Is Gundam 00 Season 2 Really That Bad?
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- Опубликовано: 28 сен 2024
- Many people claim Gundam 00 second season is lacking. After watching it for myself I can't quite figure out why.
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I actually loved second season. That scene with Lockon and Anew was heart wrenching.
T.J. Jones That was a beautiful scene but thinking back on it I don’t get why they didn’t just pull a Kira and blow all the suits limbs off, then throw her in storage till after the big battle.
Slufffy G because Ribbons was about to off Lockon. Setsuna had to stop her/him without room for much tact. If the OORaiser hadn’t been damaged that fight might have tilted in Lockon’s favor.
I didn't really care for Anew that much. She was a really bland mole character. And the new lockon wasn't even remotely as interesting as the first one.
The trans-am burst is great scene too... It gave me goosebumb
@@transformersrevenge9 true though,they are trying to imitate Zeta scene like Four and Kamille scene,taking the new Lockon just because he is Lockon brother is pure publicity and nepotism
People dont like season 2 of 00? Thats new to me
I quite liked season 2 haha
same here
Sonicfalcon16 Same. Just as much as season 1 honestly.
I like both seasons, In different ways.
I like both, though I will still prefer season 1 over it
I must say, finale of 0079 was indeed something to behold. It always reminded me of how ancient fables used to describe fighting of heroes - "And first they've fought in Mobile Suits, broke the mobile suits and left them. Then they fought with Firearms, spent all the ammo and left them. Then they fought with the swords, broke them and left them. Then they fought with words, but the words couldn't reach them."
...wha? Sorry dude, but this one got so out of context that IDK how your comment fit in along with what is being talked in the video...
Agreed I really like that fight...
Though Barbatos last stand is by far my favorite ending fight.
@ZonTheDon Topic of the Video: About 00
Topic of this comment: IBO
The original gundam was fun
@@dontuspowerus1093 ...did you not watch the video all the way through? Boo talked about the final fight of 00S2 being awesome, just still topped by 0079's final fight.
About the GN drives: it is important to note that it was a technology that Aeolia developed with celestial beings and that the Gundams had the originals that were manufactured in Jupiter's orbit. The ones that the gnx and other earth mobile suits had were pseudo GN drives and do not have their own solar furnaces. This was already made clear in season 1. So the advantages on machine potential and development alone was still on the side of Celestial Being by season 2. So it's not surprising that that's what happened and the technology was simply developed and escalated. Heck we could even see that development history from the basic gund concept in the 0-GUNDAM in the beginning which was a basic suit with a rifle and shield to the specialized units the Meisters wielded a few years later when Celestial Being made its debut in world. The earth was in essence, reverse engineering a copy, and to make that much MS in such a short time skip, of course they wouldnt have the time for a Jupiter expedition to mass produce.
2 as for the machine potential again. Tieria questioned why lockon would recommend setsuna to join their organization when he lacked experience (we could assume he meant as a pilot since we know that Setsuna was in fact a child soldier) which shows that even in season 1, the machines were not able to show off their full potential as, though well trained, the Meisters were not veteran pilots. By season 2, setsuna was so it is still believable that he could do crazy shit to next gen gnx and Aheads with a busted ass Exia: he was just that much better a pilot who knows the ins and outs of the technology and he has a machine with the full potential of the original GN drive.
But yeah the bump up in technology just goes bonkers.
this is my point, but to go a step further, the big climactic battle at the end of S1 where the gundams were suddenly outmatched was due to a list of things occurring at the same time:
They lost their super-computer link in VEDA
The GN-X came out of nowhere and only existed because of insider betrayal
Ali Al-Sachez was given a Gundam, one of the Thrones. This meant he was pretty much on par with the Gundams.
Throughout S1 the Gundam curb-stomped just about everything, which didn't help in proper battle experience. So while comfortable in their machines, the meisters were not ready for near-equal combat.
What I'm saying is that if 1 or 2 of those things weren't in the mix, CB would have turned it all around in S1.
I’ve also heard that the gundam team tinkered with their GN Drives between seasons, and that the new suits use their GN energy more efficiently. Though this was revealed in side content. It should have honestly been explained in the show they could have done it while introducing the Double 0.
I’m more confused about why celestial being didn’t also build tau drives. You know for use with gundams from season 1.
@@awesomechainsaw Probably either they focus on the quality of the new generation Gundams or they refuse to use GN Tau out of principle since that said drive was a pale imitation and mockery of the true GN Drive
to add to the fact the tau drives are polar opposites in concept to a true gn drive . One of those features is any damage caused to the piots of either suit or exposure could lead to cancer and wounds that dont recover even with all the advanced medical tech in the 00 universe .
My main complaint about S2 is that it got rid of my favorite dynamic of S1, the different factions. Seeing each one deal with problems differently and with various goals made it very interesting, fairly grounded and kept me entertained. But when everyone was magically suddenly on the same team, that dynamic was gone and it just felt like every other Gundam. Not bad, not as interesting as S1 though.
If you think that the three blocs just magically became one, then you’re not paying attention.
That was OG CBs mission all along even the nofarious manipulation that even they couldn't control they achives that mission
Sure the different blocks were interesting to watch and the way they their technology developed so differently from one another, but they didn't really "magically" got together, whole first season was in a way, about the process it took to the world to get together in order to fight a "common threat", Celestial Being.
@@telluhwatboy Katharon would like a word with you
Oh boy, as a 00 fanboy, I love this review! It's pretty much in line with my views on the 2nd season! I have a lot to say, so here goes.
1) One thing I got from Saji's character is that he is like a variant of the typical "pacifist" in the Gundam franchise. Yes, the scenes with him being preachy and him getting hung up on Louise can get pretty redundant. But what I like about him is that later on, he accepts the reality of his situation and focuses on what he can do.
2) Celestial Being’s Gundams are stronger than most of their enemies, but they still had to hustle their way through their missions cause’ the odds were against them.
3) Yes, 00 Raiser is crazy strong, but not even it could solve every problem. The Elevator debris episode is one example.
i think my favorite part about 00 season 2 are the portions where it just refuses to let up on the pace, like how the desperate memento mori raid immediately leads into the team being pursued while on their back foot.
One thing I liked about the first season is it felt very grounded and real with it's aesthetic and setting. It was still in Anno Domini. It touched on a lot of issues that exist in our own world and felt very familiar. It made the series really stand out compared to the far off and unrecognizable distant future. So it was kind of jarring when a lot of that felt like it was dropped in the second season. The show just got way more over the top and wackier. The second season just felt kind of alien to the first. I get this is mostly a matter of taste, but I feel it is important if a show presents itself a certain way there are expectations it would continue that way. Not morph into something radically different all of a sudden.
I'll just say that as someone with a history degree and a greater degree of interest in geopolitics than the average person, I didn't feel like season 1 was particularly familiar. I think the entire obsessive middle east subplot in season 1 was the product of an extremely superficial understanding of middle eastern politics, with no understanding of the history of the middle east. The princess/Azadistan subplot was outright agonizing and alien to me. The only thing I can say is vaguely recognizable is the existence of three power blocs roughly analogous to the EU, the eastern bloc (assuming China was able to subjugate the entire Asian continent), and the US and satellite/clients in the western hemisphere. That's about it. The premise of superpowered Gundams showing up all of a sudden that can wipe out the global military was completely ridiculous on its face, as was the whole Aeolia Schenberg 200 year scheme nonsense, all of which led directly into season 2's ridiculousness. In fact, one point they were making was that the unification of humanity can lead into a conglomeration of abusive state power with the rest of the world having no ability to resist, and there's a lot of commentary on the self defeating or futile nature of Schenberg's plot in season 2. I found that more believable than the entirety of season 1.
Anyone willing to bet that those who harp on the abilities of the 00 Raiser are also ardent defenders of The random overpowered newtype stuff in UC, such as with the Zeta and Nu or even the random and overpowered stuff from G-Reco.
I have seen people, and I kid you not, say that 00 is trash simply cause the 00 Raiser being able to produce a huge ass beam saber or that the Regnant is able to curve it's beam. Meanwhile they say nothing energy barriers coming out of nowhere or using the ghosts of the dead to attack a heavily armored opponent, or pushing a huge meteor moving at terminal velocity out of the atmosphere (against it's direction of motion I might add), or having random space beam tree's and the like, or mechs going JoJo or Dragonball on their opponents.
Or are Jesus Yamato worshiperd
Because those hax only amps up the power of the mobile suit except if you have psychoframe which is full brain ded but the thing is that 00 Raiser's abilities are not hax.
Season 2 clearly shows a world where the Earth Federation is holding its own vs the Gundams. They're being hunted and often just BARELY escape after taking some serious hits.
I liked both seasons but season 2 has a different feel compared to season 1, i didn't like how they did lockon & basically just used his twin as the replacement
the other thing that i like about 00 (aside the real world applications, the messages, the mecha designs, and how the narrative is literally flipped: the main characters being overpowered as opposed to the enemies being overpowered) is how the sequels are very much connected to each other, unlike other stories with 2 seasons with a movie, where the first season being the main story and the 2nd one being just a sequel having the same narrative as the 1st one, and the movie being all the same with the previous anime. Here, it's not the same. In fact, it was split into 3 different categories.
as we all know (if you learned english) a story is split up into 5 different categories: introduction, rising action, climax, falling action, and resolution. here it was split up in a very unique and cool way.
Season 1 is how the story began, and not just on what their motives and characters, but also on why the world is like that on season 2, the introduction. Season 2 is where the conflict actually starts, which basically covers the climax up until half of the falling action. And season 3 is the result of the said conflict, with having one more conflict that has to be solved before entering the resolution and conclude the story.
In other words, the reason why i loved 00 so much is because of how the story is really thought of very well, and unlike others that had sequels that is very repetitive of each other. and to me, although it did have some downsides like some scenes being rushed and the inclusion of innovades (although don't get me wrong, the innovades are the best villains on s2 that the charactesr have to face) and aliens, the story and world-building wins it for me.
yes, although i like that 00 would get another sequel so we could get to see 00 again, and finally see 00 having the recognition it needs, i still think we don't need a sequel for it. The story already conluded after the movie, and even if it would be a different story within the 00 universe, i thought it would just be repetitve again, just like what i mentioned above. But hey i think it would be enjoyable nontheless, if it did air.
Nah to be considered ‘bad’ it needs to be Seed Destiny levels of bad. I actually liked second season and btw i didn’t even know there was a bit of hate for this show until this came into my recommended lol
Pianobat me too
G00 season 2 is imperfect, yes (Mr. Bushido being one of those imperfections), but I don't think those make the season bad in itself.
This is probably the second time a second season did the same thing to the Gundam fandom as each alternate continuity does. Personally, it was... above average.
Honestly in my opinion the 2nd season wasn't as good as the first season but it was pretty solid! I liked it. If you want a bad Gundam series, try AGE!
Gundam age made for kids
Well thats something to look forward to is that next
Hot take, AGE's Second Generation (Asemu's arc) is actually pretty good. Singlehandedly saved the series and kept me watching until the end - yes, even through Kio's arc - just to see how the Asemu/Zeheart rivalry ends, they did them dirty in the anime, though.
At least the Memory of Eden movie gave us a more passable ending to their stories.
I actually like AGE, boring bookends aside.
After all this time of watching gundam, I still love 00 after all this years and me buying my Quanta Full saber MG is something am proud of!.
I just don’t like that they killed Lockon just to replace him with a worst version of him.
Very good video, I agree with Saji not being that interesting in season 2 but I'll go one further and say that Saji exists for the sake of Louise, and in my opinion that's completely fine because, in my view, Saji is just a vessel for the viewer to impersonate themselves on. Both Saji and Louise are average kids with life goals of their own but everything goes out the window because of a war they should have no part in, Saji goes on to follow his life goals and work at the space colonies but Louise becomes something more. Losing her family pushes her to become a MS pilot herself to seek revenge. Saji in both season 1 and season 2 remains a normal dude who just wants the war to stop but doesn't know nor has the power to do so, however, circumstances lead him to come into contact with those that can and again, circumstances lead him to join those people but he ultimately still remains a normal dude, just like the viewer. The reason why for me personally season 2 was so strong is because of how strong season 1 started, giving life to many threads and stories and they all neatly wrap up in season 2, Louise's revenge plot line was especially impressive to me considering how it was planned across 2 seasons and you get to see the toll of her new way of life getting to her all the way up until the final realization that it was all for nothing anyway, even stronger how they used the most satisfying death in the series to hammer home the "revenge isn't good" point. And sure, the point was already made, with other characters but those characters are people of war, they see death all the time. Louise on the other hand isn't, she's just a normal girl in season 1, you would never have guessed she would've turned into what she turned into in season 2 and helps drive home how far a normal human being, with no ill will towards anybody, could completely change because of hatred.
Also yes, innovades are real freaky and weird AF.
Now that you mention that 00 is pretty much inspired from IRL events which were pretty much hot topics at the time it was airing, I now can't help but wonder if the next Gundam series will tackle biowarfare or something...... :P
Louise Halevy seems more like a twisting of the Maneva/Mariemaia archetype. She not only becomes the backer for the A-Laws but is being manipulated by Ribbons who is turning her into an Innovade in the hopes of making her the first conversion or even the first true Innovator.
As for the performance gap... It really comes down to the fact that the Gundams were using true GN Drives versus the fake GN Drives. This meant their technologies progressed differently alongside the different focuses of their factions. Alongside the Gundams having been in development longer than the GN-X related designs. The GN-X III didn't see much improvement in performance over the GN-X. The third iteration was simply a refinement of the technology to be slightly more efficient and a bit cheaper for mass production. In fact the Advance GN-X outperformed the GN-X III but was deemed overly expensive for production. Its technology however was incorporated into later generations where possible. And honestly... The 3.5 gen gundams make sense as a logical progression from the 3rd gen. The 4th gen (Gundam 00 itself) makes sense in context of it being based on a theory inside the black box.
Edit: Innovades are essentially a variation of the Elpeo Ple cyber newtype clones.
Boi can't wait till he watches 00 movie.
Tbh I liked the aliens.
Seeing them turn into mobile suit was pretty awesome not gonna lie.
My one criticism of 00 is the fact that Aeolia Schenbenrg is such an impossible character to the point of breaking my whole immersion.
Like, goddamn, for a series that likes to hammer dowm that god isn't a thing as much as this one, Aeolia might be the second best thing. Dude even has his own Lucifer.
dude when Louise finally finished Nena and the silence of space hits and she questions her new existence…
🙌🏾🙌🏾🙌🏾🙌🏾
Before watching this video, I wasn't even aware there was a disdain for 00's second season, I just thought it was a bit over the top and whacky, which felt earned due to the progression of the technology of the series.
So I noticed something. A lot of the so called flak by people complained about it usually comes from people who like Seed or Turn A, lol. I’m guessing they think it’s a copy/paste of Wing.
-started talking about innovades
Me: But they should be wierd. They are "Artificially made" and Animoo in Aeolia's time is probably... wierd that it became the concept of their hair color.
Gundam Double O> Gundam Seed
Dude Im glad you hit the high points of the anime. Idk why the series hit home for me but even you glossing over some parts brought up all the feelings I got from the show.
wow wow ... wait, why didn't anyone mention the immortal Patrick Colasour? very disappointed ...
Graham Aker is a true WEEB as he becomes Mr. Bushido while piloting a giant robot that has samurai motifs.
Not only that but Char's helmet is inspired by the Samurai Kabuto helmet. So you could say Graham LITERALLY became the LITTERAL mocking of Char in 00. :v
A lot of good points and insight. thank you.
I personally think that innovades inner politics is interesting. some of them are unwilling to accept the reason for they're own existence and want to force the future and some of them understand that they are sort of custodians of humanity that should aid them with understanding and join them and they make them such an interesting idea for gundam. to me they are the real oldtypes, a race divided and arrogant, trying to deny it's own peaceful evolution by keeping to maintaining the old ways. ribbons and his faction are kind of a slight of hands in that way because you think you are watching a facade of newtypes but you are actually watching the real oldtypes in this (and also zeon), thinking they are more advanced and smart but falling to they're own hubris. the show doesn't force it down our throats which is great but it's implied how fledgling humanity are not newtypes but A newtype, one, waiting to grow and unite and once arrogance is put to the side and a miracle of understanding happens, they change, here and now.
I love this show for carrying the core massage but also differentiating itself from the Shakespearean tragedy that the universal century is by telling us that the solutions are here and now and that we can find peace for the living and not just fight forever and if we are lucky find peace in death. setsuna succeeds where amuro's sacrifice and banahger's miracle only left a dent that was scrubbed by the federation and i love 00 for this, for believing enough in change and having the courage to do it. hope must spring eternal.
Also 00 uses Asimov style tricks for its narrative. As Ribbons is similar to the Mule from Asimov's foundation series with Celestial Being's founder the parallel to the Foundation's founder. It puts into perspective how deep 00 gets with its world building.
Hearing about expressive hate of 00 S2. It's not bad but it does have it's moments. GN particles get to be kinda BS with what they can do via the 00 Gundam (even if it IS still one of my favorite designs). Mr. Bushido was total cringe and during my rewatch I noticed it just felt like they kinda... forgot about him half the time. Lyle THANKFULLY, at least for me, turned out a lot better than I think some people worried. He's rather, and surprisingly, quick to avert just being a replacement for his brother and hell if I didn't enjoy his final duel with Saachez. But I do agree the show also got kinda preachy the further it went on. I still like it, but I can see and admit to it's issues.
Now the movie... we'll get there.
I never watch the second season, because it never aired in my country for some reason. I only remembered watching the first season and the movie.
It was still my favorite Gundam series, and it was Gundam 00 that fully introduced me to the Gundam franchise.
I hear the complaints about season 2 ripping off zeta Gundam but I think we have to take into account the state of the world when this came out this came out after things like the Patriot act which granted that happened in the u.s. not Japan but I'm sure the writers were well aware of it so yeah government overreach encroaching on freedom in the name of safety was topical
Season 2 had some pretty noticeable yet few flaws. First is, the grounded setting of the first season feels way more mature and better. Second is, it's another rehash of the Titans except more bland because no personalities like Jerid or Yazan. Third, military reaction and tactics can be idiotic at times.
However, it did fulfill a lot of the ongoing arcs started since the first season. And honestly had one of the best final fights in the entire series.
The Death of Colonel Smirnov at the hands of Andre was one the the heaviest hits I've ever taken. To this day I have to fight back tears, both when he the Colonel dies and when Andre realizes what he did.
I was just ready to see your response to the lock on stuff
Lol when you said you were a story centric guy the auto detection caption replaced guy for god
Here's a problem, Gundam 00 is the only other English-dubbed Gundam series that hasn't been seen on Toonami yet. While it has been seen on SyFy (aka the Sci-fi Channel), which is as far as the Gundam franchise could get towards primetime, & this was when Toonami went into hiatus in 2008 b4 it came back 4 yrs later in 2012. A majority of Gundam shows had been seen on Toonami, which is on Cartoon Network & now part of the same network's Adult Swim. So, it begs me 2 ask, when is Toonami going 2 broadcast Gundam 00?
Have you seen Gundam 0080? The final fight in that is super intense, especially so because of the setup from the series so far. 08th MS Team also has a really good one towards the end too, where I shit you not, one of the mobile suits rips off its arm to use it as weapon. There both pretty good & not long, 0080 is a 6 episode OVA & 08th MS Team being 13 episodes, though 08th MS Team has this love story as a big part of the plot so I could see it being bad for people not into those kinda stories.
Now I was wondering if you could review the Gundam 00 movie, Awakening the Trailblazer someday.
I was wondering if the movie is actually bad or not.
Good review, I liked more S1 than S2 because of the power scaling (00 gundam dominating almost everything). The tactics of S1 are more acording of a possible future of humankind in Anno Domini and taking into account the limitations of the current technology we have. But S2 and the movie also blow my mind for the possibly talks of the future, (aliens we could encounter) the universe is so vast.
In overall, this is my favorite series of gundam.
Sorry for the butcheres English.
Now, you gotta go do the movie. Tell us what you think of that shit, it’s just nuts in every way
There was a lot of shit going on in season 2, but I loved the action, especially the final 3 episodes.
I also completely agree with your point around 10:15. One of the big reasons I loved the series was how it introduced relatable sociopolitical issues we face today.
Ok I just rewatched the second season did anyone else notice the 3 maybe 4 inavates around the world in the last episode?
00 S1: World Building
00 S2: Character Development
I've always really liked Season 2, nearly on par with Season 1. The character drama was great and there was a lot of cathartic moments.
So i assume the 00 movie is next then? Because i am really interested in your opinion on that one, mostly since it pushes the boundarys of gundam (and real robots for that matter of fact) quite a bit...
I hope you review 00 movie next since it is basically the culmination of aeolia's shenanigans.
Imma wait for your opinion on Iron Blooded Orphans cause I'm genuinely interested in ur opinion on it
On the topic of the power scaling, at least in my opinion, it wasn't so much the 00 Raiser becoming all-powerful and more of how the rest of the Gundams couldn't keep up. One of the things I loved about season 1 was the teamplay and tactics they employed because each Gundam was specialized for a particular purpose and needed to coordinate with each other for larger scale operations, even with the technological advantage. In season 2, this dynamic kinda disappears throughout the show.
I'm aware the 00R is equipped with the Twin Drive system which exponentially raises its particle output, but seeing Setsuna just Raiser Sword a Memento Mori away _while engaging_ the Empress mobile armor _while escaping orbit_ launching from the Ptolemy after _just recovering_ from a gunshot wound (don't forget he had a round robin with Saachez and Mr. Bushido while still bleeding before that) when it took the literal combination of the entire rest of the team to destroy one (Arios powering the Ptolemy with Trans-Am, Seravee blasting a hole through the outer armor while covering with the GN Field, and the Cherudim using its bits to guard the Ptolemy while taking aim) kinda downplays and undermines everyone else. Not saying they were useless, but the gap between them and Setsuna just becomes too apparent. He definitely didn't reach Jesus Yamato levels of OP-ness, but it's definitely a jarring disparity from what was first established in season 1.
One of the things I think could've been done to rectify/avoid the power scaling problem altogether was to emphasize more on Sumeragi's battle plans. In season 1, while the Gundams were far superior in performance, they didn't just go blindly into the battlefield and button mash their way to victory (though arguably they could've); Sumeragi and Veda still had to cook up a detailed battle plan with accurate predictions to guide the Meisters to victory. Perhaps if they did more of that in season 2, they could've maintained the threat of the Tau Drives without the Gundams' abilities becoming too ridiculous. Not saying there weren't any as the Allelujah Rescue mission and (1st) Memento Mori takedown were good examples, but later on, the fights just ended up becoming "go here", "shoot down as much as you can", "hold out until ", or a combination of that. Granted, they were operating without Veda in S2, but we've seen Sumeragi going beyond just parroting whatever Veda says as early as S1 (not logging the Thrones' data into Veda, making a back-up system for the Gundams in case their link to Veda gets cut).
I still found it less corny than watching Dynasty Warriors Gundam, e.g. the first two-thirds of season 1 of 00. You can expand on your complaints on the power scaling in season 2 all you want, it doesn't help season 1 look any better by comparison.
The issue most people have is that the 00 Gundam is to the other gundams are to the regular grunts. Show up spam the ‘I win’ button, enemy runs away.
I’m not too bothered, but I watched 00s2 as it aired and that isn’t wrong.
I always felt in season two the gundams where a bit underpowered. On several occasions the gundams where on the back foot during fights until the arrival of the 0 riser. At which point the other gundams became pretty much useless. The show even points this out on several occasions that only the 00 can help win a battle or pull off a specific feat. Alot of times you see the cannons cut off of one of the gundams shoulders. Arios not being able to perform to a specific standard the falling mirrors vs protecting his lover towards the end due to the 00's particles allowing the super soldier to resurface and shoot down hundreds of unalive themselves attackers. Even exia being cut up until the arrival of the new gen gundam which by the end becomes ultimately useless until he starts using the hidden gundam, which he only dose like twice. Not going to try to spell the names cause I absolutely don't want to butcher them.
I loved Season 1, I loved Season 2. Even Graham losing his shit and going full Bushido. What I didn't like was the movie.
What did you think of the silly Innovade names, like Revive Revival and Anew Returner?
In season one of 00 it was all Gundam Wing. Mobile suits being outclassed by them at the first start of the season, after that the file for the GN drives was stolen and given to the rest of armed forces now fighting on equal ground had to change strategies. Shenberg's plan on eliminating war was to unite the neighboring countries into one planet, it worked the feuding countries came together and finished off Celestial Being. A few years later, season 2 acts like Zeta Gundam with the A/Laws taking over much of the earth doing whatever they want with another hidden faction called the Innovators working behind the scenes. The A/Laws was the UC version of the Titans, ruling with a hidden iron fist, blocking all communications in the Middle east with big GN Drives and putting false information to confuse the rest of the world on their atrocities.
For the people who said season 2 went over the top and was similar to Super Robots, apparently you forgot the awesome insanity of G Gundam.
Master Asia's horse had its own gundam😂😂 and that was probably before where domon and master Asia wasn't literally kicking skyscrapers out the ground 🤣🤣🤣 That and how OP 00-raiser in 00 was nothing short of Awesome Fuckery
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I just finished binge-watching Gundam 00 Season 1 and 2 and I absolutely liked it. It felt so right. My only problem is that it didn't feel as intimate as Gundam: The Origin or Gundam: IOB (I took a four year break and I'm finally halfway through season 2. I know all the spoilers it's fine). Other than that, 8/10 for both season of Gundam 00.
Honestly, I thought the first season was bad. The second season had issues, but at least it was entertaining. The biggest issue I fundamentally had with it was that the space battle scenes devolved into laser light shows typical of modern anime combat, but as you said in the video, at least they had actual adversaries this time. The directors and animators took far too much liberty with the digital animation technology, and the resulting animation, although technically impressive, was a visual eyesore with particle density on par with a Trans-AM 00 Raiser GN drive. On top of this, the literal Dragonball Kaioken ("Trans-Am"), along with some of the more esoteric elements, gave it a "Super" vibe. But at least the first 24 episodes didn't literally put me to sleep like in the first season, they finally destroyed that awful Azadistan, and gave some characters some much needed development. Oddly enough I found the egregious use of microwave radar and radio communications far more grating than most other narrative complaints, considering that season one was quite explicit that the GN drives disrupted both and created a total stealth environment in the AO of any suits such equipped. As with Minovsky particles in UC, I don't know if the writers simply forgot or decided to ignore it for narrative convenience. Despite a few brief blurbs about "LOS communications" (lasers?), this was never really addressed. I also frankly found it quite irritating that the conventional Tomino-esque bloodbath at the end of season 1 resulted in - every single character affected regenerating, escaping, or being conveniently replaced by an identical clone. So much for mortality in 00.
What about the trailblazer movie 😅
Sanji was kinda grating definitely, and I wished there were more times somebody slapped him and told him he's being so and to get over it because everyone around him was well aware of everything he was saying, but it never truly took me out of the show. As for the Raiser, I actually wish it was used more personally but respected that it was used in a "shit is getting real" way, as justification of it munching through everything. Especially as Setsuna developed into a true Innovator. I didn't mind the song, while I see your point, I felt that it was very deliberate in that way. And yeah, that final fight was awesome, despite the gundams being stripped doen to the base units.
Just finished S1 and was sick of it. But was intrigued by what is to come
Never heard anyone say 00 was bad; especially Destiny bad. At most I’ve heard the only thing people weren’t fans of in 00 were the antagonists in the Trailblazer movie (yes I’m being cryptic for people who haven’t seen trailblazer and want to avoid spoilers). Even then I loved trailblazer for what it was
Remember, just because it isn’t good, doesn’t mean it’s bad.
I wish watching the different Gundam universes was so hard in America. Or expensive. It’s not easy to watch Gundam. In this day of endless streaming there are only a few Gundam shows on in English. Fewer still that are streamed legally.
To really get more Americans watching they need their stuff in English and streaming in both English and Japanese.
what game are you playing that you get to pilot the astraea?
I actually think I know the issue. I think season two should be marathoned rather then weekly. I think the biggest problem are the people who watched weekly it could be a strain I was exposed to it in a marathon format and I think the fact that you can get the complete story helps.
I loved both seasons it was sad when lockon died but we got his brother legit twins
That plot twist came out of left field.
Does anyone know what game is being played in the background?
Any criticisms are irrelevant.
Ep. 3 easily carries the whole season... the whole series for that matter.
I heard that people disliked the second season, but really? as bad as SEED DESTINY? what the fuck people.
I just thought people disliked Mr. Bushido ... a lot.
One thing in the series that was never explained or even talk about that is somewhat teased about in movie is puzzling to me
How aware is Veda? I mean it uses all the non combat invades as extensions of itself as limbs and sensory organs. I really don't believe that Ribbons and later Tiere uber hacked it.
I mean its basically a SKYNET level entity just sitting in the background of the 00 setting and no one seems to worried about it.
As far as 00 raiser being to op, what would you say about Unicorn or it's 2 siblings, or Turn A and its moonlight butterfly?
I liked second season, sure the series might get to an unexpected or too "magical" route, but it made sense with the first season most of the time if not always for me. My biggest disappointment with both seasons, are their villains, for me they were so forgettable, I only remember Ribbons because of his voice and the way they pronounced his name was funny to me. Not the first time in Gundam, but I don't like these villains that spend the whole series like if they were master minds, pulling the strings on everything, apparently on control of everything, just to have a pretty lame plan that relies too much on "my new super powerful mobile suit is better than yours" thing, that goes terribly wrong (for obvious reasons) for them, and on top, they suddenly become kinda morons for the sake of the plot. Still 00 stays as a favorite in the franchise for me though, and I agree, regardless of it being dumb or not, that final duel was impressive, closed a chapter for Setsuna so it was meaningful and I enjoyed the hell out of it XD
Great video!
I watch gundam 00 solely because I like Setsuna since the day I saw him in the early promotionals, and personally season 2 handled his arc and character development as great as I want it then the movie did it even better. he feels like a mere plot device in a massive setting in season 1, hence I'm probably the minority that prefer S2 and movie than S1
since you didn't mention in the video, you're going to watch awakening of the trailblazer?
Are you going to cover the movie?
you still gotta do waking of a trailblazer. other than that, nice video.
Kinda. They went from this super original and unique gundam show, to basically doing another Zeta remake. Also the battles were quite boring, with one too many asspulls, many established characters felt wasted and overall it felt like a slog, with a few high notes here and there. With the amazing buildup season 1 offered, 2 was a letdown.
Are you forgetting the mass produced kamikaze Trans-aming clone piloted MS swarm? It was laughable! Also you are forgetting how its ending has hooks and plot threads meant for the movie rather then ending out right. That movie is tied to this season and thusly drags it down with it.
So what about the 00 Movie? Will you tell us your thoughts on that?
The movie ending scene trumps the tv ending scene, the opening works so much better than the choir
I liked the second season. It became a super robot show.
Gundam 00 is my favorite gundam followed closely by unicorn
Does anyone know what game is on screen?
I never thought it was bad, and I never knew that it was hated badly
The only thing I hate about the second season is the “evolved humans,” which is a cliche within the gundam franchise I don’t really favor that much. And the weird particle mumbo jumbo that verges magic of sorts.
...I never said season 2 was "bad".
Now watch the movie.
I enjoy Season 2 of 00, but it got to a point where the writing felt too preachy with its own war drivel. Not up there with Destiny mind you, but I found the writing so up into your face that I found it immersion breaking. Like I was being directly spoken down to by the writers. I don’t mind war drivel too much when it’s not so in your face.
Whats the background music?
BOOFIRE191 Looked around and couldnt find it, sad bout that. Good choice for music tho, really works with your scripts format, thanks for the good content and getting me back into gundam.
My biggest problem with 00 Season 2 was something else: the (lack of) motivations of Ribbons.
Season 1 was gray-and-gray morality in fairly smart geopolitics. Season 2 was moustache-twirling villain caricature. That felt verrrrry weak.
Ali was similar to that in season 1 as well, but unlike Ribbons, he wasn't a major mover of events.
Innovades are a not really that hard to accept since they're like UC newtypes but with candy hair and glowing bandai led lights for eyes
Mr Bushido was a hard cringe
@@BOOFIRE191 yeah, he got....weird
It's liked they made him a masked character just to check off that trope.
Season 2 00 as bad? I've never even seen that possible, I think it's awesome with a lot of interesting ideas and plot points.
I saw the title...
Came for a fight....
Read again..carefully
Me: oh...ok..
Overpowered Gundams in season 1 made for an interesting dynamic because of all the unintended consequences. Season 2 could have raised the stakes by keeping a level playing field but instead they pulled crazy new abilities out of their robotic rear ends.
I enjoyed season 2, but there's no question that it was weaker than the first. Season 1 felt tight and focused while raising a bunch of interesting questions. Season 2 took the predictable path and just felt bloated under the weight of all those characters and plot threads. It's unfortunate that some of the more interesting elements got buried under the pile.
In the end, I think the most disappointing aspect was the series culminating in the tired old trope of newtype space magic. It makes me question if there's a rule that requires Gundam writers to rehash themes from UC.
With 00 season one they took Kojima's Orbital Frames vs LEV dynamic. In season 2 its a 3 way tech struggle( EFF, Inovades/A Laws and Celestial Being) but in season 2 Celestial being needed to tactically fight while the Inovades and EFF fight strategically.
Gundam 00 was a good series and season 2 was pretty good. It gave us some great fights especially the finale between Setsuna and Ribbons.
very great debate and please make another video on the movie and code geass