.
- Kasper
I would say there is a definite balance advantage to the Trinity being a very low profile mount compared to regular 165. One could argue a rigid carbon cuff would offset the ride height advantage but racecars are low to the ground for a reason. They go around corners better...
Awesome summary! Thanks 🙏
deep and thorough
Love my skates ! Best brand ♥️
Please keep making size 48-49 next
In my opinion cnc finished frames are faster than casted frames. Hope you guys bring back 255mm cnc frames for 3x125 thank you in advance!!!!
I believed in Powerslide and my skates are trinity. BUT if it's só good for speed, why there is NO Trinity version if Accel? And why soo difficult to find 4x110 racing frame for trinity?
It's because speed skaters generally prefer 195 mounts. Trinity never quite caught on in the speedskating world so most frames are 195 MM which is why the Accell boot is also 195, unless you get it custom made. This is also why nearly all high end speed frames are 195.
- Kasper
Your videos is very informative and i love powerslide all in all
I have Tau with endless 4x100, I was really surprised how the trinity handle bad concrete. I was afraid that with a carbon boot and a very stiff frame it would be unpleasant but no, the trinity system offsets that (I use Hydrogen wheels which are very goood). And this set up feels like all my efforts go to the wheels, no power transfer loss.
You say Hydrogen wheels... 😒 and not... Undercover... Dissapointed.
@@PowerslideInlineskateswhen I bought my last set of wheels, the undercovers 100 was sold out everywhere (impossible to find 8 wheels in the same shop). I even thought you had discontinuated them.
I wanted to try them to compare it to hydrogens but really couldn't do it, and I search in all europe!
@@Dark_Oopa No worries, I'm just messing with you. 😉The wheel market is chaotic currently, we are doing our best to provide more wheels soon.
I knew all of the benefits of the Trinity mount, but had no clue about the history involved. Speed skaters wearing prison stripes to legalize 110mm wheels is hilarious.
Yea, I didn't know either until i started researching for the video. Fortunately Matthias Knoll (Our CEO) Is basically an encyclopedia of skate knowledge. He was a speedskater growing up, and has been running the company for 30 years now. I'll try to dig up more stories like these.
- Kasper
@@PowerslideInlineskates Please do, would love to see more videos like this.
@@PowerslideInlineskates hence: skater owned company! :D
@udihu Absolutely! Our designers are all skaters as well, so truly living "We Love To Skate" right now. 😁
I love trinity but the problem with investing in trinity mount is, there aren't a lot of options out there, just powerslide is the only thing you can buy. I'm stuck with PS cuz I invested in trinity endless frame but the only good urban hardboot from PS is next, and it doesn't make sense to me if the only good boot you have is next which is also one of the best selling boots, why not get rid of dual sized shells, a true 42 next would be perfect for me, rn i'm in between 40-41 and 42-43
In you can downsize at all I would do that. I'm usually a 48 in regular shoes... (I know) But I downsized to a 46-47 for my nexts, it took some time to break them in, but now they fit really well. Heatmolding will also get you quite far, which doesn't impact warrenty or your ability to return the skate. In case you have tried it, I don't really have a lot of options for you, if you don't like our other hardboot skates.
- Kasper
Make another Trinity hard shell pretty please 🙏 I love my Combat Next and the Mustard 125... (Close) but not perfect... I dream of a Trinity boot with support/flex like Next and sizing/last like Iqon cl20 🤤
🤔
Now just make some boots in different widths and Powerslide will dominate the market! I cant go back to a regular frame after experiencing the efficiency of the trinity mount!
hm... I saw some drawings in the neighbouring office, sooo...
Can't promise anything though. I'll stick to video making, I recon a skate designed by me would be a disaster
😅
- Kasper
All sounds great but my foot is 285 long 113 wide which power slide boot would fit my width I really like power slide aesthetically , especially "tau" but am worried about width has anyone got similar feet any feedback would be appreciated 👍
If you are worried about the wideness of your boot, go for a Zoom. It's one of our widest hardboot models. If you are looking for a carbon boot, you can go for a Tau no problem, just make sure to heatmold it before drawing conclusions :)
Is it true other skate manufacturers have to pay a licensing fee in order to put trinity mount frames or trinity mount boots on the market?
Probably a very small amount.
I would guess the price difference for Trinity vs 165 Endless/NN frames comes from the "wings" requiring more costs - manufacturing, storage, shipping - from maybe some added weight and definitely the extra volume/shape.
Also, if they're selling less, then the cost (at least initially) needs to be higher to make up for the start-up cost of a specific frame (to do the extrusion).
Yes The trinity system is patented which means other companies licens it from us. I don't remember the exact amount. And even if I did I probably wouldn't be able to tell you anyway. 😅 But yes you are correct. You can find trinity mounts on other brands than powerslide skates, and our associated brands. Endless and NN Skate both make trinity frames, and we are super grateful for that.
- Kasper
@@PowerslideInlineskates The licensing fee and discouraging other companies from using this system are the reasons my friends don't buy Powerslide even though I enjoy the system. The other skate companies are using systems which don't sue or require a license fee.
👍🏾🙏🏾 🏴🇸🇪🇹🇹
As a owner of Powerslide Next 110 all I can say this wheel size is awful for skate newbies. I am not sportsman, but I can achieve speeds that close to mtb and city bicycles. But I don't have brakes. I have experience in ice skates, I can turn, stop, go backward, but this skills give me nothing on asphalt. Speeds on a 110mm wheels are scary. Convenient brakes the only thing that make revolution in a [popularization of] inline skating. I think in big cities skates has more fun that bicycles.
The highest the speed is, the better you need to know how to break. Watch tutorials and practice how to soul slide, magic slide and power stop (T brake also for sure). With those you will be fast and secure !!
@@fabricio.gennaro I have no problems doing these movements on the ice. But for now I don’t dare repeat them on the asphalt (in full protection). And I’m also worried about uneven asphalt: how to make a slide when there are pebbles sticking out of the surface? Wheels will hit the stone, there will be no sliding, I’ll just fly away.
@@copenhagen72 I really get your concern, It's all practice and speed management on asphalt, 110's are quite nice because their fair better against small pebbles than like 4x80... But I will grant you, learning how to stop efficiently on asphalt is tricky. It's a lot of confidence building and trying to look ahead. I don't think we will ever find a good solution for braking on skates except for just skill and practice. We will keep developing though, maybe one day we strike gold.
@@PowerslideInlineskates I also had a bad experience, but with the 3x100 trinity. Yes the rollover was better than the smaller wheels, however the short frame and the higher ride height made it wobbly for me and I actually ended up falling more than with any othet setups. Also, yes big wheels are good for maintaining speed, but short frames are really awfull for distance.
I'm sorry you had a bad experience with the 3x100 frames, I agree they are quite short. Which length is your frame?
I am a size 47, which makes short frames for me quite problematic. I'm currently on a 270mm 3x110 for my Nexts which works quite well, and trying out my first 3x125 12.5 inch frames because i struggle a little with wobbles at speed as well.
I'll let you know how the new setup feels soon enough.
-Kasper