@Knightrider80sKITT-v4gas someone with PTSD I know intimately that one of the symptoms of trauma is blocking out the trauma. The thoughts are so intrusive, the brain is quite good about pushing them away so that life can go on.
Is Kuriyama not aware of what trauma avoidance is? He was an idiot and terrible prosecutor. His questioning was absurd. Also, the judge was biased from the onset towards the defense in this whole trial.
Many people didn't have a clue in the '90. They were so rough with them. I agree with the part of the jury that voted for manslaughter because prosecution couldn't prove they weren't telling the truth, and every defendant deserves the probability of a doubt. Also, the number of witnesses that testified Jose was abusive makes the boys believable. They were abused in very extreme ways. Nobody shoots their own parents for no reason.
@@WhisperSonnetnow that more has come to light with all of the celebrities and upper echelon people I wouldn’t doubt if the judge and the prosecutor are in the club too. The things we know now about the music industry were underground rumored or unheard of to the public back then.
@@FaithAloneUK Both brothers committed multiple burglaries in 1988. Their father, who ruled with a rod of iron, threatened to disinherit them. In their greed and avarice they plotted and carried out the execution of their parents before the father did indeed remove them from the will. They slept for three nights with their father’s safe, went on lavish spending sprees. Very odd behaviour and not in keeping with survivors of sa. They are very convincing liars, convincing their close family into believing the sa story.
I noticed the same thing! 😮 that guy is so obnoxious, I couldn't believe he's a lawyer. He just sounds so unpolished. After every denial about watching the movie (49 times) the lawyer still keeps saying "after you watched the movie". Or erik saying repeatedly they didn't plan it or have a discussion about it, the guy continues to say "so you planned xyz". Like why ask the question if you're going to act like it was either never answered or answered with a "yes". So irritating. Agree the judge over ruled almost every objection from Leslie. No matter how ridiculous his wording was. I wanted to pull my hair out. Erik had enough, but kept pretty cool considering how🙄 the guy was.
@@AnnaCohen-gy1ugtheir family has come out and testified about their SA, being abused as children at the hands of both parents. Various and I do mean various mental health professionals have interviewed both brothers and said on and off the record that their memories, actions, body language and stories are consistent with SA /child abuse victims! Ignore all the facts and make comments about your own feelings and emotions…. But, do your own research!
@@danabehrhorst-ts6kw Oh well if the family said it happened then it must be true. You know what else is true, one of the nuts asked a woman to lie under oath about being molested by Jose.
Because Erik was lying and not giving the answer alresdy told by the shrink and the police, he’s trying to think of something but he can’t because he’s a lying murderer who will never get out
OMG. If you can’t tell how obedient and passive Eric was … you’ve got to be blind … this prosecutor was trying to paint a picture that never was. Probably the reason he kept repeating and repeating the same stuff over and over again.
He’s lying, what a narcissist if I’ve ever seen one, he got the idea from the tv film he watched then they excuted it and shot parents for the money, you lot are blind, he’s not answering the questions, he’s a lyer, he looks like the joker his eyes are evil, good job he’s locked up and he won’t get out the new D A will make sure of that and his pathetic wig wearing brother
@@FaithAloneUK Erik had 18 yrs of practice with his parents😣😓. Agree, don't think I could hide my distain for Lester Kuriyama (or Pam for that matter) as well as he did (& Lyle). I did love some of Erik's face-pulls through cross though, so relatable.
This makes me so upset. The judge obviously was for the state. Erik answered a million times that he doesn’t remember… but let’s keep asking. Erik is a very calm.
It’s crazy how they ask him over and over again the same or similar questions even if it’s obvious he just doesn’t remember..his mind blocked it out… I know several people personally who have had traumatic experiences who don’t remember it, only the before and after, like their mind blocked it out… it’s obviously the same here and it makes me angry how they keep questioning him the same things even saying how it is that he remembers early things from his childhood but not that…. It’s despicable
Exactly, totally agree! Mr asian probably doesn`t know anything about human mind or traumatic experience. I can`t believe how they treat them and how it is ok, that he can ask over and over and over!!!
How can Kitty have been only 5ft2?? You only have to look at family photos to see Jose is reported as being 6 ft. Kitty is probably more like 5ft6. The prosecution is a joke!
he is the worst prosecutor in american history im sorry i would have had to walk out the court room because he is a headache like can you comprehend SIR....
The state’s attorney is terrible. Just keeps asking the same thing trying to provoke. The jury will find you just as obnoxious as everyone else in the room
oh my god, i would have simply lost my mind sitting there as Erik is, answering these questions and accusations, that Erik is CLEARLY stating aren't true & that he can't remember! they're simply stuck in a loop of the same stupid questions! i can't believe how ridiculous the first hour was, let alone the whole three. i hope the brothers are freed this year, they've served their time. #freethemenendezbrothers2024
A little tidbit about the corner who testified regarding the shots and wounds to Jose and Kitty. This man, had been fired and his corner's license taken away not long after this trial. He also testified in the OJ Simpson trial. It was found he had years of sloppy work and made many mistakes during autopsies. So, everytime this weasel Kuriyama brings up what the corner stated, I cringe! I believe the number of wounds are not equal to the number of shots. One shot could have made more then one entry wound. It's also interesting that the boys collected ALL the shells by coincidence. They both stated all the shells were in the front of the room. None were at the back of the couch. So the theory that Lyle went to the back of couch is just plain wrong. (The corner did state it couldn't be from back of couch) Lyle said he found a shell between the side of couch and octagon table in the right side of room. So my belief is Lyle went to the side of couch, as he stated. Jose was stuck sitting in couch because of leg injury, and he had his head turned to the right looking at Kitty, now with his back of head lined with Lyle. I've always figured that how the head wound happened. Doing the math, if they had fully loaded (buckshot) guns with 6 in each, and one more when Lyle reloaded(bird shot) that's 13 shots in total. 2 missed and hit the windows with pellets in a tree, so that's 11 that hit the parents. Not 10 in kitty and 6 in Jose! I've seen the full uncensored crime scene video, and in all honesty if 16 shots were fired like the prosecution is claiming, there would have been far more damage. And the prosecution keeps saying the boys were aiming. Well, as Dr Ann Burgess testified, it was an unplanned messy crime scene. If the boys were purposefully aiming, wouldn't they have made efforts to shoot more vital organs like the heart and first shots in the head? Not Kitty's hand or Jose's arms and legs. Lester Kuriyama is so antagonist and gets on my nerves almost more then Pam! And that's saying a lot! He thinks he's being cleaver with all the trigger words to upset Erik and his repeated silly attacks towards Erik, yet it just makes him look like a small idiotic man in a bullet proof vest and suit! Yes, he got threats because of how he treated Erik and wore a vest for rest of trial. He became a defense lawyer after this! Lol!
damn the more I learn from your comment!! I have not watched Lyle cross yet so idk if the back shot of Jose head was true or false. since this is Erik pov, he said he didn't remember/ know that happened. bcos as Lester said, Erik could have accidentally shot Lyle too! which is make sense and why it never crossed my mind 😮 and also was the 'back' shot head wound was on the right or left? I was told by many that it was on the right, is it true? and about Lester being defense attorney, is it really true or it just a joke?? 💀 cuz I've read that too lol
If he became a defence lawyer afterwards he might afterall have had some conscience and felt bad about his conduct and gasligting. Unlike Pam and the worst out of all: Conn (who got away with more because it was not recorded anymore)
@@ryeofoatmeal the head shot was done from the right side of couch and wound in middle of Jose's back of head. I've always thought Lester really did become a defense lawyer 🤔. Now you make me wonder if it's true.
@@Salee-ze7qt oh no, don't be fooled by Lester. He has no conscience. Although the thought of him learning anything from this is appealing, I just can't see it. He's tactics during cross come natural too him. He can't change. He wanted to nail these boys just as bad as Pam and the rest of prosecution. He really hated the brothers and wholeheartedly believed all the many theories the prosecution had. From, it's a planned crime, boys did it for money, to they did it because the parents found out Erik was gay and it would ruin their image and wouldn't allow it. So boys killed them 🙄 makes me laugh! Erik is not gay and has said this many times. Not that it's an issue, but Kuriyama was so obsessed with the gay idea it made him look desperate. So no, if he became a defense lawyer, it was because he got so much hate and threats, plus the DA office was not impressed with him or Pam for not being more forceful (lie more) and winning. He went into hiding avoiding all media attention. Unlike Pam who sticks her face in anything Menendez over the many years. Lester was not in the second trial which was so unbelievably full of 🐂💩by the prosecution and judge.
Breaks your heart ?????? 😂 wasn't distraught when he was blowing holes into his parents. Wasn't too distraught to splatter their lounge with blood. Wasn't distraught when they were trying to get away with murder. But now he's being forced to talk about it he's distraught 😂 please... how can anyone have empathy for 2 men who clearly murdered their parents for money. This wasn't because they were being abused.... how many victims of abuse actually go on to murder the perpetrators? You have many murderers who claim they are victims of sexual abuse, but nobody really knows the truth if they are or not. People can easily spew lies, and their noses don't grow to give them away. Even victims of the worse abuse wouldn't go to this extreme. This was hatred on the highest level... they sit there and make out they loved their mother, but they shot her to shreds. She watched two boys who she carried, loved, and gave precious life to basically tortured her to death, they didn't spare her... why ?? Because they loved her or because they didn't want her standing between them and the money. How are people so gullible? These guys have been trouble since they were kids, they've
@@stargazer2019yes the mother who kept naked headless pictures , who molested and enabled their father to SA them. Yes sure, what a normal loving mother! Read the facts watch the complete trial and witnesses fool! Not a single person testified for the parents even after their deaths! Not even the relatives!
Marta testified that Kitty was stronger than Jose because she carried a mirror that Jose needing help with lifting. Now the following wasn't a part of the case and it hasn't been brought up often enough, but there was a woman named Cheri Woods (that served time for being a madame in LA). She used to supply prostitutes to men. Jose, at his busiest, I believe, would ask for prostitutes weekly. He had BDSM proclivities. I believe this was in an article or two. She also wrote a book on the sex industry in Hollywood.Jose's use of knives and tacs, etc. was brought up at this trial. Anyway, Cheri Woods said that the serial killer, The Hillside Strangler, was one of her clients. She further said that the serial killer was a gentleman compared to Jose Menéndez. She used words like savage and brutal. I think people just didn't want to go there, but it's a different time. People are more aware of sex crimes now. I do believe Cheri Woods, but the prostitutes except for one came forward, and she had to get paid to do it. It's just not a profession women want to admit to doing, prostitution.
girl this is the messiest cross exam I've watched so far 😂 first he keep asking the same darn question four times as objected by Leslie. he also didn't let Erik finish his damn answer and keep interrupting. second of all, he keep repeating the same subject over and over. the BBC movie, the chinese food, the shotgun shells and now the parking meter 😂😂😂 he would not let those topic go away. even the judge annoyed at some point 'just go to the main topic' lmfao. I feel like this cross has been meme-ed by many on tt or yt shorts cuz it just funny and frustrating to watch
How many times does one person have to say “ I don’t remember “ . He asked the same questions like a dozen times like he had run out of questions. Is that really how it works?
that lawyer is hoping to make a name for himself at the expense of Erik and Lyle. He remained as a low level unsuccessful "lawyer" I bet that lawyer thought this case was going to be his only chance to be a legacy....NOT!!! That "judge" even changes his tone of his voice to be so gentle when he speaks with the prosecutors, complete opposite with the defense team. BIASED! He scolds Ms. Abramson like she is a child, NO RESPECT
In 1993 as of October Leslie Abrahanson would have turned 50, though her hair style( " bird nest" ) tried to portray a younger person! Hope she didnt pay a fortune for that Ronald McDonald effect on her hair perm! LOL! @@cpgm100
@noashohat. And when him and Lyle shot Kitty and Jose.... they were not watching TV! That's of critical importance, I presume,at least according to Eric! ...But they weren't watching TV!
This prosecution had the dumbest question I've ever heard in my life coz they literally didn’t had any motive to prove so they just kept him down and tried And how many times that boy had to say HE DIDN’T REMEMBER... Is that prosecution dumb 😑
Omg stop talking about the movie. Somebody count how much time he wasted going on and on about it. I'm amazed at how he could remain so calm, I would've lost it.
This is so sad, he keeps asking Erik the same question over and over after Erik answers it or tell him he obviously doesn’t remember. You can clearly tell that he’s sorry they’ve been in here for like 30 years answering the same question
The detailed sexual abuse obviously is true with the first trial ending in a mistrial. In the second trial you have the same judge who says there is no evidence of sexual abuse and he doesn't want to hear it. But how could he state there was no credible evidence of it when he listened to it all in the first trial? Whatever anyone thinks about this case currently, the brothers at least deserve a third trial due to the improper mismanagement of trial #2. Isn't a defense allowed to put on whatever evidence they want to?
Omg if I was me I will tell him listen I just go inside and start to shut everywhere and I was so fast I don’t know why this guy is so stupid to understand is was a moment with the adrenaline was super high and you don’t remember just block up this moment
The prosecutor was trying to bait him to get him into a rage. how many times about the movie!! Just going around in circles WTH. He was trying to catch him out on a lie and he couldnt. Cause he is telling the truth!.
I find it funny how the prosecution tries to undermine the boy’s fear when it comes to their parents and say “why didn’t you just go to the police?”, yet have a witness like Dr. Oziel, who claims to be afraid of Lyle and yet doesn’t go to the police. 🙃
I'm not sure what the confidentiality laws are with therapists whether he could say anything but if he thought his life was in danger he could have surely. He tried to control the situation
Also how many ppl have to testify that they were intimidated by Jose and felt he was capable of carrying out his threats, grown men, but expect two kids that have grown up through that to not be fearful
Erik is having his patience tested with this Lester Kuriyama prosecutor. Lyle's prosecutor was far less wordy and far more effective. Leslie acts like he has a comprehension problem. And he's trying to catch Erik in a lie but his questioning is so atrocious that even if he did, he wouldn’t recognize it. I think that if that were me on the stand they would have had to treat me as a hostile witness, cause I would have gone the f off.
That is the worst prosecutor I’ve ever heard! He just goes on and on over and over again about the same damn thing “I thought you said, didn’t you say blah blah blah” I would have lost my shit on him…and the judge was definitely bias against Leslie
It's no wonder Kuriyama received threats😂, that's why the coward wasn't always in court. But the judge couldn't say why so he used the excuse that Kuriyama was out sick
How come they never ask "What did you see when you walked in?" or "How would therapy help you to forget?" those are REALL ASS questions! They ask questions like Shawn from 90 day... weird. Esp for a prosecutor lol.. tf JS! Questions WE ALL wanna know! They dont ask them.. This entire 2 trials are so vague in MANY ways. I personally think the entire fam was like P Diddy. You don't become Hollywood with a clean slate. They used their boys in ways they didn't want to be used, so they shot their parents to stop it all. things we will never know about. Possible other children or babies involved in different locations. Possibly a new local came up and they had enough, thus.. offed em. Or were threatened if they DIDNT do so, thus offed em.
They arent stupid, he is trying to provoke erik to the point he would snap and just spit everything, thats what he is doing. Raising the tension. At some point you see erik disassociating and losing it, and at those moments you hear leslie object. She ofcourse knows what the prosecution is doing too. He assumes erik has those answers but is concealing them, so he is attacking his emotional side. Them are lawyers, tactics is all they got
I don’t remember. “So, you do remember?” I just don’t remember. “So, you do remember but you don’t want to testify here ?” - I don’t remember, it’s too traumatizing. - “So, you do remember ? “😅
If they were truly greedy abused kids doing this for the money, this is what they could have done. They could have tape recorded Lyle's convo with the father, made a copy, ransacked their parents' home for valuables to hock and then run away, leaving behind a note with a copy of the tape saying the original was in a safety deposit box being guarded by an unknown attorney. Blackmail. They were devious enough to try to come up with the perfect murder, but these two former accused burglars couldn't have pulled off something like this? I think they were in a panic and not thinking clearly.
Omg, this Kuriyama is bad. The same questions over and over, didn't listen for anwers at all, just asking the same questions again and again😂 Erik was great answering this nonsens over and over, but he was boiling inside, as you expect. Who wouldn't😂
I don't understand the motivation behind whether he likes Westwood so much or not. is Lester tryna indicating that if Erik likes the area so much that he doesn't want to be away from home and wanna be near home instead
It's really stressful just to watch kuryiama repeat the same question as a 10000 times. And the worst is that he really thinks that he was doing a wonderful job. 😅
So odd that Court and journalism is for the PEOPLE, yet.. everything has to be blurred. any lie can surmise w that.. hence the need for Journalism! They exist exactly for this! (like the news and everything they have absolutely and completely censored as of 2015). Pretty sure it's an actual RIGHT.
Erik bello y tan inteligente, aunq estar sentado ahí ppr varias horas debió ser tan agotador física y mentalmente mi Erik bello, creo en ti y en tu hermano, deseo de todo corazón que salgan pronto de prisión, desde Ecuador los apoyo hombres valientes.... ❤❤❤❤❤
Am I wrong but didn’t they plan to go to the movies prior but after they went in the parents told them no they couldn’t go is when they decided to shoot the parents.
Like the prison wives, I feel I have fallen in love with Erik Menendez through Court TV! Crazy! What is happening? If the brothers are not Gay, they are gayish(?) and I wouldn't mind proposing to brother #2 myself. Erik is so measured, calm and substantial seeming on the witness stand. How can you not like him or empathize? I don't know if this means he (they) should be released after 35 years of a life sentence, but emotionally I see why we are rooting for them. Compelling.
The prosecutor is really pissing me off! I'd like to c if he can endure all the trauma a lot of us have lived thru n have those "sweet" memories n live to tell about it and be expected to relive thru it. N be expected to remember it all! Boo thumbs down 👎 to the prosecutor! He sucks at asking questions. Tragedy for sure but when abuse goes on for this long I probably would have done fucked up shit too. Just saying
Yes. Anyone whos whole defense is "I dont remember" is not sincere, but tactical. Which is a choice and their right, but not a good look in my view. Lyles ex Jamie did the same , even worse, especially given the things she couldnt remember werent trauma related, just random events.
Omg this guy is a idiot he has no clue what he wants to ask or how to even ask freaking blows my mind they allowed such a incompetent lawyer to ask anything
They knew what they were doing they went out and bought the ammunition and the guns they knew what their intentions were and they were grown. They could have made a decision to leave the home and not live there at all anymore instead of killing their mother and father. It's tragic what happened to them in their lives I feel for them I have compassion on them for what they went through as they were growing up. But they were not in danger at the time that they killed their parents. They were not in any type of self-defense situation did they had to murder them in self-defense. So no it was not right killing their parents. No one has any right to take anybody's life. They made the wrong decisions decision together to do the horrific crimes that they did. They needed to go to the police and move away from home and get away from their parents. Why didn't they do that???
I don't know why you continue to play dumb under these Menendez vids, Bianca. Not all victims of CSA act the same way. Of course its very rare they snap and murder their abusers. Hence why this was such a highly prolific case and trial.
@@jesusisapisces you are dumb , let my opinion pass by you if it frustrates you that we are not all on the side of murderers ,I bet you condone this kind of behaviour which is scary tho
@Bianca-Crystal I think what's more disturbing is that you continue to overlook the staggering evidence of CSA. You come across like a pdf sympathiser who is mad that two abusers were put down by their victims. I wouldn't be surprised if that is the case. Gutter. Trash.
When a person is in panic & in fear, you can't remember everything that happened.
Bull
True that’s what panic does. It’s not rational. It’s called in a panic
@Knightrider80sKITT-v4gas someone with PTSD I know intimately that one of the symptoms of trauma is blocking out the trauma. The thoughts are so intrusive, the brain is quite good about pushing them away so that life can go on.
Is Kuriyama not aware of what trauma avoidance is? He was an idiot and terrible prosecutor. His questioning was absurd. Also, the judge was biased from the onset towards the defense in this whole trial.
Exactly, maybe because they may be abusers themselves, and for money of course.
Many people didn't have a clue in the '90. They were so rough with them. I agree with the part of the jury that voted for manslaughter because prosecution couldn't prove they weren't telling the truth, and every defendant deserves the probability of a doubt. Also, the number of witnesses that testified Jose was abusive makes the boys believable. They were abused in very extreme ways. Nobody shoots their own parents for no reason.
The judge is awful
@@WhisperSonnetnow that more has come to light with all of the celebrities and upper echelon people I wouldn’t doubt if the judge and the prosecutor are in the club too. The things we know now about the music industry were underground rumored or unheard of to the public back then.
The prosecution has so much inaccurate information.
The judge over-rules 99% of the Leslie’s objections! Ridiculous!
Exactly!!
@@FaithAloneUK Both brothers committed multiple burglaries in 1988. Their father, who ruled with a rod of iron, threatened to disinherit them. In their greed and avarice they plotted and carried out the execution of their parents before the father did indeed remove them from the will. They slept for three nights with their father’s safe, went on lavish spending sprees. Very odd behaviour and not in keeping with survivors of sa. They are very convincing liars, convincing their close family into believing the sa story.
I noticed the same thing! 😮 that guy is so obnoxious, I couldn't believe he's a lawyer. He just sounds so unpolished. After every denial about watching the movie (49 times) the lawyer still keeps saying "after you watched the movie". Or erik saying repeatedly they didn't plan it or have a discussion about it, the guy continues to say "so you planned xyz". Like why ask the question if you're going to act like it was either never answered or answered with a "yes". So irritating.
Agree the judge over ruled almost every objection from Leslie. No matter how ridiculous his wording was. I wanted to pull my hair out. Erik had enough, but kept pretty cool considering how🙄 the guy was.
@@AnnaCohen-gy1ugtheir family has come out and testified about their SA, being abused as children at the hands of both parents. Various and I do mean various mental health professionals have interviewed both brothers and said on and off the record that their memories, actions, body language and stories are consistent with SA /child abuse victims! Ignore all the facts and make comments about your own feelings and emotions…. But, do your own research!
@@danabehrhorst-ts6kw Oh well if the family said it happened then it must be true. You know what else is true, one of the nuts asked a woman to lie under oath about being molested by Jose.
"objection your honor"
-overruled
"can we approach?"
-NO
wow
Worst judge ever.
I genuinely think Mr.Kuriyama asked the same 5 questions over and over again
For about 5 hours 😂😂😂
He did, to mainly try to catch him out on a lie and to confuse him as well.
Because Erik was lying and not giving the answer alresdy told by the shrink and the police, he’s trying to think of something but he can’t because he’s a lying murderer who will never get out
OMG. If you can’t tell how obedient and passive Eric was … you’ve got to be blind … this prosecutor was trying to paint a picture that never was. Probably the reason he kept repeating and repeating the same stuff over and over again.
Yep
Erik is doing better than I would. The prosecution is just completely antagonistic.
How Erik keeps calm I don’t know.
trauma and xanax
He’s lying, what a narcissist if I’ve ever seen one, he got the idea from the tv film he watched then they excuted it and shot parents for the money, you lot are blind, he’s not answering the questions, he’s a lyer, he looks like the joker his eyes are evil, good job he’s locked up and he won’t get out the new D A will make sure of that and his pathetic wig wearing brother
@@FaithAloneUK Erik had 18 yrs of practice with his parents😣😓.
Agree, don't think I could hide my distain for Lester Kuriyama (or Pam for that matter) as well as he did (& Lyle). I did love some of Erik's face-pulls through cross though, so relatable.
This makes me so upset. The judge obviously was for the state. Erik answered a million times that he doesn’t remember… but let’s keep asking. Erik is a very calm.
1:02:42 im tired of these dumb questions man😭 erik’s response in on point
It’s crazy how they ask him over and over again the same or similar questions even if it’s obvious he just doesn’t remember..his mind blocked it out… I know several people personally who have had traumatic experiences who don’t remember it, only the before and after, like their mind blocked it out… it’s obviously the same here and it makes me angry how they keep questioning him the same things even saying how it is that he remembers early things from his childhood but not that…. It’s despicable
Exactly, totally agree! Mr asian probably doesn`t know anything about human mind or traumatic experience. I can`t believe how they treat them and how it is ok, that he can ask over and over and over!!!
Yeah basically our brain try to keep bad or traumatic events away from our memory
Don’t talk shit, he’s saying he can’t remember because he doesn’t want to go back in his cell where he belongs the monster murdering narcissist
How can Kitty have been only 5ft2?? You only have to look at family photos to see Jose is reported as being 6 ft.
Kitty is probably more like 5ft6.
The prosecution is a joke!
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Time stamp?
@@harperz45at the beginning around :30 the attorney mentions the moms height
The judge saying a fair trial for both sides is of utmost importance is a joke
Gaslighting in the broadlight. This is anything but a fair trial.
1:07:50 I hear the prosecutor repeat the question in five different ways even after erik already explained it
he is the worst prosecutor in american history im sorry i would have had to walk out the court room because he is a headache like can you comprehend SIR....
2:26 poor boy almost broke down he couldn’t even look properly and they made him talk about that part again and again 💔
He’s breaking down because he murdered his parents in cold blood.
The state’s attorney is terrible. Just keeps asking the same thing trying to provoke. The jury will find you just as obnoxious as everyone else in the room
erik has the patience of a saint
You got to be kidding me! He said he doesn`t remember like 100 times!!! I can`t believe he is so calm!
Despite the situation I truly believe the judge and prosecutor despised Erik because he was young and way better looking.
What?? He is a murderer
You can see he's really sorry and his kind heart.
oh my god, i would have simply lost my mind sitting there as Erik is, answering these questions and accusations, that Erik is CLEARLY stating aren't true & that he can't remember! they're simply stuck in a loop of the same stupid questions! i can't believe how ridiculous the first hour was, let alone the whole three. i hope the brothers are freed this year, they've served their time. #freethemenendezbrothers2024
A little tidbit about the corner who testified regarding the shots and wounds to Jose and Kitty. This man, had been fired and his corner's license taken away not long after this trial. He also testified in the OJ Simpson trial. It was found he had years of sloppy work and made many mistakes during autopsies. So, everytime this weasel Kuriyama brings up what the corner stated, I cringe! I believe the number of wounds are not equal to the number of shots. One shot could have made more then one entry wound. It's also interesting that the boys collected ALL the shells by coincidence. They both stated all the shells were in the front of the room. None were at the back of the couch. So the theory that Lyle went to the back of couch is just plain wrong. (The corner did state it couldn't be from back of couch) Lyle said he found a shell between the side of couch and octagon table in the right side of room. So my belief is Lyle went to the side of couch, as he stated. Jose was stuck sitting in couch because of leg injury, and he had his head turned to the right looking at Kitty, now with his back of head lined with Lyle. I've always figured that how the head wound happened. Doing the math, if they had fully loaded (buckshot) guns with 6 in each, and one more when Lyle reloaded(bird shot) that's 13 shots in total. 2 missed and hit the windows with pellets in a tree, so that's 11 that hit the parents. Not 10 in kitty and 6 in Jose! I've seen the full uncensored crime scene video, and in all honesty if 16 shots were fired like the prosecution is claiming, there would have been far more damage. And the prosecution keeps saying the boys were aiming. Well, as Dr Ann Burgess testified, it was an unplanned messy crime scene. If the boys were purposefully aiming, wouldn't they have made efforts to shoot more vital organs like the heart and first shots in the head? Not Kitty's hand or Jose's arms and legs. Lester Kuriyama is so antagonist and gets on my nerves almost more then Pam! And that's saying a lot! He thinks he's being cleaver with all the trigger words to upset Erik and his repeated silly attacks towards Erik, yet it just makes him look like a small idiotic man in a bullet proof vest and suit! Yes, he got threats because of how he treated Erik and wore a vest for rest of trial. He became a defense lawyer after this! Lol!
damn the more I learn from your comment!! I have not watched Lyle cross yet so idk if the back shot of Jose head was true or false. since this is Erik pov, he said he didn't remember/ know that happened. bcos as Lester said, Erik could have accidentally shot Lyle too! which is make sense and why it never crossed my mind 😮 and also was the 'back' shot head wound was on the right or left? I was told by many that it was on the right, is it true? and about Lester being defense attorney, is it really true or it just a joke?? 💀 cuz I've read that too lol
If he became a defence lawyer afterwards he might afterall have had some conscience and felt bad about his conduct and gasligting. Unlike Pam and the worst out of all: Conn (who got away with more because it was not recorded anymore)
@@ryeofoatmeal the head shot was done from the right side of couch and wound in middle of Jose's back of head. I've always thought Lester really did become a defense lawyer 🤔. Now you make me wonder if it's true.
@@Salee-ze7qt oh no, don't be fooled by Lester. He has no conscience. Although the thought of him learning anything from this is appealing, I just can't see it. He's tactics during cross come natural too him. He can't change. He wanted to nail these boys just as bad as Pam and the rest of prosecution. He really hated the brothers and wholeheartedly believed all the many theories the prosecution had. From, it's a planned crime, boys did it for money, to they did it because the parents found out Erik was gay and it would ruin their image and wouldn't allow it. So boys killed them 🙄 makes me laugh! Erik is not gay and has said this many times. Not that it's an issue, but Kuriyama was so obsessed with the gay idea it made him look desperate. So no, if he became a defense lawyer, it was because he got so much hate and threats, plus the DA office was not impressed with him or Pam for not being more forceful (lie more) and winning. He went into hiding avoiding all media attention. Unlike Pam who sticks her face in anything Menendez over the many years. Lester was not in the second trial which was so unbelievably full of 🐂💩by the prosecution and judge.
22:22 breaks my heart.. Erik looks so distraught
he looks like he's about to cry:(
Breaks your heart ?????? 😂 wasn't distraught when he was blowing holes into his parents. Wasn't too distraught to splatter their lounge with blood. Wasn't distraught when they were trying to get away with murder. But now he's being forced to talk about it he's distraught 😂 please... how can anyone have empathy for 2 men who clearly murdered their parents for money. This wasn't because they were being abused.... how many victims of abuse actually go on to murder the perpetrators? You have many murderers who claim they are victims of sexual abuse, but nobody really knows the truth if they are or not. People can easily spew lies, and their noses don't grow to give them away. Even victims of the worse abuse wouldn't go to this extreme. This was hatred on the highest level... they sit there and make out they loved their mother, but they shot her to shreds. She watched two boys who she carried, loved, and gave precious life to basically tortured her to death, they didn't spare her... why ?? Because they loved her or because they didn't want her standing between them and the money. How are people so gullible? These guys have been trouble since they were kids, they've
@@stargazer2019wow so talkative but yet so dumb
@@stargazer2019yes the mother who kept naked headless pictures , who molested and enabled their father to SA them. Yes sure, what a normal loving mother! Read the facts watch the complete trial and witnesses fool! Not a single person testified for the parents even after their deaths! Not even the relatives!
@@durgasunil5438where’s the evidence of that? There isn’t any. If so you take that evidence to the police.
Marta testified that Kitty was stronger than Jose because she carried a mirror that Jose needing help with lifting.
Now the following wasn't a part of the case and it hasn't been brought up often enough, but there was a woman named Cheri Woods (that served time for being a madame in LA). She used to supply prostitutes to men. Jose, at his busiest, I believe, would ask for prostitutes weekly. He had BDSM proclivities. I believe this was in an article or two. She also wrote a book on the sex industry in Hollywood.Jose's use of knives and tacs, etc. was brought up at this trial. Anyway, Cheri Woods said that the serial killer, The Hillside Strangler, was one of her clients. She further said that the serial killer was a gentleman compared to Jose Menéndez. She used words like savage and brutal. I think people just didn't want to go there, but it's a different time. People are more aware of sex crimes now. I do believe Cheri Woods, but the prostitutes except for one came forward, and she had to get paid to do it. It's just not a profession women want to admit to doing, prostitution.
girl this is the messiest cross exam I've watched so far 😂 first he keep asking the same darn question four times as objected by Leslie. he also didn't let Erik finish his damn answer and keep interrupting. second of all, he keep repeating the same subject over and over. the BBC movie, the chinese food, the shotgun shells and now the parking meter 😂😂😂 he would not let those topic go away. even the judge annoyed at some point 'just go to the main topic' lmfao. I feel like this cross has been meme-ed by many on tt or yt shorts cuz it just funny and frustrating to watch
How many times does one person have to say “ I don’t remember “ . He asked the same questions like a dozen times like he had run out of questions. Is that really how it works?
that lawyer is hoping to make a name for himself at the expense of Erik and Lyle. He remained as a low level unsuccessful "lawyer" I bet that lawyer thought this case was going to be his only chance to be a legacy....NOT!!! That "judge" even changes his tone of his voice to be so gentle when he speaks with the prosecutors, complete opposite with the defense team. BIASED! He scolds Ms. Abramson like she is a child, NO RESPECT
yes exactly when the judge has to sustain an objection he says it so unwillingly like he's disappointed he has to rule in favor of the defense
@pattyz. What did that prosecutor Kuriyama become later, as he looked only 25- 30 yrs old! He had his whole life ahead!
@@chairlesnicol672 lyle was 25, kuriyama must've been at least 35 at the time or more
@@cpgm100Thnx! Leslie Abrahnson was maybe the same 35 yrs , would you say?
In 1993 as of October Leslie Abrahanson would have turned 50, though her hair style( " bird nest" ) tried to portray a younger person! Hope she didnt pay a fortune for that Ronald McDonald effect on her hair perm! LOL! @@cpgm100
1:05:28 "Your honor can we approach?!"
"No."
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Omg the damn coffee table
The part with the Chinese food killed me
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@noashohat. And when him and Lyle shot Kitty and Jose.... they were not watching TV! That's of critical importance, I presume,at least according to Eric! ...But they weren't watching TV!
This prosecution had the dumbest question I've ever heard in my life coz they literally didn’t had any motive to prove so they just kept him down and tried
And how many times that boy had to say HE DIDN’T REMEMBER... Is that prosecution dumb 😑
Omg stop talking about the movie. Somebody count how much time he wasted going on and on about it. I'm amazed at how he could remain so calm, I would've lost it.
My exact thought
Same with the Chinese food even though Erik already admitted he made the story up. The prosecutor was terrible!!!
This is so sad, he keeps asking Erik the same question over and over after Erik answers it or tell him he obviously doesn’t remember. You can clearly tell that he’s sorry they’ve been in here for like 30 years answering the same question
Kuriyama keeps asking the same thing over and over 😒
His job
What a sleazy so called lawyer, trying to ask the same question in many different ways to trick Erik.
That judge 😅😢 he hates Leslie
The detailed sexual abuse obviously is true with the first trial ending in a mistrial. In the second trial you have the same judge who says there is no evidence of sexual abuse and he doesn't want to hear it. But how could he state there was no credible evidence of it when he listened to it all in the first trial? Whatever anyone thinks about this case currently, the brothers at least deserve a third trial due to the improper mismanagement of trial #2. Isn't a defense allowed to put on whatever evidence they want to?
Omg if I was me I will tell him listen I just go inside and start to shut everywhere and I was so fast I don’t know why this guy is so stupid to understand is was a moment with the adrenaline was super high and you don’t remember just block up this moment
It was an act of impulse and momentarily extreme fear of death
Exactly. They were reacting in fear… hard to understand or explain this to general public
The prosecutor was trying to bait him to get him into a rage.
how many times about the movie!! Just going around in circles WTH. He was trying to catch him out on a lie and he couldnt. Cause he is telling the truth!.
He is in jail
I find it funny how the prosecution tries to undermine the boy’s fear when it comes to their parents and say “why didn’t you just go to the police?”, yet have a witness like Dr. Oziel, who claims to be afraid of Lyle and yet doesn’t go to the police. 🙃
I'm not sure what the confidentiality laws are with therapists whether he could say anything but if he thought his life was in danger he could have surely. He tried to control the situation
Also how many ppl have to testify that they were intimidated by Jose and felt he was capable of carrying out his threats, grown men, but expect two kids that have grown up through that to not be fearful
Oziel, their star witness, was a sleaze demolished by the Defense.
Erik is having his patience tested with this Lester Kuriyama prosecutor. Lyle's prosecutor was far less wordy and far more effective. Leslie acts like he has a comprehension problem. And he's trying to catch Erik in a lie but his questioning is so atrocious that even if he did, he wouldn’t recognize it.
I think that if that were me on the stand they would have had to treat me as a hostile witness, cause I would have gone the f off.
They were found guilty
What an a-hole judge! The defence must have the patience of a saint!!
That is the worst prosecutor I’ve ever heard! He just goes on and on over and over again about the same damn thing “I thought you said, didn’t you say blah blah blah” I would have lost my shit on him…and the judge was definitely bias against Leslie
God help those young men stay strong through out all this and be set free.
It's no wonder Kuriyama received threats😂, that's why the coward wasn't always in court. But the judge couldn't say why so he used the excuse that Kuriyama was out sick
How come they never ask "What did you see when you walked in?" or "How would therapy help you to forget?" those are REALL ASS questions! They ask questions like Shawn from 90 day... weird. Esp for a prosecutor lol.. tf
JS! Questions WE ALL wanna know! They dont ask them.. This entire 2 trials are so vague in MANY ways.
I personally think the entire fam was like P Diddy. You don't become Hollywood with a clean slate.
They used their boys in ways they didn't want to be used, so they shot their parents to stop it all. things we will never know about.
Possible other children or babies involved in different locations. Possibly a new local came up and they had enough, thus.. offed em.
Or were threatened if they DIDNT do so, thus offed em.
and i thought pamela was bad but this man was just insanely awful. i feel so bad for erik having to deal with this dumbass.
Asked and answered 20x. Not a lawyer, but it's pretty obvious.
22:26 the way he looked away 💔💔
This Prosecutor is not very bright ! How could that be? Shock sir! I’m not a psychologist
Let them out
What's the matter with the prosecution? Are they stupid or something?
Yes he most definitely is
They arent stupid, he is trying to provoke erik to the point he would snap and just spit everything, thats what he is doing. Raising the tension. At some point you see erik disassociating and losing it, and at those moments you hear leslie object. She ofcourse knows what the prosecution is doing too. He assumes erik has those answers but is concealing them, so he is attacking his emotional side. Them are lawyers, tactics is all they got
This prosecutor is the worst
22:22 bro-
I don’t remember. “So, you do remember?” I just don’t remember. “So, you do remember but you don’t want to testify here ?” - I don’t remember, it’s too traumatizing. - “So, you do remember ? “😅
If they were truly greedy abused kids doing this for the money, this is what they could have done. They could have tape recorded Lyle's convo with the father, made a copy, ransacked their parents' home for valuables to hock and then run away, leaving behind a note with a copy of the tape saying the original was in a safety deposit box being guarded by an unknown attorney. Blackmail. They were devious enough to try to come up with the perfect murder, but these two former accused burglars couldn't have pulled off something like this? I think they were in a panic and not thinking clearly.
Omg, this Kuriyama is bad. The same questions over and over, didn't listen for anwers at all, just asking the same questions again and again😂 Erik was great answering this nonsens over and over, but he was boiling inside, as you expect. Who wouldn't😂
I don’t remember. “So, you do remember?” I just don’t remember. “So, you do remember but you don’t want to testify here ?” -
Anyway, the prosecutor was doing his job and tried to trick the defendent. That's understandable. Though he did lack of knowledge about traumas.
He did good about tricking
in the beginning of this you can tell he was heavily medicated on this day ☹️
The Prosecutor N Judge Should Of Been BaredFkn Shady Ass Trial
#FreeTheMenendezBrothers🙏🏼🙏🏼
I don't understand the motivation behind whether he likes Westwood so much or not. is Lester tryna indicating that if Erik likes the area so much that he doesn't want to be away from home and wanna be near home instead
It's really stressful just to watch kuryiama repeat the same question as a 10000 times. And the worst is that he really thinks that he was doing a wonderful job. 😅
Erik likes Batman? He's based af
So odd that Court and journalism is for the PEOPLE, yet.. everything has to be blurred. any lie can surmise w that.. hence the need for Journalism! They exist exactly for this! (like the news and everything they have absolutely and completely censored as of 2015). Pretty sure it's an actual RIGHT.
Erik bello y tan inteligente, aunq estar sentado ahí ppr varias horas debió ser tan agotador física y mentalmente mi Erik bello, creo en ti y en tu hermano, deseo de todo corazón que salgan pronto de prisión, desde Ecuador los apoyo hombres valientes.... ❤❤❤❤❤
Am I wrong but didn’t they plan to go to the movies prior but after they went in the parents told them no they couldn’t go is when they decided to shoot the parents.
Prosecutor is obnoxiously unqualified or incompetent or desperate
objection, your honor, the prosecution is being mean and dumb ☝️
Like the prison wives, I feel I have fallen in love with Erik Menendez through Court TV!
Crazy! What is happening? If the brothers are not Gay, they are gayish(?) and I wouldn't mind proposing to brother #2 myself. Erik is so measured, calm and substantial seeming on the witness stand. How can you not like him or empathize? I don't know if this means he (they) should be released after 35 years of a life sentence, but emotionally I see why we are rooting for them. Compelling.
Prison wives are fools too
I’m right there with you
The prosecutor is really pissing me off! I'd like to c if he can endure all the trauma a lot of us have lived thru n have those "sweet" memories n live to tell about it and be expected to relive thru it. N be expected to remember it all! Boo thumbs down 👎 to the prosecutor! He sucks at asking questions.
Tragedy for sure but when abuse goes on for this long I probably would have done fucked up shit too. Just saying
Eric is less sincere that Lyle… definitely.
and how?
Yes. Anyone whos whole defense is "I dont remember" is not sincere, but tactical. Which is a choice and their right, but not a good look in my view. Lyles ex Jamie did the same , even worse, especially given the things she couldnt remember werent trauma related, just random events.
Erik is more sincere
Omg this guy is a idiot he has no clue what he wants to ask or how to even ask freaking blows my mind they allowed such a incompetent lawyer to ask anything
They knew what they were doing they went out and bought the ammunition and the guns they knew what their intentions were and they were grown. They could have made a decision to leave the home and not live there at all anymore instead of killing their mother and father. It's tragic what happened to them in their lives I feel for them I have compassion on them for what they went through as they were growing up. But they were not in danger at the time that they killed their parents. They were not in any type of self-defense situation did they had to murder them in self-defense. So no it was not right killing their parents. No one has any right to take anybody's life. They made the wrong decisions decision together to do the horrific crimes that they did. They needed to go to the police and move away from home and get away from their parents. Why didn't they do that???
Watch the trial, it gives all answers and some more....
2:12. Overruled?,,,?
wrong folk in jail....
the worst prosecutor ever.
2:09:48 that look so freaking real no way he was lying here
Strategy: " I don't remember, Don't remember, Don't remember etc
dont object erik cool
He is lying
If all these abused happend ,would they got clinically crazy ,or commit suicide?
Erik was extremely suicidal and was on strong medication before/during and after the trial
I don't know why you continue to play dumb under these Menendez vids, Bianca. Not all victims of CSA act the same way. Of course its very rare they snap and murder their abusers. Hence why this was such a highly prolific case and trial.
@@jesusisapisces you are dumb , let my opinion pass by you if it frustrates you that we are not all on the side of murderers ,I bet you condone this kind of behaviour which is scary tho
@@jesusisapisces the fact that your picture is Jodi Arias is telling about you ,dumb
@Bianca-Crystal I think what's more disturbing is that you continue to overlook the staggering evidence of CSA. You come across like a pdf sympathiser who is mad that two abusers were put down by their victims. I wouldn't be surprised if that is the case. Gutter. Trash.
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