lets just respect these students for actually being as respectful as possible and actually listening when asking a question and thinking about his points rather then discrediting them and ignoring them. these are good open minded people in my opinion. may we never lose this.
absolutely zanni, it's good that they are having a rational discussion on a serious subject, I tend to side with the students on this matter. I've never heard atheists going around saying that "life came from non life", as an atheist it's something which science hasn't yet figured out, but we're constantly being told thats what we believe. No it isn't. We don't know how life originated.
@@JamesRichardWiley I'm guessing that Cliffe truly believes the things he does James, in his mind it seems rational. Thankfully kids these days are 'blessed' with the worlds knowledge on a tiny device and can make their own minds up without being told what to believe.
@@bonnie43uk worlds of knowledge? Google one thing and you’ll have 52,000 answers, all differing from each-other, even in “facts”, creating more controversy than before. Too much knowledge keeps the mind open. An open mind needs to be closed on something solid.
God has answered so many questions through your videos Pastor Cliffe. Thank you for your actions! They are beautiful and inspirational! I pray for you!
He's a good enough teacher BUT There's no way he should be quoting that suicide stuff, there is such a thing as the power of suggestion, down and outs coming across this could be detrimental
@@mrmallard4600 I don't know about the editing, I do know that Ray Comfort is well known for doing that though. Anyway, he's not a teacher, he indoctrinates, there is a difference. His whole IC claim has been debunked long time ago, but here is a more recent take down of that fallacious argument. ruclips.net/video/MVQGQz-0Xeo/видео.html
@@johnkennedy7327 I’ll be very upfront if there is no god suicide would be a choice to make. I could not handle the true meaningless of it all. It’s also obvious he’s not arguing for it but he’s pointing out how illogical it will get
you can just tell that this man has a way of reaching people. that kid was definitely listening and thinking about his words. that’s all you can ask for really.
We are all sure that Cliffe isn’t hanging out to read or hear a whole lot of complimentary things about himself, But nevertheless it’s pleasing to us to be able to express how his speaking on campus can help us. I got a boost from it today. He’s a talented speaker that’s very good at talking about God, our favourite subject.
I feel the same. No one should have blind faith, but look at the evedence and use common sense. He made a heap of very valid points. Great respect for this brave guy. Never backs down and never looses his cool.... WOW
@@leonstoltz6088 This is an interesting subject Leon. I can say this. I didn’t really realise or appreciate the faith I had until challenged by atheists to produce evidence for God’s existence. I think initially I thought I believed in God primarily because of creation. However I am now inclined to believe that my belief in God is mainly because of faith, although God’s creation around about me is either equally important or it at least comes a close second. And I think this is hard for an atheist to understand, because this faith which is a gift from God, given to those whom God knows will follow Him, is such that it’s all persuasive in persuading us of God’s existence. Therefore whilst some might call my faith blind faith, to me it isn’t like that at all. It’s an incredible knowing that’s beyond comprehension.
@@leonstoltz6088 Not sure if never backing down is always a good trait Leon, as an atheist I would certainly back down from my stance that God probably does not exist if encountered really credible evidence. Changing your opinion based on credible evidence is a good trait I would suggest. I'm with you 100% on the 'not losing your cool' aspect.. that's an excellent trait to have.😊
I wish I could go back to early adulthood with the faith that I have now. I’m so inspired by these young adults asking the most pertinent questions about our existence. I’m also inspired by how prepared he is with just the right answers. I wish I could do that. I would love to stand in a circle and be bombarded with questions from respectful intellectuals about why I believe. If I knew everyone was open to this kind of dialogue, I’d be roaming the streets day and night, talking Jesus 24/7. Thank you, Lord for my faith that you have given me, which I don’t deserve, which spares me from a fate that I totally deserve. 😭
Never seen someone so calmly and peacefully dismantle peoples thoughts and beliefs…and it’s so logical and easy for everyone to understand. Straight forward and to point, doesn’t stray too far from the main point. This guy is a master assassin in the kingdom of heaven! Keep up the work brother Cliffe! God bless the path you walk! Praise be to the most high!
Deuteronomy 31:8 “And the Lord, He is the the one who goes before you, He will be with you, He will not leave you nor forsake you; do not fear nor dismayed. “
@Guitar Rens The Christian God is good but not good enough to leave any empirical evidence to examine so we know it exists or care enough to stop the suffering of it's creation ? But it loves you right ? Lmao Christians 😂
The first kid is completely right in his reading of Paul's words to Timothy on the functions of men and women in the church. Clearly, Paul applies the words that women should not teach with authority over men to all churches and all Christians. Furthermore, as the kid stated in the video, his reasoning is Adam and Eve and their story. This is a universal reason. Paul didn't mention anything about Ephesus and their pagan gods, so we must not make that assumption. The right answer to his question should be, yes, men and women have different functions in different settings. But they are on the same value. A proof of this is that the Son and the Father in the Trinity have different functions and the Father is said to be functionally "above" the Son, yet they are exactly of the same value and nature, to say otherwise would be Heresy. To answer Mr. Cliffe's counter argument about Priscilla teaching Apollos. Any teaching done by Priscilla to another man was not done with authority. She was not preaching as an apostle or pastor or from a pastor's pulpit. There is nothing wrong with women teaching men. It is wrong when it is done with spiritual authority.
I agree. In a normal man/woman relationship, the man is the head of the family. Same in the church, thus I don't agree with women being pastors. People are nervous in stating this relationship that God created. Eve was deceived...but sin entered the world by Adam.
@@spacecoastz4026 yes, especially in apologetics. They're rightfully concerned about making their arguments appealing to Their audience. So they will dance around those topics.
Me: a female studying to be an evangelist Kat kerr: a female revelationist My grandmother: an assistant pastor Any Christian woman connected to God knows her place. I believe there are women who have those roles in life, and if God leads them to it, then he does.
@@clementine7655 God will never contradict his word, and private feelings and revelation should never contradict his Word. As one who used to believe in egalitarianism in the pulpit (coming up in the Assemblies of God church), I now find no basis for this scripturally, and find that scripture contradicts this. I say this humbly, but firmly based on the Word of God. I say this as a married man, whose wife now believes in complemtarianism based on scripture. GotQuestions has a great video on this. ruclips.net/video/z-PUtuzYzJg/видео.html
@@JamesRichardWiley Gods creating is right in front of you but you chose to not see it out of ignorant pride. But yes all of God is beyond comprehension for sure and if God was comprehensible, then it wouldn’t be a very big God.
This is my Favourite Cliff talk. The 11 pieces of evidence. I've been watching the original video for 8 years episode 1810. So good it's been re-released. To bring to new viewers attention.
*Praise to God* Romans 11 33 How great are God's riches! How deep are his wisdom and knowledge! Who can explain his decisions? Who can understand his ways? 34 As the scripture says: “Who knows the mind of the Lord? Who is able to give him advice? 35 Who has ever given him anything, so that he had to pay it back?” 36 For all things were created by him, and all things exist through him and for him. To God be the glory for ever! Amen.
Great follow up to the abortion point, Cliff. Too often, Christians focus on the judgement of those who get abortions. You’re acknowledgment as a sinner just as guilty as women who get abortions was timely and profound. Love the honesty!
"You don't like him but, he's good"...Shows exactly where these students hearts are at... Always in denial of truth, no matter how its told...Unfortunately, the bible says it all to clearly..Good will be evil and evil good. God bless you Cliff....Continue being an ambassador of Christ sir. I really learned so much from you.
@@magalin1442 they’re standing around respectfully listening to a street preacher babble. Don’t tell me they aren’t looking for the truth. They’re just not finding it in what Cliffe’s saying
Good works Cliffe! No matter many how much truth you try to teach, like you say, some people will reject the truth anyway. But we do what we can, because the truth is life, and the ones don't accept will have no life in them. Gift of the mind is the terrible to waste away. They rejected where they come from and will reject going back to where they come from. I pray for them that God give them the courage to accept the Truth for after 100 years all will face the Truth and after 1000 years or 1 trillion years the one who rejected will keep rejecting it for eternity (God respects and back up so that they have their own ways). People have lost touch with time as if it is not a reality. They are wishing and buying into the idea of a matrix or other forms of idolatry and beliefs.
Job 38:4-7 4 “Where were you when I laid the earth’s foundation? Tell me, if you understand. 5 Who marked off its dimensions? Surely you know! Who stretched a measuring line across it? 6 On what were its footings set, or who laid its cornerstone 7 while the morning stars sang together and all the angels shouted for joy?
The moment cliffs goes viral, the mood of these will change horribly. I love this man and his ministry. I also recognize the mutual respect being paid in "most" of these videos.
If you're going to take on the task of debating a person who can pick verses anywhere from out of the Bible, who also has what seems to be education in theology, philosophy, science, and much more. I am glad to see these young adults show interest in Christianity to stick around, and ask questions. The more you learn, about all those educational programs I mentioned above the more you learn to be open minded. Maybe some will look further into it, and come to the Lord, and make a committed relationship to Him. If not it's your decision to find out if you were right, or wrong.
I'm guessing that most of those students, like most kids, were raised to believe in Christianity, but those beliefs are challenged when you attend universities and find more coherent answers to what the Bible taught, I may be totally wrong, but it's my guess those students aren't convinced by Cliffe's answers. How does the Lord make himself known to you?, Are you not in the same situation as a believer in any other religion?, eg: taking it on faith, and buying into the story. If the Bible were true, shouldn't the evidence be overwhelming and beyond question? .. maybe it is in your mind, but obviously none of those students are convinced by it.
@@Metalingots If everything operates like our observed physical universe and we are the observed elements of this universe then it follows that everything we are will become something else. Our consciousness will no longer exist. The elements that hold us together will spread out to form other things. This is demonstrable Can we say a soul exists? Where is it? Can we observe it? Or is it metaphorical and factually false?
@@pm69669 I don't think you have read the Bible for comprehendsion, not just to judge it. Reading a thing doesn't give understanding. That takes more effort.
The opening clip tells me everything I need to know about this debate, you cant relate an organic process to inorganic things because a mouse trap doesn’t have sex or reproduce, but if you want a better analogy that actually makes sense. Companies have never released half a mouse trap to the public. They have always been fully functional mouse trap whether they be primitive like snapping mouse trap. Over time as these companies began to expand they have made better trap to outsmart mice without any of the models being incomplete. That is how evolution works, there is never a time where you have half an eye or incomplete eye. But there are obvious steps where you can tell that it may not be the eye we have today but something as simple as photo sensitive cells reacting to light.
Fun fact - The first time the concept of hell didn't appear in any bible until 1611, up until then there's no record of such a word "Hell" appearing in any Christian texts.
@@kylemckinney_22 .. And there's the problem, there's literally billions of people who don't believe in the Christian god, to people of other religions YOU are separating yourself from THEIR god. As neither of you can even prove a god exists that's a big problem for believers, one of you is wrong and you cannot prove YOU are the right one. Atheists don't believe in ANY gods, so where do they go when they die?.
Cliff, you are a blessing and thank you for the pouring out of the scriptures. Just a small point - you said there are people in the word who would not have heard of Jesus because they were born about a hundred years before Jesus. You mentioned Moses as being one of those people. But what about the transfiguration where Jesus met with Moses and Elijah? Surely, Moses knew Jesus?
I talked to my friend a lot about that last part. We were bouncing off thoughts about how someone in like a cave could go to heaven without ever having access to a Bible or even being aware of it. We didn't fully come to an answer, but we did know that people wouldn't go to hell because of ignorance of not knowing. We were wondering that because we are designed in his image, we have a set of morals that come from a higher power. Those morals in essence do come from the word, but you might not know how you are arriving at those morals. Someone in that situation is obviously being tested, I'd argue much more, than most people, and since we know that we can speak to Jesus with our heart, there might be something to that. I'm definitely not recommending this route for anyone as an alternative, was just our thoughts on that hypothetical.
Yes I agree to believe in something that comes from nothing has great faith now put that faith in God through Christ and we have another strong brother or sister
No scientific theory, including the Big Bang Theory, says that something comes from nothing. When creationists accuse atheists of thinking that the universe came from absolute nothingness they're accusing them of something that no one believes.
8:54 - 8:58 That is something Satan would agree with: "This guy is good, his good, I don't like him, but he is good"! While you still have time, choose to humble yourself before Jesus Christ!
If you're a Christian why do you believe in something that comes from Zoroastrianism? Satan is not unique to Christianity, it's plagiarized from Ha-satan of Zoroastrianism.
Cliffe hit the nail on the head when cliffs said "that's intellectually dishonest." This guy is a worker of iniquity. Working to misrepresent God and his Word.
Matthew 7:6-9 NIV 6 “Do not give dogs what is sacred; do not throw your pearls to pigs. If you do, they may trample them under their feet, and turn and tear you to pieces. Ask, Seek, Knock 7 “Ask and it will be given to you; seek and you will find; knock and the door will be opened to you. 8 For everyone who asks receives; the one who seeks finds; and to the one who knocks, the door will be opened. 9 “Which of you, if your son asks for bread, will give him a stone?
I actually agree with the student in the beginning on this one. I think Paul was very clear what he was saying. I would have handled that argument differently. I agree with Cliffe on many issues, but I think he is to quick try to explain away scripture like 1 Timmothy 2. I don't think it is "sexist" to have different roles.
8:54 The guy whispering "This guy is good" . Its not about winning the argument guys gosh , be open minded and honest to the reality. Yeahh you don't like him cos he is making you think and pointing you the reality that the order and design of the world is too real to be an accident.
Why do people imagine that a new being isn't alive as soon as that egg is fertilized? Both parents are alive, and their lives merge. There's no single point when their child isn't alive, because before it has its own body, it is them.
How do they determine is sum1 is alive? They listen 4 a heartbeat. How do they determine if sum1 is dead? They listen 4 a heartbeat. A seperate heartbeat from the mothers can be HEARD👂& has been detected just 1-2wks after conception. Sounds like, alive 2.
Romans 1 18 For the wrath of God is revealed from heaven against all ungodliness and unrighteousness of men, who by their unrighteousness suppress the truth. 19 For what can be known about God is plain to them, because God has shown it to them.
@givemeananswer, you are correct. The living cell is extremely complex. So is the eye. There are many things about the eye that science doesn’t currently understand. But that doesn’t determine whether it came to its current existence through a “Designer” or Evolution. If the eye was created in a ‘step-by-step’ manner, that would mean that there would be multiple designs of the eye. Some designs would be able to see colour, some would see infrared radiation/body heat, some would be limited to black and white shades, and others would act totally different. This is true about our world. Homosapiens can see the colour that sharks cannot. And while snakes can see infrared radiation/body heat, the worm (a species sharing a common ancestor with the snake) doesn’t have eyes at all. Their environments determine which features they require to survive. The ones without these requirements die out. But Evolution is all about the present moment. So, if the environment changes, some of the current features will be less desirable than new ones, or the ones that worked beforehand. Over billions of years, the changes in environment go back and forth. Therefore, the characteristics of organisms change, causing Natural Selection to occur.
The fact that something seems irreducibly complex doesn’t mean that over millions of years it couldn’t have developed. The universe creates everything out of specific particles (building blocks, so to say). Although matter cannot be created or destroyed, it can be manipulated to become something else. The universe is constantly changing the order, size, quantity, and type of the particles to create new things using the matter that already exists. It never stops. Leaving plenty of opportunity for new characteristics to arise.
If God were to design a characteristic (such as the eye), He would see no purpose in creating more than one design. He would create one design that would fit all species, and that would be most efficient for all environments alike. As He supposedly loves us all, he would give everybody equal opportunities. Apparently, He did. He creates Adam and Eve, with almost identical DNA. Their following children would also have identical DNA. This would continue forever, a constant pattern of copying and pasting. So @givemeananswer, according to the Bible, answer me this: Why do all the species on Earth act/look/survive differently to each other?
I love that when he say life comes from non-life. People would argue. Okay but God can’t die , never observed something that couldn’t die. Well we have bacteria, they can be regarded eternal. God too is eternal! A bacteria keeps giving life! Untill something interacts with it. Luckily God is the ONLY cause of the universe, so nothing interacts with him. So have we observed non-life, give life? No. Have we observed something that can’t die, is eternal and gives life eternally.? Yes.
Cliff, regarding the girl at the end, who said, "we can't choose to believe in something". Did she pop out of the womb with a steadfast belief in the laws of gravity, motion, etc...? Was she born with innate belief that George Washington was our first President? Maybe, just maybe, she was presented with evidence of the veracity of these things, took the time to study said evidence, and then chose to believe in these concepts. What a novel idea!
Hey Cliffe, I love your approach and you do a really good job. I don't know you (obviously), so don't want to come across as being snarky, but that first question could have been much much much better dealt with and the verses defended if you had of taken a strong complementarian view of the text. You are exactly right that secularists have no way of grounding any value for women, nor for ultimately defending any view or societal place for women. But you can answer the question of value by stating that women are also made in the image of God, and that Paul describes the relationship that God made women to be in to men, expounding of the Genesis story and the nature of the helpmeet. I hope you see how difficult it was to defend from your perspective (I am even unsure that you are an egalitarian, but seems like you are), which is an unecessary difficulty if you take the text at face value. While there are some texts which are impossible to take on face value (though we do often find wiggle room in most of them), because of their apparent contradictariness to other verses, these are not one of them, because we never find contradictory texts. Priscilla and Aquilla is the only option, and even this is not necessarily authoritative teaching but rather informing or perhaps even apologetic work, and nevertheless she could very well be there with her husband helping him, or she might be the only person able to talk with him. Nonetheless building a position of egalitarianismnon this text is bad hermeneutics.
@@calvin6879 I’m not trying to be insightful or anything. It’s fairly common knowledge. The octopus eye is one example, and it is far superior to the mammal/primate eye that we possess. My only point was Cliffe suggested that every eye has some type of aperture and cornea system, which they do not, so the argument isn’t very good.
Ignorance angers me so much. We have the collective knowledge of the human race available at our fingertips and there are still some who refuse to look, they'd rather ask questions in RUclips comments. I'm sorry, it angers me so much. It's laziness. Just type it into a search engine, you lazy so and so.
@@mrmallard4600 I’m not sure what you mean by “change of kinds“. Also, I’m not trying to be insulting, but can you please use at least some punctuation. Very difficult to follow, especially if your responses are going to be longer.
I agree with him so much except for the end of this video where the girl asks what about those who never heard of Jesus or God; the fact is that Christianity and the name Jesus has been spread all over the world already so there’s no way that anyone can stand before God and say “ I’ve never heard of Jesus or you”
I remember seeing something on this topic before and it was going onto the idea that your heart and mind will desire you to search and not just blindly believe so I can understand what you mean by say such.
This might come as a bit of a shock to some of my fellow agnostic atheists here when I say this, and even some Christians here might be shocked to read an atheist saying this too but Evolution is irrelevant to whether or not there is a God or whether or not we can trust the Bible as a divine book. If evolution were shown to be flawed tomorrow, that STILL wouldn't tell me whether or not there is a God or whether or not I can trust the Bible and even those are also two SEPARATE things in and of themselves. This is where so many get confused, I can understand how it happens, I've done this too but it's a big mistake, they think that by kicking holes in one thing, they have proven the other or by demonstrating one thing, they have demonstrated the other, it doesn't work like that, each thing needs to be judged SEPARATELY and on its own merits. If a cook and a butler both get accused of murder and after some investigation, the butler is ruled out, does that mean the cook must have been the murderer? No, not necessarily, they still have to prove that the cook was the murderer despite now ruling out the butler, maybe they might BOTH end up being ruled out of the investigation. Can you see what I'm saying here? We need to judge each thing independently and not jump to any conclusions based on what the other thing might be. When it comes to this discussion, there are THREE questions that need to be addressed.....ONE AT A TIME. Firstly, do we have sufficient justification to believe that there is some higher, supreme being that we could designate 'God' who brought everything else into existence?? if the answer to that is 'yes', then the next question to ask should be, what kind of being is this, for example, is this being the SAME being/God that the Bible tells us about?? Now, if the answer to that is 'yes it's the God mentioned in the Bible', then the final question to ask is, can we trust that EVERYTHING we read in the Bible is from this God being? Now, if I could be convinced that the answer to all three of those questions is a resounding 'YES', including the last one, then I would be a Christian right now but as I say, each thing has to be judged independently, just convincing me that there must be some higher intelligent mind/being that kick-started the universe as we know it, is all very well but it doesn't give me any reason to be sure that the Bible is this beings message and just showing that SOME things in the Bible are right doesn't mean it must be ALL right, for all I know, God might have inspired some of it and men may have added loads of other things that were not from this God and many could be falsely believing it is from God, can you see what I'm saying? This is where people need to be careful, we could be persuaded into all kinds of things if we put too much 'make or break' focus on ONE element. There are many different things on the table here, we need to look at it all. As someone who is searching for answers I am leaving no stone unturned, I'm not afraid to say 'evolution could be flawed', I don't think it is but I have no qualms about saying it's possible it might be flawed because I'm not basing my world view on evolution or any one thing, I'm looking at EVERYTHING and assessing each thing on its own merits.
Excellent points John. Clearly mankind throughout their long history have looked for answers as to why we are here and whats the meaning of life etc etc ... in the past we've assumed that there is a higher being in charge of us, looking down from the heavens, and that being came in hundreds of different forms in the guise of Gods. I think you and I consider ourselves quite lucky that we live in a time on this planet where we have good answers to many of the things that past generations have attributed to Gods, and that these answers don't require a God, in that, they have natural explanations which science has discovered. Had you and I lived in, lets say the 10th century here in England, we would almost certainly believe in some form of Biblical God, and that would be the case for hundreds of years. I did ask the question in a previous video why it would be that Christianity clearly appears to be on the decline in virtually all major western democratic countries? .. I've yet to hear of any answer to that question. From the atheist perspective, it seems clear to me that we have much better answers to how and why things are the way they are, and that no God is required. The more we learn about the planet and the cosmos, the less the Christian God ( or any other man made God) comes into the picture. As you've always stated John... it's the hiddenness of God that goes against a belief in him for most non believers. Nothing is stopping him from making his presence known to us. God, if he existed, would know *exactly* what it would take for me to believe in him. I think Cliffe actually says in this video .."seek, and you *will* find him" ... that doesn't appear to be the case.
The OP is correct. There is nothing about evolution that precludes or disproves the existence of God. It's a fact regardless of whether God exists or not. It isn't a choice between evolution or God. Most people who believe in God and who accept evolution tend to mix a little of both.
I know how you can prove that the Bible is true and is the word of God and that the biblical God exists. Its called Bible Prophecy. Bible writes thousands of prophecies that came true hundreds of years later. This is the number 1 that the Bible is true. Prophecy has Gods fingerprint all over it.
No one can make you believe, but you can put yourself in a situation where you remove the obstacles for it, to stop all excuses and allow yourself to see and analyze the evidences
@@cameroneagle4370 the only part i remmeber was him saying why would women have value in your world view. But why wouldnt they?? We need them to reproduce they are humans so we feel empathy towards them he makes no sense
Nicely done young man! If not me, who? If not now, when? Looking for a leader? Look in the mirror!!!!! How would they know unless someone sends a preacher?!
Right I like when he say to that one girl you got to go read the Bible Scriptures for yourselves Amen. Being an college student doesn't mean we got to be Heavenly minded or close minded people!? God Almighty himself also give us humans many sense and common sense, it's up to us to use it.
@@chimpanzeethat3802 atheist is not the definition of the denial Of god and presto… it is the rejection of theism due to: scientism, theories.. nothingness according to Sean Carrol and Richard Dawkins..
Oh dear. Two things you need to know. A scientific theory is not the same as a theory in the colloquial sense of the word. What you might call a theory in everyday language is closer to a hypothesis in scientific terms. A hypothesis is an educated guess, one that can be tested. A scientific theory is when that hypothesis has been demonstrated to be factual. The subject matter of a scientific theory is fact, the scientific theory explains why. For example: Oxygen is a fact. Oxygen Theory explains why. Secondly, no one in the entire scientific community is claiming that the universe came from absolute nothingness. It's a misunderstanding of terms. What we tend to think of when we say "nothing" is the same as a philosophical nothing, which is the same as what physicists refer to as absolute nothing IE a complete lack of any space, energy, matter, particles and light. The Big Bang Theory doesn't actually say anything about something coming from nothing. The energy was already there. Energy is not nothing. Atheism is the rejection of God claims.
@@InvestigadorTJ _Nearly all atheism is the consequence of the lack of any logical evidence of gods._ So there's no "faith" involved at all. * Some people claim "god exists". * When asked to prove that they know this by presenting logical evidence proving a god exists, they can't. * If they present any arguments at all, those arguments rely on logical errors, and when these errors are explained to them they ignore the errors. * Often they don't present arguments and try to derail the conversation -- like by being confused about the meaning of atheist ("disbelief or lack of belief in the existence of God or gods.") and dragging conversation down to an argument over terms instead of discussing the heart of the matter. Until theists stop acting this way -- _until we have logical evidence of a god existing_ -- non-belief will continue to be the rational position. If you care about whether your beliefs are truth, and you can't present logical evidence, you should abandon belief.
Humans evolved from a common ancestor. Who said they evolved from rocks? This is Cliff Knechtle telling kids he does not understand science or prefers Genesis as an explanation.
@@benj766 That seems highly unlikely. Even a hundred years ago we knew better. Also, I would recommend you take everything that Hovind says with a truck-load of salt.
@@AJ-is7iv You missed the point. He doesnt want either of the options. Therefore his free will is violated. If I kidnap a woman and tell her to have sex with me or I can shoot her am I giving her a choice? Yes. Am I respecting her free will? No.
1 Corinthians 3:18-20 18 Let no man deceive himself. If any man among you seemeth to be wise in this world, let him become a fool, that he may be wise. 19 For the wisdom of this world is foolishness with God. For it is written: “He taketh the wise in their own craftiness”; 20 and again, “The Lord knoweth the thoughts of the wise, that they are vain.”
It's so ridiculous listening to a preacher act like he can disprove something like abiogenesis and evolution!!!! He has no idea what he's talking about but since it undermines his superstitions he teaches against it!!!
@@johnnyrocket5548 it's been proven. The theory of evolution is seen in multiple fields where everything line up. It's has predictive capability that's helped us make new discoveries multiple times. Even religious scientists including Christian scientists admit that it's a fact. Your misusing the one theory I'm scientific terms. There is theory of gravity. Gravity is still a fact. That guy does not have the credentials to criticize the theory of evolution!
@@Jhart44 first of all science isn't a verb. And you did start out as a single cell called a zygote and then mitosis began and developed you into a person.
Basically its impossible for an explosion to make rocks fall into a perfect position or order, and all constantly spinning around the sun. Its only possible with a superior intelligence. I believe many people just dont want to except that God is the obvious answer as being the almighty creator of everything. We can except or deny the overwhelming evidence that makes this most obvious answer to all life and creation.
You understand how gravity works right? Evolution does not refute the existence of a God, what it discusses is the development of life. If evolution was false it would not explain why some birds have vestigial claws or bird embryos have teeth.
I dare these people to take two college level chemistry and cellular/molecular biology classes and tell me that it’s not so incredibly complex that it could’ve just happened by accident. From the diversity and complexities of what we see, to the cell and all it’s components, to molecules and atoms and how they interact. There’s a specific function for every single thing on earth that has to work perfectly or it wouldn’t work at all.
I believe I could answer some questions if you have any. Not out of pride, but I can give a very simple answer to all life and creation. Ofcourse it does involve the truth from the Holy bible. But that does depend on if you want to here what I can answer.
@@shreddedhominid1629 So we basically went from 1 celled organisms, somehow to multi-cellular, to apes with 30 IQ, to creating an ion bombs all from random chance and mutations which have a 0.01% chance of being positive for the creature? And all to not be able to create a living cell in the lab. Still. Makes a lot of sense. I'll take God any day
he who created the the rules of reality and can change them the way they were created. And he is not a affected by them so you can not prove him with the rules of reality. it is like jesus said don't test the LORD thy God his ways are above your ways. so obviously you can not even observe him to test him and you don't have the means to test him you don't have the understanding to do it. When you follow God's ways you will understand how to test him. For instance use scripture to see if God spoke everything in the existence. If everything is vibration and frequency then this is a clear sign . And creation declares God. And science says God is not real but they don't know were we come from. So the burden of proof is on science untill someone can demonstrate a full working model a grand unified theory of everything. God is on the throne
@@rdkayyvalorant Humanity has come pretty damn close multiple times, disease outbreaks, famines, climate change and now with the added bonus of nuclear warheads. Shame God never explicitly mentioned those. Don’t forget all the animals that have gone extinct in recent and ancient history.
@@rdkayyvalorant Humanity has come pretty damn close multiple times, disease outbreaks, famines, climate change and now with the added bonus of nuclear warheads. Shame God never explicitly mentioned those. Don’t forget all the animals that have gone extinct in recent and ancient history.
@@rdkayyvalorant We have came close many times hell during the Cold War we almost destroyed ourselves by simply manipulating atoms. Don’t forget the various outbreaks throughout history, and the animals that have not survived overhunting, habitat destruction, and climate change. God or not every living thing is in a constant war against the elements and anti evolutionary creationists are gambling with humanity’s survival if they don’t realize this.
@@lorddevilfish5868 Is there something wrong with being anti-evolutionary? I personally think evolution is impossible based on how complex one single cell is, and how there are so many gaps in the theory, we went from single cellular to multi-cellular somehow then to animals, which are 100x more complicated, my question is: do you believe life can come from non life and something can come from nothing?
The comment on women need to wear a covering, it’s a reference to wear the covering of Christ. Like a marriage veil when you enter into the covenant with God.
The guy keep saying i dont like him so funny Cliffe have alot of knowledge these student are baffled Cliffe is just opening up the minds of these kids to think.
1 Corinthians 2:11 For what man knoweth the things of a man, save the spirit of man which is in him? Even so no man knoweth the things of God, but the Spirit of God.
1:29 how is it that a nonbeliever talks about the right context but most western church pulls context from other things instead of the context that Paul uses? Thats shows you just how little the western church actually knows about the bible, and they are also trying to make the bible seem less offensive, because in reality the western church wants people to like them in an effort to get people to come to christ but they are leading people to a different christ. And these are just some of the western churches not all. 4:27 "women have less value than men" NOOOOOOOOO, they have different roles than men, men and women are equal in dignity, value and all that, but they have different roles in how they are to function in society, THAT IS WHAT THE BIBLE TEACHES my friend not that they are less in anyway
So glad you said it cuz it’s impossible from something to come from nothing, there’s always a creator.. So Atheism is null in void, I welcome a better argument
Dat made me 😄, "dis guys good, I don't.like him, but he's good." Pastor Cliffe didn't find it funny but I did. Pastor Cliffe gave d BEST answer I've eva heard to abortion due to rape. He said he'll PLEAD wit dem to not abort d child. I've seen so many believers give a non compassionate answer. He also gave d BEST answer to going to hell, he said, if u live ur life separate from God, y would u want to spend eternity with God in Heaven?
lets just respect these students for actually being as respectful as possible and actually listening when asking a question and thinking about his points rather then discrediting them and ignoring them. these are good open minded people in my opinion. may we never lose this.
Cliffe should get his facts straight before he begins preaching his nonsense to kids who bombarded with too much information.
absolutely zanni, it's good that they are having a rational discussion on a serious subject, I tend to side with the students on this matter. I've never heard atheists going around saying that "life came from non life", as an atheist it's something which science hasn't yet figured out, but we're constantly being told thats what we believe. No it isn't. We don't know how life originated.
@@JamesRichardWiley I'm guessing that Cliffe truly believes the things he does James, in his mind it seems rational. Thankfully kids these days are 'blessed' with the worlds knowledge on a tiny device and can make their own minds up without being told what to believe.
Bonnie says: "...rational discussion..." while he's the king of... well... After a decade on this channel, he's still at square one! (Proverbs 1:22)
@@bonnie43uk worlds of knowledge? Google one thing and you’ll have 52,000 answers, all differing from each-other, even in “facts”, creating more controversy than before. Too much knowledge keeps the mind open. An open mind needs to be closed on something solid.
God has answered so many questions through your videos Pastor Cliffe. Thank you for your actions! They are beautiful and inspirational! I pray for you!
A teacher without walls.
Love this dude.
He's a good enough teacher BUT There's no way he should be quoting that suicide stuff, there is such a thing as the power of suggestion, down and outs coming across this could be detrimental
@@darkeen42 proof??
@@mrmallard4600 I don't know about the editing, I do know that Ray Comfort is well known for doing that though. Anyway, he's not a teacher, he indoctrinates, there is a difference. His whole IC claim has been debunked long time ago, but here is a more recent take down of that fallacious argument. ruclips.net/video/MVQGQz-0Xeo/видео.html
@@johnkennedy7327 I’ll be very upfront if there is no god suicide would be a choice to make. I could not handle the true meaningless of it all. It’s also obvious he’s not arguing for it but he’s pointing out how illogical it will get
“I don’t like him but he is good” 😂🤣
Why don’t u like him?
@@atticashes8035 It's a quote, not a statement.
you can just tell that this man has a way of reaching people. that kid was definitely listening and thinking about his words. that’s all you can ask for really.
@@alexandriamahoneyy24687 You can always pray for him.
@@t.macneil7048 good one
We are all sure that Cliffe isn’t hanging out to read or hear a whole lot of complimentary things about himself,
But nevertheless it’s pleasing to us to be able to express how his speaking on campus can help us. I got a boost from it today. He’s a talented speaker that’s very good at talking about God, our favourite subject.
@Guitar Rens you dont even know how to spell liar
I feel the same. No one should have blind faith, but look at the evedence and use common sense. He made a heap of very valid points.
Great respect for this brave guy. Never backs down and never looses his cool.... WOW
@@leonstoltz6088 This is an interesting subject Leon. I can say this.
I didn’t really realise or appreciate the faith I had until challenged by atheists to produce evidence for God’s existence.
I think initially I thought I believed in God primarily because of creation.
However I am now inclined to believe that my belief in God is mainly because of faith, although God’s creation around about me is either equally important or it at least comes a close second.
And I think this is hard for an atheist to understand, because this faith which is a gift from God, given to those whom God knows will follow Him, is such that it’s all persuasive in persuading us of God’s existence.
Therefore whilst some might call my faith blind faith, to me it isn’t like that at all. It’s an incredible knowing that’s beyond comprehension.
@@leonstoltz6088 Not sure if never backing down is always a good trait Leon, as an atheist I would certainly back down from my stance that God probably does not exist if encountered really credible evidence. Changing your opinion based on credible evidence is a good trait I would suggest. I'm with you 100% on the 'not losing your cool' aspect.. that's an excellent trait to have.😊
Too bad he is replacing the world that surrounds him
with stories from a Bronze Age book
that are proven false when examined in detail.
Thank you Cliffe. ❤️ from India.
I wish I could go back to early adulthood with the faith that I have now. I’m so inspired by these young adults asking the most pertinent questions about our existence. I’m also inspired by how prepared he is with just the right answers. I wish I could do that. I would love to stand in a circle and be bombarded with questions from respectful intellectuals about why I believe. If I knew everyone was open to this kind of dialogue, I’d be roaming the streets day and night, talking Jesus 24/7. Thank you, Lord for my faith that you have given me, which I don’t deserve, which spares me from a fate that I totally deserve. 😭
19:31 thank youuuuuu cliffe for giving the correct statement of the commandment, "you shall not MURDER" and murder is the unjust killing on a life
Never seen someone so calmly and peacefully dismantle peoples thoughts and beliefs…and it’s so logical and easy for everyone to understand. Straight forward and to point, doesn’t stray too far from the main point. This guy is a master assassin in the kingdom of heaven! Keep up the work brother Cliffe! God bless the path you walk! Praise be to the most high!
Deuteronomy 31:8
“And the Lord, He is the the one who goes before you, He will be with you, He will not leave you nor forsake you; do not fear nor dismayed. “
Ya then the Holocaust happened.
@Guitar Rens
The Christian God is good but not good enough to leave any empirical evidence to examine so we know it exists or care enough to stop the suffering of it's creation ?
But it loves you right ?
Lmao Christians 😂
@@saintpaulofyoutube4416
It's a great argument for the Christian God being metaphorically true and factually false .
@@jasonnoble7814 ur everywhere get out pls. ur just here to argue
@@pepperslicesinmyeyesaregre3345
Why should I “get out” ?
The first kid is completely right in his reading of Paul's words to Timothy on the functions of men and women in the church. Clearly, Paul applies the words that women should not teach with authority over men to all churches and all Christians. Furthermore, as the kid stated in the video, his reasoning is Adam and Eve and their story. This is a universal reason. Paul didn't mention anything about Ephesus and their pagan gods, so we must not make that assumption.
The right answer to his question should be, yes, men and women have different functions in different settings. But they are on the same value. A proof of this is that the Son and the Father in the Trinity have different functions and the Father is said to be functionally "above" the Son, yet they are exactly of the same value and nature, to say otherwise would be Heresy.
To answer Mr. Cliffe's counter argument about Priscilla teaching Apollos. Any teaching done by Priscilla to another man was not done with authority. She was not preaching as an apostle or pastor or from a pastor's pulpit. There is nothing wrong with women teaching men. It is wrong when it is done with spiritual authority.
I agree. In a normal man/woman relationship, the man is the head of the family. Same in the church, thus I don't agree with women being pastors. People are nervous in stating this relationship that God created. Eve was deceived...but sin entered the world by Adam.
@@spacecoastz4026 yes, especially in apologetics. They're rightfully concerned about making their arguments appealing to Their audience. So they will dance around those topics.
Agreed. The teacher is wrong on this one. Women are not allowed to preach to men because of the divine order.
Me: a female studying to be an evangelist
Kat kerr: a female revelationist
My grandmother: an assistant pastor
Any Christian woman connected to God knows her place. I believe there are women who have those roles in life, and if God leads them to it, then he does.
@@clementine7655 God will never contradict his word, and private feelings and revelation should never contradict his Word.
As one who used to believe in egalitarianism in the pulpit (coming up in the Assemblies of God church), I now find no basis for this scripturally, and find that scripture contradicts this. I say this humbly, but firmly based on the Word of God. I say this as a married man, whose wife now believes in complemtarianism based on scripture. GotQuestions has a great video on this. ruclips.net/video/z-PUtuzYzJg/видео.html
This is my favorite vid so far. Thank you so much for this☺️
Yeah I think same here. The way how he responded was amazing
Excellent teaching once again. God has given you much wisdom.
What.. Going against biblical teachings and saying the big bang happened and god used evolution?? Totally unbiblical and unscientific mate.
@@andrewwian4921He didn’t say that, he quoted what scientist say in that we know the universe has a beginning.
Excellent indeed, I agree
God is hidden and beyond human comprehension
so you need faith to imagine he is real.
Not for me.
@@JamesRichardWiley Gods creating is right in front of you but you chose to not see it out of ignorant pride.
But yes all of God is beyond comprehension for sure and if God was comprehensible, then it wouldn’t be a very big God.
This is my Favourite Cliff talk. The 11 pieces of evidence. I've been watching the original video for 8 years episode 1810. So good it's been re-released. To bring to new viewers attention.
*Praise to God*
Romans 11
33 How great are God's riches! How deep are his wisdom and knowledge! Who can explain his decisions? Who can understand his ways?
34 As the scripture says:
“Who knows the mind of the Lord? Who is able to give him advice? 35 Who has ever given him anything, so that he had to pay it back?” 36 For all things were created by him, and all things exist through him and for him. To God be the glory for ever! Amen.
Prove it
@@jasonnoble7814 do u believe in evolution?
Super God bless you, Mr Cliffe Knechle 🙏❤🙏❤🙏
Great follow up to the abortion point, Cliff. Too often, Christians focus on the judgement of those who get abortions. You’re acknowledgment as a sinner just as guilty as women who get abortions was timely and profound. Love the honesty!
ESTE VATO IS SPEAKING THAT DEEP TRUTH!!
Vato? What is a vato?
@@Bmwguy2011 it's Chicano slang for 'this dude' or 'this homie'
"You don't like him but, he's good"...Shows exactly where these students hearts are at...
Always in denial of truth, no matter how its told...Unfortunately, the bible says it all to clearly..Good will be evil and evil good.
God bless you Cliff....Continue being an ambassador of Christ sir.
I really learned so much from you.
right!! they just dont want the truth unfortunately:(
上士闻道，勤而行之；中士闻道，若存若亡；下士闻道，大笑之。~ 老子 道德经
@@magalin1442 they’re standing around respectfully listening to a street preacher babble. Don’t tell me they aren’t looking for the truth. They’re just not finding it in what Cliffe’s saying
Good works Cliffe! No matter many how much truth you try to teach, like you say, some people will reject the truth anyway. But we do what we can, because the truth is life, and the ones don't accept will have no life in them. Gift of the mind is the terrible to waste away. They rejected where they come from and will reject going back to where they come from. I pray for them that God give them the courage to accept the Truth for after 100 years all will face the Truth and after 1000 years or 1 trillion years the one who rejected will keep rejecting it for eternity (God respects and back up so that they have their own ways). People have lost touch with time as if it is not a reality. They are wishing and buying into the idea of a matrix or other forms of idolatry and beliefs.
Job 38:4-7
4 “Where were you when I laid the earth’s foundation? Tell me, if you understand.
5 Who marked off its dimensions?
Surely you know! Who stretched a measuring line across it?
6 On what were its footings set, or who laid its cornerstone
7 while the morning stars sang together and all the angels shouted for joy?
Prove it
@@jasonnoble7814 do you base your life off or proof or do you base it off of evidence?
The moment cliffs goes viral, the mood of these will change horribly.
I love this man and his ministry. I also recognize the mutual respect being paid in "most" of these videos.
I kind of want to meet him. I think we could have a great talk. Us two being Christians.
I've met him, his wife, son Stuart and his daughter-in-law. Nice folks. You should hang out where he debates some time.
I see on this man the real love for the people to hear the gospel🙏 amazing ministry God bless him❤️
If you're going to take on the task of debating a person who can pick verses anywhere from out of the Bible, who also has what seems to be education in theology, philosophy, science, and much more. I am glad to see these young adults show interest in Christianity to stick around, and ask questions. The more you learn, about all those educational programs I mentioned above the more you learn to be open minded. Maybe some will look further into it, and come to the Lord, and make a committed relationship to Him. If not it's your decision to find out if you were right, or wrong.
The problem is you will never know you're wrong
@@jasonnoble7814 If you have a soul as the bible says, your physical body won't know, but your soul will.
@Guitar Rens How so?
I'm guessing that most of those students, like most kids, were raised to believe in Christianity, but those beliefs are challenged when you attend universities and find more coherent answers to what the Bible taught, I may be totally wrong, but it's my guess those students aren't convinced by Cliffe's answers. How does the Lord make himself known to you?, Are you not in the same situation as a believer in any other religion?, eg: taking it on faith, and buying into the story. If the Bible were true, shouldn't the evidence be overwhelming and beyond question? .. maybe it is in your mind, but obviously none of those students are convinced by it.
@@Metalingots
If everything operates like our observed physical universe and we are the observed elements of this universe then it follows that everything we are will become something else. Our consciousness will no longer exist. The elements that hold us together will spread out to form other things.
This is demonstrable
Can we say a soul exists?
Where is it?
Can we observe it?
Or is it metaphorical and factually false?
These always help my faith. Hearing arguments in favor of god calm my nerves
I know, imagine if it's all we filled our time ( minds ) with, the world would be a lot better...
@@cameroneagle4370 exactly, if we all just focused on studying the bible and worshipping god, imagine how perfect the world would be
AimNone Gaming it's exactly what god try's to tell us in the Bible, so true
@@aimnone i dont think youve really studied the bible
@@pm69669
I don't think you have read the Bible for comprehendsion, not just to judge it. Reading a thing doesn't give understanding. That takes more effort.
Great questions from the first guy and awesome answers to the questions 👏🏾.
The opening clip tells me everything I need to know about this debate, you cant relate an organic process to inorganic things because a mouse trap doesn’t have sex or reproduce, but if you want a better analogy that actually makes sense. Companies have never released half a mouse trap to the public. They have always been fully functional mouse trap whether they be primitive like snapping mouse trap. Over time as these companies began to expand they have made better trap to outsmart mice without any of the models being incomplete. That is how evolution works, there is never a time where you have half an eye or incomplete eye. But there are obvious steps where you can tell that it may not be the eye we have today but something as simple as photo sensitive cells reacting to light.
God bless you and the ministry he is using you in.
Which “”God” and what belief method gives you that knowledge?
@@jasonnoble7814 😂😂 you atheists man, you always say “which god” you guys are like robots I tell you.
@@TheRealTact
Yep
2+2=4
Not the Christian 5
Lmao
Cliff is teaching people how to avoid hell.
Fun fact - The first time the concept of hell didn't appear in any bible until 1611, up until then there's no record of such a word "Hell" appearing in any Christian texts.
@@davidpower7874 translations of hell found in dead sea scrolls that date back thousands of years
@@jesusisking1-v6v .. The dead sea scrolls are NOT Christian texts.
@@davidpower7874 Instead of Hell use "separation from God"
@@kylemckinney_22 .. And there's the problem, there's literally billions of people who don't believe in the Christian god, to people of other religions YOU are separating yourself from THEIR god. As neither of you can even prove a god exists that's a big problem for believers, one of you is wrong and you cannot prove YOU are the right one. Atheists don't believe in ANY gods, so where do they go when they die?.
Great stuff Cliffe!!! Many service members have become atheists like these college students and need to hear this msg too. 😅
Cliff, you are a blessing and thank you for the pouring out of the scriptures. Just a small point - you said there are people in the word who would not have heard of Jesus because they were born about a hundred years before Jesus. You mentioned Moses as being one of those people. But what about the transfiguration where Jesus met with Moses and Elijah? Surely, Moses knew Jesus?
He makes great points. Which leads to truth.
I talked to my friend a lot about that last part. We were bouncing off thoughts about how someone in like a cave could go to heaven without ever having access to a Bible or even being aware of it. We didn't fully come to an answer, but we did know that people wouldn't go to hell because of ignorance of not knowing. We were wondering that because we are designed in his image, we have a set of morals that come from a higher power. Those morals in essence do come from the word, but you might not know how you are arriving at those morals. Someone in that situation is obviously being tested, I'd argue much more, than most people, and since we know that we can speak to Jesus with our heart, there might be something to that. I'm definitely not recommending this route for anyone as an alternative, was just our thoughts on that hypothetical.
Yes I agree to believe in something that comes from nothing has great faith now put that faith in God through Christ and we have another strong brother or sister
Reminds me of a great book: “I don’t have enough faith to be an Atheist”
Who ever said something comes from nothing? Oh, and frank turek is a snake oil salesman
No scientific theory, including the Big Bang Theory, says that something comes from nothing.
When creationists accuse atheists of thinking that the universe came from absolute nothingness they're accusing them of something that no one believes.
Powerful Apologetic work. Hallelujah 🙌❤️🙏✝️
8:54 - 8:58 That is something Satan would agree with: "This guy is good, his good, I don't like him, but he is good"! While you still have time, choose to humble yourself before Jesus Christ!
How do you know what Satan would agree with or not?
If you're a Christian why do you believe in something that comes from Zoroastrianism? Satan is not unique to Christianity, it's plagiarized from Ha-satan of Zoroastrianism.
Cliff is in the right track ,now extend and apply same concepts to all animal life form and we are getting somewhere.
“I dont like him, but his good” 😂
Could listen to you guys all day! Thank you so much for everything that you do! God bless you and your family!
Cliffe is an excellent teacher x
Cliffe hit the nail on the head when cliffs said "that's intellectually dishonest." This guy is a worker of iniquity. Working to misrepresent God and his Word.
This is amazing
@Guitar Rens ➡️😭
@Guitar Rens elaborate for me?
@Guitar Rens
Yep
@@jasonnoble7814 do you agree?
@@zanenzeller4885
I'm an atheist
Do you believe Christianity corresponds with reality and if so how and why ?
He is so smart ! Man I thank Hod for Cliff ! Hope these guys thought more about all this
Great work! God bless you
Which God and how do you know it exists ?
Matthew 7:6-9
NIV
6 “Do not give dogs what is sacred; do not throw your pearls to pigs. If you do, they may trample them under their feet, and turn and tear you to pieces.
Ask, Seek, Knock
7 “Ask and it will be given to you; seek and you will find; knock and the door will be opened to you. 8 For everyone who asks receives; the one who seeks finds; and to the one who knocks, the door will be opened.
9 “Which of you, if your son asks for bread, will give him a stone?
No
@@jasonnoble7814 Yeah
Even tho i hear the same questions and answers i still enjoy watching.
I actually agree with the student in the beginning on this one. I think Paul was very clear what he was saying. I would have handled that argument differently. I agree with Cliffe on many issues, but I think he is to quick try to explain away scripture like 1 Timmothy 2. I don't think it is "sexist" to have different roles.
LOL that kid that says oh he's good I don't like him but he's good. That's what you call evidence of the holy Spirit
That's a perfect example of man worrying more about what the world ( other students) thinks of him ,then God!..
Are you insane ?
Horse shit.
To clarify I meant the holy spirit working on Cliff
Richard Longfellow what is horse shit exactly
8:54 The guy whispering "This guy is good" . Its not about winning the argument guys gosh , be open minded and honest to the reality. Yeahh you don't like him cos he is making you think and pointing you the reality that the order and design of the world is too real to be an accident.
The kids were so impressed lol
Why do people imagine that a new being isn't alive as soon as that egg is fertilized?
Both parents are alive, and their lives merge. There's no single point when their child isn't alive, because before it has its own body, it is them.
How do they determine is sum1 is alive?
They listen 4 a heartbeat.
How do they determine if sum1 is dead?
They listen 4 a heartbeat.
A seperate heartbeat from the mothers can be HEARD👂& has been detected just 1-2wks after conception.
Sounds like, alive 2.
Romans 1
18 For the wrath of God is revealed from heaven against all ungodliness and unrighteousness of men, who by their unrighteousness suppress the truth. 19 For what can be known about God is plain to them, because God has shown it to them.
This one I think is the most powerfull discussion of him I have ever seen
Funny that Grace Community Church is in the “New Canaan”
Which do you think is more likely to survive: a rabbit with no vision at all or a rabbit with partial vision?
❤ FROM INDONESIA
@givemeananswer, you are correct. The living cell is extremely complex. So is the eye. There are many things about the eye that science doesn’t currently understand. But that doesn’t determine whether it came to its current existence through a “Designer” or Evolution. If the eye was created in a ‘step-by-step’ manner, that would mean that there would be multiple designs of the eye. Some designs would be able to see colour, some would see infrared radiation/body heat, some would be limited to black and white shades, and others would act totally different. This is true about our world. Homosapiens can see the colour that sharks cannot. And while snakes can see infrared radiation/body heat, the worm (a species sharing a common ancestor with the snake) doesn’t have eyes at all. Their environments determine which features they require to survive. The ones without these requirements die out. But Evolution is all about the present moment. So, if the environment changes, some of the current features will be less desirable than new ones, or the ones that worked beforehand. Over billions of years, the changes in environment go back and forth. Therefore, the characteristics of organisms change, causing Natural Selection to occur.
The fact that something seems irreducibly complex doesn’t mean that over millions of years it couldn’t have developed. The universe creates everything out of specific particles (building blocks, so to say). Although matter cannot be created or destroyed, it can be manipulated to become something else. The universe is constantly changing the order, size, quantity, and type of the particles to create new things using the matter that already exists. It never stops. Leaving plenty of opportunity for new characteristics to arise.
If God were to design a characteristic (such as the eye), He would see no purpose in creating more than one design. He would create one design that would fit all species, and that would be most efficient for all environments alike. As He supposedly loves us all, he would give everybody equal opportunities. Apparently, He did. He creates Adam and Eve, with almost identical DNA. Their following children would also have identical DNA. This would continue forever, a constant pattern of copying and pasting.
So @givemeananswer, according to the Bible, answer me this: Why do all the species on Earth act/look/survive differently to each other?
I would love to see him and Frank Turek Teach
Yes. :)
I love that when he say life comes from non-life. People would argue. Okay but God can’t die , never observed something that couldn’t die. Well we have bacteria, they can be regarded eternal. God too is eternal! A bacteria keeps giving life! Untill something interacts with it. Luckily God is the ONLY cause of the universe, so nothing interacts with him. So have we observed non-life, give life? No. Have we observed something that can’t die, is eternal and gives life eternally.? Yes.
This is one of the best ones
Cliff, regarding the girl at the end, who said, "we can't choose to believe in something". Did she pop out of the womb with a steadfast belief in the laws of gravity, motion, etc...? Was she born with innate belief that George Washington was our first President? Maybe, just maybe, she was presented with evidence of the veracity of these things, took the time to study said evidence, and then chose to believe in these concepts. What a novel idea!
Those guys are good at frisbee tho
Hey Cliffe, I love your approach and you do a really good job. I don't know you (obviously), so don't want to come across as being snarky, but that first question could have been much much much better dealt with and the verses defended if you had of taken a strong complementarian view of the text.
You are exactly right that secularists have no way of grounding any value for women, nor for ultimately defending any view or societal place for women. But you can answer the question of value by stating that women are also made in the image of God, and that Paul describes the relationship that God made women to be in to men, expounding of the Genesis story and the nature of the helpmeet. I hope you see how difficult it was to defend from your perspective (I am even unsure that you are an egalitarian, but seems like you are), which is an unecessary difficulty if you take the text at face value. While there are some texts which are impossible to take on face value (though we do often find wiggle room in most of them), because of their apparent contradictariness to other verses, these are not one of them, because we never find contradictory texts. Priscilla and Aquilla is the only option, and even this is not necessarily authoritative teaching but rather informing or perhaps even apologetic work, and nevertheless she could very well be there with her husband helping him, or she might be the only person able to talk with him. Nonetheless building a position of egalitarianismnon this text is bad hermeneutics.
He should probably drop that opening argument, because we know the eye evolved in at least six different ways.
Oh yeah? Please enlighten all of us....
@@calvin6879
I’m not trying to be insightful or anything. It’s fairly common knowledge. The octopus eye is one example, and it is far superior to the mammal/primate eye that we possess. My only point was Cliffe suggested that every eye has some type of aperture and cornea system, which they do not, so the argument isn’t very good.
Ignorance angers me so much. We have the collective knowledge of the human race available at our fingertips and there are still some who refuse to look, they'd rather ask questions in RUclips comments.
I'm sorry, it angers me so much. It's laziness. Just type it into a search engine, you lazy so and so.
Give me observable evidence of Darwin evolution a change of kinds something that i don’t have to receive by faith
@@mrmallard4600
I’m not sure what you mean by “change of kinds“.
Also, I’m not trying to be insulting, but can you please use at least some punctuation. Very difficult to follow, especially if your responses are going to be longer.
I agree with him so much except for the end of this video where the girl asks what about those who never heard of Jesus or God; the fact is that Christianity and the name Jesus has been spread all over the world already so there’s no way that anyone can stand before God and say “ I’ve never heard of Jesus or you”
I remember seeing something on this topic before and it was going onto the idea that your heart and mind will desire you to search and not just blindly believe so I can understand what you mean by say such.
God is good
He has to be , he's GOD!
Prove it
@@cameroneagle4370
Gods can not be neutral?
Has Cliffe graduated from high school?
Thanks to ignorant people like you who make it easy for us thinking beings.
given his understanding of biology probably not LOL
People don't evolve from a rock but they can think like one
😅🤣😂🤜🤛👍
🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣, oh dangggg, that would be the only evidence of people evolving from a rock, that people still think like those things 😂😂
Evolution doesn't teach that life came from rock.
This might come as a bit of a shock to some of my fellow agnostic atheists here when I say this, and even some Christians here might be shocked to read an atheist saying this too but Evolution is irrelevant to whether or not there is a God or whether or not we can trust the Bible as a divine book. If evolution were shown to be flawed tomorrow, that STILL wouldn't tell me whether or not there is a God or whether or not I can trust the Bible and even those are also two SEPARATE things in and of themselves.
This is where so many get confused, I can understand how it happens, I've done this too but it's a big mistake, they think that by kicking holes in one thing, they have proven the other or by demonstrating one thing, they have demonstrated the other, it doesn't work like that, each thing needs to be judged SEPARATELY and on its own merits. If a cook and a butler both get accused of murder and after some investigation, the butler is ruled out, does that mean the cook must have been the murderer? No, not necessarily, they still have to prove that the cook was the murderer despite now ruling out the butler, maybe they might BOTH end up being ruled out of the investigation. Can you see what I'm saying here? We need to judge each thing independently and not jump to any conclusions based on what the other thing might be.
When it comes to this discussion, there are THREE questions that need to be addressed.....ONE AT A TIME. Firstly, do we have sufficient justification to believe that there is some higher, supreme being that we could designate 'God' who brought everything else into existence?? if the answer to that is 'yes', then the next question to ask should be, what kind of being is this, for example, is this being the SAME being/God that the Bible tells us about?? Now, if the answer to that is 'yes it's the God mentioned in the Bible', then the final question to ask is, can we trust that EVERYTHING we read in the Bible is from this God being?
Now, if I could be convinced that the answer to all three of those questions is a resounding 'YES', including the last one, then I would be a Christian right now but as I say, each thing has to be judged independently, just convincing me that there must be some higher intelligent mind/being that kick-started the universe as we know it, is all very well but it doesn't give me any reason to be sure that the Bible is this beings message and just showing that SOME things in the Bible are right doesn't mean it must be ALL right, for all I know, God might have inspired some of it and men may have added loads of other things that were not from this God and many could be falsely believing it is from God, can you see what I'm saying?
This is where people need to be careful, we could be persuaded into all kinds of things if we put too much 'make or break' focus on ONE element. There are many different things on the table here, we need to look at it all. As someone who is searching for answers I am leaving no stone unturned, I'm not afraid to say 'evolution could be flawed', I don't think it is but I have no qualms about saying it's possible it might be flawed because I'm not basing my world view on evolution or any one thing, I'm looking at EVERYTHING and assessing each thing on its own merits.
Excellent points John. Clearly mankind throughout their long history have looked for answers as to why we are here and whats the meaning of life etc etc ... in the past we've assumed that there is a higher being in charge of us, looking down from the heavens, and that being came in hundreds of different forms in the guise of Gods. I think you and I consider ourselves quite lucky that we live in a time on this planet where we have good answers to many of the things that past generations have attributed to Gods, and that these answers don't require a God, in that, they have natural explanations which science has discovered. Had you and I lived in, lets say the 10th century here in England, we would almost certainly believe in some form of Biblical God, and that would be the case for hundreds of years.
I did ask the question in a previous video why it would be that Christianity clearly appears to be on the decline in virtually all major western democratic countries? .. I've yet to hear of any answer to that question. From the atheist perspective, it seems clear to me that we have much better answers to how and why things are the way they are, and that no God is required. The more we learn about the planet and the cosmos, the less the Christian God ( or any other man made God) comes into the picture.
As you've always stated John... it's the hiddenness of God that goes against a belief in him for most non believers. Nothing is stopping him from making his presence known to us. God, if he existed, would know *exactly* what it would take for me to believe in him. I think Cliffe actually says in this video .."seek, and you *will* find him" ... that doesn't appear to be the case.
The OP is correct. There is nothing about evolution that precludes or disproves the existence of God. It's a fact regardless of whether God exists or not.
It isn't a choice between evolution or God. Most people who believe in God and who accept evolution tend to mix a little of both.
I know how you can prove that the Bible is true and is the word of God and that the biblical God exists. Its called Bible Prophecy. Bible writes thousands of prophecies that came true hundreds of years later. This is the number 1 that the Bible is true. Prophecy has Gods fingerprint all over it.
No one can make you believe, but you can put yourself in a situation where you remove the obstacles for it, to stop all excuses and allow yourself to see and analyze the evidences
It's so funny to watch young people try so hard to act like they know god doesn't exist, as if they know better....I was there once...
fat north I agree he out matches college students...your right on that...however his arguments stand strong.
@@cameroneagle4370 no they dont i can tair them appart easy and im stupid
nolo02 have at it ...?..
@@cameroneagle4370 the only part i remmeber was him saying why would women have value in your world view. But why wouldnt they?? We need them to reproduce they are humans so we feel empathy towards them he makes no sense
@@cameroneagle4370 hes talking evolution out of context it doesnt work like that a mouse wont turn into a rat in one generation
Nicely done young man! If not me, who? If not now, when? Looking for a leader? Look in the mirror!!!!! How would they know unless someone sends a preacher?!
Yo gota read, I don’t have enough faith to be an Atheist
Right I like when he say to that one girl you got to go read the Bible Scriptures for yourselves Amen.
Being an college student doesn't mean we got to be Heavenly minded or close minded people!? God Almighty himself also give us humans many sense and common sense, it's up to us to use it.
It takes zero faith to be an atheist. It's a rejection of YOUR faith based belief. This rejection is based on logic not faith.
@@chimpanzeethat3802 atheist is not the definition of the denial
Of god and presto… it is the rejection of theism due to: scientism, theories.. nothingness according to Sean Carrol and Richard Dawkins..
Oh dear. Two things you need to know.
A scientific theory is not the same as a theory in the colloquial sense of the word. What you might call a theory in everyday language is closer to a hypothesis in scientific terms.
A hypothesis is an educated guess, one that can be tested. A scientific theory is when that hypothesis has been demonstrated to be factual.
The subject matter of a scientific theory is fact, the scientific theory explains why. For example:
Oxygen is a fact. Oxygen Theory explains why.
Secondly, no one in the entire scientific community is claiming that the universe came from absolute nothingness. It's a misunderstanding of terms. What we tend to think of when we say "nothing" is the same as a philosophical nothing, which is the same as what physicists refer to as absolute nothing IE a complete lack of any space, energy, matter, particles and light.
The Big Bang Theory doesn't actually say anything about something coming from nothing. The energy was already there. Energy is not nothing.
Atheism is the rejection of God claims.
@@InvestigadorTJ _Nearly all atheism is the consequence of the lack of any logical evidence of gods._ So there's no "faith" involved at all.
* Some people claim "god exists".
* When asked to prove that they know this by presenting logical evidence proving a god exists, they can't.
* If they present any arguments at all, those arguments rely on logical errors, and when these errors are explained to them they ignore the errors.
* Often they don't present arguments and try to derail the conversation -- like by being confused about the meaning of atheist ("disbelief or lack of belief in the existence of God or gods.") and dragging conversation down to an argument over terms instead of discussing the heart of the matter.
Until theists stop acting this way -- _until we have logical evidence of a god existing_ -- non-belief will continue to be the rational position. If you care about whether your beliefs are truth, and you can't present logical evidence, you should abandon belief.
Sure wish Joe Rogan would have someone like this on. I think Cliffe could hold his ground.
Humans evolved from a common ancestor.
Who said they evolved from rocks?
This is Cliff Knechtle telling kids he does not understand science or prefers Genesis as an explanation.
no sir some science books from old Time said basically we evolved from rocks you can watch Kevin hovind seminars he talkes about it.
@@benj766 That seems highly unlikely. Even a hundred years ago we knew better. Also, I would recommend you take everything that Hovind says with a truck-load of salt.
No textbooks ever in the history of textbooks have ever said that life came from rock. Kent's lying to you.
@@benj766 We evolved from a common primate ancestor. Kevin has no degree in science. He says he taught science in high school.
@@TheJohannes44 Hovind is a professional comedian who babbles nonsense to entertain his kid audience.
"Im sorry you dont have that option"
So much for free will!
you're free to pick which ever option you want
You didn't have the option to be born. God gave you life, so use this gift to glorify Him instead
Lol
So true 👍🍺🍺
@@r.k862
Prove the Christian God exists and I'll do whatever you think it wants
@@AJ-is7iv You missed the point. He doesnt want either of the options. Therefore his free will is violated. If I kidnap a woman and tell her to have sex with me or I can shoot her am I giving her a choice? Yes. Am I respecting her free will? No.
1 Corinthians 3:18-20
18 Let no man deceive himself. If any man among you seemeth to be wise in this world, let him become a fool, that he may be wise.
19 For the wisdom of this world is foolishness with God. For it is written: “He taketh the wise in their own craftiness”;
20 and again, “The Lord knoweth the thoughts of the wise, that they are vain.”
Prove it
It's so ridiculous listening to a preacher act like he can disprove something like abiogenesis and evolution!!!! He has no idea what he's talking about but since it undermines his superstitions he teaches against it!!!
Bro y’all can’t even prove evolution buddy it’s a theory. You take theories and believe them as fact come on now
@@johnnyrocket5548 it's been proven. The theory of evolution is seen in multiple fields where everything line up. It's has predictive capability that's helped us make new discoveries multiple times. Even religious scientists including Christian scientists admit that it's a fact. Your misusing the one theory I'm scientific terms. There is theory of gravity. Gravity is still a fact. That guy does not have the credentials to criticize the theory of evolution!
@@Jhart44 first of all science isn't a verb. And you did start out as a single cell called a zygote and then mitosis began and developed you into a person.
@@jrod-on2mz give me observable evidence of Darwin evolution a change of kinds something that i don’t have to receive by faith
@@jrod-on2mzgot real quiet in this bih.
Love
21:24 is a fantastic response
Amen, Brother !
These kids said society and the government gave them morals. Wow. What about before society or government did morals just not exist then?
Basically its impossible for an explosion to make rocks fall into a perfect position or order, and all constantly spinning around the sun. Its only possible with a superior intelligence. I believe many people just dont want to except that God is the obvious answer as being the almighty creator of everything. We can except or deny the overwhelming evidence that makes this most obvious answer to all life and creation.
You understand how gravity works right? Evolution does not refute the existence of a God, what it discusses is the development of life. If evolution was false it would not explain why some birds have vestigial claws or bird embryos have teeth.
Thank you!
I dare these people to take two college level chemistry and cellular/molecular biology classes and tell me that it’s not so incredibly complex that it could’ve just happened by accident. From the diversity and complexities of what we see, to the cell and all it’s components, to molecules and atoms and how they interact. There’s a specific function for every single thing on earth that has to work perfectly or it wouldn’t work at all.
I believe I could answer some questions if you have any. Not out of pride, but I can give a very simple answer to all life and creation. Ofcourse it does involve the truth from the Holy bible. But that does depend on if you want to here what I can answer.
You lack scientific understanding. Just because a certain thing has a function today does not mean it initially evolved with that function.
@@shreddedhominid1629 So we basically went from 1 celled organisms, somehow to multi-cellular, to apes with 30 IQ, to creating an ion bombs all from random chance and mutations which have a 0.01% chance of being positive for the creature? And all to not be able to create a living cell in the lab. Still. Makes a lot of sense. I'll take God any day
he who created the the rules of reality and can change them the way they were created. And he is not a affected by them so you can not prove him with the rules of reality. it is like jesus said don't test the LORD thy God his ways are above your ways. so obviously you can not even observe him to test him and you don't have the means to test him you don't have the understanding to do it. When you follow God's ways you will understand how to test him. For instance use scripture to see if God spoke everything in the existence. If everything is vibration and frequency then this is a clear sign . And creation declares God. And science says God is not real but they don't know were we come from. So the burden of proof is on science untill someone can demonstrate a full working model a grand unified theory of everything. God is on the throne
@obedbatchu thanks God bless you check the guide book for the elect tho its on a good channel
The arrogant cheerleader in the background. “you’re good.”
Any sincere seeker of truth will find Jesus because He is the Truth!
Aww the criteria for those who logically disagree with your claims so you can dismiss them
“The planet is perfectly designed for life”
LAUGHS IN 5 MASS EXTINCTION EVENTS!
Well why are we not extinct yet then?
@@rdkayyvalorant Humanity has come pretty damn close multiple times, disease outbreaks, famines, climate change and now with the added bonus of nuclear warheads. Shame God never explicitly mentioned those. Don’t forget all the animals that have gone extinct in recent and ancient history.
@@rdkayyvalorant Humanity has come pretty damn close multiple times, disease outbreaks, famines, climate change and now with the added bonus of nuclear warheads. Shame God never explicitly mentioned those. Don’t forget all the animals that have gone extinct in recent and ancient history.
@@rdkayyvalorant We have came close many times hell during the Cold War we almost destroyed ourselves by simply manipulating atoms.
Don’t forget the various outbreaks throughout history, and the animals that have not survived overhunting, habitat destruction, and climate change.
God or not every living thing is in a constant war against the elements and anti evolutionary creationists are gambling with humanity’s survival if they don’t realize this.
@@lorddevilfish5868 Is there something wrong with being anti-evolutionary? I personally think evolution is impossible based on how complex one single cell is, and how there are so many gaps in the theory, we went from single cellular to multi-cellular somehow then to animals, which are 100x more complicated, my question is: do you believe life can come from non life and something can come from nothing?
5:17 he says women were abusing the new freedom & dignity in Christ given to women. What were women doing back then to abuse said freedom & dignity?
When did cigarette smoking become culturally permissive in public settings again?
The comment on women need to wear a covering, it’s a reference to wear the covering of Christ. Like a marriage veil when you enter into the covenant with God.
The guy keep saying i dont like him so funny Cliffe have alot of knowledge these student are baffled Cliffe is just opening up the minds of these kids to think.
1 Corinthians 2:11
For what man knoweth the things of a man, save the spirit of man which is in him? Even so no man knoweth the things of God, but the Spirit of God.
Prove it
1:29 how is it that a nonbeliever talks about the right context but most western church pulls context from other things instead of the context that Paul uses? Thats shows you just how little the western church actually knows about the bible, and they are also trying to make the bible seem less offensive, because in reality the western church wants people to like them in an effort to get people to come to christ but they are leading people to a different christ. And these are just some of the western churches not all.
4:27 "women have less value than men" NOOOOOOOOO, they have different roles than men, men and women are equal in dignity, value and all that, but they have different roles in how they are to function in society, THAT IS WHAT THE BIBLE TEACHES my friend not that they are less in anyway
So glad you said it cuz it’s impossible from something to come from nothing, there’s always a creator.. So Atheism is null in void, I welcome a better argument
So can women preach in the church or not ? Just asking
Dat made me 😄, "dis guys good, I don't.like him, but he's good." Pastor Cliffe didn't find it funny but I did.
Pastor Cliffe gave d BEST answer I've eva heard to abortion due to rape. He said he'll PLEAD wit dem to not abort d child. I've seen so many believers give a non compassionate answer. He also gave d BEST answer to going to hell, he said, if u live ur life separate from God, y would u want to spend eternity with God in Heaven?