Ahem, what about embedding? I am building a game engine as a major project, minus a few CLI tools for personal use. I think Python and Pygame lead the casual game jam and game developer space. It isn't too hard to find a python game framework/engine. Meanwhile for Ruby, I can name two. Dragon Ruby, which is maintained. And RPG Maker, which newer versions have switched to Javascript. Also, I am kind of a masochist, I kind of want to take just the spec of both languages and embed it. Personally, I love Ruby way more then Python syntax and semantically. I find Ruby more 'functional', strangely enough, although I think Python is definitely more general purpose in either imperative/declarative programming. Just some tea. Also, if you wanna learn Ruby and Web. Please, for the love of god, just use Hanami. Soon, I believe it will be the Django but for Ruby. Mark my words.
1. Comparing "Python" and "Ruby" in terms of earnings is the same as saying that knowing Chinese will bring you more money than knowing German. 2. I'm a beginner and at some point, I heard the truth: "Understand what you like. Focus on it. Become the best at it." That's why I chose ROR. Let the crowds of newbies "learn Python" and compete with 100 people for a spot. I don't need competitors at this stage 😂.
It's true that there are fewer jobs in RoR, but they are easier to get, considering that there aren't that many Ruby developers these days. If you're a Python developer (same as with JS), you'll be competing with maybe 100 people for a position. If you're a Ruby developer, not only will you have a better chance of getting a job, but companies will also be competing for you.
I've been a network engineer for 25 years but I could never wrap my head around programming. Until I started working with Python. Now I build tools in Python to assist my teams with device configurations. And Codemy has helped me out A LOT with that. Thanks for the quality videos, John!
@@Codemycom faster, more consistent, gem and bundler > pip, conda, etc..., no significant indentation but still very terse and readable, etc... Just a nicer language.
I come from C++, so when I have to choose between Python and Ruby, I choose Python because most of the concepts are the same in C++. On the other hand, Ruby is easy to make things done. So if I want to make something by myself quickly. Ruby is the one I choose.
I find it a bit frustrating to read or hear Ruby as if RoR is the only webframework. Frankly, Sinatra + Sequel is fantastic, simple, stable etc. Other Ruby webframeworks are Hanami (recently release their upgrade 2.1) and Roda. RoR is a pain. And then, there also is mruby for doing other things than web development. That doesn't change what you said about smaller community and less jobs obviously. By the way, I understood that in Japan Ruby is used for many things, other than RoR.
@@Codemycom It does actually. In my opinion, rails killed ruby. Using RoR, you don't really program in ruby, but fill out the whitespaces that the framework leaves you. You question is "which is better?" If your question were "which is most useful?", then yes, you're right: Python.
Why did Python get shot down for being an interpreted language, but not Ruby? Did something change with Ruby that I missed? Last time I checked, Ruby was still measurably quite a bit slower than Python (which itself is measurably a snail unless you use PyPy or similar).
Ruby's faster than Python and pretty much always has been. With YJIT especially. Both are slow enough though that it doesn't really matter though. And both use C/C++ libs to do anything computationally expensive.
@@perogycookthat doesn't apply to Rails which is quite a fat and slow boi compared to other Ruby web frameworks. And it doesn't benefit from JIT last time I checked (which was like a year ago, but I doubt it has changed) Still, it doesn't matter, unless you have a huge high load project
Python is extremely large community and resources. Now AI have impact on every companies, Python needed more than ever and become most use language. Python can do everything except system development.
Python seems to be a front for C/C++. To me, that means that Python is not its own language. There is nothing wrong with having libraries that writen in C/C++ or Rust or Go (or Cobol) for that matter. And in Python, spaces and tabs and new lines (blank lines) are like reserved words. Not good. Not good at all. I do not know Ruby nor Python. But, I think I would be more comfortable with Ruby.
No, Python is most certainly 1. it's own language. and 1b. The most popular language in the history of programming... and 2. No, spaces and new lines are not at all reserved words. Python ignores them.
@@CodemycomBut in Python when you have an "if" statement and you misplace a space or a new line ot a tab or something like that, it seems just like in another language when you have an "if ... end if" construct and you misplace or forget the "end if" part, your program fails or it produces terrible results. That is why I say that in Python, white space characters act just like reserved words. They do not act just as readability markers. They control how a Python program flow and perform. Just like "end if" or "end do", and so on. For that reason, I do not like the look and feel of Python.
No I didn't, you didn't pay attention. I said Ruby on Rails is hard, not Ruby. They are 2 different things. If you want to be an obnoxious troll, at least pay attention.
The biggest issue with rails I think is the documentation. Sure it’s comprehensive, but it’s written in such a way that it assumes too much. It’s bad for beginners as it doesn’t move slow enough and bad for devs from other platforms as it’s not concise enough to use a reference. You get long periods of fun and smooth sailing and then a brick wall of something that isn’t actually that obscure a question follows by three hours of googling.
Ruby ❤
Ahem, what about embedding? I am building a game engine as a major project, minus a few CLI tools for personal use. I think Python and Pygame lead the casual game jam and game developer space. It isn't too hard to find a python game framework/engine.
Meanwhile for Ruby, I can name two. Dragon Ruby, which is maintained. And RPG Maker, which newer versions have switched to Javascript.
Also, I am kind of a masochist, I kind of want to take just the spec of both languages and embed it. Personally, I love Ruby way more then Python syntax and semantically. I find Ruby more 'functional', strangely enough, although I think Python is definitely more general purpose in either imperative/declarative programming.
Just some tea.
Also, if you wanna learn Ruby and Web. Please, for the love of god, just use Hanami. Soon, I believe it will be the Django but for Ruby. Mark my words.
Joke: Ruby on rails is difficult to learn 🤣
lol
1. Comparing "Python" and "Ruby" in terms of earnings is the same as saying that knowing Chinese will bring you more money than knowing German.
2. I'm a beginner and at some point, I heard the truth: "Understand what you like. Focus on it. Become the best at it."
That's why I chose ROR. Let the crowds of newbies "learn Python" and compete with 100 people for a spot. I don't need competitors at this stage 😂.
ha, all good points
Me too Bro
I thought scarcity of talents drives demand and pay. So ROR I go.
It's true that there are fewer jobs in RoR, but they are easier to get, considering that there aren't that many Ruby developers these days. If you're a Python developer (same as with JS), you'll be competing with maybe 100 people for a position. If you're a Ruby developer, not only will you have a better chance of getting a job, but companies will also be competing for you.
Solid point
Seems balanced then. Less competition with fewer opportunities vs more opportunities with more competition 🤷🏾♂️
@@Lab_Analyst yep
@@Lab_Analyst But when you have less competition you have more chances to negotiate a higher salary 😉
As long as your not jr then its great. But for jr ruby jobs seem impossible to land.
Ruby > Python (until 3.10) for one reason: Switch Statements.
One thing I love/hate about ruby... Want to use ()? OK. Don't want to? OK.
ha yeah
I've been a network engineer for 25 years but I could never wrap my head around programming. Until I started working with Python. Now I build tools in Python to assist my teams with device configurations. And Codemy has helped me out A LOT with that. Thanks for the quality videos, John!
awesome! glad to hear it!
idc about people underrate ruby, i love this language and it's web framework, rails. i use it until now.
whatever floats your boat
Ruby's much better but unfortunately Python has become standard for many tasks...
much better? in what ways?
@@Codemycom faster, more consistent, gem and bundler > pip, conda, etc..., no significant indentation but still very terse and readable, etc... Just a nicer language.
I come from C++, so when I have to choose between Python and Ruby, I choose Python because most of the concepts are the same in C++. On the other hand, Ruby is easy to make things done. So if I want to make something by myself quickly. Ruby is the one I choose.
Actually salaries for Python would be lower, going by your logic. Nevertheless great video.
no, not really
I find it a bit frustrating to read or hear Ruby as if RoR is the only webframework. Frankly, Sinatra + Sequel is fantastic, simple, stable etc. Other Ruby webframeworks are Hanami (recently release their upgrade 2.1) and Roda. RoR is a pain. And then, there also is mruby for doing other things than web development. That doesn't change what you said about smaller community and less jobs obviously. By the way, I understood that in Japan Ruby is used for many things, other than RoR.
There may be many other frameworks, but if hardly anyone uses them...does it matter?
@@Codemycom It does actually. In my opinion, rails killed ruby. Using RoR, you don't really program in ruby, but fill out the whitespaces that the framework leaves you. You question is "which is better?" If your question were "which is most useful?", then yes, you're right: Python.
@@tibo-bt1ig but again, if no one is using them, it doesn't matter. User community is essential for a framework, and those you mention have none.
Why did Python get shot down for being an interpreted language, but not Ruby? Did something change with Ruby that I missed? Last time I checked, Ruby was still measurably quite a bit slower than Python (which itself is measurably a snail unless you use PyPy or similar).
yup
Ruby's faster than Python and pretty much always has been. With YJIT especially. Both are slow enough though that it doesn't really matter though. And both use C/C++ libs to do anything computationally expensive.
@@perogycookthat doesn't apply to Rails which is quite a fat and slow boi compared to other Ruby web frameworks. And it doesn't benefit from JIT last time I checked (which was like a year ago, but I doubt it has changed)
Still, it doesn't matter, unless you have a huge high load project
without the start and end backets in python turns me off
weird
Python is extremely large community and resources. Now AI have impact on every companies, Python needed more than ever and become most use language. Python can do everything except system development.
Yep
Python! Python! Hip hip hooray🙂
yep!
Sir big fan plz pin me I have learned ML & Flask from you!!!❤
Awesome!
you are the best i am new here but i can tell you are the best on youtube
Thanks!
Utilizo python para automatizar algunas tareas, incluso lo utilizo para consultar WMI a equipos remotos en red.
can you make flet tutorials 😁 that will focus on mobile frontend development that can work with django backend?
yeah eventually
I use both... but the one python pain point..
rubygems is better than pip.... hands down.
Gemfile vs ? requirements.txt ... like really.
I think im in the wrong place....
I like Pythons and Rubies, but idk what any of this means lol.
lol
Python. Hands down.
Agreed
Can you please do a similar comparison on Java and Python ? Thanks in Advance. Also, I love your contents a lot, especially Flask Fridays :)
Good idea!
As any "x vs y" question, it depends what ur using them for so this comparison isn't fair for neither of those languages
Sure it is. but you can keep arguing if you want.
Python seems to be a front for C/C++. To me, that means that Python is not its own language. There is nothing wrong with having libraries that writen in C/C++ or Rust or Go (or Cobol) for that matter.
And in Python, spaces and tabs and new lines (blank lines) are like reserved words. Not good. Not good at all.
I do not know Ruby nor Python. But, I think I would be more comfortable with Ruby.
No, Python is most certainly 1. it's own language. and 1b. The most popular language in the history of programming... and 2. No, spaces and new lines are not at all reserved words. Python ignores them.
@@CodemycomBut in Python when you have an "if" statement and you misplace a space or a new line ot a tab or something like that, it seems just like in another language when you have an "if ... end if" construct and you misplace or forget the "end if" part, your program fails or it produces terrible results. That is why I say that in Python, white space characters act just like reserved words. They do not act just as readability markers. They control how a Python program flow and perform. Just like "end if" or "end do", and so on. For that reason, I do not like the look and feel of Python.
How about Flutter and Go? Will you film a comparison with Python?
Possibly
What do you think about Rust language?
It has it's uses
Show, great video 📚
Thanks!
This is 🐂💩. You say Ruby is super easy to learn and in cons of Ruby you mention it is hard to learn.
No I didn't, you didn't pay attention. I said Ruby on Rails is hard, not Ruby. They are 2 different things. If you want to be an obnoxious troll, at least pay attention.
Rails is hard because of It's conventions, not because of ruby
@@vishnuprasanth4725 sure
The biggest issue with rails I think is the documentation. Sure it’s comprehensive, but it’s written in such a way that it assumes too much. It’s bad for beginners as it doesn’t move slow enough and bad for devs from other platforms as it’s not concise enough to use a reference. You get long periods of fun and smooth sailing and then a brick wall of something that isn’t actually that obscure a question follows by three hours of googling.
@@EightNineOne very true
python is the best
yep
❤
:-)
I am first!!!!
Fun
Are they still supporting Ruby?
Of course
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huh?