Slayer isnt proccing on his A2, his A2 is coded as single target, so the high damage youre seeing is 10% of initial hit * 250% from the decapitaton, so youre hitting 1,800,000 damage to a hydra head, 10% of that damage (180,000) goes to another head that is decipated (180,000×2.5)= 450,000 damage, that's what youre seeing. If slayer was proccing you'd see the damage replicated. The easier way to know it's not working, is your turn meter doesn't get boosted when you use the A2, but is when you use the A3.
Slayer is not a good recommendation on Thor. His biggest damage ability isn't coded as AOE. Slayer on Thor would be like a very last resort if you have zero other ignore defense gear to use.
Despite the fact that Thor's A2 is not working with Slayer, the severals first feedback on Thor + Slayer is that He is performing way better in Slayer than in Merciless on Hydra. Need to wait for better build comparison to see.
@@enig91maybe if youre comparing 9 piece slayer vs 6 piece merciless. Otherwise i have a hard time believing that would be the case in 9 piece vs 9 piece
@@zachhaist6426yah he is killing in 9 piece slayer for me and my speed is at 278 on him currently 5k attack and 220 crit. I don’t have merciless for him so i personal think his a3 in arena is just murdering people in one hit. I use him and arbiter on defense and I’ve won defense battles against mythical teams and teams ranging from 200k to 500k. It’s amazing!!!
his best set is Merciless and it's more achievable than Slayer. really wrong advice here. 1. his a2 is not considered aoe 2. merciless decreases the skills cd + chance for extra turn resulting in more hits on targets, granting more passive procs.
I agree - most of these content creators give advice based on their whale accounts, hence terrible advice for the majority of the player base. maybe 100 people in the world have stats like this in this very specific set. They'd first need to have been accumulating these end game stats in a forge pass artifact set. Thus, making all this data irrelevant to (my guess) 99% of the people watching this for advice. And, as others have already pointed out, this is not even the ideal set for this champ. Savage/merciless would have been a much better test set, though it would have all been godly stats, so still kind of ridiculous. I wonder if all content creators just need to keep a moderate artifact set of all major test sets, so they can slap that gear on them when they're recording a video. Otherwise, it just looks like an "account/gear flex" more than a champion showcase.
Only 6 months in so i don't have any of the 9pc sets decently statted, so I put thor in savage. Even without masteries maxed out yet, he's my biggest nuker now, and wearing some really nice c dmg gear. If i can get that 4 star soul and arena bonus maxed, it'll be the first time I'm past 220% c dmg on anyone, skyrocketing up to 293%. I'm happy with this fusion.
@@freeeggs3811 4500 rn. just reran hh opti and it just trades 20% ehp for 300 more atk and no drop in c dmg, so it should be about the best i can do rn, although i'll bear in mind the balance between too much of one than the other in the future as well
I don't understand recommending a set without knowing if you can get the biggest benefit with the skill coded as single target. It feels more like you just used leftover gear, which is fine if you had simply said it.
Have Thor and Bolint. Had a 4 team man with Bolint, 2 faction allies and Thor. Bolint providing extra damage (+15%) to allies with multi-hitters and Thor with A2 that increases damage by +25% per hit and it gets nuts. Add in Bolint's A3 AOE stun and passive that adds a chance to stun (10%) on every ally hit with Thor's AOE stun on passive and the enemy are just standing around a lot. Add a 3rd Skinwalker for dungeons and everyone is doing +30% damage to targets under stun. Great for all those waves. Maybe not optimal in any way but, definitely fun and easy.
I thought about slayer initially.. but, with a2 likely not working like aoe, I went with merciles BTW watching on .25x speed to look for slayer procs is disturbing
Hi scratch Slayer doesnt proc on his A2. It is because of hex that you seen several number under the heads when you hit. Thank you for the video. Keep going
I personally don't like slayer on him. I built mine in a 6 piece merciless, and he did over 700 mill. His a1 smacks hard, and is worth getting the ignore defense. I also ignored accuracy on my build and opted for heavencast instead.
@scratch try him in equivalent merciless mate its far more friendly across all content as it can be used in arena etc and far suits the fulminous ricochet skill due to the multipliers of the other two skills
This stuff aside. I agree with Merciless for now. But in a siege battle, Thor one shot the enemy team with the A2. Not weird except the enemy UDK was a sheep at the time. How did that happen?
A2 is not working, there is no boost turn meter when using that skill. Without that also the duplicate damage is not working. Best way to test is alone in DT, not in hydra with hex applied
Hi! There is a nice bug on hidra Thor a2 or A3 can kill my krisk too!!!🤷🤷 All heads are down no any debuff on my team no pain link, reflect dmg nothig just some buffs on my team. Thor smash and full HP Krisk is die too! Its happened 2. time on hidra hard. 🙆🙆🙆
Merciless 6 peice set....I ran through Doom Tower hard waves like a knife through butter. (That repeat attack on the A1 is not working). Arena: Thor with Arbiter and Lydia is blasting champions away. Death Knight who? Force affinity what?
Merciles > Slayer> Savage Ignore difence is Multiplicative and not Additive. You allready have defence down on hydra. Its not possible to get 100% ignore defence in game anyway. Slayer gives stats, bosst turn and more damage from a3+passive. Dont play a2 hit per screenshot logic. Play smart with dps
Try Thor with Teox if you wanna see Thor shine... and that set is not the best in my opinion since i got better dmg with pure dmg gear and higher stats.
All of stats lower but he is in OP sett Slayer ... And last time when i see comparing him with Varl who have wrong blessing Crushing rend he get 30% ignore deff on a3 where 70% dmg come from. But let me ask you one question you putting 60% dec deff on all heads +20% hidra bonusz ignore deff and savage or Mercyless sett 25-35% ... 105% why the hell u putting helmsasher on pve nukers ? u can ignore even more defense than 100% ?
I can bet you have better gear then bronco, his made 700m on his own don't remember if he showed build, obliterated even Teox, Teox is no slouch so wondering what was the difference
Slayer is pretty bad on him, it only works on A3/passive, A2 is 4 successive single target hits that happens at the same time, so you're losing a ton of damage on that, and on the a1 with an ally attack in team. 9p Merc is optimal, for ignore defense on everything, cdr for his two smacks, and chance at extra turn, which are high value due to raw damage and passive. I'd probably suggest taking this video down and redoing it so you don't bait players into an unfortunately pretty suboptimal build, even savage would do a ton better. Sorry brother, your content is usually top notch, but you messed up here.
Slayer isnt proccing on his A2, his A2 is coded as single target, so the high damage youre seeing is 10% of initial hit * 250% from the decapitaton, so youre hitting 1,800,000 damage to a hydra head, 10% of that damage (180,000) goes to another head that is decipated (180,000×2.5)= 450,000 damage, that's what youre seeing.
If slayer was proccing you'd see the damage replicated.
The easier way to know it's not working, is your turn meter doesn't get boosted when you use the A2, but is when you use the A3.
Thor has 2 AOE skills. He’s gonna make good use of slayer
He has an aoe passive and the a3 the a2 doesn't count
Thank you for this
It is easy to check, look at A2 if is AoE you will see increase turn meter, if not will not do extra damage
Slayer is not a good recommendation on Thor. His biggest damage ability isn't coded as AOE. Slayer on Thor would be like a very last resort if you have zero other ignore defense gear to use.
Players are doing tests and he's doing more dmg to hydra in slayer vs merciless
Despite the fact that Thor's A2 is not working with Slayer, the severals first feedback on Thor + Slayer is that He is performing way better in Slayer than in Merciless on Hydra. Need to wait for better build comparison to see.
@@enig91maybe if youre comparing 9 piece slayer vs 6 piece merciless. Otherwise i have a hard time believing that would be the case in 9 piece vs 9 piece
@@zachhaist6426yah he is killing in 9 piece slayer for me and my speed is at 278 on him currently 5k attack and 220 crit. I don’t have merciless for him so i personal think his a3 in arena is just murdering people in one hit. I use him and arbiter on defense and I’ve won defense battles against mythical teams and teams ranging from 200k to 500k. It’s amazing!!!
this, Saph ALREADY confirmed this a while ago
stopped watching there
his best set is Merciless and it's more achievable than Slayer. really wrong advice here.
1. his a2 is not considered aoe
2. merciless decreases the skills cd + chance for extra turn resulting in more hits on targets, granting more passive procs.
I agree - most of these content creators give advice based on their whale accounts, hence terrible advice for the majority of the player base. maybe 100 people in the world have stats like this in this very specific set. They'd first need to have been accumulating these end game stats in a forge pass artifact set. Thus, making all this data irrelevant to (my guess) 99% of the people watching this for advice. And, as others have already pointed out, this is not even the ideal set for this champ. Savage/merciless would have been a much better test set, though it would have all been godly stats, so still kind of ridiculous. I wonder if all content creators just need to keep a moderate artifact set of all major test sets, so they can slap that gear on them when they're recording a video. Otherwise, it just looks like an "account/gear flex" more than a champion showcase.
Only 6 months in so i don't have any of the 9pc sets decently statted, so I put thor in savage. Even without masteries maxed out yet, he's my biggest nuker now, and wearing some really nice c dmg gear. If i can get that 4 star soul and arena bonus maxed, it'll be the first time I'm past 220% c dmg on anyone, skyrocketing up to 293%.
I'm happy with this fusion.
@@aquapuppy9838 how much ATK?
@@freeeggs3811 4500 once i get the soul. still will be rerunning opti to double check if more atk could change him up, esp with his self buff
@@freeeggs3811 4500 rn. just reran hh opti and it just trades 20% ehp for 300 more atk and no drop in c dmg, so it should be about the best i can do rn, although i'll bear in mind the balance between too much of one than the other in the future as well
it's deleting my replies, for some reason? at least, i can't see them.
4500 atk with 2 star, in case the other replies nvr went through.
@@aquapuppy9838 yeah yt does that it has a algorithm that deletes stuff for no reasons at all, ty for the reply though.
I put slayer on wallmaster. full 9 piece merc on Thor, better in my opinion
I don't understand recommending a set without knowing if you can get the biggest benefit with the skill coded as single target. It feels more like you just used leftover gear, which is fine if you had simply said it.
Have Thor and Bolint. Had a 4 team man with Bolint, 2 faction allies and Thor.
Bolint providing extra damage (+15%) to allies with multi-hitters and Thor with A2 that increases damage by +25% per hit and it gets nuts.
Add in Bolint's A3 AOE stun and passive that adds a chance to stun (10%) on every ally hit with Thor's AOE stun on passive and the enemy are just standing around a lot.
Add a 3rd Skinwalker for dungeons and everyone is doing +30% damage to targets under stun. Great for all those waves. Maybe not optimal in any way but, definitely fun and easy.
I thought about slayer initially.. but, with a2 likely not working like aoe, I went with merciles
BTW watching on .25x speed to look for slayer procs is disturbing
You should still try slayer. Thor has 2 AOE attacks but people don’t realize that.
@@arclite95Does his passive proc slayer? If it doesn't, he only has one aoe.
@@MrNarcus brother I’m not gonna answer that
Thor the worst* build
@@DrDarwick yeah like I have a better build then him somehow, 3k more ATK.
Hi scratch
Slayer doesnt proc on his A2. It is because of hex that you seen several number under the heads when you hit.
Thank you for the video.
Keep going
slayer did not proc on his a2 ... those numbers ar from hex the head without hex dindt get any extra damage
I personally don't like slayer on him. I built mine in a 6 piece merciless, and he did over 700 mill. His a1 smacks hard, and is worth getting the ignore defense. I also ignored accuracy on my build and opted for heavencast instead.
@scratch try him in equivalent merciless mate its far more friendly across all content as it can be used in arena etc and far suits the fulminous ricochet skill due to the multipliers of the other two skills
Merciless is amazing on Thor. That’s what I put him in and it’s better than my lethal gear for damage
The turn meter thing was so obvious. That said I wonder if the AoE passive with slayer out damages his A2 in a merciless-cruel-crushing rend build.
Yeah, I supposed to look at that was an easier way. Didn't thought about it.
Yeah this is bad info, do not listen
Would love to see a comparison with merciless.
slyer i not procing on his A2 at 12:49 , you have 2 hexes and 4 targets , so basically you got 4 numbers , A2 is "random" single target
hmmm, you might be right on it
@@SkratchPlays does this mean it might work with Bolint passive?
150k? Holy fk I'm more interested in what that Maulie is wearing more than the over-statted Thor.
This stuff aside. I agree with Merciless for now. But in a siege battle, Thor one shot the enemy team with the A2. Not weird except the enemy UDK was a sheep at the time. How did that happen?
A2 is not working, there is no boost turn meter when using that skill. Without that also the duplicate damage is not working. Best way to test is alone in DT, not in hydra with hex applied
I use letal-set and good. Slayer is not working vs intended and I dont want bugusing for me. Never, in no game I play, I use such defect things.
We need to see 9 piece Merciless vs 9 peice Slayer
His A2 isn’t AoE ( his strongest ability ) slayer is pretty bad on him
Yeah
Wrong. Slayer is good on him Thor has 2 AOE skills Incase you didn’t realize
@@arclite95his a2 is not aoe. It is same as Mshallad. It count as single hit
@@mentos.0 didn’t say it was.
I think you need to watch saphs vid on him arclite
Hi!
There is a nice bug on hidra Thor a2 or A3 can kill my krisk too!!!🤷🤷
All heads are down no any debuff on my team no pain link, reflect dmg nothig just some buffs on my team.
Thor smash and full HP Krisk is die too! Its happened 2. time on hidra hard. 🙆🙆🙆
Regardless of the A2 thing. Thor still has 2 AOE skills which is great
Merciless 6 peice set....I ran through Doom Tower hard waves like a knife through butter. (That repeat attack on the A1 is not working). Arena: Thor with Arbiter and Lydia is blasting champions away. Death Knight who? Force affinity what?
Slayer 9 piece is not completely fixed. Procc did like 70% instead of 100% in my hydra run today
Merciles > Slayer> Savage
Ignore difence is Multiplicative and not Additive.
You allready have defence down on hydra.
Its not possible to get 100% ignore defence in game anyway.
Slayer gives stats, bosst turn and more damage from a3+passive.
Dont play a2 hit per screenshot logic. Play smart with dps
Try Thor with Teox if you wanna see Thor shine... and that set is not the best in my opinion since i got better dmg with pure dmg gear and higher stats.
i don't agree with Slayer. Hos A2 is not an AOE so it doesn't benefit from it.
i use 6 piece merciless.
Curious why you didn't just use Quintus A2 to remove the reflect damage instead of waiting for it to wear out there by delaying using Thor's aoe's
What you saw at 12:14 is hex dmg, not slayer.
my understanding is that hex can proc Slayer set. so maybe not a valid test
All of stats lower but he is in OP sett Slayer ... And last time when i see comparing him with Varl who have wrong blessing Crushing rend he get 30% ignore deff on a3 where 70% dmg come from.
But let me ask you one question you putting 60% dec deff on all heads +20% hidra bonusz ignore deff and savage or Mercyless sett 25-35% ... 105% why the hell u putting helmsasher on pve nukers ? u can ignore even more defense than 100% ?
the blessing nature wrath the debuffs need to be active or it works even if i placed them and they expired
Once you place them and built it up the dmg stays
Unfortunately, my barbarian Slayer accessories are such complete and utter trash that it's not viable for me to use a 9 piece Slayer on my Thor=/
if you cant get every stat is acc the least important in slayer set?
@charleswable3339 acc in general, is the least important.
So glad I got Thor
I put him in 9 piece merciless and its not the greatest pieces and he was hitting really hard in dragon
I think, slayer is not good, because Thor only has 1 AOE attack.
Slayer? Realy? This set don't work for A2 (tested, confirmed)! Stupid idea!
I didn't see a single Slayer procc on the A2
Slayer doesn’t work with his a2
I can bet you have better gear then bronco, his made 700m on his own don't remember if he showed build, obliterated even Teox, Teox is no slouch so wondering what was the difference
BRO! nim mal Teox im Zusatzzug set mit und schau was Thor dann macht:D
saph told me the other day in his YT comments its still bugged lol
Slayer is pretty bad on him, it only works on A3/passive, A2 is 4 successive single target hits that happens at the same time, so you're losing a ton of damage on that, and on the a1 with an ally attack in team. 9p Merc is optimal, for ignore defense on everything, cdr for his two smacks, and chance at extra turn, which are high value due to raw damage and passive. I'd probably suggest taking this video down and redoing it so you don't bait players into an unfortunately pretty suboptimal build, even savage would do a ton better.
Sorry brother, your content is usually top notch, but you messed up here.
Did you try it vs merciless?
Does kill streak mastery work on Hydra heads?
@@ckeyshong nope
Does Lore of Steel boost the sets like slayer/merciless/SS
It does. If you have lore of steel; equipping a 1p slayer actually gives more than 5% (Shows 6%)
thx
Slayer is a bad option for thor.. merciless , savage , lethal is the way to go
I went with savage
6 piece mercyless
Do over aye? Lol. Slow down Skratch.