@@t1rnrnyuk I think his point is the punishment is meaningless or unenforceable, so there is no deterrent to cheating. If they can get away with it or just a slap on the wrist, why stop?
The last guy that QB exposed 3 months ago got 2 weeks ban and was back playing like nothing ever happened . Those cheaters should have their accounts deleted for good .
@@scoutboy776 and what's stopping you? don't you lose even more potential revenue from all others who just don't come due to these ones which you just refuse to get the fck out? :) believe or not...dignity and the right attitude is a thing...even when profit is involved...
@@scoutboy776 You should see the state of cheating in war thunder... W.T.C.S -channel has good coverage of the state of cheaters. Accounts get banned, and new accounts pop up with premiums to just cheat again till the next ban wave... Banning the accounts doesn't remove the players, they just change their HWID, use a VPN and play on a new account and buy a premium using regional pricing. And that's in a game with server replays and an anti-cheat.
WG simply dont care about bots,riggers, etc. Send them report showcasing clear bot acount with over 150 games a day with 1 average dpg and the response was "stop sending us reports"
Sad part is they want to claim the griefers as “part of the active community” numbers so they can claim the game is not in decline. Otherwise they would be canned for lack of revenue and their position being made redundant.
@Terrorbrot "You are receiving this email because you were found to be engaging in a Minor Chat Violation. Specifically, you were observed Insults and provocations You were given a ban, and your Relapses rating has increased. Ban lengths will continue to get longer each time your rating increases." I never insult anyone in the game or the chat more than the unninstall the game please.
Russian WG programmers do Orc things, they don’t really care unless it makes them poorer, it’s in their blood, just look at what their compatriots are doing in Ukraine. This game is rotten to the core, that’s why ppl leave the game, dumbass spotting, RNG and MM mechanics piss people off too.
Their complete lack of care for the balance of their game and the way they power creeped premium tanks drove me away. I LOVED the game but I miss the days when premiums were effectively 1/2 a tier below the tech tree tanks and premium ammo was not spammed in every single match completely nullifying heavy armor is a lot of situations. Rant over. Just makes me sad to think how much I used to enjoy the game.
@@odinswolf_766 I remember those days. I dont even care about the premiums so much, but the gold spam and terrible MMer finally killed it for me. The gold spam is annoying at best. The new MMer killed off any real platooning with friends and being at -2 95% of the time got old real quick and drove away the handful of people I played with.
@@odinswolf_766You see Yuri, you think game balance is when matches are fair and there are no broken tanks. WG thinks of game balance as how many broken tanks they can sell before player exodus makes it a loss trade.
There is absolutely no chance they accidentally stumbled across a bunch of inactive tanks. They were usually the first to get to the spawn, didn't deviate from going to the spawn, and even passed active enemies to go to the spawns. WG needs to check replays on blatant rig players like this and issue permanent bans rather than temp bans from auto-detection.
@@Mut4ntG4m3r That's not much of an accomplishment if cheaters swarm the game. If WG doesn't ban quick enough (which they don't), the NR. of cheaters increases.
I'm not sure if you guys are aware but there is Full Business with full crews of people who are getting paid salaries and making a living out of it.... Its nothing new. Wargaming is aware of this and does nothing about it. In fact I dare to say WG lets the do that.
@@AlexaMG35 this was my best explanation for why WG left the Obj. 279 (e) and Chieftain in a broken OP state for so long. They were getting a cut from those grinding services...
@@scoutboy776 hence I have rigged battles myself on the EU4 server (around 600+- with 5k average) and havent been banned since, I mean I do have morals but even myself I question how wg couldnt ban me or others but could ban innocent people before who got into games with riggers.
@@jlangerrr6240Ugh, mate, that is rough. Personally, if I drop under under 40 in the first 10 matches of a session, I accept that this is not the day for me to play and move on to do something else. It is just not worth it to bang my head against that wall
As a player who played thousands of battles in late night/early morning hours due to my working hours, this matchmaking is clearly rigged. This does not happen on any of the EU servers, even between 2-6am -_- Of course there will be situations with one, two, even three afks in the middle of the night, but never majority of the team. WG should just permaban every account that was involved in those games. There are literally dozens of 3rd party boosting websites that provides rigging games like this so they can sell easy 3 marks, campaign missions and stuff. I wouldn't be surprised if it was involving some sort of illegal mods to abuse the matchmaker to get so many botted accounts into one game with their "customer". I don't understand one thing. This game is SO old, and WG still didn't figured out a system to simply check all 10k+ damage games that happen if they are legit or not, just by filtering them by movements of the tanks. Nowadays majority of 10k games happen during rigged games, because thats the easiest way to boost someone to 3rd mark quickly.
WG can stop cheating in World of Tanks but they don't want to. As I have explained earlier, I used to report a lot of bots, I sent replays to WG's customer support, I used the in-game reporting system and nothing happened. I reported 44% WR tomato driving Obj.279e with 46% WR and WG didn't see anything wrong with that. Sure, the most difficult missions can be done by someone with 44% average wins, although with the Obj.279e they couldn't even find the left mouse button to fire. WG does not care and anyone playing the game with these bots and cheaters is a fool.
Overall winrate can be pretty deceiving. I know players who are usually really good at the game, occasionally decide to jump into their T8 premium lights and just run them into the enemy all day to farm credits. Similarly, I've seen players with 3 marks of excellence, some 10k games on a tank, just stand in one spot and not do anything the entire game. Maybe they're just having a bad day.
@juanzulu1318 you are correct, this would require more investigation. I am pretty sure this guy used a service to get the tank so in his stats we would see sudden increase in damage and winrate until the missions were done.
I have some epic games here and there. Usually it's luck. I get the right amount of stupid on my team to let me shine more and the right amount of stupid on the enemy team to make my pushes and aggression easier. What I really love is when someone decides to knock down trees, while I'm watching, and then try to scream at me about how I'm hacking. Had it happen the other day last week. Even told the guy to watch the replay himself because he refused to believe he knocked down trees, despite it happening. It amazes me how people still can't grasp the simple fact that when you knock down trees people can see it, and it doesn't have to be in the communication range either. You can see a good bit away outside of that too.
@@johnmorrison4224 Yeah. Look at areas known to have campers. Aim at the base of the tree, not exactly but a little higher to try and account for RNG on the shot. The second the tree goes down fire. Or fire in the general vicinity of where the tree(s) used to stand, again aiming near their base.
this is shame of Wargaming, who did nothing against this kind of players - this isn't new - this battle rigging is happening from years ago. Also this is against normal players as these rigged battles increase the MoE limits + if you are one of the player who want to play in fair and you find yousefl in these battles you are f:ck:d. Expecting some open communication from Wargaming but they are silent. Expecting to perma ban these accounts and delete server data from these - but nothing happens. Good Job Wargaming!
WG doesn’t care about anything except making money. If a player spends hundreds of dollars a year on WoT, why would they ban the player. That player is a money maker for them.
I play late nights on the N.A. server because thats where my account is and im living in the Philippines.....and I still SUCK LOL no clan or rewards tanks here......just 62 years old trying to have fun and not a sweaty player.
@@Shack11 yes there are, they just go to South american servers cuz the amount of people there is lower, so its easier to rig battles, either for dpg, marks of excellemce, or campaign missions, they get it all done on nights at SA server
Someone should raise the issue with the Digital Services - European Commission and it like the vendor knows there is a problem with a game rigged and not doing something about it, thats a Fine waiting to Hit WG.
All those players cheat and that's how they get their high statistics. It is certain that the regular player will find it increasingly difficult to improve if you get such cheaters in your game! I've been playing since 2018 and I can tell you that I see enough of what's going on in this goddamn shitty game!
They can get the sign in information from wot replay which is very corrupt. Then they can sign in with those stolen ID's and have them afk. This is not a small business it is an actual business of cheaters.
Thanks QB. It takes skill, knowledge, time, and passion of the game to hunt down and investigate these instances. Both videos I’ve seen end up exposing multiple accounts if not entire clans. WG may not invest the time you do to get this result but your public findings pressure them to action penalties. Love it
Haven't been on there for 3+ years, but I do remember it being full of people chanting "it's not a failure but a feature of the game". Often times they were moderators. Granted there were a lot of moaners as well, but I think the first group contributed a lot more for the bad direction in which the game went.
the ones that shut down because WG didnt want to hire moderators for it, and went to the ses pool called discord. were people get banned for using brain power and having logical conversations
I remember the forums were full of ppl talking BS ... and they got banned for that. Not one person ever got banned because they found a cheater. In fact 99,9% of those players weren't even able to understand _basic_ game mechanics but yet claimed they found cheaters. Everything looks like cheats if you are a trash player.
@@Foolsgarden97 Playing honestly will not prevent you playing with/against cheaters and riggers. If that issue is not fixed by WG, we can't speak of honest play.
I feel like every time QB uses tomato gg I learn something new about it, that replay feature where you see the battle progress on the minimap is really neat
I will occasionally blind shot likely locations and bushes. I've blind killed TDs before, no cheating necessary. You can see if your shot hit a tank by it disappearing instead of impacting the ground.
Back in the days, blind shooting was expensive and you had to manage your amount of ammo kind of... but we did it. Even with arty. To counter arti was (is still) fun. I admit I blindshoot now much MUCH more often, there is a point in the game you don't care anymore about credits and ammo cost. Every (blind) shot not taken is possible less damage. It is more common now to check positons with a left click and on top you know positions, so you expect there someone.
Just last week I caught a player cheating on one of the EU servers during the day. He was using an illegal mod which allowed him to see me and my team mates while we were unspotted. I checked the replay twice just to be sure that those were not lucky blind shots, and it became obvious that he did in fact cheat. I filed a ticket with my replay attached and the next day just received an automated response that told me not to worry as their filtering system works just fine. The problem is that as a competitive game it only loses its very essence if they let these slide. Slippery slope that could get out of control if no reprehension shown.
The afk tanks are hacked accounts. It happened to me and I got banned from wargaming. When I sent a ticket and they gave my account back, this was their explanation.
I found a battle where over half of my and the enemy team was afk on EU3, glacier, in my t54 mod-1. It was at like 5am but I didnt farm it I died to a t-103 defending them all.
Cheaters is main reason why I no longer play WOT. RNG can be frustrating enough but if you add all the cheaters on top it, it's simply too much especially that Wargaming is ignoring the issue for years. Great video QB!
Remember when WG punished people for rigging to get the T-22? I wonder if they stopped doing that because their population is much lower now and they just want to keep people in the game.
Because of your videos about this situation now everyone knows, that it is possible to farm afk tanks in eu4, 2-4am utc+2 on weekends without hosting bots. After noticing which tanks are being farmed, pick correct one to be let in 40 player queue and rig marks, campaigns. Im still amazed WG is not banning obvious bots.
This is interesting because a ton were removed from NAs standings as I understand it. I went from I believe 2000 or 1965 ish up to 1657 from players being removed
So much of RESPECT to you Sir for raising this issue! Bravo! This Game does not need ..Cheating methods and Cheaters should be abolished as well! What's the point.. for someone to Win a battle or a reward.. by Cheating others and their own self skills (if those skills ever exist of course)? Oh, Look Who I am.. I am the Best of All! (yeah, with cheating methods.. everybody can be best!)
I get reported on the regular for not driving into the middle of a field that a random TD is pinging me constantly to do. Almost every match I see someone in chat that someone is reporting someone as a bot for not playing the way they feel they should. With all these crybabies putting in tickets for bogus complaints, how can anyone expect a team of people to decipher the legitimate complaints of cheating vs the crybabies?
Yup. A few weeks ago, I shot a tank twice ammo racking it both times. The player sent me a message calling me a hacker, and he reported me for cheating.
@@crevette_faroucheif you don't have a system that can detect player with thousands of games having 0 dmg, just not doing nothing and getting farmed then you are part of the cheating yourself.
One thing I know for certain, I just left my clan during the event because account shareing/boosting people was using my clan to keep the games they played at lower ends. Almost all or most the team was either only in can for event or shared accounts of people playing in the 2nd team. I hate cheats
@@scoutboy776 you're right. I play on EU, where you cant say cheating is frequent because it isn't. This guy is probably just one of those people who suck and when they die in game blames the other player for cheating rather than accepting theyre trash
There are tons of sites where you pay someone to grind for you. I guess they have multiple stolen accounts (there is also a market for that) and either multiple pc's or people who join at the same time. Hm, and maybe if they do not get paid they post the replays in order to get the customer banned. Even though it would mean that the payment system they use can be exploited in this way. And people in the comments say WG doesn't even ban the accounts. So it must be other reason for why they post the replays.
I also spotted this specific player (and their unbelievable games) 2-3 days ago on the table showing the best games of the previous day on tomatogg. The first thing I thought was 'WG needs to see this, what's happening with this specific player is embarrassing.' How is it possible that this player hasn't already been permanently banned from the game? On the other hand, I wonder WHERE THE HELL DO THEY FIND SO MANY INACTIVE ACCOUNTS (almost 20 in the controversial games) to 'set up' such games?
Considering that some use Delay Pedals where you can warp on demand with the push of a foot. It's totally invisible to hardware checkers. So... Online you will have cheaters.
He's probably a Wartgaming employee looking for this kind of activity, while his side hustle is working for the sites that you can pay to get missions & stats completed.
I had a game where most of the teams didn't fire a single shell, everyone was platooned and in clans, (same on each side but mixed) It was a tier 8 game.. i got 6 kills and 7k demage, tm8 rammed me out infront of the one guy on the other team who fired and i picked him appart during fight with team, then when he died everyone started playing normal.. (played tvp100) I felt sick and cheatef after that.
I had a number of games recently where I've been curb stomped, nothing new for me, but in them I was being blind fired while undetected and not even hiding in a bush. Not just once or twice but deliberately until destroyed and nobody was near me and no enemy light tanks, like an ELC, was camping close by. I watched at least 7 other tanks killed this way by the same two players. reported it to WG but I saw the same two players on my team the next day where they did it again to the other side. Again, reported it, but doubt anything came of it.
Even I can come up with 5+ methods to stop cheaters - damage vs AFK tanks that didn't move is subtracted at the end - if more than 5 AFK players in a battle it is interrupted - if a player is AFK in a battle he cannot queue for battles 15 minutes, if reaccurs the time increases significantly. (3 hours, 1 day, even 1 week if AFk regularly abandoning games) and many many more, all of these methods takes less a day to code.
My clan(TBW) initially qualified for the M60 in the first CW event. Unfortunately when WG changed how the points were allocated(something to do with making players in a clan who hadn't participated suddenly eligible) my clan lost out. Then one week before the next CW event started almost everyone in TBW bailed to higher ranked clans to have a better chance to get tanks. Not one of those guys ever communicated with those of us who stayed again.
Banned forever by their IP address, all their stats removed from the game. But it won't happen, WG does not want to stop it. Maybe Steel Aces will be a good game...
Most of the previous week I've had loss after loss. My team just camped at the back, kept getting hit without taken evasive actions, resulting in some not even causing any damage. They weren't bots and by the end of each game, their team had most of their players still in the game. I'm getting so frustrated that this continues to happen. As for Marks Of Excellence, it should be individual player based, not grouped. I'm an average player but new players just won't even get one mark.
It should be incredibly easy to spot cheaters in WG - diligence, forensics, cheat triggers etc. If people know that a consequence of cheating is losing EVERYTHING and there is a not small chance of being caught then they would be far less likely to do it.
WG doesn't give much sh*ts about cheats. One of their side income stream is a cheat engine, after all. Probably a good chunk of their income, considering they can charge whatever they want and people will pay.
I am still amazed by this is happening, my account was banned/locked for 5 years, eventhough I supplied every bank document and info releated I had, except from a former closed bank I couldn retrieve. Someone reported me for something unknown, never had I cheated anything. Why arent they banned for cheating like that I dont understand it!
Been going on for years. Asia server some nights its blatantly obvious, not every game, but enough that you know there's something going on. We have clans set up that are well known for it, Join, pay the money, and suddenly your stats get amazingly better. I don't know that any of them have been banned, I know their officers are still the same as they have been. Maybe they are smart enough to keep their main accounts out of it, but even so, if I know who they are, surely WG SHOULD know.
Quick I’m FAR from a consistently avid tanker/player. What have you. 😊 anyhow I never ever ever consider cheating because that makes it NOT FUN. Not rewarding. No sense of accomplishment whatsoever, and it’s wrong. There are (sadly) many who do not share my PoV. I’m glad you got this out in the open though, I watch your vids on how to improve and so far knowing the spotting mechanics and map memory seem to be my fatal flaws. I wind up over advancing and poking my nose out too far…… to inhale 4 shots simultaneously and get wrecked instantly.. OR, I wander into no mans land far from allies trying to find a good vantage point and wind up with the same result. Then I log on my scout and bush hop to spot for the team and do well. Anyhow thx for doing what ya do you hell many of us daily
No players were banned from top 2100 on NA server either. I submitted a Manoeuvers replay for illegal mod use in one particular instance and WG responded assuring me they are confident with the accuracy of their automated in-game detection systems. 🤔
There was obviously nothing done. He says it himself, none of the players who earned the free tank were penalized when there were obviously at least a couple blatant cheaters.
WG isn't doing anything from my perspective, in fact they make things worse for the community by focusing only what new premiums they release to wreck the game with. There are mods currently being used that allow one to spot the enemy team from the start (I've tested this theory and when you remain unspotted one tank or 2 will routinely direct hit you even if you've waited then relocated. Soon as you go to take a shot you are instantly hit by the same players(s) yet never spotted. I tested this in game by being in a weird location rather than the obvious ones. Soon as you try to do anything that same player hits you while remaining cloaked.
Without a pre-game login check to look for illegal modes, cheating will always be present. The only way to seriously combat cheating is to have NO mod's and "checksum" each player as they log in. I have played online games in the past, where this was the system used and cheating was not an issue. When you left the game, you were logged right out of the system, not like WoT where you can leave the game, then rejoin 2 to 3 hrs later without having to log back in. Also, if you were AFK for more than 30 to 40 min they game system AUTOMATICALLY logged you off. These games also had "In Game Moderators" who could "kick" players from the game if their play was suspect, and their account suspended whilst their game play was investigated. Wargaming could easily instigate these sorts of protocols into WoT, WoWS, and WoWP to stop cheating, the fact they have not/will not do so puts them under the umbrella of suspicion as to how much they are actually involved in the supply of the illegal mod' packs to enable cheating to take place.
I play CW on XB series X and cheating for marks is happening here. The Engesa EE-T1 Osório P2 was about 2 weeks old and there are 3 people with at least 2 marks.
...why would they stop if there aren't any consequences?
clearly a cheater why even give them the benefit of the doubt
Sad people with no life
They wont, no1 fkin cares from wargamin to actually do somethin
Wild theory: WG developers are part of the rigging bs
@@t1rnrnyuk I think his point is the punishment is meaningless or unenforceable, so there is no deterrent to cheating. If they can get away with it or just a slap on the wrist, why stop?
The last guy that QB exposed 3 months ago got 2 weeks ban and was back playing like nothing ever happened . Those cheaters should have their accounts deleted for good .
smart comment buddy i would like to ban people from my store and lose potential revenue from buying my product / service
@@scoutboy776 and what's stopping you?
don't you lose even more potential revenue from all others who just don't come due to these ones which you just refuse to get the fck out? :)
believe or not...dignity and the right attitude is a thing...even when profit is involved...
@@Splina. but that isnt the attitude that WG is taking is it?
@@scoutboy776 You should see the state of cheating in war thunder...
W.T.C.S -channel has good coverage of the state of cheaters.
Accounts get banned, and new accounts pop up with premiums to just cheat again till the next ban wave...
Banning the accounts doesn't remove the players, they just change their HWID, use a VPN and play on a new account and buy a premium using regional pricing. And that's in a game with server replays and an anti-cheat.
Yeah i got perma ban for swearing but they dont for cheating hmm
WG simply dont care about bots,riggers, etc. Send them report showcasing clear bot acount with over 150 games a day with 1 average dpg and the response was "stop sending us reports"
They don't even care about getting the perma griefers out of this game, why would they care about rigging
Sad part is they want to claim the griefers as “part of the active community” numbers so they can claim the game is not in decline. Otherwise they would be canned for lack of revenue and their position being made redundant.
Ohh, but i got banned 1 week for just saying "please kv2 unninstall the game" lol
@joaquinfo460 that's absolutely impossible
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I never insult anyone in the game or the chat more than the unninstall the game please.
And WGs indifference is why I quit WoT.
As long as the $ is rolling in WG will not do anything
Russian WG programmers do Orc things, they don’t really care unless it makes them poorer, it’s in their blood, just look at what their compatriots are doing in Ukraine. This game is rotten to the core, that’s why ppl leave the game, dumbass spotting, RNG and MM mechanics piss people off too.
Their complete lack of care for the balance of their game and the way they power creeped premium tanks drove me away. I LOVED the game but I miss the days when premiums were effectively 1/2 a tier below the tech tree tanks and premium ammo was not spammed in every single match completely nullifying heavy armor is a lot of situations. Rant over. Just makes me sad to think how much I used to enjoy the game.
@@odinswolf_766 I remember those days. I dont even care about the premiums so much, but the gold spam and terrible MMer finally killed it for me. The gold spam is annoying at best. The new MMer killed off any real platooning with friends and being at -2 95% of the time got old real quick and drove away the handful of people I played with.
@@odinswolf_766You see Yuri, you think game balance is when matches are fair and there are no broken tanks. WG thinks of game balance as how many broken tanks they can sell before player exodus makes it a loss trade.
There is absolutely no chance they accidentally stumbled across a bunch of inactive tanks. They were usually the first to get to the spawn, didn't deviate from going to the spawn, and even passed active enemies to go to the spawns. WG needs to check replays on blatant rig players like this and issue permanent bans rather than temp bans from auto-detection.
nothing has changed in 10 years
It got worse. Much, much worse....But not only cheating and griefing. Other than graphics, everything went downhill in this game.
As long as the $ is rolling in WG will not do anything
they ban much quicker
@@Mut4ntG4m3r That's not much of an accomplishment if cheaters swarm the game. If WG doesn't ban quick enough (which they don't), the NR. of cheaters increases.
@@Mut4ntG4m3r They never used to ban at all now at least they do however its still not strict enough IMHO
I'm not sure if you guys are aware but there is Full Business with full crews of people who are getting paid salaries and making a living out of it.... Its nothing new. Wargaming is aware of this and does nothing about it. In fact I dare to say WG lets the do that.
Why would they stop them? WG are greedy cunts, if ppl are willing to pay to be better it means more players will play the game which is good for wg.
Wouldnt surprise me if there's some under-the-table dealings where WG get a cut of the business 'fees', hence why they allow it
i know one of those people and they grind a second account for me, so if my account gets banned or whatever i have a second to fall back on
@@AlexaMG35 this was my best explanation for why WG left the Obj. 279 (e) and Chieftain in a broken OP state for so long.
They were getting a cut from those grinding services...
@@scoutboy776 hence I have rigged battles myself on the EU4 server (around 600+- with 5k average) and havent been banned since, I mean I do have morals but even myself I question how wg couldnt ban me or others but could ban innocent people before who got into games with riggers.
Well this explains the 40% WNR I had last night
I had 8% last night
@@jlangerrr6240 Jesus… how many games did you play?
@@rizzmo8451 1 win 12 lose
@@rizzmo8451 funny RUclips eat my reply, 1-12 win-lose
@@jlangerrr6240Ugh, mate, that is rough. Personally, if I drop under under 40 in the first 10 matches of a session, I accept that this is not the day for me to play and move on to do something else. It is just not worth it to bang my head against that wall
As a player who played thousands of battles in late night/early morning hours due to my working hours, this matchmaking is clearly rigged. This does not happen on any of the EU servers, even between 2-6am -_-
Of course there will be situations with one, two, even three afks in the middle of the night, but never majority of the team.
WG should just permaban every account that was involved in those games.
There are literally dozens of 3rd party boosting websites that provides rigging games like this so they can sell easy 3 marks, campaign missions and stuff.
I wouldn't be surprised if it was involving some sort of illegal mods to abuse the matchmaker to get so many botted accounts into one game with their "customer".
I don't understand one thing. This game is SO old, and WG still didn't figured out a system to simply check all 10k+ damage games that happen if they are legit or not, just by filtering them by movements of the tanks. Nowadays majority of 10k games happen during rigged games, because thats the easiest way to boost someone to 3rd mark quickly.
they simply dont care.
Imagine if Wargaming actually looked into this and banned the cheaters.
One can always dream...
The people rigging battles will just get more accounts and be right back at it. It's an entire industry with whole crews of people
The last guy qb exposed did get banned
70 percent players are cheaters so if they ban all no money for wg
they are, if reported, banned.
these bots are from wg... game would be dead by now if they didnt do it ;)
WG can stop cheating in World of Tanks but they don't want to. As I have explained earlier, I used to report a lot of bots, I sent replays to WG's customer support, I used the in-game reporting system and nothing happened. I reported 44% WR tomato driving Obj.279e with 46% WR and WG didn't see anything wrong with that. Sure, the most difficult missions can be done by someone with 44% average wins, although with the Obj.279e they couldn't even find the left mouse button to fire. WG does not care and anyone playing the game with these bots and cheaters is a fool.
Overall winrate can be pretty deceiving. I know players who are usually really good at the game, occasionally decide to jump into their T8 premium lights and just run them into the enemy all day to farm credits. Similarly, I've seen players with 3 marks of excellence, some 10k games on a tank, just stand in one spot and not do anything the entire game. Maybe they're just having a bad day.
While I agree tjat a 46% plaer in a obj279e looks strange it is not enough to prove his cheating. To blame WG for this is not fair.
@juanzulu1318 you are correct, this would require more investigation. I am pretty sure this guy used a service to get the tank so in his stats we would see sudden increase in damage and winrate until the missions were done.
@@juanzulu1318 Delulu
I have some epic games here and there. Usually it's luck. I get the right amount of stupid on my team to let me shine more and the right amount of stupid on the enemy team to make my pushes and aggression easier. What I really love is when someone decides to knock down trees, while I'm watching, and then try to scream at me about how I'm hacking. Had it happen the other day last week. Even told the guy to watch the replay himself because he refused to believe he knocked down trees, despite it happening. It amazes me how people still can't grasp the simple fact that when you knock down trees people can see it, and it doesn't have to be in the communication range either. You can see a good bit away outside of that too.
Any tips for where to blind shot those falling trees?
@@johnmorrison4224 Yeah. Look at areas known to have campers. Aim at the base of the tree, not exactly but a little higher to try and account for RNG on the shot. The second the tree goes down fire. Or fire in the general vicinity of where the tree(s) used to stand, again aiming near their base.
These are the videos that the game NEEDS and BRAVO for making them ….
this is shame of Wargaming, who did nothing against this kind of players - this isn't new - this battle rigging is happening from years ago.
Also this is against normal players as these rigged battles increase the MoE limits + if you are one of the player who want to play in fair and you find yousefl in these battles you are f:ck:d.
Expecting some open communication from Wargaming but they are silent.
Expecting to perma ban these accounts and delete server data from these - but nothing happens.
Good Job Wargaming!
WG doesn’t care about anything except making money. If a player spends hundreds of dollars a year on WoT, why would they ban the player. That player is a money maker for them.
THe chances of WG banning these accounts permanently is about the same chance of WG improving the unbalanced MM.
I play late nights on the N.A. server because thats where my account is and im living in the Philippines.....and I still SUCK LOL no clan or rewards tanks here......just 62 years old trying to have fun and not a sweaty player.
I’m leaving tomorrow for Manila to get married. How bad is the ping for the NA server? Have a great day
There aren't as many cheaters like this in the NA server.
@@Shack11 yes there are, they just go to South american servers cuz the amount of people there is lower, so its easier to rig battles, either for dpg, marks of excellemce, or campaign missions, they get it all done on nights at SA server
@ 230 to 240 sometimes higher but it’s stable bad but playable
@@franclsco1872 SA server seems to be nothing but WG generated bots for lack of real players. Ping is usually unplayable as well.
Someone should raise the issue with the Digital Services - European Commission and it like the vendor knows there is a problem with a game rigged and not doing something about it, thats a Fine waiting to Hit WG.
@@mossaddk ruzzian troll farms should be sanctioned
By the way, very good investigation, impressed :)
seems like WG only cares about the money these days so they dont bother with cheaters
Why are there 10 afk players in the first place wtf
All those players cheat and that's how they get their high statistics. It is certain that the regular player will find it increasingly difficult to improve if you get such cheaters in your game! I've been playing since 2018 and I can tell you that I see enough of what's going on in this goddamn shitty game!
They can get the sign in information from wot replay which is very corrupt. Then they can sign in with those stolen ID's and have them afk. This is not a small business it is an actual business of cheaters.
@@rycor9117 They get it form wot-replay?!?
ruzzian bot farms working overnight
@@jo-fe9mb YEs wot-replay is very corrupt. they can use hacked accounts
Thanks QB. It takes skill, knowledge, time, and passion of the game to hunt down and investigate these instances. Both videos I’ve seen end up exposing multiple accounts if not entire clans. WG may not invest the time you do to get this result but your public findings pressure them to action penalties. Love it
Remember the forums where corrupt moderators would give a ban if you claimed that there were cheaters and asked WG to do something about it?
Haven't been on there for 3+ years, but I do remember it being full of people chanting "it's not a failure but a feature of the game". Often times they were moderators. Granted there were a lot of moaners as well, but I think the first group contributed a lot more for the bad direction in which the game went.
the ones that shut down because WG didnt want to hire moderators for it, and went to the ses pool called discord. were people get banned for using brain power and having logical conversations
I remember the forums were full of ppl talking BS ... and they got banned for that. Not one person ever got banned because they found a cheater. In fact 99,9% of those players weren't even able to understand _basic_ game mechanics but yet claimed they found cheaters. Everything looks like cheats if you are a trash player.
The whole point of playing the game is to test yourself, that includes losing and accepting defeat and learning.
What does that have to do with cheating?
Do you like to accept rigged defeats or even rigged, unfair victories? That makes no sense.
@@fergoka he ist talking about the honest way of playing the game
@@Foolsgarden97 Playing honestly will not prevent you playing with/against cheaters and riggers. If that issue is not fixed by WG, we can't speak of honest play.
I feel like every time QB uses tomato gg I learn something new about it, that replay feature where you see the battle progress on the minimap is really neat
Strange when there are sometimes inexplicable blind shots.
Maybe you're just being way too obvious, or do you really think someone hacks the game you're in just to blind shoot you once?
I will occasionally blind shot likely locations and bushes. I've blind killed TDs before, no cheating necessary. You can see if your shot hit a tank by it disappearing instead of impacting the ground.
Back in the days, blind shooting was expensive and you had to manage your amount of ammo kind of... but we did it. Even with arty. To counter arti was (is still) fun.
I admit I blindshoot now much MUCH more often, there is a point in the game you don't care anymore about credits and ammo cost. Every (blind) shot not taken is possible less damage.
It is more common now to check positons with a left click and on top you know positions, so you expect there someone.
Ich schieße im jedem Gefecht blind, solange ich keine Feinde sehe. Das bringt mir fast jedes Mal mehr Schaden am ende der Runde.
Bushes often get blindshotted by better players, but there is a mod making blindshooting easy...
While I am having a 8% win rate night(my overall win rate is 55%), cheaters does enjoy the game differently.
Cool story bro
Just last week I caught a player cheating on one of the EU servers during the day. He was using an illegal mod which allowed him to see me and my team mates while we were unspotted. I checked the replay twice just to be sure that those were not lucky blind shots, and it became obvious that he did in fact cheat. I filed a ticket with my replay attached and the next day just received an automated response that told me not to worry as their filtering system works just fine.
The problem is that as a competitive game it only loses its very essence if they let these slide. Slippery slope that could get out of control if no reprehension shown.
The afk tanks are hacked accounts. It happened to me and I got banned from wargaming. When I sent a ticket and they gave my account back, this was their explanation.
I found a battle where over half of my and the enemy team was afk on EU3, glacier, in my t54 mod-1. It was at like 5am but I didnt farm it I died to a t-103 defending them all.
I frequently get pm in world of tanks with offers to boost My stats or get help with achiving stuff
Unfortunately This has been going on NA's - SA Server for years WG Sucks at banning people for Rigging
Cheaters is main reason why I no longer play WOT. RNG can be frustrating enough but if you add all the cheaters on top it, it's simply too much especially that Wargaming is ignoring the issue for years. Great video QB!
Thanks for shining a light into this darkness. Hopefully WG takes some action...
Remember when WG punished people for rigging to get the T-22?
I wonder if they stopped doing that because their population is much lower now and they just want to keep people in the game.
yep, exactly why, they need to keep the money coming in to keep the servers up
Players were banned but not removed from the leaderboard.
Because of your videos about this situation now everyone knows, that it is possible to farm afk tanks in eu4, 2-4am utc+2 on weekends without hosting bots. After noticing which tanks are being farmed, pick correct one to be let in 40 player queue and rig marks, campaigns. Im still amazed WG is not banning obvious bots.
in a little while only the rerollers the ''golden boys'' and the Bots will be playing by their own
Thanks for raising this matter QB. This has to be one of the first times now one was removed after a Campaign
This is interesting because a ton were removed from NAs standings as I understand it. I went from I believe 2000 or 1965 ish up to 1657 from players being removed
Now I know why I didnt get the first MoE on the Obj 452K on casual 100 games whereas Ive always gotten it in every other tank.
Wee Gee ain't gonna do a thing about this.
Makes me even more proud of marking some tanks fair and square, even without gold ammo. 🤘
So much of RESPECT to you Sir for raising this issue! Bravo! This Game does not need ..Cheating methods and Cheaters should be abolished as well! What's the point.. for someone to Win a battle or a reward.. by Cheating others and their own self skills (if those skills ever exist of course)? Oh, Look Who I am.. I am the Best of All! (yeah, with cheating methods.. everybody can be best!)
I get reported on the regular for not driving into the middle of a field that a random TD is pinging me constantly to do. Almost every match I see someone in chat that someone is reporting someone as a bot for not playing the way they feel they should. With all these crybabies putting in tickets for bogus complaints, how can anyone expect a team of people to decipher the legitimate complaints of cheating vs the crybabies?
That is what you have automatic detection systems for.
Right now QB is saygin "integrity" and "wargaming" in the same sentence, joke of the day.
I never get treatened to be reported. Why are you bad?
Yup. A few weeks ago, I shot a tank twice ammo racking it both times. The player sent me a message calling me a hacker, and he reported me for cheating.
Simple SQL query
@@crevette_faroucheif you don't have a system that can detect player with thousands of games having 0 dmg, just not doing nothing and getting farmed then you are part of the cheating yourself.
They headed straight for the enemy base to farm. No innocence here, they knew what they were doing
One thing I know for certain, I just left my clan during the event because account shareing/boosting people was using my clan to keep the games they played at lower ends. Almost all or most the team was either only in can for event or shared accounts of people playing in the 2nd team. I hate cheats
I stopped playing WoT years ago..my reaction to seeing this in my video list...quicky still makes WoT videos?!
Cheating has always been an issue in World of Tanks, you're just a good enough player to overcome it often enough as to not really need to notice it.
Lmao nah
bro doesnt play on NA, all the good players cheat anyways because the baddies cant do anything to stop it reguardless
@@scoutboy776 you're right. I play on EU, where you cant say cheating is frequent because it isn't. This guy is probably just one of those people who suck and when they die in game blames the other player for cheating rather than accepting theyre trash
I also wondered that no one was banned for manoever. In the past there were hundreds of bans
Looks like there were 6 people that probably each operated another 4 bot accounts and joined the games at the same time.
It’s very very worries for me as I spent more than 10 years on this game and now cheaters are getting rewards for cheating
For these reason I left the game in 2021 and haven't played a single game since.
There are tons of sites where you pay someone to grind for you. I guess they have multiple stolen accounts (there is also a market for that) and either multiple pc's or people who join at the same time.
Hm, and maybe if they do not get paid they post the replays in order to get the customer banned. Even though it would mean that the payment system they use can be exploited in this way. And people in the comments say WG doesn't even ban the accounts. So it must be other reason for why they post the replays.
I also spotted this specific player (and their unbelievable games) 2-3 days ago on the table showing the best games of the previous day on tomatogg. The first thing I thought was 'WG needs to see this, what's happening with this specific player is embarrassing.' How is it possible that this player hasn't already been permanently banned from the game? On the other hand, I wonder WHERE THE HELL DO THEY FIND SO MANY INACTIVE ACCOUNTS (almost 20 in the controversial games) to 'set up' such games?
Finally a video of yours I can agree with. Well done, hopefully WG actually sees this.
where is the Emotional Damage part 2 thumbnail?
Ive never seen multiple afk tanks sat on a base in 8 years of playing. Wtf
in other news... water is wet...
Considering that some use Delay Pedals where you can warp on demand with the push of a foot. It's totally invisible to hardware checkers. So... Online you will have cheaters.
He's probably a Wartgaming employee looking for this kind of activity, while his side hustle is working for the sites that you can pay to get missions & stats completed.
I had a game where most of the teams didn't fire a single shell, everyone was platooned and in clans, (same on each side but mixed)
It was a tier 8 game.. i got 6 kills and 7k demage, tm8 rammed me out infront of the one guy on the other team who fired and i picked him appart during fight with team, then when he died everyone started playing normal.. (played tvp100)
I felt sick and cheatef after that.
Speechles how this is your second video and they didn't take any actions yet, its not that they don't know about it
Yes and I had string of games in last 3 days where my service record went down for 12 points......
I had a number of games recently where I've been curb stomped, nothing new for me, but in them I was being blind fired while undetected and not even hiding in a bush. Not just once or twice but deliberately until destroyed and nobody was near me and no enemy light tanks, like an ELC, was camping close by. I watched at least 7 other tanks killed this way by the same two players. reported it to WG but I saw the same two players on my team the next day where they did it again to the other side. Again, reported it, but doubt anything came of it.
Even I can come up with 5+ methods to stop cheaters
- damage vs AFK tanks that didn't move is subtracted at the end
- if more than 5 AFK players in a battle it is interrupted
- if a player is AFK in a battle he cannot queue for battles 15 minutes, if reaccurs the time increases significantly. (3 hours, 1 day, even 1 week if AFk regularly abandoning games)
and many many more, all of these methods takes less a day to code.
My clan(TBW) initially qualified for the M60 in the first CW event. Unfortunately when WG changed how the points were allocated(something to do with making players in a clan who hadn't participated suddenly eligible) my clan lost out. Then one week before the next CW event started almost everyone in TBW bailed to higher ranked clans to have a better chance to get tanks. Not one of those guys ever communicated with those of us who stayed again.
i have never seen 10+ afk players in my 10 years of playing.
Banned forever by their IP address, all their stats removed from the game. But it won't happen, WG does not want to stop it. Maybe Steel Aces will be a good game...
if ip bans were to come out every one of these players would just turn on vpn and not be bothered just rig on one of the 20 accounts
@@lightning794 true, I guess they can't be stopped
They would just use a VPN and get more accounts
One of the reasons I quit this game 2 years ago after 10 years of playing it.
I never seen more than one tank afk in a game
Cheaters are the cancer of this game for all other players. Great research, analysis and conclusions as always QB
2:04 - Check the replay they actually cross the road of the 3 actives players on the ennemy side and nobody shooted as each other. That's COLLUSION !
Most of the previous week I've had loss after loss. My team just camped at the back, kept getting hit without taken evasive actions, resulting in some not even causing any damage. They weren't bots and by the end of each game, their team had most of their players still in the game. I'm getting so frustrated that this continues to happen. As for Marks Of Excellence, it should be individual player based, not grouped. I'm an average player but new players just won't even get one mark.
Thanks QB
It should be incredibly easy to spot cheaters in WG - diligence, forensics, cheat triggers etc. If people know that a consequence of cheating is losing EVERYTHING and there is a not small chance of being caught then they would be far less likely to do it.
I play often late at night, but I have never seen this.
Wargaming - wake up
WG doesn't give much sh*ts about cheats.
One of their side income stream is a cheat engine, after all. Probably a good chunk of their income, considering they can charge whatever they want and people will pay.
I have been running into cheaters running shooting mods again.
WG is in on it !
I am still amazed by this is happening, my account was banned/locked for 5 years, eventhough I supplied every bank document and info releated I had, except from a former closed bank I couldn retrieve. Someone reported me for something unknown, never had I cheated anything.
Why arent they banned for cheating like that I dont understand it!
Been going on for years. Asia server some nights its blatantly obvious, not every game, but enough that you know there's something going on.
We have clans set up that are well known for it, Join, pay the money, and suddenly your stats get amazingly better. I don't know that any of them have been banned, I know their officers are still the same as they have been. Maybe they are smart enough to keep their main accounts out of it, but even so, if I know who they are, surely WG SHOULD know.
Wargaming doesn’t care about players cheating like this, but when I call my teammates “noobs” once I get chat banned for a week… what the hell
Quick I’m FAR from a consistently avid tanker/player. What have you. 😊 anyhow I never ever ever consider cheating because that makes it NOT FUN. Not rewarding. No sense of accomplishment whatsoever, and it’s wrong. There are (sadly) many who do not share my PoV. I’m glad you got this out in the open though, I watch your vids on how to improve and so far knowing the spotting mechanics and map memory seem to be my fatal flaws. I wind up over advancing and poking my nose out too far…… to inhale 4 shots simultaneously and get wrecked instantly.. OR, I wander into no mans land far from allies trying to find a good vantage point and wind up with the same result. Then I log on my scout and bush hop to spot for the team and do well. Anyhow thx for doing what ya do you hell many of us daily
It's why you shouldn't take the game too seriously. If you change your life to win a pixel tank, you should check yourself.
No players were banned from top 2100 on NA server either. I submitted a Manoeuvers replay for illegal mod use in one particular instance and WG responded assuring me they are confident with the accuracy of their automated in-game detection systems. 🤔
Very nice to find the video's - Could you please find out if anything done by WG in these matters?
There was obviously nothing done. He says it himself, none of the players who earned the free tank were penalized when there were obviously at least a couple blatant cheaters.
Bravo Quicky, but I sincerely doubt that the hardened WG system will do anything. Maybe if we all report cheaters.
Cheating and oportunist mindset only demonstrates how small and petty those players are. Take care QB and have fun around, good hunting mate !
How would they know in 4 different games that most were afk?
hello QB in romania we have a word !! A fool is not foolish enough if he is not also arrogant !! like the upload of replays :)))
5:59 - Oh........ a "whole group of riggers."
WG isn't doing anything from my perspective, in fact they make things worse for the community by focusing only what new premiums they release to wreck the game with.
There are mods currently being used that allow one to spot the enemy team from the start (I've tested this theory and when you remain unspotted one tank or 2 will routinely direct hit you even if you've waited then relocated. Soon as you go to take a shot you are instantly hit by the same players(s) yet never spotted. I tested this in game by being in a weird location rather than the obvious ones. Soon as you try to do anything that same player hits you while remaining cloaked.
I always dreamed about farming a whole AFK team 😂
Not spending a penny on this game seems like the best decision ever
I really hope you send all this information to WG. Maybe they wont do anything about it, but they should at least know what is happening in the game.
The rabbit hole goes even deeper than that.. There are some crooked WG employees from which you can buy anything from the game.
Without a pre-game login check to look for illegal modes, cheating will always be present.
The only way to seriously combat cheating is to have NO mod's and "checksum" each player as they log in.
I have played online games in the past, where this was the system used and cheating was not an issue. When you left the game, you were logged right out of the system, not like WoT where you can leave the game, then rejoin 2 to 3 hrs later without having to log back in. Also, if you were AFK for more than 30 to 40 min they game system AUTOMATICALLY logged you off.
These games also had "In Game Moderators" who could "kick" players from the game if their play was suspect, and their account suspended whilst their game play was investigated.
Wargaming could easily instigate these sorts of protocols into WoT, WoWS, and WoWP to stop cheating, the fact they have not/will not do so puts them under the umbrella of suspicion as to how much they are actually involved in the supply of the illegal mod' packs to enable cheating to take place.
We should promote the idea of stop spending any money here.
I play CW on XB series X and cheating for marks is happening here. The Engesa EE-T1 Osório P2 was about 2 weeks old and there are 3 people with at least 2 marks.
His nickname means “return my panties” 😂