C'était super! J'ai aimé la musique et les bips d'avertissement lorsque vous aviez un vélo sur votre queue. Votre accélérer certaines de ces collines était éblouissante.
Enorme la vidéo ! Une dédicace particulière pour les pointeurs "target" qui mettent la pression ;) Les derniers se sont d'ailleurs bien accrochés. Pour résumer, un vélomobile, outre le confort, c'est comme si t'étais en mode sprint VD, c'est assez énorme. Les gars qui te suivent sprintent mais, et c'est normal, abandonnent au bout d'une minute ou deux ;)
et encore, les conditions n'étaient pas réunies ce jour là : il était 13h et j'étais a jeun depuis 6 heures, pas d'eau avec moi (taré le mec ^^) et je n'avais pas le toit, toit qui me fait bien gagner 8 km/h en pointe ! ... je ferais une prochaine vidéo ou l'écart de performance avec un vélo droit sera plus flagrante :-)
Certainly fun and fast! Of course they cannot be comparable though, since at less than the price of a velomobile you can buy a trail mtb + a triathlon bike + a road bike + an urban commuter bike and hence have a lot more versatility, so it's all a matter of personal needs and preferences. :)
+Marco Ottaviano I believe you underestimate the costs of a high-end tri bike, high-end road bike and hi-end mtb. Any one of those can get to 50% of the cost of a Velomobile.
+Duncan Watson That's true, you're partly right. Thinking about it, I'd rather have a cyclocross than a tt bike though. However, you don't need a top-end mtb, or road, or cyclocross to have fun and to ride fast (in other words, spending 900% more money on those, gives you probably less than a 5% advantage in speed). :)
@@jonabub je viens d'acheter mon premier couché 2 roues . si je m'en sers bien comme prevu je chopperai un trois roue plus tard et je ferai un carenage moi meme. c'est trop cher pour moi sinon
@@TheMadsenmads C'est ce que je me suis dit aussi. J'ai meme collecté des pancartes de coroplaste lors des dernières élections ici. Mais je redoutes un peu le poids du véhicules final et je me demande si ma Speedmachine n'aurais pas elle aussi besoin d'un p'tit carénage. Même s'il ne serais pas complet. Juste le fait d'avoir les pieds au chaus et sec m'intrigue.
Tu prends quoi comme doppage pour doubler des vélos de 10 kg avec un bouzin de 30 dans une côte à 18% ? Et c'est un vélomobilste qui te pose la question
I've been thinking, after watching these things for a couple days, that it might be cool to build one kinda like Craig Breedlove's Spirit of America. The black streamliner. Add some gears for more torque multiplication. Not sure how you guys do it? I'd like to get one up to 120mph.
Alors là avancer comme ça dans de telles bosses !!! Rassure moins tu as une assistance électrique ?? quand à la vitesse en descente ou sur plat hallucinant, bravo belle machine mais bonnes cuisses aussi. Je roule en Vélo couché bien moins vite, mais avec énormément de plaisir. Vive les Velomobiles et ceux qui les font connaître .
Never! A recumbent trike with full aerodynamic faring (Velomobile) has 6 advantages that permanently outclass every upright bike even the best racing bikes. 1) Reclining position allows for more efficient use of legs, body and back because the rider can push against the back of his seat it will allow for more pressure on pedals than an upright would with full body weight on the pedals. 2) Reclining position means the heart doesn’t have to work against gravity pumping the blood vertical instead pumping the blood horizontally means less stress on the heart and better cardio response from the body. 3) Three wheels means vehicle stability even on the steepest of inclines. The rider of an upright may not be able to keep up the speed necessary to keep his bike balanced; while the rider of a recumbent or Velomobile can go as slow or fast as his energy allows. 4) The low profile of a Velomobile means less wind resistance. 5) The aerodynamic shell means greater speed with less effort. 6) Long term comfort of arms, hands, crotch, back, legs and you get to see the scenery. That is why upright bicycles can’t reach highway speeds but Velomobile can. The land speed record for an HPV is 83 MPH. An upright bicycle can never do that.
Anthony Rizzo This doesn't really answer his question. I agree you gave good advantages and this video showed recumbents climb very well! But we don't know who was putting more power on the hills. At some point wind drag isn't much of an issue anymore and weight becomes by far the biggest factor. A good cyclist with correct gearing can climb pretty much any hill without having to stop and can also zig zag to reduce perceived gradient, something a recumbent can't do without taking too much space.
purpleblueunicorn "At what grade does bikes weight advantage climb better?" "Never!" Meaning, IMHO, as I coached road riders; it's not the bike, it's the rider ...that climbs hills. That said, on a Diamond Frame (DF), the lighter the bike, it will typically be stiffer, have better geometry, quality components with less friction including hub/bearing quality and better lacing and tires. Weight advantage typically comes with quality advantage. So it's not a GRADE issue but more a fitness/experience/bike quality issue and a lot of it is individual. The video is a young seasoned Velo rider with excellent cardio and cadence using aerodynamics and leverage to go fast. I have never zig zagged up a hill on my recumbents ('bent). But 'bents don't have to zig zag because of the mechanical and aerodynamic advantage mentioned by Anthony Rizzo. We all push against some wind even when climbing; recumbents, less. Point: The most force you can apply to a pedal on a DF is your body weight (and not all of it on one pedal) when out of the saddle. Otherwise you are spinning or using gravity and pulling on the handlebars. A 'bent spins up a hill but they can "put your back into it" by basically doing seated leg presses. And I can press more with my back supported, you have more leverage. It's an acquired skill. ;) www.fietsersafstappen.nl/english/focus-breathe-how-to-climb-fast-with-a-recumbent/ Have fun... BadBent
BadBent You're still not answering his question, I'll answer at the end of the message (5% grade). There is a grade where weight becomes an advantage, we're talking 30kg vs 7kg. This is huge! I agree you can push more on a recumbent, but you need to be able to provide this aerobic output and even though you can squat 150kg, you won't sustain this non-stop for 1 min :) For a 73kg rider this is a .8W/kg advantage. But don't take my word for it, use an accurate calculator. Bike wins against recumbent while pushing a very generous 300W at only 5%. At 200W equilibrium is 4%. In other words, this guy was racing, others were strolling. www.gribble.org/cycling/power_v_speed.html (using 0.01 frontal aerea and 0.01 loss% for the recumbent which are crazy low values). And unless you're pushing 400W, bike and components won't matter (unless you're a salesman), I've tried it and I do have a power meter.
+Vélomobile - France That is too bad. It totally adds to your fantastic video. It is an inspirationally fun video. When people tell me Velomobiles can't climb I show them your video. Have you thought of posting it on Veoh or Vimeo with the music track back in place?
Aucune ! Sinon ce ne serait pas rigolo ! Evidemment, la vitesse dépend du vélomobile et celui qui y pédale ... dans cette vidéo j'étais bien rouge ^^ mais ça ne se voit pas !
Is that a circuit course? Is everyone doing multiple laps? You keep passing old ladies, and I can't understand how you have not passed all of the slow riders when fast riders keep coming up behind you.
6:00 - It annoys me when people think they can draft a velomobile. 1) They can't 2) It's dangerous 3) If you do brake suddenly then end up breaking your velomobile. I get very annoyed when they do this and either tell them to @#$% off... or just accelerate away and watch them slowly die of exhaustion.
@@SimonWoodburyForget Or your legs if you are a long time BMXer. There is a few short 18% (about 250meter)where i live and back when i BMX all the time I would sprint up em as fast as possible. Its was alway fun cos that would be the only time i'd overtake roadies on my BMX! (or to clarify, that was on a 42 teeth front chain ring to 16 back, race gearing)
no ! In the past I just used my tt bike for Fun, never for move ! When I discover the recumbent, my life changed ^^ after : 9000 km with optima stinger recumbent and 23 000 km with my Waw velomobile ;-)
Vous savez que ce n'est pas bien de comparer des vélos qui n'ont rien à voir. Sur un vélo de route, y'a pas de leviers, de système elliptiques, c'est vraiment tout à la force des jambes. Ça reste deux appareils très différents. C'est comme si tu comparais un vélo route et un Fixie. Et comme tu le dis dans un de tes commentaires, tu n'es pas un grand rouleur à la base. Il faudrait refaire la même vidéo mais cette fois-ci, les mecs que tu doubles seraient également en HPV et tu filmerais de devant crois moi! Sinon, à essayer pour passer la barre des 90kmh sur sol plat!
+Keep Cycling Bonjour, exact, c'est pourquoi je n'ai pas annoncé de vitesses, de puissance ou de mesure pointue car je sais que le vélomobile est de toute façon plus performant. le but n'est évidement pas de comparer une ferrari au pot de yaourt... ici je montre juste qu'un jeune sans grande préparation peu se faire plaisir en dépassant certains vélos droits bien affutés. et c'est seulement grace au vélomobile, cette machine plus fine, qui offre un meilleur rendement au pédalage. J'ai déjà eu affaire à des gros rouleurs en vélomobile, notamment pendant les championnats du monde 2014 et 2015 auxquels j'ai participé. ils étaient bien loin devant moi ! Mais c'est aussi parce qu'ils avaient des vélomobiles encore plus performants !
Bravo pour la performance, évidemment, mais aussi pour le montage et l'adéquation des fonds musicaux 👌 !!!
tres bien mes ami! I LOVED the chase music! A LOT of credit to those riders who were almost able to keep up with you!
C'était super! J'ai aimé la musique et les bips d'avertissement lorsque vous aviez un vélo sur votre queue. Votre accélérer certaines de ces collines était éblouissante.
Enorme la vidéo ! Une dédicace particulière pour les pointeurs "target" qui mettent la pression ;)
Les derniers se sont d'ailleurs bien accrochés.
Pour résumer, un vélomobile, outre le confort, c'est comme si t'étais en mode sprint VD, c'est assez énorme. Les gars qui te suivent sprintent mais, et c'est normal, abandonnent au bout d'une minute ou deux ;)
Nice one! 18% steep hill, impressive!
Impressionnant et belle vidéo de poursuite, ça donne envie d'essayer ça!
Impressive climbing work in the beginning. Nice edit good music. Good movie!
Great video! Thanks for showing the world what 'bents can do!
Loved it! Great timing with that music, at one point I thought, is that thing motorized? but no lol!
et encore, les conditions n'étaient pas réunies ce jour là : il était 13h et j'étais a jeun depuis 6 heures, pas d'eau avec moi (taré le mec ^^) et je n'avais pas le toit, toit qui me fait bien gagner 8 km/h en pointe ! ... je ferais une prochaine vidéo ou l'écart de performance avec un vélo droit sera plus flagrante :-)
Excellent montage très sympa 👍
Comment t’as mis la misère à tout le monde 😱super 👏génial 👍
Certainly fun and fast! Of course they cannot be comparable though, since at less than the price of a velomobile you can buy a trail mtb + a triathlon bike + a road bike + an urban commuter bike and hence have a lot more versatility, so it's all a matter of personal needs and preferences. :)
+Marco Ottaviano I believe you underestimate the costs of a high-end tri bike, high-end road bike and hi-end mtb. Any one of those can get to 50% of the cost of a Velomobile.
+Duncan Watson That's true, you're partly right. Thinking about it, I'd rather have a cyclocross than a tt bike though. However, you don't need a top-end mtb, or road, or cyclocross to have fun and to ride fast (in other words, spending 900% more money on those, gives you probably less than a 5% advantage in speed). :)
ptain j'adore c'que t'a fais avec la musique! trop fort! j'en veux plus! je ne peux plus que rêver d'en avoir un moi aussi :) merciii
alors tu en as un maintenant ?
@@TheMadsenmads malheureusement non, ça n'a que suffit pour un vélo couché, mais ne continue à rêver ;)😊😊😊.
@@jonabub je viens d'acheter mon premier couché 2 roues . si je m'en sers bien comme prevu je chopperai un trois roue plus tard et je ferai un carenage moi meme. c'est trop cher pour moi sinon
@@TheMadsenmads C'est ce que je me suis dit aussi. J'ai meme collecté des pancartes de coroplaste lors des dernières élections ici. Mais je redoutes un peu le poids du véhicules final et je me demande si ma Speedmachine n'aurais pas elle aussi besoin d'un p'tit carénage. Même s'il ne serais pas complet. Juste le fait d'avoir les pieds au chaus et sec m'intrigue.
LOVE IT!! you are very strong!
Belle assistance électrique !
Excellent avec les musiques choisies 😂😂😂
Awesome! That is what I hope to achieve when I get my velo.
C'est marrant cette impression que c'est toujours filmé en descente !
C'est vraiment bleuffant !
We need more videos like this.
Haaa, awesome vid!!! Loved the chases
Tu prends quoi comme doppage pour doubler des vélos de 10 kg avec un bouzin de 30 dans une côte à 18% ? Et c'est un vélomobilste qui te pose la question
Une assistance électrique tout simplement
David est fort et ce ne sont pas des cadors à côté, tout simplement !
@@thirymx1486 Il n'y a pas d'assistance electrique, 100% musculaire, c'est indiqué à la fin de la vidéo.
Il y en a deux qui l'on talonné quand meme
Je ne comprends pas le français, mais c'était amusant à regarder! (écrit avec Google Translate).
I've been thinking, after watching these things for a couple days, that it might be cool to build one kinda like Craig Breedlove's Spirit of America. The black streamliner. Add some gears for more torque multiplication. Not sure how you guys do it? I'd like to get one up to 120mph.
the music was so good
Alors là avancer comme ça dans de telles bosses !!!
Rassure moins tu as une assistance électrique ??
quand à la vitesse en descente ou sur plat hallucinant, bravo belle machine mais bonnes cuisses aussi.
Je roule en Vélo couché bien moins vite, mais avec énormément de plaisir.
Vive les Velomobiles et ceux qui les font connaître .
Le "JAWS", hahahaha!
Recumbent always wins ;-)
yeah plus aeroshell = bigger win hahaha
❤️
Great vid, thnx for posting
the music really nice. the RB rider push their limit!
c'est un quest ?? modele a 2 ou 3 roux ?
en tout cas ca reste 100 fois mieux qu'un velo droit ^^
non, je n'ai pas d'assistance électrique, et puis mon waw119 n'en veux pas non plus ^^
You are HPV super hero!
Bonjour pouvais vous me dire ou acheter se style de vélo merci d’avance.
JV Cycle, ca coute entre 5000 et 10000 pour les plus rapide
Wow I thought it would suffer the climbs... took 18% with no sweat xD
Salut, j'adorrrre ta vidéo @+ Normandie-bents
Bonjour, je roule à vélo couché mais je serais bien intéressé par un vélomobile, est ce vraiment plus performant même en côte ?
avec assistance electrique oui. L'avantage du velomobile c est surtout en dehors des cotes, beaucoup moins fatiguant grace a l'aerodynamisme
@@MrRirate ca ne contredit en rien mon propos
Cooles Video 👌😂
At what grade does bikes weight advantage climb better?
Never! A recumbent trike with full aerodynamic faring (Velomobile) has 6 advantages that permanently outclass every upright bike even the best racing bikes.
1) Reclining position allows for more efficient use of legs, body and back because the rider can push against the back of his seat it will allow for more pressure on pedals than an upright would with full body weight on the pedals.
2) Reclining position means the heart doesn’t have to work against gravity pumping the blood vertical instead pumping the blood horizontally means less stress on the heart and better cardio response from the body.
3) Three wheels means vehicle stability even on the steepest of inclines. The rider of an upright may not be able to keep up the speed necessary to keep his bike balanced; while the rider of a recumbent or Velomobile can go as slow or fast as his energy allows.
4) The low profile of a Velomobile means less wind resistance.
5) The aerodynamic shell means greater speed with less effort.
6) Long term comfort of arms, hands, crotch, back, legs and you get to see the scenery.
That is why upright bicycles can’t reach highway speeds but Velomobile can. The land speed record for an HPV is 83 MPH. An upright bicycle can never do that.
Anthony Rizzo This doesn't really answer his question. I agree you gave good advantages and this video showed recumbents climb very well! But we don't know who was putting more power on the hills. At some point wind drag isn't much of an issue anymore and weight becomes by far the biggest factor. A good cyclist with correct gearing can climb pretty much any hill without having to stop and can also zig zag to reduce perceived gradient, something a recumbent can't do without taking too much space.
purpleblueunicorn
"At what grade does bikes weight advantage climb better?" "Never!"
Meaning, IMHO, as I coached road riders; it's not the bike, it's the rider ...that climbs hills. That said, on a Diamond Frame (DF), the lighter the bike, it will typically be stiffer, have better geometry, quality components with less friction including hub/bearing quality and better lacing and tires. Weight advantage typically comes with quality advantage. So it's not a GRADE issue but more a fitness/experience/bike quality issue and a lot of it is individual.
The video is a young seasoned Velo rider with excellent cardio and cadence using aerodynamics and leverage to go fast.
I have never zig zagged up a hill on my recumbents ('bent). But 'bents don't have to zig zag because of the mechanical and aerodynamic advantage mentioned by Anthony Rizzo. We all push against some wind even when climbing; recumbents, less.
Point: The most force you can apply to a pedal on a DF is your body weight (and not all of it on one pedal) when out of the saddle. Otherwise you are spinning or using gravity and pulling on the handlebars. A 'bent spins up a hill but they can "put your back into it" by basically doing seated leg presses. And I can press more with my back supported, you have more leverage. It's an acquired skill. ;)
www.fietsersafstappen.nl/english/focus-breathe-how-to-climb-fast-with-a-recumbent/
Have fun...
BadBent
BadBent You're still not answering his question, I'll answer at the end of the message (5% grade). There is a grade where weight becomes an advantage, we're talking 30kg vs 7kg. This is huge! I agree you can push more on a recumbent, but you need to be able to provide this aerobic output and even though you can squat 150kg, you won't sustain this non-stop for 1 min :) For a 73kg rider this is a .8W/kg advantage. But don't take my word for it, use an accurate calculator. Bike wins against recumbent while pushing a very generous 300W at only 5%. At 200W equilibrium is 4%. In other words, this guy was racing, others were strolling.
www.gribble.org/cycling/power_v_speed.html (using 0.01 frontal aerea and 0.01 loss% for the recumbent which are crazy low values). And unless you're pushing 400W, bike and components won't matter (unless you're a salesman), I've tried it and I do have a power meter.
Excelente!!!
Could you post some information about the music for the last few minutes of the video? Thanks.
The Black Eyed Peas - Pump It
non c'est un waw, deux roue devant et une roue derrière. voir sur mon site : velomobile-francepointcom
Has the sound been shut down?
+MewFushisDad because a music owner don't want to heard it on my video ... (eye of tiger) so all sound is shut down by RUclips ...
+Vélomobile - France
That is too bad. It totally adds to your fantastic video. It is an inspirationally fun video. When people tell me Velomobiles can't climb I show them your video. Have you thought of posting it on Veoh or Vimeo with the music track back in place?
+Vélomobile - France you can replace the song in youtube editor though.
there could be more wind resistance behind the velomobile.
Assistance électrique non?
Aucune ! Sinon ce ne serait pas rigolo ! Evidemment, la vitesse dépend du vélomobile et celui qui y pédale ... dans cette vidéo j'étais bien rouge ^^ mais ça ne se voit pas !
@@passionvelomobile c vraiment impressionnant 😳
You should retitle for « electric assisted velomobile vs upright bikes »
why. is the velo electric?
Is that a circuit course? Is everyone doing multiple laps? You keep passing old ladies, and I can't understand how you have not passed all of the slow riders when fast riders keep coming up behind you.
who said recumbents cant climb! Nice work.
Doc02864 seems like laying like that and decent gearing would make it easier to climb.
Daweed a un gros moteur ... sous le maillot ! Je viens de m'acheter une Gopro HD Hero 2 , mais je ne pourrai pas filmer ça. .
Have you got an electric assist on your velomobile? Looks like you do, because you climb so fast! Nice video by the way:)
Fantastic!
6:00 - It annoys me when people think they can draft a velomobile. 1) They can't 2) It's dangerous 3) If you do brake suddenly then end up breaking your velomobile. I get very annoyed when they do this and either tell them to @#$% off... or just accelerate away and watch them slowly die of exhaustion.
Tous les vélomobiles européens sont disponibles en France chez www.cyclesjv.com
Well done!!!
sad when people are walking their bikes up a hill like that
18% grade
It's 18% and they must have had bad gearing. It's really hard if you don't have a compact BCD.
@@SimonWoodburyForget Or your legs if you are a long time BMXer. There is a few short 18% (about 250meter)where i live and back when i BMX all the time I would sprint up em as fast as possible. Its was alway fun cos that would be the only time i'd overtake roadies on my BMX! (or to clarify, that was on a 42 teeth front chain ring to 16 back, race gearing)
I like the bare look of a bicycle more.
Silly roadies trying to keep up 🤣
Brilliant, I bet you are a good bike rider anyway? Yes??
no ! In the past I just used my tt bike for Fun, never for move ! When I discover the recumbent, my life changed ^^ after : 9000 km with optima stinger recumbent and 23 000 km with my Waw velomobile ;-)
Holy crap....you realy smoked thoes SOB's.
sokem conhéce mesmo velomobil éo bixo anda demais
Daweed, fais-toi engager par une équipe à Battle Mountain !
very good .. :)
nice!
Hahahahaha sound music and AIM Target XD
voila une démonstration que le velomobile est plus rapide ....
Класс)))
Il faudrait comparer vélo vs vélomobile avec 2 cyclistes de même niveau. Sinon, ça ne veut rien dire.
Tout a fait d'accord, et même un seul cycliste sur les deux type de véhicules
LOL!!!
hehehehe
後面的立式車不服啊，拼命追趕，你就不能讓讓他？
A bunch of slow riders on a sportif ride. I pass them on my mtb the same way
Used to do the same on a BMX. To be fair I ran the route twice a day at a sprint so...
jajajaja You totally ruin his pacefuly day!
lol
Vous savez que ce n'est pas bien de comparer des vélos qui n'ont rien à voir. Sur un vélo de route, y'a pas de leviers, de système elliptiques, c'est vraiment tout à la force des jambes. Ça reste deux appareils très différents. C'est comme si tu comparais un vélo route et un Fixie. Et comme tu le dis dans un de tes commentaires, tu n'es pas un grand rouleur à la base. Il faudrait refaire la même vidéo mais cette fois-ci, les mecs que tu doubles seraient également en HPV et tu filmerais de devant crois moi! Sinon, à essayer pour passer la barre des 90kmh sur sol plat!
+Keep Cycling Bonjour, exact, c'est pourquoi je n'ai pas annoncé de vitesses, de puissance ou de mesure pointue car je sais que le vélomobile est de toute façon plus performant. le but n'est évidement pas de comparer une ferrari au pot de yaourt... ici je montre juste qu'un jeune sans grande préparation peu se faire plaisir en dépassant certains vélos droits bien affutés. et c'est seulement grace au vélomobile, cette machine plus fine, qui offre un meilleur rendement au pédalage. J'ai déjà eu affaire à des gros rouleurs en vélomobile, notamment pendant les championnats du monde 2014 et 2015 auxquels j'ai participé. ils étaient bien loin devant moi ! Mais c'est aussi parce qu'ils avaient des vélomobiles encore plus performants !
Autant prendre un vélo normal , beaucoup plus pratique et vous serez moin ridicule qu'avec cette daube.
MrMaGnuMIV Je ne sais pas qui est le plus idicule, celui qui dépasse ou celui qui est dépassé hein ?? ^^
+Davidmassot +1
+MrMaGnuMIV Si on a plus de 10km à faire pour aller au boulot, le vélomobile est la solution.
Bienvenue dans le pic pétrolier.