As someone who attempted suicide multiple times in my past, this was very very well done. I honestly hope that if someone watches their video that they get the help that they need🤘🏿🖤
@@nathandjohnny Thank you guys & I am in a much better place. It's just that this song is an emotional wrecking ball & you don't see that a lot in metal. At least not like this.
I personally lean toward Nath's side of this one, I don't enjoy over-the-top gore and violence, but this doesn't make me uncomfortable. I feel they displayed it fairly tastefully, where you're under no illusions, but it's not too over-bearing. Instead for me this is just over-whelmingly emotional and sad.
I do love over the top violence and gore in my video games and movies, but this hit me in a similar way to you. It's just so sad and gutwrenching. I could see myself having the same thoughts and feelings if I were in that man's shoes.
I'm with Johnny on this one. Anytime it's portrayed in a video or tv show, I feel uneasy and I also get weird feelings in my wrist when I see what the guy in the film clip did. Party People, if you haven't heard it today or ever, you matter
Definitely see both Nath's view of I don't like gore for the sake of gore, and Johnny's view that suicide is more uncomfortable. For me I think it hits closer to home, I've lost a few people to suicide and worked at a crisis line for a number of years. It just sits heavier I guess. Thanks for getting me into Lorna Shore and massive thank you for being open for this difficult conversation.
Yeah this video just hits differently. Everyone, in some way, has had to deal with suicide. Whether it was a friend, family member, or yourself, everyone has unfortunately experienced it. Me personally, mom and dad have tried 4 times, sister once, lost several friends to suicide. It's quite a touchy subject for me and many.
I absolutely love the dichotomy of the two of you...one was made uncomfortable by the emotional "realness" of suicide, while the other found comfort in the normality of something real as opposed to the audacity of horror films...made my day, love you guys ...
I had never really listened to Lorna Shore or watched any of their videos prior to hearing Pain Remains I. I got chills during both parts and I'm very curious to see what the final part will sound (and look) like. I feel that the self harm scenes were done very tastefully. They didn't show too much but they showed enough to convey the emotions the song and video are expressing. I lost my mom almost a year ago to cancer so watching both videos was emotional for me. I won't be surprised if part three is just as, if not more emotional to watch. Also wanna say huge, huge congrats to Lorna Shore for having (last I heard) a nearly completely sold out US headline tour as well coming up.
I think people who have been either at that point in their life or have been affected by it, brings up a heavy emotional response and it's confronting.
Great discussion boys, I think it’s so important, we’ve all personally had some experience and it’s great you have this platform and have the discussion! Much love homies
Yeah this is hard. I've lost so many, I've almost got lost in the shadows as well. I think everything they've done in the videos makes sense. Not there just to shock
In October 2015 I lost one of my best friends to his battle against depression and yeah... he died with 23 years and I still have our WhatsApp chat saved and stuff like that and I'm very honest: These two Lorna Shore songs got me f*cking cry and most of the time I'm always like that one dude who basically never cries but that really got me. I'm totally with you when it comes to the topic about suicide. Horror movies (as extreme as they get) still have that "camera team behind the corner" kinda feeling, since the overdosed violence often feels unreal, even during the fact that it also happens in reallife. But suicide with the sad "emotional component" always connected to it as Nath said, always feels so much more "real" - also because it's like always around us. I think everyone knows someone who had or has depression or even has these problems by himself. The whole topic is always there. Beside of that Lorna Shore made a really, really good job to transfer these exact emotions from that video to your heart... it's like a beautiful Deathcore ballad and a deep-dark drama at the same time - so, so good (and I mean now both songs combined, since it's like one story splitted in 3 parts at the end of the day).
Bit of a downer, but suicide isn't the way. Fortunately, I wasn't successful and got a second chance and I'm so grateful for it. I make so many amazing memories now and love things about my life. Things get better, even when it seems like there's no way it possibly can. You're never alone, don't be afraid to speak to someone. Love your reactions though Nath & Johnny. Definitely my favourite reaction channel on this platform. Keep up the great work :)
Im the same way I can watch almost any horror movie just fine, but its kind of "mindless violence" in those movies and not "real", but something like this is simply not the same, great review and amazing band/song
The video made me not want to listen to this song again, but after listening to the whole trilogy probly 30 times now this second song has become my favourite of the 3. Absolutely love the chorus
At this very day, at about this exact time, I first learned a thoroughly loved ex-GF of mine took her own life just a few days earlier. Oct. 6th is the day I want to get taken out of the calendar. But that won't ever be done. What probably CAN be done, is reaching more people by also including Wikipedia's List of suicide crisis lines, next to the National suicide prevention hotline. The URL is: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_suicide_crisis_lines
@@nathandjohnny I'm ok, not my best day obviously. Just felt the need to do whatever I can, so hence the URL. You guys have some audience, Lorna's got some audience & I truly believe lives may be saved, if they haven't been already
I find the "I-own-shares-in-Ketchup" end generally less confronting than more understated violence, just because it's usually so exaggerated from the sort of violence that is generally being portrayed (people I've seen run over haven't generally exploded gore in a 5km radius, there is footage of an American politician who held a press conference and shot himself which I personally found sad rather than repulsive). This trilogy though has sold me on the emotional arc of the character - in the song he's at his nadir, which the video portrays with the suicide attempt in the church.
Honestly, I was fine with the 'violence' much like Nath, I've had my own run ins with suicide, depression etc etc (much better now, that dark past is my PAST for a reason, thankfully), but on my first watch, I didn't really get shocked, and just like Nath, can't do horror/gore. Idk, I was just so entranced and 'connected' to the song that I didn't even notice it. Had me hook, line and sinker honestly.
A former girlfriend of mine almost accidentally took her own life this way. She cut herself during a difficult phase in order to feel something. She didn't necessarily want to kill herself, she simply didn't care if it could happen. One evening, a cut was higher and deeper than planned. She lost a lot of blood, but survived. Today she is no longer part of my life, because I could no longer deal with her psychological suffering and slid further and further down the slope myself. I really tried and did everything, but sometimes there are still feelings of guilt. It's hard to watch this, but this song and its message kinda helps. For a brief moment I understand what went on in her head.
Not get it flagged but I feel like when you listen to him at the end I agree it’s hard to look but they way he’s does that “ DISENTTAGRAAAAT” and goes into the chorus again you feel it’s I wana use the word finalize the dude in the story is just like no I’m done but yeah this hurts a lot but it’s beautiful
the final part of the trilogy is over 9 minutes long, so we won't be getting a shorter song, but i do think based on the title "In A Sea of Fire", it will be sonically heavier than the first two songs, but still as emotionally heavy. any kind of blood/gore makes me uncomfortable, and while the music video is hard to watch, it needed to done. i wish youtube didn't age restrict it..that's their solution to everything. while i'm glad youtube finally included a trigger warning, struggling with mental health isn't specific to age.
Lorna Shore have never been a group I can get behind. I find it difficult to truly pick out the beauty in what I hear. It starts to feel like all the songs sound the same. The song does tell a good story though. It’s difficult to watch. Haven’t felt like that since Sleeps’ ‘Eye To Eye’. I actually went to see Parkway and Sleeps last weekend, and Lorna opened. Admittedly, they sound identical live to their recordings - which is a huge compliment for the singer.
As someone who attempted suicide multiple times in my past, this was very very well done. I honestly hope that if someone watches their video that they get the help that they need🤘🏿🖤
We sincerely hope you’re in a healthier place mate
@@nathandjohnny Thank you guys & I am in a much better place. It's just that this song is an emotional wrecking ball & you don't see that a lot in metal. At least not like this.
I personally lean toward Nath's side of this one, I don't enjoy over-the-top gore and violence, but this doesn't make me uncomfortable. I feel they displayed it fairly tastefully, where you're under no illusions, but it's not too over-bearing. Instead for me this is just over-whelmingly emotional and sad.
I do love over the top violence and gore in my video games and movies, but this hit me in a similar way to you. It's just so sad and gutwrenching. I could see myself having the same thoughts and feelings if I were in that man's shoes.
this one starts out with much black metal vibes . 90s style riff awesome
I'm with Johnny on this one. Anytime it's portrayed in a video or tv show, I feel uneasy and I also get weird feelings in my wrist when I see what the guy in the film clip did.
Party People, if you haven't heard it today or ever, you matter
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They've been taking the world of metal by storm. Will has taken this band to a whole new level.
Johnny mentioned how the 3rd part will sound. Well Johnny, you will find out in 8 days because the 3rd part comes out the same day the album drops🤘🏿🖤
Definitely see both Nath's view of I don't like gore for the sake of gore, and Johnny's view that suicide is more uncomfortable. For me I think it hits closer to home, I've lost a few people to suicide and worked at a crisis line for a number of years. It just sits heavier I guess.
Thanks for getting me into Lorna Shore and massive thank you for being open for this difficult conversation.
Our pleasure and we hope you’re doing ok!
Yeah this video just hits differently. Everyone, in some way, has had to deal with suicide. Whether it was a friend, family member, or yourself, everyone has unfortunately experienced it. Me personally, mom and dad have tried 4 times, sister once, lost several friends to suicide. It's quite a touchy subject for me and many.
Sorry to hear about that 😞
I absolutely love the dichotomy of the two of you...one was made uncomfortable by the emotional "realness" of suicide, while the other found comfort in the normality of something real as opposed to the audacity of horror films...made my day, love you guys ...
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Its direct and its no bullshit. Love it. So emotionally pin pointed. ❤️☹️🤘🏾
I had never really listened to Lorna Shore or watched any of their videos prior to hearing Pain Remains I. I got chills during both parts and I'm very curious to see what the final part will sound (and look) like. I feel that the self harm scenes were done very tastefully. They didn't show too much but they showed enough to convey the emotions the song and video are expressing. I lost my mom almost a year ago to cancer so watching both videos was emotional for me. I won't be surprised if part three is just as, if not more emotional to watch.
Also wanna say huge, huge congrats to Lorna Shore for having (last I heard) a nearly completely sold out US headline tour as well coming up.
We will find out what the 3rd part sounds like in 8 days. They're releasing the 3rd part to coincide with the release of the album
I think people who have been either at that point in their life or have been affected by it, brings up a heavy emotional response and it's confronting.
Great discussion boys, I think it’s so important, we’ve all personally had some experience and it’s great you have this platform and have the discussion!
Much love homies
Back at you mate!
I knew that this visual was coming. A part of the lyrics in the first part was a world without you isn't meant for me.
Yeah this is hard. I've lost so many, I've almost got lost in the shadows as well.
I think everything they've done in the videos makes sense. Not there just to shock
In October 2015 I lost one of my best friends to his battle against depression and yeah... he died with 23 years and I still have our WhatsApp chat saved and stuff like that and I'm very honest: These two Lorna Shore songs got me f*cking cry and most of the time I'm always like that one dude who basically never cries but that really got me. I'm totally with you when it comes to the topic about suicide. Horror movies (as extreme as they get) still have that "camera team behind the corner" kinda feeling, since the overdosed violence often feels unreal, even during the fact that it also happens in reallife. But suicide with the sad "emotional component" always connected to it as Nath said, always feels so much more "real" - also because it's like always around us. I think everyone knows someone who had or has depression or even has these problems by himself. The whole topic is always there. Beside of that Lorna Shore made a really, really good job to transfer these exact emotions from that video to your heart... it's like a beautiful Deathcore ballad and a deep-dark drama at the same time - so, so good (and I mean now both songs combined, since it's like one story splitted in 3 parts at the end of the day).
Sorry for your loss buddy 💙
@@nathandjohnny
Bit of a downer, but suicide isn't the way. Fortunately, I wasn't successful and got a second chance and I'm so grateful for it. I make so many amazing memories now and love things about my life.
Things get better, even when it seems like there's no way it possibly can.
You're never alone, don't be afraid to speak to someone.
Love your reactions though Nath & Johnny. Definitely my favourite reaction channel on this platform. Keep up the great work :)
Thanks for being here mate and glad to hear you got through that tough time.
@@nathandjohnnyI appreciate you guys ❤️
Im the same way I can watch almost any horror movie just fine, but its kind of "mindless violence" in those movies and not "real", but something like this is simply not the same, great review and amazing band/song
The video made me not want to listen to this song again, but after listening to the whole trilogy probly 30 times now this second song has become my favourite of the 3. Absolutely love the chorus
It definitely hits me differently then like hard core gore
At this very day, at about this exact time, I first learned a thoroughly loved ex-GF of mine took her own life just a few days earlier. Oct. 6th is the day I want to get taken out of the calendar. But that won't ever be done. What probably CAN be done, is reaching more people by also including Wikipedia's List of suicide crisis lines, next to the National suicide prevention hotline. The URL is: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_suicide_crisis_lines
Really sorry to hear that mate. We are here for you ❤️
Hope you’re doing ok
@@nathandjohnny I'm ok, not my best day obviously. Just felt the need to do whatever I can, so hence the URL. You guys have some audience, Lorna's got some audience & I truly believe lives may be saved, if they haven't been already
It’s not shorter. Part 3 is over 9 minutes long lol
I find the "I-own-shares-in-Ketchup" end generally less confronting than more understated violence, just because it's usually so exaggerated from the sort of violence that is generally being portrayed (people I've seen run over haven't generally exploded gore in a 5km radius, there is footage of an American politician who held a press conference and shot himself which I personally found sad rather than repulsive).
This trilogy though has sold me on the emotional arc of the character - in the song he's at his nadir, which the video portrays with the suicide attempt in the church.
I feel that with the cutting, I can watch gore and shit no issue. But everytime I watch it, it makes be feels weird af.
Honestly, I was fine with the 'violence' much like Nath, I've had my own run ins with suicide, depression etc etc (much better now, that dark past is my PAST for a reason, thankfully), but on my first watch, I didn't really get shocked, and just like Nath, can't do horror/gore. Idk, I was just so entranced and 'connected' to the song that I didn't even notice it. Had me hook, line and sinker honestly.
Im with Nath with feeling uneasy about the visuals. Not because it’s over the top but because it is tame and grounded.
A former girlfriend of mine almost accidentally took her own life this way. She cut herself during a difficult phase in order to feel something. She didn't necessarily want to kill herself, she simply didn't care if it could happen. One evening, a cut was higher and deeper than planned. She lost a lot of blood, but survived. Today she is no longer part of my life, because I could no longer deal with her psychological suffering and slid further and further down the slope myself. I really tried and did everything, but sometimes there are still feelings of guilt.
It's hard to watch this, but this song and its message kinda helps. For a brief moment I understand what went on in her head.
Sorry to hear what you both went through and hope you’ve both found some happiness and healing
@@nathandjohnny Thank you for the kind words, thank you for your content! 🤟
as a drummer how do you blast that fast and as a guitarist how do you solo over that, so much talent it's disgusting
Not get it flagged but I feel like when you listen to him at the end I agree it’s hard to look but they way he’s does that “ DISENTTAGRAAAAT” and goes into the chorus again you feel it’s I wana use the word finalize the dude in the story is just like no I’m done but yeah this hurts a lot but it’s beautiful
just letitn yall know the 3rd part is 9minutes long lmao
the final part of the trilogy is over 9 minutes long, so we won't be getting a shorter song, but i do think based on the title "In A Sea of Fire", it will be sonically heavier than the first two songs, but still as emotionally heavy. any kind of blood/gore makes me uncomfortable, and while the music video is hard to watch, it needed to done. i wish youtube didn't age restrict it..that's their solution to everything. while i'm glad youtube finally included a trigger warning, struggling with mental health isn't specific to age.
I wouldn’t say part 3 is heavier. If anything towards the end it’s less heavy. Some real heavy moments though
Nath can you send me your workout routine?
Im definitely on Johnny's side of the Gore argument lol this is much harder for me to watch
That riff is nasty
Monolithic Trilogy
Lorna Shore have never been a group I can get behind. I find it difficult to truly pick out the beauty in what I hear. It starts to feel like all the songs sound the same.
The song does tell a good story though. It’s difficult to watch. Haven’t felt like that since Sleeps’ ‘Eye To Eye’.
I actually went to see Parkway and Sleeps last weekend, and Lorna opened. Admittedly, they sound identical live to their recordings - which is a huge compliment for the singer.
Idk how anyone enjoys these guys anymore, every song is literally the same