Hi there, I am a roman catholic priest, and I took the challenge to watch this video with an open mind. I think you did a great work to explain very clearly the logic behind your faith. For me, altough God goed behind our human limited mind, what we believe about Him should be in some way logic, and even "reachable" with our mind, but not understand Him completely. In that sense, my faith gives also some intelectual satisfaction. Thanks for explaining all this, because I can understand much more that it gives a similar satisfaction, because of the logic of your faith, so you did open my mind to see that there are real alternatives for the traditional Christian view of understand important things..
Good to talk to you. Thank you for this reply, and I agree with what you wrote. If you will permit me a couple of more "Mormon" quotes that come to mind, I would like to share them with you. This first quote is in reference to Isaiah 11:9 "And then cometh to pass the saying of the Prophet: the earth shall be filled with the knowledge of the Lord as the waters cover the sea. And in that day no man sayeth unto his neighbor, know thy God, for all the children of men which remain upon the earth shall know Him, from the least unto the greatest." Then there is this quote: "I say unto you, that the mysteries of the kingdom of heaven are not mysteries of themselves, but are made so by reason of the truth withheld, and revelations denied unto men. For men pervert the truth, even that which is revealed, to make the heavens a mystery and all things therein.." I do want to say that even though we have numerous disagreements, I want to share some experience my family had with Catholics. In the 1970s, my parents were actively involved in the Right to Life movement before and after the Supreme Court decision.. Because of this we became very much hated as a family from the people within the LDS Church, as well as the secular people in the community. It was a trying time. The only ones who showed us friendship were the Catholics, who taught us much concerning the subject. I am always grateful for what they have done. Thank you.
Thanks again for your kind response, the last view days I was thinking a lot about your video, about the inmensity of the universe, about how little we really know about it, and the Earth-centerdness of our thinking, while Earth is just a little tiny peace.. So I am trying to understand, and leaving the idea that our Earth is the center of all is a bit scary, because well, many of us are so used to hear how special it is that on our planet Earth life is possible etc.. But at the same time, it is not against traditional Christianism to embrace the idea that there are also other worlds, even with human life. So, I am open to accept this as a possibility, and I Liked the quotes of the Lord's words to Moses, making this clear, but also making clear that He reveals to ús, humans on planet Earth, just what is necesary for our Salvation, that is, what is contained in Holy Scripture, and additional Scripture. (so, in this way, I can understand that when the Bible speaks of creation, it speaks of the creation of out planet Earth, at least I guess that is LDS teaching?) I also have a question, I would like to know if this your point of view, or if I am wrong, tell me so: planet Earth is the place where Heavenly Fathers Spirit Children receive their bodies, and make progression, to be ultimately Exalted.. Can I say than, that the "other Worlds" the Lord speaks about to Mosiah are the worlds the Exalted spirits inherit? Or is that again top much Earth centered, because in this view, our Earth would be the only place where we could make progresión? (I hope you will see my sincerity to understand, trying to see those things without the limitations of what I am told to belief. I also hope that you can understand that that takes some spiritual and intelectual exercise to do so..
@@woutjewaalre Yes, Thank you. I will try to answer your amazing questions as best I know, as the spirit inspires me. I realize how different this is to your own religion, and know it takes an incredible person to be willing to think outside the box. To me, every thing has to have a purpose. Everything must be logical and rational. It has to be scientific and follow the rules. There must be a purpose to why we spend so short a time living this life, and we live forever in the life to come. There must be a reason for the devil and why evil exists and we must overcome evil by conquering our hearts. To me, LDS theology gives me all of that and so much more. It is so deep and profound and so richly fulfilling. Everything that has been revealed to us in this life, is just that knowledge which pertains to this earth. Nothing has ever been revealed concerning any other world other than we are told they exist. We can see that other worlds exist with our own eyes and with our telescopes. We can also see that we are far from the center of it. "To every thing there is a season, and a time to every purpose under the heaven.' Ecclesiastes 3:1 There is a purpose to all of God's creations. There is a purpose to every world and every planet. All of the uncounted trillions of them. There is a purpose to every life which lives on every planet. There is a purpose to every heaven. They are all God's creations and they were not created just to look at. In answer to your last question, yes, the earth is the place where we receive our bodies which are created from the elements of this earth. This earth is the place where we are tested in our choice between good and evil, to compile a record of our good and evil works, so we can be judged by that record. I believe that we are currently ordained only for this earth and the heavens associated with it. We belong to and are created by the same order which created the earth, and we always will be subjects to that order, and that will never change. But it seems natural that at some point in time we will branch out from this earth and we will inherit or even assist the order of the Godhead in creating entire new worlds. I feel like that includes all of us, both great and small will do our part in creating new worlds and expanding God's kingdoms far into eternity. My personal hunch is that this earth is more of a testing ground for us, to prove our worthiness to join that society of the universe. I believe there are many worlds with people on them that are likewise being tested to inherit greater or lesser things according to their record. "9. And how could one who thus possesses a will, which is forever independent of his Creator, be measured for the vast responsibilities of an endless future, except by his record? For how could the government of the heavens be upheld in everlasting security, except the powers thereof be conferred upon those who have demonstrated that the will of the Father is superior to death or to the multiplied sacrifices of life? And how could the hosts of the righteous, who people the celestial worlds, abide forever in His presence if they could not live obedient unto celestial law? "10. Wherefore, according to the record, which record is kept in heaven, and it is a record of the deeds done in the body, and this includeth the works of repentance, even according to the record, shall it be with every man to receive much or little. "11. And thus man shapeth his own destiny, even as God, in whose likeness he is made, even in the likeness of his spirit and in the image of his body." There is an old saying that knowledge is power. The power to create is also the power to destroy. The government of the heavens is one of strict order. No one can be given a place in the government of the universe unless they can be trusted. In other words, no one can be given knowledge to create and destroy unless they can prove they can be trusted. Else the government of the universe could not be upheld in everlasting security. "the wicked have possessed themselves of all the fullness of the earth, and made themselves wiser in their day and generation than the children of the kingdom; and by their knowledge, have they arrogated unto themselves the powers that be; even to rule and exercise unrighteous dominion over the souls of men. And this have they done because of the free-agency of man. 3. And now, if I should suffer them to obtain knowledge of spiritual things also, which knowledge is power in the heavens, even as knowledge is power upon the earth, they would seek in like manner to overthrow the institutions of heaven, hereafter, unto their own glory, even as Lucifer. And thus again would the voice of the traitor be heard in the pavilions of the Holy One. 4. Wherefore, they cannot he permitted to receive it, and are thus shut out from the gates of knowledge by the Spirit of Truth; for He ministereth not unto them, saith the Lord. For this cause was it decreed of the Father, that only through obedience should the Holy Ghost be given to men; yea, through an ordinance of the Gospel of Jesus Christ; and not by the will or choice of any man; neither can any man obtain the administrations thereof, to lead him into all truth without strict conformity therewith. As to our spirits, LDS theology teaches that our spirits predate the creation of the earth, and are created from matter which is eternal. Our spirits that inhabit our bodies are elements just like our bodies are. But the matter which composes our spirits is more refined. "33. For man is spirit. The elements are eternal, and spirit and element, inseparably connected, receive a fulness of joy; 34. And when separated, man cannot receive a fulness of joy. 35. The elements are the tabernacle of God; yea, man is the tabernacle of God, even temples; and whatsoever temple is defiled, God shall destroy that temple. 36. The glory of God is intelligence, or, in other words, light and truth." D&C 93. Elements are not created nor destroyed, but are eternal. In other words, they have always existed through all eternity. Our spirits were created out of elements which were neither created nor destroyed, but were organized from a state of chaos so to speak. The earth was created out of elements that were neither created nor destroyed, but have always existed throughout eternity. Like wise our bodies, which came from the elements of the earth are also eternal. Our bodies may be less than one hundred years old, but the elements which compose our bodies are neither created nor destroyed. This is actually a basic law of physics.
@@smallhelmonabigship3524Joseph Smith was nothing but a liar, In fact he was dumb as rocks, GOD doesn't live on a planet ( Kolob) 😂😂😂😂😂, Joseph Smith never Read Genesis chapter 1😂😂😂😂😂 , I mean the Mormons Call Joseph Smith a prophet 😅😅😅😅 he was dumb
Kolob is nearest to the residence or planet were God the Father and his Family live. Like the sun is closest to the earth. Great presentation I loved it.
This video is so powerful! I have watched a lot of videos on astrophysics and what is being said in those scripture references and the Joseph Smith King Follet sermon match up spot on. I suspect science and scripture will back each other up even more when the James Webb telescope gets put into space in November or December. Great video!
Thanks. I have always believed that pure science and pure religion are in harmony wih each other. Once you take out all of the conjecture and opinions. The big bang theory for example is believed to be truth by millions of people. But it cannot observed, any part of it cannot be duplicated in a lab, and it cannot explain many fundamental truths we see in the universe. It is still very much an opinion. Yet scientists continue to build massive theories around it as though it were already established fact. It cannot explain how stars came to burn, as that is still a science which is beyond our understanding. It cannot explain how planets orbit around it in a careful balance. When we put a satellite into geo synchronous orbit, we have to put little rockets on it that periodically fire to keep it from drifting out of orbit. If we cannot balance a satellite into orbit for any length of time, how can we believe that blind random chance can do it for the moons and planets? Not only once, but trillions of times judging by the numbers of stars we can see.
Ppl nowadays who believe that we are "starseeds", come from different alien races from different planets, that there is an elite galactic federation of "alien" leaders, into energy, conciousness, spirit brings, etc, actually have way more in common with deeper mormon doctrine than they think.
True wonderful enlightening. Thank you for this presentation. I have been a Latter Day Saint for so many years. I love my Lord. I love His Gospel. Yes we shall live forever and Jehovah has made it all possible. We lived before we came to be clothed in our mortal bodies in our mothers wombs. It is a beautiful plan given by our Father in Heaven to enoble us. We choose. Freedom to choose for ourselves is at the heart of the gospel. All choices of course bring consequences. We all make mistakes, that was part of His Great Merciful Plan. Jehovah of our pre earth life, became Jesus when he was born of his own very dear mother. When he had finished the work the Father gave Him, by suffering in the garden of Gethsemanae, allowing men to betray and crucify Him. He died that we might live again. After out earthly death , l testify yeah, we shall all live again. He the Lord Jesus Christ did this for each of us. This He did offer Himself to pay that price. The Father of all mankind loves EACH of us. He may not be happy with wickednesses we have done though. This is why missionaries teach these things and offer us baptism to cleanse us thoroughly through Christ's spilled blood. I so testify.
Thank you for that wonderful testimony. That really picks me up to read that in the morning. We all are sons and daughters of God, and we are all created to partake in the joys of eternity. Yes, we all commit sins, until some of us learn wisdom. And the Lord gives us space in our lives in which to repent. It is part of His grand plan that we are put through trials and tribulations and presented with good and evil so that we might choose for ourselves, so that we might be measured for our eternal estates according to our deeds done while on the earth. Deeds both good and evil that some of us might become joint heirs with Jesus Christ.
Have you ever considered how difficult it was for our Heavenly Father to send us here, knowing how many he would lose. The idea that one of the great ones rebelled,and took so many with him, and my children are doing the same.2 out of 5 stayed with the gospel. We have to be proven, and by that I mean really tried, to find what we will do , where our heart really is who we really are and where we will be comfortable. The Lord will give us all he can , He wants, us to choose Him, our Father. He gave us guides and rules but we must choose. Its the only way to know who we are. The heavenly abodes must be really worth all the pain and heart break. Father wants us to find out who we are. Satan is such a deceiver. Why would we choose him?
@@Jan-wd1is Yes, as a mother you can sense how our heavenly parents felt about the rebellion and having to test their children in this telestial world run by thieves and robbers. Just keep praying for your wandering children. God has a plan of salvation for them too. Many of God's sheep who appear at this time even openly hostile to God, may turn out one day to be His most valiant soldiers. Look at Paul for an example. Imagine how the first Christians felt when their worst enemy and persecutor suddenly came to their side. It took many of them quite a long time to warm up to Paul, yet Paul became the most successful missionary in history. One of the saddest days in my brother's life and mine was when his two daughters told him they were atheists and one said some really harsh things about religion. Look also to the sons of Alma in the book of Mormon who became open enemies to the church until God worked his wonders on their hearts. You just have to keep praying for them. The Lord is the Redeemer of all people who are willing to be redeemed. In His due time, even those in hell will be delivered. God has decreed that the rebellion of Lucifer can never be repeated. He has also decreed that he will never deny us our free will. That is why this test which is our mortal life is so necessary. If we are redeemed to become Joint heirs with Jesus Christ and there is no end to our lives, then it stands to reason there is also no end to our works, no end to our knowledge and no end to our learning. With such great knowledge also comes great power. The power to create is also the power to destroy. God will never allow such knowledge to fall into the hands of the wicked who might start another rebellion against the institutions of heaven. Only those who surrender their will completely to the will of the Father and purge themselves of all evil and regard not the will of man. That is why there is also multiple kingdoms and degrees of glory. The glory of the telestial kingdom and the joy that those who will dwell there defies all of our current understanding. But the powers, dominions and glories people in that kingdom will be given, will only be with what they can be trusted with not to abuse.
@@smallhelmonabigship3524 Thank you, it helps so much to see the long term plan, sometimes i.get stuck.in this short myopic earth life. (I loved when President Nelson said that!) Thank you for the eternal view!
Any man who believes that he can rise up because of works and become a god has been deceived by the great deceiver himself. Our God was and is not a man, though HE can be whomever or whatever HE so desires. He did not come down from heaven and impregnate Mary. Jesus was not crucified so that mankind could become gods. These teaching are blasphemy. Joseph Smith was not the prophet of ANYTHING but lies, otherwise why did his prophecies not come true. The Lord doesn't make mistakes. Therefore His word from a prophet would be his own, and would be righteous. The deception of Lucifer is vast, and Jesus is NOT the brother of Lucifer, as Mormonism states. They have banned animations telling the truth about Mormonism. The documentary, The God Makers, is also a telling of their beliefs. No one comes unto the Father but by the Lord Jesus Christ.
*If you watch the movie Interstellar, there’s a planet orbiting a black hole named Miller’s Planet where one hour in it is the equivalent of 7 years on Earth due to the black hole’s gravity. “As stated in The Science of Interstellar, the location of Miller's planet is important. This is due to the fact that time slows the closer to Gargantua (the black hole) that you are. Einsteins' Law of Time Warps apparently explains this”. The Bible mentions that 1 day to God is the equivalent to 1,000 Earth years so I wouldn’t be surprised if Kolob is real since it’s apparently in the centre of the Milky Way galaxy and there’s also a supermassive black hole there. Maybe Kolob is orbiting the supermassive black hole and its gravity makes time there go by so much slower than here. There’s also a mention in the Bible of Satan being thrown into a “bottomless pit”/“abyss” for a thousand years... could that bottomless pit be a black hole? Just some thoughts...*
Those are very interesting thoughts. I never considered it from that angle before, where time slows down in different worlds. It's kind of deep, and I have never been able to wrap my brain around Einstein's theories. A lot of people believe that God took six thousand years to construct the earth, which is six days to God. Joseph Smith wrote: 4 In answer to the question-Is not the reckoning of God’s time, angel’s time, prophet’s time, and man’s time, according to the planet on which they reside? 5 I answer, Yes. But there are no angels who minister to this earth but those who do belong or have belonged to it. 6 The angels do not reside on a planet like this earth; 7 But they reside in the presence of God, on a globe like a sea of glass and fire, where all things for their glory are manifest, past, present, and future, and are continually before the Lord. 8 The place where God resides is a great Urim and Thummim. 9 This earth, in its sanctified and immortal state, will be made like unto crystal and will be a Urim and Thummim to the inhabitants who dwell thereon, whereby all things pertaining to an inferior kingdom, or all kingdoms of a lower order, will be manifest to those who dwell on it; and this earth will be Christ’s." D&C 130. Other people here have pointed out that Kolob means heart in ancient Hebrew. It would be a fitting name for the heart of the galaxy.
Not only that the black hole could be outer Darkness it speaks about for the bastard children called the Sons of perdition. I don't know but it sounds Mighty suspicious. I'm not sure if Joseph Smith wrote down some of this in his visions. Small Helms had something about some of this stuff.
Every planets has a different complete rotation time. Like the Earth one complete rotation is 24 hours and the completion is one year with four seasons. Another planet Are set-up definitely because of their years, using years only compared to our world to measure as a human. If that makes any sense.
I am 79 years old, and read the book of Abraham when I was about 16 - 20 yrs and I've never heard any negative comments about it. A few years ago I read a book called-Kolob Theorem by author Lynn M. Hilton PhD. It's a good read. Science has been puzzled about what lies in the center of the Galaxy and because they can't see whats there because of interstellar dust they think it is a black hole. The book of Abraham tells us there are 15 suns in the center and gives us the names of these suns. Kolob is one of them, and tells us this sun is the nearest to the Throne of God. Other Celestial kingdoms are also in that region, further out are the Terrestrial kingdoms and the fallen worlds like our Earth are on the outer edges. The Lord tells us in the Bible and D&C that when the Lord comes the Earth will move out of it's place and will become a Terrestrial or Garden of Eden sphere for the duration of the coming millennium reign.
Yes. Thank you for your inspiring comment. Eliza R. Snow wrote a hymn along the same lines as what you just said. The first verese reads: Thou Earth, wast once a glorious sphere Of noble magnitude, And didst with majesty appear, Among the worlds of God. The last verse reads: And thou, O earth, will leave the track Thou hast been doomed to trace; The Gods with shouts will bring thee back To fill thy native place. We truly live now in a telestial world. Our world is run by thieves and robbers. Honest people mostly finish last. But in the coming millenium when the Savior returns it will be a terrestrial world. Thieves and robbers won't prosper in that world as they do here. As for the thieves that rule this world, when this world ends so does their reign. This is what they aspired to, and this is all they will get.
Hmmmm.....15 suns. Hmmmm...12 apostles + plus the 3 in the presidency. Hmmmm... Nah, that can't be a revealed pattern like so many others right? 3 parts to the brain+ 12 main vertebrae at the top of the spine which are the vertebrae that GOVERN all the life keeping bodily functions like heartbeat, breathing, liver, kidneys etc... Personally I think its a safe bet.
Thank you so much for this video! I learned a lot about Kolob and the wisdom of God. We need to have a humble heart and an open mind to understand the things of God. I love this Gospel and I know it's true. From São Paulo Brasil 🇧🇷🇧🇷🇧🇷
Thank you for the thoughtful reply. And greetings to Brasil from the United States. Modern science has been so hijacked by atheists, the world has lost sight of the fact that the knowledge revealed to the world by Joseph Smith is not only the gospel truth, it is the most scientific.
0:08 is so relatable thinking about the perspective of Kolob. How did I never notice this before?? When I try to always remember Him, I imagine where the Father and the Son dwell now. Somewhere in outer space near Kolob. This has stuck with me like knowing the back of my own hand and I think of or remember as often or sure of what my extended family going about their lives.
I'm sure that this is a typo, but you start by stating that Kolob is a planet. The Lord in the book of Abraham goes to a lot of effort to explain to Abraham about his creations of the heavens. The Lord starts with the earth, then the Moon and Sun and continues on all the way back to Kolob- which Jehovah explains is part of a 3 star cluster in his Celestial Realm. Kolob he explains; is the greatest of all Stars/creations and rotates one time for every 1000 years of human history. He also explains the humongous size of Kolob, which sounds like it could swallow our solar system.
A planet as big as a solar system must have a hell of a gravity attraction. Sounds like humans might end up in pancakes. That said: you might want to watch Battlestar Galactica, I feel it does a better job in talking about the "Kolob/Kobol" story than the bible does.
Here is something to ponder. Why is the North Star and the Big Dipper inscribed on the Salt Lake Temple? During the "Underground Railroad" days where they used the North Star to guide them at night one of the songs sung went like this: "The star where God lives is the star that will lead us to freedom." North Star = Kolob perhaps?
i didn't know that. I have always suffered for lack of understanding of the symbolism on the temples. Do you have any references where I can look that up?
If you read the Kolob Theorum and the Pearl of Great Price you would probably think more along the lines that Kolob is in the CENTER of our galaxy where the largest and slowest rotating stars are located that GOVERN our solar system.
@MF F I believe the path to the Terrestrial Kingdom passes near the nebula that is in the constellation of Orion. There is a "trail" of stars that brings you to the great dust barrier, or veil, that prevents us from looking into the center of our galaxy. If you look at galaxies you will notice they are white in the center, then red as you move away from the center, then blue on the outer arms (where earth is). I believe those colors are representative of the three degrees of glory. Their are two great walls of dust in our galaxy. One between the white and red, one between the red and blue. The closer you get to the center, the greater the brightness (glory). My personal belief is that Kolob exists in an orbit around the greatest star in the center of our galaxy.
@@stephenbrown9370 Yes. I have often wondered that. I believe Kolob is a system that is much more than a star or a planet and that it governs the stars and the worlds to which our own world belong. Moses was created on Kolob in the pre existence.
Reply to Jan. Mmm, my own two and my sister too...have walked away...it is heartbreaking. I am alone. But we have the promise of the Lord. Still they use their own choice...😪 Affection..x
I was baptized into the church at 18. Noe at 32 I have been astray & even searching into other "religions"/teachings. Been researching how we are starseeds from alien races on other planets. And it's the LDS teaching of Kolob that actually is leading me to believe our faith even more! The more I search into science & astronomy, it's actually leading me back to the church. What other church goes into teaching about planets, other Gods, etc. We have the fullness of that knowledge.
More frequent references to your scriptural sources would have been helpful. Otherwise, quite fascinating! As to the various comments, "opinions are like noses: everybody has one." As for myself, I'm still on "Universe 101".
When the earth passes away in one thousand years it is written in D&C 130 it will become a globe of glass and fire in it's immortal state. It says the angels who are resurrected being currently reside on such a sea of glass. We do not know exactly what that is. We do not know whether or not the sun in our solar system is an immortal state itself yet. Another problem is we should not tie these truths as have been revealed to us to any contemporary theories of the universe as many here want to do. The theories about black holes, warping of time etc. whether they exist or not, what they do etc. has changed significantly in the last fifty years. These theories are a moving target, and just creates instability in our ways if we try to tie our beliefs into that.
Kind of gives me a little peace. When u think of "forever", one day, then another then another going on got forever seems mindblowing. But if 1 day is 1000 years, makes it a little easier to think of. The 1000 (or I'd it 3000) years itll take when we leave til Jesus comes back to rule this world; does that mean itll actually only take a day? Ugh my brain hurts lol
James 1:5. Start there but be ready for Our Father rewarding any HONEST and earnest prayer with TRUTH even IF you don't think you're ready for it. BEST next step after THAT - call some Mormon Missionaries. They'll help you to come to an understanding of the TRUTHS Our Father reveals to you as a result of those prayers. But be READY - God will NOT be mocked. Ok- ALL the BEST in your journeys ! - C.
Best way I heard it described was; we are made in the image of God. So if God is a being, he must live somewhere right? In fact, the more I learn about new age spirituality; how we are "starseeds" from alien races on other planets, the more I believe mormon doctrine about possible other planets, other Gods over other worlds, etc. Thank you for being optimistic. We should all look at our similarities in religion instead of judging on differences.
You touch on a subject that is near and dear to my heart. Consider this for thought. What if, instead of us being "star seeds" from another planet, what if we are the very eternal beings from other planets? I hope you are open minded enough to let me philosophize a little. Most people can't accept it. LDS Scripture teaches that we are put on this earth to be tested in our choice between good and evil. We are tested because knowledge is power. The knowledge and power to create is also the power to destroy. God has said that the security of the heavens demands that the rebellion of Lucifer can never be repeated. It is a great responsibility to have great knowledge, and it cannot be shared with just anyone, or there would be chaos in the universe. Our heavenly parents created us, and they love us more than we know. They want us to be with them for all time, and even to be like them. They want us to know what they know, and love like they love. They want us to eventually be members in their society and inhabitants on their world. But we can't be unless we can demonstrate we are capable of belonging there. So in order to more fully test us, our heavenly parents put us on this tiny world on the outer edges of this galaxy. They withheld our memories from us, about who we really are, and also what and who we know. They did it because they want to know how well we can be trusted. They gave us the freedom to do good things and even to do terrible, unthinkable things according to our desires. They want to see if it is in our nature without knowledge to love each other, and to do good to one another, or if it is our nature to hate and destroy. So this short temporary life is a necessary rite of passage for us, for far greater things. Throughout our life here, we are presented with a wide variety of circumstances, each with a choice to make. Our heavenly parents have asked us to do what they wish us to do, and then give us the freedom to decide whether we want to do it or not. They have given us earthly parents. They want to see if we are capable of loving and obeying them, even though we know they are far from perfect. If we cannot do that, then how can we demonstrate we can love our heavenly parents of our own selves? They have given us dominion over the animals. They want to see if we love and care for the animals, or if we are cruel to them, and kill them. For if we can't be trusted to take care of the animals, then how can we be trusted to be kind, just and loving kings and queens over people? They want to find out if we covet the possessions of our neighbors, who are our fellow brothers and sisters. They want to see if we will rob and steal from them, and even kill them to get their gains for ourselves. When our lives are over, we are evaluated for how well we did on the test. On this rite of passage for greater things. Every thought, and every action in our entire lives is evaluated, just as if they are our answers to questions on a test. For those that have demonstrated in their test they love their neighbor as themselves, and they love their God, they become joint heirs with their brother Jesus Christ, and inherit all the fullness of our heavenly parent's kingdoms which exceeds all imagination of the heart, and all calculation of the mind. When we look into the night sky we can only catch a tiny glimpse of what those kingdoms have in store for us, where God shares the secrets of the universe with us. "9. For man have I created that he might have joy hereafter, even to partake of the joys of eternity, which exceed all imagination of the heart and all calculation of the mind. And I would that he might inherit the powers of endless dominion, and not that he might have misery. And for this cause do I call men to repentance." For those who don't do well on the test, they too will experience a fullness of joy in God's due time according to the kingdom in which they are sent. But where God and His angels dwell, they can never be. Worlds without end.
God is a elloim and there are a numberless of them in kolob, yadins is superior hierarchy in relation elloims, in the cosmos knowledge correspond to power and good it's a hierarchy title the original source correspond to primordials placed nearing by universe six.
Good presentation but the Title lead me to expect more mention of Kolob....eternal life is great and all .... I was just expecting something different....
It is. As stated in the book of Abraham. It is the star nearest to Gods throne in heaven. I am surprised at how many people say it's a planet. But it was God the father who was talking to Abraham who told him that Kolob was the great governing star that was nearest to his throne in heaven. And that one rotation of Kolob, or a day, was 1000 years.
@@hanalei412002 Yes. Stand ye in Holy places and be not moved. The great tribulations and the abomination of desolation are shortly upon us. This telestial world which has long been ruled by thieves, robbers, liars and killers is dying. As the earth was once baptized in water, it is about to be baptized in fire and reborn into a terrestrial world, ruled only by honorable men. In one thousand years, the earth itself will pass away and be resurrected into an immortal celestial state. It will become a sea of glass.
What about the explicit counsel of President Nelson to refer to the church by its full name: The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints? Cool content, but something is off-center with you for ignoring the prophet and the current preferred style of writing and speech within the body of the church. Not subscribing.
He isnt LDS. Anyone who isnt a part of the church is going to co Tue to call is the mormon church or mormon religion. As much as we can teach them to say otherwise, that's all we can do. But its ppl like this guy who at least have an open mind when reading our doctrine, who will change. Until we have the respect we deserve (which in our gospel it says til the end days we will continue to be persecuted for our faith), they will continue to be ignorant & call it the mormon church. All we can do is tell the truth about hoe our church is based on Jesus Christ, not mormon.
(I) know these things are true. I know by the power and influence of the Holy Ghost. If this information doesn’t make you want to be a really good person on Earth I don’t know what would. Thank you. 👍🏻
We are open minded, that's why we ask a lot of questions and have doubts. We don't just believe right away, We remain skeptical at all times. Close minded people are those who believe 100 percent without any doubts.
Yes, I agree with that. I would say it's healthy to have doubts to a point. But there are many things in life, that when you come to know it, you just know it is true. . If you are open minded, then consider the Book of Mormon that the Book of Mormon dedicates a chapter to the very subject you brought up. Just read through it for a few minutes and see if you are open to an experiment: "27 But behold, if ye will awake and arouse your faculties, even to an experiment upon my words, and exercise a particle of faith, yea, even if ye can no more than desire to believe, let this desire work in you, even until ye believe in a manner that ye can give place for a portion of my words. 28 Now, we will compare the word unto a seed. Now, if ye give place, that a seed may be planted in your heart, behold, if it be a true seed, or a good seed, if ye do not cast it out by your unbelief, that ye will resist the Spirit of the Lord, behold, it will begin to swell within your breasts; and when you feel these swelling motions, ye will begin to say within yourselves-It must needs be that this is a good seed, or that the word is good, for it beginneth to enlarge my soul; yea, it beginneth to enlighten my understanding, yea, it beginneth to be delicious to me. 29 Now behold, would not this increase your faith? I say unto you, Yea; nevertheless it hath not grown up to a perfect knowledge. 30 But behold, as the seed swelleth, and sprouteth, and beginneth to grow, then you must needs say that the seed is good; for behold it swelleth, and sprouteth, and beginneth to grow. And now, behold, will not this strengthen your faith? Yea, it will strengthen your faith: for ye will say I know that this is a good seed; for behold it sprouteth and beginneth to grow. 31 And now, behold, are ye sure that this is a good seed? I say unto you, Yea; for every seed bringeth forth unto its own likeness. 32 Therefore, if a seed groweth it is good, but if it groweth not, behold it is not good, therefore it is cast away. 33 And now, behold, because ye have tried the experiment, and planted the seed, and it swelleth and sprouteth, and beginneth to grow, ye must needs know that the seed is good. 34 And now, behold, is your knowledge perfect? Yea, your knowledge is perfect in that thing, and your faith is dormant; and this because you know, for ye know that the word hath swelled your souls, and ye also know that it hath sprouted up, that your understanding doth begin to be enlightened, and your mind doth begin to expand. 35 O then, is not this real? I say unto you, Yea, because it is light; and whatsoever is light, is good, because it is discernible, therefore ye must know that it is good; and now behold, after ye have tasted this light is your knowledge perfect? 36 Behold I say unto you, Nay; neither must ye lay aside your faith, for ye have only exercised your faith to plant the seed that ye might try the experiment to know if the seed was good. 37 And behold, as the tree beginneth to grow, ye will say: Let us nourish it with great care, that it may get root, that it may grow up, and bring forth fruit unto us. And now behold, if ye nourish it with much care it will get root, and grow up, and bring forth fruit. 38 But if ye neglect the tree, and take no thought for its nourishment, behold it will not get any root; and when the heat of the sun cometh and scorcheth it, because it hath no root it withers away, and ye pluck it up and cast it out. 39 Now, this is not because the seed was not good, neither is it because the fruit thereof would not be desirable; but it is because your ground is barren, and ye will not nourish the tree, therefore ye cannot have the fruit thereof. 40 And thus, if ye will not nourish the word, looking forward with an eye of faith to the fruit thereof, ye can never pluck of the fruit of the tree of life. 41 But if ye will nourish the word, yea, nourish the tree as it beginneth to grow, by your faith with great diligence, and with patience, looking forward to the fruit thereof, it shall take root; and behold it shall be a tree springing up unto everlasting life. 42 And because of your diligence and your faith and your patience with the word in nourishing it, that it may take root in you, behold, by and by ye shall pluck the fruit thereof, which is most precious, which is sweet above all that is sweet, and which is white above all that is white, yea, and pure above all that is pure; and ye shall feast upon this fruit even until ye are filled, that ye hunger not, neither shall ye thirst. 43 Then, my brethren, ye shall reap the rewards of your faith, and your diligence, and patience, and long-suffering, waiting for the tree to bring forth fruit unto you." Alma Chapter 32 The Bible also talks about a mustard seed. "Another parable put he forth unto them, saying, The kingdom of heaven is like to a grain of mustard seed, which a man took, and sowed in his field: 32 Which indeed is the least of all seeds: but when it is grown, it is the greatest among herbs, and becometh a tree, so that the birds of the air come and lodge in the branches thereof." Matthew 13.
You should not remain skeptical at all times. Just as God exists SO DOES satan. he is real....!!! ..just no body no family no future. All he does is try make us be dirty disgusting ashamed lost ..no plan no future. God can give YOU EVERYTHING...XX
thank you for this video.. our father in heaven loves us so much. he sent hi only begotten son even the lord Jesus christ to atone our sins.. kolob is real. I testify that they are real and that father in heaven and his son Jesus christ lives! I say these things in the name of my master even Jesus christ my redeemer amen.
There is no proof of kolob except in joseph smiths pearl of great price. You cant testify clearly that something exists since it is a second hand witnesses at best. And if Joseph smith is a prophet than its worse. Cause he testified other men saw it. He didnt
I enjoyed the video. read all the comments and thought to myself , to much bickering back and forth about things that have nothing to do with our salvation.
I think there are a lot of members of the church that know that there are people on other planets. I have read it Brigham Young or the Prophet Joseph Maybe has made comments about that. Used to think about it as a child and wonder what kind of animals were on the different planets everytime I heard about aliens coming to Earth it made me laugh because I thought they would look just like me.
Ppl think it's crazy to think that our God is a being who may also live on another planet, who also may have a God above him, that there are other planets ruled by other Gods, etc. Yet in "new age" spirituality they believe we are "starseeds" (similar to mormon belief that we were spirit beings before this life) who came from other planets; a galactic federation of ruling beings, etc. Its a lot more similar than ppl think. The more I research into spirituality, conciousness, starseeds, etc, the more I actually do believe in my "mormon" faith.
Thank you, For your efforts....nevertheless I am pained because so much more has been given through the Spirit..which is available through the light that shineth in the darkness. When one arrives at the station to comprehend that light, then one can see that the discussion regarding Kolob also makes very clear why the dimensions of the city of New Jerusalem are accurate. It also conforms to known laws of light, gravity and transmission of data. Then you will understand why Kolob is nigh unto the presence of God ( now).... as His presence will be nigh unto earth in the future. These observations will sound like a person pounding on an empty drum to ALL THOSE who do not yet comprehend this " light that shineth in the darkness ". Only he who has ears to hear will hear. HEBEL EST OMNIS ADAM
I'm not sure that it's useful to maintain the traditional Christian notion that the earth was created six thousand years ago. I expect that needs to go the way of the earth-centric model of the universe.
I like the explanation that Joseph Smith gave that the universe is ageless or eternal, and the earth was constructed six thousand years ago out of elements that are eternal. I know it conflicts with the beliefs of modern academia, but that doesn't put it out of harmony with any known facts.
I would agree if they handn't found soft tissue in a Triceratops horn, not to mention I witnessed dino tracks in limestone right next to human footprints with my own two eyes. Science is great but they're finding out more and more that change didn't come by erosion, but rather cataclysm, and though the stones on this old rock may be 7 billion yrs. old, that doesn't mean this orb has been here as such for that long. This planet is the wreckage of other worlds in a telestial space, clinging to the SPIRIT of mother earth. That spirit will shuck this shell and take on its eternal elemental body as soon as she has fullfilled all righteousness. Look at the writings of Joseph Fielding Smith and Brigham Young, to name only two of many. This earth was spiritually born in orbit around Kolob. It transversed space to the outer rim, where it fell into orbit around Sol and was "born" into a telestial habitat. She was baptised in the days of Noah, she will receive the baptism of fire and the Holy Ghost when Christ returns. She will return to the center through terrestrial space during the Millennium, at the end of which will be a final judgement for those raised during the Millennium after Satan is losed for a season for the final battle. She will die at the veil between terrestrial and Celestial, and be resurrected as a globe like unto a sea of Crystal surrounded by the wonders of the Celestial Kingdom with all those on board who received a celestial glory.
@@stephenbrown9370 Thanks, Stephen, those are good points worth considering. I also found Eric Skousen's book "Earth: In the Beginning" an interesting and thought-provoking read. There are a lot of puzzle pieces I haven't been able to fit together - you mention a few of them. One of the pieces that, at least in my mind, leans toward the directed evolution approach of Skousen is earth's geological layering. It's hard to imagine how other worlds could be broken up and the resulting chunks re-assembled in such a coherent fashion. I'm anxious to see the "movie" and understand how it was all done, but I'll be the first to admit that I don't know the answers. I won't be surprised either way. What I expect will be surprising is when we find out we're all off the mark.
Another possibility... the creation of the earth took a very long time... we also don't know how long Adam and Eve were in the garden.... we do know that since they left the garden we began the dispensations. 6 of them are complete and we are un the first of the 7th
The stuff about space is most confusing to me. One question(im not fully relying on your answer if you answer, but it would be cool): if there are more of God's children all over space, would that mean we have an infanet number of brothers and sisters? It just seems like a huge question to me. Its kinda scary to think maybe there is, but at the same time, maybe its less lonely. It might make me feel like i am very unspecial but maybe not, i dunno🤷♀️🤷♀️🤷♀️
That is a deep question. I never thought of that before. I don't know. The only way to get an answer to such a question would be to pray about it. The Pearl of Great Price says the spirit of Moses was created on Kolob, if I remember correctly. Your question is certainly possible, and even probable, that we are all one big family. My dad used to comfort me by telling me when the ten tribes return there will be new friends to be made, and a people where women and men could find their spouse. There is no end to knowledge in the universe. But for us here in this life, there is a limit placed on our knowledge. Our memories of our past existence have been withheld from us, so we can be tested. We are candidates for something so grand and spectcaular, the scripture says it exceeds all imagination of the heart and all calculation of the mind. This life is our test for our worthiness to take on something so grand we can't even imagine it. We look into the night sky and see all the endless stars and other worlds, and all we can do is wonder what is in store for us if we live for it and pass the test.
Brigham Young said " there was never a time when there wasn't a God. Joseph Smith said "as man is God once was, as God is man may become. Jehovah was a spirit before coming to THIS earth to be born of flesh and bone. He couldn't be perfect like the Father until he did. Jesus WILL become a "God the Father" just like his Father did. Does that help? Though God's works are without end, they are not concurrent within one giant sphere or else there would be boundaries to infinite space. Joseph Smith said eternal life has the same sociality which exists here only coupled with eternal glory. You have a father, your father had a father his father had a father clear back to Adam who was born spiritually first to to the same heavenly parents as Jehovah then placed into a body made of the dust of this particular earth. It's all a type and shadow of something bigger. God the Father has a God the Father and so on Infiniti or at least back to the point where pure intelligence decided being clothed with element was a good way to express itself. Yes, we only have one God the Father, but that doesn't mean HE didn't have a God the Father. I hope this helps.
@@starlegends3092 there are many truths which are obscure and require the gift of the spirit to understand them. Before you receive meat, you must receive milk. Joseph Smith was the first Prophet of this last dispensation. As he said "As man is...GOD ONCE WAS. As God is...MAN MAY BECOME".
It seems you have an unwarranted low opinion of members of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints.(that's the name of the Church, not Mormon, remember? Ppl need to use the name Christ used foe His Church. Christians will get used to it) .It was much of this idea, that ppl not "Saved" would go to "hell" that caused me to join the Church, the beautiful all incompassing plan of Salvation for the living and the dead, and the beautiful reality of worlds without number. Also, the long quote towards the end, around 12:22 what is the reference?
The primary reason I say Mormon, is because my desire is to engage everyone, and when i say Mormon, everyone knows exactly what i am talking about. Believe it or not, when I say LDS Church, or Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints, or not every one knows for sure who I am talking about. When I was a kid, the Church seemed to frown on using the name Mormon. I could be wrong, but I think it was President Hinckley who gave a talk where he said when he was young he asked why the world refers to the Church as Mormons. His parents or his bishop or somebody said that is the term the world gave to the church because that is the name of the book of Mormon. Then he was reminded of what a wonderful name Mormon is. I would agree with that. I love to think how it is the name of one of the great prophets and leaders of the covenant people of God recorded in the book of Mormon. This land is a promised land of inheritance to the descendants of the Lamanites and Nephites, and once the times of the fullness of the Gentiles are fulfilled, God will once again more fully graft in the natural branches to the ancient tree of Israel, and give the Lamanites, the seed of Joseph of Egypt, this land for their inheritance. And the Lamanites shall blossom as the rose. I have always liked the name Mormon For several years the Church said it was okay to use the name Mormon, recently they seemed to have switched back and said people shouldn't say that name. I am sorry, but I am who I am, and I don't follow trends very well. It was the same way with the first century Christians. That name Christian was apparently given to them by the world as a form of mockery, and that is what they came to be know by. If the world today likes to mock at the name Mormon, then I am not ashamed of being called that. I will take it as a badge of honor.
@@smallhelmonabigship3524 l understand completely, but when so many ppl think we worship J.Smith and not Christ, it does help clarify whos church this is. With me, coming from a Baptist background, I loved saying the name of the church, it reminded me who we worship. I really do understand about relating to ppl who know us as Mormons, we have been asked to talk more about Christ, so we are known as Christians. I appreciate your channel and the work you've put into it. This was a beautiful explanation of eternity. Thanks. You answer negative comments with more patience than I have.
@@Jan-wd1is Thank you. You may have noticed that when contemporary Christian groups like the Baptists refer to the Church, they will say the name "the church of the latter day saints." They will deliberately leave out the name Jesus Christ when they say that. They do it to deceive people and keep them in ignorance. They have always done tactics like that and they always will. Once you properly correct them on one point they will figure something else out to say. It is just the way it is with them. The Book of Mormon says the name Jesus Christ in it per page at least as often as the New Testament does. Anyone who wishes to investigate that for themselves will quickly realize that.
@@smallhelmonabigship3524 So true, I hadn't noticed that before. I put up with alot of anger and misunderstanding from my parents and extended family when I joined the Church.After my father died he came to me in the Temple and asked me to forgive him. There is always hope.😄
@@Jan-wd1is Wow! What an inspirational story. It must have been tough. We can take comfort knowing that God has exhausted the possibilities of the natural world to give people opportunities to be saved. Even after we die, the work of redemption does not end for us. That is why we have baptism for the dead. Jesus is the Redeemer of all people who are willing to be redeemed. Isn't it interesting also how God makes us all dependent upon each other for our salvation, even though we are all flawed, sinful, cruel and often irrational beings. We still depend on each other for our salvation. We are all still the children of Adam and Eve. We must all go through the process of conversion, repentance, baptism and ultimately redemption. In the Bible, when the Jews rejected the Savior, He sent His disciples who were all Jews to all the nations round about to convert the Gentiles. The Gentiles often hated them and put many of them to death, but in the end many thousands of gentiles were converted and redeemed from their sinful nature. We see the same thing happening today.
Mormon should strive for the alien believer member. Because vastly more people believe in aliens than Mormonism. But that is also the case for a flat Earth and Bigfoot for Abel's brother Cain as you guys would like to 😮say
Your continual attempts to scoff at that which you don't understand shows yet again you are not a Christian. You don't know what it means to be one. "3 Knowing this first, that there shall come in the last days scoffers, walking after their own lusts," 2 Peter 3:3
@@smallhelmonabigship3524 What are you talking about? First, according to the LDS, KOLOB is a STAR, isn't it? NOT a planet? So aren't you the scoffer? Secondly, Gary Larson was a known Mormon, BattleStar Galatica was his TV show. This is HIS fiction. Thirdly, the LDS can't get their story straight on the matter.
He had me at " when God created Earth 6,000 years ago " This explanation makes it so logical and easy to understand ! I don't know how anyone could even deny this spiritual truth. I guess the deniers will realize the flaws in their logic when they are burning in hell😂😅😂
I have just discovered and subscribed to your channel. I wonder who you are? I urge you to use the correct name of the Church and it’s members as directed by President Nelson.
Joseph Smith liked to play word games as a joke on all the people he duped. Moroni = moron, Deseret = desert, Kolob = bolok = "bollocks", etc etc etc. Pretty funny actually.
The term "moron" is actually a 20th century invention by the evil eugenics movement to classify classes of people they deemed as unfit to reproduce. These eugenicists possibly chose to use that term, because it sounds similar to Moroni. Because these people were hateful monsters. People did not use that term in the 19th century. If you knew the real history of that word, and you were even remotely decent, you would be ashamed, ASHAMED to ever use it again. But it seems people like you have no shame. There is a sickness in your soul. And it has you consumed with hate that you must come here to mock.
Folks- James 1:5. Start there but be ready for Our Father rewarding any HONEST and earnest prayer with TRUTH even IF you don't think you're ready for it. BEST next step after THAT - call some Mormon Missionaries. They'll help you to come to an understanding of the TRUTHS Our Father reveals to you as a result of those prayers. But be READY - God will NOT be mocked. Ok- ALL the BEST in your journeys ! - C.
Never heard about Kolob but I dreamed on the 21 of sept 2023 That I was at a beautiful place I asked where it was and the word Kolob was shown since I search the meaning of this and this dream
That sounds like a beautiful dream. The Bible says God will teach us through dreams and visions. "17 And it shall come to pass in the last days, saith God, I will pour out of my Spirit upon all flesh: and your sons and your daughters shall prophesy, and your young men shall see visions, and your old men shall dream dreams: 18 And on my servants and on my handmaidens I will pour out in those days of my Spirit; and they shall prophesy: 19 And I will shew wonders in heaven above, and signs in the earth beneath; blood, and fire, and vapour of smoke: 20 The sun shall be turned into darkness, and the moon into blood, before the great and notable day of the Lord come:" Acts Chapter 2 I would appreciate it if you watched my latest video. ruclips.net/video/YidMvohBhU4/видео.html
Hi. I don't have an account set up with either one of those. Facebook was always so heavily into spying and censorship I never wanted to bother with them. If you go to one of my earliest videos like my sabbath day video, I hardly get any views on that one any more. You can even delete the conversation when we are finished. I will be in and out most of today, but tomorrow, I will be around all day.
But even if we, or an angel from heaven, should preach to you a gospel contrary to what we have preached to you, he is to be accursed! As we have said before, so I say again now, if any man is preaching to you a gospel contrary to what you received, he is to be accursed! (Galatians 1:8-9)
I thank that would certainly apply to some of the Baptist preachers tried to condemn the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints. I spoke to several Baptist preachers that hate the church because they lost a lot of members and come to the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints. This is called freedom of religion. And now they want to condemn the Lord's Church for some reason. I just assume it's a money thing.
Yet Chridtiand who says the Book of Mormong, etc is not gospel; they read from the NIV bible which has been changed, translated & edited for centuries. Wouldnt that mean their bible isnt gospel either?
This is the shock that many christians have a hard time with , partly becausr their pastors or priests wont shed the light on it...why ? Are the people truly prepared for the whole truth? Some still cant wrap their head around the idea of plural marriage back in the Biblical days and even when Joseph Smith had to restore the church....heres something to think about ...if we humans are. 40,000 yrars old that would make our Creator 40,000 too but any one with knowledge would see that is a problem because GOD is much older than that , we just know than HE is much older than that..infinite in our language...
Yes. The universe is so immense we cannot even comprehend the wonders we are denied witnessing because we are stuck way out here in the darkness of space on the edge of our galaxy. If our planet was in the center of the galaxy it would be light even at night, as there would be so much to see in the heavens. Modern Christianity has no mechanism where they might understand these wonders . They are so limited in every respect.
@@johnmcintosh2193 He's not its this world that HE created that is .. just because we have "time" here on doesnt mean GOD is operating on time which HE created .. Time is what HE created for us ..
@@johnmcintosh2193 when GOD created man (adam then eve) HE created them adults not babies .. So when GOD created our earth HE created it fully developed which explains the scientific study of it being more than humans which is true , Heavens and earth first then adam then eve.. All Biblical..
That's what led me to the "mormon" religion. I always asked (while sitting in "notmal" Christian faith churches), but where were we before Esrth? Where did God come from? What happens after er go to Heaven? The LDS religion has been the only one to give me those answers.
"I asked the Personages who stood above me in the light, which of all the sects was right (for at this time it had never entered into my heart that all were wrong)-and which I should join. 19 I was answered that I must join none of them, for they were all wrong; and the Personage who addressed me said that all their creeds were an abomination in his sight; that those professors were all corrupt; that: “they draw near to me with their lips, but their hearts are far from me, they teach for doctrines the commandments of men, having a form of godliness, but they deny the power thereof.” 20 He again forbade me to join with any of them; and many other things did he say unto me, which I cannot write at this time." People don't realize that the devil has his own people in charge of every nation and every church. The father of lies is in control of all the information we receive. If they realized this fully, they would embrace the light which God in His mercy brought into the world through Joseph Smith.
@@johnmcintosh2193 Is it not written that God cannot endure the least degree of iniquity? It may not be an abomination in the sight of man, but man's thoughts are not God's thoughts, and man's ways are not God's ways. If the Catholic concept of the Trinity serves to turn away those who are created in the image of God away from the truth, or poison their minds from accepting the truth; then why wouldn't God declare the creeds of men to be an abomination in His sight? If God said it, then who are we to question God?
Thanks Mormons for Battlestar Galactica. Great show! Tho, as someone not finding a higher power necessary for the existence of the universe, I feel like a pantheon with multiple flawed gods is more plausible than a single god.
Yes. I remember that. I have never seen the new version of Battlestar Galactica, so I don't know how close it stayed to the original. I was a small kid in the seventies when the original version came out on ABC. Anyone who was familiar with the more obscure aspects of LDS theology, recognized it borrowed heavily on it. Back then, the whole nation was in frenzy over the Star Wars movie. That series was an effort to capitalize on it. We should all have the free agency to believe anything according to the dictates of our conscience. I believe that God wants that.
@@smallhelmonabigship3524 I got into Battlestart Galactica with the new series, and then accidentally found out Kobol was standing for Kolob. I found it actually pretty close, for instance: there's this small confusion about 2 planets both called Earth. That made little sense to me in the story, but then following the Kolob trail" I found out that the Mormon god calls everyplace with humans Earth. It was exhilarating to find out BSG is actually "Mormons in space". On the "believe" part: well, I'm sorry but I think "believing" is one of the roots of evil. It puts you in a state of mind where literally everything could be true, and at that point, truth loses any value because there's nothing separating false and true statements if not only personal opinion. And personal opinion is very bad while seeking the truth. I personally rather trust overwhelming proof and evidence rather than believing. And overwhelming proofs of the existence of any god have yet to be produced. I personally feel been rational is our duty towards our species and all the humans that were across the tenths of thousands of years of our evolutionary history.
@@un_lucio Battlestar Galactica borrows heavily with names, concepts etc, but as far as getting it even similar to Mormonism it is not even close. If you changed the names, it would be totally unrecognizable to Mormonism. You said: " It puts you in a state of mind where literally everything could be true, and at that point, truth loses any value because there's nothing separating false and true statements if not only personal opinion." That is an interesting statement you made. Because, I bet I am a far bigger skeptic than you. I don't accept anything I was taught in school at face value, until after I found out for myself. And much of what we are taught is not true. I am going to challenge your entire world view, so just consider a few things if you can. In order for life to evolve on the earth for billions of years, the earth would have to maintain a relatively stable orbit around the sun for most of that enormous amount of time. You should look into how satellites in geosynchronous orbit maintain their position. They have little rockets that are fired from time to time to compensate for drift to keep them in position. So if small satellites need to be compensated constantly to maintain orbit. How can the planets and the moons maintain their stable orbits for billions of years by random chance? That is just too much for me to believe. Another thing is the complexity of life. The more we learn about life, the more we realize how complex the engineering is. It could not possibly happen by blind random chance. If you put all the best minds in the world to build something that the human body is capable of they couldn't do it. To create a self aware machine, complete with the ability to process it's own energy, ability to reproduce, and ability to repair itself is so far beyond us, it is not even funny. Next, consider macro evolution. In one hundred years of trying, so far there has never been even one example of empirical evidence to support it. Not one. The entire theory is based on unprovable conjecture. The only way a person can accept it as truth is if they blindly trust the men who invented it and taught it to the world. And it becomes a religion at that point.
@@smallhelmonabigship3524 While been skeptical is good, miss-trusting the whole lot of human discoveries and achievements sounds a bit malicious to me. We go to school to "Stand on the shoulders of giants", like the Latins and later Bernard of Chartres (or Isaac Newton if you are of english influence) have very eloquently stated. I mean I know in the USA someone tried to have schools teaching fibs like creationism or intelligent design, but the danger was avoided thanx to the "Flying Spaghetti Monster" among other things. I'm not gonna give you a lesson in orbital mechanics or astrodynamics. Even tho I do have a pretty good understanding, I'm not qualified to teach it. But very smart and qualified people have gathered an overwhelming amount of facts and proof to be able to explain how it works. You just have to pick up a book, read it and understand it. If you don't understand it, you might be lacking some concepts but fear not: there are for sure more books that can give you what you need so you can make it up the ladder and reach the giant's shoulders. It's a process, that's all it is. Once humanity realized that using divinities to try to explain everything kept falling short, some of us found a better way to investigate and find how things actually are and work. That's all what science (from the Latin word Scientia, literally meaning "knowledge"): a framework to investigate reality that helps us shed our biases as much as possible, and compensate for the shortcomings of our senses. And it doesn't care about your (or anyone else's) opinion or how you feel about it, it only cares about facts. Even if those facts refute your thousands of years old desert-dwellers stories. And the best part is: everybody can independently verify it and confute it, provided you supply enough evidence and someone else doesn't independently confute them through the same process. And it works, making predictions and enabling us to create the very tech we're enjoying right now. There's a reason why with the rise of COVID 19 we called up scientists and not priests. Because prayer doesn't work, it never did it never will. Medicine, on the other hand, well, it's saving our butts over and over. And please let's not open the miracles can of worms, that would just be silly. The only catch is: of course when confuting something you will be held at the same standard of proof. Let's take the "flat earth" idea for instance and let's hypothesize it could have merit, great now all they need to do is to re-explain everything that came after discovering the roundness of Earth and how the solar system and ultimately the universe works. Yeah, it's a lot of stuff, but if the hypothesis is grounded in reality there will be a way to "transliterate" everything from one model to the other. If it doesn't hold, that's a clear indication the hypothesis is wrong. That's a standard of proof, the same process everybody goes through, no exceptions, and the burden is in the hands of who makes the claim, and NOT for the others to prove them wrong. What explains how our solar system came to be and exists only aims to that, reporting and explaining the facts. Incidentally making the "7 days creation" story, not a suitable explanation is just a side effect, not the main goal. Macroevolution is not "something invented by someone", but it was a hypothesis that grew into a theory backed by facts from literally everywhere: from observation of the natural world around the world to the fossil remains, down to the very code of life: the DNA. Denying it in this day and age is not been skeptical, it's just the stubbornness of clinging on the old stories. The truth is out there, and thoroughly and meticulously documented. You just need to pick up enough books and read them. Not just one, A LOT of books. and please don't make the rookie mistake of swapping the cause with the effect: evolution is not engineering nor a design process, it's trial and error, and what works sticks. Even if it's suboptimal, but it works. The earth is not "perfectly made for us", but we're suited to live on it because we grew and evolved on it. Well, until we'll finally make it unsuitable for us to live on it anymore. The planet will not care much about it, it's just our problem. The planet and everything on it will adapt, some will perish, but Earth and life on it will go on and exists even without hairless monkeys. Again: history shows it nicely over and over. But I'm sure people already told you all of that, probably many times over, and you just shrug it off while holding your sacred book. Just as you'll probably try to do with me while simultaneously trying to indoctrinate me. it will not work: I already saved myself from religion once, not planning to have to do it a second time, and for sure not from one of the silliest of christian septs. No thanks :) Especially considering I come from the people that legit invented the original version of christianity: 312-325 AD, Nicea council. You can look that up in the history books if you really care to know more.
@@smallhelmonabigship3524 Consider this: if tomorrow all the books, documents, and memories on the planet would be suddenly destroyed, everything discovered through the scientific process and investigation will be discovered again. If you even care about studying the history of our species discoveries you will quickly notice a pattern: no idea came just to a single person. Just to give you a quick example, the very idea of evolution came to Alfred Russel Wallace at the same time Darwin had it. And it's not a chance, it's a direct product of evidence surfacing at the time thanks to the world exploration going on, and gathering of new data observed in nature around the world. Gottfried Wilhelm Leibniz independently developed calculus at the same time as Isaac Newton, so much it's famous the dispute, and not by chance: times were ripe for that. Study the history of calculus and you'll see it was pretty much inevitable. But if you destroy all the religious traditions hardly someone will come up with the same doctrines and ideas. Perhaps someone will still try invoking some higher power to cause some phenomena they cannot explain, but it will unlikely be your god or anyone else's gods. Look at Egyptians and Aztecs, for instance: they both built pyramids, they both discovered geometry and the rules needed to build such buildings, independently. And it worked for both. But when you look at their pantheons and religions you'll quickly realize they're hardly the same thing. The main difference between "knowledge brought by science" and "knowledge handed down by religion" is as simple as that: the knowledge obtained throughout the scientific process and discovery are universal and universally valid, the knowledge passed down by religious traditions are local to that tradition and once the tradition is gone those ideas are gone. If tomorrow we'd meet aliens from another planet we could use math and our scientific knowledge to create a base to communicate, regardless of how different our way of communicating is. Because gravity is gravity everywhere in the universe, for example. What about your religious book? Do you really expect those aliens to carry the same text you have that it's not evenly spread and accepted among a single planet? And while I agree with you that, unfortunately, some have such blind trust in science to almost make it seems like their religion, again let's not confuse causality here: it's a dogmatic approach that makes their approach to science as a religion, it's a direct consequence of dogma (the broad sense is any belief held unquestioningly and with undefended certainty) been the cornerstone of religion, which is why when belief is on the field objective reality goes out of the window. So yes, even if they invoke science they fall into the same faults as religions, and they're hardly representative of the scientific community. And please, do not confuse pointing you to the literature as anything like invoking a sacred text: there aren't simply enough scientists nor time to give every human a one-to-one full explanation of everything. Science doesn't claim to have the ultimate truth, that's not how it works. Scientists are, directly or indirectly, constantly trying to prove what we already know wrong. That's how knowledge advances: trying to weed out what isn't quite real while consolidating and refining what actually works giving solid explanation and most of all solid and reliable predictions. And yes, we most certainly don't know everything, we're not even close to that, and it's perfectly fine. What is not fine is to quickly reach for "gods", or "aliens", or whatever as an explanation for what we don't know. History nicely showed it, that's why we stopped doing it and why our knowledge and capabilities grew and advanced. Not in spite of religions, but for sake of unbiased, unadulterated, honest understanding. Galileo was a real christian, he really believed in god and everything but the reality he was detecting didn't match the scriptures. He could have buried his head under the sand and claim it a god's mystery. But his intellectual honesty pushed him to find an explanation grounded in reality. He got burned at the stake for it, but despite that "yet it moves" and it always will (well, until the Sun goes Nova, of course, XD) And now it's better I stop because all I came here for was to listen to the story of Kolob from those that are part of that tradition and thank for being an inspiration to a show I found very entertaining, and not to do what a lot of other people already did and better than I can do. Just remember: if you want to be skeptical please do, but when seeking facts always remember to be skeptical about your ideas 1st, and not been skeptical of everything that doesn't conform to your idea. That's the journey I went through and I promise it's worth it. And to this very day, while I trust the current evidence-based models, I'm always ready to change my mind in light of new compelling evidence. Even on the possibility of the existence of higher powers, and just like me all the scientific community because when something new is prooven it means we learned something! :D And that's really the only goal: learning, but the real stuff.
The Bible and the Book of Mormon collide a with one another. Where in 3 Nephi 11:14. Jesus said I'm the God Of Israel and the God of this whole earth. Whereby in the Bible Jesus stated "My kinhdom not of this world" in John 18:36
Of course it is fact the Earth was formed much, much earlier than 6,000 years ago---closer to about 2 billion years. It's perfectly possible there is intelligent life elsewhere on other planets. As for Kolob, a reasonable question must be asked: if we were able to travel on a spaceship to this supposed Kolob, would we be able to meet God himself? If he's living there, then he is a living being, to whom we could introduce ourselves and interact with, right?
I am sure it is possible, but it is totally beyond the knowledge, power and authority of man to travel there. Mormonism teaches that the elements which compose the earth are billions of years old. In fact they are ageless. The elements were neither created nor destroyed. But the earth itself was organized into it's present state about 6,000 years ago. For anyone who bought into the propaganda that the earth was created billions of years ago, it is not physically possible. For example when we put a satellite into geosynchronous orbit, we equip those satellites with rockets. Every few months, they have to fire the rockets so the satellite can maintain a stable orbit. The idea that the earth could have maintained a a stable orbit by random chance for billions of years as if it was some sort of perpetual motion machine defies the laws of probability and physics. It becomes even more impossible to believe considering there are 7 or 8 other planets besides the earth and dozens of moons in our own solar system alone each with their own stable orbits. It cannot happen by blind random chance. It is not possible.
The only thing that leads to salvation is your personal relationship with Jesus Christ; did you pray today? Do you have the spirit? Just something to think about, that's all. :-)
We are supposed to respect and obey the evil sYSTEM but the planets are not flying balloons, one day will know the real truth, but knowing that The Sun & the Moon are closer than 4000 miles from us, that makes me feel a lot closer To Our HEAVENLY FATHER and His Son JESUS CHRIST
There is a lot wrong with your statement. Let's examine them one by one... Scratch that I'll just do it all in one shot. If the Moon and the Sun are only 4,000 miles how do we get solar and lunar eclipses? According to flat earth theory, both the sun and moon rotate around earth at the same height (4,000 miles). Eclipses would be impossible, yet we see them all the time. The moon can not give the light of itself, it has no Luminus properties allowing it to glow. The light we see from the moon is actually from the sun reflecting off of the moon. We also can tell that the moon and the sun aren't in the same orbit when the new moon comes. The New Moon happens when the earth blocks the light from the sun to the moon. By you teaching the flat earth theory you are taking mankind's knowledge that God has given us concerning all these things.
I was a Mormon, ex missionary and faithful… then the true Christ came into my life, the Christ of the Bible. Believe me that, it is a different Christ even though Mormons believe it to be the same. It is only after receiving the true christ, the one that died on the cross for me, it is only then that I came to life after believing a deceitful Mormon doctrine for 35 years. Christ is Lord and I pray that all Mormons will find the true messiah that actually saves.
Okay. Over the course of my life I have had hundreds of conversations and debates with Christians. A great many of them claim they were once Mormon, though judging by their ignorance of Mormonism, I doubt most of them were telling the truth. So far, I have never seen a single modern Christian believe the promise made by the Savior in Mark 16:16-20. Whoso should believe and be baptized shall be saved, and signs of the Holy Ghost follow them that believe. The Bible records that His disciples, healed the sick, raised the dead, cast out devils, survived getting poisoned, prophesied in tongues. Now I can almost guarantee that you don't believe in any such things as promised by the Savior. If I am correct in my assumption, then how do you consider yourself a Christian if you don't believe in the Savior's promise?
I was a Born Again Baptist that went down and gave myself to Christ almost every week, then I found out that there was a lot more answers to the Eternities and those answers didn't come in a corner church but through the everlasting Gospel that was restored through the Prophet Joseph Smith. We are ALL saved from death through the SAME Jesus Christ. There was a falling away after Jesus death, then a restoration later through Joseph Smith through the direction of Jesus Christ and his Apostles. I'm a lot more happy now knowing that my friends and loved ones will not Burn in Hell for all eternity just because they may not have accepted Jesus in this life, there is more after this life and in the Spirit World, there will still be repentance, we will be pre-judged to go to spirit prison or spirit paradise, but there will be a final judgement that will direct us to the mansion God and Jesus have prepared, there is more my Born Again friends! The Gospel the TRUE one has been restored, seek it out and you too will find the loving Jesus that is fair in all his Judgements!
Zach you are not a ex missionary from The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints. Maybe you served a mission someplace else and didn't know it. Because it sounds like you don't really know what you're talkin about. It sounds more like you're from the CIA
Zack you're not a very good liar either. Maybe in another 35 years you'll be a little bit better when you lie. It will take you a long time to figure that out. You will fry in hell for being a liar.🔥 believe me.
I wonder then tho, is the throne of God on a different planet then? Or if the throne of God is a planet or some other thing entirely. I'm LDS & have been pondering more & more into Kolob, where OUR Hesvenly Father came from (its thought in old mormon teaching that He is Elohim, who himself has Havenly parents, goes back farther, etc), where the worlds that we might inherit are, etc.
I love it .is there realy any limit to space? Is there really any limit to Gods glory? The essence or purposes of life is growth and to become and to overcome. A baby can grow up and become an adult. We can repent grow up and become like our Heavenly parents. I am only one and the Father of my children that does not mean that there cannot be more fathers. The same is true with our Heavenly Father He is only one and the Father of our spirit that does not mean that there cannot be more fathers in heaven to. I love it .let's keep Gods grace and love in our hearts and know that He is our Heavenly Father. .is there realy any limit to our potential as real children of real Heavenly parents. I say parents because we all keep our bodies after resurrection. Why come to earth get a body if we can not keep them after resurrection. Truly the essence of life is growth and to become and to overcome. It is our weaknesses that keep us from God. A baby just does not pop into being an adult. It takes time and added responsibility on ourselves to reach our potential as children of Heavenly parents. You could not develop faith if you new everything and if you new everything you would be a God you are not a God but nearther is a baby an adult. Life is soooooooo beautiful. I choose to be happy and grateful that I like king Bengerman says we should even thank God for the air we breath. Loving likes and thanking good people for truth .
Those are excellent thoughts. i really appreciate them. We are on an eternal progression. We progress by degrees. And this life is a test of of our loyalty to judge our worthiness for something far greater, that exceeds all calculation of the mind and all imagination of the heart.
Your information is good but you are not compliant with what President Nelson said. He said that the Lord revealed to him that we should quit calling the members of the Lord's church "Mormons," and not call the Lord's church the "Mormon" church any more, inasmuch as we were nicknamed that by enemies of the Church (because we believe in The Book of Mormon) and going along with those who oppose us by letting them rename the Lord's Church obscures and gives a false impression of the true identity of the Church. President Nelson urged us to quit going along with those who oppose us in the language we use to refer to the name of the Church and its members. He urged us to use the correct name of the Church and to refer to us as members of The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints. And calling our systems of beliefs "Mormonism" is also out of compliance with what he advised us. In this video I lost count of the many times you disregarded that counsel. Where were you when he repeatedly stated and reiterated that? Disregarding the plainly stated directions from the Prophet of God? Did you not hear him promise blessings for complying with that advice? Sorry but that rubs me the wrong way and diminishes the value of your video quite a bit.
My ancestors have been in the Church since almost the very beginning, and through all the generations, they have used proudly the name Mormon, and Mormonism. All of them. As I have already said to others I don't follow trends. I stand with the traditions of my ancestors and make no apologies. As little as just a few years ago, the church had used Mormon.org as their website. Mormon was one of the greatest prophets of all time. If you are going to act offended at me for that of all things, then I do not know what to say. The Savior says in the last days that many will be offended and hate each other. "10 And then shall many be offended, and shall betray one another, and shall hate one another." I hate this modern cancel culture, where everyone is offended at one another for because of their words, and everyone finds reason to hate each other.
@@smallhelmonabigship3524 I never said I'm offended at you, nor do I hate you for anything. I too feel that Mormon was a great prophet, and I too love & appreciate him and honor him. I too don't like cancel culture, and that's not what I am calling for here. I too USED TO proudly use the name "Mormon", until the Lord's living prophet received revelation from the Lord instructing us what the Lord wants us to do regarding the name of the church, the name of the members, etc. I just think it would be good to get in line with what the living prophet has said that the Lord wants us to do, especially when publishing to the public. What he says is no trend, it comes from the Lord, especially when the prophet tells it to us in General Conference. It doesn't matter that I USED TO call myself and other church members "Mormons," when the Lord instructs us through his living prophet to change that policy and practice, I change it, regardless of long-standing traditions and culture. How is refusing to comply with the Lord's instructions being true to anyone's ancestors and their practices, or their sacrifices to cross the plains through hardships to stand up for the principle of revering and obeying revelations from the Lord's living prophets? I think if your ancestors could visit you, they too would tell you to comply with the Lord's instructions through his living prophets regarding this subject. Remember that ancestral pride and tradition were a stumbling block to the Jews in the New Testament, and it cause them also to refuse to comply with the Lord's counsel. I have no hatred nor offense at you, I just have a desire for the general public who encounter your videos to not experience something purporting to defend the faith while ironically going contrary to the Lord's instructions through his living prophet. Best wishes to you.
@@smallhelmonabigship3524 when the Prophet of God says to stop the traditions of men and do what God says, those traditions become a stumbling block and a rock of offense. Do you even realize how APOSTATE you just sounded? There is NO SUCH THING as the "Mormon" church there is only the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints. His Church. His name. And if you're not ok with that, you're not HIS disciple.
The Name Connection, a 1983 LDS scholarly paper… “MORMON-This word could easily have been formed by combining two ancient Egyptian words, mor (“love”) and mon (“established forever”). This would render a meaning of “love established forever.” Further evidence that Mormon is an Egyptian word” Just like Nephi said!! The name Mormon tells us of the eternal love Heavenly Father has for us, and his eternal plan!! I use BOTH names when speaking about the church, they BOTH have merit!
Modern Christians do indeed limit God and man in time and space, but inheriting endless glories through eternal progression deals NOT AT ALL with the Kolob question.
Why not? It all ties together. Think about it. If you believe you are resurrected and if you are saved, then you are immortal and there is no end to your life, If there is no end to your life, there is also no end to your works. It cannot logically be any other way. If you build something on one day , and build something more the day after that, and the day after that an so on into infinity, then there cannot be any end to your works. Sooner or later you will build worlds. Kolob represents the governing institution whereby all of that endless work is performed under the direction and glory of God.
That's what led me from normal Christian faith to the "mormon" faith. While sitting in regular Christian churches I always asked, but where were we before Earth? Where did God come from? What happens after we go to Heaven. The LDS church gospel/church is the only one that gave me those answers. And now as I still research & question more; looking into "starseeds"/spirituality, how we may have came from different alien races on different planets, it actually leads me even more to the "mormon" faith esp with teachings like that of Kolob. That there are other planets with other beings, that God is a being & has to live somewhere, that He came from his own Heavenly parents, etc.
Based on fundamental Christian teachings God created the universe and the stars to show His glory and love for mankind and He made it all only for mankind for signs and seasons. So to say there is life out there would dilute God's love for mankind since He died only for us and created them all only for us. Just so you would know how they think.
Yeah. That is what they believe based not on what the Bible says, but what they have themselves interpreted for everyone else what the Bible says. But it is totally illogical that all of these infinite planets capable of holding life were created just to look at? It defies common sense. It is just like the Nicene Creed. Every modern Christian church in the world lives by various interpretations of the creed. But what is it really? A group of men met in the fourth century under the authority of the old Roman Empire, and after much debate they supposedly reached a consensus. And then forever more, everyone one earth is expected to abide by the officially sanctioned interpretation of the Bible according to popular opinion reached by consensus of the empire or be condemned as a heretic. There is no love in that. It is nothing more than a relic of the ancient Pagan Empire. Today, according to the politicians, the "scientists" of the world have met and reached a consensus about climate change, and a host of other issues, and anyone who dares disagree should be "canceled" as a heretic. Nothing ever changes among the wicked.
Yes, yes, * but "one year of God's time is 1,000 years of man's time". And so, without the use of a slide rule, an abacus, or elliptical Boolean algebra, - or a space-age computer, can it not also be spoken that man's history began ~"6,000 years ago", but "the beginning" of our Planet Earth was "before the dinosaurs"? Sure. / And thank you much for your qualified dissertation.
Having been a product of the public school system myself, I have come to realize about 60% to 90% of everything they teach in school is a lie. The German philosopher Friedrich Nietzche stated famously that God is dead and we have killed him. The whole point of teaching only atheism, macro evolution, eugenics and marxism in schools is to brainwash as many people as possible into rejecting God. If a belief and knowledge of God is misrepresented as being superstitious, mystical, fantastical and "anti-science" and the people believe just a portion of the lie, then they figure they have succeeded in killing God in the minds of the people. And they have succeeded. Probably more than their wildest imagination. The propaganda of the prophesied strong delusion is so powerful. It has swallowed so many billions of minds.
Si nous vivons éternellement? Si nous devenons immortels? Est-il raisonnable qu'il n'y aura pas de fin à nos créations? À quel moment donc, devrions-nous, en tant que fils et filles de Dieu, être considérés comme des dieux?
Looking it up, there are a lot of opinions on time dilation both pro and con. I always figured time would be reckoned differently on other planets because the orbits around their stars would be different. For example, it takes 12 years for the planet Jupiter to orbit the sun, so one year on Jupiter is 12 years on earth.
I don't wanna dispute the existence of other being (extra-terestrial) but saying that Exalted beings will live forever with God the Father and Jesus Christ and THAT EXALTED BEING WILL BECOME GODS AND GODDESSES, the meaning of GOD, NO MATTER THE RELIGION, loses all it's meaning.......just saying....
How so? There are tens of billions of galaxies that we are capable of seeing through telescopes. Each galaxy has tens of billions of stars. If you live forever and you create just one planet around one of those stars, how does that diminish the Godhead who rules the universe? How do they lose their meaning? If anything it adds to their dominion, and yours too.
The philosophies of atheism as endorsed by the establishment are dead to me. They are bad science, they make no sense, they defy all probability, and frankly they are impossible.
@Small Helm on a Big Ship I'm talking pure & absolutely proven science whose experiments and diagnostic results may be replicated and duplicated by any and everyone, no matter their religion, race, or creed. NOTHING, nay not one single aspect of such I spoke has zero to do with atheism and/or philosophies.
And what do you know about it? Have you been open minded enough to study it or tried to understand it? Or do you think merely what others have told you what to think? "for as much as you know that man is formed in the likeness and image of God, who is eternal spirit, you know also that man is eternal spirit, like unto God; and like unto God neither was nor could be created."
Is Kolob in the Bible? Hello? Tell us about "Reformed Egyptian" Tell us about the Book of Abraham (the standard funerary text). Face it, mormonism is an earlier version of scientology.
"25 Thou hast also made our words powerful and great, even that we cannot write them; wherefore, when we write we behold our weakness, and stumble because of the placing of our words; and I fear lest the Gentiles shall mock at our words. 26 And when I had said this, the Lord spake unto me, saying: Fools mock, but they shall mourn; and my grace is sufficient for the meek, that they shall take no advantage of your weakness; 27 And if men come unto me I will show unto them their weakness. I give unto men weakness that they may be humble; and my grace is sufficient for all men that humble themselves before me; for if they humble themselves before me, and have faith in me, then will I make weak things become strong unto them. 28 Behold, I will show unto the Gentiles their weakness, and I will show unto them that faith, hope and charity bringeth unto me-the fountain of all righteousness." Book of Mormon
As a lifelong Mormon, I see at least five incorrect statements this author claims as Mormon beliefs which are NOT. Shame, shame. The lengthy "quotes" from minute 12 to the end are NOT from Mormon scripture, except for the very last quote which mentions Kolob. It is NOT Mormon doctrine that the earth was created 6,000 years ago. The author of this video series is not authoritative.
You said: " It is NOT Mormon doctrine that the earth was created 6,000 years ago. " So why do you say such things? The Apostle Orson Pratt is an authority in the Church. He was called by revelation to Joseph Smith to be an authority in the Church. "We know that it was not six thousand years from the creation to the birth of Christ. How do we know this? God has told us in new revelation that this earth is destined to continue its temporal existence for seven thousand years, and that at the commencement of the seventh thousand, he will cause seven angels to sound their trumpets. In other words, we may call it the Millennium, for the meaning of the world millennium is a thousand years. Six thousand years must pass away from the creation till the time that Jesus comes in the clouds of heaven, and he will not come exactly at the expiration of six thousand years. When the Prophet Joseph asked the Lord what was meant by the sounding of the seven trumpets, he was told, "That as God made the world in six days, and on the seventh day he finished his work and sanctified it, and also formed man out of the dust of the earth; even so in the beginning of the seventh thousand years, will the Lord God sanctify the earth, and complete the salvation of man, and judge all things and shall redeem all things, except that which he hath not put into his power when he shall have sealed all things unto the end of all things, and the sounding of the trumpets of the seven angels is the preparing and finishing of his work, in the beginning of the seventh thousand years; to prepare the way before the time of his coming." This quotation will be found in the Pearl of Great Price" JD 15:264, Orson Pratt, December 29, 1872
Why do you want to say "Mormons" Instead of The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints,,It's what our prophet has told us that Jesus is wanting used now. Not Mormon, for he is a prophet and not the head of the church.
In the first place, I wrote this piece over twenty years ago. Back then, The church encouraged people to use the word Mormon. A man even purchased the website named mormon dot org for something like a million dollars and then donated it to the Church. The Church then used that name as their official website, even promoting it in their commercials. In the second place, since I am not a member of the Church, I never got the memo that the Church had again changed their mind on this name. In the third place, I have received many contentious messages from members angry with me for using that name. Of all the things to get angry about. Of all the evils raging in the world. All of this indignation and cancel culture nonsense from church members over the use of this sacred name seems petty to me. Surprising actually. In the fourth place. since the very beginning of the Church, members from the presidents and Apostles down to the rank and file members have used the name Mormon to describe themselves. It is in nearly every story. To not use that name, I would have to alter everything, and I am not going to do it. I am honored by that name, and I am not ashamed to take it upon myself. If I am the only person in the world to use it, then I am no less honored. I am privileged, if I could stand in such good company as the Saints who called themselves Mormon.
The name of Mormons do not belong to us, only we are allowed to be called through the name of Jesus Christ, and that is who we follow and the name He give us to be call ourselves. That’s what we are allow to call ourselves.
If ppl had any intellect u would know kolob is ancient Egyptian term. Which stands for the star Sirius. Which Sirius was represented by the goddess Soodet, and she wore the 5 pointed star on her head That star is known as a DUAT Which is the underworld!!! U ppl are singing rituals of ancient Egyptian witchcraft Pay attention ! This isn't the only song that doesn't have any kind of godly meaning in it The blind lead the blind Smh
Kolob is a STAR, not a planet. The title of the video destroys its credibility. "Mormon" is no longer an appropriate moniker for Latter-day Saints! The only purpose of the Kolob text was to demonstrate to Abraham in terms the Egyptians would understand how Jesus is the most intelligent in the hierarchy of intelligences just as Kolob is the brightest in the hierarchy of stars. It's not about astronomy!
How do you know that Kolob is not so much more than a star or a planet? Yes, it governs the order of stars which include this sun and this world. But I do not believe it is merely a planet or a star. Yes, I got the point loud and clear about all the people who no longer wish to be Mormons. And I agree, they shouldn't have to be Mormons, if they don't want to be. People who are ashamed by the name should never have to use it again. Since I do a lot of historical readings it is impossible for me to ever disassociate the term with the volumes of books which use the name. But for everyone else who have banished the name from their lives, I totally agree. It is inappropriate to refer to them as Mormons ever again.
@@smallhelmonabigship3524 I perceive your feathers are ruffled. My focus is to help Latter-day Saints improve the quality of their RUclips posts, not to offend. I am proud to be a Mormon but am trying to use "Latter-day Saint" as President Nelson requested in 2018. (see www.yahoo.com/lifestyle/church-president-latter-day-saints-222522194.html) As for Kolob, Abraham wrote, "I saw the stars, that they were very great, and that one of them was nearest unto the throne of God." (Abr 3:2) So, it's a star. But it is indeed more than an ordinary type of star. Because of its massiveness, it must be a black hole. Only a black hole could be the first creation (like Jesus) and still exist today. All fusion stars created at the beginning would have run out of fuel by now. The larger the star, the shorter its life. A star so large that its gravity governs other stars whose gravity governs other stars is too massive to avoid collapsing into a black hole. The Kolob metaphor is this, that just as Kolob, "the greatest of all", governs the movement of nearby stars gravitationally, which in turn govern other stars gravitationally, and so on through the entire galaxy, Jehovah governs the entire creation through a hierarchy of influence. (Abr 3:16-19) Sgr A* (Sgr A star) is the most massive star in the galaxy and lies at the central hub. Michael D. Rhodes, wrote that Kolob, “most likely derives from the common Semitic root *QLB, which has the basic meaning of ‘heart, center, middle.’ In fact, the Arabic form of this word, qalb, is in the Semitic names of several of the brightest stars in the sky including Antares, Regulus, and Canopus”. (Review of Books on the Book of Mormon, p124) For example, Antares, the star at the heart of the constellation Scorpius, is still known in the Mideast as Kalb al Akrab, meaning “heart of the crab”. (constellation-guide.com/antares, DL 20 Feb 2019) Standardization of Arabic transliteration replaced kalb with qalb for heart (kalb now means dog) but the name of the star has not changed. In Hebrew, the word for heart is לב, and for in is ב and together (קלב) they translate to English as Calab, meaning in the heart. (translate.google.com, DL 1 Jun 2018) So, Kolob makes a great Semitic name for the galaxy’s heart star. It's just my opinion, but I recommend you change the title of your video and remake it to explain that Kolob is a metaphor for Jesus at the top of a powerful hierarchy and that the other stars represent all other intelligences that are subject to Him. You might also explain that Abraham chapter 3 is not a lesson in astronomy. Rather, it is what God told Abraham to use in teaching the Egyptians about the Creator. Thus, it reflects some Egyptian beliefs about the cosmos that do not necessarily represent astrophysical reality. And, it wouldn't hurt to show Kolob's and Kokob's linguistical etymologies as per Michael Rhodes' research. I would also cut everything from the video that has nothing to do with Kolob or change the title to reflect the broader scope. People of all walks of life watch RUclips videos. The videos made by church members should be respectable, credible, on point, top notch, and at least have a title that's not incorrect.
@@suedohnim8019 Some of your information is good. Sounds like you need to do a video on it yourself. As for myself, I didn't talk about astronomy at all, except to talk about the enormous size of the universe, and reflect on the teachings of Joseph Smith concerning the age of the earth and the stars. Much of what we think we know about astronomy like the big bang theory(creation by blind random chance), black hole theory, etc. are either based on wild unprovable conjecture, or derived from extremely limited knowledge. The Lord says all knowledge will pass away at His coming, save that knowledge which comes from God. The universe we see is observable. We can see billions of stars, billions of galaxies, and that gives us pause to wonder, and so I talked about it. Most of the opinions and theories of men have limited interest to me. If you don't like my opinions, then I am perfectly okay with people agreeing with me or disagreeing with me. I don't want anybody following me or trusting me. Salvation is an individual work As for you using the name Mormon, if you don't want to use it, then fine, but don't tell others not to use the name. The leaders of the Church are mortal men, just like the rest of us. And just like the rest of us, they have the free agency given them by god to be wrong and commit sin just like the rest of us. A prophet is not a prophet unless they prophesy in the name of the Lord. For everyone to hang on their ever changing opinions as though they are prophecy and shame anyone else who doesn't agree is actually sinful, and gives credence to the enemies of the church who claim the church is a cult. The ability to prophesy cannot happen unless a man has purged himself of all evil as the book of Mormon says.
People who arent in the church are going to contour to call it the mormon church, mormon religion. All we can do is continue to show that our church is based on Jesus Christ, not mormon. But we xant jusge those who still base us on what the world has perceive us as for centuries.
I disagree too. I think Kolob is based on astronomy. And that makes me believe our religion/gospel even more. Cuz then the more ppl turn to science & "away" from God & religion, it makes me believe it even more. It shows that even science can be explained by God & WE (the LDS church) have the fullness of that doctrine/knowledge!
Are you saying that your interpretation of the Bible maintains that God created the visible universe on the fourth day of creation? That doesn't make a lot of sense. My interpretation makes much more common sense. And no, there is nothing blasphemous about disagreeing with your opinion. You don't speak for the Lord. "And God made two great lights; the greater light to rule the day, and the lesser light to rule the night: he made the stars also." Genesis 1:16 It says here that during the creation of the earth, God made "TWO" great lights. The Sun to rule the day and the moon to rule the night. Then it says God made the stars also. That doesn't necessarily mean that on the fourth day of creation God made the sun and the moon and then as kind of an afterthought, God made the rest of the universe, complete with all of the other other planets, and uncounted trillions of other suns in tens of billions of other galaxies outside of this one. All on the fourth day? Where is the logic in that?
Thank you for responding to me. To clear up the confusion, I do mention Kolob being a star in the video. Scoffers, ridiculers and unbelievers most frequently refer to Kolob as a planet in their rants. All of the churches who present Mormonism in a very negative light to their followers, almost always refer to Kolob as a planet. So for people who are ignorant of the subject, they are much more likely to come across the rants of the scoffers than anything that casts the subject in a positive light. So in the hopes of reaching those who are honestly curious about what they have already heard about Kolob, I presented the title as a question: "What about the Planet Kolob?"
I have agree with (Icriedtoday) You clearly state that Kolob is a planet which will only add to the confusion who know nothing about this LDS teaching. Plus it will probably confuse those who do. Further more your title for this vid is misleading since it really doesn’t delve into the particulars of Kolob other than your closing statement where you quote from the book of Abraham. I am sure you had good intent but it is somewhat misleading as to what you want your message to be given the title you chose for this video.
Kolob is a star. Not a planet. 2 And I saw the stars, that they were very great, and that one of them was nearest unto the throne of God; and there were many great ones which were near unto it; 3 And the Lord said unto me: These are the governing ones; and the name of the great one is Kolob, because it is near unto me, for I am the Lord thy God: I have set this one to govern all those which belong to the same order as that upon which thou standest Abraham 3:2-3 Pearl of Great Price Kolob is the main “governing” star that controls other governing great ones. Controlling time as one of their functions. It is the star that is closest to God throne in heaven. Not a planet and he doesn’t live on it. I know what and where Kolob is. But the scientific evidence is scattered and fragmented. When the cosmic microwave background radiation of the universe was measured, Kolob showed up. And three teams where assigned to disprove what they found. The first two teams said that the data was correct. That there was a universe in mass black hole in the lower right corner of the image. This unimaginable object would change everything. It would explain the red shift, dark mater, dark energy the accelerating universe and disprove the big bang. The universe would then be eternal. Always renewing itself in endless eternal rounds. The third team assigned said that it was just a place where our universe bumped into a neighboring one. Yet the data didn't support that interpretation. When papers where written about this scientific ground shaking object they were discredited. Web pages disappeared, and scientist ostracized. Even the location of Kolob in the image taken by the Planck mission is sometimes covered by a cut and paste image, or even the presenter’s thumb. The best paper written about this discovery had to go live in the far corners of the web at cosmology dot com. Where it still exists today but with the title The Sky Is Falling: The Universe is Collapsing in a Big Crunch by R. Gabriel Joseph.
Question! Show it to Me in the bible! Because Joseph Smith has been Proven to be A fraud ! Because GOD the GOD of Abraham Issac and Jacob According to the Bible has never dealt with Joseph Smith or Any other Nation but his people the Hebrew Israelites ( Amos 3:1-2),
Which Bible are you referring to? The Bible that was compiled by the Roman Catholic Church, and for over one thousand years was the only Bible approved for use throughout western Europe. Which is the presently accepted Bible by all western Churches and the only Bible people like you accept today. On the other hand, the Bible of the Armenian Orthodox Church which is even more ancient than the Catholic Church once had the Testament of the Twelve Patriarchs in it. I bet you probably never heard of that book before according to your upbringing. There has also been found fragments of that book among the Dead Sea Scrolls in Israel. The Dead Sea Scrolls predate the Roman Catholic bible by many hundreds of years. The Dead Sea Scrolls also contain the words of Moses that are nowhere to be found in your present Bible. "3 And because my words shall hiss forth-many of the Gentiles shall say: A Bible! A Bible! We have got a Bible, and there cannot be any more Bible. 4 But thus saith the Lord God: O fools, they shall have a Bible; and it shall proceed forth from the Jews, mine ancient covenant people. And what thank they the Jews for the Bible which they receive from them? Yea, what do the Gentiles mean? Do they remember the travails, and the labors, and the pains of the Jews, and their diligence unto me, in bringing forth salvation unto the Gentiles? 5 O ye Gentiles, have ye remembered the Jews, mine ancient covenant people? Nay; but ye have cursed them, and have hated them, and have not sought to recover them. But behold, I will return all these things upon your own heads; for I the Lord have not forgotten my people. 6 Thou fool, that shall say: A Bible, we have got a Bible, and we need no more Bible. Have ye obtained a Bible save it were by the Jews? 7 Know ye not that there are more nations than one? Know ye not that I, the Lord your God, have created all men, and that I remember those who are upon the isles of the sea; and that I rule in the heavens above and in the earth beneath; and I bring forth my word unto the children of men, yea, even upon all the nations of the earth? 8 Wherefore murmur ye, because that ye shall receive more of my word? Know ye not that the testimony of two nations is a witness unto you that I am God, that I remember one nation like unto another? Wherefore, I speak the same words unto one nation like unto another. And when the two enations shall run together the testimony of the two nations shall run together also." - Book of Mormon
Joseph of Egypt, (you do recognize him, right? He prophesied about Joseph Smith, but many truths were removed from the Bible. Open your eyes, what are you afraid of? Maybe truth that contradicts your beliefs now? That is scary! Read Big Helms repy to you, and God, open the peoples eyes, as William Tindale said to King Henry 8th
@@jameswinesgreenspunjhs8954 OK, if you say so. I was raised in a home that believed like you. Christ ran into the same type of people when He taught the Pharisees. He was trying to teach his own, the Jews, who should understand the scriptures and prophecies about the Messiah, but they were blinded by tradition, by appearances, by listening to what the leaders of the synagogue taught instead of reading the words of the Prophets themselves. Modern day Pharisees , and tradition and false teachers are doing the same today.
@@jameswinesgreenspunjhs8954 In Revelation Chapter 11, it says in the end times there will be two great prophets who will prophesy in the streets of Jerusalem for three and a half years, and no one will be able to stop them. Peter also said that in the last days, old men will see visions, and young men and women will prophesy. Whatever will you do when these great prophecies will be added to the Scriptures? It seems that some people are destined to prove the saying true that there are none so blind as those who refuse to see.
Hi there, I am a roman catholic priest, and I took the challenge to watch this video with an open mind. I think you did a great work to explain very clearly the logic behind your faith. For me, altough God goed behind our human limited mind, what we believe about Him should be in some way logic, and even "reachable" with our mind, but not understand Him completely. In that sense, my faith gives also some intelectual satisfaction. Thanks for explaining all this, because I can understand much more that it gives a similar satisfaction, because of the logic of your faith, so you did open my mind to see that there are real alternatives for the traditional Christian view of understand important things..
Good to talk to you. Thank you for this reply, and I agree with what you wrote. If you will permit me a couple of more "Mormon" quotes that come to mind, I would like to share them with you.
This first quote is in reference to Isaiah 11:9
"And then cometh to pass the saying of the Prophet: the earth shall be filled with the knowledge of the Lord as the waters cover the sea. And in that day no man sayeth unto his neighbor, know thy God, for all the children of men which remain upon the earth shall know Him, from the least unto the greatest."
Then there is this quote:
"I say unto you, that the mysteries of the kingdom of heaven are not mysteries of themselves, but are made so by reason of the truth withheld, and revelations denied unto men. For men pervert the truth, even that which is revealed, to make the heavens a mystery and all things therein.."
I do want to say that even though we have numerous disagreements, I want to share some experience my family had with Catholics.
In the 1970s, my parents were actively involved in the Right to Life movement before and after the Supreme Court decision.. Because of this we became very much hated as a family from the people within the LDS Church, as well as the secular people in the community. It was a trying time. The only ones who showed us friendship were the Catholics, who taught us much concerning the subject. I am always grateful for what they have done. Thank you.
Thanks again for your kind response, the last view days I was thinking a lot about your video, about the inmensity of the universe, about how little we really know about it, and the Earth-centerdness of our thinking, while Earth is just a little tiny peace.. So I am trying to understand, and leaving the idea that our Earth is the center of all is a bit scary, because well, many of us are so used to hear how special it is that on our planet Earth life is possible etc.. But at the same time, it is not against traditional Christianism to embrace the idea that there are also other worlds, even with human life. So, I am open to accept this as a possibility, and I Liked the quotes of the Lord's words to Moses, making this clear, but also making clear that He reveals to ús, humans on planet Earth, just what is necesary for our Salvation, that is, what is contained in Holy Scripture, and additional Scripture. (so, in this way, I can understand that when the Bible speaks of creation, it speaks of the creation of out planet Earth, at least I guess that is LDS teaching?)
I also have a question, I would like to know if this your point of view, or if I am wrong, tell me so: planet Earth is the place where Heavenly Fathers Spirit Children receive their bodies, and make progression, to be ultimately Exalted.. Can I say than, that the "other Worlds" the Lord speaks about to Mosiah are the worlds the Exalted spirits inherit? Or is that again top much Earth centered, because in this view, our Earth would be the only place where we could make progresión? (I hope you will see my sincerity to understand, trying to see those things without the limitations of what I am told to belief. I also hope that you can understand that that takes some spiritual and intelectual exercise to do so..
@@woutjewaalre Yes, Thank you. I will try to answer your amazing questions as best I know, as the spirit inspires me. I realize how different this is to your own religion, and know it takes an incredible person to be willing to think outside the box.
To me, every thing has to have a purpose. Everything must be logical and rational. It has to be scientific and follow the rules. There must be a purpose to why we spend so short a time living this life, and we live forever in the life to come. There must be a reason for the devil and why evil exists and we must overcome evil by conquering our hearts. To me, LDS theology gives me all of that and so much more. It is so deep and profound and so richly fulfilling.
Everything that has been revealed to us in this life, is just that knowledge which pertains to this earth. Nothing has ever been revealed concerning any other world other than we are told they exist. We can see that other worlds exist with our own eyes and with our telescopes. We can also see that we are far from the center of it.
"To every thing there is a season, and a time to every purpose under the heaven.' Ecclesiastes 3:1
There is a purpose to all of God's creations. There is a purpose to every world and every planet. All of the uncounted trillions of them. There is a purpose to every life which lives on every planet. There is a purpose to every heaven. They are all God's creations and they were not created just to look at.
In answer to your last question, yes, the earth is the place where we receive our bodies which are created from the elements of this earth. This earth is the place where we are tested in our choice between good and evil, to compile a record of our good and evil works, so we can be judged by that record. I believe that we are currently ordained only for this earth and the heavens associated with it.
We belong to and are created by the same order which created the earth, and we always will be subjects to that order, and that will never change. But it seems natural that at some point in time we will branch out from this earth and we will inherit or even assist the order of the Godhead in creating entire new worlds. I feel like that includes all of us, both great and small will do our part in creating new worlds and expanding God's kingdoms far into eternity.
My personal hunch is that this earth is more of a testing ground for us, to prove our worthiness to join that society of the universe. I believe there are many worlds with people on them that are likewise being tested to inherit greater or lesser things according to their record.
"9. And how could one who thus possesses a will, which is forever independent of his Creator, be measured for the vast responsibilities of an endless future, except by his record? For how could the government of the heavens be upheld in everlasting security, except the powers thereof be conferred upon those who have demonstrated that the will of the Father is superior to death or to the multiplied sacrifices of life? And how could the hosts of the righteous, who people the celestial worlds, abide forever in His presence if they could not live obedient unto celestial law?
"10. Wherefore, according to the record, which record is kept in heaven, and it is a record of the deeds done in the body, and this includeth the works of repentance, even according to the record, shall it be with every man to receive much or little.
"11. And thus man shapeth his own destiny, even as God, in whose likeness he is made, even in the likeness of his spirit and in the image of his body."
There is an old saying that knowledge is power. The power to create is also the power to destroy. The government of the heavens is one of strict order. No one can be given a place in the government of the universe unless they can be trusted. In other words, no one can be given knowledge to create and destroy unless they can prove they can be trusted. Else the government of the universe could not be upheld in everlasting security.
"the wicked have possessed themselves of all the fullness of the earth, and made themselves wiser in their day and generation than the children of the kingdom; and by their knowledge, have they arrogated unto themselves the powers that be; even to rule and exercise unrighteous dominion over the souls of men. And this have they done because of the free-agency of man.
3. And now, if I should suffer them to obtain knowledge of spiritual things also, which knowledge is power in the heavens, even as knowledge is power upon the earth, they would seek in like manner to overthrow the institutions of heaven, hereafter, unto their own glory, even as Lucifer. And thus again would the voice of the traitor be heard in the pavilions of the Holy One.
4. Wherefore, they cannot he permitted to receive it, and are thus shut out from the gates of knowledge by the Spirit of Truth; for He ministereth not unto them, saith the Lord. For this cause was it decreed of the Father, that only through obedience should the Holy Ghost be given to men; yea, through an ordinance of the Gospel of Jesus Christ; and not by the will or choice of any man; neither can any man obtain the administrations thereof, to lead him into all truth without strict conformity therewith.
As to our spirits, LDS theology teaches that our spirits predate the creation of the earth, and are created from matter which is eternal.
Our spirits that inhabit our bodies are elements just like our bodies are. But the matter which composes our spirits is more refined.
"33. For man is spirit. The elements are eternal, and spirit and element, inseparably connected, receive a fulness of joy;
34. And when separated, man cannot receive a fulness of joy.
35. The elements are the tabernacle of God; yea, man is the tabernacle of God, even temples; and whatsoever temple is defiled, God shall destroy that temple.
36. The glory of God is intelligence, or, in other words, light and truth." D&C 93.
Elements are not created nor destroyed, but are eternal. In other words, they have always existed through all eternity. Our spirits were created out of elements which were neither created nor destroyed, but were organized from a state of chaos so to speak. The earth was created out of elements that were neither created nor destroyed, but have always existed throughout eternity. Like wise our bodies, which came from the elements of the earth are also eternal. Our bodies may be less than one hundred years old, but the elements which compose our bodies are neither created nor destroyed. This is actually a basic law of physics.
@@smallhelmonabigship3524Joseph Smith was nothing but a liar, In fact he was dumb as rocks, GOD doesn't live on a planet ( Kolob) 😂😂😂😂😂, Joseph Smith never Read Genesis chapter 1😂😂😂😂😂 , I mean the Mormons Call Joseph Smith a prophet 😅😅😅😅 he was dumb
Hi there I am a liar claiming to be a roman catholic priest who knows nothing about capitalizing proper nouns and I want to say I am really a mormon
Kolob is nearest to the residence or planet were God the Father and his Family live. Like the sun is closest to the earth. Great presentation I loved it.
You know you’re close when you pass by Santa Claus and his helpers. Say hi to Roudolph for me!
@@Mabeylater293 Goodness, who told you that? I always look for the cureloms and cumoms.
This video is so powerful! I have watched a lot of videos on astrophysics and what is being said in those scripture references and the Joseph Smith King Follet sermon match up spot on. I suspect science and scripture will back each other up even more when the James Webb telescope gets put into space in November or December. Great video!
Thanks. I have always believed that pure science and pure religion are in harmony wih each other. Once you take out all of the conjecture and opinions.
The big bang theory for example is believed to be truth by millions of people. But it cannot observed, any part of it cannot be duplicated in a lab, and it cannot explain many fundamental truths we see in the universe. It is still very much an opinion. Yet scientists continue to build massive theories around it as though it were already established fact.
It cannot explain how stars came to burn, as that is still a science which is beyond our understanding. It cannot explain how planets orbit around it in a careful balance.
When we put a satellite into geo synchronous orbit, we have to put little rockets on it that periodically fire to keep it from drifting out of orbit.
If we cannot balance a satellite into orbit for any length of time, how can we believe that blind random chance can do it for the moons and planets? Not only once, but trillions of times judging by the numbers of stars we can see.
Interesting, not many are familiar with the King Follett discourse!
Ppl nowadays who believe that we are "starseeds", come from different alien races from different planets, that there is an elite galactic federation of "alien" leaders, into energy, conciousness, spirit brings, etc, actually have way more in common with deeper mormon doctrine than they think.
@@smallhelmonabigship3524 You can't create order out of an exploding printing press.
@@nonijb1580 Is that the discourse where Joseph declares himself King of the Earth?
True wonderful enlightening. Thank you for this presentation.
I have been a Latter Day Saint for so many years. I love my Lord. I love His Gospel. Yes we shall live forever
and Jehovah has made it all possible.
We lived before we came to be clothed in our mortal bodies in our mothers wombs.
It is a beautiful plan given by our Father in Heaven to enoble us. We choose. Freedom to choose for ourselves is at the heart of the gospel. All choices of course bring consequences. We all make mistakes, that was part of His Great Merciful Plan.
Jehovah of our pre earth life, became Jesus when he was born of his own very dear mother. When he had finished the work the Father gave Him, by suffering in the garden of Gethsemanae, allowing men to betray and crucify Him.
He died that we might live again.
After out earthly death , l testify yeah, we shall all live again. He the Lord Jesus Christ did this for each of us. This He did offer Himself to pay that price. The Father of all mankind loves EACH of us. He may not be happy with wickednesses we have done though.
This is why missionaries teach these things and offer us baptism to cleanse us thoroughly through Christ's spilled blood. I so testify.
Thank you for that wonderful testimony. That really picks me up to read that in the morning. We all are sons and daughters of God, and we are all created to partake in the joys of eternity. Yes, we all commit sins, until some of us learn wisdom. And the Lord gives us space in our lives in which to repent. It is part of His grand plan that we are put through trials and tribulations and presented with good and evil so that we might choose for ourselves, so that we might be measured for our eternal estates according to our deeds done while on the earth. Deeds both good and evil that some of us might become joint heirs with Jesus Christ.
Have you ever considered how difficult it was for our Heavenly Father to send us here, knowing how many he would lose. The idea that one of the great ones rebelled,and took so many with him, and my children are doing the same.2 out of 5 stayed with the gospel. We have to be proven, and by that I mean really tried, to find what we will do , where our heart really is who we really are and where we will be comfortable. The Lord will give us all he can , He wants, us to choose Him, our Father. He gave us guides and rules but we must choose. Its the only way to know who we are. The heavenly abodes must be really worth all the pain and heart break. Father wants us to find out who we are. Satan is such a deceiver. Why would we choose him?
@@Jan-wd1is Yes, as a mother you can sense how our heavenly parents felt about the rebellion and having to test their children in this telestial world run by thieves and robbers. Just keep praying for your wandering children. God has a plan of salvation for them too. Many of God's sheep who appear at this time even openly hostile to God, may turn out one day to be His most valiant soldiers. Look at Paul for an example. Imagine how the first Christians felt when their worst enemy and persecutor suddenly came to their side. It took many of them quite a long time to warm up to Paul, yet Paul became the most successful missionary in history. One of the saddest days in my brother's life and mine was when his two daughters told him they were atheists and one said some really harsh things about religion. Look also to the sons of Alma in the book of Mormon who became open enemies to the church until God worked his wonders on their hearts. You just have to keep praying for them.
The Lord is the Redeemer of all people who are willing to be redeemed. In His due time, even those in hell will be delivered.
God has decreed that the rebellion of Lucifer can never be repeated. He has also decreed that he will never deny us our free will. That is why this test which is our mortal life is so necessary. If we are redeemed to become Joint heirs with Jesus Christ and there is no end to our lives, then it stands to reason there is also no end to our works, no end to our knowledge and no end to our learning. With such great knowledge also comes great power. The power to create is also the power to destroy. God will never allow such knowledge to fall into the hands of the wicked who might start another rebellion against the institutions of heaven. Only those who surrender their will completely to the will of the Father and purge themselves of all evil and regard not the will of man.
That is why there is also multiple kingdoms and degrees of glory. The glory of the telestial kingdom and the joy that those who will dwell there defies all of our current understanding. But the powers, dominions and glories people in that kingdom will be given, will only be with what they can be trusted with not to abuse.
@@smallhelmonabigship3524 Thank you, it helps so much to see the long term plan, sometimes i.get stuck.in this short myopic earth life. (I loved when President Nelson said that!) Thank you for the eternal view!
Any man who believes that he can rise up because of works and become a god has been deceived by the great deceiver himself. Our God was and is not a man, though HE can be whomever or whatever HE so desires. He did not come down from heaven and impregnate Mary. Jesus was not crucified so that mankind could become gods. These teaching are blasphemy. Joseph Smith was not the prophet of ANYTHING but lies, otherwise why did his prophecies not come true. The Lord doesn't make mistakes. Therefore His word from a prophet would be his own, and would be righteous. The deception of Lucifer is vast, and Jesus is NOT the brother of Lucifer, as Mormonism states. They have banned animations telling the truth about Mormonism. The documentary, The God Makers, is also a telling of their beliefs. No one comes unto the Father but by the Lord Jesus Christ.
*If you watch the movie Interstellar, there’s a planet orbiting a black hole named Miller’s Planet where one hour in it is the equivalent of 7 years on Earth due to the black hole’s gravity. “As stated in The Science of Interstellar, the location of Miller's planet is important. This is due to the fact that time slows the closer to Gargantua (the black hole) that you are. Einsteins' Law of Time Warps apparently explains this”. The Bible mentions that 1 day to God is the equivalent to 1,000 Earth years so I wouldn’t be surprised if Kolob is real since it’s apparently in the centre of the Milky Way galaxy and there’s also a supermassive black hole there. Maybe Kolob is orbiting the supermassive black hole and its gravity makes time there go by so much slower than here. There’s also a mention in the Bible of Satan being thrown into a “bottomless pit”/“abyss” for a thousand years... could that bottomless pit be a black hole? Just some thoughts...*
Those are very interesting thoughts. I never considered it from that angle before, where time slows down in different worlds. It's kind of deep, and I have never been able to wrap my brain around Einstein's theories. A lot of people believe that God took six thousand years to construct the earth, which is six days to God.
Joseph Smith wrote:
4 In answer to the question-Is not the reckoning of God’s time, angel’s time, prophet’s time, and man’s time, according to the planet on which they reside?
5 I answer, Yes. But there are no angels who minister to this earth but those who do belong or have belonged to it.
6 The angels do not reside on a planet like this earth;
7 But they reside in the presence of God, on a globe like a sea of glass and fire, where all things for their glory are manifest, past, present, and future, and are continually before the Lord.
8 The place where God resides is a great Urim and Thummim.
9 This earth, in its sanctified and immortal state, will be made like unto crystal and will be a Urim and Thummim to the inhabitants who dwell thereon, whereby all things pertaining to an inferior kingdom, or all kingdoms of a lower order, will be manifest to those who dwell on it; and this earth will be Christ’s." D&C 130.
Other people here have pointed out that Kolob means heart in ancient Hebrew. It would be a fitting name for the heart of the galaxy.
Not only that the black hole could be outer Darkness it speaks about for the bastard children called the Sons of perdition. I don't know but it sounds Mighty suspicious. I'm not sure if Joseph Smith wrote down some of this in his visions. Small Helms had something about some of this stuff.
Holy Cow Mormons truly are lost
Every planets has a different complete rotation time. Like the Earth one complete rotation is 24 hours and the completion is one year with four seasons. Another planet Are set-up definitely because of their years, using years only compared to our world to measure as a human. If that makes any sense.
This is a great missionary tool. Thank you so much for your effort. I live in the south and many religions wonder about "Mormonism".
I am 79 years old, and read the book of Abraham when I was about 16 - 20 yrs and I've never heard any negative comments about it. A few years ago I read a book called-Kolob Theorem by author Lynn M. Hilton PhD. It's a good read. Science has been puzzled about what lies in the center of the Galaxy and because they can't see whats there because of interstellar dust they think it is a black hole. The book of Abraham tells us there are 15 suns in the center and gives us the names of these suns. Kolob is one of them, and tells us this sun is the nearest to the Throne of God. Other Celestial kingdoms are also in that region, further out are the Terrestrial kingdoms and the fallen worlds like our Earth are on the outer edges. The Lord tells us in the Bible and D&C that when the Lord comes the Earth will move out of it's place and will become a Terrestrial or Garden of Eden sphere for the duration of the coming millennium reign.
Yes. Thank you for your inspiring comment.
Eliza R. Snow wrote a hymn along the same lines as what you just said.
The first verese reads:
Thou Earth, wast once a glorious sphere
Of noble magnitude,
And didst with majesty appear,
Among the worlds of God.
The last verse reads:
And thou, O earth, will leave the track
Thou hast been doomed to trace;
The Gods with shouts will bring thee back
To fill thy native place.
We truly live now in a telestial world. Our world is run by thieves and robbers. Honest people mostly finish last. But in the coming millenium when the Savior returns it will be a terrestrial world. Thieves and robbers won't prosper in that world as they do here.
As for the thieves that rule this world, when this world ends so does their reign. This is what they aspired to, and this is all they will get.
Excellent read. I recommended it as well.
@@stephenbrown9370 I guess I will have to check that book out.
Love that book!!
Hmmmm.....15 suns. Hmmmm...12 apostles + plus the 3 in the presidency. Hmmmm... Nah, that can't be a revealed pattern like so many others right? 3 parts to the brain+ 12 main vertebrae at the top of the spine which are the vertebrae that GOVERN all the life keeping bodily functions like heartbeat, breathing, liver, kidneys etc...
Personally I think its a safe bet.
Thank you so much for this video! I learned a lot about Kolob and the wisdom of God. We need to have a humble heart and an open mind to understand the things of God. I love this Gospel and I know it's true. From São Paulo Brasil 🇧🇷🇧🇷🇧🇷
Thank you for the thoughtful reply. And greetings to Brasil from the United States. Modern science has been so hijacked by atheists, the world has lost sight of the fact that the knowledge revealed to the world by Joseph Smith is not only the gospel truth, it is the most scientific.
0:08 is so relatable thinking about the perspective of Kolob. How did I never notice this before?? When I try to always remember Him, I imagine where the Father and the Son dwell now. Somewhere in outer space near Kolob. This has stuck with me like knowing the back of my own hand and I think of or remember as often or sure of what my extended family going about their lives.
God exists far above the Heavens.
Eph_4:10 He that descended is the same also that ascended up far above all heavens, that he might fill all things.)
I'm sure that this is a typo, but you start by stating that Kolob is a planet. The Lord in the book of Abraham goes to a lot of effort to explain to Abraham about his creations of the heavens. The Lord starts with the earth, then the Moon and Sun and continues on all the way back to Kolob- which Jehovah explains is part of a 3 star cluster in his Celestial Realm. Kolob he explains; is the greatest of all Stars/creations and rotates one time for every 1000 years of human history.
He also explains the humongous size of Kolob, which sounds like it could swallow our solar system.
By the sheer physics you explain, it does not sound very hospitable to that of human life. 🤔
Have you not heard the book of Abraham is a fraud?
A planet as big as a solar system must have a hell of a gravity attraction. Sounds like humans might end up in pancakes.
That said: you might want to watch Battlestar Galactica, I feel it does a better job in talking about the "Kolob/Kobol" story than the bible does.
I have been to countless planets that were larger than an entire solar system. Those planets can easily support human life.
@@vaughnfoulger291 have you heard that the book of Abraham is not a fraud?
Here is something to ponder. Why is the North Star and the Big Dipper inscribed on the Salt Lake Temple?
During the "Underground Railroad" days where they used the North Star to guide them at night one of the songs sung went like this: "The star where God lives is the star that will lead us to freedom." North Star = Kolob perhaps?
i didn't know that. I have always suffered for lack of understanding of the symbolism on the temples. Do you have any references where I can look that up?
@@smallhelmonabigship3524 No I do not. You may want to do a Google search.
If you read the Kolob Theorum and the Pearl of Great Price you would probably think more along the lines that Kolob is in the CENTER of our galaxy where the largest and slowest rotating stars are located that GOVERN our solar system.
@MF F I believe the path to the Terrestrial Kingdom passes near the nebula that is in the constellation of Orion. There is a "trail" of stars that brings you to the great dust barrier, or veil, that prevents us from looking into the center of our galaxy. If you look at galaxies you will notice they are white in the center, then red as you move away from the center, then blue on the outer arms (where earth is). I believe those colors are representative of the three degrees of glory. Their are two great walls of dust in our galaxy. One between the white and red, one between the red and blue. The closer you get to the center, the greater the brightness (glory). My personal belief is that Kolob exists in an orbit around the greatest star in the center of our galaxy.
@@stephenbrown9370 Yes. I have often wondered that. I believe Kolob is a system that is much more than a star or a planet and that it governs the stars and the worlds to which our own world belong. Moses was created on Kolob in the pre existence.
Interesting, well done presentation. Thanks!
So, what about Kolob? The last paragraph mentions its existence. What about it? I feel baited into hearing a sermon. I expected to hear about Kolob.
exactly. they're tripping
Beautiful teachings
Reply to Jan. Mmm, my own two and my sister too...have walked away...it is heartbreaking. I am alone.
But we have the promise of the Lord.
Still they use their own choice...😪
Affection..x
I was baptized into the church at 18. Noe at 32 I have been astray & even searching into other "religions"/teachings. Been researching how we are starseeds from alien races on other planets. And it's the LDS teaching of Kolob that actually is leading me to believe our faith even more! The more I search into science & astronomy, it's actually leading me back to the church. What other church goes into teaching about planets, other Gods, etc. We have the fullness of that knowledge.
Excellent explanation spell small helm. You are so right.
There were scriptural quotations there towards the end for which no references were made. Where did they come from?
More frequent references to your scriptural sources would have been helpful. Otherwise, quite fascinating! As to the various comments, "opinions are like noses: everybody has one." As for myself, I'm still on "Universe 101".
Kolob is a massive star. I causes time dilation where one day near Kolob is 1,000 years on Earth.
When the earth passes away in one thousand years it is written in D&C 130 it will become a globe of glass and fire in it's immortal state. It says the angels who are resurrected being currently reside on such a sea of glass. We do not know exactly what that is. We do not know whether or not the sun in our solar system is an immortal state itself yet.
Another problem is we should not tie these truths as have been revealed to us to any contemporary theories of the universe as many here want to do. The theories about black holes, warping of time etc. whether they exist or not, what they do etc. has changed significantly in the last fifty years. These theories are a moving target, and just creates instability in our ways if we try to tie our beliefs into that.
Kind of gives me a little peace. When u think of "forever", one day, then another then another going on got forever seems mindblowing. But if 1 day is 1000 years, makes it a little easier to think of. The 1000 (or I'd it 3000) years itll take when we leave til Jesus comes back to rule this world; does that mean itll actually only take a day? Ugh my brain hurts lol
Food for thought!
We are told, to prayer for all things!
So l will.🙏😊
James 1:5. Start there but be ready for Our Father rewarding any HONEST and earnest prayer with TRUTH even IF you don't think you're ready for it.
BEST next step after THAT - call some Mormon Missionaries.
They'll help you to come to an understanding of the TRUTHS Our Father reveals to you as a result of those prayers.
But be READY -
God will NOT be mocked.
Ok- ALL the BEST in your journeys ! -
C.
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Thank you for your kind, and thoughtful, comments they are truly appropriated.
God bless you too on your Christian walk. 😊💐
Best way I heard it described was; we are made in the image of God. So if God is a being, he must live somewhere right? In fact, the more I learn about new age spirituality; how we are "starseeds" from alien races on other planets, the more I believe mormon doctrine about possible other planets, other Gods over other worlds, etc.
Thank you for being optimistic. We should all look at our similarities in religion instead of judging on differences.
You touch on a subject that is near and dear to my heart. Consider this for thought. What if, instead of us being "star seeds" from another planet, what if we are the very eternal beings from other planets? I hope you are open minded enough to let me philosophize a little. Most people can't accept it.
LDS Scripture teaches that we are put on this earth to be tested in our choice between good and evil. We are tested because knowledge is power. The knowledge and power to create is also the power to destroy. God has said that the security of the heavens demands that the rebellion of Lucifer can never be repeated. It is a great responsibility to have great knowledge, and it cannot be shared with just anyone, or there would be chaos in the universe.
Our heavenly parents created us, and they love us more than we know. They want us to be with them for all time, and even to be like them. They want us to know what they know, and love like they love. They want us to eventually be members in their society and inhabitants on their world. But we can't be unless we can demonstrate we are capable of belonging there.
So in order to more fully test us, our heavenly parents put us on this tiny world on the outer edges of this galaxy. They withheld our memories from us, about who we really are, and also what and who we know. They did it because they want to know how well we can be trusted. They gave us the freedom to do good things and even to do terrible, unthinkable things according to our desires. They want to see if it is in our nature without knowledge to love each other, and to do good to one another, or if it is our nature to hate and destroy.
So this short temporary life is a necessary rite of passage for us, for far greater things. Throughout our life here, we are presented with a wide variety of circumstances, each with a choice to make. Our heavenly parents have asked us to do what they wish us to do, and then give us the freedom to decide whether we want to do it or not.
They have given us earthly parents. They want to see if we are capable of loving and obeying them, even though we know they are far from perfect. If we cannot do that, then how can we demonstrate we can love our heavenly parents of our own selves? They have given us dominion over the animals. They want to see if we love and care for the animals, or if we are cruel to them, and kill them. For if we can't be trusted to take care of the animals, then how can we be trusted to be kind, just and loving kings and queens over people? They want to find out if we covet the possessions of our neighbors, who are our fellow brothers and sisters. They want to see if we will rob and steal from them, and even kill them to get their gains for ourselves.
When our lives are over, we are evaluated for how well we did on the test. On this rite of passage for greater things. Every thought, and every action in our entire lives is evaluated, just as if they are our answers to questions on a test. For those that have demonstrated in their test they love their neighbor as themselves, and they love their God, they become joint heirs with their brother Jesus Christ, and inherit all the fullness of our heavenly parent's kingdoms which exceeds all imagination of the heart, and all calculation of the mind. When we look into the night sky we can only catch a tiny glimpse of what those kingdoms have in store for us, where God shares the secrets of the universe with us.
"9. For man have I created that he might have joy hereafter, even to partake of the joys of eternity, which exceed all imagination of the heart and all calculation of the mind. And I would that he might inherit the powers of endless dominion, and not that he might have misery. And for this cause do I call men to repentance."
For those who don't do well on the test, they too will experience a fullness of joy in God's due time according to the kingdom in which they are sent. But where God and His angels dwell, they can never be. Worlds without end.
God is a elloim and there are a numberless of them in kolob, yadins is superior hierarchy in relation elloims, in the cosmos knowledge correspond to power and good it's a hierarchy title the original source correspond to primordials placed nearing by universe six.
Where did the quotes after 12 minutes come from they are not familiar to me?
These are not from the Standard Works but from a man named Harry Baker from the early 20th Century: www.newrevelations.net/
Good presentation but the Title lead me to expect more mention of Kolob....eternal life is great and all .... I was just expecting something different....
Will they be able to see kolob with the James Webb Telescope?
That would be pretty crazy. I girl like the closer we get to the end times, the more God is revealing to us. So it's quite possible.
I was always under the impression that Kolob was a star.
It is. As stated in the book of Abraham. It is the star nearest to Gods throne in heaven. I am surprised at how many people say it's a planet. But it was God the father who was talking to Abraham who told him that Kolob was the great governing star that was nearest to his throne in heaven. And that one rotation of Kolob, or a day, was 1000 years.
Correct....it is the sun star of the solar system of God's location
Enjoyed your video, may we meet sometime soon on a planet like Kolob
Thank you. Yes, the earth itself will be like that in another thousand years.
Why visit Kolob when we can visit the house of the lord every day? :-)
@@hanalei412002 Yes. Stand ye in Holy places and be not moved. The great tribulations and the abomination of desolation are shortly upon us. This telestial world which has long been ruled by thieves, robbers, liars and killers is dying. As the earth was once baptized in water, it is about to be baptized in fire and reborn into a terrestrial world, ruled only by honorable men. In one thousand years, the earth itself will pass away and be resurrected into an immortal celestial state. It will become a sea of glass.
Thank you!!!
What about the explicit counsel of President Nelson to refer to the church by its full name: The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints?
Cool content, but something is off-center with you for ignoring the prophet and the current preferred style of writing and speech within the body of the church.
Not subscribing.
Lol get outta here Scott
He isnt LDS. Anyone who isnt a part of the church is going to co Tue to call is the mormon church or mormon religion. As much as we can teach them to say otherwise, that's all we can do. But its ppl like this guy who at least have an open mind when reading our doctrine, who will change. Until we have the respect we deserve (which in our gospel it says til the end days we will continue to be persecuted for our faith), they will continue to be ignorant & call it the mormon church. All we can do is tell the truth about hoe our church is based on Jesus Christ, not mormon.
(I) know these things are true. I know by the power and influence of the Holy Ghost. If this information doesn’t make you want to be a really good person on Earth I don’t know what would. Thank you. 👍🏻
Very good! Thank you so very much!
Thank you
As i look at the comments, i forget that some people think this nonsense is real
Are you a former Mormon, Bud ? I am. It took me about 15 years after a faith crisis to let go of believing in Mormonism. I resigned in 2016.
@@micmac_billyjack I hope you come back 🙏we need you brother. 🙂
We are open minded, that's why we ask a lot of questions and have doubts. We don't just believe right away, We remain skeptical at all times.
Close minded people are those who believe 100 percent without any doubts.
Yes, I agree with that. I would say it's healthy to have doubts to a point. But there are many things in life, that when you come to know it, you just know it is true. .
If you are open minded, then consider the Book of Mormon that the Book of Mormon dedicates a chapter to the very subject you brought up. Just read through it for a few minutes and see if you are open to an experiment:
"27 But behold, if ye will awake and arouse your faculties, even to an experiment upon my words, and exercise a particle of faith, yea, even if ye can no more than desire to believe, let this desire work in you, even until ye believe in a manner that ye can give place for a portion of my words.
28 Now, we will compare the word unto a seed. Now, if ye give place, that a seed may be planted in your heart, behold, if it be a true seed, or a good seed, if ye do not cast it out by your unbelief, that ye will resist the Spirit of the Lord, behold, it will begin to swell within your breasts; and when you feel these swelling motions, ye will begin to say within yourselves-It must needs be that this is a good seed, or that the word is good, for it beginneth to enlarge my soul; yea, it beginneth to enlighten my understanding, yea, it beginneth to be delicious to me.
29 Now behold, would not this increase your faith? I say unto you, Yea; nevertheless it hath not grown up to a perfect knowledge.
30 But behold, as the seed swelleth, and sprouteth, and beginneth to grow, then you must needs say that the seed is good; for behold it swelleth, and sprouteth, and beginneth to grow. And now, behold, will not this strengthen your faith? Yea, it will strengthen your faith: for ye will say I know that this is a good seed; for behold it sprouteth and beginneth to grow.
31 And now, behold, are ye sure that this is a good seed? I say unto you, Yea; for every seed bringeth forth unto its own likeness.
32 Therefore, if a seed groweth it is good, but if it groweth not, behold it is not good, therefore it is cast away.
33 And now, behold, because ye have tried the experiment, and planted the seed, and it swelleth and sprouteth, and beginneth to grow, ye must needs know that the seed is good.
34 And now, behold, is your knowledge perfect? Yea, your knowledge is perfect in that thing, and your faith is dormant; and this because you know, for ye know that the word hath swelled your souls, and ye also know that it hath sprouted up, that your understanding doth begin to be enlightened, and your mind doth begin to expand.
35 O then, is not this real? I say unto you, Yea, because it is light; and whatsoever is light, is good, because it is discernible, therefore ye must know that it is good; and now behold, after ye have tasted this light is your knowledge perfect?
36 Behold I say unto you, Nay; neither must ye lay aside your faith, for ye have only exercised your faith to plant the seed that ye might try the experiment to know if the seed was good.
37 And behold, as the tree beginneth to grow, ye will say: Let us nourish it with great care, that it may get root, that it may grow up, and bring forth fruit unto us. And now behold, if ye nourish it with much care it will get root, and grow up, and bring forth fruit.
38 But if ye neglect the tree, and take no thought for its nourishment, behold it will not get any root; and when the heat of the sun cometh and scorcheth it, because it hath no root it withers away, and ye pluck it up and cast it out.
39 Now, this is not because the seed was not good, neither is it because the fruit thereof would not be desirable; but it is because your ground is barren, and ye will not nourish the tree, therefore ye cannot have the fruit thereof.
40 And thus, if ye will not nourish the word, looking forward with an eye of faith to the fruit thereof, ye can never pluck of the fruit of the tree of life.
41 But if ye will nourish the word, yea, nourish the tree as it beginneth to grow, by your faith with great diligence, and with patience, looking forward to the fruit thereof, it shall take root; and behold it shall be a tree springing up unto everlasting life.
42 And because of your diligence and your faith and your patience with the word in nourishing it, that it may take root in you, behold, by and by ye shall pluck the fruit thereof, which is most precious, which is sweet above all that is sweet, and which is white above all that is white, yea, and pure above all that is pure; and ye shall feast upon this fruit even until ye are filled, that ye hunger not, neither shall ye thirst.
43 Then, my brethren, ye shall reap the rewards of your faith, and your diligence, and patience, and long-suffering, waiting for the tree to bring forth fruit unto you." Alma Chapter 32
The Bible also talks about a mustard seed.
"Another parable put he forth unto them, saying, The kingdom of heaven is like to a grain of mustard seed, which a man took, and sowed in his field:
32 Which indeed is the least of all seeds: but when it is grown, it is the greatest among herbs, and becometh a tree, so that the birds of the air come and lodge in the branches thereof." Matthew 13.
You should not remain skeptical at all times.
Just as God exists SO DOES satan.
he is real....!!!
..just no body no family no future. All he does is try make us be dirty disgusting ashamed lost ..no plan no future.
God can give YOU EVERYTHING...XX
Ask yes!!! ..then listen earnestly..x
You cannot doubt truth. God CANNOT LIE.
@@carolswarbrick1505 you're giving us false assurance.
As long as you can't prove it to us, that claim is just pure imagination.
thank you for this video.. our father in heaven loves us so much. he sent hi only begotten son even the lord Jesus christ to atone our sins.. kolob is real. I testify that they are real and that father in heaven and his son Jesus christ lives! I say these things in the name of my master even Jesus christ my redeemer amen.
There is no proof of kolob except in joseph smiths pearl of great price. You cant testify clearly that something exists since it is a second hand witnesses at best. And if Joseph smith is a prophet than its worse. Cause he testified other men saw it. He didnt
@@ChildePC yup youre right!.but with my all my heart that place is true!. he was just a prophet he knows what he was teachings. thank you.
I enjoyed the video. read all the comments and thought to myself , to much bickering back and forth about things that have nothing to do with our salvation.
You're right, and I am as guilty as anyone at fostering that.
I think there are a lot of members of the church that know that there are people on other planets. I have read it Brigham Young or the Prophet Joseph Maybe has made comments about that. Used to think about it as a child and wonder what kind of animals were on the different planets everytime I heard about aliens coming to Earth it made me laugh because I thought they would look just like me.
Ppl think it's crazy to think that our God is a being who may also live on another planet, who also may have a God above him, that there are other planets ruled by other Gods, etc. Yet in "new age" spirituality they believe we are "starseeds" (similar to mormon belief that we were spirit beings before this life) who came from other planets; a galactic federation of ruling beings, etc. Its a lot more similar than ppl think. The more I research into spirituality, conciousness, starseeds, etc, the more I actually do believe in my "mormon" faith.
Of course, they, too, would be made in His image.
Thank you, For your efforts....nevertheless I am pained because so much more has been given through the Spirit..which is available through the light that shineth in the darkness. When one arrives at the station to comprehend that light, then one can see that the discussion regarding Kolob also makes very clear why the dimensions of the city of New Jerusalem are accurate. It also conforms to known laws of light, gravity and transmission of data. Then you will understand why Kolob is nigh unto the presence of God ( now).... as His presence will be nigh unto earth in the future.
These observations will sound like a person pounding on an empty drum to ALL THOSE who do not yet comprehend this " light that shineth in the darkness ". Only he who has ears to hear will hear.
HEBEL EST OMNIS ADAM
Enjoyed this pod. Thank you.
I'm not sure that it's useful to maintain the traditional Christian notion that the earth was created six thousand years ago. I expect that needs to go the way of the earth-centric model of the universe.
I like the explanation that Joseph Smith gave that the universe is ageless or eternal, and the earth was constructed six thousand years ago out of elements that are eternal. I know it conflicts with the beliefs of modern academia, but that doesn't put it out of harmony with any known facts.
I would agree if they handn't found soft tissue in a Triceratops horn, not to mention I witnessed dino tracks in limestone right next to human footprints with my own two eyes. Science is great but they're finding out more and more that change didn't come by erosion, but rather cataclysm, and though the stones on this old rock may be 7 billion yrs. old, that doesn't mean this orb has been here as such for that long. This planet is the wreckage of other worlds in a telestial space, clinging to the SPIRIT of mother earth. That spirit will shuck this shell and take on its eternal elemental body as soon as she has fullfilled all righteousness. Look at the writings of Joseph Fielding Smith and Brigham Young, to name only two of many. This earth was spiritually born in orbit around Kolob. It transversed space to the outer rim, where it fell into orbit around Sol and was "born" into a telestial habitat. She was baptised in the days of Noah, she will receive the baptism of fire and the Holy Ghost when Christ returns. She will return to the center through terrestrial space during the Millennium, at the end of which will be a final judgement for those raised during the Millennium after Satan is losed for a season for the final battle. She will die at the veil between terrestrial and Celestial, and be resurrected as a globe like unto a sea of Crystal surrounded by the wonders of the Celestial Kingdom with all those on board who received a celestial glory.
@@stephenbrown9370 Thanks, Stephen, those are good points worth considering. I also found Eric Skousen's book "Earth: In the Beginning" an interesting and thought-provoking read. There are a lot of puzzle pieces I haven't been able to fit together - you mention a few of them. One of the pieces that, at least in my mind, leans toward the directed evolution approach of Skousen is earth's geological layering. It's hard to imagine how other worlds could be broken up and the resulting chunks re-assembled in such a coherent fashion. I'm anxious to see the "movie" and understand how it was all done, but I'll be the first to admit that I don't know the answers. I won't be surprised either way. What I expect will be surprising is when we find out we're all off the mark.
@@stephenbrown9370 Wow! That is exactly what I believe.
Another possibility... the creation of the earth took a very long time... we also don't know how long Adam and Eve were in the garden.... we do know that since they left the garden we began the dispensations. 6 of them are complete and we are un the first of the 7th
The stuff about space is most confusing to me. One question(im not fully relying on your answer if you answer, but it would be cool): if there are more of God's children all over space, would that mean we have an infanet number of brothers and sisters? It just seems like a huge question to me. Its kinda scary to think maybe there is, but at the same time, maybe its less lonely. It might make me feel like i am very unspecial but maybe not, i dunno🤷♀️🤷♀️🤷♀️
That is a deep question. I never thought of that before. I don't know. The only way to get an answer to such a question would be to pray about it. The Pearl of Great Price says the spirit of Moses was created on Kolob, if I remember correctly. Your question is certainly possible, and even probable, that we are all one big family. My dad used to comfort me by telling me when the ten tribes return there will be new friends to be made, and a people where women and men could find their spouse.
There is no end to knowledge in the universe. But for us here in this life, there is a limit placed on our knowledge. Our memories of our past existence have been withheld from us, so we can be tested. We are candidates for something so grand and spectcaular, the scripture says it exceeds all imagination of the heart and all calculation of the mind. This life is our test for our worthiness to take on something so grand we can't even imagine it. We look into the night sky and see all the endless stars and other worlds, and all we can do is wonder what is in store for us if we live for it and pass the test.
@@smallhelmonabigship3524 thanks (:
Also, i guess God did make everything for wonderful reasons.
Brigham Young said " there was never a time when there wasn't a God. Joseph Smith said "as man is God once was, as God is man may become. Jehovah was a spirit before coming to THIS earth to be born of flesh and bone. He couldn't be perfect like the Father until he did. Jesus WILL become a "God the Father" just like his Father did. Does that help? Though God's works are without end, they are not concurrent within one giant sphere or else there would be boundaries to infinite space.
Joseph Smith said eternal life has the same sociality which exists here only coupled with eternal glory. You have a father, your father had a father his father had a father clear back to Adam who was born spiritually first to to the same heavenly parents as Jehovah then placed into a body made of the dust of this particular earth. It's all a type and shadow of something bigger. God the Father has a God the Father and so on Infiniti or at least back to the point where pure intelligence decided being clothed with element was a good way to express itself.
Yes, we only have one God the Father, but that doesn't mean HE didn't have a God the Father. I hope this helps.
@@stephenbrown9370 interesting, but have eny prophets directly said this?
@@starlegends3092 there are many truths which are obscure and require the gift of the spirit to understand them. Before you receive meat, you must receive milk. Joseph Smith was the first Prophet of this last dispensation. As he said "As man is...GOD ONCE WAS. As God is...MAN MAY BECOME".
Very well done. Thank you.
Thank you for your kind words.
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Beautiful presentation. Please friend, we have been asked to stop using the name Mormon and use the name Christ asked us to for His church
It seems you have an unwarranted low opinion of members of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints.(that's the name of the Church, not Mormon, remember? Ppl need to use the name Christ used foe His Church. Christians will get used to it) .It was much of this idea, that ppl not "Saved" would go to "hell" that caused me to join the Church, the beautiful all incompassing plan of Salvation for the living and the dead, and the beautiful reality of worlds without number. Also, the long quote towards the end, around 12:22 what is the reference?
The primary reason I say Mormon, is because my desire is to engage everyone, and when i say Mormon, everyone knows exactly what i am talking about. Believe it or not, when I say LDS Church, or Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints, or not every one knows for sure who I am talking about. When I was a kid, the Church seemed to frown on using the name Mormon. I could be wrong, but I think it was President Hinckley who gave a talk where he said when he was young he asked why the world refers to the Church as Mormons. His parents or his bishop or somebody said that is the term the world gave to the church because that is the name of the book of Mormon. Then he was reminded of what a wonderful name Mormon is.
I would agree with that. I love to think how it is the name of one of the great prophets and leaders of the covenant people of God recorded in the book of Mormon. This land is a promised land of inheritance to the descendants of the Lamanites and Nephites, and once the times of the fullness of the Gentiles are fulfilled, God will once again more fully graft in the natural branches to the ancient tree of Israel, and give the Lamanites, the seed of Joseph of Egypt, this land for their inheritance. And the Lamanites shall blossom as the rose.
I have always liked the name Mormon For several years the Church said it was okay to use the name Mormon, recently they seemed to have switched back and said people shouldn't say that name.
I am sorry, but I am who I am, and I don't follow trends very well. It was the same way with the first century Christians. That name Christian was apparently given to them by the world as a form of mockery, and that is what they came to be know by. If the world today likes to mock at the name Mormon, then I am not ashamed of being called that. I will take it as a badge of honor.
@@smallhelmonabigship3524 l understand completely, but when so many ppl think we worship J.Smith and not Christ, it does help clarify whos church this is. With me, coming from a Baptist background, I loved saying the name of the church, it reminded me who we worship. I really do understand about relating to ppl who know us as Mormons, we have been asked to talk more about Christ, so we are known as Christians. I appreciate your channel and the work you've put into it. This was a beautiful explanation of eternity. Thanks. You answer negative comments with more patience than I have.
@@Jan-wd1is Thank you. You may have noticed that when contemporary Christian groups like the Baptists refer to the Church, they will say the name "the church of the latter day saints." They will deliberately leave out the name Jesus Christ when they say that. They do it to deceive people and keep them in ignorance. They have always done tactics like that and they always will. Once you properly correct them on one point they will figure something else out to say. It is just the way it is with them.
The Book of Mormon says the name Jesus Christ in it per page at least as often as the New Testament does. Anyone who wishes to investigate that for themselves will quickly realize that.
@@smallhelmonabigship3524 So true, I hadn't noticed that before. I put up with alot of anger and misunderstanding from my parents and extended family when I joined the Church.After my father died he came to me in the Temple and asked me to forgive him. There is always hope.😄
@@Jan-wd1is Wow! What an inspirational story. It must have been tough. We can take comfort knowing that God has exhausted the possibilities of the natural world to give people opportunities to be saved. Even after we die, the work of redemption does not end for us. That is why we have baptism for the dead. Jesus is the Redeemer of all people who are willing to be redeemed.
Isn't it interesting also how God makes us all dependent upon each other for our salvation, even though we are all flawed, sinful, cruel and often irrational beings. We still depend on each other for our salvation. We are all still the children of Adam and Eve. We must all go through the process of conversion, repentance, baptism and ultimately redemption.
In the Bible, when the Jews rejected the Savior, He sent His disciples who were all Jews to all the nations round about to convert the Gentiles. The Gentiles often hated them and put many of them to death, but in the end many thousands of gentiles were converted and redeemed from their sinful nature.
We see the same thing happening today.
Mormon should strive for the alien believer member. Because vastly more people believe in aliens than Mormonism. But that is also the case for a flat Earth and Bigfoot for Abel's brother Cain as you guys would like to 😮say
Thanks for the comments.
I remember when the "Thirteenth Tribe" left Kobol in search of a world of their own called Earth led by Commander Adama.
Your continual attempts to scoff at that which you don't understand shows yet again you are not a Christian. You don't know what it means to be one.
"3 Knowing this first, that there shall come in the last days scoffers, walking after their own lusts," 2 Peter 3:3
@@smallhelmonabigship3524 What are you talking about?
First, according to the LDS, KOLOB is a STAR, isn't it? NOT a planet? So aren't you the scoffer?
Secondly, Gary Larson was a known Mormon, BattleStar Galatica was his TV show. This is HIS fiction.
Thirdly, the LDS can't get their story straight on the matter.
It's up to 200 billion galaxies now.
He had me at " when God created Earth 6,000 years ago " This explanation makes it so logical and easy to understand ! I don't know how anyone could even deny this spiritual truth. I guess the deniers will realize the flaws in their logic when they are burning in hell😂😅😂
I have just discovered and subscribed to your channel. I wonder who you are? I urge you to use the correct name of the Church and it’s members as directed by President Nelson.
Joseph Smith liked to play word games as a joke on all the people he duped. Moroni = moron, Deseret = desert, Kolob = bolok = "bollocks", etc etc etc. Pretty funny actually.
The term "moron" is actually a 20th century invention by the evil eugenics movement to classify classes of people they deemed as unfit to reproduce. These eugenicists possibly chose to use that term, because it sounds similar to Moroni. Because these people were hateful monsters. People did not use that term in the 19th century. If you knew the real history of that word, and you were even remotely decent, you would be ashamed, ASHAMED to ever use it again. But it seems people like you have no shame. There is a sickness in your soul. And it has you consumed with hate that you must come here to mock.
As at today, there are 13 people who could not care about the truth. So incredibly sad!
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My son has his license plate that says Kolob
Folks-
James 1:5. Start there but be ready for Our Father rewarding any HONEST and earnest prayer with TRUTH even IF you don't think you're ready for it.
BEST next step after THAT - call some Mormon Missionaries.
They'll help you to come to an understanding of the TRUTHS Our Father reveals to you as a result of those prayers.
But be READY -
God will NOT be mocked.
Ok- ALL the BEST in your journeys ! -
C.
Never heard about Kolob but I dreamed on the 21 of sept 2023
That I was at a beautiful place I asked where it was and the word Kolob was shown since I search the meaning of this and this dream
That sounds like a beautiful dream. The Bible says God will teach us through dreams and visions.
"17 And it shall come to pass in the last days, saith God, I will pour out of my Spirit upon all flesh: and your sons and your daughters shall prophesy, and your young men shall see visions, and your old men shall dream dreams:
18 And on my servants and on my handmaidens I will pour out in those days of my Spirit; and they shall prophesy:
19 And I will shew wonders in heaven above, and signs in the earth beneath; blood, and fire, and vapour of smoke:
20 The sun shall be turned into darkness, and the moon into blood, before the great and notable day of the Lord come:" Acts Chapter 2
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yeah right
Can we meet on reddit or Facebook?
Hi. I don't have an account set up with either one of those. Facebook was always so heavily into spying and censorship I never wanted to bother with them. If you go to one of my earliest videos like my sabbath day video, I hardly get any views on that one any more. You can even delete the conversation when we are finished. I will be in and out most of today, but tomorrow, I will be around all day.
But even if we, or an angel from heaven, should preach to you a gospel contrary to what we have preached to you, he is to be accursed! As we have said before, so I say again now, if any man is preaching to you a gospel contrary to what you received, he is to be accursed! (Galatians 1:8-9)
Those words apply to every modern Christian who preach a different Gospel than the one preached by the first disciples of Christ.
I thank that would certainly apply to some of the Baptist preachers tried to condemn the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints. I spoke to several Baptist preachers that hate the church because they lost a lot of members and come to the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints. This is called freedom of religion. And now they want to condemn the Lord's Church for some reason. I just assume it's a money thing.
Yet Chridtiand who says the Book of Mormong, etc is not gospel; they read from the NIV bible which has been changed, translated & edited for centuries. Wouldnt that mean their bible isnt gospel either?
Two words: Saturnian history.
I have never heard of Saturnian history, and nothing I pulled up on the search engine made any relevant sense.
LDS theology seems the most logical to me
This is the shock that many christians have a hard time with , partly becausr their pastors or priests wont shed the light on it...why ? Are the people truly prepared for the whole truth? Some still cant wrap their head around the idea of plural marriage back in the Biblical days and even when Joseph Smith had to restore the church....heres something to think about ...if we humans are. 40,000 yrars old that would make our Creator 40,000 too but any one with knowledge would see that is a problem because GOD is much older than that , we just know than HE is much older than that..infinite in our language...
Yes. The universe is so immense we cannot even comprehend the wonders we are denied witnessing because we are stuck way out here in the darkness of space on the edge of our galaxy. If our planet was in the center of the galaxy it would be light even at night, as there would be so much to see in the heavens.
Modern Christianity has no mechanism where they might understand these wonders . They are so limited in every respect.
why would our creator have to be 40,000 years as well?
@@johnmcintosh2193 He's not its this world that HE created that is .. just because we have "time" here on doesnt mean GOD is operating on time which HE created .. Time is what HE created for us ..
@@johnmcintosh2193 when GOD created man (adam then eve) HE created them adults not babies .. So when GOD created our earth HE created it fully developed which explains the scientific study of it being more than humans which is true , Heavens and earth first then adam then eve.. All Biblical..
That's what led me to the "mormon" religion. I always asked (while sitting in "notmal" Christian faith churches), but where were we before Esrth? Where did God come from? What happens after er go to Heaven? The LDS religion has been the only one to give me those answers.
Was it not Joseph Smith who said all Christian creeds are an abomination?
"I asked the Personages who stood above me in the light, which of all the sects was right (for at this time it had never entered into my heart that all were wrong)-and which I should join.
19 I was answered that I must join none of them, for they were all wrong; and the Personage who addressed me said that all their creeds were an abomination in his sight; that those professors were all corrupt; that: “they draw near to me with their lips, but their hearts are far from me, they teach for doctrines the commandments of men, having a form of godliness, but they deny the power thereof.”
20 He again forbade me to join with any of them; and many other things did he say unto me, which I cannot write at this time."
People don't realize that the devil has his own people in charge of every nation and every church. The father of lies is in control of all the information we receive. If they realized this fully, they would embrace the light which God in His mercy brought into the world through Joseph Smith.
@@smallhelmonabigship3524 would you say the Nicene Creed is an abomination?
@@johnmcintosh2193 Is it not written that God cannot endure the least degree of iniquity?
It may not be an abomination in the sight of man, but man's thoughts are not God's thoughts, and man's ways are not God's ways.
If the Catholic concept of the Trinity serves to turn away those who are created in the image of God away from the truth, or poison their minds from accepting the truth; then why wouldn't God declare the creeds of men to be an abomination in His sight? If God said it, then who are we to question God?
Thanks Mormons for Battlestar Galactica. Great show!
Tho, as someone not finding a higher power necessary for the existence of the universe, I feel like a pantheon with multiple flawed gods is more plausible than a single god.
Yes. I remember that. I have never seen the new version of Battlestar Galactica, so I don't know how close it stayed to the original. I was a small kid in the seventies when the original version came out on ABC. Anyone who was familiar with the more obscure aspects of LDS theology, recognized it borrowed heavily on it.
Back then, the whole nation was in frenzy over the Star Wars movie. That series was an effort to capitalize on it.
We should all have the free agency to believe anything according to the dictates of our conscience. I believe that God wants that.
@@smallhelmonabigship3524 I got into Battlestart Galactica with the new series, and then accidentally found out Kobol was standing for Kolob. I found it actually pretty close, for instance: there's this small confusion about 2 planets both called Earth. That made little sense to me in the story, but then following the Kolob trail" I found out that the Mormon god calls everyplace with humans Earth. It was exhilarating to find out BSG is actually "Mormons in space".
On the "believe" part: well, I'm sorry but I think "believing" is one of the roots of evil. It puts you in a state of mind where literally everything could be true, and at that point, truth loses any value because there's nothing separating false and true statements if not only personal opinion. And personal opinion is very bad while seeking the truth. I personally rather trust overwhelming proof and evidence rather than believing. And overwhelming proofs of the existence of any god have yet to be produced. I personally feel been rational is our duty towards our species and all the humans that were across the tenths of thousands of years of our evolutionary history.
@@un_lucio Battlestar Galactica borrows heavily with names, concepts etc, but as far as getting it even similar to Mormonism it is not even close. If you changed the names, it would be totally unrecognizable to Mormonism.
You said:
" It puts you in a state of mind where literally everything could be true, and at that point, truth loses any value because there's nothing separating false and true statements if not only personal opinion."
That is an interesting statement you made. Because, I bet I am a far bigger skeptic than you. I don't accept anything I was taught in school at face value, until after I found out for myself. And much of what we are taught is not true.
I am going to challenge your entire world view, so just consider a few things if you can.
In order for life to evolve on the earth for billions of years, the earth would have to maintain a relatively stable orbit around the sun for most of that enormous amount of time. You should look into how satellites in geosynchronous orbit maintain their position. They have little rockets that are fired from time to time to compensate for drift to keep them in position. So if small satellites need to be compensated constantly to maintain orbit. How can the planets and the moons maintain their stable orbits for billions of years by random chance? That is just too much for me to believe.
Another thing is the complexity of life. The more we learn about life, the more we realize how complex the engineering is. It could not possibly happen by blind random chance. If you put all the best minds in the world to build something that the human body is capable of they couldn't do it. To create a self aware machine, complete with the ability to process it's own energy, ability to reproduce, and ability to repair itself is so far beyond us, it is not even funny.
Next, consider macro evolution. In one hundred years of trying, so far there has never been even one example of empirical evidence to support it. Not one. The entire theory is based on unprovable conjecture. The only way a person can accept it as truth is if they blindly trust the men who invented it and taught it to the world. And it becomes a religion at that point.
@@smallhelmonabigship3524 While been skeptical is good, miss-trusting the whole lot of human discoveries and achievements sounds a bit malicious to me.
We go to school to "Stand on the shoulders of giants", like the Latins and later Bernard of Chartres (or Isaac Newton if you are of english influence) have very eloquently stated.
I mean I know in the USA someone tried to have schools teaching fibs like creationism or intelligent design, but the danger was avoided thanx to the "Flying Spaghetti Monster" among other things.
I'm not gonna give you a lesson in orbital mechanics or astrodynamics. Even tho I do have a pretty good understanding, I'm not qualified to teach it.
But very smart and qualified people have gathered an overwhelming amount of facts and proof to be able to explain how it works. You just have to pick up a book, read it and understand it. If you don't understand it, you might be lacking some concepts but fear not: there are for sure more books that can give you what you need so you can make it up the ladder and reach the giant's shoulders.
It's a process, that's all it is. Once humanity realized that using divinities to try to explain everything kept falling short, some of us found a better way to investigate and find how things actually are and work. That's all what science (from the Latin word Scientia, literally meaning "knowledge"): a framework to investigate reality that helps us shed our biases as much as possible, and compensate for the shortcomings of our senses. And it doesn't care about your (or anyone else's) opinion or how you feel about it, it only cares about facts. Even if those facts refute your thousands of years old desert-dwellers stories.
And the best part is: everybody can independently verify it and confute it, provided you supply enough evidence and someone else doesn't independently confute them through the same process. And it works, making predictions and enabling us to create the very tech we're enjoying right now. There's a reason why with the rise of COVID 19 we called up scientists and not priests. Because prayer doesn't work, it never did it never will. Medicine, on the other hand, well, it's saving our butts over and over. And please let's not open the miracles can of worms, that would just be silly.
The only catch is: of course when confuting something you will be held at the same standard of proof. Let's take the "flat earth" idea for instance and let's hypothesize it could have merit, great now all they need to do is to re-explain everything that came after discovering the roundness of Earth and how the solar system and ultimately the universe works. Yeah, it's a lot of stuff, but if the hypothesis is grounded in reality there will be a way to "transliterate" everything from one model to the other. If it doesn't hold, that's a clear indication the hypothesis is wrong. That's a standard of proof, the same process everybody goes through, no exceptions, and the burden is in the hands of who makes the claim, and NOT for the others to prove them wrong.
What explains how our solar system came to be and exists only aims to that, reporting and explaining the facts. Incidentally making the "7 days creation" story, not a suitable explanation is just a side effect, not the main goal.
Macroevolution is not "something invented by someone", but it was a hypothesis that grew into a theory backed by facts from literally everywhere: from observation of the natural world around the world to the fossil remains, down to the very code of life: the DNA. Denying it in this day and age is not been skeptical, it's just the stubbornness of clinging on the old stories. The truth is out there, and thoroughly
and meticulously documented. You just need to pick up enough books and read them. Not just one, A LOT of books.
and please don't make the rookie mistake of swapping the cause with the effect: evolution is not engineering nor a design process, it's trial and error, and what works sticks. Even if it's suboptimal, but it works. The earth is not "perfectly made for us", but we're suited to live on it because we grew and evolved on it. Well, until we'll finally make it unsuitable for us to live on it anymore. The planet will not care much about it, it's just our problem. The planet and everything on it will adapt, some will perish, but Earth and life on it will go on and exists even without hairless monkeys.
Again: history shows it nicely over and over.
But I'm sure people already told you all of that, probably many times over, and you just shrug it off while holding your sacred book. Just as you'll probably try to do with me while simultaneously trying to indoctrinate me. it will not work: I already saved myself from religion once, not planning to have to do it a second time, and for sure not from one of the silliest of christian septs. No thanks :)
Especially considering I come from the people that legit invented the original version of christianity: 312-325 AD, Nicea council. You can look that up in the history books if you really care to know more.
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Consider this: if tomorrow all the books, documents, and memories on the planet would be suddenly destroyed, everything discovered through the scientific process and investigation will be discovered again. If you even care about studying the history of our species discoveries you will quickly notice a pattern: no idea came just to a single person. Just to give you a quick example, the very idea of evolution came to Alfred Russel Wallace at the same time Darwin had it. And it's not a chance, it's a direct product of evidence surfacing at the time thanks to the world exploration going on, and gathering of new data observed in nature around the world. Gottfried Wilhelm Leibniz independently developed calculus at the same time as Isaac Newton, so much it's famous the dispute, and not by chance: times were ripe for that. Study the history of calculus and you'll see it was pretty much inevitable.
But if you destroy all the religious traditions hardly someone will come up with the same doctrines and ideas. Perhaps someone will still try invoking some higher power to cause some phenomena they cannot explain, but it will unlikely be your god or anyone else's gods.
Look at Egyptians and Aztecs, for instance: they both built pyramids, they both discovered geometry and the rules needed to build such buildings, independently. And it worked for both. But when you look at their pantheons and religions you'll quickly realize they're hardly the same thing.
The main difference between "knowledge brought by science" and "knowledge handed down by religion" is as simple as that: the knowledge obtained throughout the scientific process and discovery are universal and universally valid, the knowledge passed down by religious traditions are local to that tradition and once the tradition is gone those ideas are gone.
If tomorrow we'd meet aliens from another planet we could use math and our scientific knowledge to create a base to communicate, regardless of how different our way of communicating is. Because gravity is gravity everywhere in the universe, for example. What about your religious book? Do you really expect those aliens to carry the same text you have that it's not evenly spread and accepted among a single planet?
And while I agree with you that, unfortunately, some have such blind trust in science to almost make it seems like their religion, again let's not confuse causality here: it's a dogmatic approach that makes their approach to science as a religion, it's a direct consequence of dogma (the broad sense is any belief held unquestioningly and with undefended certainty) been the cornerstone of religion, which is why when belief is on the field objective reality goes out of the window. So yes, even if they invoke science they fall into the same faults as religions, and they're hardly representative of the scientific community.
And please, do not confuse pointing you to the literature as anything like invoking a sacred text: there aren't simply enough scientists nor time to give every human a one-to-one full explanation of everything.
Science doesn't claim to have the ultimate truth, that's not how it works. Scientists are, directly or indirectly, constantly trying to prove what we already know wrong. That's how knowledge advances: trying to weed out what isn't quite real while consolidating and refining what actually works giving solid explanation and most of all solid and reliable predictions.
And yes, we most certainly don't know everything, we're not even close to that, and it's perfectly fine.
What is not fine is to quickly reach for "gods", or "aliens", or whatever as an explanation for what we don't know. History nicely showed it, that's why we stopped doing it and why our knowledge and capabilities grew and advanced. Not in spite of religions, but for sake of unbiased, unadulterated, honest understanding.
Galileo was a real christian, he really believed in god and everything but the reality he was detecting didn't match the scriptures. He could have buried his head under the sand and claim it a god's mystery. But his intellectual honesty pushed him to find an explanation grounded in reality. He got burned at the stake for it, but despite that "yet it moves" and it always will (well, until the Sun goes Nova, of course, XD)
And now it's better I stop because all I came here for was to listen to the story of Kolob from those that are part of that tradition and thank for being an inspiration to a show I found very entertaining, and not to do what a lot of other people already did and better than I can do.
Just remember: if you want to be skeptical please do, but when seeking facts always remember to be skeptical about your ideas 1st, and not been skeptical of everything that doesn't conform to your idea.
That's the journey I went through and I promise it's worth it. And to this very day, while I trust the current evidence-based models, I'm always ready to change my mind in light of new compelling evidence.
Even on the possibility of the existence of higher powers, and just like me all the scientific community because when something new is prooven it means we learned something! :D
And that's really the only goal: learning, but the real stuff.
The Bible and the Book of Mormon collide a with one another. Where in 3 Nephi 11:14. Jesus said I'm the God Of Israel and the God of this whole earth.
Whereby in the Bible Jesus stated "My kinhdom not of this world" in John 18:36
Of course it is fact the Earth was formed much, much earlier than 6,000 years ago---closer to about 2 billion years. It's perfectly possible there is intelligent life elsewhere on other planets. As for Kolob, a reasonable question must be asked: if we were able to travel on a spaceship to this supposed Kolob, would we be able to meet God himself? If he's living there, then he is a living being, to whom we could introduce ourselves and interact with, right?
I am sure it is possible, but it is totally beyond the knowledge, power and authority of man to travel there.
Mormonism teaches that the elements which compose the earth are billions of years old. In fact they are ageless. The elements were neither created nor destroyed. But the earth itself was organized into it's present state about 6,000 years ago.
For anyone who bought into the propaganda that the earth was created billions of years ago, it is not physically possible. For example when we put a satellite into geosynchronous orbit, we equip those satellites with rockets. Every few months, they have to fire the rockets so the satellite can maintain a stable orbit. The idea that the earth could have maintained a a stable orbit by random chance for billions of years as if it was some sort of perpetual motion machine defies the laws of probability and physics. It becomes even more impossible to believe considering there are 7 or 8 other planets besides the earth and dozens of moons in our own solar system alone each with their own stable orbits.
It cannot happen by blind random chance. It is not possible.
NOPE I wanted to see if it lead's to the Cross and Salvation in Jesus Christ.
The only thing that leads to salvation is your personal relationship with Jesus Christ; did you pray today? Do you have the spirit? Just something to think about, that's all. :-)
BElieve Mathew 24. Warningg of false prophets. And his angels gathering his elect.out of the 4 corners of the earth. Period.
We are supposed to respect and obey the evil sYSTEM but the planets are not flying balloons, one day will know the real truth, but knowing that The Sun & the Moon are closer than 4000 miles from us, that makes me feel a lot closer To Our HEAVENLY FATHER and His Son JESUS CHRIST
What in the world are you talking about? Four thousand miles from us... What?
@@l7846 ALL THE FALSE INFORMATION & PARADIGMS IN YOUR MIND IS A RELIGION, IS NOT YOUR FAULT
There is a lot wrong with your statement. Let's examine them one by one... Scratch that I'll just do it all in one shot. If the Moon and the Sun are only 4,000 miles how do we get solar and lunar eclipses? According to flat earth theory, both the sun and moon rotate around earth at the same height (4,000 miles). Eclipses would be impossible, yet we see them all the time. The moon can not give the light of itself, it has no Luminus properties allowing it to glow. The light we see from the moon is actually from the sun reflecting off of the moon. We also can tell that the moon and the sun aren't in the same orbit when the new moon comes. The New Moon happens when the earth blocks the light from the sun to the moon.
By you teaching the flat earth theory you are taking mankind's knowledge that God has given us concerning all these things.
@@tenor90210 You wish it did, I know the truth and it’s set me free, while you are enslaved by a lie.
I was a Mormon, ex missionary and faithful… then the true Christ came into my life, the Christ of the Bible. Believe me that, it is a different Christ even though Mormons believe it to be the same. It is only after receiving the true christ, the one that died on the cross for me, it is only then that I came to life after believing a deceitful Mormon doctrine for 35 years. Christ is Lord and I pray that all Mormons will find the true messiah that actually saves.
Praise the Lord!
I can't wait for my family to have this happen to them ☺️
Okay. Over the course of my life I have had hundreds of conversations and debates with Christians. A great many of them claim they were once Mormon, though judging by their ignorance of Mormonism, I doubt most of them were telling the truth.
So far, I have never seen a single modern Christian believe the promise made by the Savior in Mark 16:16-20.
Whoso should believe and be baptized shall be saved, and signs of the Holy Ghost follow them that believe. The Bible records that His disciples, healed the sick, raised the dead, cast out devils, survived getting poisoned, prophesied in tongues.
Now I can almost guarantee that you don't believe in any such things as promised by the Savior. If I am correct in my assumption, then how do you consider yourself a Christian if you don't believe in the Savior's promise?
I was a Born Again Baptist that went down and gave myself to Christ almost every week, then I found out that there was a lot more answers to the Eternities and those answers didn't come in a corner church but through the everlasting Gospel that was restored through the Prophet Joseph Smith. We are ALL saved from death through the SAME Jesus Christ. There was a falling away after Jesus death, then a restoration later through Joseph Smith through the direction of Jesus Christ and his Apostles. I'm a lot more happy now knowing that my friends and loved ones will not Burn in Hell for all eternity just because they may not have accepted Jesus in this life, there is more after this life and in the Spirit World, there will still be repentance, we will be pre-judged to go to spirit prison or spirit paradise, but there will be a final judgement that will direct us to the mansion God and Jesus have prepared, there is more my Born Again friends! The Gospel the TRUE one has been restored, seek it out and you too will find the loving Jesus that is fair in all his Judgements!
Zach you are not a ex missionary from The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints. Maybe you served a mission someplace else and didn't know it. Because it sounds like you don't really know what you're talkin about. It sounds more like you're from the CIA
Zack you're not a very good liar either. Maybe in another 35 years you'll be a little bit better when you lie. It will take you a long time to figure that out. You will fry in hell for being a liar.🔥 believe me.
You should replace the use of Mormon with LDS, as Mormon is no longer an accepted term. Great videos.
I don't give in to cancel culture, sorry.
🤔¿What do you think about: "the Urantia Book"?...
The Urantia Book: Revealing the Mysteries of God, the Universe, World History, Jesus, and Ourselves
I havenot heard of such a book, so I have no opinion on it.
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please take a look at this video👀, it has a lot of similarity to Kolob's theorem:
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🌌The Urantia Book Introduction:
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I understand it is the star, closest to the throne of GOD.
I wonder then tho, is the throne of God on a different planet then? Or if the throne of God is a planet or some other thing entirely. I'm LDS & have been pondering more & more into Kolob, where OUR Hesvenly Father came from (its thought in old mormon teaching that He is Elohim, who himself has Havenly parents, goes back farther, etc), where the worlds that we might inherit are, etc.
THIS SOUNDS LIKE AMMON BUNDY
Never met the man.
Strange ending..expected more
I love it .is there realy any limit to space? Is there really any limit to Gods glory? The essence or purposes of life is growth and to become and to overcome. A baby can grow up and become an adult. We can repent grow up and become like our Heavenly parents. I am only one and the Father of my children that does not mean that there cannot be more fathers. The same is true with our Heavenly Father He is only one and the Father of our spirit that does not mean that there cannot be more fathers in heaven to. I love it .let's keep Gods grace and love in our hearts and know that He is our Heavenly Father. .is there realy any limit to our potential as real children of real Heavenly parents. I say parents because we all keep our bodies after resurrection. Why come to earth get a body if we can not keep them after resurrection. Truly the essence of life is growth and to become and to overcome. It is our weaknesses that keep us from God. A baby just does not pop into being an adult. It takes time and added responsibility on ourselves to reach our potential as children of Heavenly parents. You could not develop faith if you new everything and if you new everything you would be a God you are not a God but nearther is a baby an adult. Life is soooooooo beautiful. I choose to be happy and grateful that I like king Bengerman says we should even thank God for the air we breath. Loving likes and thanking good people for truth .
Those are excellent thoughts. i really appreciate them. We are on an eternal progression. We progress by degrees. And this life is a test of of our loyalty to judge our worthiness for something far greater, that exceeds all calculation of the mind and all imagination of the heart.
Your information is good but you are not compliant with what President Nelson said. He said that the Lord revealed to him that we should quit calling the members of the Lord's church "Mormons," and not call the Lord's church the "Mormon" church any more, inasmuch as we were nicknamed that by enemies of the Church (because we believe in The Book of Mormon) and going along with those who oppose us by letting them rename the Lord's Church obscures and gives a false impression of the true identity of the Church. President Nelson urged us to quit going along with those who oppose us in the language we use to refer to the name of the Church and its members. He urged us to use the correct name of the Church and to refer to us as members of The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints. And calling our systems of beliefs "Mormonism" is also out of compliance with what he advised us. In this video I lost count of the many times you disregarded that counsel. Where were you when he repeatedly stated and reiterated that? Disregarding the plainly stated directions from the Prophet of God? Did you not hear him promise blessings for complying with that advice? Sorry but that rubs me the wrong way and diminishes the value of your video quite a bit.
My ancestors have been in the Church since almost the very beginning, and through all the generations, they have used proudly the name Mormon, and Mormonism. All of them. As I have already said to others I don't follow trends. I stand with the traditions of my ancestors and make no apologies. As little as just a few years ago, the church had used Mormon.org as their website. Mormon was one of the greatest prophets of all time.
If you are going to act offended at me for that of all things, then I do not know what to say.
The Savior says in the last days that many will be offended and hate each other.
"10 And then shall many be offended, and shall betray one another, and shall hate one another."
I hate this modern cancel culture, where everyone is offended at one another for because of their words, and everyone finds reason to hate each other.
@@smallhelmonabigship3524 I never said I'm offended at you, nor do I hate you for anything. I too feel that Mormon was a great prophet, and I too love & appreciate him and honor him. I too don't like cancel culture, and that's not what I am calling for here. I too USED TO proudly use the name "Mormon", until the Lord's living prophet received revelation from the Lord instructing us what the Lord wants us to do regarding the name of the church, the name of the members, etc. I just think it would be good to get in line with what the living prophet has said that the Lord wants us to do, especially when publishing to the public. What he says is no trend, it comes from the Lord, especially when the prophet tells it to us in General Conference. It doesn't matter that I USED TO call myself and other church members "Mormons," when the Lord instructs us through his living prophet to change that policy and practice, I change it, regardless of long-standing traditions and culture. How is refusing to comply with the Lord's instructions being true to anyone's ancestors and their practices, or their sacrifices to cross the plains through hardships to stand up for the principle of revering and obeying revelations from the Lord's living prophets? I think if your ancestors could visit you, they too would tell you to comply with the Lord's instructions through his living prophets regarding this subject. Remember that ancestral pride and tradition were a stumbling block to the Jews in the New Testament, and it cause them also to refuse to comply with the Lord's counsel. I have no hatred nor offense at you, I just have a desire for the general public who encounter your videos to not experience something purporting to defend the faith while ironically going contrary to the Lord's instructions through his living prophet. Best wishes to you.
@@smallhelmonabigship3524 when the Prophet of God says to stop the traditions of men and do what God says, those traditions become a stumbling block and a rock of offense. Do you even realize how APOSTATE you just sounded? There is NO SUCH THING as the "Mormon" church there is only the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints. His Church. His name. And if you're not ok with that, you're not HIS disciple.
The Name Connection, a 1983 LDS scholarly paper…
“MORMON-This word could easily have been formed by combining two ancient Egyptian words, mor (“love”) and mon (“established forever”). This would render a meaning of “love established forever.” Further evidence that Mormon is an Egyptian word”
Just like Nephi said!! The name Mormon tells us of the eternal love Heavenly Father has for us, and his eternal plan!! I use BOTH names when speaking about the church, they BOTH have merit!
@@smallhelmonabigship3524 so your pride is holding you back from following the Prophet?
Two sentences in, I was out.
Modern Christians do indeed limit God and man in time and space, but inheriting endless glories through eternal progression deals NOT AT ALL with the Kolob question.
Why not? It all ties together.
Think about it. If you believe you are resurrected and if you are saved, then you are immortal and there is no end to your life, If there is no end to your life, there is also no end to your works. It cannot logically be any other way. If you build something on one day , and build something more the day after that, and the day after that an so on into infinity, then there cannot be any end to your works. Sooner or later you will build worlds.
Kolob represents the governing institution whereby all of that endless work is performed under the direction and glory of God.
That's what led me from normal Christian faith to the "mormon" faith. While sitting in regular Christian churches I always asked, but where were we before Earth? Where did God come from? What happens after we go to Heaven. The LDS church gospel/church is the only one that gave me those answers. And now as I still research & question more; looking into "starseeds"/spirituality, how we may have came from different alien races on different planets, it actually leads me even more to the "mormon" faith esp with teachings like that of Kolob. That there are other planets with other beings, that God is a being & has to live somewhere, that He came from his own Heavenly parents, etc.
Based on fundamental Christian teachings God created the universe and the stars to show His glory and love for mankind and He made it all only for mankind for signs and seasons. So to say there is life out there would dilute God's love for mankind since He died only for us and created them all only for us. Just so you would know how they think.
Yeah. That is what they believe based not on what the Bible says, but what they have themselves interpreted for everyone else what the Bible says. But it is totally illogical that all of these infinite planets capable of holding life were created just to look at? It defies common sense.
It is just like the Nicene Creed. Every modern Christian church in the world lives by various interpretations of the creed. But what is it really?
A group of men met in the fourth century under the authority of the old Roman Empire, and after much debate they supposedly reached a consensus. And then forever more, everyone one earth is expected to abide by the officially sanctioned interpretation of the Bible according to popular opinion reached by consensus of the empire or be condemned as a heretic. There is no love in that. It is nothing more than a relic of the ancient Pagan Empire.
Today, according to the politicians, the "scientists" of the world have met and reached a consensus about climate change, and a host of other issues, and anyone who dares disagree should be "canceled" as a heretic. Nothing ever changes among the wicked.
“Latter Day Saints”.
Give it a rest, Sista. His podcast, his choice.
Yes, yes, * but "one year of God's time is 1,000 years of man's time". And so, without the use of a slide rule, an abacus, or elliptical Boolean algebra, - or a space-age computer, can it not also be spoken that man's history began ~"6,000 years ago", but "the beginning" of our Planet Earth was "before the dinosaurs"? Sure. / And thank you much for your qualified dissertation.
Having been a product of the public school system myself, I have come to realize about 60% to 90% of everything they teach in school is a lie. The German philosopher Friedrich Nietzche stated famously that God is dead and we have killed him.
The whole point of teaching only atheism, macro evolution, eugenics and marxism in schools is to brainwash as many people as possible into rejecting God.
If a belief and knowledge of God is misrepresented as being superstitious, mystical, fantastical and "anti-science" and the people believe just a portion of the lie, then they figure they have succeeded in killing God in the minds of the people. And they have succeeded. Probably more than their wildest imagination. The propaganda of the prophesied strong delusion is so powerful. It has swallowed so many billions of minds.
Pour les Mormons, le Père Céleste était un homme ordinaire qui a évolué (exalté) pour devenir un dieu.🤔
Si nous vivons éternellement? Si nous devenons immortels? Est-il raisonnable qu'il n'y aura pas de fin à nos créations? À quel moment donc, devrions-nous, en tant que fils et filles de Dieu, être considérés comme des dieux?
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Lire psaume 82 ; 6.
*Look up “the Science of Extreme Dilation in Interstellar”.*
Looking it up, there are a lot of opinions on time dilation both pro and con. I always figured time would be reckoned differently on other planets because the orbits around their stars would be different. For example, it takes 12 years for the planet Jupiter to orbit the sun, so one year on Jupiter is 12 years on earth.
Something is missing here.
Please talk to me small helm
I don't wanna dispute the existence of other being (extra-terestrial) but saying that Exalted beings will live forever with God the Father and Jesus Christ and THAT EXALTED BEING WILL BECOME GODS AND GODDESSES, the meaning of GOD, NO MATTER THE RELIGION, loses all it's meaning.......just saying....
How so? There are tens of billions of galaxies that we are capable of seeing through telescopes. Each galaxy has tens of billions of stars. If you live forever and you create just one planet around one of those stars, how does that diminish the Godhead who rules the universe? How do they lose their meaning? If anything it adds to their dominion, and yours too.
So this world (Earth 🌎) is *_ONLY_* 6,000 years old? 😳
The philosophies of atheism as endorsed by the establishment are dead to me. They are bad science, they make no sense, they defy all probability, and frankly they are impossible.
@Small Helm on a Big Ship I'm talking pure & absolutely proven science whose experiments and diagnostic results may be replicated and duplicated by any and everyone, no matter their religion, race, or creed. NOTHING, nay not one single aspect of such I spoke has zero to do with atheism and/or philosophies.
.....check Orion's belt......Kolob exists there........GOOD LUCK!!!!!
But that's not true. The Mormon God(s) are not without beginning.
And what do you know about it? Have you been open minded enough to study it or tried to understand it? Or do you think merely what others have told you what to think?
"for as much as you know that man is formed in the likeness and image of God, who is eternal spirit, you know also that man is eternal spirit, like unto God; and like unto God neither was nor could be created."
Is Kolob in the Bible? Hello? Tell us about "Reformed Egyptian" Tell us about the Book of Abraham (the standard funerary text). Face it, mormonism is an earlier version of scientology.
"25 Thou hast also made our words powerful and great, even that we cannot write them; wherefore, when we write we behold our weakness, and stumble because of the placing of our words; and I fear lest the Gentiles shall mock at our words.
26 And when I had said this, the Lord spake unto me, saying: Fools mock, but they shall mourn; and my grace is sufficient for the meek, that they shall take no advantage of your weakness;
27 And if men come unto me I will show unto them their weakness. I give unto men weakness that they may be humble; and my grace is sufficient for all men that humble themselves before me; for if they humble themselves before me, and have faith in me, then will I make weak things become strong unto them.
28 Behold, I will show unto the Gentiles their weakness, and I will show unto them that faith, hope and charity bringeth unto me-the fountain of all righteousness." Book of Mormon
As a lifelong Mormon, I see at least five incorrect statements this author claims as Mormon beliefs which are NOT. Shame, shame. The lengthy "quotes" from minute 12 to the end are NOT from Mormon scripture, except for the very last quote which mentions Kolob. It is NOT Mormon doctrine that the earth was created 6,000 years ago. The author of this video series is not authoritative.
You said:
" It is NOT Mormon doctrine that the earth was created 6,000 years ago. "
So why do you say such things? The Apostle Orson Pratt is an authority in the Church. He was called by revelation to Joseph Smith to be an authority in the Church.
"We know that it was not six thousand years from the creation to the birth of Christ. How do we know this? God has told us in new revelation that this earth is destined to continue its temporal existence for seven thousand years, and that at the commencement of the seventh thousand, he will cause seven angels to sound their trumpets. In other words, we may call it the Millennium, for the meaning of the world millennium is a thousand years. Six thousand years must pass away from the creation till the time that Jesus comes in the clouds of heaven, and he will not come exactly at the expiration of six thousand years. When the Prophet Joseph asked the Lord what was meant by the sounding of the seven trumpets, he was told, "That as God made the world in six days, and on the seventh day he finished his work and sanctified it, and also formed man out of the dust of the earth; even so in the beginning of the seventh thousand years, will the Lord God sanctify the earth, and complete the salvation of man, and judge all things and shall redeem all things, except that which he hath not put into his power when he shall have sealed all things unto the end of all things, and the sounding of the trumpets of the seven angels is the preparing and finishing of his work, in the beginning of the seventh thousand years; to prepare the way before the time of his coming." This quotation will be found in the Pearl of Great Price"
JD 15:264, Orson Pratt, December 29, 1872
Mormons vs each other, 🤦♂️
Why do you want to say
"Mormons" Instead of The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints,,It's what our prophet has told us that Jesus is wanting used now.
Not Mormon, for he is a prophet and not the head of the church.
In the first place, I wrote this piece over twenty years ago. Back then, The church encouraged people to use the word Mormon. A man even purchased the website named mormon dot org for something like a million dollars and then donated it to the Church. The Church then used that name as their official website, even promoting it in their commercials.
In the second place, since I am not a member of the Church, I never got the memo that the Church had again changed their mind on this name.
In the third place, I have received many contentious messages from members angry with me for using that name. Of all the things to get angry about. Of all the evils raging in the world. All of this indignation and cancel culture nonsense from church members over the use of this sacred name seems petty to me. Surprising actually.
In the fourth place. since the very beginning of the Church, members from the presidents and Apostles down to the rank and file members have used the name Mormon to describe themselves. It is in nearly every story. To not use that name, I would have to alter everything, and I am not going to do it. I am honored by that name, and I am not ashamed to take it upon myself. If I am the only person in the world to use it, then I am no less honored. I am privileged, if I could stand in such good company as the Saints who called themselves Mormon.
This was several years agp
The name of Mormons do not belong to us, only we are allowed to be called through the name of Jesus Christ, and that is who we follow and the name He give us to be call ourselves. That’s what we are allow to call ourselves.
If ppl had any intellect u would know kolob is ancient Egyptian term.
Which stands for the star Sirius.
Which Sirius was represented by the goddess Soodet, and she wore the 5 pointed star on her head
That star is known as a DUAT
Which is the underworld!!!
U ppl are singing rituals of ancient Egyptian witchcraft
Pay attention !
This isn't the only song that doesn't have any kind of godly meaning in it
The blind lead the blind
Smh
Do you have any legitimate references for that claim?
After watching this whole video, I am glad I don't believe this bull.
What do you believe in then?
Kolob is a STAR, not a planet. The title of the video destroys its credibility. "Mormon" is no longer an appropriate moniker for Latter-day Saints! The only purpose of the Kolob text was to demonstrate to Abraham in terms the Egyptians would understand how Jesus is the most intelligent in the hierarchy of intelligences just as Kolob is the brightest in the hierarchy of stars. It's not about astronomy!
How do you know that Kolob is not so much more than a star or a planet? Yes, it governs the order of stars which include this sun and this world. But I do not believe it is merely a planet or a star.
Yes, I got the point loud and clear about all the people who no longer wish to be Mormons. And I agree, they shouldn't have to be Mormons, if they don't want to be. People who are ashamed by the name should never have to use it again.
Since I do a lot of historical readings it is impossible for me to ever disassociate the term with the volumes of books which use the name. But for everyone else who have banished the name from their lives, I totally agree. It is inappropriate to refer to them as Mormons ever again.
@@smallhelmonabigship3524 I perceive your feathers are ruffled. My focus is to help Latter-day Saints improve the quality of their RUclips posts, not to offend.
I am proud to be a Mormon but am trying to use "Latter-day Saint" as President Nelson requested in 2018. (see www.yahoo.com/lifestyle/church-president-latter-day-saints-222522194.html)
As for Kolob, Abraham wrote, "I saw the stars, that they were very great, and that one of them was nearest unto the throne of God." (Abr 3:2) So, it's a star. But it is indeed more than an ordinary type of star. Because of its massiveness, it must be a black hole. Only a black hole could be the first creation (like Jesus) and still exist today. All fusion stars created at the beginning would have run out of fuel by now. The larger the star, the shorter its life.
A star so large that its gravity governs other stars whose gravity governs other stars is too massive to avoid collapsing into a black hole.
The Kolob metaphor is this, that just as Kolob, "the greatest of all", governs the movement of nearby stars gravitationally, which in turn govern other stars gravitationally, and so on through the entire galaxy, Jehovah governs the entire creation through a hierarchy of influence. (Abr 3:16-19)
Sgr A* (Sgr A star) is the most massive star in the galaxy and lies at the central hub. Michael D. Rhodes, wrote that Kolob, “most likely derives from the common Semitic root *QLB, which has the basic meaning of ‘heart, center, middle.’ In fact, the Arabic form of this word, qalb, is in the Semitic names of several of the brightest stars in the sky including Antares, Regulus, and Canopus”. (Review of Books on the Book of Mormon, p124)
For example, Antares, the star at the heart of the constellation Scorpius, is still known in the Mideast as Kalb al Akrab, meaning “heart of the crab”. (constellation-guide.com/antares, DL 20 Feb 2019) Standardization of Arabic transliteration replaced kalb with qalb for heart (kalb now means dog) but the name of the star has not changed.
In Hebrew, the word for heart is לב, and for in is ב and together (קלב) they translate to English as Calab, meaning in the heart. (translate.google.com, DL 1 Jun 2018) So, Kolob makes a great Semitic name for the galaxy’s heart star.
It's just my opinion, but I recommend you change the title of your video and remake it to explain that Kolob is a metaphor for Jesus at the top of a powerful hierarchy and that the other stars represent all other intelligences that are subject to Him. You might also explain that Abraham chapter 3 is not a lesson in astronomy. Rather, it is what God told Abraham to use in teaching the Egyptians about the Creator. Thus, it reflects some Egyptian beliefs about the cosmos that do not necessarily represent astrophysical reality. And, it wouldn't hurt to show Kolob's and Kokob's linguistical etymologies as per Michael Rhodes' research. I would also cut everything from the video that has nothing to do with Kolob or change the title to reflect the broader scope.
People of all walks of life watch RUclips videos. The videos made by church members should be respectable, credible, on point, top notch, and at least have a title that's not incorrect.
@@suedohnim8019 Some of your information is good. Sounds like you need to do a video on it yourself.
As for myself, I didn't talk about astronomy at all, except to talk about the enormous size of the universe, and reflect on the teachings of Joseph Smith concerning the age of the earth and the stars. Much of what we think we know about astronomy like the big bang theory(creation by blind random chance), black hole theory, etc. are either based on wild unprovable conjecture, or derived from extremely limited knowledge.
The Lord says all knowledge will pass away at His coming, save that knowledge which comes from God. The universe we see is observable. We can see billions of stars, billions of galaxies, and that gives us pause to wonder, and so I talked about it. Most of the opinions and theories of men have limited interest to me. If you don't like my opinions, then I am perfectly okay with people agreeing with me or disagreeing with me. I don't want anybody following me or trusting me. Salvation is an individual work
As for you using the name Mormon, if you don't want to use it, then fine, but don't tell others not to use the name. The leaders of the Church are mortal men, just like the rest of us. And just like the rest of us, they have the free agency given them by god to be wrong and commit sin just like the rest of us. A prophet is not a prophet unless they prophesy in the name of the Lord. For everyone to hang on their ever changing opinions as though they are prophecy and shame anyone else who doesn't agree is actually sinful, and gives credence to the enemies of the church who claim the church is a cult. The ability to prophesy cannot happen unless a man has purged himself of all evil as the book of Mormon says.
People who arent in the church are going to contour to call it the mormon church, mormon religion. All we can do is continue to show that our church is based on Jesus Christ, not mormon. But we xant jusge those who still base us on what the world has perceive us as for centuries.
I disagree too. I think Kolob is based on astronomy. And that makes me believe our religion/gospel even more. Cuz then the more ppl turn to science & "away" from God & religion, it makes me believe it even more. It shows that even science can be explained by God & WE (the LDS church) have the fullness of that doctrine/knowledge!
F’n nuts
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If it predates the creation 6000 years ago, that means that the Bible is wrong. That is blasphemy. I'll stick to the Bible instead
Are you saying that your interpretation of the Bible maintains that God created the visible universe on the fourth day of creation? That doesn't make a lot of sense.
My interpretation makes much more common sense. And no, there is nothing blasphemous about disagreeing with your opinion. You don't speak for the Lord.
"And God made two great lights; the greater light to rule the day, and the lesser light to rule the night: he made the stars also." Genesis 1:16
It says here that during the creation of the earth, God made "TWO" great lights. The Sun to rule the day and the moon to rule the night. Then it says God made the stars also. That doesn't necessarily mean that on the fourth day of creation God made the sun and the moon and then as kind of an afterthought, God made the rest of the universe, complete with all of the other other planets, and uncounted trillions of other suns in tens of billions of other galaxies outside of this one. All on the fourth day? Where is the logic in that?
Persecution is a choice
No, to persecute another human being is a choice.
First Kolob is a star, not a planet. You start off on the wrong foot.
Thank you for responding to me. To clear up the confusion, I do mention Kolob being a star in the video.
Scoffers, ridiculers and unbelievers most frequently refer to Kolob as a planet in their rants. All of the churches who present Mormonism in a very negative light to their followers, almost always refer to Kolob as a planet. So for people who are ignorant of the subject, they are much more likely to come across the rants of the scoffers than anything that casts the subject in a positive light.
So in the hopes of reaching those who are honestly curious about what they have already heard about Kolob, I presented the title as a question: "What about the Planet Kolob?"
I have agree with (Icriedtoday) You clearly state that Kolob is a planet which will only add to the confusion who know nothing about this LDS teaching. Plus it will probably confuse those who do. Further more your title for this vid is misleading since it really doesn’t delve into the particulars of Kolob other than your closing statement where you quote from the book of Abraham. I am sure you had good intent but it is somewhat misleading as to what you want your message to be given the title you chose for this video.
Starbase Kolob?
So you cry everyday?
@@TheShodan92 Its God's headquarters where he can see everything.
Kolob is a star. Not a planet.
2 And I saw the stars, that they were very great, and that one of them was nearest unto the throne of God; and there were many great ones which were near unto it;
3 And the Lord said unto me: These are the governing ones; and the name of the great one is Kolob, because it is near unto me, for I am the Lord thy God: I have set this one to govern all those which belong to the same order as that upon which thou standest
Abraham 3:2-3
Pearl of Great Price
Kolob is the main “governing” star that controls other governing great ones. Controlling time as one of their functions. It is the star that is closest to God throne in heaven. Not a planet and he doesn’t live on it.
I know what and where Kolob is. But the scientific evidence is scattered and fragmented. When the cosmic microwave background radiation of the universe was measured, Kolob showed up. And three teams where assigned to disprove what they found. The first two teams said that the data was correct. That there was a universe in mass black hole in the lower right corner of the image. This unimaginable object would change everything. It would explain the red shift, dark mater, dark energy the accelerating universe and disprove the big bang. The universe would then be eternal. Always renewing itself in endless eternal rounds.
The third team assigned said that it was just a place where our universe bumped into a neighboring one. Yet the data didn't support that interpretation.
When papers where written about this scientific ground shaking object they were discredited. Web pages disappeared, and scientist ostracized. Even the location of Kolob in the image taken by the Planck mission is sometimes covered by a cut and paste image, or even the presenter’s thumb.
The best paper written about this discovery had to go live in the far corners of the web at cosmology dot com. Where it still exists today but with the title The Sky Is Falling: The Universe is Collapsing in a Big Crunch by R. Gabriel Joseph.
Question! Show it to Me in the bible! Because Joseph Smith has been Proven to be A fraud ! Because GOD the GOD of Abraham Issac and Jacob According to the Bible has never dealt with Joseph Smith or Any other Nation but his people the Hebrew Israelites ( Amos 3:1-2),
Which Bible are you referring to? The Bible that was compiled by the Roman Catholic Church, and for over one thousand years was the only Bible approved for use throughout western Europe. Which is the presently accepted Bible by all western Churches and the only Bible people like you accept today. On the other hand, the Bible of the Armenian Orthodox Church which is even more ancient than the Catholic Church once had the Testament of the Twelve Patriarchs in it. I bet you probably never heard of that book before according to your upbringing. There has also been found fragments of that book among the Dead Sea Scrolls in Israel. The Dead Sea Scrolls predate the Roman Catholic bible by many hundreds of years. The Dead Sea Scrolls also contain the words of Moses that are nowhere to be found in your present Bible.
"3 And because my words shall hiss forth-many of the Gentiles shall say: A Bible! A Bible! We have got a Bible, and there cannot be any more Bible.
4 But thus saith the Lord God: O fools, they shall have a Bible; and it shall proceed forth from the Jews, mine ancient covenant people. And what thank they the Jews for the Bible which they receive from them? Yea, what do the Gentiles mean? Do they remember the travails, and the labors, and the pains of the Jews, and their diligence unto me, in bringing forth salvation unto the Gentiles?
5 O ye Gentiles, have ye remembered the Jews, mine ancient covenant people? Nay; but ye have cursed them, and have hated them, and have not sought to recover them. But behold, I will return all these things upon your own heads; for I the Lord have not forgotten my people.
6 Thou fool, that shall say: A Bible, we have got a Bible, and we need no more Bible. Have ye obtained a Bible save it were by the Jews?
7 Know ye not that there are more nations than one? Know ye not that I, the Lord your God, have created all men, and that I remember those who are upon the isles of the sea; and that I rule in the heavens above and in the earth beneath; and I bring forth my word unto the children of men, yea, even upon all the nations of the earth?
8 Wherefore murmur ye, because that ye shall receive more of my word? Know ye not that the testimony of two nations is a witness unto you that I am God, that I remember one nation like unto another? Wherefore, I speak the same words unto one nation like unto another. And when the two enations shall run together the testimony of the two nations shall run together also." - Book of Mormon
Joseph of Egypt, (you do recognize him, right? He prophesied about Joseph Smith, but many truths were removed from the Bible. Open your eyes, what are you afraid of? Maybe truth that contradicts your beliefs now? That is scary! Read Big Helms repy to you, and God, open the peoples eyes, as William Tindale said to King Henry 8th
@@Jan-wd1is That's the biggest lie ever been told ! Joseph never prophesied about Joseph Smith that's one of the lies that the Mormons
always tell
@@jameswinesgreenspunjhs8954 OK, if you say so. I was raised in a home that believed like you. Christ ran into the same type of people when He taught the Pharisees. He was trying to teach his own, the Jews, who should understand the scriptures and prophecies about the Messiah, but they were blinded by tradition, by appearances, by listening to what the leaders of the synagogue taught instead of reading the words of the Prophets themselves. Modern day Pharisees , and tradition and false teachers are doing the same today.
@@jameswinesgreenspunjhs8954 In Revelation Chapter 11, it says in the end times there will be two great prophets who will prophesy in the streets of Jerusalem for three and a half years, and no one will be able to stop them. Peter also said that in the last days, old men will see visions, and young men and women will prophesy. Whatever will you do when these great prophecies will be added to the Scriptures?
It seems that some people are destined to prove the saying true that there are none so blind as those who refuse to see.
This is all a lie, repent and ask God for forgiveness