i mna Malay....i was moulded by my late father to appreciate and learn languages....like himnand his 11 siblings....i am able to speak eng, bahasa melayu...perak and penang accent, kantonis and tamil..... i am thankful to him for his very positive upbringing
Tapi majoriti orang Melayu tak peduli pun cara pandang sebenar orang cina dan India. Majoriti orang Melayu cuma peduli apa yang diorang sangka pasal orang Cina dan India.
so change then for the better . u have to understand that as a a malay person , yall are the majority and nothing will change that , we are not “pendatangs” or immigrants that r trying to run yall over . i hear stories from my dad back in the days of all races getting together in the kampung , celebrating festivals together , and speaking each others languages. but instead now politicians sway yall with divide and conquer , creating a huge social disorder in social media nowadays , where people are blatantly ruining their own future without themselves seeing . if a country ultimately is happy and have good social cohesion , we are more inclined to perform better holistically and as a whole .
27:55 "Malays need to be stronger" Correct! Like I don't have Masters but I'm looking for ways to attain that. Nowadays, there's things like APEL which helps working people get a diploma and degree. Malay people need to understand, just because you're thirty with no tertiary education doesn't mean you can't upskill. There's also a boom of shorter more intensive courses like coding bootcamps and stuff like that.
Dude the grab handbag paranoia is actually common amongst us ladies 😂😂. Im Malay but I would also make sure the handbag on chair is secure. No matter WHO passes by.
@B3nn1b dude, the oppression only exists if you allow it. I've felt triggered many times, but either I let it go ( like that little girl) or I put it down in words. Socmed platforms help to destress. It doesn't really affect my day to day with all races. In fact, I enjoy the friendliness of all races on a day to day basis
That's the thing, they complain so much about Chinese racesm, which I can get , but they still seek Chinese women approval, and Chinese family approval , also Chinese business approval for jobs and money. Which to me, I don't get, if their people or Malays are so much better, why not seek approval from them instead? For anyone who believes actions speak louder than words, the only logical conclusion is they still think the Chinese are their best option.
Great podcast guys. Get a malay to balance the team to get Malay perspective on certain things to bridge and close the gap among multi-racial Malaysians.
As a banana i relate most to the language. But i usually dont consider those people who suddenly swap to mandarin and didnt bother to try to translate for me as friends. I also use the same line "when did u said to do that?" " when have u mentioned that?" Knowing full well that they did but it was in mandarin as they choose to ignore me
I am Malaysian born Chinese. But I don't consider myself as a banana because I know Cantonese and Hockien. Who comes up with the terms banana ? We are Malaysian born Chinese is not Chinese nationals. I don't look down or look high of mandarin educated people in Malaysia. For me I prefer to call myself as a Malaysian than Chinese.
As a Chinese Singaporean, I have to apologise for being judgemental. However, I hope you know that being judgemental also means we are our own harshest judge. Thus we are more cruel to ourselves than we are to others. Kindness to ourselves and others is never enough. I love your honesty. Peace ✌️
SPOT ON. Many Chinese really judgemental, very fast too and they don't accept different POV. Actually not much different from another race where once you touch on their religious, they defense blindly even morally is wrong. Try say something about SJKC and you will know
That’s assumption, we have plenty of gays in Indian and Malay community. Malaysians are not evil. We do judge but we don’t go out of our way to make their life miserable.
@@sagan08 Also this channel keep deleting my comments even though there are absolutely no harassment at all, they probably only allow racism and no fight back
@@sagan08 Thailand and Indonesia have almost 95% assimilation, so they have their own problems. They have their colour revolution, marijuana is now being sold in schools, etc. "Lack of assimilation" is a feature. Malaysia is the only country who has this feature. Ask any Westerners or East Asian who have relocated and immigrated here, they would mention cultural diversity as one of the primary reasons of why Malaysia and not rest of the SEA.
i dont think i have the time to go through your whole discourse, but this is what it takes to create understanding between us.. just sitting together and talk about these painful issues and try to reach understanding..
I like Malaysia in 70s and 80s ..it seems look more muhibbah amongst all races, our fathers and grandpas together with neighbours together team up in the gotong royong and rukuntetangga..its splendid national spirit.. really miss those days..
Interesting podcast bros. Haha. Malays are the same. My view is that malays have trust issues at some Chinese because of the egos, politics and looking down on other races (not all but you can tell based on response or body language p/s not all coz majority of my colleague are awesome). I did not see this from my chinese friends who attended Sekolah Kebangsaan. Hoping we can break the barrier and make this country a better place.
Thats why we all need to go to just one school. Learn about each other and hash it out while we're young. Thats how we can start to make this country a better place...together.
44:09 As someone who lives in Penang Island and Mainland, those who cannot speak BM are mostly islanders. It's a regional thing, isn't it? More bandar, more atas, more English/Chinese speaker only. Cina luar bandar mostly prefers the Chinese language or BM. Only those in bandar feel like they are too cool for BM (including Malays). But it also depends on what your parents speak to you at home and what you consume day to day. It happens consciously and unconsciously.
Hmm..but you do realised that most people who speak Chinese can't speak BM well. In fact those English speakers speaks better BM at least in my experience of KL area. Not sure of Penang though. 😅
English is standardised in the US as well. But you chose to ignore. All African American need to speak English, Mexican, red Indian, koreans, japanese, all has to speak english in the US. Unified language doesn't just happened in Chinese country, my friend.
@@jaxkk1119 Well, for them, It's not about practicality, they don't even register that as a legit argument. In fact, what you said actually annoys them that you can get by. They'd rather you not get by. Their whole thing on this is "This is my country, I own it , so you do what I tell you to do"
Yes. Benda yg paling menyedihkan adalah bila warga Malaysia cakap what's so important about Malay language. Yes, we have our own problem with the government. Tapi ia tidak patut buat awak langsung benci kepada org melayu. Ia tidak sepatut berlaku, bila you benci govt, you gi benci org melayu. Seriously, Chinese community needs to be educated more about the Malay culture. Thier silat, rumah tinggi in the kampung, try to hold a keris, dress baju kebaya Malay culture sangat Kaya dan cantik, dan patut diajar kepada semua anak2 kita.
@@low3327I feel the same. Sedih bila ada Malaysian yang fikir BM tak penting. Yang lebih menyedihkan lagi bila mereka ni bangga tidak boleh berbahasa melayu. Bagi saya orang yang berfikiran seperti ini ialah orang-orang yang hidup dalam bubble. They don't want to mingle with other Malaysian.
@@LimeAndLemon-g2p wife I pun ada fikiran sama. Sbb mereka Belum pernah betul2 berkawan dgn org melayu I start terjatuh hati dgn komuniti melayu time I form6. Tambah dgn kenangan di plkn. Then I started to realised, Malay is not only about mat rempit and pak lebai, Malay itself is complex. Not all Malay is islamic control freak trying to teach how ppl should do their attire dll.. tp selagi kami isolated dlm komuniti sendiri, selagi itu org politik ada peluang untuk menghasut. Baik Pas, baik BN, baik umno Negara kita xboleh fokus on the real matter and struggles we need to face, sbb org kita senang ditarik dgn mindset racial. Kita semua nak tanah air ni jadi elok, jadi maju. Yg ni kena ada pendapat yg betul2 sepakat dlm kalangan kita.
Maybe I’m being too judgmental? This group, especially the Chinese with glasses, clearly comes from fortunate, educated, and possibly wealthy backgrounds. The comment, 'You are older than the country, why can't you speak BM?' shows a lack of understanding about the illiteracy challenges faced by many in the older generation (baby boomers or older). While it might be valid to critique those born in the 1980s or later, such a statement fails to acknowledge the difficulties faced by previous generations. Consider that during that time, education was not free. Imagine the challenge of supporting and educating ten siblings; it’s not surprising that many couldn’t achieve literacy in the national language. Furthermore, many Chinese converted to other religions due to the influence of English-medium schools, which is why many English-educated individuals belong to those religions. Do your homework. Understanding the experiences and upbringing of our elders is crucial for grasping our nation's history. This awareness ensures that our comments reflect genuine insight rather than ignorance.
Explain how Bangladeshis, who are also impoverished, can speak basic BM within months, but someone who has been here for decades(their parents too), cannot.
@@Mjganny Your question is a false premise. How many skilled Bangladeshi workers have you met and talked to? I doubt you’ve worked or collaborated with them before. It seems you may not fully understand how communication with them works. Please avoid looking down on foreign workers or making statements without verifying the facts. One important question to consider is: who teaches them BM? Regarding the previous comment about critiquing those born in the 1980s or later, I agree that some Malaysians may not make an effort to speak in BM. However, for context, 9,306 students, or 7.8%, failed BM in the SPM 2023 exams, and the failure rate was even lower in 1998. This indicates that most students do understand BM or can speak it to some extent. If someone doesn’t understand BM, how can they effectively study other subjects? Comments like these can come across as ignorant and arrogant. For further details, you can refer to these sources: MRSM Jasin Results: mrsmjasin.tripod.com/mrsmj--azi4f.html Malaysia’s Hopes of Becoming High-Tech Nation Still Distant Amid High Failure Rate in Maths: www.malaysianow.com/news/2024/06/20/malaysias-hopes-of-becoming-high-tech-nation-still-distant-amid-high-failure-rate-in-maths#:~ =Last%20year%2C%20373%2C255%20students%20sat,lowest%20failure%20rate%20at%209%2C306
My turn to ask: Is there anything wrong with choosing to use the language they believe will benefit them more? I think it’s the same reason you are English-educated. Ask those who use BM, what language they use to search on Google.
@@mastersomf ok so you can’t show it’s a false premise and want to avoid the question. Who is debating about which language benefits themselves more? Was that my point? Or do you need to rewatch the video again to refresh your memory?
Thank you for providing this ' safe platform' and I just want to destress from experience. Racism ie superiority complex, is true to some. I was in a lift with a little girl and her parents once. I smiled at the girl and said hello. She answered 'I dont like Malays. They are bad people'. Obviously her parents led her to that. I was too stunned to say anythg
The Chinese in Malaysia was subjected to racist apartheid mahatir bullshit. So what do you expect. For action there is a natural reaction. You should take this into account. And stop persecuting the majority of chinese People. I am vv sure there are plenty of racial slurs made by other non chinese Malaysians. On chinese. Please be balanced . Talk about racist other non chinese mslasian racism on chinese. And you don t dare. Because chinese always easy scape goat.
"Spirit of reunion" basically a bunch of people that do not give one fuck about each other forced to be together, and waste their time with their faces on the phone, dying for the time to pass as fast as possible, so they can leave.
The answer is ONE exceptional school system be a luxury afforded to ALL, not just the few, regardless of race. religion blah blah blah. ONE school system that do not segregate us, but unify us. ONE school system that gives equitable, exemplary educational shared experience for ALL. ONE school system that gives equal future opportunities for ALL. ONE schools system that binds us together so that we can forge a desired Malaysian identity together. ONE school system that sows and nurtures the idea of love for countrymen and service of country. ONE school system that can make us ALL proud.
Btw this channel got it wrong that "Singapore is fully English", it's from outside see-in only. Actually in SG the top level people mostly Mandarin speakers. Haidilao boss, Shopee boss, top movie director Jack Neo, top artistes Fann Wong, Nippon paint CEO, popiah billionaire, billionaire Peter Lim, top singer Stephanie Sun Yan Zi, all are Mandarinphone - - - - Singapore's "English-level" is perpertuated from the government/civil service level to school only. The middle-high business level standard English belong to one tier lower (except GLC). The Singlish average one is lower standing. Safe to say the billionaire level in SG is still overrepresented with Mandarin speakers (but not unlike the Robert Kuok / Li Ka Shing vibe)
@@Mjganny Yes not the ministers. The popiah king, the nippon paint CEO, the Haidilao people are 50-million/100-million millionaire to billionaire levels. The artistes may not necessary lose ministers. Stephanie Sun, JJ Lin for example has more influence than ministers. Even Jack Neo would be on par with any ordinary ministers but below the Prime Minister
@@Mjganny The scale of SG and MY may be different, because your Robert Kuok and Vincent Tan see Sultan and all, they still need to "Daulat Tuanku" or something. Nothing of this sort in SG. So effectively the billionaires, 50 million millionaires or even the bank CEOS are by default, higher than ministers. I would say that the PM higher than bank CEO, but still below the billionaires.
@@Mjganny Nope, if you are billionaire you got more power than SG PM actually, all it takes is a few million and you can field entire 88 seats to compete easily, put some more marketing, even the billionaires-created party can become government. But if you are Malaysian you will not understand because different context, Malaysia got all those Datuk, Tunku that Malaysians think is big, in Singapore we don't have all these. Billionaires in Malaysia usually Chinese Malaysian, but still no power, always beneath the Tuanku and all. Not the same for SG
Lol... please go to France... to the Metro.... it’s just so happened you met nice French people. I have encountered not nice experience in France when they are NOT happy when you asked them in English...then one of my friend scolded them in B.M.. and she’s was so helpful ... so I guess it’s up to each persons experience.
This is more to personal perspective based on their life experiences and historical knowledge. Nothing to agree or disagree. Just give your ears to listen.
Honestly, I don't think its an issue if an elderly/someone is unable to speak malay properly as everyone has their own different situations and preferances. its just like how some chinese is unable to speak any chinese dialects, malay that speaks english better than bahasa, etc. I don't feel there's a need to be too over judgemental on others in capability/disabilities/etc and instead help each other out instead. Each of you complained about issues and I feel some of you are doing the same in this podcast so it feels weird to me listening through you guys getting unhappy and barraging others. Also, not everything is specific to certain races as everyone grows up in similar environment may gets brainwashed by similar thing. There are cases where immigrants from Bangladesh and others came to Malaysia and do bad things like robbery and understandably it feels annoying. I don't support their actions but I do think its understandable if think it in a different point of view.
My comment kena potong wei. Let me articulate a better statement. This is a discussion that I am passionate about in my everyday life. I will always take the opportunity to deliver a scathing invective against the Chinese diaspora in Malaysia due to being a Chinese myself and enduring the ebbs and flows throughout the years.
Try to pursue an Indian or Malay girl or try to join an Indian or Malay company and see how "open" they are. Now, I'm not tryna imply it's worse, but in my view, none of the 3 races have any right to say they're better than one another.
I think what it is is the Malaysian Chinese have the most goodies, they have the most money, desirable women that everyone wants, so it creates a greater sense of injustice when you are denied entry into the Chinese candy store. Whereas the candy store of Malays or Indians, are equally if not more locked off, but it doesn't really bother you cuz the sweets aren't as sweet. But to me, the gatekeepiness of the Chinese I don't feel differs significantly from other races to warrant singling them out.
At the root of this is the attitude of we are never wrong, a superiority complex intertwined with inferiority complex, example in any conversation discussing this topic the comments will fill up predominantly defending every aspect, especially when it comes to discrimination in hiring at the workplace and in business
49:05 just to clarify there is a word for sarcasm - 讽刺 or 嘲讽 Anyways really agree with the points about being kiasu and insecure, been through Chinese education and it’s not a good time in my life 😂
some points are true, but some points i dont agree with, sarcasm and humour is definitely alive in Chinese but you need to be good in mandarin. Mandarin stand up scene is definitely improving, with BBK channel taking the lead and non of the low effort black guy turned white guy stuff. but overall i think its more of a Malaysia tribalism thing, there are lots of stuff that you mentioned on Chinese also happen in Malay and Indian community, you just have to be in the rural Malay or Indian majority area. The insecurity thing is the same as Malay's insecurity with non Malays taking over, is it rational ? not entirely, but many are not willing to trust the other side to give a chance.
I would say all of the points are accurate, however what is misguided is the characterization that it happens only or mainly with the Chinese. Malays have bumi rites, Indians have caste system, both of which are strong evidence of self-supremacy as well.
i think things are changing in terms of sarcastic humour, but I don't think its as widely revered among Chinese people. People think its rude. Tribalism is true, though I believe the Chinese up the intensity. Not easy to find Malays who feel they are superior to other races, yet Chinese people feel that all the time.
@@chriIIe Don't understand your comparison. Bumi rights are an admission of lack by Malays and is a form of protection. The caste system applies largely to people within India. One is defensive in nature, the other is internal. We are discussing about how the outside(and inside) world feels about Chinese people generally. Accusations of things like arrogance for Malays and Indians from the outside world is a lot less intense than for Chinese.
In a hypothetical scenario where Malays one day match or exceed the wealth of Chinese, does anyone truly believe that they will have the maturity within themselves to abolish those privileges? In highly multicultural Chinese states such as Hong Kong or Singapore , the Chinese have demonstrated maturity to respect equal rights for all races , Indians or Malays have no such track record of that. Colorism in India, a feature of the caste system, is way more severe than Chinese on Indian discrimination, it escalates to verbal and physical abuse, which the Chinese for all their ills , the worst case scenario is avoidance of Indians. Accusations are always highest in the highest of the socio-economic ladder, and it happens that the Chinese are the highest rung in this region at least, but race, while it correlates with wealth, is not the cause. That's what I believe, I'm not here to convert you if you don't agree.
@@chriIIe When the time comes, we will see if Malays will behave differently. But based on the available evidence, which is what matters, they do not display the same sense of superiority as the Malaysian Chinese. For HK and SG, they are different because of their heavier Western influence. They've allowed outside influences to control their historical tendencies. SG in the early days went against the wish of making Mandarin the national language by the Chinese Chamber of Commerce. Regardless, as you might've noticed, this video is specific to Malaysian Chinese people. So your points about Chinese people outside of Malaysia or other countries like India is not relevant to the discussion.
He failed to realised why he got looked down is because he cant speak his own language. Thats all If he is malay or indian, that would be different case. Simple theory he cannot brain it out.
@@ellllgie why not? if they think older people should know bahasa, why cant he a modern educated chinese be able to speak his mother tongue? such a double standard and biased take
@@katkat2673 Says who?? Please rewatch the video again. I think you misunderstood them. They are saying that people have misconceptions till today and not knowing that people come from different family background and history la...
@@katkat2673 imagine not being able to speak one of the easiest languages and still not speak it despite living here more than decade. such embarrassment
Speaking of comedy I dont think any races in Asia region is funny. You only think a joke is funny when it is relatable. If you are not well verse of others' culture, the way they conduct. Mostly likely you won't get the joke.
@ismailmuhamed4601 brother,susah la mcm ni 🤣 jgn reject i hahaha...so i said my mom chinese muslim kan,is because she was adopted by malays when she was young...so i grew up in a malay household ...even though both of them aren't malay but i grew up with my grandparents on mom side...
Generational PTSD being reinforced within the family tree a contributory factor, to add context to this discussion. Also cultural narcissism is in play.
Sarcasm in mandarin is called 讽刺. Chinese are judgemental is correct, we are always trying to assume things. I think generation with age 30+ 40+ nowadays are trying to change somehow, Coz we were taught by our parents in this way (judging things by race😂) and we feel its incorrect. Luckily my mom and dad in age 70+ can talk and listen to bahasa.
In the same spirit, you guys do a Malay version too 😊 I say bad things about the "Malay" people too. Prof Tajuddin Rasdi would be a great contributor. In context, I am half Chinese and half Malay, so both sides deserves equal bashing sometimes 😝
Egg farts doesn't specifically a Chinese problem, it's everybody's problem but Chinese do eat a lot of eggs. Secondly, I feel that some Chinese isolated themselves from the rest of us, some even uncomfortable to walk around in malay area pasar malam.
@@jaxkk1119 I'm malay and my friend is mixed Chinese, so we used to hangout with Chinese girls, go to pasar malam around KL and pj area. I'm ok with going to taman connaught or taman sea pasar malam even though I can't eat anything there, but when we go to malay area pasar malam, some of the girls were visibly uncomfortable. So, I don't say all Chinese but some, speaking from my experience. Malays usually don't visit Chinese pasar malam because of halal food problem, not because we don't like Chinese or anything but some Chinese especially from vernacular schools are afraid to mix with malays, I don't know why. Just my observations.
@@sagan08 I don't think it's superiority complex , it's natural if you prefer to be with the same race, everybody is doing it, it's called the clan mentality, but their clan mentality is a notch stronger than the rest of us.
Kenapa eea orang cina bila oder makan lokek nak bagi tip pada rider.....rumah besar ....tapi tak bagi tip seringgit ke dua ringgit...hantar hujan2 pun tak bagi tip...
@@bungalawang1960 ramai yang bagi tip orang melayu...kecuali kau lah...aku pernah dapat tip 50 ringgit budak melayu bagi rumah dia rumah flet murah je.....tapi kalu melayu yang tak bagi tip tu melayu yang kaya.....rumah besar...siap ada guard lagi...
I find it double standard to judge the older generations of not being able to speak bahasa, when clearly you guys as a modern educated and privilledged youngsters cant even speak in your mother tongue, and barely understand the culture. Guess the only thing right in the podcast were Chinese being judgmental.
as a matter of fact, typical Malaysian culture. You no need to play with racial card. Playing with racial card doesn't makes you a better Malaysian..lol..😂😂😂😂😂😂😂..
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i mna Malay....i was moulded by my late father to appreciate and learn languages....like himnand his 11 siblings....i am able to speak eng, bahasa melayu...perak and penang accent, kantonis and tamil.....
i am thankful to him for his very positive upbringing
Sebagai orang Melayu, Podcast ni beri banyak perpspektif lain dari sudut pandang dan apa yang di alami oleh orang Cina dan India.
Apa yang mereka bicarakan bukannya orang Cina dan India, tetapi orang Cina dan India yang telah distereotaip.
Tapi majoriti orang Melayu tak peduli pun cara pandang sebenar orang cina dan India. Majoriti orang Melayu cuma peduli apa yang diorang sangka pasal orang Cina dan India.
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so change then for the better . u have to understand that as a a malay person , yall are the majority and nothing will change that , we are not “pendatangs” or immigrants that r trying to run yall over . i hear stories from my dad back in the days of all races getting together in the kampung , celebrating festivals together , and speaking each others languages. but instead now politicians sway yall with divide and conquer , creating a huge social disorder in social media nowadays , where people are blatantly ruining their own future without themselves seeing . if a country ultimately is happy and have good social cohesion , we are more inclined to perform better holistically and as a whole .
This video is a great example of how everyone is living in their own world. Just because you don't encounter them doesn't mean they don't exist.
27:55 "Malays need to be stronger" Correct! Like I don't have Masters but I'm looking for ways to attain that. Nowadays, there's things like APEL which helps working people get a diploma and degree. Malay people need to understand, just because you're thirty with no tertiary education doesn't mean you can't upskill. There's also a boom of shorter more intensive courses like coding bootcamps and stuff like that.
Chinese are not top of the world eventhough some of them are judgemental because they felt neglected in the country.
Dude the grab handbag paranoia is actually common amongst us ladies 😂😂. Im Malay but I would also make sure the handbag on chair is secure. No matter WHO passes by.
Agree. I don't even leave my bag on chair or table nowadays. Paranoid 😅
For real. You can't even trust other women or even kids. They could be working with a syndicate or gang.
But when you feel so oppressed by a certain race, even the smallest, harmless things are enough to trigger you.
@B3nn1b dude, the oppression only exists if you allow it. I've felt triggered many times, but either I let it go ( like that little girl) or I put it down in words. Socmed platforms help to destress. It doesn't really affect my day to day with all races. In fact, I enjoy the friendliness of all races on a day to day basis
That's the thing, they complain so much about Chinese racesm, which I can get , but they still seek Chinese women approval, and Chinese family approval , also Chinese business approval for jobs and money. Which to me, I don't get, if their people or Malays are so much better, why not seek approval from them instead? For anyone who believes actions speak louder than words, the only logical conclusion is they still think the Chinese are their best option.
Great podcast guys. Get a malay to balance the team to get Malay perspective on certain things to bridge and close the gap among multi-racial Malaysians.
As a banana i relate most to the language. But i usually dont consider those people who suddenly swap to mandarin and didnt bother to try to translate for me as friends.
I also use the same line "when did u said to do that?" " when have u mentioned that?" Knowing full well that they did but it was in mandarin as they choose to ignore me
Nice tip. Better yet if you purposely misunderstand them.
I am Malaysian born Chinese. But I don't consider myself as a banana because I know Cantonese and Hockien. Who comes up with the terms banana ? We are Malaysian born Chinese is not Chinese nationals. I don't look down or look high of mandarin educated people in Malaysia. For me I prefer to call myself as a Malaysian than Chinese.
@@louong93yah same
As a Chinese Singaporean, I have to apologise for being judgemental. However, I hope you know that being judgemental also means we are our own harshest judge. Thus we are more cruel to ourselves than we are to others. Kindness to ourselves and others is never enough. I love your honesty. Peace ✌️
As a chinese, this is very true
I like Indian, Malay men and Chinese. Malaysia is such a nice diverse country
SPOT ON. Many Chinese really judgemental, very fast too and they don't accept different POV. Actually not much different from another race where once you touch on their religious, they defense blindly even morally is wrong. Try say something about SJKC and you will know
What's wrong with SJKC?
That’s assumption, we have plenty of gays in Indian and Malay community. Malaysians are not evil. We do judge but we don’t go out of our way to make their life miserable.
@@jaxkk1119 Lack of assimilation is the problem.
@@sagan08 Also this channel keep deleting my comments even though there are absolutely no harassment at all, they probably only allow racism and no fight back
@@sagan08 Thailand and Indonesia have almost 95% assimilation, so they have their own problems. They have their colour revolution, marijuana is now being sold in schools, etc. "Lack of assimilation" is a feature. Malaysia is the only country who has this feature. Ask any Westerners or East Asian who have relocated and immigrated here, they would mention cultural diversity as one of the primary reasons of why Malaysia and not rest of the SEA.
This should be posted on r/Malaysia
help us !
i dont think i have the time to go through your whole discourse, but this is what it takes to create understanding between us.. just sitting together and talk about these painful issues and try to reach understanding..
Except that they need to assimilate and bond at an earlier age...much earlier. So that they dont go through these painful issues later in life.
Tradition is a solution to a problem that we have long forgotten 39:49. What wise words!
I like Malaysia in 70s and 80s ..it seems look more muhibbah amongst all races, our fathers and grandpas together with neighbours together team up in the gotong royong and rukuntetangga..its splendid national spirit.. really miss those days..
Interesting podcast bros. Haha. Malays are the same. My view is that malays have trust issues at some Chinese because of the egos, politics and looking down on other races (not all but you can tell based on response or body language p/s not all coz majority of my colleague are awesome). I did not see this from my chinese friends who attended Sekolah Kebangsaan. Hoping we can break the barrier and make this country a better place.
Thats why we all need to go to just one school. Learn about each other and hash it out while we're young. Thats how we can start to make this country a better place...together.
44:09 As someone who lives in Penang Island and Mainland, those who cannot speak BM are mostly islanders. It's a regional thing, isn't it? More bandar, more atas, more English/Chinese speaker only. Cina luar bandar mostly prefers the Chinese language or BM. Only those in bandar feel like they are too cool for BM (including Malays). But it also depends on what your parents speak to you at home and what you consume day to day. It happens consciously and unconsciously.
Hmm..but you do realised that most people who speak Chinese can't speak BM well. In fact those English speakers speaks better BM at least in my experience of KL area. Not sure of Penang though. 😅
@@ZCJay Hmm, true also 🤔 Esp if they attended SMK. At the end of the day, my observation is limited based on the people I have met
English is standardised in the US as well. But you chose to ignore.
All African American need to speak English, Mexican, red Indian, koreans, japanese, all has to speak english in the US.
Unified language doesn't just happened in Chinese country, my friend.
"In Malaysia you need to speak Bahasa" . Betul.
You don't 'need' to, people can survive here without knowing bahasa
@@jaxkk1119 Well, for them, It's not about practicality, they don't even register that as a legit argument. In fact, what you said actually annoys them that you can get by. They'd rather you not get by. Their whole thing on this is "This is my country, I own it , so you do what I tell you to do"
Yes. Benda yg paling menyedihkan adalah bila warga Malaysia cakap what's so important about Malay language.
Yes, we have our own problem with the government. Tapi ia tidak patut buat awak langsung benci kepada org melayu. Ia tidak sepatut berlaku, bila you benci govt, you gi benci org melayu.
Seriously, Chinese community needs to be educated more about the Malay culture. Thier silat, rumah tinggi in the kampung, try to hold a keris, dress baju kebaya
Malay culture sangat Kaya dan cantik, dan patut diajar kepada semua anak2 kita.
@@low3327I feel the same. Sedih bila ada Malaysian yang fikir BM tak penting. Yang lebih menyedihkan lagi bila mereka ni bangga tidak boleh berbahasa melayu. Bagi saya orang yang berfikiran seperti ini ialah orang-orang yang hidup dalam bubble. They don't want to mingle with other Malaysian.
@@LimeAndLemon-g2p wife I pun ada fikiran sama. Sbb mereka Belum pernah betul2 berkawan dgn org melayu
I start terjatuh hati dgn komuniti melayu time I form6. Tambah dgn kenangan di plkn. Then I started to realised, Malay is not only about mat rempit and pak lebai, Malay itself is complex. Not all Malay is islamic control freak trying to teach how ppl should do their attire dll.. tp selagi kami isolated dlm komuniti sendiri, selagi itu org politik ada peluang untuk menghasut. Baik Pas, baik BN, baik umno
Negara kita xboleh fokus on the real matter and struggles we need to face, sbb org kita senang ditarik dgn mindset racial. Kita semua nak tanah air ni jadi elok, jadi maju. Yg ni kena ada pendapat yg betul2 sepakat dlm kalangan kita.
The discussion talks about the stereotypical version of Chinese, but not all Chinese in Malaysia.
Maybe I’m being too judgmental? This group, especially the Chinese with glasses, clearly comes from fortunate, educated, and possibly wealthy backgrounds. The comment, 'You are older than the country, why can't you speak BM?' shows a lack of understanding about the illiteracy challenges faced by many in the older generation (baby boomers or older). While it might be valid to critique those born in the 1980s or later, such a statement fails to acknowledge the difficulties faced by previous generations.
Consider that during that time, education was not free. Imagine the challenge of supporting and educating ten siblings; it’s not surprising that many couldn’t achieve literacy in the national language. Furthermore, many Chinese converted to other religions due to the influence of English-medium schools, which is why many English-educated individuals belong to those religions.
Do your homework. Understanding the experiences and upbringing of our elders is crucial for grasping our nation's history. This awareness ensures that our comments reflect genuine insight rather than ignorance.
Explain how Bangladeshis, who are also impoverished, can speak basic BM within months, but someone who has been here for decades(their parents too), cannot.
@@Mjganny Your question is a false premise. How many skilled Bangladeshi workers have you met and talked to? I doubt you’ve worked or collaborated with them before. It seems you may not fully understand how communication with them works. Please avoid looking down on foreign workers or making statements without verifying the facts. One important question to consider is: who teaches them BM?
Regarding the previous comment about critiquing those born in the 1980s or later, I agree that some Malaysians may not make an effort to speak in BM. However, for context, 9,306 students, or 7.8%, failed BM in the SPM 2023 exams, and the failure rate was even lower in 1998. This indicates that most students do understand BM or can speak it to some extent. If someone doesn’t understand BM, how can they effectively study other subjects?
Comments like these can come across as ignorant and arrogant.
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@@mastersomf how is it a false premise?
If you recall I was referring to elderlies.
My turn to ask: Is there anything wrong with choosing to use the language they believe will benefit them more? I think it’s the same reason you are English-educated. Ask those who use BM, what language they use to search on Google.
@@mastersomf ok so you can’t show it’s a false premise and want to avoid the question.
Who is debating about which language benefits themselves more? Was that my point? Or do you need to rewatch the video again to refresh your memory?
Thank you for providing this ' safe platform' and I just want to destress from experience. Racism ie superiority complex, is true to some. I was in a lift with a little girl and her parents once. I smiled at the girl and said hello. She answered 'I dont like Malays. They are bad people'. Obviously her parents led her to that. I was too stunned to say anythg
To be fair, that's mild compared to 1) what other Chinese say about Malays , 2) What Malays say about Chinese.
@B3nn1b yes. Still shocking words from a toddler. But I guess the positive way is to take in all what's said and learn to improve
Wrong its not about superiority complex but everything to do with insecurity.
@@7Siniestro7Pistolero7 Exactly
The Chinese in Malaysia was subjected to racist apartheid mahatir bullshit. So what do you expect. For action there is a natural reaction. You should take this into account. And stop persecuting the majority of chinese People. I am vv sure there are plenty of racial slurs made by other non chinese Malaysians. On chinese. Please be balanced
. Talk about racist other non chinese mslasian racism on chinese. And you don t dare. Because chinese always easy scape goat.
Clear and Direct, love it.
Subscribed because you have the balls to discuss this 🎉
"Spirit of reunion" basically a bunch of people that do not give one fuck about each other forced to be together, and waste their time with their faces on the phone, dying for the time to pass as fast as possible, so they can leave.
The answer is
ONE exceptional school system be a luxury afforded to ALL, not just the few, regardless of race. religion blah blah blah. ONE school system that do not segregate us, but unify us. ONE school system that gives equitable, exemplary educational shared experience for ALL. ONE school system that gives equal future opportunities for ALL. ONE schools system that binds us together so that we can forge a desired Malaysian identity together. ONE school system that sows and nurtures the idea of love for countrymen and service of country. ONE school system that can make us ALL proud.
@@etas1c What that got to do with ONE school proposal?
13:55 As a fellow Malaysian Malay, this is pretty accurate...
Btw this channel got it wrong that "Singapore is fully English", it's from outside see-in only. Actually in SG the top level people mostly Mandarin speakers. Haidilao boss, Shopee boss, top movie director Jack Neo, top artistes Fann Wong, Nippon paint CEO, popiah billionaire, billionaire Peter Lim, top singer Stephanie Sun Yan Zi, all are Mandarinphone - - - - Singapore's "English-level" is perpertuated from the government/civil service level to school only. The middle-high business level standard English belong to one tier lower (except GLC). The Singlish average one is lower standing.
Safe to say the billionaire level in SG is still overrepresented with Mandarin speakers (but not unlike the Robert Kuok / Li Ka Shing vibe)
So, you believe the 'top people' in SG are these business owners and artist, but not the ministers?
@@Mjganny Yes not the ministers. The popiah king, the nippon paint CEO, the Haidilao people are 50-million/100-million millionaire to billionaire levels.
The artistes may not necessary lose ministers. Stephanie Sun, JJ Lin for example has more influence than ministers. Even Jack Neo would be on par with any ordinary ministers but below the Prime Minister
@@Mjganny The scale of SG and MY may be different, because your Robert Kuok and Vincent Tan see Sultan and all, they still need to "Daulat Tuanku" or something. Nothing of this sort in SG. So effectively the billionaires, 50 million millionaires or even the bank CEOS are by default, higher than ministers. I would say that the PM higher than bank CEO, but still below the billionaires.
@@CY_Chen I doubt billionaires can do what the PM can do.
@@Mjganny Nope, if you are billionaire you got more power than SG PM actually, all it takes is a few million and you can field entire 88 seats to compete easily, put some more marketing, even the billionaires-created party can become government.
But if you are Malaysian you will not understand because different context, Malaysia got all those Datuk, Tunku that Malaysians think is big, in Singapore we don't have all these. Billionaires in Malaysia usually Chinese Malaysian, but still no power, always beneath the Tuanku and all. Not the same for SG
Lol... please go to France... to the Metro.... it’s just so happened you met nice French people. I have encountered not nice experience in France when they are NOT happy when you asked them in English...then one of my friend scolded them in B.M.. and she’s was so helpful ... so I guess it’s up to each persons experience.
Some ppl just want to shit on everything even if it means telling lies to degrade it
This is more to personal perspective based on their life experiences and historical knowledge. Nothing to agree or disagree. Just give your ears to listen.
Honestly, I don't think its an issue if an elderly/someone is unable to speak malay properly as everyone has their own different situations and preferances.
its just like how some chinese is unable to speak any chinese dialects, malay that speaks english better than bahasa, etc.
I don't feel there's a need to be too over judgemental on others in capability/disabilities/etc and instead help each other out instead.
Each of you complained about issues and I feel some of you are doing the same in this podcast so it feels weird to me listening through you guys getting unhappy and barraging others.
Also, not everything is specific to certain races as everyone grows up in similar environment may gets brainwashed by similar thing. There are cases where immigrants from Bangladesh and others came to Malaysia and do bad things like robbery and understandably it feels annoying. I don't support their actions but I do think its understandable if think it in a different point of view.
kenapa banyak kiasu .....terutama .... yang duk area Penang , Ipoh, JB , Kepong... etc...
My comment kena potong wei.
Let me articulate a better statement.
This is a discussion that I am passionate about in my everyday life.
I will always take the opportunity to deliver a scathing invective against the Chinese diaspora in Malaysia due to being a Chinese myself and enduring the ebbs and flows throughout the years.
Try to pursue an Indian or Malay girl or try to join an Indian or Malay company and see how "open" they are. Now, I'm not tryna imply it's worse, but in my view, none of the 3 races have any right to say they're better than one another.
@@chriIIe We're talking about Malaysian Chinese not the other races.
If the topic is about all races. I would put my two cents regarding them.
I think what it is is the Malaysian Chinese have the most goodies, they have the most money, desirable women that everyone wants, so it creates a greater sense of injustice when you are denied entry into the Chinese candy store. Whereas the candy store of Malays or Indians, are equally if not more locked off, but it doesn't really bother you cuz the sweets aren't as sweet. But to me, the gatekeepiness of the Chinese I don't feel differs significantly from other races to warrant singling them out.
@@chriIIeI want to vomit🤮
At the root of this is the attitude of we are never wrong, a superiority complex intertwined with inferiority complex, example in any conversation discussing this topic the comments will fill up predominantly defending every aspect, especially when it comes to discrimination in hiring at the workplace and in business
Yup. Worse is they not aware.
I just learned that Bantu, I.e to help comes from Mandarin.
sekolah tu kalau dekat america dah kena panggil komunis.. sebab apa di malaysia okay sebab orang melayu berhati lembut.. kalau di india ???
49:05 just to clarify there is a word for sarcasm - 讽刺 or 嘲讽
Anyways really agree with the points about being kiasu and insecure, been through Chinese education and it’s not a good time in my life 😂
some points are true, but some points i dont agree with, sarcasm and humour is definitely alive in Chinese but you need to be good in mandarin. Mandarin stand up scene is definitely improving, with BBK channel taking the lead and non of the low effort black guy turned white guy stuff.
but overall i think its more of a Malaysia tribalism thing, there are lots of stuff that you mentioned on Chinese also happen in Malay and Indian community, you just have to be in the rural Malay or Indian majority area. The insecurity thing is the same as Malay's insecurity with non Malays taking over, is it rational ? not entirely, but many are not willing to trust the other side to give a chance.
I would say all of the points are accurate, however what is misguided is the characterization that it happens only or mainly with the Chinese. Malays have bumi rites, Indians have caste system, both of which are strong evidence of self-supremacy as well.
i think things are changing in terms of sarcastic humour, but I don't think its as widely revered among Chinese people. People think its rude.
Tribalism is true, though I believe the Chinese up the intensity. Not easy to find Malays who feel they are superior to other races, yet Chinese people feel that all the time.
@@chriIIe Don't understand your comparison. Bumi rights are an admission of lack by Malays and is a form of protection. The caste system applies largely to people within India. One is defensive in nature, the other is internal. We are discussing about how the outside(and inside) world feels about Chinese people generally. Accusations of things like arrogance for Malays and Indians from the outside world is a lot less intense than for Chinese.
In a hypothetical scenario where Malays one day match or exceed the wealth of Chinese, does anyone truly believe that they will have the maturity within themselves to abolish those privileges? In highly multicultural Chinese states such as Hong Kong or Singapore , the Chinese have demonstrated maturity to respect equal rights for all races , Indians or Malays have no such track record of that. Colorism in India, a feature of the caste system, is way more severe than Chinese on Indian discrimination, it escalates to verbal and physical abuse, which the Chinese for all their ills , the worst case scenario is avoidance of Indians. Accusations are always highest in the highest of the socio-economic ladder, and it happens that the Chinese are the highest rung in this region at least, but race, while it correlates with wealth, is not the cause. That's what I believe, I'm not here to convert you if you don't agree.
@@chriIIe When the time comes, we will see if Malays will behave differently. But based on the available evidence, which is what matters, they do not display the same sense of superiority as the Malaysian Chinese.
For HK and SG, they are different because of their heavier Western influence. They've allowed outside influences to control their historical tendencies. SG in the early days went against the wish of making Mandarin the national language by the Chinese Chamber of Commerce.
Regardless, as you might've noticed, this video is specific to Malaysian Chinese people. So your points about Chinese people outside of Malaysia or other countries like India is not relevant to the discussion.
Yes, it is a Malaysian thing. Can confirm
In Sarawak the chinese learning the "IBAN" language in many place in sarawak due to "IBAN" are only learn thier on language..
Yalah, im one of it, anak sarawak tok 4 bahasa nadai problem , cina melayu iban english nadai hal wai
This episode is so eye-opening. Malay and Indians next sksksksk
Interesting perspectives 😅😅
im a malay,, watching this... ok thats all.. tq very much
Read book The Chinese Dilemma by Lin-Sheng Ye..talk about chinese in Malaysia.
"Apa lagi cina mau energy" 😆
I'm Singaporean equally fluent in Mandarin and English. Actually Mandarin is funnier (Even the PRC ones), maybe you two not in the sphere only
He failed to realised why he got looked down is because he cant speak his own language. Thats all
If he is malay or indian, that would be different case.
Simple theory he cannot brain it out.
And you think it's his fault?
@@ellllgie japanese will not consider you japanese if you are pure blood and arent able to speak japanese, so its not only chinese...
@@ellllgie why not? if they think older people should know bahasa, why cant he a modern educated chinese be able to speak his mother tongue? such a double standard and biased take
@@katkat2673 Says who?? Please rewatch the video again. I think you misunderstood them. They are saying that people have misconceptions till today and not knowing that people come from different family background and history la...
@@katkat2673 imagine not being able to speak one of the easiest languages and still not speak it despite living here more than decade. such embarrassment
Bro tido luar mlm ni 😅😅
Speaking of comedy I dont think any races in Asia region is funny. You only think a joke is funny when it is relatable. If you are not well verse of others' culture, the way they conduct. Mostly likely you won't get the joke.
haha damn good episode la. these chinese fellas i tell you haha anyways keep it up guys
To me you are truly Malaysian... Salute
😂oh guys stop talking about me...very shy la like this, my mom is pure chinese muslim married my dad indian muslim 😂 guess race in my ic?
Malay 😂😂😂
You can never be a malay but you can be a bumiputera if you speak malay and pratice the malay culture
@knock-knockwhosthere9933 when i got my first ic,my race was different untill i reached the age of 18 than it was changed again🤣...
@ismailmuhamed4601 brother,susah la mcm ni 🤣 jgn reject i hahaha...so i said my mom chinese muslim kan,is because she was adopted by malays when she was young...so i grew up in a malay household ...even though both of them aren't malay but i grew up with my grandparents on mom side...
Generational PTSD being reinforced within the family tree a contributory factor, to add context to this discussion. Also cultural narcissism is in play.
Sarcasm in mandarin is called 讽刺. Chinese are judgemental is correct, we are always trying to assume things. I think generation with age 30+ 40+ nowadays are trying to change somehow, Coz we were taught by our parents in this way (judging things by race😂) and we feel its incorrect. Luckily my mom and dad in age 70+ can talk and listen to bahasa.
Good on your parents!
Sarcasm= 嘲讽
Moral education plays a major role....
I attended SK as a Chinese minority. At times I was treated as the convenient enemy.
When my Grab delivery guy is Chinese, they always, ALWAYS FUCK UP MY DELIVERY.
indians r known as a race who speak languages very fluently
Langauge doesn't get your race respect, money is the only thing that puts respect on yo race name.
Hahahahaha plsss do for malay version!!!
Can't will get jailed.
In the same spirit, you guys do a Malay version too 😊
I say bad things about the "Malay" people too. Prof Tajuddin Rasdi would be a great contributor.
In context, I am half Chinese and half Malay, so both sides deserves equal bashing sometimes 😝
Can't will get jailed.
Melayu xde jatidiri mmg suka bash bangsa dia
Egg farts doesn't specifically a Chinese problem, it's everybody's problem but Chinese do eat a lot of eggs.
Secondly, I feel that some Chinese isolated themselves from the rest of us, some even uncomfortable to walk around in malay area pasar malam.
I disagree, it's not a chinese problem, you won't see any malay around the chinese majority area too
Fair to say chinese food are more diverse ha ha
@@jaxkk1119 I'm malay and my friend is mixed Chinese, so we used to hangout with Chinese girls, go to pasar malam around KL and pj area.
I'm ok with going to taman connaught or taman sea pasar malam even though I can't eat anything there, but when we go to malay area pasar malam, some of the girls were visibly uncomfortable.
So, I don't say all Chinese but some, speaking from my experience.
Malays usually don't visit Chinese pasar malam because of halal food problem, not because we don't like Chinese or anything but some Chinese especially from vernacular schools are afraid to mix with malays, I don't know why.
Just my observations.
@@MrErosennin68 Superiority-complex.
@@sagan08 I don't think it's superiority complex , it's natural if you prefer to be with the same race, everybody is doing it, it's called the clan mentality, but their clan mentality is a notch stronger than the rest of us.
Aku yakin kaum china dan india jadi kuasa di malaysia..tahniah
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Yes there are McDonald drive through in Singapore.
Jgn ade yg bandingkan antara sini dgn indonesia laaaa dekat indonesia ada klcc trx batu caves trec ada kaa
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#TopOfTheWorldMentality
#JudgementalAF
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Conspitorial mindset... hmmm I must have mixed with a lot of chinese 😂😂😂
Cina miss you bangladesh...
Good podcasts..lah
💩Rubbish in, rubbish out
Kenapa eea orang cina bila oder makan lokek nak bagi tip pada rider.....rumah besar ....tapi tak bagi tip seringgit ke dua ringgit...hantar hujan2 pun tak bagi tip...
Atas keikhlasan dorang, nak bagi tk bagi itu hak dia. Jgn memiskin duit tip ya. 👍👍
saya melayu bang tak bagi tips jugak. 😂
@@bungalawang1960 ramai yang bagi tip orang melayu...kecuali kau lah...aku pernah dapat tip 50 ringgit budak melayu bagi rumah dia rumah flet murah je.....tapi kalu melayu yang tak bagi tip tu melayu yang kaya.....rumah besar...siap ada guard lagi...
I don't think this generalisation is helpful at all.
But it certainly gets you lots of brownie points from Malays and Indians.
TAR college lot of egg farts lol.
small bubble
I find it double standard to judge the older generations of not being able to speak bahasa, when clearly you guys as a modern educated and privilledged youngsters cant even speak in your mother tongue, and barely understand the culture. Guess the only thing right in the podcast were Chinese being judgmental.
If I show that I can speak mandarin, will you delete your comment?
as a matter of fact, typical Malaysian culture. You no need to play with racial card. Playing with racial card doesn't makes you a better Malaysian..lol..😂😂😂😂😂😂😂..
introduce philosophy to chinese? have you heard of Lao Tze and Confucius? ridiculous analysis
This podcast full of planta.