I blew a similar antenna up a few years ago running 200W on 6m into it. I still have it so should really try and repair it and replace the ceramic caps with coax caps - probably be good for a LOT more power than the rated 100W,
Before I was old enough to attend university for my engineering degree I learnt so much by dissecting bad electronics and figuring out why and how it worked. Now, 40 years later and after a career as an RF engineer those memories and experience continue to shape my professional and personal life. I remember scraping the coating off of the different styles of resistors and finding some that were just pure carbon, other that were glass rods that had a circular track grooved in to them with conductive powder in the grooves. Taking apart capacitors; Even breaking open tubes to look at the plate, anode, grid and filament structures. Invaluable to be able to do that and make sense out of how things really work.
I've heard capacitors get old and can become resistors. I really don't understand anything about that yet, but I'm interested in figuring it out. I like this type of video because it's very informative and that is how things are figured out by troubleshooting and experimenting and experience is everything. Great video. Thank you
That was excellent trouble shooting. Great hack making your own 6pF capacitor. You Brits are so inventive and resourceful. Thanks for the magnetron by the way.
Hey.Ive had the same problem. I removed a capacitor and also installed a cap made of very thin coax. I trimmed it till the SWR was ok. Works perfectly fine. I think that coax made cap can handle more power.
Hello Mike, interesting to learn that someone else has this problem. Sorted mine with silver mica capacitors in place of the ceramic type. Initially thought it was going to be a bin job until I saw the Allen screw holding the base in place. Retired from the radio Engineering Industry now, so plenty of time to play with the ham radio. Single feed to two radiators, current at different frequencies will flow out of the junction where it has the least impedance same as the nest of dipoles, ie if it sees 50 ohms it will flow into that radiator, that is one of the reasons we never used multi-band aerials in my early PMR days, too much hassle if a fault developed. vy 73 de John G4YDM
great mike. found the problem, a bad 6PF cap. what happened that cap got so hot it un soldered it self. that a colinear antenna. the coils up the antenna push the lobes out on the pattern flatting the donut pattern. nice cap. if you get full data sheet on coax will have cap value per meter listed. gives you a cut chart. the 5/8 wave gain master for 11 meters uses a coax cap inside as well. 73's
Very interesting to see the internal construction of the aerial, when you tested the small capacitor it seemed OK, perhaps it was breaking down when it got a higher RF voltage across it. Good tip using the coax
Hi Mike, thanks for another fantastic video!! I always find your videos extremely informative, interesting and helpful! I often use your video on calculating Q, reactance and inductance as a teaching aid to help explain impedance and resonance. Keep’em coming! This is true ham radio!
I had also same issue with a 3 band antenna. It save 300 watt max power I use was 150 watt on 2 meters. But most of the time it only was 25 watt ARPS. I fixed it 2 times. After I only use max 100 watt I had no problem more.
That first close up of the cap was a clue. I noticed that the exterior cover was broken where the leads enter the head. That made me think you might have a bad cap. Given the apparent age of the antenna, I think replacing them all would be appropriate. Nice bit of diagnostic work.
👍Well done Mike. I cannot say I am very surprised the little disc ceramic failed. Hopefully, the co-ax capacitor will do a better job. I am guessing that the tapped coil at the base is an autotransformer used to drop the impedance resistive element down to 50 Ohms and the shunt/series capcacitors will be cancelling out the reactance to around 0 Ohms. This means that you are left with approx. 50 Ohms restistive presented to the transciever. The "bendy bits" along the copper vertical section will be to adjust the phasing from each lower 5/8 element to the one above. They are bent back on themselves to reduce radiation. The idea is is the phasing sections don't radiate but just add extra length to make sure the 5/8 sections all radiate in phase. This is what gives the colinear it's gain.
Hi Mike, G6BPC in stroud here. I did exactly the same mod to my X510. Not because it was faulty, but there is evidence that the capacitors are prone to melting at 100 Watts or more. I think it's my most popular video! Mine is an original Diamond and after many years the three seals on the sections have not let in any water. Thanks, Nick
when you resoldered the original cap back on and you had high swr didnt you notice you had not connected the radias back on to the outer of the so239 ? but when you swapped it to the coax cap you did so probably was working .
It's interesting but I've found that if the capacitors lower their value , say down to 1 pf instead of 6, you may still have a decent SWR . A complete disconnection shows high SWR. That has been my experience with a slightly different antenna . That said, with the one still showing a decent SWR, the gain went away nearly completely.
Glad you’re sorted Mike 👍🏻 Not sure how old it is, but my two Diamond X-300s, 5 years and younger, don’t match yours, so possibly something else, unless it’s some sort of older design 🤔
It is a common problem these capacitors often fail. Either due to static load or excessive RF. I am curious how you routed the coax capacitor inside the antenna housing. Best 73, Stan (DK2CA)
It’s a collinear antenna. Those folded sections are just quarter phasing stubs. They can be folded or arranged in various ways. Some are just a U shape horizontal or wrapped around in a circle. Look at a super-j or marine Shakespeare antenna.
Hi I’ve just bought a computer designed di pole yagi for 2mtrs it’s from eBay hasn’t arrived yet but I’m going to use it ssb on bunker group Have you ever used one please.
I have the same antenna with the same problem, once i get it down, this video will be used for relevance, Just one question Mike, if the original capacitor was OK and just lifted off the one leg, why did the SWR not come back down? mine is high on 2 and 70, brand new feeder and plugs fitted. Found a short length of feeder the same as yours, no idea what i did but it measured as a resistor not a capacitor 0.04A. shoot me now Mike, it could only happen to me. Just for clarity, the feeder you used as the capacitor, is it a specific length overall? the one end looks like you bared the braid and pulled it back and then just bared the centre conductor yes? i did this and couldn't get a measurement. i take it the other end is just cut and left, not joined?
Yep the coax cap, is NOT shorted and a small amount of separation is needed to ensure it does not short. a lot of coax can act as a cap (look at the spec's) but most are around 1pF per cm of length..
He didn't change the coil, that was done at the factory, they often do stuff like that if the same coil is used on a bunch of models instead of ordering one for each.
Antenna saya pada posisi satu meter di atas tanah swr menunjukkan laporan 1:1,07 namun setelah di ketinggian 7 meter berubah menjadi 1:1,4, entah apa yang mempengaruhi itu.
Certain sure that's not a Diamond got 3 of them here. Diamond have the larger radials. Had this happen to me one before using a Sharmans copy X300 that was used on a remote site with high wind loads. It was only used as an RX antenna so not sure why the capacitor went in it. Whilst I also had it apart I added plenty more foam inside of the GRP shroud to stop it rattling, its lasted 6 years since.
Love it! Time to strip down "You Know What" next! See you at the factory!! LOL
Oops to late that's the next but one upload... :(
I blew a similar antenna up a few years ago running 200W on 6m into it. I still have it so should really try and repair it and replace the ceramic caps with coax caps - probably be good for a LOT more power than the rated 100W,
You really are a good teacher, er “ELMER”! Thank you!!
Thank you! 😃
Before I was old enough to attend university for my engineering degree I learnt so much by dissecting bad electronics and figuring out why and how it worked. Now, 40 years later and after a career as an RF engineer those memories and experience continue to shape my professional and personal life.
I remember scraping the coating off of the different styles of resistors and finding some that were just pure carbon, other that were glass rods that had a circular track grooved in to them with conductive powder in the grooves. Taking apart capacitors; Even breaking open tubes to look at the plate, anode, grid and filament structures. Invaluable to be able to do that and make sense out of how things really work.
Yes, I to dissembled just about everything I came across, lol, happy days
Very interesting to see the antenna internally thank you for sharing.
Very welcome
I believe that their is a "cap" at each of the funny antenna bend sections, 3/4 wave points. Thanks again for sharing, always learn a bunch here.
I've heard capacitors get old and can become resistors. I really don't understand anything about that yet, but I'm interested in figuring it out. I like this type of video because it's very informative and that is how things are figured out by troubleshooting and experimenting and experience is everything. Great video. Thank you
You repair stuff the same way I do! I'm so glad I'm not the only one!! 😂
That was excellent trouble shooting. Great hack making your own 6pF capacitor. You Brits are so inventive and resourceful. Thanks for the magnetron by the way.
Hey.Ive had the same problem. I removed a capacitor and also installed a cap made of very thin coax. I trimmed it till the SWR was ok. Works perfectly fine. I think that coax made cap can handle more power.
Hello Mike, interesting to learn that someone else has this problem. Sorted mine with silver mica capacitors in place of the ceramic type. Initially thought it was going to be a bin job until I saw the Allen screw holding the base in place. Retired from the radio Engineering Industry now, so plenty of time to play with the ham radio. Single feed to two radiators, current at different frequencies will flow out of the junction where it has the least impedance same as the nest of dipoles, ie if it sees 50 ohms it will flow into that radiator, that is one of the reasons we never used multi-band aerials in my early PMR days, too much hassle if a fault developed. vy 73 de John G4YDM
Thanks John. :)
great mike. found the problem, a bad 6PF cap. what happened that cap got so hot it un soldered it self. that a colinear antenna. the coils up the antenna push the lobes out on the pattern flatting the donut pattern. nice cap. if you get full data sheet on coax will have cap value per meter listed. gives you a cut chart. the 5/8 wave gain master for 11 meters uses a coax cap inside as well. 73's
Yes I have built one 8.4pF cap needed in the GM..:)
Very interesting to see the internal construction of the aerial, when you tested the small capacitor it seemed OK, perhaps it was breaking down when it got a higher RF voltage across it. Good tip using the coax
yep, spot on.
The centre pin of the base can also go open circuit from the wind flexing it so good to hear FM repeaters in the background a lot have now gone
Hi Mike, thanks for another fantastic video!! I always find your videos extremely informative, interesting and helpful! I often use your video on calculating Q, reactance and inductance as a teaching aid to help explain impedance and resonance. Keep’em coming! This is true ham radio!
Wow thanks, cheers!
I had also same issue with a 3 band antenna. It save 300 watt max power I use was 150 watt on 2 meters. But most of the time it only was 25 watt ARPS. I fixed it 2 times. After I only use max 100 watt I had no problem more.
Thank you sir for sharing this. By the way, clever idea on clay. All the best.
Thanks
That first close up of the cap was a clue. I noticed that the exterior cover was broken where the leads enter the head. That made me think you might have a bad cap. Given the apparent age of the antenna, I think replacing them all would be appropriate.
Nice bit of diagnostic work.
New Caps on order...
👍Well done Mike. I cannot say I am very surprised the little disc ceramic failed. Hopefully, the co-ax capacitor will do a better job. I am guessing that the tapped coil at the base is an autotransformer used to drop the impedance resistive element down to 50 Ohms and the shunt/series capcacitors will be cancelling out the reactance to around 0 Ohms. This means that you are left with approx. 50 Ohms restistive presented to the transciever. The "bendy bits" along the copper vertical section will be to adjust the phasing from each lower 5/8 element to the one above. They are bent back on themselves to reduce radiation. The idea is is the phasing sections don't radiate but just add extra length to make sure the 5/8 sections all radiate in phase. This is what gives the colinear it's gain.
Many thanks Steve. 👍👍👍
Hi Mike, G6BPC in stroud here. I did exactly the same mod to my X510. Not because it was faulty, but there is evidence that the capacitors are prone to melting at 100 Watts or more. I think it's my most popular video! Mine is an original Diamond and after many years the three seals on the sections have not let in any water. Thanks, Nick
Thanks for the info!
when you resoldered the original cap back on and you had high swr didnt you notice you had not connected the radias back on to the outer of the so239 ? but when you swapped it to the coax cap you did so probably was working .
At 1st glance, I would say it’s stacked co-linear arrays. Something to read up on! 😊 de WR9R
Good fix!!
Yep I think so, stacked co-linear. :)
That was my thought too.
Oh! Watching...!!
Just brilliant work... Fantastic, brilliant....
TA1XTA - 73
Many thanks!
It's interesting but I've found that if the capacitors lower their value , say down to 1 pf instead of 6, you may still have a decent SWR . A complete disconnection shows high SWR. That has been my experience with a slightly different antenna . That said, with the one still showing a decent SWR, the gain went away nearly completely.
Great fix the antenna will handle more power than original.
I hope so
Glad you’re sorted Mike 👍🏻 Not sure how old it is, but my two Diamond X-300s, 5 years and younger, don’t match yours, so possibly something else, unless it’s some sort of older design 🤔
Hi Ian, turns out to be a Sharman... who knew
Awesome job as always but i would have replaced all the caps with coax while it was apart just for piece of mind and for it to handle higher power
Great point!
It is a common problem these capacitors often fail. Either due to static load or excessive RF. I am curious how you routed the coax capacitor inside the antenna housing.
Best 73, Stan (DK2CA)
yes should have shown that, it was simply wrapped around the plastic below the coil.
Wa6ols Wes. It's a colonial vhf/uhf with a matching circuit.
You have no idea the trouble I would be in using the kitchen worktop as a work bench ! 73 M7BLC
Nice job Mike 🙂👍
in the kitchen u got the radiation element directly connected to the radials /ground . its litterly leaning against the part at 11:33 how just how
Well yes, it looks that way but it is lined with tape to shop that from happening.....
It’s a collinear antenna. Those folded sections are just quarter phasing stubs. They can be folded or arranged in various ways. Some are just a U shape horizontal or wrapped around in a circle. Look at a super-j or marine Shakespeare antenna.
thanks
Hi I’ve just bought a computer designed di pole yagi for 2mtrs it’s from eBay hasn’t arrived yet but I’m going to use it ssb on bunker group
Have you ever used one please.
ah No but I guess it will work perfectly. :)
I have the same antenna with the same problem, once i get it down, this video will be used for relevance, Just one question Mike, if the original capacitor was OK and just lifted off the one leg, why did the SWR not come back down? mine is high on 2 and 70, brand new feeder and plugs fitted. Found a short length of feeder the same as yours, no idea what i did but it measured as a resistor not a capacitor 0.04A. shoot me now Mike, it could only happen to me. Just for clarity, the feeder you used as the capacitor, is it a specific length overall? the one end looks like you bared the braid and pulled it back and then just bared the centre conductor yes? i did this and couldn't get a measurement. i take it the other end is just cut and left, not joined?
Yep the coax cap, is NOT shorted and a small amount of separation is needed to ensure it does not short. a lot of coax can act as a cap (look at the spec's) but most are around 1pF per cm of length..
Wouldn't transmitting FM on 144.000 be transmitting out of band..? I could say the same for 146 but you may have a NOV..
Sir, how did you see that the coil was overdone by one turn? I”m sort of a nube to this…
He didn't change the coil, that was done at the factory, they often do stuff like that if the same coil is used on a bunch of models instead of ordering one for each.
The first turn was soldered to the second one...
What's up with the S-7 to S-9 noise floor on 2M? Hope it's not like that once you get it back up in the air.
Hi Mike, local QRM from a wall wort, now replaced.. Good to hear from you, missing your videos/uploads!
Great video, well done.
Thank you very much!
good work---KE2AUM-73
I wish to know How to fix my antenna, no body in my country know how to fix 😔
So the conclusion is the capacitor was broken even though the LCR meter initially sowed 6 pF? Or am I misinterpreting?
Correct, the capacitor was showing 6pF at very low power but as soon as you put it under load it broke down.
@@mike-M0MSN Thanks Mike - Alex M0OOV
Thanks, i have the same antenna.
so the original cap was broken even you tested/measured it? or what was the reason it finally worked? sorry, english is not my native language
Original Cap tested ok but did not hold out at a higher voltage, so needed changing
Antenna saya pada posisi satu meter di atas tanah swr menunjukkan laporan 1:1,07 namun setelah di ketinggian 7 meter berubah menjadi 1:1,4, entah apa yang mempengaruhi itu.
This is called ground coupling or ground loss
It's because your kettle was the wrong inductance, it was out by about 500 Pico Kettles 🤣
🤣🤣
Certain sure that's not a Diamond got 3 of them here. Diamond have the larger radials. Had this happen to me one before using a Sharmans copy X300 that was used on a remote site with high wind loads. It was only used as an RX antenna so not sure why the capacitor went in it. Whilst I also had it apart I added plenty more foam inside of the GRP shroud to stop it rattling, its lasted 6 years since.
Hi Dan, yes you could be right with Sharman... good point.
Does static electricity get to the capacitors?
I think the caps are too small.
The 10 PF is the 2 meter
Quite disappointing to see such an ordinary looking capacitor used in a power RF situation.
73 Roland
Running a kilowatt will smoke those ceramic caps. I promise.
yes for sure
My wife would kill me for working on a real wood kitchen worktop!!
Yes, so would mine so don't tell her.... :)
make a j-pole
I just might...
You need a workshop.
Yes I do.....