11:57 plus: "narcissistic abuse" is an ableist term used to stigmatise NPD. I have been abused by autistic people in my life, but that isn't "autistic abuse". It was just "abuse". I've been abused by people that Idfk the workings of their brains, and that was just "abuse" too. The only time it's necessary to add a descriptor is to say if the abuse was of an emotional, physical, or other nature, but that's only if the victim is comfortable saying so! Off topic, but my clingy ragdoll cat got mad at me for moving my arm to type this, so he told me off with a little meow, bite, and sat on my arm 😭
This will be a lengthy comment but I'm glad you decided to cover Sav's absolute mess of a video on Carno defending himself. Admittedly, there's a lot of criticisms I have against the latter's video too, which I'm planning to make a more thorough video covering both sides myself. Simply put, Sav really did terribly at trying to cover/debunk Carno's points, especially the most serious ones like the grooming allegations. Reviewing the situation myself, while I do think those claims can be made against Carno given the RPs he had with this Noah person were related to a kink he has with giants and crushing, the idea of him being predatory really falls flat. Not just because of his lack of knowledge on Noah's actual age, but also the scenario in question not exactly being explicit. From what is known, this was also just a one-time occurence, and it's unclear if this happened more than once. (UPDATE: OK, so there's actually a couple instances of this happening with other people. Granted I'm confident that each of these was when he was younger than this reported case on Noah). This doesn't defend Carno doing the RPs or drawing borderline kink art of their persona, who was a minor, but still. Carno may have done a bad job at defending himself and essentially blamed them for it in his video, but there's better ways to criticize this than attacking him. Sav along with so many others parroting these strong claims insist that Carno acted in a predatory way, rather than this being a huge mistake on his part. Failing to provide good evidence for these things when it's absolutely needed. On top of that, I hate how she's generalizing entire concepts like predation and RPs, along with resorting to same issue Carno had of deflecting others. The reason why people need to be careful about such heavy subjects is because you need to get your details right and prove them, especially when you're presenting them as facts and not allegations like Sav did. All the focus put on unrelated aspects like having a r_p_st OC "for shock value" and his use of ableist slurs kinda distracted from her main point. There's also her cocky attitude which genuinely angers me, especially because of how un-serious she seems about this sensitive topic. I think the worst example of her going off track was when bringing up the allegations towards Box (ThePackagedReviewer) and coolspeedyjosh. The claims of Josh flirting with some 13 year old lack evidence backing themselves up, not just from Sav. Box did look like a victim blamer admittedly by mentioning how the victim flirted first, but the lack of proof of Josh doing the same actions kinda negates that. Some guy named Mister Blocky ended up expressing the same on a rant against Box (which is now no longer public but I did respond to for my Blocky vs. The Boxies video, which Carno namedropped). Said video was briefly discussed by Sav in her response, and I really need to express how ignorant she was about it. What a great way to be included into this drama (not sure who I should blame since Carno brought up my video on Blocky first). Her main points against it were that I was biased and victim-blaming, claims she failed to elaborate on in the slightest. I had to ask her in the comments to try getting a more detailed explanation, and that turned out to be a mess too. One point she really got on me for was how I called out Blocky's use of ableist language, but didn't do the same for Box who also used to. Failing to realize that detail wouldn't be at all relevant to what I was talking about. Also despite saying to her that I don't stand by Box using those terms either, she basically tried dismissing that because of this bias she claims I have for him. Rather ironic that, but I digress. There's more details regarding this, but that's all I feel like mentioning here. Sorry if that kinda distracted from what your video covered as well, but I just wanted to express my experience with having to deal with Sav. I have suspicions she didn't actually watch my video properly given some of her claims contradict what I say in it (Like not mentioning Box's flaws despite criticizing him multiple times in that same video). It's rude to assume, but considering her history of blindly supporting slander out of you, she sounds like the kinda dramatuber who'd intentionally parrot misinformation out of spite. It's not like she has much of a moral highground anyway, if her threatening others like Carno wasn't proof of that. Overall, this was a decent response with some great points.
the people in their comments hyping them up and saying shit like “ooo you ate”… anyways ate I think, all I can recommend atp is just ignoring them. they’ve shown that they’re unwilling to learn or do better.
Sav has a platform that has been actively spreading misinformation and victimizing people with her slander. I don't think ignoring her is going to do anything I think it's going to build up an army of lunacy in her comment section that mindlessly attacks people she makes poor videos on
@@SophTheNeko if a target doesn’t want to do better, they’re not going to. I understand your perspective, and to a degree I can sort of agree, but if they’re not going to do better, they’re just not, and there’s not a lot of use at continuing to attempt to teach someone like that, ykwim?
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Jesus. I’d have more respect for these people if they were just honest about WHY they’d made the video: petty spite. If im calling out a predator the last thing I’m going to do is pull out things that have nothing to do with the situation to only make the party seem worse lol.
So Sav is saying how they are not doing any more drama videos but then they are making drama videos? They need to take a longer break off the Internet or move on to what they said they were going to use that channel for: a hobby channel for things they were interested in. I thought they were going to change at least a little bit with the Sav Rebranded video, (and I do mean a little bit because from what I heard in the video they still thought you were being ableist when it’s definitely not the case) but it seems now that they have not changed at all.
I deleted the original reply because that wasn’t as important, so I’m just gonna make a new reply: I feel like people online joke way too much about grooming, and usually not as a way of coping as they were not the victims of the particular groomers they joke about. (The groomer nae nae meme especially) I’m gonna make an entire video on this phenomenon, (as well as predator hunting after watching Mr Enter’s most recent video and because both these online phenomenons have the same effect: the victim is still in danger and is not being listened to, and the predator is still on the loose.) This whole thing really needs to be addressed because it is deeply upsetting how many people don’t actually care.
Sav made a recent video saying you were ableist to them!?! Sav didn't provide any examples of you being ableist to them but their a plenty of examples of Sav being ableist to you 😶😭😭.
@@trixxart777But Sav made another video 4 months ago still claiming mg was being ableist to them and they provide zero examples of said ableism in that video.
Why deos sav have their clips overlap like that? I cannot understand how they could rewatch the video (hopefully they rewatched the video while editing) and think it sounds good? You miss so much if what they're trying to say because it over laps with one another
wait. WHAT. CARNO DIDNT KNOW THE AGE OF THE MINOR?? ARE YOU SERIOUS? “if he knew the age of the minor, he’d probably still groom them anyway because this is what im saying most people do” DOES SAV FUCKING HEAR THEMSELF??? IF YOU ARE IN A RELATIONSHIP WITH A MINOR AND YOU DO NOT KNOW THEY ARE A MINOR, THE ADULT IS NOT AT FAULT
Hold it! No, it is entirely the adults fault. They need to be held accountable. They should have investigated how old the person they’re interacting with is! If they aren’t at fault, then who would be?
@Piercyplayz Lol Im pretty sure your comment Is Sarcastic But I didn’t realize It was sarcastic before I'd read halfway through- I thought You were actually a person meaning that, I think Ive seen a little too many hate comments, so this was a breath of fresh air!
How old is Sav they act like they are 12? (Oh boy Sav is gonna call me ableist for saying this because every insult towards Sav is apparently ableist 😂)
@@xxmushroom.girlxxI think they are 17 because they were 16 a year ago when you addressed their videos. That's insane and also genuinely concerning. 17 is close to adulthood.
Holy shit i didn't expect you to respond to this. To people who think Carno is a child predator, that's literally false and has already been debunked. I had contact with one of his mutuals, and they basically been debunked, like a year ago. Now, it's time to wait for Sav to start throwing straw man arguments
BRO AREN'T YOU A PREDATOR???? NOT ONLY DO I HAVE CONTACT WITH YOUR VICTIM AND HAVE MOUNTAINS OF EVIDENCE CONNECTING YOU BACK TO YOU AND YOUR OLD IDENTITIES. Get OUT
@@RainyxMoonLightx Imagine being a Sav fan girl is crazy like you literally keep spamming the same shit under people's repiles so shut yo dusty ass up simp
@tabithapritt6895 I don't see anyone in the comments mentioning it- do you have an account that called them out?? Sophis too old and in too inclusive of an environment to not know better but I don't think saying the n-word is unforgivable and hopefully she'll stop saying it.
@@tabithapritt6895 i don't remember there being accusations accusing me of using the n word. There were definitely accusations about me using the r slur in an Instagram comment section, which I did do. I am autistic and i choose to reclaim that slur lmao, not everyone agrees with that choice which is fine. But no i don't think there were accusations of me using the n slur, just the r slur.
21:57 IT WAS A 4-5YR AGE GAP ACTUALLY! so you're wrong. (I was the victim) Also the package community treated me horribly, this is a bad coverage of the situation. Also ew pro ship logic
I'm not excusing it but Sav provided very little context and acted very immature so it was kinda hard to know what was going on. I'm sorry about what happened to you. I hope things get better.
all of you sound like your 14 max please go outside, focus on school and stop caring about stupid internet drama. it's actually not good for your development. 😭
Rehab was supposed to be a fresh start 🐎🐎🐴🐴
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11:57 plus: "narcissistic abuse" is an ableist term used to stigmatise NPD. I have been abused by autistic people in my life, but that isn't "autistic abuse". It was just "abuse". I've been abused by people that Idfk the workings of their brains, and that was just "abuse" too. The only time it's necessary to add a descriptor is to say if the abuse was of an emotional, physical, or other nature, but that's only if the victim is comfortable saying so!
Off topic, but my clingy ragdoll cat got mad at me for moving my arm to type this, so he told me off with a little meow, bite, and sat on my arm 😭
This will be a lengthy comment but I'm glad you decided to cover Sav's absolute mess of a video on Carno defending himself. Admittedly, there's a lot of criticisms I have against the latter's video too, which I'm planning to make a more thorough video covering both sides myself. Simply put, Sav really did terribly at trying to cover/debunk Carno's points, especially the most serious ones like the grooming allegations. Reviewing the situation myself, while I do think those claims can be made against Carno given the RPs he had with this Noah person were related to a kink he has with giants and crushing, the idea of him being predatory really falls flat. Not just because of his lack of knowledge on Noah's actual age, but also the scenario in question not exactly being explicit. From what is known, this was also just a one-time occurence, and it's unclear if this happened more than once. (UPDATE: OK, so there's actually a couple instances of this happening with other people. Granted I'm confident that each of these was when he was younger than this reported case on Noah). This doesn't defend Carno doing the RPs or drawing borderline kink art of their persona, who was a minor, but still. Carno may have done a bad job at defending himself and essentially blamed them for it in his video, but there's better ways to criticize this than attacking him.
Sav along with so many others parroting these strong claims insist that Carno acted in a predatory way, rather than this being a huge mistake on his part. Failing to provide good evidence for these things when it's absolutely needed. On top of that, I hate how she's generalizing entire concepts like predation and RPs, along with resorting to same issue Carno had of deflecting others. The reason why people need to be careful about such heavy subjects is because you need to get your details right and prove them, especially when you're presenting them as facts and not allegations like Sav did. All the focus put on unrelated aspects like having a r_p_st OC "for shock value" and his use of ableist slurs kinda distracted from her main point. There's also her cocky attitude which genuinely angers me, especially because of how un-serious she seems about this sensitive topic.
I think the worst example of her going off track was when bringing up the allegations towards Box (ThePackagedReviewer) and coolspeedyjosh. The claims of Josh flirting with some 13 year old lack evidence backing themselves up, not just from Sav. Box did look like a victim blamer admittedly by mentioning how the victim flirted first, but the lack of proof of Josh doing the same actions kinda negates that. Some guy named Mister Blocky ended up expressing the same on a rant against Box (which is now no longer public but I did respond to for my Blocky vs. The Boxies video, which Carno namedropped). Said video was briefly discussed by Sav in her response, and I really need to express how ignorant she was about it. What a great way to be included into this drama (not sure who I should blame since Carno brought up my video on Blocky first).
Her main points against it were that I was biased and victim-blaming, claims she failed to elaborate on in the slightest. I had to ask her in the comments to try getting a more detailed explanation, and that turned out to be a mess too. One point she really got on me for was how I called out Blocky's use of ableist language, but didn't do the same for Box who also used to. Failing to realize that detail wouldn't be at all relevant to what I was talking about. Also despite saying to her that I don't stand by Box using those terms either, she basically tried dismissing that because of this bias she claims I have for him. Rather ironic that, but I digress. There's more details regarding this, but that's all I feel like mentioning here.
Sorry if that kinda distracted from what your video covered as well, but I just wanted to express my experience with having to deal with Sav. I have suspicions she didn't actually watch my video properly given some of her claims contradict what I say in it (Like not mentioning Box's flaws despite criticizing him multiple times in that same video). It's rude to assume, but considering her history of blindly supporting slander out of you, she sounds like the kinda dramatuber who'd intentionally parrot misinformation out of spite. It's not like she has much of a moral highground anyway, if her threatening others like Carno wasn't proof of that. Overall, this was a decent response with some great points.
Sav should quit commentary atp im not even joking 🗿
She was going to dunno why she started again personally I think she should focus on her art because her art is pretty good
you sav didn't do anything to you. right?
@@RainyxMoonLightx No? Why? 🤨
the people in their comments hyping them up and saying shit like “ooo you ate”…
anyways ate I think, all I can recommend atp is just ignoring them. they’ve shown that they’re unwilling to learn or do better.
Sav has a platform that has been actively spreading misinformation and victimizing people with her slander. I don't think ignoring her is going to do anything I think it's going to build up an army of lunacy in her comment section that mindlessly attacks people she makes poor videos on
@@SophTheNeko if a target doesn’t want to do better, they’re not going to. I understand your perspective, and to a degree I can sort of agree, but if they’re not going to do better, they’re just not, and there’s not a lot of use at continuing to attempt to teach someone like that, ykwim?
My name is also Sav and this video shocked me.
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Throwing my blankets off of my body, time to watch this on the big screen!!!
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Jesus. I’d have more respect for these people if they were just honest about WHY they’d made the video: petty spite. If im calling out a predator the last thing I’m going to do is pull out things that have nothing to do with the situation to only make the party seem worse lol.
Another round of Sav being so close minded
Ah my favorite 🍿
you know sav didn't do anything to you
@@RainyxMoonLightx
And?
Sav actually proving accusations with good evidence challenge% (impossible)
So Sav is saying how they are not doing any more drama videos but then they are making drama videos?
They need to take a longer break off the Internet or move on to what they said they were going to use that channel for: a hobby channel for things they were interested in.
I thought they were going to change at least a little bit with the Sav Rebranded video, (and I do mean a little bit because from what I heard in the video they still thought you were being ableist when it’s definitely not the case) but it seems now that they have not changed at all.
I deleted the original reply because that wasn’t as important, so I’m just gonna make a new reply:
I feel like people online joke way too much about grooming, and usually not as a way of coping as they were not the victims of the particular groomers they joke about. (The groomer nae nae meme especially)
I’m gonna make an entire video on this phenomenon, (as well as predator hunting after watching Mr Enter’s most recent video and because both these online phenomenons have the same effect: the victim is still in danger and is not being listened to, and the predator is still on the loose.)
This whole thing really needs to be addressed because it is deeply upsetting how many people don’t actually care.
Why are all the comments here so nice, compared to the proshipping one
NEW MG VIDEO LETS GOOO !!!
Sav made a recent video saying you were ableist to them!?! Sav didn't provide any examples of you being ableist to them but their a plenty of examples of Sav being ableist to you 😶😭😭.
I think mg made a video with Creeper and ephrome wich addressed the ablesist claims also in her old video
@@trixxart777But Sav made another video 4 months ago still claiming mg was being ableist to them and they provide zero examples of said ableism in that video.
That was the Sav Rebranded video which I saw and even put a clip of it in this video during the final thoughts !!
@@xxmushroom.girlxxYep that clip. Her victim complex is scary lol.
That’s just friendly fire what💀
PFTT I REMEMBER THE SERVER LOSING IT OVER SAV'S VIDEO LIKE WTF???
Why the fuck she talking about💀 i know what it's like to deal with someone with narc tendancies, so tf she doing diagnosing peeps?
No not sav not sav
Sav didn't do anything to you
@@RainyxMoonLightx *SAV MEATRIDER SAV MEATRIDER*
@@Junebugarts .........
mg please stop cooking im burning
Telling me to have a good day after watching parts of a Sav video where it all makes zero sense is wild
Why deos sav have their clips overlap like that? I cannot understand how they could rewatch the video (hopefully they rewatched the video while editing) and think it sounds good? You miss so much if what they're trying to say because it over laps with one another
EXACTLY ITS SO ANNOYING I HATE THE OVERLAPPING AUDIO
Wow... I don't know too much about this SAV person, but..she sucks.
Also how Carno handle this whole situation was stupid
GUYS WAKE UP MUSHROOM GIRL MADE A NEW VIDEO!
Sav is making me lose brain cells I swear to God
wait. WHAT.
CARNO DIDNT KNOW THE AGE OF THE MINOR?? ARE YOU SERIOUS? “if he knew the age of the minor, he’d probably still groom them anyway because this is what im saying most people do” DOES SAV FUCKING HEAR THEMSELF??? IF YOU ARE IN A RELATIONSHIP WITH A MINOR AND YOU DO NOT KNOW THEY ARE A MINOR, THE ADULT IS NOT AT FAULT
Hold it! No, it is entirely the adults fault. They need to be held accountable. They should have investigated how old the person they’re interacting with is! If they aren’t at fault, then who would be?
@Piercyplayz Lol Im pretty sure your comment Is Sarcastic But I didn’t realize It was sarcastic before I'd read halfway through- I thought You were actually a person meaning that, I think Ive seen a little too many hate comments, so this was a breath of fresh air!
Sav is at it again 😭
you know sav didn't do anything to you
NEW MUSHROOM GIRL VID!!!⭐️
mg, your really fuckign cool and i only found you vids last year, your awesome!!
How old is Sav they act like they are 12? (Oh boy Sav is gonna call me ableist for saying this because every insult towards Sav is apparently ableist 😂)
I believe they’re around 16-17
@@xxmushroom.girlxxI think they are 17 because they were 16 a year ago when you addressed their videos. That's insane and also genuinely concerning. 17 is close to adulthood.
you know sav didn't do anything to you
@@RainyxMoonLightxthat doesn’t make her immune to criticism what’s your point?
So that means people can't make fun of them or their content? That's.. not how that works. @@RainyxMoonLightx
sav again….. this should be fun
don’t understand sav tbh
YES EARLY ONCE AGAIN(sav is like a excited toddler on crack😭/j)
Ohh mushroom girl, I found your picrew 🤩🤩🤩
What's the name👅👅👅
based 🔥
16:46 - 16:54 case and point Quagmire from Family Guy.
only can sav have a commentary made about them and have a content warning about grooming, pedophilia, lolicon, sexual topics, and ableist slurs
Sav… here we go again
you know sav didn't do anything to you
@@RainyxMoonLightx you know you don’t have to spam
@@RainyxMoonLightx and actually, I criticized her during the mushroom girl drama and she threw a hissy fit and just resulted to use insults.
Holy shit i didn't expect you to respond to this.
To people who think Carno is a child predator, that's literally false and has already been debunked. I had contact with one of his mutuals, and they basically been debunked, like a year ago.
Now, it's time to wait for Sav to start throwing straw man arguments
BRO AREN'T YOU A PREDATOR???? NOT ONLY DO I HAVE CONTACT WITH YOUR VICTIM AND HAVE MOUNTAINS OF EVIDENCE CONNECTING YOU BACK TO YOU AND YOUR OLD IDENTITIES. Get OUT
@@DeadByGrimelight whaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa?
@@Therizzyrizzler-y4z they're a minor with a tickling fetish and rps with grown ass adults while llying about their age.
hi mg
Oh god she’s back?💀
I'm going insane she's back at it
you know sav didn't do anything
@@RainyxMoonLightx *then why is there a video? Hm?*
Bs
@@RainyxMoonLightx Sav Meat rider
Wowzers
YAHOO!
Do you have her speed up or is it like that in the original video
I sped her up to get through her yapping quicker
@@xxmushroom.girlxx okay does kinda make it hard to understand sometimes but I understand wanting to show the context
@@xxmushroom.girlxx you know sav didn't do anything to you
@@RainyxMoonLightx she did a lot to me actually. That’s what my “Sav: the movie” video was about.
@@RainyxMoonLightx
Imagine being a Sav fan girl is crazy like you literally keep spamming the same shit under people's repiles so shut yo dusty ass up simp
28:22 - 28:27 hello guys welcome back to another epic gaming video it's me the ephrommentator
So true!!
Ur so real
Not related to the topic but, could you please explain to me the Sophneko drama going on recently MG (That is if you know about it).
What drama? Could u send a link about it? I'm pretty sure mg was friends with them
@scenefangs There are people saying she said the n word on Instagram, but I don't know it if that's true or not.
@tabithapritt6895 I don't see anyone in the comments mentioning it- do you have an account that called them out?? Sophis too old and in too inclusive of an environment to not know better but I don't think saying the n-word is unforgivable and hopefully she'll stop saying it.
@@tabithapritt6895 i don't remember there being accusations accusing me of using the n word. There were definitely accusations about me using the r slur in an Instagram comment section, which I did do. I am autistic and i choose to reclaim that slur lmao, not everyone agrees with that choice which is fine. But no i don't think there were accusations of me using the n slur, just the r slur.
@@SophTheNeko Thanks for clarifying, I was worried.
MG IT'S ABI
woah hi Abi
hi abi!! its Orion/Rodent
It's me uhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh Shrimp (idk if you'll recognize it but like yeab its me Shrimp here)
@@ValkyriePawzz143 ommggggg heyyy
24:50
I am about to animate this, but with some of my characters later!! :p
this person again?!
Ahh shit here we go again/ref
sav should quit, for their and others mental health. Maybe lets not make jokes in a serious video. :/
Wowa
Damn I just remembered that u existed, how has ur art not changed at all in like 3 years 😭
It has changed, and it’s still changing! My art from a year ago is waaaay worse than my art now
@@xxmushroom.girlxx Art styles don't HAVE to change, I love your art, it's very pog!!
It has changed tho?? Do you pay attention to anything?
why do you sound like that
Speech impediment
Don’t be rude lmfao
21:57 IT WAS A 4-5YR AGE GAP ACTUALLY! so you're wrong. (I was the victim) Also the package community treated me horribly, this is a bad coverage of the situation.
Also ew pro ship logic
I'm not excusing it but Sav provided very little context and acted very immature so it was kinda hard to know what was going on. I'm sorry about what happened to you. I hope things get better.
@@Tigress583I really feel like my part needed more research on their end. They should not get into drama they don't know anything about
@@DeadByGrimelight would you like to talk about this?
@@SophTheNekoYeah. But be careful there's a LOT of lore (disc: 4gwunks )
“Ew Proship logic” I’m literally profic, so I don’t know what else you were expecting.
all of you sound like your 14 max please go outside, focus on school and stop caring about stupid internet drama. it's actually not good for your development. 😭
1. I’m 16
2. Sav is 16 or 17
3. Carno is in his 20’s
4. False pedo accusations isnt “stupid internet drama”
5. It’s summer. There is no school.
@@xxmushroom.girlxx Correction, for no. 3 I turned 20 on April. Just to let ya know
@@CarnoProductions ohh alright
Sav always learns
You never learn
WHO THE HELL IS SAC??
@@1ndigotclawzz it’s a typo for sav
Don’t worry I will edit it
@@1ndigotclawzz there
I edited it
I’m not the one parroting pedophile allegations with lackluster evidence.
@@Wpoiyttvhfth
Sav did not learn a single thing 😭🙏??
bro seriously sav didn't do anything to you💀
Bruh how? Sav hasn't learn a thing get a grip bub 🤡
@@XxAzrael so?
You are a Sav meat rider lmao 💀💀
You interest and fasinate me
Your commentary aesthetic is intriguing to my chaotic scenecore. I wish to collab with you on a commentary video