yeah, they're so disconnected and it's hard to watch because they could be having so much fun but instead they're just ashamed and doing/saying what they've been taught
exactly i still can't find my peace with people like this after living all my life being told by people like them that i'm evil and wrong for being the way i am... i really hate that
If a child is at a non-child friendly drag show, that’s on the parents, not the queens/kings. As Lady Gaga once said “Who tf hears the words Lady Gaga and Las Vegas and thinks ‘I’m bringing my kids!’“ like seriously, if you bring your kids to an adult drag show, the queens/kings aren’t going to change the performance to be more child friendly
@hannarivers5872 that isn't their responsibility. they have so much going on with the show, kids coming is on the parents and no one else. and if kids do get in, it's out of their control
@emile-y9x yeah not usually but they can and they should.. would u just let a kid into a strip club? no same thing if ur going to be talking about/doing s3xual things
I’m a Christian and before I was saved I would use my fake ID to go to drag bars bc it was safer to go there and have fun than to go to normal bars. After I got saved I was still an ally. Going to drag shows and having friendships with queens make me feel so happy for many reasons but my favorite is that I genuinely feel celebrated in womanhood. I didn’t have a mom growing up queens taught me everything I know. I’m forever grateful they exist.
They will say the most AGGRESSIVELY hateful and disrespectful things about queer people, but if you come back at them with even 10% of the same energy, they'll immediately start crying and say that we all just need to get along and respect each other's beliefs.
They love to lean into that "Christian Persecution" that is really just people telling them that the world does not and should not revolve around them.
So true about "Do people go to therapy because they went to a Drag show? No". Meanwhile you've got millions of people scarred for life because of organized religion.
So true. I had a horrible time as a kid in church as well. Protestants claim to be so much more progressive compared to catholics but it was a protestant church we had a pastor being physically violent against "misbehaving" children, (He was moved after the second incident he hit a child as a form of punishment.) and a Sexton preying on underage girls. Lovely people these are...
I actually went to church where they had “drag Easter” because it was also transgender day of visibility. They had a really lovely drag queen who read a story to the kids, everyone came in drag, and our pastor talked about his journey of coming out as trans. My cousin got up during the sharing part and talked about how glad they were to feel safe, and I got to play around with masculine gender expression and found I had a lot of fun with it. I wish that church wasn’t two hours away from me because it’s one of the few places I still feel respected after leaving my really nice church when I moved.
As a former Christian who is a therapist. I can tell everyone I have NEVER had clients traumatized by Dragqueens. I DO have a LOT of clients that have endured horrific trauma in churches and religious families!
My niece who is a clinical psychologist who specializes in trauma gets most of her patients from Catholic high schools. Please, tell you patients that they should never accept shame from the shameless.
yup. exactly. same. and what they're doing is like saying that all movies are inappropriate for children. No. don't damn the whole movie industry. Some are appropriate, some clearly aren't. There's such a thing as * genre * . Not all clowns are appropriate for children (like horror ones). Not all circuses are appropriate for children. Not all movies are appropriate for children. Not all concerts are appropriate for children. Not all spectator sports are appropriate for children (especially ones with swearing and violence). Not all religious services are appropriate for children. Not all drag shows are appropriate for children.
As someone with extensive religious trauma, I actually found a lot of comfort in drag queens, and the art of drag in general. The idea that someone was out there who could make a complete farce all while looking stunning, and lip-synching to some of my favourite songs. It was so comforting and got me through tough times, where, conveniently enough my religious trauma over took my life.
This is sooooo real. I argued with some guy I used to be friends with and he doesn’t know the difference or even care. It’s too different. I can’t understand the ignorance and superiority complex
i appreciated that, while trixie maintained a sense of respectfulness, she still called them out with no hesitation when they said something genuinely damaging. cruel people don't deserve to be baby-talked.
yes, this! it could have been very easy for Trixie to just go for full mockery or scathing, but she actually answered to the main point with eloquence and taking them seriously.
Saying no drag is child friendly is like saying no theatre is child friendly. There is a world of difference between musicals like The Lion King and musicals like The Book of Mormon.
They keep on mentioning the big breasts because they hate the female body, they hate themselves. The internalized misogny is so intense, I can't image what their internal thoughts are like.
To play Devil's Advocate here, the Church teaches that women's bodies are shameful and partially caused the downfall of Mankind. It's easy to see why they have a problem with the 'female' form. Such religious beliefs are just a form of PTSD, IMHO. 🖤
But these women also seem a lot more judgemental than I was, so I think they take all that anxiety and project it onto others. Less "am I godly enough" and more "OMG, Becky, look at how ungodly she is"
The worst thing is that so many women pull down other women because of their insecurities, envy, and jealousy. 90% of the insults that I've received all my life about my body and clothes came from other women.
They were probably abused (or their mother's projected their body issues on them) and they do hate their bodies. Or, and this is even more ridiculous and seriously damaging, since they belong to a wacko church, they probably had to do one of those ceremonies where they had to pledge their virginity to their fathers.
9:11 i feel like this is so funny bc someone did a whole video on them and they did actually end up falling out and not liking each other at all due to differing opinions.
@TiffanySonterre you can feel it, I honestly think they also might have a bit of internalized misogyny so they perceive each other as someone to "one up" rather than genuine friends.
I grew up in a very conservative area. Like, the progressive Mormon families were less strict than some of the Baptists kind of area. Lived next to a Baptist preacher that gave my mom the creeps...turned out he had multiple affairs with women he was giving marriage counseling to, and was caught by his daughter who suspected it, and had her husband follow him with a camera.
No really the way most drag queens respect women so much more than cis men do, enough that they’d be the last to ever harass a woman, despite how conservatives keep saying “cross dressers” only dress up to perv on women….
@sharroon7574 no they don't. if you watch those shows like toddlers and tiaras. the gigantic majority, if not All of the people there are conservatives.
@CaptainPlasma1117 If it's a fringe case from a group they don't align with, then it needs to be plastered on all front pages. When it's institutionalised repression from their camp, suddenly it's a diversion tactic and a mischaracterisation of their personal lives.
As a woman, I've never felt insulted by a drag queen OR trans women. I have, however, had Christian cis women repeatedly insult me and try to take my rights away.
Insulted? LOL actually the opposite! I have never ending respect and awe (hope this is how it’s spelled) for drag queens, because I know much work and how hard it is to look like a hot woman… as a woman, imagine they are able to do it as men!! 🫶🙌
When they say "look at this drag queen who became Christian" it's really easy to say, look at the thousands of drag queens who grew up religious and now they aren't 🤷♀️
them saying drag queens shouldn't be near children/shouldn't be allowed at drag shows is really ironic since children are far less safe being in a church than being at a drag show 💀
When I was younger I got lost in Las Vegas and I have never felt safer than with a group of drag queens who helped me find my parents. The drag community is amazing and anyone who says otherwise is wrong and I also have more trauma from people in the church than any other community I have been around.
as someone who lived near vegas and was absolutely horrified of it, i would be so comforted if a group of drag queens helped me find my parents.... and i am a pastors kid
“With oversized breasts”.... Ummm... do they not realise women can naturally have MASSIVE chests 😂 like J cups that end up needing to go on those TV shows so they can get a reduction
14:19 lmao the editor is such a menace with the "how to be a drag queen" video suggestion popping up just as trixie is saying "we don't want people to do drag"
Literally like a Disney villain saying an objectively wrong thing in their speech so it can happen later. "Oh you really think friendship is going to save you" type beat.
@crackkillspuppies no one is insisting it and they do have drag queens that have kid friendly material aside from the more mature ones. It's no different than someone dressing up for party entertainment.
@crackkillspuppies what you consider family friendly and what they/the people who attend those events consider it is subjective. My point is no is being forced to go or be involved. So why are they being told to stop as a whole when, like many other things, it's something some people enjoy and others don't. And that's perfectly fine.
As a small child in the 70’s, I was exposed to drag queens. What happened was SHOCKING. It made me open minded. And it taught me how to do my eyeshadow. These poor little morons.
Wow guess you got off easy then. A kid just got molested by one of these clownz! It was dragqueen story hour. You foolz need to stay away from the children honestly. Even other drag queens said this
@pandorafalemias9819 Europeans literally stole the word for themselves. 😂 So yes, Caucasian is largely means white even though it technically isn’t. Black people aren’t literally black-skinned but you don’t care. 🤷
The fact that these women’s brother was sexually abused as a child and their mother saw it happen and did nothing to stop the abuse let’s you know who the real predators are
I think you sumed it up perfectly. Those views are exactly why I stayed closeted and ashamed of who I was. Course the tide is turning big time and hopefully they will be the minority soon. Drag Queens gave me joy during my darkest times. Thankyou so much. What I have been through is probably nothing compared to what drag Queens have had to go through. From the bottom of my heart, thankyou queen's!
Yep I grew up with very accepting parents but we went to church, well mum did and my brother and I went with her, and I learnt to feel ashamed of myself. Took me a long time to realise I was denying who I was because of internalised shame I learnt far too young.
It is clear that these girls are also closeted or in relationships with men who are closeted. That’s the ONLY reason that I can give them an ounce of grace.
I'm certain they're conservative, but to be fair, I don't know if _they_ like child pageants. Seems like something they'd condemn for teaching vanity or something, and they wouldn't touch the gross costuming those kids are put in.
Never have I felt oversexualized by a drag queen. The most respected I could feel as a woman is in a room with a drag queen. There is no agenda other than to laugh with you and enjoy the moment
I definitely agree not all drag shows are appropriate for children, however it's the parents responsibility to not take their children to those shows. You're not gonna take your child to a strip club then blame the strippers.
Exactly, especially as a drag queen who performs only at family friendly events, I definitely keep it completely kid appropriate. I mean my last number was literally me dressed in all white and glitter performing let it go lmao, I don't see how people think that's grooming when singers and Disney performers do just that all the time
@ireliyuhh I think most parents expect family friendly drag shows to be just like you described, more classy and composed. The issue is with the Queens themselves that don't understand or care what makes a performance "family friendly." They're doing a great disservice to Drag Queens in general, who in my experience have been some of the warmest & funniest people to be around.
@Stephanie Mitchell yeah I think when it comes to those kinds of things its mostly a production issue because it's the job of whoever is producing the show to make sure the queen knows or has an idea of what Child friendly is supposed to be for them. Like I have to run songs and numbers by my producers first before they approve them lol
@PatricenotPatrick uh, these disgusting shows are still drag shows. Drag is about such a wide variety of things that saying that drag is for kids is wrong and saying that it's not for kids is wrong. Some films are for kids, some aren't. Some books are for kids, some aren't. Some drag is for kids, some isn't.
Totally in agreement with you about how weird it is when people, primarily the older generation, refer to “girlfriends” and “boyfriends” of little children. I have two daughters and I cringe every time an older relative comments on them “flirting” when they smile at them. Ew. Do they not hear how they’re sexualizing them? Yet they’re the same ones who think drag queens are corrupting our youth 🙄.
these girls must be SO miserable walking around letting every little thing deeply upset them like just. let people exist and you’ll be happier ashley and ashley
Have you SEEN their husbands? Those poor mfers are trapped in the closet (one is ex conversion therapy) so best BELIEVE they are projecting from their sad little Christian lives.
Trixie, so many of my dear friends in the late 1980s in San Francisco were drag queens who did not survive the AIDS crisis, and I miss them so badly. The hilarious humor, raunchiness, and sense of the absurd that you and Katya bring to my life make me feel their presence again. Thank you so much for that.
The audacity of them to keep saying ppl are "disrespecting gods design for you" when they're covering up their under eye dark circles w/ concealer and wearing bronzer
Trixie: "Drag is valid, and no one is going to therapy because they were exposed to drag." *Katya enters the room* Trixie: "I take back everything I said..."
I should imagine they've been taught that it's shameful. Any kind of outward feminine sexuality is a no-no for the fundamentalists of any religion because men can't be trusted to control themselves so the women are shamed into feeling guilt about having those body parts or long hair in the first place. First rule of any religion - blame the women!
This is something I never got. What kind of mental gymntastics led to kids on Hooters? First of all, who _wants_ to bring their kids there? You go to Hooters when you wanna go to a titty bar but you can't afford it/wanna watch sports too. Neither of these activities are best enjoyed with kids that get bored and run around.
it’s the way drag queens actually helped me embrace my femininity instead of hating it?? like i grew up in an environment where being feminine was “embarrassing” but after finding drag and watching trixie over the years, i’ve came to really love how feminine i am
This is how I feel about trans women. No one made me want to embrace my femininity and made me feel powerful in it until I saw a few trans women truly shine in their truth. I didn't realize how much shame I actually had about being female before then.
I dont know if there is an "Overton window" for gender expression but I completely understand what you mean. By expressing femininity in a way that is joyous, fun, and over the top, it makes our more every day expression of it feel more joyful too.
These people really get me because a dad forcing his daughter into tomboyish activities is considered adorable, and yet a mom encouraging her son to explore feminine interests is literally the plot of some horror films.
@wormymaple99 It's sad because femininity is still looked down on in our society and girls are forced to separate themselves from it as much as possible to be taken seriously.
@wormymaple99 Funnily enough, pink was considered more masculine and blue was considered more feminine for a long time. The switch only happened about 120 years ago. But at the end of the day, they're just colors!
As a guy I've seen the way women truly view/ treat feminine men. They don't want them or just use them for entertainment/ as an extra one of the girls. Fortunately I wasn't raised to be feminine but not being raised to be masculine has caused me so much struggle which I've spent ages having to work on. I wouldn't let my future son go through that.
They also seem to have a problem with anyone who struggles with their gender or sexuality. Why are they so insensitive to that? Why does it make them angry?? They think everyone thinks exactly like them and shares their cishet experience
@mo.ka.9661 Do you genuinely believe that "love thy neighbor" implied to only care about someone if they live next door? If this is a joke, its a stupidly unfunny joke.
I wonder also if the vast amount of rapists in the world was also "gods design" ? 🤔 he certainly doesn't seem to be doing anything to stop them. Same with serial killers, paedophiles, thieves etc
@sarroumarbeu6810 Not gross. Sinful. Voluptuous bodies that draw the eye are inherently sinful to people like them. They assume that if you have a large chest, you're promiscuous. It's a really awful mentality.
It‘s the hypocrisy that gets me. They have a problem how drag is „pushed onto them“ (when it’s not) and them turn around pushing their religious beliefs on other people
I see almost every video unrelated to christianity have atleast 1-3 people comment Christian related things. I havent seen ANYONE comment under a random video "repent to Trixie Mattel"
Trixie could have (and should have) been as mean spirited as these two women but instead she talked about how nice they looked and how much their video quality has improved over the years. There’s only one classy woman here and it’s not Ashley or Ashley
@daemionluccas490 the two sides of the spectrum we needed 😌 Nick dragged tf outta them & even made a mini remix song of the "it's not gonna lick itself" part 😆😆😆 Love both Trixie & Nick. Amazing creators 😌❤🙏🏻
@rbxl010 the fck 😅 But I knew it, I use that friggin emoji one time, and there is always a bored a-hole on the internet to tell others what to say 🙄 I bet you are really popular in rl...
idk if anyone else feels this way but as a cis woman watching drag has really helped me with body image and self esteem because drag queens embrace the female body in any shape without obsessing over size
Yes, this 100%. Trixie particularly has a way of seeing physical beauty in everyone, and this really was a reset for me. Drag/Trixie have taught me how to look at myself and SEE the beauty.
I have always been uncomfortable with my body no matter my age or size. dragcon 2018 Morgan McMichaels told me i had the most beautiful figure and signed my photo complimenting me on my "hour glass figure"😂My figure was very average, But her appreciation was 100% very real, i will never forget that. I pull the memory of that moment and complement anytime i need a confidence boost.
@Writerandnurse1266 don't lie to yourself. there's a relief in seeing men and women see through the goofines of beauty standards and exaggerating them/ it's irony but it's also sincere, it appreciates diversity in the bodies and the faces. drag is literally anything, you don't have to dress as a woman to do drag, drag kings/ drag beasts/ etc. exist
Honestly this stuff is so not new. Like girl defined portrays themselves as "brave" for speaking out about it but basically every Christian does so at a certain point it stops being that upsetting and just becomes funny lol
Oh my gosh every time I start to get heated I start remembering how dumb they sound and just laugh and go please let others see their blatant stupidity And why do these bitches hate themselves so much??? I love trixie ❤
it's true that doing drag does not mean you "want to be a woman", but it's also worth mentioning how transphobic their language is in this regard as well. there are trans drag queens and they're not any more dangerous to children than cis ones. trans drag queens deserve all the respect.
I made a drag reference in front of my mom and I said “you probably wouldn’t get that.. it’s a drag reference” and the look on her face 🤭 it looked like she was trying to process the fact that I watch/like drag, trying to be supportive, holding back judgmental words/looks, and confusion all at the same time
@rc70883 very clear from the number of transphobes who think that all of us trans women wear pounds of makeup daily and that we’re all in wigs. I’m sure some trans women do do that (which is perfectly normal to do? Idk why people act like that’s so bad), but also some of us wear little or don’t wear any makeup (I’m clueless about makeup so I dont wear any). Idk it’s crazy they act like all of us trans people constantly look like we’re heading to the club, when in reality we dress any way cis people do. I’m certian these people have seen a trans person before in like the grocery store or something and not known.
@Alice-gr1kb The book Whipping Girl makes an interesting point about this. The author argues that the reason the media tends to focus on hyper-feminine trans women and the process of putting on makeup and wigs is to reinforce the sexist idea that men and women are fundamentally different. By focusing on these things, they push the idea that you cant be a "real" woman or be seen as a woman unless you are performing femininity to a stereotypical extreme. And in order for trans women to be women, they have to cover up anything masculine (because "real" women aren't masculine).
LITERALLY ! When I was 13 I was still going to church because of my family and I was pretty developed for a child (I had D’s) and I remember this like Sunday school teacher lady took me aside and told me I should wear a baggier hoodie- meaning, I was already in a hoodie and that wasn’t “modest enough” like idk Christian women (not all) but a lot of them have something against bigger, developed women and it irks my soul.
Like show one drag performer that uses their power to get innocent children alone .....oh wait .. all the priests that get a little slap on the hand when literal EVIDENCE resurface 🤡
I was emotionally abused on a daily basis by my evangelical peers going to school in conservative Alabama. I'm not gay or gender non-conforming, I'm just another version of "different". 'Godly' people said horrible things me, harassed me, sometimes sexually, pelted me with french fries in the cafeteria. What was I doing? Nothing. Sitting there eating my lunch.
I have never felt more comfortable then being surrounded by a group of queer kids. I jave never been less comfortable sitting in my churches youth group with girls my age.
It's obvious that drag is just a place holder for what they really wanna say: all queer people. But they know if they just say "gay people are predators" and "gay people are against gods design" more of their audience will correctly perceive it as hate, so they use this as a cover. Their enemy is not drag, what they truly want to destroy is gay rights, Trans rights and liberation.
No. As a Christian, I can say that that is a leap and a stereotype of Christianity. The vast, vast majority of lay (well, and not-lay, these days) Christians, do not think like that. That’s an overgeneralization that’s taught in order to engender hate. Just as, on the other side, we sometimes hear, “all queer/gay/trans people are, or want to groom your kids!” Hysteria and over-blowing the fringe on both sides, is no help.
Having grown up in a very conservative church, I am so tired of the assumptions they make due to breast size. As a child, I was repeatedly shamed because my mother _believed_ I would develop large breasts. Not to mention the way I was treated once I actually developed them.
There are some sects / churches of Christianity that really act like you should hate yourself and be ashamed of yourself for having a rockin bod lol Like what a contradiction to all the other teaching about loving yourself and others 😂🤦🏼♀️
I vaguely recall both Girls Defined reading a bible verse condemning expensive clothes and fancy braided hair... while they both had expensive clothes and fancy braided hair.
A lot of slav girls have big boobs and big butts, so it's extremely weird to me that such features would suddenly be associated with black girls... I bet Latina women often have that kind of figure as well...
My moms a lesbian so I grew up in the community going to pride every year. I can honestly say they didn’t sexualize me. But, I can also say I have 100% been sexualized by Christian figures
They now want us to say: person with a uterus!! I am a women!!! How can that new term be described as anything other than s€×ist?!! It literally means a person who can give birth!! They are saying that is our only defining feature!!! How is that not s€×ist?!! And guess why they want us to say that. So that we can be more inclusive to MEN who identify as women!!! Yeah, nah!!! I am never saying that!!! I am a woman!!! And if you have any pride as a woman, then quit defending these men!!
Ohhh these poor little girls! I honestly feel bad for them! Such a sad world these girls are growing up in! Instead of educating themselves & sitting down with someone who expresses themselves in a different way... let's just throw the Bible & their sad opinions around, they might come to find, that those people are the most realist & big hearted people they will ever meet!
As a woman with a natural J cup chest size, I’m so offended that they’re calling breast plates “oversized”, like hello women do actually have big chests like that too. What a stupid delusional video they made.
No same! I recently just had a breast reduction from a G cup to a C cup (100% best decision I ever made and I’m so thankful that we could pay for it) and like…they were naturally big. I had to go through so much mental torment because of them. Like? Idk. Bad taste in my mouth.
I love how Trixie immediately picked up how these girls hate each other 😂 it's so obvious that they do not like each other. Also I love the transparency Trixie and I absolutely agree with you. I just... It's so weird to me that Christians live in this delusional world where the idea of letting other people exist, do what they want live how they want seems like terrorism to them.
"Letting other people exist" no, they are letting other people exist. They are just criticizing behaviour they think is wrong, the same way you are criticising them. Double standards.
They are letting people exist. What are you even talking about? It's called having a different opinion. If they don't want them to exist, then they would be advocating for their eradication. You can wildly disagree but don't talk such nonsense.
"I think we all know where men put on dresses and f*ck kids." She snapped with this lmao. It's true and you should say it
S N A P P E D
I literally screamed 💀💀
the call is coming from inside the house mam
LET IT BE KNOWN MISS MAMAS
she ate DOWN 😭
Trixie is such a kind person for not mocking people like these, but instead, she feels sad for them.
yeah, they're so disconnected and it's hard to watch because they could be having so much fun but instead they're just ashamed and doing/saying what they've been taught
Its not even being kind, really, just enlightened and evolved.
INNOCUOUS NOT INNOCULOUS, tracy
exactly i still can't find my peace with people like this after living all my life being told by people like them that i'm evil and wrong for being the way i am... i really hate that
She has much more restraint and poise than I do.
If a child is at a non-child friendly drag show, that’s on the parents, not the queens/kings. As Lady Gaga once said “Who tf hears the words Lady Gaga and Las Vegas and thinks ‘I’m bringing my kids!’“ like seriously, if you bring your kids to an adult drag show, the queens/kings aren’t going to change the performance to be more child friendly
they shouldn't change the performance but they shouldn't let the kids in
@hannarivers5872 that isn't their responsibility. they have so much going on with the show, kids coming is on the parents and no one else. and if kids do get in, it's out of their control
@ElizabethGeis then they're weird
@hannarivers5872 it's not usually the performers who enforce door policies
@emile-y9x yeah not usually but they can and they should.. would u just let a kid into a strip club? no same thing if ur going to be talking about/doing s3xual things
I’m a Christian and before I was saved I would use my fake ID to go to drag bars bc it was safer to go there and have fun than to go to normal bars. After I got saved I was still an ally. Going to drag shows and having friendships with queens make me feel so happy for many reasons but my favorite is that I genuinely feel celebrated in womanhood. I didn’t have a mom growing up queens taught me everything I know. I’m forever grateful they exist.
As an atheist, I’m genuinely happy for you. Keep doing you sis 💅
This is so beautiful ❤
What does it means to be saved?
@NKZL-MKRecruited into the religion.
@NKZL-MKI think it’s to convert to Christianity
“Broadway twinks lip syncing to mother knows best from tangled” is my ideal night out tbh
The fact that the editors put a pic of Jinx up at that moment💀
Honestly same..
She read Jan.
I was at that performance by Jinkx, it was honestly transient. The crowd loved it too
Girl is this the Jinkx Monsoon BRAND!
They will say the most AGGRESSIVELY hateful and disrespectful things about queer people, but if you come back at them with even 10% of the same energy, they'll immediately start crying and say that we all just need to get along and respect each other's beliefs.
They love to lean into that "Christian Persecution" that is really just people telling them that the world does not and should not revolve around them.
One of the million of reasons I absolutely hate Christian’s
no hate like Christian love!!
@toebiter69 I don't know if you came up with that, but that's a fierce line
Amen
So true about "Do people go to therapy because they went to a Drag show? No". Meanwhile you've got millions of people scarred for life because of organized religion.
So true. I had a horrible time as a kid in church as well. Protestants claim to be so much more progressive compared to catholics but it was a protestant church we had a pastor being physically violent against "misbehaving" children, (He was moved after the second incident he hit a child as a form of punishment.) and a Sexton preying on underage girls. Lovely people these are...
THIS!!!!
Can speak having been in the Christian church for most of my life growing up....they are the least loving people you will ever meet.
I kind of do go to therapy because of UNHhhh because thanks to it discovered that I wanted to live and needed professional guidance to go about that.
YES. YES. YES.
Just say Christianity! Plenty of other religions let people live.
I actually went to church where they had “drag Easter” because it was also transgender day of visibility. They had a really lovely drag queen who read a story to the kids, everyone came in drag, and our pastor talked about his journey of coming out as trans. My cousin got up during the sharing part and talked about how glad they were to feel safe, and I got to play around with masculine gender expression and found I had a lot of fun with it. I wish that church wasn’t two hours away from me because it’s one of the few places I still feel respected after leaving my really nice church when I moved.
Where was this?!
As a former Christian who is a therapist. I can tell everyone I have NEVER had clients traumatized by Dragqueens. I DO have a LOT of clients that have endured horrific trauma in churches and religious families!
My niece who is a clinical psychologist who specializes in trauma gets most of her patients from Catholic high schools. Please, tell you patients that they should never accept shame from the shameless.
@frankelliott244 'Never accept shame from the shameless' You dropped this but I think I need it? Do you mind if I keep it?
Ya, but did they meet katia in person? lol I jest!
yup. exactly. same. and what they're doing is like saying that all movies are inappropriate for children. No. don't damn the whole movie industry. Some are appropriate, some clearly aren't. There's such a thing as * genre * .
Not all clowns are appropriate for children (like horror ones).
Not all circuses are appropriate for children.
Not all movies are appropriate for children.
Not all concerts are appropriate for children.
Not all spectator sports are appropriate for children (especially ones with swearing and violence).
Not all religious services are appropriate for children.
Not all drag shows are appropriate for children.
As someone with extensive religious trauma, I actually found a lot of comfort in drag queens, and the art of drag in general. The idea that someone was out there who could make a complete farce all while looking stunning, and lip-synching to some of my favourite songs. It was so comforting and got me through tough times, where, conveniently enough my religious trauma over took my life.
Honestly, God's Design is kind of an amazing drag name
or some kind of satirical, demonic-themed makeup line
Welcome to the stage...
Welcome to the stage Gazee Zayn!
@Writerandnurse1266 who tf is u and why u replying to ever single comment!? Get help💀 it gives “I want attention”
@Writerandnurse1266 nigga what just join a debate class 😭 💀 not the gaslighting into wanting to argue, distraught discord emo behavior
I think they have no idea that doing drag and being trans are two different things…
That is very real. My boss said as much in a meeting and we had a round-table discussion between financial reports.
theyre completely uneducated on drag, trans folks and christianity/the bible
Most likely- I wasn’t a Christian and before I started watching drag race I was very confused about this
And that both are perfectly okay, and do not affect them in any way whatsoever.
This is sooooo real. I argued with some guy I used to be friends with and he doesn’t know the difference or even care. It’s too different. I can’t understand the ignorance and superiority complex
The Katya cameo 😭
i appreciated that, while trixie maintained a sense of respectfulness, she still called them out with no hesitation when they said something genuinely damaging. cruel people don't deserve to be baby-talked.
!!!!!
yes, this! it could have been very easy for Trixie to just go for full mockery or scathing, but she actually answered to the main point with eloquence and taking them seriously.
They say the most hurtful stuff with that baby tone ughh
Say it louder for the people in the back with their fingers in their ears
Yes!!! They may be immature but they're full grown women.
"there is FREEDOM when we FOLLOW god's design" what an oxymoron
It's the freedom of not making choices because someone is always making the choices for them. It's not real freedom at all.
@andromedaspark2241 it's literally the opposite of freedom, honey
I RAN here to comment this and you already did it for me
@topsi0130that’s what they said lmao
@topsi0130
Are you actually this dumb?
Those girls were not only talking about drag without having knowledge about what drag actually is, they were also being transphobic af
I mean who would've guessed they hate trans people too 😅
Period.
Ongggg
THANK YOU❤❤❤❤
PERIODD
Saying no drag is child friendly is like saying no theatre is child friendly. There is a world of difference between musicals like The Lion King and musicals like The Book of Mormon.
Tbom musical mentioned yippie
They keep on mentioning the big breasts because they hate the female body, they hate themselves. The internalized misogny is so intense, I can't image what their internal thoughts are like.
To play Devil's Advocate here, the Church teaches that women's bodies are shameful and partially caused the downfall of Mankind. It's easy to see why they have a problem with the 'female' form. Such religious beliefs are just a form of PTSD, IMHO. 🖤
But these women also seem a lot more judgemental than I was, so I think they take all that anxiety and project it onto others.
Less "am I godly enough" and more "OMG, Becky, look at how ungodly she is"
The worst thing is that so many women pull down other women because of their insecurities, envy, and jealousy. 90% of the insults that I've received all my life about my body and clothes came from other women.
And that's on religion sis
They were probably abused (or their mother's projected their body issues on them) and they do hate their bodies. Or, and this is even more ridiculous and seriously damaging, since they belong to a wacko church, they probably had to do one of those ceremonies where they had to pledge their virginity to their fathers.
I got sexually assaulted at church but never once felt unsafe at a drag show
PERIODDD
I went to a drag club for the first time about a month ago and I never felt safer.
I’m sorry that happened to you ❤️
I am so terribly sorry that happened to you. My heart goes out to you 💕💗
@laurenturtleful maybe don’t say period to a comment were they say they got assaulted
As a larger *chested* woman, I never knew I was just “overdeveloped” lol
Me either but ya learn something new every day now don’t ya
We developed more bc they can't develop at all
We’re not. Their brains are just “underdeveloped”
Yeah, and girls like this are exactly why I hated my body for most of my life, because God's Design made my knockers "oversize.
They’re just jealous because their brains are underdeveloped. You’re beautiful!
9:11 i feel like this is so funny bc someone did a whole video on them and they did actually end up falling out and not liking each other at all due to differing opinions.
They absolutely hate each other lmfaoooooo
@TiffanySonterre you can feel it, I honestly think they also might have a bit of internalized misogyny so they perceive each other as someone to "one up" rather than genuine friends.
@louiserules Worse yet, they're sisters from a family that had eight children
I was harassed by several adult men at
church, but never at a drag show. 🤨🤷🏻♀️
I grew up in a very conservative area. Like, the progressive Mormon families were less strict than some of the Baptists kind of area. Lived next to a Baptist preacher that gave my mom the creeps...turned out he had multiple affairs with women he was giving marriage counseling to, and was caught by his daughter who suspected it, and had her husband follow him with a camera.
I'm sorry that happened to you
I hope you're ok :(
No really the way most drag queens respect women so much more than cis men do, enough that they’d be the last to ever harass a woman, despite how conservatives keep saying “cross dressers” only dress up to perv on women….
The irony is those ladies probably have no issue with child beauty pageants
I know a lot of conservative people and they find those pageants disturbing. It's a minority that accepts it.
@sharroon7574 ok?
@sharroon7574 no they don't. if you watch those shows like toddlers and tiaras. the gigantic majority, if not All of the people there are conservatives.
@skyco5395 yes, however they are not representative of all conservatives.
@sharroon7574 ok??
As someone who was raised to be just like these two, there's something really healing about having an outside party acknowledge how fucked up it is.
Same
Oh totally same here
I give you all of the congratulations for making it out alive💐
I agree 100%.
Breath of fresh air
7:13 Gyatt back to God's design indeed
If only people like this cared as much about child poverty, homelessness, and abuse, as they do about children going to a drag show...
Those sisters energy is misdirected
Or about the abuse of Children, the Immigrant Children in Those Damn camps, by the OFFICIALS
Yup, bring up child marriage to these people and they don’t care
@CaptainPlasma1117 If it's a fringe case from a group they don't align with, then it needs to be plastered on all front pages. When it's institutionalised repression from their camp, suddenly it's a diversion tactic and a mischaracterisation of their personal lives.
I'm a hobo child, and I love Trixie. Never met you, doesn't seem like you care but love using hobo children in your shitty stories that aren't real
As a woman, I've never felt insulted by a drag queen OR trans women. I have, however, had Christian cis women repeatedly insult me and try to take my rights away.
As another cis woman
Yes
I just got some great eye-makeup tips from a video by Kim Chi, and I’m also a cis woman. Not offended.
@sewingintrifocals-alisonde7778 iconic
Insulted? LOL actually the opposite!
I have never ending respect and awe (hope this is how it’s spelled) for drag queens, because I know much work and how hard it is to look like a hot woman… as a woman, imagine they are able to do it as men!! 🫶🙌
as another cis women, i also agree.
"Why are they dressing like overly sexualized females??"
The last drag show I went to: *had a drag queen dressed as Buzz Lightyear*
LMAO
Last drag show I went to they were all dressed like monsters, ghouls, and zombies lmao
Sexy buzz light year?
Didn’t Vivacious talk about a show where she dressed up as a radiator on season 5?
@smaugkat I mean she ate but no it was like, the purple head covering and the giant chunky plastic wings 😭
11:12 I SCREAMED THATS SO TRUE 💀 I have a religious trauma and go to Therapy now 💀💀💀 i need to go to a drag show to be healed
When they say "look at this drag queen who became Christian" it's really easy to say, look at the thousands of drag queens who grew up religious and now they aren't 🤷♀️
A single case is enough for them, UNLESS it's all the cases of priests being rapists 😇
Or the queens that are gay affirming Christians. They know that the "clobber clauses " do not apply to them.
Yes but the drag queen who turned Christian is much healthier and happier
@firasjemil213 Lmao, no ma'am
@sassagrass7095 well there are a lot of famous drag Queen that are religious
them saying drag queens shouldn't be near children/shouldn't be allowed at drag shows is really ironic since children are far less safe being in a church than being at a drag show 💀
OUUU U SPILLEDD
not to side with them, but children are at more risk of getting molested at school than at a church
they safer at a drag show then they are at school
💅
@Beadolll LITERALLY w all the padding queens wear they're basically bulletproof
When I was younger I got lost in Las Vegas and I have never felt safer than with a group of drag queens who helped me find my parents. The drag community is amazing and anyone who says otherwise is wrong and I also have more trauma from people in the church than any other community I have been around.
That's a cute story. Tysm for sharing
Aw that’s so sweet
Aww that is cool af and so nice of them to help you. Lol! Somehow i can imagine it happening as if it was a scene from a book or film.
Sounds like the plot to an Amazing movie that I would watch over and over.
as someone who lived near vegas and was absolutely horrified of it, i would be so comforted if a group of drag queens helped me find my parents.... and i am a pastors kid
they learned the words “over-sexualization” and desperately wanted to prove they could use it in a sentence
"I saw someone lip syncing with a puppet and now I'm not Christian anymore" had me CACKLING
The only reason they wouldn't be Christian anymore is because of all the BS that false Christians spew out making people not want to be like that.
That someone was james mansfield
I want this on a tee shirt so bad.
11:41
Omg I happened to read this comment as it happened in the video lol
“Do you guys get the sense that these women hate each other?”
Yes, Trixie. They hate all women
Yes!
THIS!!!
Esp. women of color
For real
especially gorge women like trixie, probably because she is more gorge than they!
"dressing as oversexualized women" trixie is literally dressed like her grandmother 60 years ago
literally, most drag queens and drag is mostly known for the over glamorous gowns and pageants. where's the oversexualization they talk abt so much 😟😟
Almost a Barbara Cartland character.
“With oversized breasts”.... Ummm... do they not realise women can naturally have MASSIVE chests 😂 like J cups that end up needing to go on those TV shows so they can get a reduction
@elenalizabeth there's a lot of fatphobia in churches and shaming of curves.
That and the fact that a huge portion of camp queens literally dress more conservatively than Bethany and christen do💀
14:19 lmao the editor is such a menace with the "how to be a drag queen" video suggestion popping up just as trixie is saying "we don't want people to do drag"
the best part is when she says “we tell kids anyone can be anything” and then has to try to find a way to make that sound like a bad thing
Literally like a Disney villain saying an objectively wrong thing in their speech so it can happen later. "Oh you really think friendship is going to save you" type beat.
Its bad because it's not true. For example, if you're a boy you can never be a girl
@binkin7304 This comment was so on point that I laughed out loud.
You can almost SEE in her eyes the look of panic like, "Well I really stepped in it now, gotta follow through with this..."
@PrettyGuardian I just wonder do these people not hear themselves when they speak? Just spitting pure evil without blinking
It has never occurred to me that drag was something worth worrying about in a negative way. Ever.
Same, like Trixie said. It's just dressing up. I guess the conservatives are ....overreacting or something.
It’s the rights new talking point. A divisive issue to get everyone riled up and distracted from the people up top not doing their jobs
It wasn't until recent years when a bunch of people started insisting on involving kids in drag events.
@crackkillspuppies no one is insisting it and they do have drag queens that have kid friendly material aside from the more mature ones. It's no different than someone dressing up for party entertainment.
@crackkillspuppies what you consider family friendly and what they/the people who attend those events consider it is subjective. My point is no is being forced to go or be involved. So why are they being told to stop as a whole when, like many other things, it's something some people enjoy and others don't. And that's perfectly fine.
As a small child in the 70’s, I was exposed to drag queens. What happened was SHOCKING. It made me open minded. And it taught me how to do my eyeshadow. These poor little morons.
Wow guess you got off easy then. A kid just got molested by one of these clownz! It was dragqueen story hour. You foolz need to stay away from the children honestly. Even other drag queens said this
@Yung Mohel Lmao you think you made a valid point. Is that you? Ashley? Or is it your other awful sister, Ashley?
@Yung Mohel girl be fr
@Yung Mohellearning how to do eyeshadow is abuse? What kind of snowflake are you?
@Yung Mohel Seeing a drag show is not abuse lmao 🤣💀💀 you most likely need to go see a professional yourself.
3:50: The caucasity!
u don’t even know what caucasian means obviously
@pandorafalemias9819 Europeans literally stole the word for themselves. 😂 So yes, Caucasian is largely means white even though it technically isn’t. Black people aren’t literally black-skinned but you don’t care. 🤷
Ashley and Ashley talking about delusion while being delusional, I can't😭😭😭
I am DYING 🤣
ashleigh and ashlee
Assley and Ashslay
Pretty sure it's Ashleigh and Ashley 😂😂
@sortasofi254 💀
The fact that these women’s brother was sexually abused as a child and their mother saw it happen and did nothing to stop the abuse let’s you know who the real predators are
What?!!!!!
Oop 💀
WTF?! Are you serious?
Ashley and Amber got CLOCKED
explain pls 💀
"Do people go to therapy because they went to a drag show? No." MY FAVORITE LINE RELIGIOUS TRAUMA IS SO REAL PLENTY OF THERAPISTS SPECIALIZE IN IT
Trixie finally became so famous that bots are pretending to be her. that's a milestone for some
Well I've seen Trixie's show and needed therapy after LOL
✨💯✨
they both cause trauma.
@vivtzka there's no kid in therapy cuz they saw a drag show literally none and if you want to make that claim provide the evidence I'll wait .
11:51 Jenny sis said what?👀💅
The attitudes of Ashley and Ashley are why I kept my sexuality closeted for three decades. Drag queens make life bearable for us .
Exactly! I live for drag. Sorry you had to go through that 😪
I think you sumed it up perfectly. Those views are exactly why I stayed closeted and ashamed of who I was. Course the tide is turning big time and hopefully they will be the minority soon. Drag Queens gave me joy during my darkest times. Thankyou so much. What I have been through is probably nothing compared to what drag Queens have had to go through. From the bottom of my heart, thankyou queen's!
Yep I grew up with very accepting parents but we went to church, well mum did and my brother and I went with her, and I learnt to feel ashamed of myself. Took me a long time to realise I was denying who I was because of internalised shame I learnt far too young.
It is clear that these girls are also closeted or in relationships with men who are closeted. That’s the ONLY reason that I can give them an ounce of grace.
💛
Child pageants. You wanna talk about gross sexualization of children? Conservatives LOVE child pageants.
oop. facts.
This!
I'm certain they're conservative, but to be fair, I don't know if _they_ like child pageants. Seems like something they'd condemn for teaching vanity or something, and they wouldn't touch the gross costuming those kids are put in.
I wouldn't say that. Most of the conservatives that I have seen talk on the issue are also very against pageants.
thank you. exactly
I've never felt oversexualised by drag queens, nor have I ever felt mocked by drag. These women need therapy.
I’ve felt sexualized by christian men
@Luminocite Oh yeah.
Never have I felt oversexualized by a drag queen. The most respected I could feel as a woman is in a room with a drag queen. There is no agenda other than to laugh with you and enjoy the moment
yeah i felt sexualized by those two women than the drag queen...
I'm a woman and I so adore drag queens like their creativity is out of this world. Their artistry is worth emulating. These girls need to get a life.
It DOES surprise me that you're not my mom 😮 6:22
I definitely agree not all drag shows are appropriate for children, however it's the parents responsibility to not take their children to those shows. You're not gonna take your child to a strip club then blame the strippers.
Exactly, especially as a drag queen who performs only at family friendly events, I definitely keep it completely kid appropriate. I mean my last number was literally me dressed in all white and glitter performing let it go lmao, I don't see how people think that's grooming when singers and Disney performers do just that all the time
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@ireliyuhh I think most parents expect family friendly drag shows to be just like you described, more classy and composed. The issue is with the Queens themselves that don't understand or care what makes a performance "family friendly." They're doing a great disservice to Drag Queens in general, who in my experience have been some of the warmest & funniest people to be around.
@Stephanie Mitchell yeah I think when it comes to those kinds of things its mostly a production issue because it's the job of whoever is producing the show to make sure the queen knows or has an idea of what Child friendly is supposed to be for them. Like I have to run songs and numbers by my producers first before they approve them lol
@PatricenotPatrick uh, these disgusting shows are still drag shows. Drag is about such a wide variety of things that saying that drag is for kids is wrong and saying that it's not for kids is wrong. Some films are for kids, some aren't. Some books are for kids, some aren't. Some drag is for kids, some isn't.
“drag queen nightclub party” sounds like how shein would advertise a drag show
😂😂😂
Me freshly 18 trying to find the move:
LMAO
the “it’s not gonna lick itself” is a tagline for a popular ice cream chain in tx…
The girls will take anything and everything out of context just to suit their narrative
LMFAO that’s great
Screaming!
Yea the drag show they are talking about was at a Cauldron Ice Cream. It wasn’t at a gay bar or nightclub it was at an ice cream shop.
You'd think they would know that, but I don't think fundie christian girls are allowed to leave the house.
Totally in agreement with you about how weird it is when people, primarily the older generation, refer to “girlfriends” and “boyfriends” of little children. I have two daughters and I cringe every time an older relative comments on them “flirting” when they smile at them. Ew. Do they not hear how they’re sexualizing them? Yet they’re the same ones who think drag queens are corrupting our youth 🙄.
these girls must be SO miserable walking around letting every little thing deeply upset them like just. let people exist and you’ll be happier ashley and ashley
I wonder if Ashleigh or Mckinleigh have a job aside from saying words with no substance
@keelyhockley7958 I doubt they're allowed.
Have you SEEN their husbands? Those poor mfers are trapped in the closet (one is ex conversion therapy) so best BELIEVE they are projecting from their sad little Christian lives.
Krysstinne and Behthuhny will never learn to let go, I don't think
lmao ashley and ashley
Petition to change “transitioning” to “slowly quitting this gender” 😂 Love. It.
😂
Quiet quitting. LOL
lmao i put in my resignation for my gender
LMAO
Gender retirement 😈
Trixie, so many of my dear friends in the late 1980s in San Francisco were drag queens who did not survive the AIDS crisis, and I miss them so badly. The hilarious humor, raunchiness, and sense of the absurd that you and Katya bring to my life make me feel their presence again. Thank you so much for that.
Sending you ❤️
Sending you love and I'm glad that you get to feel their presence again
So wholesome I love this content
I’m so sorry for you loss, that vive for life from friends you meet cannot be replaced. I’m sure you meant a lot to them
The audacity of them to keep saying ppl are "disrespecting gods design for you" when they're covering up their under eye dark circles w/ concealer and wearing bronzer
Trixie: "Drag is valid, and no one is going to therapy because they were exposed to drag."
*Katya enters the room*
Trixie: "I take back everything I said..."
🤣
For real, she really said hate that skank
Katya is just in therapy because they're Katya and that's why we love them
This was classic ❤
@Hashingiti’m also in therapy because katya is katya
Trixie and Katya NEED to do a drag parody of these two
Bathed in his blood
When Ashley hits her head with the board it should just explode into a geyser of fake blood and confetti.
@lnfreeman I think this is plenty of time spent on them no need to acknowledge them further
@haggisbasher-greatscot Baethd in hes blüüd
@haggisbasher-greatscot while I do love the idea of a novympia style parody of these ahem.....ladies, this is a valid point
“Breasts that are way too large” and how does she feel about women that actually have these “overdeveloped” bodies naturally?
I should imagine they've been taught that it's shameful. Any kind of outward feminine sexuality is a no-no for the fundamentalists of any religion because men can't be trusted to control themselves so the women are shamed into feeling guilt about having those body parts or long hair in the first place. First rule of any religion - blame the women!
Probably thinks they're living in ain. 😂😂😂
You mean the hispanic and black women? Yeah, the white christian fundamentalists never were big fans 🤷
uhh they're obviously leading men to sin lmao
I really wonder if they're just jealous. Lol
You can see they don't like each other
ban kids from hooters, then!!!! ban child pageants, then!! do these people not understand that it’s not the performers decision, but the parents??
Say it!!!
This is something I never got. What kind of mental gymntastics led to kids on Hooters? First of all, who _wants_ to bring their kids there? You go to Hooters when you wanna go to a titty bar but you can't afford it/wanna watch sports too. Neither of these activities are best enjoyed with kids that get bored and run around.
it’s the way drag queens actually helped me embrace my femininity instead of hating it?? like i grew up in an environment where being feminine was “embarrassing” but after finding drag and watching trixie over the years, i’ve came to really love how feminine i am
This is how I feel about trans women. No one made me want to embrace my femininity and made me feel powerful in it until I saw a few trans women truly shine in their truth. I didn't realize how much shame I actually had about being female before then.
I dont know if there is an "Overton window" for gender expression but I completely understand what you mean. By expressing femininity in a way that is joyous, fun, and over the top, it makes our more every day expression of it feel more joyful too.
Big same
@PrettyGuardian oh, gender is definitely on a spectrum! 😊💯!
that's so beautiful!!!
These people really get me because a dad forcing his daughter into tomboyish activities is considered adorable, and yet a mom encouraging her son to explore feminine interests is literally the plot of some horror films.
@wormymaple99 yeah true. My bf isn't (mostly) a feminene person but loves pink and cute kittens 🤷.
@wormymaple99 It's sad because femininity is still looked down on in our society and girls are forced to separate themselves from it as much as possible to be taken seriously.
@wormymaple99 Funnily enough, pink was considered more masculine and blue was considered more feminine for a long time. The switch only happened about 120 years ago. But at the end of the day, they're just colors!
As a guy I've seen the way women truly view/ treat feminine men. They don't want them or just use them for entertainment/ as an extra one of the girls. Fortunately I wasn't raised to be feminine but not being raised to be masculine has caused me so much struggle which I've spent ages having to work on. I wouldn't let my future son go through that.
Wait I never thought about it like that thats so true
Drag is absolutely NOT a mockery, it is a *love letter* to women.
Imagine preaching “love thy neighbor,” but then actively hating/judging on any neighbor who has a different lifestyle.
THIS ^^^
They also seem to have a problem with anyone who struggles with their gender or sexuality. Why are they so insensitive to that? Why does it make them angry?? They think everyone thinks exactly like them and shares their cishet experience
Pretty sure they don't live next to a drag queen
Welcome to Christian cherry picking!
@mo.ka.9661 Do you genuinely believe that "love thy neighbor" implied to only care about someone if they live next door? If this is a joke, its a stupidly unfunny joke.
I love how protecting ‘god’s design’ doesn’t stop them getting those shopping mall highlights.
I wonder also if the vast amount of rapists in the world was also "gods design" ? 🤔 he certainly doesn't seem to be doing anything to stop them. Same with serial killers, paedophiles, thieves etc
Have your well deserved like sir 👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻
@Laura.D3101
I thank ye. 🥰
SCREAMING 😭
HAHAHHAHAHAHA, I'M GAGGED LMFAOOO.
The fact they think people are taking babies to nightclubs ☠☠ i simply cant!!!
Gurl there’s literally footage of straight parents doing that
@Cha_Cha_Chai And let's not forget Hooters
Are you being stupid on purpose? There's videos all around the internet of parents doing that.
I read that as barbies for a second and was confused why that is a bad thing... I can't leave my girl barbie behind for a party!
@Cha_Cha_Chai and why is that gay people's problem??? lol
“We all have a designer” donatella VERSACE 💜
🔥
“Do people go to therapy because they went to a drag show?” As a person with church trauma this line is underrated.
Tell me about it
same
They should go to therapy, and many of them do
For some people drag is therapy.
@becp488 no it isn't. They might act like it's therapy, but it's actively hurting them
“overdeveloped women” love how they attack drag queens while also attacking large breasted people 🙄
Doing a double take on this is just ....are they calling fat ppl or anyone with big boobs gross ???? Tffff ??!??
@sarroumarbeu6810 Not gross. Sinful. Voluptuous bodies that draw the eye are inherently sinful to people like them. They assume that if you have a large chest, you're promiscuous. It's a really awful mentality.
It‘s the hypocrisy that gets me. They have a problem how drag is „pushed onto them“ (when it’s not) and them turn around pushing their religious beliefs on other people
I see almost every video unrelated to christianity have atleast 1-3 people comment Christian related things. I havent seen ANYONE comment under a random video "repent to Trixie Mattel"
jehovas witnesses. atleast twice a month. however not once have i encountered a queen show up at my door and tell me to do drag (totally would though)
@myaren0101 im so sorry but the sentence “repent to Trixie Mattel” SENT ME 😭😭🙏🙏 thank you im gonna start quoting that now
update! i reference this at least once a day
"There is freedom when you closely adhere to these very specific gender norms and do not challenge them in any way" lol
Trixie could have (and should have) been as mean spirited as these two women but instead she talked about how nice they looked and how much their video quality has improved over the years. There’s only one classy woman here and it’s not Ashley or Ashley
morr like Ashley and Ashleigh 😭
We've just decided that they're both called Ashley, and I love it 😆
@camel6848 Aheshileiygeh
meanwhile......nick diramio is saying..."if you can't think of anything nice to say about them,,,,,come sit by me" lol
@daemionluccas490 the two sides of the spectrum we needed 😌 Nick dragged tf outta them & even made a mini remix song of the "it's not gonna lick itself" part 😆😆😆 Love both Trixie & Nick. Amazing creators 😌❤🙏🏻
If they’re afraid of their children being preyed upon, they need to be worried about their churches
ooooooooh!!! 🫖🍵
Facts
@rbxl010 the fck 😅 But I knew it, I use that friggin emoji one time, and there is always a bored a-hole on the internet to tell others what to say 🙄 I bet you are really popular in rl...
PERIOD
@callmeobsequious ghost and pals pfp
“We all know where men put on dresses and f*** kids” preach girl 🎉
I literally gasped 💀💀💀
Thisss my jaw dropped at the serveee
One of my favorite things about drag: femininity is a compliment, not an insult.
idk if anyone else feels this way but as a cis woman watching drag has really helped me with body image and self esteem because drag queens embrace the female body in any shape without obsessing over size
Yes, this 100%. Trixie particularly has a way of seeing physical beauty in everyone, and this really was a reset for me. Drag/Trixie have taught me how to look at myself and SEE the beauty.
Drag has made me ashamed to be a woman
I have always been uncomfortable with my body no matter my age or size. dragcon 2018 Morgan McMichaels told me i had the most beautiful figure and signed my photo complimenting me on my "hour glass figure"😂My figure was very average, But her appreciation was 100% very real, i will never forget that. I pull the memory of that moment and complement anytime i need a confidence boost.
@Writerandnurse1266 aw, that’s tough
@Writerandnurse1266 don't lie to yourself. there's a relief in seeing men and women see through the goofines of beauty standards and exaggerating them/ it's irony but it's also sincere, it appreciates diversity in the bodies and the faces. drag is literally anything, you don't have to dress as a woman to do drag, drag kings/ drag beasts/ etc. exist
Trixie, if I were in your position, I'd be so triggered and annoyed. You're so emotionally mature and calm, I hope to be like you one day.
I couldn't even watch the whole video because i wanted to throw something at those two girls
Honestly this stuff is so not new. Like girl defined portrays themselves as "brave" for speaking out about it but basically every Christian does so at a certain point it stops being that upsetting and just becomes funny lol
So true. She’s a class act
Oh my gosh every time I start to get heated I start remembering how dumb they sound and just laugh and go please let others see their blatant stupidity
And why do these bitches hate themselves so much???
I love trixie ❤
@BooksMaxxxing queer people are used to this
it's true that doing drag does not mean you "want to be a woman", but it's also worth mentioning how transphobic their language is in this regard as well. there are trans drag queens and they're not any more dangerous to children than cis ones. trans drag queens deserve all the respect.
Their language is solidly different phobic.
Also like a lot of bigots they don't seem to understand the difference between being trans and doing drag at all.
I made a drag reference in front of my mom and I said “you probably wouldn’t get that.. it’s a drag reference” and the look on her face 🤭 it looked like she was trying to process the fact that I watch/like drag, trying to be supportive, holding back judgmental words/looks, and confusion all at the same time
@rc70883 very clear from the number of transphobes who think that all of us trans women wear pounds of makeup daily and that we’re all in wigs. I’m sure some trans women do do that (which is perfectly normal to do? Idk why people act like that’s so bad), but also some of us wear little or don’t wear any makeup (I’m clueless about makeup so I dont wear any). Idk it’s crazy they act like all of us trans people constantly look like we’re heading to the club, when in reality we dress any way cis people do. I’m certian these people have seen a trans person before in like the grocery store or something and not known.
@Alice-gr1kb The book Whipping Girl makes an interesting point about this. The author argues that the reason the media tends to focus on hyper-feminine trans women and the process of putting on makeup and wigs is to reinforce the sexist idea that men and women are fundamentally different. By focusing on these things, they push the idea that you cant be a "real" woman or be seen as a woman unless you are performing femininity to a stereotypical extreme. And in order for trans women to be women, they have to cover up anything masculine (because "real" women aren't masculine).
“Overly developed” development has a limit?
“Oversized breasts” like breasts have a size?
LITERALLY ! When I was 13 I was still going to church because of my family and I was pretty developed for a child (I had D’s) and I remember this like Sunday school teacher lady took me aside and told me I should wear a baggier hoodie- meaning, I was already in a hoodie and that wasn’t “modest enough” like idk Christian women (not all) but a lot of them have something against bigger, developed women and it irks my soul.
The AUDACITY to say “they’re preying on children” like plzzz the church does that way MORE TF😭
LITERALLY
Like show one drag performer that uses their power to get innocent children alone .....oh wait .. all the priests that get a little slap on the hand when literal EVIDENCE resurface 🤡
Of all the professions that would attract child ab*sers, I’m pretty sure “drag queen” doesn’t even make the list 🤦🏽♀️
FACTS FACTS FACTSSSSS
And their former President also preyed on children with his best friend Jeffrey Epstein
Some of the worst bullying i’ve ever experienced in life, came from youth groups at church.
I was emotionally abused on a daily basis by my evangelical peers going to school in conservative Alabama. I'm not gay or gender non-conforming, I'm just another version of "different". 'Godly' people said horrible things me, harassed me, sometimes sexually, pelted me with french fries in the cafeteria. What was I doing? Nothing. Sitting there eating my lunch.
Same
@moonlily1 I'm sorry you had to go through that :(
I have never felt more comfortable then being surrounded by a group of queer kids. I jave never been less comfortable sitting in my churches youth group with girls my age.
Yikes... Mine was a Catholic school. 😅
It's obvious that drag is just a place holder for what they really wanna say: all queer people. But they know if they just say "gay people are predators" and "gay people are against gods design" more of their audience will correctly perceive it as hate, so they use this as a cover. Their enemy is not drag, what they truly want to destroy is gay rights, Trans rights and liberation.
No. As a Christian, I can say that that is a leap and a stereotype of Christianity. The vast, vast majority of lay (well, and not-lay, these days) Christians, do not think like that. That’s an overgeneralization that’s taught in order to engender hate. Just as, on the other side, we sometimes hear, “all queer/gay/trans people are, or want to groom your kids!” Hysteria and over-blowing the fringe on both sides, is no help.
I was thinking exactly the same thing...
Not true. Many gay people don't want to be associated with drags anymore. See gaysagainstgroomers
@karaa7595 Congratulations you're promoting a hate group
It's so true 😭
5:20 IMLAUGHING SOHARD THAT ISSOFUNNY
*clutches pearls*
Having grown up in a very conservative church, I am so tired of the assumptions they make due to breast size. As a child, I was repeatedly shamed because my mother _believed_ I would develop large breasts. Not to mention the way I was treated once I actually developed them.
The way conservative Christians sexualise kids is extremely creepy.
Glad someone is commenting on this. It is a very strange thing being shammed on something you cannot even control.
it's like they should've accepted glob's design or something
There are some sects / churches of Christianity that really act like you should hate yourself and be ashamed of yourself for having a rockin bod lol
Like what a contradiction to all the other teaching about loving yourself and others 😂🤦🏼♀️
Wait what sis--- 😭
"Skimpy clothes" "lets get back to gods design" Honey, being naked was God's design 😂
AMEN
When they get back to their original hair color I would at least not call them hypocrites.
Lmao exactly
Yeah, let's not forget that it was Adam and Eve who first decided that being naked was shameful.
@Voirreydirector YOU ATE THEM UP OMG 💀
Love how they talk about “God’s design” not being flawed while sitting their with their artificially colored hair. 😂
And smacking herself in the face. Something is wrong with that design surely lol
I vaguely recall both Girls Defined reading a bible verse condemning expensive clothes and fancy braided hair... while they both had expensive clothes and fancy braided hair.
And a face full of makeup!🙄😆
Wearing contacts and make up and nail polish.
OOOOOOO Clocked!!
"Over sized breasts,"
Me...AFAB..with a family of women who have big breasts..: Someone's jealousssss
“What is their issue with big boobs and big butts?” Girl it’s racism. Straight up.
A lot of slav girls have big boobs and big butts, so it's extremely weird to me that such features would suddenly be associated with black girls... I bet Latina women often have that kind of figure as well...
THIS.
Facts lol
not necessarily racism…every race can have those things.
@bluebnistersit’s pretty obviously targeted towards a a certain group of people if you look into it more
My moms a lesbian so I grew up in the community going to pride every year. I can honestly say they didn’t sexualize me. But, I can also say I have 100% been sexualized by Christian figures
They now want us to say: person with a uterus!!
I am a women!!!
How can that new term be described as anything other than s€×ist?!!
It literally means a person who can give birth!!
They are saying that is our only defining feature!!!
How is that not s€×ist?!!
And guess why they want us to say that.
So that we can be more inclusive to MEN who identify as women!!!
Yeah, nah!!!
I am never saying that!!!
I am a woman!!!
And if you have any pride as a woman, then quit defending these men!!
Those aren't Christians than, they are liera
A little louder for those in the back mama 👏👏
I’m so sorry you went through that. I did too. It sucks. I’m glad you’re speaking on that.
YUP. It’s so backwards
It must suck to be afraid of everything and everyone.
This is why it's miserable to be around my family. They have the same mindset
Must be very sad having a vision of the world so constricted
How does talking about something you don't like, having an opinion, equate to bring afraid of everything?
@Passion_Neal I mean, if you're "opinion" is basically hating others just because they have a different lifestyle...
I think that sums it up perfectly. Well said.
10:16 That was a READ 😂😂😂. BTW i love this dress ❤
Update: they never talk to the ex drag queen. I listened to the whole podcast. They just quoted a story
That's some hot tea 🍵🍵🍵
You listened to the whole thing?
Thank you for doing it so we don’t have to, but… are you okay?
Ohhh these poor little girls! I honestly feel bad for them! Such a sad world these girls are growing up in! Instead of educating themselves & sitting down with someone who expresses themselves in a different way... let's just throw the Bible & their sad opinions around, they might come to find, that those people are the most realist & big hearted people they will ever meet!
I’m actually screaming at this info. Thank you for doing the Lord’s work ❤😂
As a woman with a natural J cup chest size, I’m so offended that they’re calling breast plates “oversized”, like hello women do actually have big chests like that too. What a stupid delusional video they made.
J cup ??? omg your back must hurt a lot. I have d cups and it's already so hard
hi sorry hi sorry hi sorry
Girl I am so sorry for you
No same! I recently just had a breast reduction from a G cup to a C cup (100% best decision I ever made and I’m so thankful that we could pay for it) and like…they were naturally big. I had to go through so much mental torment because of them. Like? Idk. Bad taste in my mouth.
Same. DD here.
“I think we know where men in dresses are f*****g children….. and it’s not a drag show” YESS TRIXIE TELL EM
The truth will out, so they say.
And the fact that most misogonistic homophobic mens are the ones doing it is also so "ironic".
The church priest.
trixie mentioning MY backyard in the first 2 minutes??? i’m already into it
I just get hateful vibes from them. I get warm, loving, accepting vibes from you. That says everything, in my opinion.
I do too! They give fake mean girls vibes
period
i mean regardless the attitude theyre mindset is just toxic and dumb and well not a fan personaly
they look like they were the middle school bullies who constantly played the victim when they got caught
Truth. 💕💕💕💖
They're talking about drag queens like this, but have they ever seen a *child pageant?*
Now _that's_ disgusting.
fr i cant believe that they're legal in some countries its so gross
@luh.4968 in some countries? i don't know of anywhere where they are illegal
@LnRit02 i live in germany and child pageants are not only illegal here but also socially not accepted
Wait what even is that?
I love how Trixie immediately picked up how these girls hate each other 😂 it's so obvious that they do not like each other. Also I love the transparency Trixie and I absolutely agree with you. I just... It's so weird to me that Christians live in this delusional world where the idea of letting other people exist, do what they want live how they want seems like terrorism to them.
Nail on the head. It literally is like terrorism to them. I escaped the church 10 yearsa ago and I've never met a less loving group of people.
It’s sad that once you walk into a Church you instantly feel the need to “ prove “ yourself.
@pingu3984 define "love"
"Letting other people exist" no, they are letting other people exist. They are just criticizing behaviour they think is wrong, the same way you are criticising them.
Double standards.
They are letting people exist. What are you even talking about? It's called having a different opinion. If they don't want them to exist, then they would be advocating for their eradication. You can wildly disagree but don't talk such nonsense.
I feel like they really do hate each other! They give off the vibe that one of them is sleeping with the other one's husband.😂