WHICH SKID STEER DID WE PICK? Gehl, CAT or Bobcat? Kapper Outdoors
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- THE BIG REVEAL! After weeks (and arguably years) of consideration, testing, comparing specs, implements, and the 'big picture' we have made a decision on which Skid steer (aka Compact track loader) we are going to be purchasing for our Illinois and Kentucky farms! Oh and we might need to pick up some side work to help pay for it, but there is simply no doubt that a skid steer/compact track loader will be an asset in our future! Join me as I walk through the comparisons, testing and specs between the GEHL RT215, THE BOBCAT T650, T76 AND THE CAT D259 D3 AND CAT D289D3. If you enjoy our content please hit the Like button, subscribe to follow and join us and share our content to help us grow our family as we share lots of fun on our owning land and country living adventures. Land management, Branson tractor projects, Bobcat Excavator projects, skid steer projects, our Kentucky farmhouse rehab projects, food plots, duck ponds, watering holes, wildlife improvement projects, wildlife conservation projects, habitat improvement projects, wildlife photography, DIY rustic home decor, DIY landscaping, and much more country living adventure. Kapper Outdoors, living the dream, one acre at a time.
HERE IS THE VIDEO LINK OF THE GEHL RT215 TEST: • 2019 GEHL RT215 SKID S...
HERE IS THE PLAYLIST OF THE CAT 259D3 TESTING:
• CAT 259 D3 Skid Steer ...
All I can comment on is that it is mighty nice to have a friend, buddy and pal with a nice new skidsteer that does FAVORS!! lol
Lol for sure buddy! That's what friends are for!
Glad you found the one you wanted, and I look forward to seeing it in action!
Thanks, man. Me too. While I'm really enjoying no snow in the winter. I enjoy watching you plow with your Kubota.
You definitely made the right choice I have a t770 cab machine best machine in my opinion and I've ran all of them
Rodger that. Thanks and good luck. I'm pretty excited to get rolling.
I am glad the BobCat fit your budget and needs, my daughter and son-in-law will be happy to hear this
Thanks, I think it will be a great fit
I was sure about the CAT but the access to service and implement rental definitely sealed the deal for a Bobcat, congrats. ;-)
LOL, yes. Remember what I told you about betting? But yes, it was a tough decision, but I had to look at the overall chess board.
Great pick Mr kapper. Keep bobcat in the family. Thanks for sharing it
Thank you. I appreciate it, but it was a tough call.
Wish all the best on your purchase and service is always going too be the main governing factor in any purchase plus you are known to the dealer.
Thank you. We appreciate it. , Cheers
Congrats on the new skid steer. The amount of side work you can pick up or heck even start your own will be more then enough to pay for it. Cant wait too see it.
Thanks man, appreciate it. It will definitely be a game-changer as far as getting big projects around the Farms done.
good JOB>>> buy from local distributor and help them cause they help you!!.. btw, that thing will be a life saver!
Thank you, and I agree it will be a total game-changer. The move dirt way faster is going to make a huge difference. Lots of dirt projects will be getting done.
Mrs Kapper I would like to see you test drive a diamond ring in the same format as Kapper has done with the skid steer😂😂😂 Sorry Kap😜
He must be thankful there is an adult with a good paying job!!
Haha, don't go away mad. Just go away! LOL. Don't be giving her any new ideas. :-)
@@kapperoutdoors------- Who is kidding who...…..Mrs K has veto power over everything.
Think your getting the best bang for the buck buddy and getting what you need and wanted. Sure you will be happy. Bob cat makes a good product 👍
Yes sir I agree. After all they did create the first actual skid steer. They have a great and solid machine. Thanks
I run a Bob cat 870 with every option but wipers and backup camera I like it so far!
I love mine so far I believe you'll be satisfied for sure. Also after watching you get your E42 that convinced me to go ahead and get the E50 a couple years ago. I'm a former PBA member 15 years 👍. We probably have a lot in common.
Good info, and congrats on your machines! I appreciate it, Take care. Thanks.
Good choice Joe. let's see....orange....white.....orange......white.......ummmm. Location of service center will be the determining factor.
I tried, but the support issue was a key.....that's my dilemma also.
Yep. The overall chessboard has to be taken into consideration. . Thanks.
Congrats, Kap. Can't wait to see it in action. Glad you got the air-cushioned seat. That should knock down some of the jarring around on your back and hips. Plus I think that seat will give you a bit more height for leg length. I bet Mrs K will like that skid steer too. Have a fine upcoming week.
Thanks, buddy. Yes that air ride seat was one of the must-haves, LOL. Take care Semper Fi.
Good choice! Looking forward to seeing it work both farms!
Hoorah! Me too thanks
Woohoo!!! Great pick! Great dealer, and with Mrs. K joining the driving team, that'll make for some fun footage and increase the production on the farms. Congratulations!
Thanks, buddy. Yes, that would be great. If I can get her on board and proficient we could really do some damage then making some new ponds and so forth. :-)
I just spent a week with a rental T450. After that that, I’m now considering my own but prob a T650 instead. Felt like the T450 was just a touch light. Though this is all personal use
The T650 is literally the best machine they've ever made (got that intel from several bobcat insiders). You can't go wrong with a T650. Good luck!
Joe you will really like it . I'm a landscaper by trade 35 years . I run them everyday . I've ran them all. Cat , Kubota, John Deere, Gehl, New Holland , Bobcat . Just upgraded this year from a T 190 to the T 550 absolutly, love it, so will you. Congrats on your purchase, love your channel. Keep up the great work, Mrs Kapper will be easy to teach to use the machine 😆
Thanks for the great feedback, man. I appreciate it and best wishes. I can't wait to get her Going.
Sweet pice of equipment! I like the shirt!! Thanks for buying one!!
Thanks buddy, good luck!
Joe, congrats on your new toy I know you will have fun with it and make plenty of videos for us to enjoy Congrats again from KY
Thank you. I appreciate it. And I'm sure it's going to spend some time at the Kentucky farm also.
My inlaws live in Creal springs. Definitely looking at moving back Late next year and will definitely have to look into a bobcat
This is a beautiful area down here! And good guys over at Bobcat!
After sale service is very important. Location of dealer at 30 minutes away, I would have selected that one too.
Thanks, good call.
It sounds you made a good choice.
Thanks Lynne
The 259D3 we use come with all the add-ons you put on the Bobcat. Both are great but we went with Cat. The track suspension and load control is great on it.
You got a good machine no doubt. They are both very capable at what they do! Good luck and take care.
Well done.
I also own a t650 and a e42 both great machines.
Bam! We got us double whammy!
I bought a new Bobcat for one job only. Build the job and sold it for my asking price. They're very good machines.
They are good machines thanks
Well no new work shop for Mrs Kapper......How about some upgrades for the Mrs there Joe!!! Imagine what she could make with the toy upgrades like you get....
Well......since he'll be playing out in the dirt day and night,I think I'll takeover his big shop 😉
Glad you figured out what one you wanted, lol, most of what you said was Greek to me but I'm happy for you. Stay safe, be careful, take it easy, enjoy and keep warm.
LOL, well as long as you watched the video :-) thank you.
@@kapperoutdoors yep, I watched...☺
Sounds like you are doing a lot better financially. I can remember you having conversations about money before and now you have a new tractor, an excavator and skid steer..
Not much difference, just that rates came way down, refinanced the land and house mortgages saved a lot and invested it elsewhere.
Joe the Bobcat is going to be a great fit and when you get oil and filters for the skid loader and mini excavator it will be one trip one stop shop
Thanks, man. Yes. It was a tough decision. But for the big picture, I think we're going to do very well.
Kapper Outdoors Joe and the possibility for you to run 2 pieces of equipment at the same time is a pretty cool thing
Great choice Joe!👍
Thank you!
i have a t190 i bought in 2011, my dealer is 20 minutes away. been a great machine so far.
They all ARE good machines
I seen Tim Charlton helping you at the lot. Great customer service! That’s where we buy all our equipment in Marion.
Yes that shop and business are run well and great to work with!
Congratulations Kapper! Happy for you!
Thank you. I appreciate that.
Just got a S76 R series 2020. Absolutely the best thing ever. Blows away our 740s and that's saying something. Bob Cat teaming with Doosan or whatever way you want to see it is not a bad thing. I want bang for the buck and Bob Cat is the one for my money.
yep they are great machines! Very tough for sure! Good luck, thanks
Congratulations!! Looking forward to see it in action.
Thank you!
Looking forward to see it in action.
Me too! thanks.
Congratulations Kapper❤️. You definitely did your homework! To be honest up until a few years ago I called a skid steer a Bobcat. ! My neighbor bought one they said would never run again under 1k and fixed it for less than 3k. It’s terrific Mrs. Kapper is going to learn to use the machines. She be awesome at running those machines. That has to be a huge load off your shoulders for when you face surgeries. If your like me, I don’t want anyone around when resting in hospital after surgeries. Plus having service close with the dealer that sold you the mini excavator is awesome.
Joe the one very important feature you have not talked about, that was always a must have for you, was not mentioned. 😂😂😂😂. Do you recall that feature. Mrs. Kapper teased you about it. If you need a hint mention in reply.
LOL, yes, the Bobcat has a nice cup holder. !
Bobcat is hands down the best people for skid steers out there, they are the ones who created the skid steer! I’ll tell you right now it will treat you good my man! Have a great week!
I agree! We have a mini ex also! Thanks.
@@kapperoutdoors that’s great to hear stay with the BOBCAT BRAND they will treat you good!
I pretty much did the same thing you did but I went with Kubota svl75. Been a great machine.
Yeah, most of these Machines will serve us well regardless of which one people choose. Good luck with it. Thanks.
Good choice Joe we are on approximately 2000 hours of Bobcat time with no significant major breakdowns gk uk 🇬🇧
Thanks, buddy. Appreciate that. , cheers
What were you looking at for a price difference from the t650 to the t76?
I don't have the stuff in front of me, but I think it was at least 10K.
You should be happy you did not pick Gehl. I got an RT250 with all the bells and whistles. The thing is amazing for digging and pushing but what i bought it for was the high flow of the machine. They advertise some very high numbers for flow but they fail to mention it is an open flow system and if your high flow demands all the HP, you have nothing left to drive the machine or move the boom. I brought this up with a rep at husker harvest days and he just flat out told me i bought the wrong machine. He did nothing to try and help.
I am planning to trade for the new style bobcats. Also, Gehl has a programmable creep gear; at least it did on the RT250.
Good choice kapper congrats! Looking forward to your future projects👍
Thank you, me too!
Good choice I’ve been running bobcat for 20 plus yrs. I can honestly say they have definitely treated me real good. Take care of it and it will take care of you . One thing I can never understand is why do all other manufacturers put those lil baby buckets on there machine s . It looks so ridiculous and if you’re moving materials all day there’s a lot more trips from pile to placement .
Right on man, the year I bought this Bobcat actually rebuilt the big material bucket and man, that thing is HUGE! An overflowing scoop if clay and man, you can really feel the weight and volume! I am actually selling my dump truck because I can move quite a bit of dirt pretty quick with that big material bucket. Thanks.
It’s not always about specs. There’s videos of John Deere skid steers blowing every other brand out of the water. I’ve run Bobcat, ASV, CAT, Case, John Deere, Takeuchi, and Kubota machines. Of all those brands, in my opinion, John Deere is the best.
You're right. It is not always about specs, but they do play a part at least in my decision-making. Thanks.
You must be talking about all those John Deere "skid steer olympics" videos they held and put out a few years ago lol. That was hilarious. So they set all that up and made it look like it wasn't biased towards them but then they specifically set up each task to suit whatever the Deere was better at over the competition. I hope you realize that each manufacturer could easily do the same thing and make Deere look horrible as well. All these manufacturers have advantages and disadvantages. My biggest issue with Deere is the weight of their machines is insane. For the same specs their machines are easily 2500 to 3000 lbs heavier. But they also have other issues I didn't like. Their biggest advantage is they can lift more. That's about it really but that is because they are extremely heavy.
@@suburbanhobbyist2752 Deere's tracks are trash also. At least my brother-in-law's didn't even make 1000 hrs. Our Cat's made 1600+
Although we didn't really get a POV vid of the Bobcat, I'm just glad you didn't opt for the Cat - it was just Toooo LOUD
Well, it's hard to say exactly but both the cat and the Bobcat have sealed cabs.
I would’ve suggested trying out a case, they just came out with a new B series and we got the TV370B which is really handy with our jobs
Well at least here Bobcat has the best dealer network by far, makes a big difference. Good luck with the new machine! Cheers
This is going to be good to see this one in operation; especially the 'bush hogging',..that always a great video subject .
It does come down to if you don't know the equipment,...you'd better know the dealer and or if you don't know the dealer then you'd better know the equipment.
Your homework's done, now the results are in,...we'll see soon how this performs.
Cheers Kapper!
Thanks, man. It should be a fun ride once again!
@@kapperoutdoors Hey Kapper, I have to ask again,...why is it that we can't see how many likes or dislikes up there in the ratings?
Which skid steer would you use just to go around clearing lots with the bush hog? Primarily
Any of these machine would work, but I prefer the Bobcat, it is a beast.
Interesting because I just went through this same decision. I also ended up looking at the Bobcat T595 or T650 and the Cat 259D. I ended up with the Cat 259D. Did you end up doing a demo on these units? That didn't put me over the edge but it certainly helped. It just felt like Cat was a step or two above in terms of the cab environment, comfort and just sophistication I guess. But in the end what really made my decision for me was resale value. The Cats hold their value better than the Bobcats. Also, I was concerned about the fact that Bobcat is about to release an entire new line up of skid steers and didn't want to have to compete with that when I go to sell mine in 3 to 5 years. Oh, and once you put the counterweight on that 259D it lifts quite a bit and they have excellent breakout force. I really don't think you can go wrong with either manufacturer.
Yes they are both solid machines no doubt. I think that the Bobcat cab is laid out much better and makes more sense. Not sure on resale value, you could be right, but overall it was the best package deal for us. Good luck with the new CAT!
Congrats brother, you will love the T650!! Great choice in my biased opinion lol
lol well everyone has some kind of bias! Thanks
We looked at a cat 259 and we had the same problems with it it was slower but then they gave us a cat 279 to try by far the best machine I’ve ever owned and I owned a bobcat t650 terex pt75 and now the 279 I will never go back to bobcat
I love the Geil old school hydraulics.
We had a t650 cat289 Deere 325 and went and looked at all the others. It came down to bobcat and cat and the deciding factor was running hydraulics the bobcat slowed down opening and closing a grapple as the 289d didn’t.
That's because Bobcat cheaped out with their hydraulic system. Cat is the only one still using a proper pump and system in general. I can't remember off the top of my head what it's called but all the manufacturers stepped away from that system because it became cost prohibitive except Cat. Not everyone needs the hydraulics to perform at a high level but if you do then Cat is by far the better choice. I think that is why you see Cat skid steers being used on construction sites where the tools demand more power and the Bobcats are used mostly by landscapers.
SuburbanHobbyist I had no idea about that, I guess I’m just happy we tested them all before we bought and got a cat and for what we do it’s definitely nice having really strong hydraulics
Nice plan , watching
good purchase Kapper, looking forward to seeing you work that new toy
IMHO, the t650 was the best Bobcat ever made!
It was a great machine!!
We have had gehls on our farm forever and their very tough machines. It looks like on the new bobcat that the rear is very flimsy and if you backed into something it'd do damage where as the gehl looks alot tougher with thicker steel and a big bumper.
Can't speak for the Gehl's but the bobcats are hefty machines. That rear door is heavy steel, I have bumped it a few times on trees. The lights are also recessed for that reason. Thanks, and as long as you have a decent dealer they'd all be good.
Ok, iv been in the dirt business all my life I'm 56,first of all it baffles me to see anyone in dirt with a smooth mouth bucket, then when you see someone counter rotate that is just wrong,that is to use only if you are in trouble,I will never have another bobcat any thing,iv had three all were lemons,and our bobcat dealer is worthless in my and others opinion.i chose a cat this time and am very happy I really enjoy running it it has it all as of 2020 ,and my cat dealer is super good when it comes to an issue.i have ALL cat equipment now and always will,and on that brush cutter , hire yourself a good dozer you will be happier a couple years down the road😁
Lots of people use smooth buckets for dirt work. You can skim all day long except for maybe super dry and hard clay. Too bad you had bad experiences, but dealers are all different, some not so good I suppose. Thanks, I'm sure the CAT will treat you well, good machine no doubt.
I figured you would pick the bobcat because you already have a bobcat mini so you was slightly biased lol
Well, I was kind of biased, but for good reason! Had a great run with the e42 for a few years, and great service. Can't knock me for that! Thanks man.
I'm glad you got what you wanted. But I'm going to tell something that time will teach you. You got all the bells and whistles on your machine and you will find that all of them will cost you money. After about two years they will stop working and IF they can be fix it will cost more to fix them than they are worth. Stay away from anything electric. If the machine was to be sitting outside all the time the in the weather the electric parts will stop working. Just look at the new JD tractors. They stay in the shop and you can't work on them. Because they won't let you have the tools to fix them. In digging you need a ridged arm machine. In the construction world you have a lift and carry machine. But you are not in the construction business. The longer you run your machine the better you will get. I will tell you one thing you need to know. When grading keep your bucket somewhat full. Never try grading with a empty bucket. Good luck to you.
Not sure I agree, but that's why I got the 5 yr warranty. Fully covered... everything. Thanks
Glad to see you did your homework buddy! I think you'll will be happy with the Bobcat i love mine.Great videos keep it up bro!
HOORAH!!! Lets kick some A-$$!!!
Congrats ! From ky, can't wait to see more videos
Thanks. I appreciate it and hope to put it to work on the Kentucky farm as well.
Definitely t650!!! Most Heavy duty Machine !! And reliable
Agreed! It has been a beast so far! Thanks.
Have you ever had to do any service and repair work on a bobcat CTL? The CAT is very easy to work on
No, I don't do my own service on it, I take it in for all scheduled service. I'm sure it is pretty easy as most manufacturer's these days are making the regular service and filters pretty simple. But for me it is just easier to have them do it. Thanks.
Bobcat makes a great skid steer. Great review.
Thanks. I appreciate it.
Good choice! Congrats
Great series of videos I enjoyed them.You definitely did your homework. Looking forward to seeing upcoming videos.
Thanks Ron I appreciate it. I keep your challenge coin visible as a reminder each day to keep things real! Thanks man.
Congrats
I would take a gehl over anything out there.
Did you ever consider a case tr340b? Heck of a machine
Well Joe, I think you made a wise choice. It certainly will help around the properties. You still thinking hard about selling Megatron 2.0? You also considering that harley rake or do the plans lean towards renting it when you need to clean up the roads?
Thanks Gary. Yes, I'm getting a power rake with the Bobcat, there are so many uses for it.
Good luck with the new unit.i have been looking for a trac loader my self .
Well, let me know where you live, this Dealer has shops in multiple states and they will treat you right! If you are interested I'll get the info on the closest one to you. Thanks.
Bobcat t595 lifts more than cat 259d . Good choice on t650
Roger that, I agree. Thanks
Good for you guys Joe 👍
Thanks buddy appreciate it
So why is Gehl getting rid of the electric over hydraulic system?
Woohoo! Merry Christmas Kapper! So which Tonka toy does Mrs Kapper get?
She can ride any of them that she wants! Lol. Matter of fact we can get a lot more work done in a shorter time. :-)
Hope your new machine works out for you good choice 👍👍
Forgot Kubota , but ...Ive had both bobcat and Cat...service for bobcat is close , thats a good thing ...I have used these machines for a living for thirty years , Cat all the way for quality
Didn't have a Kubota dealer close with a good reputation so that was kind of off the list. They all have their strengths and short falls I'd say but all will get the jobs done. Thanks man, take care
Curious… why just these three track loaders and not other brands? Is that all u had locally? My father in law has a kubota svl 95-2 and it’s a beast. Bit pricey tho.
Yes, very good call. Kubota has a bad rap down here for poor service, and we are very remote so there is not a lot of choices. But I've been very happy with Bobcat, they have a good dealer and service network. Thanks.
Good service way out paces low price. When your down, getting back up and running is way more advantageous than low cost. I would pay more for a good servicing dealer than less cost from a poor service dealer. That's just me and I have all the dealers here so distance is not a problem. If Mrs K can run the zero turn, then the skid steer will be a piece of cake for her.
Well in this case I got both! Great service and a good price package! Yeah I think she would enjoy playing in the dirt!! lol
why do you prefer the vertical lift vs the radial lift traksteers? i do similar work with on my place but currently with no machinge. thanks
If I recall right I think they had better specs, maybe lifted higher, but its been awhile so I can't be sure. Thanks.
Did you compare with Kubota lvl 65 vs cat 259d3?
Yes compared them all, and for various reasons I chose the bobcat.
You gave it away wearing the Dooson
You made best choice;)
I like the kubotas sliding door
yeah my buddy has 2 of them and hes looking into getting a 3rd one because there the most strongest loaders in the market and cheaper
Ya I like them good machines
@@nickklubek1768 yeah and kubota parts are accully alot cheaper then other machines on the market wich why were planning getting rid of all our deere and newholland equipment and getting all kubotas wich pretty cheap 171hp M7-171 with loader,bucket,forks,blade and snowblower for $129,000 at my kubota dealer wich the deere wanted $289,999 for there 120hp with just a loader and bucket and newholland T5.115 a 115hp with loader and bucket was $139,900 wich was rediculas
@@michaelmactavish1728 They are definitely NOT cheaper. They are about the same cost as the rest. I just looked at the SV-65 and 75 two days ago. They are also not the strongest on the market. However, they are good machines. I really don't think you could wrong with any of the major manufacturers these days. I like Kubota skid steers but they are too heavy for their lifting capacity. Skid steers should be as light as possible while also being as strong as possible. Otherwise why buy a skid steer? There are plenty of other types of equipment you can buy if you don't mind hauling around 10,000 lb machines and up. The biggest issue I had with the Kubotas are the operator comfort. Those things are set up all wrong and it feels weird and uncomfortable. I think it has a lot to do with how they have the door coming up and into the cab.
@@suburbanhobbyist2752 my dealer usually sell them cheaper and less cost for customers plus he gives discounts on them too
Have you compared the ASV-75 or 120 to any others. I'm thinking about buying one and looking for feed back. I am trying to compare cost and efficiency on different pieces of equipment to start a business. Any info will help. Thanks
No I did not, we are pretty rural and there was limited dealer support for ASV around here. Best of luck though! The bobcat(s) have been strong performers for us!
@@kapperoutdoors thanks, everything I'm getting from my research is that the ASV is an awesome piece of equipment. Of course everyone has there own opinions on what they like but for me not have used many different types of equipment and pretty much relying on reviews and specifications, the ASV is coming out on top so far. Thanks for responding.
I bet you picked the one nobody else would, cos you got it cheap !
Not so. They are all great machines
Man you should have atleast checked out john deere. I've got the 325G and it has absolutely every option you could possibly get on any skid steer and 10x easier to work on.
Yeah I don't recall what my reasoning was for not looking into Deere. Maybe their specs were just far too low, but I don't remember for sure.
Which one did I get? Well, I'm wearing a Bobcat hat so wadda think?
Nice Choice!!
Thanks! looking forward to it!
You didn't tell us the cost you were quoted for these machines? You mentioned you were going to do that in the beginning of the video but then you forgot maybe?
No, I said that I was not going to quote exact costs and such. There are a lot of variables with different options and so forth, but we got the absolute best package deal on the Bobcat. Thanks.
Dang it joe how in the heck am I going to be able to get a bobcat to keep up with the joneses
Well, you don't have to try to keep up just stick with us and tag along for the ride! LOL. It should be fun.
Find it odd why people are going away from TLBs. On tight jobsites/urban areas they make sense. But on ranches/small farms not so much. Can buy good TLBs for not much more money than just a compact track loader sells for, but can do a lot more work.
I think you meant that SKID STEERS make sense on "tight jobsites/urban areas" but not so much on "ranches/small farms". The way you wrote it seems like you said that TLBs make sense on tight job sites. I agree with you. If I had a big ranch I would be looking hard at a TLB over a skid steer. I really think skid steers are so popular because they have a cool factor that people are drawn to. I also think people believe they are more capable than they really are. Having said all that, I just bought a skid steer! Lmao. But, it is specifically going to be used in residential home sites removing patios, pools, other flatwork, grading yards in tight situations etc. So it is perfect for my application.
ha ha, there's the pot calling the kettle black! LOL. They are great all around machines. :)
The T76 is a replacement for the T740, not the t650.
Just going by what the rep said and by the specs it seemed to make sense.