Im not up on all this drama but either way children are being shot. Why are you debating whether or not they were aiming at the head when regardless they were clearly aiming at a child. It also doesn't help when IDF troops literally brag about it. Like, why are you trying harder to obfuscate than the actual soldiers?
Some people just prefer being truthfull. He said Israel does enough horrible shit that there is no need to fabricate details to make it seem even worse. A claim about snipers was made, he read the report, and called out the lie. Why is that wrong? How are the people inventing stories not the ones obfuscating from reality?
@@jaime19700he is literally justifying the idf and its horrendous cleansing of gaza, and your telling me he only cares about the minute details but supports palestine? What are you even talking about? This is just apologetics and disgusting propaganda
Good comment. So many people commenting here are just on one team or the other because it's their favorite streamer. But sometimes people are able to just assess the content matter and wonder what the hell is wrong with these people.
So by your logic, is it okay to say that Hamas were beheading babies on Oct 7th? It’s blatantly untrue , but they do kill babies so I guess it’s okay to exaggerate it right?
Can someone help? I'm half an hour into the video and all I see is "facts and logic" vibes trying to debate whether those kids shot were killed intentionally or by accident by the IDF. I was expecting that bad empanada's clipping of Loner's video meant that he took out the part where Loner said "it wasnt snipers, probably killed by regular infantry, still horrible and fucked up", but I didnt see any of that. Instead I see you hyperfocusing on whether Israel has an official policy of killing palestinian kids or not. Does it really matter if it's official? Does the Israeli government and the IDF really deserve to be defended over that? Per their own admission 16 thousand civilians have been killed, and the Gaza Health Ministry claims at least 11 thousand children killed. Does it really warrant debating whether it was intentional, whether it was marksmen, whether it was 99 instead of 100 kids killed with bullet holes in their head, or in their arm, or wherever, when the israeli government has killed at least 10 times the number of civilians they lost since the start of the war? Why is Loner going all out "debate bro", "ackshually" over this minute point? I have been a long time fan of you Loner, particularly for your main channel, and I'd be willing to talk about this in one of your streams if you let me.
Lol this white colonizer BE is specifically saying it's Israel policy. Lonerbox is saying there's no evidence of that and then says that IDF soldiers are embolded by the lack of accountability in the justice system
@@snfDoctorneat. So when did BE say this was policy? Because he certainly didn’t in this video. Loner is claiming because it’s not not policy it likely wasn’t intentional. BE is claiming regardless of policy, the issue is systemic, which implies intent
the idea that just because something isnt an official policy it isnt systemic is just idiotic. For example if in a competely unrelated "conflict" one side used commanders who used civillians to investigate possibly deadly tunnels and then these commanders where never removed from there position this would practically all but officially permit these actions. Doing this would permit other commanders to carry out similar actions aswell as showing that there is no real issue with carrying out warcrimes. This is just one way that armies can permit warcrimes to become systemic without implementing them as "official policy". Alot of the most evil things comitted by armies where not official policy; this does not mean they were isolated events or came from nothing. Anyone who disagrees with this -certainly anyone who professes to be on the left- should really learn how systems (more specifically systems of hierarchy) permit acts of oppression discrimination etc from occuring.
I dont know why wouldn't they have bad intent after Oct 7. I'm not saying this as Pros or Cons, but fact. My problem with the whole issue is that we want to say one side is better than the other but we see the same destructions and barbarism from BOTH sides. For example, the soldiers graped women on Oct 7 which is horrible, then the IDF do the same on video in jail cells, wtf. How can someone side with this bs? like what can you say?? "It's ethnical and clean because they're the brazzers??"
The NYT article said 44 doctors nurses and paramedics had seen *multiple* preteen children shot in the head or chest. If they’ve seen multiple each, it seems like a number in the hundreds is likely. All the anecdotes used are not about snipers, but it does seem like you’re trying to play off a pattern of killings as accidents, which to an outsider seems naïve or dishonest which is probably where a lot of the hate is coming from
Thousands of children have died, the likelyhood that some were killed by bullets is high for various reasons beyond just war crimes while also probably war crimes, apparently pointing that out is denying it???
I feel like there's a clear misunderstanding of what he's saying here. let me play devil's advocate for a moment -- hundreds of kids implies that every person interviewed had little to no overlap in patients seen by other interviewees. alternatively, it's equally, if not more, possible that the people interviewed saw many of the same patients. for the sake of this example, we'll bump the figure of 44 doctors, nurses, and paramedics up to 50 - there are numerous possible scenarios where for every X healthcare workers, the exact same patient was seen during their time in a given facility. now, let's assume that, on average, the number of 'multiple preteen children' seen is 6/person. we'll also assume that for every 10 healthcare workers, the same patient was seen by all of them during their time in the hospital. so now, for every group of 10 healthcare workers, they've seen 6 different patients of this nature. there are 5 groups of 10 healthcare workers of which each group sees 6 different patients, meaning this scenario only has there being around 30 total patients being discussed. fwiw I'm not indicating the hypothetical above is true. what I am indicating though is that Loner's stance is there simply is not enough information from the NYT article for people to infer that hundreds of children were shot in the head by snipers, that they were shot by a sniper or other weapon, OR that it was deliberate (at least on scale).
This assumes that there is no overlap what so ever. Chances are that a lot of these paramedics saw the same X-rays. I think the article confirmed like 13 so a realistic real estimate is probably more like 20-50. I wish none of them were dead but tragedy is no excuse not to think through your assumptions for a second.
@@jellewijckmans4836 13 unique cases for the Doctor that worked there between March 25th and April 8th so 15 days. She saw a new case almost every day.
Prob wouldn’t be each because there’s not 44 hospitals, so you’d expect groups of them have seen the same kids, but regardless it’s sad no matter how many. I think he’s saying accidents because there are probably awful soldiers but a high percentage are probably accidents because the baby is not their target. That doesn’t mean sloppiness or this many accidents is ok
Lonerbox, I understand most of your points, but I do feel like this defence is rather flawed. The centre of the argument is the dead kids, and you're stuck on the hill of how many are intentionally killed. Logically some will have been accidents, and as you said in the video, some were certainly intentional killings. You're in a losing position by trying to argue the logic of what percentage might not have been murders, which they can frame as genocide apologia. All parties here agree that the IDF is committing war crimes, and that there is a portion of the cases mentioned in the article are probably intentional. By getting bogged down in semantics about however many may have been intentional just lets them smear you and strawman you.
Why lie tho? Should we just ignore people spreading misinformation because it does not further our agenda? or because it's uncomfortable and bad optics? Plenty of reasons to rightfully critizice Israel and the IDF. Making up facts only gives more ammunition to crazy right-wing zionists to deflect and ignore international pressure to keep committing atrocities. Hasan and BE are useful buffons blinded by either blood-thirst or clout that make putting pressure into reaching realistic solutions harder. They are no different from ultra zionists that make up lies about the Palestininans to justify their colonial enterprise. They want this to keep going forever so they can virtue signal and farm content.
No, his argument centered around policy. LB stated that these kids were shot and killed, but the ammunition could’ve been used from a variety of guns, so we can’t know if snipers were utilized. In addition, he argued that 13 children were found shot, opposed to the claims that “hundreds” of kids have been sniped. He argued that we can’t really know what happened to these kids for sure without further information. Some could’ve been shot intentionally, others by accident, but treating this incident as 100% knowing it was intentional by IDF policy is muddying the water. LB acknowledges a systematic issue regarding war crimes by IDF soldiers, but his position is that it’s unlikely this is direct top-down policy to start sniping random children. I don’t think this is a losing position, unless you consider seeking truth in a complicated situation as a “loss”.
the VOD was never privated! you can go through the Channel page -> Playlists -> VOD Playlist and find the video in question "mehdi hasan vs eylon levy debate" easily enough,
This is suppose to be a positive thing, reaching out to people you might not agree with. If you are against Israel I suggest first going to Israel before holding an opinion.
he's saying they may have been shot due to a missed shot on a different target - hence 'targets move fast' as in they are easy to miss. I don't know how you somehow interpret that as "the reason they were shooting children in the head is because they move quick :) " it literally doesn't even make sense, Video games have honestly destroyed people's understanding of real life combat... combatants and police aim for centre of mass i.e. a target's torso area, which is also around the same height as a child's head because they are roughly half the size of an adult. If someone is moving it's very, very difficult to intentionally shoot them in the head because it's a much smaller target. There's other factors too, children are more likely to be shot in the head because their head to body ratio is larger than an adult, as you grow up your head grows disproportionately so small children have a 1:4-1:6 head-body ratio while most adults have about a 1:8 head-body ratio. "We saw a number of children with sniper injuries to the head, a single shot to the head. No other injuries. So clearly, they were deliberately targeted by Israeli snipers, and yeah, that was day after day" - This quote also doesn't make sense, a single shot anywhere doesn't indicate that someone was deliberately targetted, if there was multiple shot wounds people would also point to that as evidence that they are being deliberately targetted and it would actually be stronger evidence. People are hit by stray bullets very often, police are not even supposed to fire at someone if there may be people behind or around them and when a combatant does intend to kill someone they fire multiple times. You don't take a shot and wait to see if they died then fire again. This would be awful if it were true, we would all be in agreeance, but you can't infer that from the information given. Do you guys really not care about this? Like if you were on a jury for a court case and cops were firing at a suspect and one of the shots went through someone's house and into a child's head would you rule that as manslaughter or murder?
@Aspecscubed I did not mentioning head. See how you focused on the word "head" while I did not mention it at all. The head was not the point at all. Head, body, same thing. The huge mass, mass majority of their targets are women, children, doctors, journalists, students and so on. So, my point still stands. It is pretty, pretty, pretty INSANE thing to say that about hundreds of children (in that case, because in total it is thousands of children). Saying "targets move fast in combat situations" as some kind of "free-pass" reason to give them for targeting so many civilians. Which they do target. They did not miss and it does not give them any free pass to do so and there is no way any sane person can defend this.
"Erm those children shot in the head might not have been done by snipers, just OTHER IDF SOLDIERS" such a joke. Dozens of cases of people being shot by snipers unarmed, civilians murdered directly by soldiers, this is some of the most disgusting apologetics i have ever seen.
There is literally NOTHING wrong with what he said at all. He has specified in cases where there a satisfactory amount of proof that the IDF soldiers intentionally harmed civilians or unarmed people that it's BAD, a WAR CRIME and SHOULD BE CONDEMNED. But it's not enough for you freaks, you hear what you want to hear and you cry about completely mangled points even when the proof of the opposition is sitting in front of your face for an hour long. You're a gross disgusting person and you don't give a shit about this conflict at all, you just want a side to play on.
He’s not even being apologetic of the IDF. He’s just saying there’s no evidence that they were killed purposefully by snipers, so why does Nazi Nacho lie about it? Does that not concern you that this man is blatantly lying about this serious topic? Is it okay to lie and say that Hamas beheaded babies on Oct 7th? Is correcting people who lie about that being apologetic towards killing babies? It’s insane how impossible it is for you to see nuance
@ I’m far more concerned about the 100+ babies/kids shot precisely in the head than the type of gun used. What do you think the error rate is of a rifle? Is it extremely high?
@@tobysmith2081 Why do all of you drones do this thing where you COMPLETELY sidestep the point being made by saying this same line: "I'm personally way more concerned with X rather than getting hung up on debate bro details." THE ENTIRE POINT IS THAT HE IS BLATANTLY LYING. THE LYING MATTERS BECAUSE THE GREATER CONTEXT OF THE LIE IS TO MALICIOUSLY FRAME LONERBOX AS A MISINFORMATION HATEMONGER. It's genuinely so fucking frustrating reading these dogshit comments
The crew's questions were hard to listen to. Lonerbox has such an obviously far greater understanding of the factual details of the ongoing conflict in the middle east. They were out of their depth...
@myztikgohan I agree with that but unfortunately they weren't asking questions to learn, really. They were more or less rhetorical statements in question form that showed their lack of nuance.
@@gennybee give them a break. Ethan likes politics, but h3 is a comedy show at the end of the day so I don't think it's fair to expect the crew to be used to publicly discussing these issues. Plus some of them have had family in scary situations during this war, so it's understandable that they'd be emotional. It wasn't an intentional rhetorical trick. I think it's nice that LonerBox said he didn't mind their questions.
This is literally all of BE's content, his videos are insanely low effort and misrepresenting his opponents positions. The guy is a hilariously bad video essayist
BE lies intentionally all the time. He does not care. And to any sane person this is very obvious. It also is obvious to hasan who has called BE a psycho in the past, which he is totally correct on. Hasan only flipped as he is a manipulative pos himself.
Hasan isnt even the largest political streamer on twitch anymore since asmongold decided to farm trump clips. Lil gup dropped down to number 2. Hate to see it
Haven't watched yet but man Ethan saying "I want to show more alternatives for Hasan" must've really hurt his little feelings 😢 lol. Hasan responding more to that than any actual points Ethan brings up lol
@@LiteralCountryofChadisBased and you agree with BE... 2 IRL failures, mad at the world looking for any cause that you can make your entire personality to feel less like a failure. You have no education haha! Embarrassing
@@averya7443 this is ridiculous. I think hasan is most sad about his so callled friend defaming him without reason. Hasan has probably more viewers that H3 you idiot. Lol.
@@gengar1187no, these people and loner box specifically clearly have no idea what they are attempting do speak on, fascism is a far right ideology and BE is a communist. This dude literally defends Israel shooting kids in the dome with snipers. He would be closer to a fascist than BE considering BE is on the exact opposite side of the political spectrum
Debate lords are soo out of touch with reality. You can talk about ratios and children dying but to see it and experience it… it’s a whole different reality for those people. They live in hell while you judge them behind your computer screen in your comfortable house with the central heating and electricity
Badempanada is just like nick Fuentes imo. If you listen to them and agree with them on anything I instantly think you're suffering from some kind of mental health problem.
lmao what even is this echo chamber level talking point, "yeah badempanada is like a nazi so dont listen to them or agree on any point if you do then you are ill" bruh
Fuentes tends to dance around his real positions, giving relative non-crazies enough plausible deniability to believe that he’s not such a nut. Gross Guacamole wears his beliefs on his sleeve
@@chrisbrown7090 that’s weird. Same goes with Lonerbox. Dude defends Israeli warcrimes and down plays them. Everyone that listens to this guy and gives him any credibility is ignorant, complacent and mentally ill. Dude has photos with Eylon Levy and is besties with destiny.
You mean he is misrepresenting BE's misrepresentation of him? This would be incredible cinema if BE is actually a chill guy and never went after LonerBox, and LonerBox is clipping him out of context to fabricate beef with himslef.
@MrGreyGames He clips Hasan out of context, something he accuses BE of doing. He asked for evidence of BE claim of the "hundreds" and proceeds to cut off BE's justification for his use of the term something he accuses BE of doing to him. You should watch Hasan's reaction video to BE and judge for yourself. He also misrepresents multiple sources, including the UN sexual violence October 7th report and the NYT article that spurred this video in the first place. Overall, it's just a terrible video.
I dont even care about his ideology. Does he even have one? He is simply a very obvious psychopath, who intentionally lies and character assassinates for views/money in a cold blooded manner.
You showed 6 seconds of your stream responding to someone saying the photos were fake to prove that at no point in your stream you analysied the photos? Real conclusive. That's not the same thing. How about you unprivate the vod?
However, Lonerbox does state that the images WERE checked by professionals. What else do you want? Should Lonerbox go to the frontline in Gaza to report live? Does he need to see the images firsthand for you to suspend your ignorance?
@MrGreyGames are you replying to me? I thought it was clear I thought it's ridiculous that he would try. And his attempts at doing it would be ridiculous. Hence, no serious person watching him should take him seriously about his conclusions.
@MrGreyGames Yes, the images were inspected by professionals and they independently came to the conclusion that these children were targeted and it's beyond what's normally seen in battlefields. I'd expect a reasonable, impartial person to respect their conclusion. Not try and come up with any and every dumb guy reason to cast doubt on that conclusion.
@MrGreyGames The cognitive dissonance is on the part of Lonerbox. It's honestly absurd how willing he is to defend the state of Israel. As if it can't and doesn't defend itself. No one calls out Lonerbox asking him to defend Israel and the IDF. He does this stuff on his own volition and the backlash he gets seems to fuel him on. The backlash doesn't explain why he started. None of his subs wonder why he's so intent on doing it? At the least if you're not an expert, have no first hand evidence and can't actually refute experts, just... Stay out of defending a state that's been found to have plausibility committed genocide and sit on the fence until it's been decided by experts and the law? That is if you don't want to try and prevent the genocide from ongoing. But why Stan for the potential genociders? It's absurd from even a liberal centrist POV.
I think this is said video (the first one that BE responded to in "Genocide defenders got worse"), and the first part where he talk about the other one was added later. Or at least I hope, considering how he rehashed ridicolous arguments that were already addressed there (like the "accidental misfire" one, just Christ what an insanely dumb argument)
WHICH VOD? If you mean the multiple hour regular stream that this video was cut from, THIS VOD was published alongside THIS video last night; if you mean one of the multiple VODs where the NYT, Guardian, or CBS doctor reports were discussed, You can always find the VODs in the playlist! If you navigate to Loner's channel page -> Playlists -> VOD Playlist, you are likely looking for the following VOD titles: "New Pager Attack info | Reading ig", "mehdi hasan vs eylon levy debate", "Hasan callout oh no chat is this real | US deadline for Israel expires | America memes" (The FULL aforementioned VOD that this video was cut from), or one of the many others. All of these VODs with the exception of the "Hasan callout oh no chat is this real | US deadline for Israel expires | America memes", are put onto the playlist at the end of stream. You can even search transcripts and navigate to specific timestamps related to whatever it is you're looking for. Hopefully this helps you to navigate RUclips a bit more efficiently!
@@svlphurno, the VOD he privated so that everybody could see he was being cut out of context...or rather so they couldn't see that he wasn't cut out of context? Something like that, the whole reason for privating was dumb and illogical, so I forget the exact excuse.
@@kingflynxi9420 you shouldn't consider yourself a pro Palestinian if you shake hands with the man who was the main propaganda mouthpiece for Netanyahu since October 7
@@kingcobra8840you do realize that if you act like an incorrigible ahole to people you disagree with, they tend to not be receptive to being interviewed and clam up? I swear, none of y’all have any sense.
He hasnt. He has called it out, but he has also called out the lack of evidence for some claims. That is how things should be. You should be ashamed of not being skeptic of any information which is not backed with truth.
@@DuppyBoii187 thanks for the distinct lack of contribution to the discussion. Not only do you have no proof in favor of your point, you are begging the question while at the same time I bet you don't even watch Hasan to have any context. I award you no points.
@@sypherthe297th2 It was meant to be sarcastic. Noah is completely partisan and would never react to this. Although I would enjoy watching him try to defend this
@@andrewhaxton1076 Samsen is unwatchable. Even worse than his horrible takes is the favt that I constantly find myself thinking his mustache should be on a watchlist for child predators.
No because it isn't haha... It's a war Hamas started and then when the IDF started up the wood chipper, Hamas hid in their network of tunnels they've made from diverted humanitarian aid money. Those tunnels directly under civilian infrastructure (and a disturbing amount of UNRWA collaboration) violate the Geneva convention, effectively turning Gaza into a battleground. Please learn anything about the world you live in. You tankies are such failures it's wild haha!
If you're more worried about what someone calls something over their actions/remedies to alleviate/exacerbate the situation you've taken a misstep. Whether or not Lonerbox called it that, would that make his stances any more or less valid?
You literally have done multiple hit pieces on Hassan , they even included his picture in the thumbnail and just to clarify this was before he ever came for you
Yep, granted that is exactly what happens with the other side but you guys justify it with arguments like "small channels can go after you, but you don't have the right to go after small channels and reciprocate".
LonerBox in BadEmpanada's delusion: These xrays are fake LonerBox, actually: These xrays are definitely real and have been verified by experts shameless 💀
Ive been so excited for BE to be mentioned, he is probably my favortive channel to hatewatch on youtube. The propaganda he spews and the agruments that take place in the comment section are UNHINGED. Very entertaining, 10/10, would not recommend to people overly susceptible to propaganda.
The number of people who go “oh his videos are good his twitter side is unhinged.” Nah man. That’s called ideological capture. You *think* his videos are good because you have a bias for his position. Even his video essays are unhinged slop.
@@whatdatdogdo If you actually watched the video you're commenting on, you'd see him blatantly lie about LonerBox and make loads of outlandishly stupid claims with absolutely zero evidence.
@@nystagmus3535 Seriously. He confidently spews blatant lies about history on his channel throughout pretty much all of his videos. I've realized that his fans are not rational actors, so instead of trying to sway their opinions, I now prefer to sit back and enjoy the clownshow.
12:45 buddy you imply the argument if you react of children with bullet in the head and you are like hum people make decision in 2 sec you try to imply there si a level of accentatility, its 100% fair.
Even if the guns were not all snipers, how can you have hundreds of children with gunshots to the head? If that was normal for conflicts, we would see that reflected in most other conflicts. Instead the only conflicts that I could find that contain so many children being shot in the head or the chest are the Srebrenica Genocide, the Rwandan Genocide and this conflict since October 7th which doesn't exactly help your point. Oh, and this may be anecdotal but I read up on snipers, because of your claim of Mehdi not knowing how snipers work. Snipers take their time and typically can wait for a very long time, sometimes hours or even days, for the perfect shot. Ideally with a stationary target but not always. And we have testimonies of Palestinians with stories that indicate their children being deliberately targeted like a father who said his son got shot out of his arm and when he started looking for him, he found him several meters back on the ground and as he approached his son, his son was shot again. You can run cover for Israel all you want but these are inescapable facts that you wishfully swat away in order to ignore any valid criticism of your takes. Also sometimes you don't need a direct policy from the top and instead just need a culture of impunity like we've seen with police officers in the USA. You don't need a policy in the police force that creates racist outcomes and disproportionate violence towards people of color, you just need a culture of impunity where cops know they can get away with things without any consequence and we see that reflected culture reflected in the IDF. The whole reason why former and active IDF soldiers come out about the corruption and crimes within the IDF through organizations like Breaking the Silence is (as the word "silence" indicates) because there is no significant accountability in the IDF for major breaches of international law and basic Palestinian humanity.
One, we don't know the extent of the true number and the doctors reported on both head and chest shots, Two, we do not have evidence of what most the bullet types even are. Three, "If that was normal for conflicts..." The Gaza strip is one of the most population dense places on Earth and is almost entirely urban. This conflict is unique by all standards. As LB pointed out, 49 out of the 258 IDF deaths have come from friendly fire alone. Clearly this is a unique circumstance. Again, LB doesn't deny the possibility, but he would need to see actual evidence. No evidence yet has been presented about the nature of what exactly happened with the kids those doctors saw. Also, "take their time for the perfect shot" sounds like you just watch too many military dramas. Snipers don't aim for the head to kill. You saw it with Trump, the head is one of the most mobile parts of the body. It is simply not feasible unless the target is not moving. Especially since center mass contains just as many vital organs as your brain. It's also contradictory by your own logic, how can you set up a "perfect shot" for a mobile target headshot? Huh? Like, if it comes out there is verifiable evidence most of the kids' death was due to intentional IDF killings, it's not gonna be long-range snipers setting up a mile wide scope shot. It's most likely gonna be infantrymen with rifles and marksmen. Also, also, Lonebox directly touches on the systemic lack of accountability in the IDF. He talks about it. You're not disagreeing with him here.
For sure I agree with the observation, just in terms of placing Srebenicza in this discourse- I fully see the comparison point especially again in the North with how they separated men and women with not so much as a discussion over what or why that "what" was happening. Unfortunately the person that Loner was responding to doesn't actually believe that the Genocides in Bosnia happened, by comparison Loner does. the debate that happened on the VOD that BE took these clips from actually goes over this, I remember after I first watched through the BE criticism video that I started to read a bit more about when it is legally that such insane levels of 0 accountability, where the apathy becomes a willful inaction that leads to harm in some way, either by military means or against a civilian population - I stumbled across *this* international-review.icrc.org/articles/reason-to-know-in-the-international-law-of-command-responsibility-919 which might be interesting for you to read, largely because it gives case studies for people who might also be interested in how laws impact military responses. I do think that what happens and has has happened in the occupied territories suggests a culture of inaction, that may not be policy but reaches the threshhold of a crime according to LOAC, something that should further be examined by the ICC when we continue to talk about the prosecution of war crimes conducted by Israel. On what Loner agrees to: that sniping someone means that you are without a doubt shooting to kill, there is an intention in the action. There will be some that are accidents due to things like misidentification, although like he and another caller a different time were talking about: it seems very difficult to say "misidentification" when you are talking about little children, just in terms of height alone it's kind of outrageous to think that there will be any real "misidentification" in such cases. Loner has also since gone through the Younis Tirawi documentary/interview with the sniper unit that was responsible for some of these killings around hospitals in the Winter of 2023 & 2024, where they explicitly state that they created Kill Zones (something he believes is bad as well - just in case you were concerned), he says this is a violation of law and it needs to be addressed, but because of the overwhelming lack of accountability in Israel towards the IDF, he has genuine concerns that this will not be investigated and even if it were, that the punishments given will be so low and not match the severity in sentencing that you would see a similar crime conducted against the IDF or Israel at the hands of a Palestinian.
no the pro genocide people are the ones who just managed to get trump into office again so all the jews can finally go back to philistine to start the rapture, try and keep up
@@LiteralCountryofChadisBased You kind of did though. Are you not making a comment? Because I can see 2 and that kind of is doing exactly what you said you aren't doing
Weren't you seen praising Nazi's as they attacked minorities in the street before joining them? I have as much proof as you do about Lonerbox right now so I'm going to assume you are a Nazi.
I'd love to see you making more heavily edited video essays. I love what you're saying but the format could be more engaging and concise. Either way keep it up! It's refreshing to have someone not trying to sensationalize or bend truth to back up their opinion. ❤
which vod? because the VODs that BE clipped from are still available! If you go to the Channel page -> Playlist -> VOD Playlist -> "mehdi hasan vs eylon levy debate". It has been available since that stream ended that day, and has never been pulled down Hopefully that helps!
@@fritznovak4482 have you watched interviews with Bryant, watched the interviews with his neighbors, friends and people that knew him? I’ve read the materials and watched all that stuff. Bryant didn’t do it.
Just occurred to me the quality of these sources in the description is unrivaled. Shoutout to LB's editor, this is some serious work on top of the timestamps
@@CoolCommenter-YesIndeed All you have to do is watch the first 5 minutes of the video to find evidence of that empanada guy lying about LonerBox's positions. Imagine having to lie about someone's positions to make them look bad..
I just realized that Hasan has the same critique of LonerBox’s take that people had of him with the 10/7 rapes. Hasan said “I didn’t say 10/7 rapes never happened, I said they weren’t systematically done by Hamas” and rages at any one who claims he denied rapes. But now that LonerBox said “I don’t deny some IDF soldiers shot kids, I just don’t see any proof of it being systemic.” All of sudden Hasan is losing his mind. So is that logic only ok when it comes to himself and not anybody else?!
The difference is there is evidence of systemic sexual violence by Hamas and Hasan did deny it/play it down. Meanwhile LB only said it’s not clear how they were ending up shot. Since it’s not. And the article didn’t say that it was either. So Hasan’s not a hypocrite. He’s just a liar.
there is proof of it being systematic by the IDF. i've just seen insane amounts of people cherry-picking what reports are credible to them based on vibes only
@@lonerboxlive Marching orders are what you receive mate, critically thinking demands evidence which you could've provided but only did when pressured. No integrity.
Thanks for coming on H3, family! This attack in the beginning that hasan is watching is what all his sycophants used to attack us and you in the comments. Glad you’re addressing it! ☮️ and ❤
25:32 lmao criticisms? Those criticisms do nothing lmao. The turkish govt willfully changed a secular nation into a terror hole. What is criticism from a clown going to help
Sorry did the guy LonerBox is watching really try to say you shoot someone in the head instead of chest when you want to kill someone. When you shoot someone at all it's because you want to kill them...?
??? You're not even responding to BE actually make a video responding to BE and stop giving slop drama responses when you bring in low effort commentary expect to get it back in return.
how do you like not even sit down and watvh thr video to its entirety your so disengenous and you dont even bring up any points you quitr litterally can only defend yourswlf via slop commentary no one gives a shit about you or how you feel or how hasan hurts your feelings cus he's a meanie bobenie were here to actually watch your commentary on israel jesus christ.
thanks for deleting my commnet anyways let me reiterate SIT DOWN AND ACTUALLY REACT TO THE VIDEO NO ONE HERE CARES ABOUT HOW HASAN IS A MEANIE BOBENIE TO YOU AND HOW HE HURTS YOUR FEELINGS WE ARE HERE TO WATCH YOUR COMMENTARY ON IP CONFLICT STOP GIVING SLOP CONTENT AND MAYBE PEOPLE WONT GIVE YOU SLOP RESPONSES PLEASE STOP AVOIFING WATCHING THE ENTIRETY OF BE'S VIDEO AND ACTUALLY RESPOND TO CRITICISMS.
@@chrisangel6833 you're boxing shadows. if you have previous comments not showing, they're getting removed by YT's automation. there's no need to respond to every lie BE made in his video because all of the original VODs that he deceptively clipped from are all still up (excluding the VOD with the initial response which will be back up soon). if you want to know what the full context of what Loner stated in a given clip, stop being lazy and go watch them yourself. his position is extremely clear and has been since before the most recent escalation of conflict began on Oct 7. it's typically a good rule of thumb that if someone is presenting a 5-10 second clip of someone they're critiquing or attempting to smear, it's worth going to the source material to get the full scope of what was said. more times than not, those short clips are used to present the person in a way that does not line up with what they actually said. Terrorist Tamale thrives on doing exactly this. if you're unable to catch that when you watch his content, then I think some serious introspection is required because you're most likely poisoned by ideology.
You're getting utterly humiliated in this exchange. Your responses to Hasan, and BadEmpanada are adorably juvenile, and keep exposing your weak grift. Keep humiliating yourself. 👌🏽
Imagine thinking that Hasan and BE are good at anything other then stroking their own egos and shadowboxing themselves. Lul Hasan and BE fans must be nothing more than stunted zoomers
The article published in the guardian "Not guilty. The Israeli captain who emptied his rifle into a Palestinian schoolgirl" Says everything about their mentality
Love how LB absolutely owns all these clowns. BadEmpanada is an irrelevant little gremlin whose videos are insanely lazy and innacurate compared to LB's, so he goes absolutely insane over LB i love it. BE is stupid but very funny to observe
"How am I supposed to know the takes of these loser youtubers?" he says... while watching a video of someone presenting their takes in bad faith and then commenting on it with more bad faith. Is his chat being fooled by that complete brain rot or what? I don't understand how people are so willingly blind.
One thing I've noticed on the right is that all the content creators have the same audience with the same message for the most part. While on the left most left wing content creators have messages for competely different audiences. The TYT, Hasan, Kyle Kulinski, Destiny, Brianna Joy Grey, FD Signifer, Contrapoints audiences all seems to be completely different groups with mostly or in part unalienable goals. And they all kinda hate each other lol
He did say that before the BE hit piece. That’s the clip BE is referencing when he’s claiming LB said a bunch of stuff about the x rays. Except BE lied, because that’s what he always does lol
@@abelmh34 youre not fooling anyone with this fake appeal to logic, lonerbox is clearly an idf (geno) apologist who just by "mistake" is also linked with the ex israeli spokesman
@@NestNext If your best is to say Loner talking with someone who is bad (shocking!) is somehow evidence of support for genocide, you're lost. Imagine how you'll react with literally any journalist, also didn't Hasan talk with a Houthi?
@The_Gaming_Pear I guess he did that on stream or Twitter, because I don't see any response video yet. It'll be out in the next few days, mark my words.
@The_Gaming_Pear The latest video he has posted on his main channel was four days ago. Are you talking about badempanadalive? I'll check that channel, but I don't consider it his main channel.
Not sure how people have so much trouble understanding your point re: the bullets. The weapons the IDF uses, in the context in which they are used, are not pinpoint accurate. Therefore, you can't take a body with a gunshot wound to the head and conclude that they were deliberately sniped.
I think the problem is getting into the nuance of the situation and explaining it reads as running defense for the IDF which not is what lonerbox is doing at all, but it appears that way to bad faith people who want to paint lonerbox as uncharitable
@@Artofcarissa Guys, there's nuance to the Russian invasion of Ukraine and the war crimes it has committed. Come on, have some nuance. You guys are pathetic.
Hasan's brain has turned to mush, he's permastuck in one of the April fools caricatures he used to play. Hasan thought he had seen it all before the Oct 7th attacks, that he was hardened; but nobody is ever prepared to see the atrocities of war, muchless a seemingly endless stream of FPVs from victims of the aftermath. I think Hasan's been traumatized and this reactionary responses is some sort of self soothing. We should all hope that every generation has less of an appetite for war. This crisis certainly isn't cut & dry and there is certainly a lot of blame to go around. But the extreme that many have fallen into is so out into outer space it's incomprehensible. This crisis is the lefts QANON moment and Hasan might as well have his face painted red, white, and blue with a bison carcass hat. I hope he pulls through but I doubt it, but he has no idea how lost in the sauce he is. I stopped subscribing after 3.5 years shortly after Oct 7.
This is false, watching many hours of this creators content will reveal how much time is spent on researching the matter of fact. Yet you came here to vomit shit into this comment section.
Meeting with people you dont agree with and visiting the places you criticise isnt the same as supporting or agreeing with IDF actions. You should meet people you dont agree with more often, maybe that will give you a reason to touch some grass.
@ he sides and defends israel at default. Now shut up you imbecile. If you can’t see someone for what they are even when they show it online for multiple hours a week you’re just thick as shit.
There are dozens of idiots such as your self that recieved an answer to where you can find the VOD posted, Use your eyes to read before you shit out this garbage.
@@heyimgoingtoplaysomegamesHey give up on the failed streaming career Lil GUP.... No one wants to watch some camless 40 year old play games on his PS4 haha... Get a job failure.
@@Nughuffahsuch a ridicolous excuse lmao, why was that the ONLY one that took two whole weeks for that? Which btw makes the only actual point that he properly addressed (the one of the very beginning, BE saying that he "denied the valididy of the x-rays") kinda irrelevant, you can't accuse someone of "mischaracterizing you" when you hide the video one could check to be sure about it. He's the only one at fault for any mischaracterization
@@lorenzobarducci8353 to be clear he was away covering the American elections and his normal editor was on holiday- the direct response BE and you all could have caught live if you had been motivated enough to. The VODs themselves where Loner had previously discussed not just the NYT report but also the CBS reports, all of those VODs were always up and available- the *only* VOD that took a beat was the VOD that this video was cut from. I would teach your whole little group how to navigate youtube to archive and search/query footage that gets delisted in exchange for a few hours of work indexing conflict material for me, should you ever want to learn how to use RUclips . In all seriousness, the VOD playlist is there, nothing was hidden, these videos as well as a wealth of other posts, clips, and social media interactions have been public- feel free to reach out if you think I can be of some assistance
Nothing was deleted - all of the VODs in question have been up, and remained up, during the past months in between this discourse starting and now. You can find them by going to the Channel page -> Playlists -> VOD Playlist and pick the specific video (In this case "mehdi hasan vs eylon levy debate" is the one you're looking for) to determine this for yourself!
I really appreciate Lonerbox's coverage and method of communication. Too many creators monetize rage and pass it off as news coverage- Lonerbox does a great job of centering facts, not feelings.
@@dqrkmqgic6398 BadEmpanada said jews are disgusting and genetically inferior. Every single one, not just zionists. He LITERALLY said that. (jk just cosplaying BE)
@@Upstatetrash you cannot refuted his statement, so you turn to ad hominem, smearing his character. Remove your comments lest others not so forgiving as I am see it and laugh at you.
@@ucanhvungoc7133 They weren't 'snipers' Like Acne scarred BE claimed haha. Suggesting people with scopes were gunning down children because of an X-ray is so profoundly stupid... If a child got sniped by .338 there would be nothing to X-ray. It is infinitely more likely that it was collateral damage (as seen in similar highly urban (Hamas using human shields) So the claim LB made that 'I don't believe sniping kids in the head as a matter of Israeli policy' makes total sense. 1-5 IDF fatalities in Gaza are friendly fire. Stop being such an embarrassment haha. Please learn anything at all lil GUP
Hasan spent many many years fake laughing and projecting to his loyal Frohans that Empanada was a terrible person. Now he has to repackage Empanada as a hero and baaabahh based… There is now a high probability that Hasan collaborates with Sneako, and Andrew Tate during his rebranding arc, and brings back his cancelled Turkish show, Bro Tip
Correct, little 3’1 boogie man from Miami isn’t scared to go outside and speak to anyone he disagrees with face to face. Bro Tip stays locked in his mansion room, needing you in his Twitch chat to tell him he’s always right and amazing for 8 hours a day lol
@@sevenninethree9546so now hanging out with sneako is different to platforming and talking with him? How are you so good at gymnastics? At the end of the day a genocide is happening right now and you are here grovelling at the feet of a streamer who gets paid trips to a genocidal ethnostate.
@@sevenninethree9546 so now hanging out with sneako is different to platforming and talking with him? How are you so good at gymnastics? At the end of the day a genocide is happening right now and you are here grovelling at the feet of a streamer who gets paid trips to a genocidal ethnostate.
@LiteralCountryofChadisBased destiny interacts with them on cam to tell them that their takes are trash and debate their ideas though. Hasan has people on to fluff then up.
both "mehdi hasan vs eylon levy debate" (original VOD that was clipped by BE for his video) & "Hasan callout oh no chat is this real | US deadline for Israel expires | America memes" (the original VOD that this video was cut from) are in the VOD Playlist! If you go to Channel -> Playlists -> VOD Playlist | you will find both of them there :)
@@Csjsjz it's almost like he didn't deny the x-rays or something.. If you are concerned about the article that *did* question the x-rays, I believe even that author, after being rebuked by the NYT, has been deleted - that being said, if you can find the date or title of the stream that you think that he did this in, please let me know and I can give you a hand to look for it. I have searched through VOD transcripts trying to even place what it is that you commenters have been discussing to try to see if I couldn't *find* what you mean, but alas. Have a good one regardless!
Terrorist Taco LMAOOO
terrorist tamale 🫔
@@theAbbeBusoni1 The Nasty Nacho
Lolibox or Dronerbox is better.
The bigoted Burrito
Fascist Fajita
hi I'm a new viewer, I loved your interview on H3
Remember when Ethan went after Vaush for his lolicon folder? Yeah, this guy defended it. Hilarious and sad at same time.
@@LiteralCountryofChadisBasedbro stop brigading. Go back to HasCord or whatever
@@benross9174 I also don't like Hasan. Nice try though.
@@LiteralCountryofChadisBased What do you mean by defended it?
@@Wate He said there's nothing wrong with having a lolicon folder. Don't be dense.
Im not up on all this drama but either way children are being shot. Why are you debating whether or not they were aiming at the head when regardless they were clearly aiming at a child. It also doesn't help when IDF troops literally brag about it. Like, why are you trying harder to obfuscate than the actual soldiers?
Some people just prefer being truthfull. He said Israel does enough horrible shit that there is no need to fabricate details to make it seem even worse. A claim about snipers was made, he read the report, and called out the lie. Why is that wrong? How are the people inventing stories not the ones obfuscating from reality?
@@shanebennett325 he is trying to convince us that idf is not that bad actually and gaslighting everyone when confronted with reality
@@jaime19700he is literally justifying the idf and its horrendous cleansing of gaza, and your telling me he only cares about the minute details but supports palestine? What are you even talking about? This is just apologetics and disgusting propaganda
Good comment. So many people commenting here are just on one team or the other because it's their favorite streamer. But sometimes people are able to just assess the content matter and wonder what the hell is wrong with these people.
So by your logic, is it okay to say that Hamas were beheading babies on Oct 7th? It’s blatantly untrue , but they do kill babies so I guess it’s okay to exaggerate it right?
Can someone help?
I'm half an hour into the video and all I see is "facts and logic" vibes trying to debate whether those kids shot were killed intentionally or by accident by the IDF.
I was expecting that bad empanada's clipping of Loner's video meant that he took out the part where Loner said "it wasnt snipers, probably killed by regular infantry, still horrible and fucked up", but I didnt see any of that.
Instead I see you hyperfocusing on whether Israel has an official policy of killing palestinian kids or not. Does it really matter if it's official? Does the Israeli government and the IDF really deserve to be defended over that?
Per their own admission 16 thousand civilians have been killed, and the Gaza Health Ministry claims at least 11 thousand children killed.
Does it really warrant debating whether it was intentional, whether it was marksmen, whether it was 99 instead of 100 kids killed with bullet holes in their head, or in their arm, or wherever, when the israeli government has killed at least 10 times the number of civilians they lost since the start of the war?
Why is Loner going all out "debate bro", "ackshually" over this minute point?
I have been a long time fan of you Loner, particularly for your main channel, and I'd be willing to talk about this in one of your streams if you let me.
Lol this white colonizer BE is specifically saying it's Israel policy. Lonerbox is saying there's no evidence of that and then says that IDF soldiers are embolded by the lack of accountability in the justice system
@@snfDoctorneat. So when did BE say this was policy? Because he certainly didn’t in this video. Loner is claiming because it’s not not policy it likely wasn’t intentional. BE is claiming regardless of policy, the issue is systemic, which implies intent
the idea that just because something isnt an official policy it isnt systemic is just idiotic.
For example if in a competely unrelated "conflict" one side used commanders who used civillians to investigate possibly deadly tunnels and then these commanders where never removed from there position this would practically all but officially permit these actions. Doing this would permit other commanders to carry out similar actions aswell as showing that there is no real issue with carrying out warcrimes. This is just one way that armies can permit warcrimes to become systemic without implementing them as "official policy". Alot of the most evil things comitted by armies where not official policy; this does not mean they were isolated events or came from nothing. Anyone who disagrees with this -certainly anyone who professes to be on the left- should really learn how systems (more specifically systems of hierarchy) permit acts of oppression discrimination etc from occuring.
@@tobysmith2081 what did he say?
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I dont know why wouldn't they have bad intent after Oct 7. I'm not saying this as Pros or Cons, but fact. My problem with the whole issue is that we want to say one side is better than the other but we see the same destructions and barbarism from BOTH sides.
For example, the soldiers graped women on Oct 7 which is horrible, then the IDF do the same on video in jail cells, wtf. How can someone side with this bs? like what can you say?? "It's ethnical and clean because they're the brazzers??"
The NYT article said 44 doctors nurses and paramedics had seen *multiple* preteen children shot in the head or chest. If they’ve seen multiple each, it seems like a number in the hundreds is likely. All the anecdotes used are not about snipers, but it does seem like you’re trying to play off a pattern of killings as accidents, which to an outsider seems naïve or dishonest which is probably where a lot of the hate is coming from
Thousands of children have died, the likelyhood that some were killed by bullets is high for various reasons beyond just war crimes while also probably war crimes, apparently pointing that out is denying it???
I feel like there's a clear misunderstanding of what he's saying here. let me play devil's advocate for a moment -- hundreds of kids implies that every person interviewed had little to no overlap in patients seen by other interviewees. alternatively, it's equally, if not more, possible that the people interviewed saw many of the same patients.
for the sake of this example, we'll bump the figure of 44 doctors, nurses, and paramedics up to 50 - there are numerous possible scenarios where for every X healthcare workers, the exact same patient was seen during their time in a given facility. now, let's assume that, on average, the number of 'multiple preteen children' seen is 6/person. we'll also assume that for every 10 healthcare workers, the same patient was seen by all of them during their time in the hospital. so now, for every group of 10 healthcare workers, they've seen 6 different patients of this nature. there are 5 groups of 10 healthcare workers of which each group sees 6 different patients, meaning this scenario only has there being around 30 total patients being discussed.
fwiw I'm not indicating the hypothetical above is true. what I am indicating though is that Loner's stance is there simply is not enough information from the NYT article for people to infer that hundreds of children were shot in the head by snipers, that they were shot by a sniper or other weapon, OR that it was deliberate (at least on scale).
This assumes that there is no overlap what so ever. Chances are that a lot of these paramedics saw the same X-rays. I think the article confirmed like 13 so a realistic real estimate is probably more like 20-50. I wish none of them were dead but tragedy is no excuse not to think through your assumptions for a second.
@@jellewijckmans4836 13 unique cases for the Doctor that worked there between March 25th and April 8th so 15 days. She saw a new case almost every day.
Prob wouldn’t be each because there’s not 44 hospitals, so you’d expect groups of them have seen the same kids, but regardless it’s sad no matter how many. I think he’s saying accidents because there are probably awful soldiers but a high percentage are probably accidents because the baby is not their target. That doesn’t mean sloppiness or this many accidents is ok
Sound like you are defending genocide.
Got a timestamp?
aint no genocide
Lonerbox, I understand most of your points, but I do feel like this defence is rather flawed. The centre of the argument is the dead kids, and you're stuck on the hill of how many are intentionally killed. Logically some will have been accidents, and as you said in the video, some were certainly intentional killings. You're in a losing position by trying to argue the logic of what percentage might not have been murders, which they can frame as genocide apologia. All parties here agree that the IDF is committing war crimes, and that there is a portion of the cases mentioned in the article are probably intentional. By getting bogged down in semantics about however many may have been intentional just lets them smear you and strawman you.
Are you saying Loner's arguments are bad, or just his optics?
Why lie tho? Should we just ignore people spreading misinformation because it does not further our agenda? or because it's uncomfortable and bad optics? Plenty of reasons to rightfully critizice Israel and the IDF. Making up facts only gives more ammunition to crazy right-wing zionists to deflect and ignore international pressure to keep committing atrocities. Hasan and BE are useful buffons blinded by either blood-thirst or clout that make putting pressure into reaching realistic solutions harder. They are no different from ultra zionists that make up lies about the Palestininans to justify their colonial enterprise. They want this to keep going forever so they can virtue signal and farm content.
@@betagoodness Neither. OP is saying that Lonerbox is arguing on the wrong end of the issue.
No, his argument centered around policy.
LB stated that these kids were shot and killed, but the ammunition could’ve been used from a variety of guns, so we can’t know if snipers were utilized.
In addition, he argued that 13 children were found shot, opposed to the claims that “hundreds” of kids have been sniped.
He argued that we can’t really know what happened to these kids for sure without further information. Some could’ve been shot intentionally, others by accident, but treating this incident as 100% knowing it was intentional by IDF policy is muddying the water.
LB acknowledges a systematic issue regarding war crimes by IDF soldiers, but his position is that it’s unlikely this is direct top-down policy to start sniping random children.
I don’t think this is a losing position, unless you consider seeking truth in a complicated situation as a “loss”.
@@Kobet2seeking truth😂 that's antisemitic 🎉
make your vod public.
the VOD was never privated! you can go through the Channel page -> Playlists -> VOD Playlist and find the video in question "mehdi hasan vs eylon levy debate" easily enough,
Why have you been hanging out with Israeli government spokespeople?
@@romanticlizard because he's just a chill guy
@@NestNextim a chill guy and i dont hang out with feds
Why are you regarded?
Eylon levy is not a cool dude some would say hes a tosser
This is suppose to be a positive thing, reaching out to people you might not agree with.
If you are against Israel I suggest first going to Israel before holding an opinion.
"targets move fast in combat situations" is a pretty insane thing to say about hundreds of children, some were toddlers. Free Palestine!
he's saying they may have been shot due to a missed shot on a different target - hence 'targets move fast' as in they are easy to miss. I don't know how you somehow interpret that as "the reason they were shooting children in the head is because they move quick :) " it literally doesn't even make sense, Video games have honestly destroyed people's understanding of real life combat... combatants and police aim for centre of mass i.e. a target's torso area, which is also around the same height as a child's head because they are roughly half the size of an adult. If someone is moving it's very, very difficult to intentionally shoot them in the head because it's a much smaller target. There's other factors too, children are more likely to be shot in the head because their head to body ratio is larger than an adult, as you grow up your head grows disproportionately so small children have a 1:4-1:6 head-body ratio while most adults have about a 1:8 head-body ratio.
"We saw a number of children with sniper injuries to the head, a single shot to the head. No other injuries. So clearly, they were deliberately targeted by Israeli snipers, and yeah, that was day after day" -
This quote also doesn't make sense, a single shot anywhere doesn't indicate that someone was deliberately targetted, if there was multiple shot wounds people would also point to that as evidence that they are being deliberately targetted and it would actually be stronger evidence. People are hit by stray bullets very often, police are not even supposed to fire at someone if there may be people behind or around them and when a combatant does intend to kill someone they fire multiple times. You don't take a shot and wait to see if they died then fire again. This would be awful if it were true, we would all be in agreeance, but you can't infer that from the information given. Do you guys really not care about this? Like if you were on a jury for a court case and cops were firing at a suspect and one of the shots went through someone's house and into a child's head would you rule that as manslaughter or murder?
@Aspecscubed I did not mentioning head. See how you focused on the word "head" while I did not mention it at all. The head was not the point at all. Head, body, same thing. The huge mass, mass majority of their targets are women, children, doctors, journalists, students and so on.
So, my point still stands. It is pretty, pretty, pretty INSANE thing to say that about hundreds of children (in that case, because in total it is thousands of children). Saying "targets move fast in combat situations" as some kind of "free-pass" reason to give them for targeting so many civilians. Which they do target. They did not miss and it does not give them any free pass to do so and there is no way any sane person can defend this.
I’m starting to think this empanada might not be good.
Dare I even say bad
he’s been a very bad empanada
psycho empanada actually
Bad Empanada doesn't defend apartheid
@@JustSomeReptile he just says all israelis should get the wall, because thats a good position to have in your mind ?
nice photo you have with Eylon Levy
Haha
@@AS-ln5gu watchout! Dont dare be seen with those dirty jews!!
"Erm those children shot in the head might not have been done by snipers, just OTHER IDF SOLDIERS" such a joke. Dozens of cases of people being shot by snipers unarmed, civilians murdered directly by soldiers, this is some of the most disgusting apologetics i have ever seen.
“Erm akshully Israel doesn’t have a policy of shooting kids in the head, therefore the precise headshots were mostly accidental”
There is literally NOTHING wrong with what he said at all. He has specified in cases where there a satisfactory amount of proof that the IDF soldiers intentionally harmed civilians or unarmed people that it's BAD, a WAR CRIME and SHOULD BE CONDEMNED. But it's not enough for you freaks, you hear what you want to hear and you cry about completely mangled points even when the proof of the opposition is sitting in front of your face for an hour long. You're a gross disgusting person and you don't give a shit about this conflict at all, you just want a side to play on.
He’s not even being apologetic of the IDF. He’s just saying there’s no evidence that they were killed purposefully by snipers, so why does Nazi Nacho lie about it? Does that not concern you that this man is blatantly lying about this serious topic? Is it okay to lie and say that Hamas beheaded babies on Oct 7th? Is correcting people who lie about that being apologetic towards killing babies? It’s insane how impossible it is for you to see nuance
@ I’m far more concerned about the 100+ babies/kids shot precisely in the head than the type of gun used. What do you think the error rate is of a rifle? Is it extremely high?
@@tobysmith2081 Why do all of you drones do this thing where you COMPLETELY sidestep the point being made by saying this same line: "I'm personally way more concerned with X rather than getting hung up on debate bro details." THE ENTIRE POINT IS THAT HE IS BLATANTLY LYING. THE LYING MATTERS BECAUSE THE GREATER CONTEXT OF THE LIE IS TO MALICIOUSLY FRAME LONERBOX AS A MISINFORMATION HATEMONGER. It's genuinely so fucking frustrating reading these dogshit comments
really enjoyed you on h3 last night, thanks for taking it seriously and answering all the crews questions.
The crew's questions were hard to listen to. Lonerbox has such an obviously far greater understanding of the factual details of the ongoing conflict in the middle east. They were out of their depth...
@@gennybee lol wtf is this thought process? They ask questions to learn.
@myztikgohan I agree with that but unfortunately they weren't asking questions to learn, really. They were more or less rhetorical statements in question form that showed their lack of nuance.
@@gennybee give them a break. Ethan likes politics, but h3 is a comedy show at the end of the day so I don't think it's fair to expect the crew to be used to publicly discussing these issues. Plus some of them have had family in scary situations during this war, so it's understandable that they'd be emotional. It wasn't an intentional rhetorical trick. I think it's nice that LonerBox said he didn't mind their questions.
@MomoIsMyHero I don't disagree with anything you said. Just voicing my personal opinion. For me, it was hard to listen to them kind of flounder.
Not gonna lie it's pretty sureal he would just lie blantently like that, I assumed he was atleast representing your opinion semi accurately
This is literally all of BE's content, his videos are insanely low effort and misrepresenting his opponents positions. The guy is a hilariously bad video essayist
BE lies intentionally all the time. He does not care. And to any sane person this is very obvious. It also is obvious to hasan who has called BE a psycho in the past, which he is totally correct on. Hasan only flipped as he is a manipulative pos himself.
bro has not interacted with commies
How do you know he lied when loner refuses to unprivate the original video everyone is claiming is the source of Lbox’s X-ray denial
@@tobysmith2081 because he literally shows what he actually said in this video
Crazy to see pro genocide creators allowed on this app
By that I mean u lonerbox
How is he pro genocide?
@ because he supports Israel
Hasan isnt even the largest political streamer on twitch anymore since asmongold decided to farm trump clips. Lil gup dropped down to number 2. Hate to see it
What number is Destiny?
@wishzk higher than you
@@wishzklil bro attempt :1. Ratio: Failed. d3waynn3 wins. Please don't pipe up no more, nobody wants to hear you yap😂😂😂
@@wishzk relax lil gup. You're a Hasanabi head because you're an uneducated failure haha, hate to see it!
Asmongold is gonna destroy his channel if he keeps leaning into politics lol
They’re dressed as civilians cause they are civilians dude. wtf. That’s their country.
Civilians don't shoot at every jew they find buddy.
@@WrathOfPhropetI wish my mind was as simple as yours.
@@Sham-zo8mu you're the one who thinks that Hamas are good guys who don't do war crimes, not me
@@WrathOfPhropetimagine being this dense
@@WrathOfPhropet most intelligent israeli:
Haven't watched yet but man Ethan saying "I want to show more alternatives for Hasan" must've really hurt his little feelings 😢 lol. Hasan responding more to that than any actual points Ethan brings up lol
2 zionist agreeing with each other. Lol
Yep, LB got called Temu Hasan by our favorite millionaire leftist.
@@LiteralCountryofChadisBased and you agree with BE... 2 IRL failures, mad at the world looking for any cause that you can make your entire personality to feel less like a failure. You have no education haha! Embarrassing
@@thesovgc with how much Hasan loves China I'm surprised he says that in a bad way lol
@@averya7443 this is ridiculous. I think hasan is most sad about his so callled friend defaming him without reason. Hasan has probably more viewers that H3 you idiot. Lol.
“Fascist Fajita” got a big laugh out of me.
It is funny in the sense that not knowing that Mexico and Argentina are different countries perfectly encapsulates Lonerbox's ignorance
Free Palestine!✊️
free Skibidistine
@@DragonnRider ✊️🚽
NOT THE FASCIST FAJITA 😭
So in what sense, manner or creed is BE a fascist? Asking for a friend
@@gengar1187no, these people and loner box specifically clearly have no idea what they are attempting do speak on, fascism is a far right ideology and BE is a communist. This dude literally defends Israel shooting kids in the dome with snipers. He would be closer to a fascist than BE considering BE is on the exact opposite side of the political spectrum
@@gengar1187 Probably the joke is labeling him a fascist with no evidence. Kinda like BE lies to label others for a living on the internet.
He is not a fascist but he certainly acts like one. Labels anyone , anything. Absolute loser @@gengar1187
Debate lords are soo out of touch with reality. You can talk about ratios and children dying but to see it and experience it… it’s a whole different reality for those people. They live in hell while you judge them behind your computer screen in your comfortable house with the central heating and electricity
Badempanada is just like nick Fuentes imo. If you listen to them and agree with them on anything I instantly think you're suffering from some kind of mental health problem.
lmao what even is this echo chamber level talking point, "yeah badempanada is like a nazi so dont listen to them or agree on any point if you do then you are ill" bruh
Fuentes tends to dance around his real positions, giving relative non-crazies enough plausible deniability to believe that he’s not such a nut. Gross Guacamole wears his beliefs on his sleeve
@jogiff "gross guacamole" 😂😂😂 I love how you and others took the clever Latin American food nicknames that lonerbox did and expanded on it.
@@chrisbrown7090 that’s weird. Same goes with Lonerbox. Dude defends Israeli warcrimes and down plays them. Everyone that listens to this guy and gives him any credibility is ignorant, complacent and mentally ill. Dude has photos with Eylon Levy and is besties with destiny.
Nah seppos arent human
This is a terrible video Lonerbox should be ashamed. Everything he accuses Badempanada and Hasan of doing he literally does in this video.
You mean he is misrepresenting BE's misrepresentation of him? This would be incredible cinema if BE is actually a chill guy and never went after LonerBox, and LonerBox is clipping him out of context to fabricate beef with himslef.
@@jaime19700 Not BE but he does clip Hasan out of context and is clearly trying to create beef with him. So yeah
This isnt remotely the case, please give examples.
@@Darkfuturistis Hasan's content on Lonerbox not considered 'beef' by your standards?
@MrGreyGames He clips Hasan out of context, something he accuses BE of doing. He asked for evidence of BE claim of the "hundreds" and proceeds to cut off BE's justification for his use of the term something he accuses BE of doing to him. You should watch Hasan's reaction video to BE and judge for yourself. He also misrepresents multiple sources, including the UN sexual violence October 7th report and the NYT article that spurred this video in the first place. Overall, it's just a terrible video.
Badempanada is probably on par with maga or even worse if you think about it
@@monsterhunter445look, you miss the point. You dont need to be rIgHtWiNg to be "on par with MAGA"
I dont even care about his ideology. Does he even have one? He is simply a very obvious psychopath, who intentionally lies and character assassinates for views/money in a cold blooded manner.
can't really name why but you sure are in your feelings lol
weirdo terrorist apologist losers.
@@ldan90v10Too based for your american brain.
He’s absolutely worse
Side comment, the X-rays are really disturbing.
that's the antisemitism speaks. We cannot say it shus
Let’s not acknowledge reality with all these children in chat present
X-rays are antisemitic
@@heyimgoingtoplaysomegames quit RUclips while you're ahead if it was going to happen it would have already you pathetic loser haha!
You think Lonerbox is the one not seeing the reality? But BE after lying about the article to further his cause?
Yes finally! You guys need to respond to unhinged empanada more often
Lonerbox chills with Eylon levy haha
You showed 6 seconds of your stream responding to someone saying the photos were fake to prove that at no point in your stream you analysied the photos? Real conclusive. That's not the same thing. How about you unprivate the vod?
You should not be expecting Lonerbox to analyse X-Ray images as he is NOT a medical pro and this is a rediculouse statement.
However, Lonerbox does state that the images WERE checked by professionals.
What else do you want?
Should Lonerbox go to the frontline in Gaza to report live? Does he need to see the images firsthand for you to suspend your ignorance?
@MrGreyGames are you replying to me? I thought it was clear I thought it's ridiculous that he would try. And his attempts at doing it would be ridiculous. Hence, no serious person watching him should take him seriously about his conclusions.
@MrGreyGames Yes, the images were inspected by professionals and they independently came to the conclusion that these children were targeted and it's beyond what's normally seen in battlefields. I'd expect a reasonable, impartial person to respect their conclusion. Not try and come up with any and every dumb guy reason to cast doubt on that conclusion.
@MrGreyGames The cognitive dissonance is on the part of Lonerbox. It's honestly absurd how willing he is to defend the state of Israel. As if it can't and doesn't defend itself. No one calls out Lonerbox asking him to defend Israel and the IDF. He does this stuff on his own volition and the backlash he gets seems to fuel him on. The backlash doesn't explain why he started. None of his subs wonder why he's so intent on doing it? At the least if you're not an expert, have no first hand evidence and can't actually refute experts, just... Stay out of defending a state that's been found to have plausibility committed genocide and sit on the fence until it's been decided by experts and the law? That is if you don't want to try and prevent the genocide from ongoing. But why Stan for the potential genociders? It's absurd from even a liberal centrist POV.
Make the VOD public then
I think this is said video (the first one that BE responded to in "Genocide defenders got worse"), and the first part where he talk about the other one was added later. Or at least I hope, considering how he rehashed ridicolous arguments that were already addressed there (like the "accidental misfire" one, just Christ what an insanely dumb argument)
This is the VOD you fucking idiot, it starts when his shirt is changed to a white shirt
WHICH VOD? If you mean the multiple hour regular stream that this video was cut from, THIS VOD was published alongside THIS video last night; if you mean one of the multiple VODs where the NYT, Guardian, or CBS doctor reports were discussed, You can always find the VODs in the playlist! If you navigate to Loner's channel page -> Playlists -> VOD Playlist, you are likely looking for the following VOD titles: "New Pager Attack info | Reading ig", "mehdi hasan vs eylon levy debate", "Hasan callout oh no chat is this real | US deadline for Israel expires | America memes" (The FULL aforementioned VOD that this video was cut from), or one of the many others. All of these VODs with the exception of the "Hasan callout oh no chat is this real | US deadline for Israel expires | America memes", are put onto the playlist at the end of stream. You can even search transcripts and navigate to specific timestamps related to whatever it is you're looking for. Hopefully this helps you to navigate RUclips a bit more efficiently!
@@svlphurno, the VOD he privated so that everybody could see he was being cut out of context...or rather so they couldn't see that he wasn't cut out of context? Something like that, the whole reason for privating was dumb and illogical, so I forget the exact excuse.
Are you deaf and blind?
Lonerbox states multiple times the reason why its private.
Do you need it in Braille?
why were you in a car with Elon Levy?
He went to Israel to interview people. He also interviewed palestinians.
@@kingcobra8840 do cars magically transfer beliefs from one brain to another?
@@kingflynxi9420 you shouldn't consider yourself a pro Palestinian if you shake hands with the man who was the main propaganda mouthpiece for Netanyahu since October 7
@@GBGB000 he also shook hands with him
@@kingcobra8840you do realize that if you act like an incorrigible ahole to people you disagree with, they tend to not be receptive to being interviewed and clam up? I swear, none of y’all have any sense.
The way you are running away from the whole scale slaughter of kids is disgusting. You should be ashamed of yourself.
He hasnt. He has called it out, but he has also called out the lack of evidence for some claims. That is how things should be. You should be ashamed of not being skeptic of any information which is not backed with truth.
He literally made excuses for Israeli snipers killing kids and laughed at the mass rape of arbitrarily detained Palestinians
Hasan doesn't even like BadEmpanada and previously said he would never watch him on stream. Crazy how his priorities change depending on who he hates.
When did he EVER say that bro? You are straight up making all of that up.
Why do you weirdos lie so much? Seriously. Its freakish.
@@no-ic5gwfound the hamas simp
Hes never said this
what you watched every second of Hasans career to confirm he didn't say that? He called him unhinged on stream lmao
@@DuppyBoii187 thanks for the distinct lack of contribution to the discussion. Not only do you have no proof in favor of your point, you are begging the question while at the same time I bet you don't even watch Hasan to have any context.
I award you no points.
Israel's lawyer sounds bout right
Whose going to forward this to Noah Samson. He said he wanted to see some evidence of some of BE's behavior
@@manchesterunited9576 Like doxxing a teenager on twitter.
What a useless pussy he turned out to be
Why? Noah Samsen is of a kind with SyphalliticEnchillada.
@@sypherthe297th2 It was meant to be sarcastic. Noah is completely partisan and would never react to this.
Although I would enjoy watching him try to defend this
@@andrewhaxton1076 Samsen is unwatchable. Even worse than his horrible takes is the favt that I constantly find myself thinking his mustache should be on a watchlist for child predators.
Is there ever a clip of Hasan where he isn’t eating on stream and choosing to talk while his mouth is full?
Is this what you took out of all this? Brainrot lol
No
Does LonerBox consider what israel is doing a genocide?
Him being in a pic with Eylon Levy makes me think he would NEVER
No because it isn't haha... It's a war Hamas started and then when the IDF started up the wood chipper, Hamas hid in their network of tunnels they've made from diverted humanitarian aid money. Those tunnels directly under civilian infrastructure (and a disturbing amount of UNRWA collaboration) violate the Geneva convention, effectively turning Gaza into a battleground. Please learn anything about the world you live in. You tankies are such failures it's wild haha!
Nope
@@tacoman3725 it's not a genocide lil gup haha
If you're more worried about what someone calls something over their actions/remedies to alleviate/exacerbate the situation you've taken a misstep.
Whether or not Lonerbox called it that, would that make his stances any more or less valid?
Why’d you make Hasan look like that in the thumbnail when he is objectively better looking than you 😅
You literally have done multiple hit pieces on Hassan , they even included his picture in the thumbnail and just to clarify this was before he ever came for you
Yep, granted that is exactly what happens with the other side but you guys justify it with arguments like "small channels can go after you, but you don't have the right to go after small channels and reciprocate".
Wait so it's somehow wrong to call people out on their bullshit and lies? Is that really the hill you are going to die on in defense of Hasan? Lol
Remember Hasan saying bigger channels attacking small channels not fine, but vice versa is great.
lonerbox GENOCIDE APOLOGIST
LonerBox in BadEmpanada's delusion: These xrays are fake
LonerBox, actually: These xrays are definitely real and have been verified by experts
shameless 💀
@@shaheerislam1059 Exactly. He should do that.
Did we watch the same video?
those xrays are definitely fake as fuck and haven't been verified by literally anyone
Ive been so excited for BE to be mentioned, he is probably my favortive channel to hatewatch on youtube. The propaganda he spews and the agruments that take place in the comment section are UNHINGED. Very entertaining, 10/10, would not recommend to people overly susceptible to propaganda.
The number of people who go “oh his videos are good his twitter side is unhinged.” Nah man. That’s called ideological capture. You *think* his videos are good because you have a bias for his position. Even his video essays are unhinged slop.
@@FarmerClarence the dude is a fucking loser lol... He's bad on facts, looks disgusting and seems like a genuinely bad person haha
Please show me then. I've watched BE. Seems much more well sources and analytical than 90% of youtubers.
@@whatdatdogdo If you actually watched the video you're commenting on, you'd see him blatantly lie about LonerBox and make loads of outlandishly stupid claims with absolutely zero evidence.
@@nystagmus3535 Seriously. He confidently spews blatant lies about history on his channel throughout pretty much all of his videos. I've realized that his fans are not rational actors, so instead of trying to sway their opinions, I now prefer to sit back and enjoy the clownshow.
12:45 buddy you imply the argument if you react of children with bullet in the head and you are like hum people make decision in 2 sec you try to imply there si a level of accentatility, its 100% fair.
Even if the guns were not all snipers, how can you have hundreds of children with gunshots to the head? If that was normal for conflicts, we would see that reflected in most other conflicts. Instead the only conflicts that I could find that contain so many children being shot in the head or the chest are the Srebrenica Genocide, the Rwandan Genocide and this conflict since October 7th which doesn't exactly help your point.
Oh, and this may be anecdotal but I read up on snipers, because of your claim of Mehdi not knowing how snipers work. Snipers take their time and typically can wait for a very long time, sometimes hours or even days, for the perfect shot. Ideally with a stationary target but not always. And we have testimonies of Palestinians with stories that indicate their children being deliberately targeted like a father who said his son got shot out of his arm and when he started looking for him, he found him several meters back on the ground and as he approached his son, his son was shot again. You can run cover for Israel all you want but these are inescapable facts that you wishfully swat away in order to ignore any valid criticism of your takes.
Also sometimes you don't need a direct policy from the top and instead just need a culture of impunity like we've seen with police officers in the USA. You don't need a policy in the police force that creates racist outcomes and disproportionate violence towards people of color, you just need a culture of impunity where cops know they can get away with things without any consequence and we see that reflected culture reflected in the IDF. The whole reason why former and active IDF soldiers come out about the corruption and crimes within the IDF through organizations like Breaking the Silence is (as the word "silence" indicates) because there is no significant accountability in the IDF for major breaches of international law and basic Palestinian humanity.
One, we don't know the extent of the true number and the doctors reported on both head and chest shots, Two, we do not have evidence of what most the bullet types even are. Three, "If that was normal for conflicts..." The Gaza strip is one of the most population dense places on Earth and is almost entirely urban. This conflict is unique by all standards. As LB pointed out, 49 out of the 258 IDF deaths have come from friendly fire alone. Clearly this is a unique circumstance. Again, LB doesn't deny the possibility, but he would need to see actual evidence. No evidence yet has been presented about the nature of what exactly happened with the kids those doctors saw.
Also, "take their time for the perfect shot" sounds like you just watch too many military dramas. Snipers don't aim for the head to kill. You saw it with Trump, the head is one of the most mobile parts of the body. It is simply not feasible unless the target is not moving. Especially since center mass contains just as many vital organs as your brain. It's also contradictory by your own logic, how can you set up a "perfect shot" for a mobile target headshot? Huh? Like, if it comes out there is verifiable evidence most of the kids' death was due to intentional IDF killings, it's not gonna be long-range snipers setting up a mile wide scope shot. It's most likely gonna be infantrymen with rifles and marksmen.
Also, also, Lonebox directly touches on the systemic lack of accountability in the IDF. He talks about it. You're not disagreeing with him here.
For sure I agree with the observation, just in terms of placing Srebenicza in this discourse- I fully see the comparison point especially again in the North with how they separated men and women with not so much as a discussion over what or why that "what" was happening. Unfortunately the person that Loner was responding to doesn't actually believe that the Genocides in Bosnia happened, by comparison Loner does.
the debate that happened on the VOD that BE took these clips from actually goes over this, I remember after I first watched through the BE criticism video that I started to read a bit more about when it is legally that such insane levels of 0 accountability, where the apathy becomes a willful inaction that leads to harm in some way, either by military means or against a civilian population - I stumbled across *this* international-review.icrc.org/articles/reason-to-know-in-the-international-law-of-command-responsibility-919 which might be interesting for you to read, largely because it gives case studies for people who might also be interested in how laws impact military responses. I do think that what happens and has has happened in the occupied territories suggests a culture of inaction, that may not be policy but reaches the threshhold of a crime according to LOAC, something that should further be examined by the ICC when we continue to talk about the prosecution of war crimes conducted by Israel.
On what Loner agrees to: that sniping someone means that you are without a doubt shooting to kill, there is an intention in the action. There will be some that are accidents due to things like misidentification, although like he and another caller a different time were talking about: it seems very difficult to say "misidentification" when you are talking about little children, just in terms of height alone it's kind of outrageous to think that there will be any real "misidentification" in such cases. Loner has also since gone through the Younis Tirawi documentary/interview with the sniper unit that was responsible for some of these killings around hospitals in the Winter of 2023 & 2024, where they explicitly state that they created Kill Zones (something he believes is bad as well - just in case you were concerned), he says this is a violation of law and it needs to be addressed, but because of the overwhelming lack of accountability in Israel towards the IDF, he has genuine concerns that this will not be investigated and even if it were, that the punishments given will be so low and not match the severity in sentencing that you would see a similar crime conducted against the IDF or Israel at the hands of a Palestinian.
Pro genocide says what?
you said the word lil gup
Janice sighed
Jog on commie
no the pro genocide people are the ones who just managed to get trump into office again so all the jews can finally go back to philistine to start the rapture, try and keep up
"Waahhh gEnOcIdE wahhh"
Im pretty sure MapEmpanadas minions won't flood the comments
Lolibox defend Vaush drawn cp folder. Calling BE a map just shows how desperate you losers are.
@@LiteralCountryofChadisBasedNice way to prove the commenter correct. The irony is palpable
@@absolutelyscrumptious7552 My comment didn't prove the comment correct. You're just dense.
@@LiteralCountryofChadisBased bad empanada is a pedophile
@@LiteralCountryofChadisBased You kind of did though. Are you not making a comment? Because I can see 2 and that kind of is doing exactly what you said you aren't doing
Bad Empanada wrecked you bro it’s ok 😂
He literally didn't tho
Only a person with chimpanzee level intelligence thinks that way :DDD
@@CaptainTowllloner laughing at dead babies 😂😂😂😂
Naziempanada
@@CaptainTowllbro is in denial
Weren't you seen hanging out with Benyamin's personal spokesman ?
No???
Weren't you seen praising Nazi's as they attacked minorities in the street before joining them?
I have as much proof as you do about Lonerbox right now so I'm going to assume you are a Nazi.
I saw you and Gargling Guac fucking kids I’m pretty sure.
@@CaptainTowllyes indeed he was, but you are braindead so what’s the point?
@CaptainTowll there's literally a picture lmao
You have sold your soul. Absolutely foul genocide apologia.
I'd love to see you making more heavily edited video essays. I love what you're saying but the format could be more engaging and concise. Either way keep it up! It's refreshing to have someone not trying to sensationalize or bend truth to back up their opinion. ❤
If he lied about you then unprivate the vod and prove it.
he wont because he is terribly afraid
which vod? because the VODs that BE clipped from are still available! If you go to the Channel page -> Playlist -> VOD Playlist -> "mehdi hasan vs eylon levy debate". It has been available since that stream ended that day, and has never been pulled down
Hopefully that helps!
It's public. Why are all of you guys spreading easily disproven misinformation? Is this a bot farm or sth brigading the channel?
@@svlphur The other vod where he did forensic analysis of the dead children.
@@googane7755 H.A.S.A.N. method
You have fallen so low Lonerbox. I guess that's what you gotta do these days to keep the clicks coming.
So true, sticking to facts-based reasoning is such a downfall! I wish Lonerbox could return to making content that doesnt challange my world view!
As an Australian, I apologise for this man.
The most bloodthirsty person in this country, with the possible exception of Martin Bryant.
He's literally one of the 3 decent human beings out of that shithole
Martin Bryant didn’t do it
@ been smoking shards mate?
@@fritznovak4482 have you watched interviews with Bryant, watched the interviews with his neighbors, friends and people that knew him? I’ve read the materials and watched all that stuff. Bryant didn’t do it.
@ be careful mate, shards will ruin your life.
Your H3H3 appearance was great, and Hasan is just mad that Ethan's fans loved you.
The delusion in this comment 😂
@@Sham-zo8muit's true and you're just as deranged and unliked. Have fun crashing and being on the wrong side of history! 🙌🏻✌🏻
@@Blivant"Wrong side of history" is hilarious. You pro-genocidists really do steal everything, even talking points lmao
?@@Sham-zo8mu
how much has the IDF paid you in the last year?
Whatever Hasan gets paid by Assad
Just occurred to me the quality of these sources in the description is unrivaled. Shoutout to LB's editor, this is some serious work on top of the timestamps
Why not actually engage with the arguments being made? Why obfuscate?
You shouldn't be throwing stones. You lost all credibility quite a while ago
Uh oh! All of the crazed quesadilla’s brainrotted goons and alt accounts are out in full force. 😂
The LonelyBox told you to reject the evidence of your eyes and ears. It was his final, most essential command.
@@CoolCommenter-YesIndeed All you have to do is watch the first 5 minutes of the video to find evidence of that empanada guy lying about LonerBox's positions. Imagine having to lie about someone's positions to make them look bad..
I just realized that Hasan has the same critique of LonerBox’s take that people had of him with the 10/7 rapes.
Hasan said “I didn’t say 10/7 rapes never happened, I said they weren’t systematically done by Hamas” and rages at any one who claims he denied rapes.
But now that LonerBox said “I don’t deny some IDF soldiers shot kids, I just don’t see any proof of it being systemic.” All of sudden Hasan is losing his mind.
So is that logic only ok when it comes to himself and not anybody else?!
The difference is there is evidence of systemic sexual violence by Hamas and Hasan did deny it/play it down. Meanwhile LB only said it’s not clear how they were ending up shot. Since it’s not. And the article didn’t say that it was either.
So Hasan’s not a hypocrite. He’s just a liar.
Yeah but Hassan DID say they didn’t happen and changed his tune later on when pressed on it.
there is proof of it being systematic by the IDF. i've just seen insane amounts of people cherry-picking what reports are credible to them based on vibes only
@@swordfisheyYes, there’s plenty of clips of Hasan doing that. That dude is honestly one of the worst people in politics
YOU CAN’t ACCIDENTALLY RAPE PEOPLE LMAO
Unprivate the VOD if he's lying about you. Prove your innocence. I dare you.
So these are the marching orders? "I DARE YOU" lmao who tf do you think you are lil bub ruclips.net/user/liveDZLWK7QO8PQ?si=NK9TByzzLB0MV1q9&t=4299
@@lonerboxlive
Marching orders are what you receive mate, critically thinking demands evidence which you could've provided but only did when pressured.
No integrity.
@@lonerboxlive Okay, now how exactly were you clip chimped?
@@lonerboxlive Nice! We can now see the VOD, tysm. No need for the incessant insult though, kinda comes as a little rude doesn't it?
@@CoolCommenter-YesIndeed I've always wondered how someone talks when they have an 80 IQ. Fascinating.
Can’t believe I never heard about this guy before 😍
He's fantastic- such a breath of fresh air
BE truly is the best, free Palestine, love you guys
@@heyimgoingtoplaysomegames you're an uneducated retarded failure haha... Hate to see it Lil GUP ;)
@@heyimgoingtoplaysomegames colonizers get the wall
Thanks for coming on H3, family! This attack in the beginning that hasan is watching is what all his sycophants used to attack us and you in the comments. Glad you’re addressing it! ☮️ and ❤
Make the vod public.
25:32 lmao criticisms? Those criticisms do nothing lmao. The turkish govt willfully changed a secular nation into a terror hole. What is criticism from a clown going to help
Sorry did the guy LonerBox is watching really try to say you shoot someone in the head instead of chest when you want to kill someone. When you shoot someone at all it's because you want to kill them...?
??? You're not even responding to BE actually make a video responding to BE and stop giving slop drama responses when you bring in low effort commentary expect to get it back in return.
how do you like not even sit down and watvh thr video to its entirety your so disengenous and you dont even bring up any points you quitr litterally can only defend yourswlf via slop commentary no one gives a shit about you or how you feel or how hasan hurts your feelings cus he's a meanie bobenie were here to actually watch your commentary on israel jesus christ.
thanks for deleting my commnet anyways let me reiterate SIT DOWN AND ACTUALLY REACT TO THE VIDEO NO ONE HERE CARES ABOUT HOW HASAN IS A MEANIE BOBENIE TO YOU AND HOW HE HURTS YOUR FEELINGS WE ARE HERE TO WATCH YOUR COMMENTARY ON IP CONFLICT STOP GIVING SLOP CONTENT AND MAYBE PEOPLE WONT GIVE YOU SLOP RESPONSES
PLEASE STOP AVOIFING WATCHING THE ENTIRETY OF BE'S VIDEO AND ACTUALLY RESPOND TO CRITICISMS.
@@chrisangel6833 you're boxing shadows. if you have previous comments not showing, they're getting removed by YT's automation.
there's no need to respond to every lie BE made in his video because all of the original VODs that he deceptively clipped from are all still up (excluding the VOD with the initial response which will be back up soon). if you want to know what the full context of what Loner stated in a given clip, stop being lazy and go watch them yourself. his position is extremely clear and has been since before the most recent escalation of conflict began on Oct 7.
it's typically a good rule of thumb that if someone is presenting a 5-10 second clip of someone they're critiquing or attempting to smear, it's worth going to the source material to get the full scope of what was said. more times than not, those short clips are used to present the person in a way that does not line up with what they actually said. Terrorist Tamale thrives on doing exactly this. if you're unable to catch that when you watch his content, then I think some serious introspection is required because you're most likely poisoned by ideology.
Surely Hamasabi will make a statement soon addressing what he got wrong in these clips right?
You're getting utterly humiliated in this exchange. Your responses to Hasan, and BadEmpanada are adorably juvenile, and keep exposing your weak grift. Keep humiliating yourself. 👌🏽
Bad Empanada literally asked for pictures of dead children to masturbate to while Hasan talks about the glory of Hamas. Loner clears easy.
@@Nughuffah > literally
> talks about a fake tweet
This is why you fools eat up anything Bonkerlox says. You are brain dead
@MikaelLima2210 not surprised Hasans deranged, Jew hating cock sleeves would stick up for a fellow anti smite and a pdf file
Imagine thinking that Hasan and BE are good at anything other then stroking their own egos and shadowboxing themselves. Lul Hasan and BE fans must be nothing more than stunted zoomers
You must've switched to porn in the start of the video.
u look like u spike drinks
and BE actually does
I miss when hasan had his chair comment on the news
The article published in the guardian
"Not guilty. The Israeli captain who emptied his rifle into a Palestinian schoolgirl"
Says everything about their mentality
Hasan has lost the plot man
Love how LB absolutely owns all these clowns.
BadEmpanada is an irrelevant little gremlin whose videos are insanely lazy and innacurate compared to LB's, so he goes absolutely insane over LB i love it. BE is stupid but very funny to observe
Name one thing BadEmpanada has said that is incorrect?
@@poerava Did you watch the video?
@@RanEncounteryes that dude basically goes, I’ve never said pro Israeli propaganda and bad empanada dumb
@@dqrkmqgic6398 Do you always have trouble with basic English? Which comment do you think you replied to?
@@dqrkmqgic6398 Do you always have trouble understanding basic English? Which comment do you think you are replying to?
"How am I supposed to know the takes of these loser youtubers?" he says... while watching a video of someone presenting their takes in bad faith and then commenting on it with more bad faith. Is his chat being fooled by that complete brain rot or what? I don't understand how people are so willingly blind.
Body Odor Empanadas chat ate bots. No one actually watches that loser
One thing I've noticed on the right is that all the content creators have the same audience with the same message for the most part. While on the left most left wing content creators have messages for competely different audiences. The TYT, Hasan, Kyle Kulinski, Destiny, Brianna Joy Grey, FD Signifer, Contrapoints audiences all seems to be completely different groups with mostly or in part unalienable goals. And they all kinda hate each other lol
Really enjoyed the conversation you had with Ethan yesterday. Just subscribed to you. :)
Am I tripping, or did you really just use a clip of you as a defense against the xray denial and pretended you said that before the BE video?
What do you mean by pretended?
He did say that before the BE hit piece. That’s the clip BE is referencing when he’s claiming LB said a bunch of stuff about the x rays. Except BE lied, because that’s what he always does lol
you might have misunderstood. it appears different because the clip used misses out longer context, but it’s from the same video.
The question i have about you: Are you easily manipulated, dense or malicious?
Haha, who can take LonerBox seriously? His babble is good comedy though.
Very cool !
Did you really had a blast with a ministry of propaganda of a certain state?
this is an example of resolving cognitive dissonance by attacking someones character instead of responding to the substance an argument
@@abelmh34 youre not fooling anyone with this fake appeal to logic, lonerbox is clearly an idf (geno) apologist who just by "mistake" is also linked with the ex israeli spokesman
@@NestNext If your best is to say Loner talking with someone who is bad (shocking!) is somehow evidence of support for genocide, you're lost. Imagine how you'll react with literally any journalist, also didn't Hasan talk with a Houthi?
@@abelmh34 LB’s meeting is so damning wtf are u on about
@@NestNextfake appeal to logic lmao 😂
The cognitive dissonance from clowns like you, is insane
BE is most likely fuming right now, i predict at least ten videos release within the next few days.
He literally already responded to this vod
@The_Gaming_Pear lmao that's awesome.
@The_Gaming_Pear I guess he did that on stream or Twitter, because I don't see any response video yet. It'll be out in the next few days, mark my words.
@@FarmerClarence Borther it is literally on his main channel
@The_Gaming_Pear The latest video he has posted on his main channel was four days ago. Are you talking about badempanadalive? I'll check that channel, but I don't consider it his main channel.
Not sure how people have so much trouble understanding your point re: the bullets.
The weapons the IDF uses, in the context in which they are used, are not pinpoint accurate. Therefore, you can't take a body with a gunshot wound to the head and conclude that they were deliberately sniped.
Hila just went on raids in Ramallah. She didn't do anything wrong.
I think the problem is getting into the nuance of the situation and explaining it reads as running defense for the IDF which not is what lonerbox is doing at all, but it appears that way to bad faith people who want to paint lonerbox as uncharitable
@@Artofcarissa Guys, there's nuance to the Russian invasion of Ukraine and the war crimes it has committed. Come on, have some nuance. You guys are pathetic.
But have you considered Israel bad? 🤡
@@SS-xr7jf Yes Israel and America are bad.
What’s your point?
I liked you before. Damn you fell.
And you like Hasan? Sure he fell.
Hasan's brain has turned to mush, he's permastuck in one of the April fools caricatures he used to play.
Hasan thought he had seen it all before the Oct 7th attacks, that he was hardened; but nobody is ever prepared to see the atrocities of war, muchless a seemingly endless stream of FPVs from victims of the aftermath. I think Hasan's been traumatized and this reactionary responses is some sort of self soothing.
We should all hope that every generation has less of an appetite for war. This crisis certainly isn't cut & dry and there is certainly a lot of blame to go around. But the extreme that many have fallen into is so out into outer space it's incomprehensible. This crisis is the lefts QANON moment and Hasan might as well have his face painted red, white, and blue with a bison carcass hat.
I hope he pulls through but I doubt it, but he has no idea how lost in the sauce he is. I stopped subscribing after 3.5 years shortly after Oct 7.
I unsubbed as soon as he started fake crying on Leftovers. It was gross.
You, calling someone dishonest is absolutely hilarious at the moment. You’ve sold your soul my brother!
This is false, watching many hours of this creators content will reveal how much time is spent on researching the matter of fact.
Yet you came here to vomit shit into this comment section.
Say what he is being dishonest about, if you think he is.
Lonerbox you could have been an authentic creator. But you have sided with the IDF. How has bad empanada lied? Were you not in israel with eylon levy?
Meeting with people you dont agree with and visiting the places you criticise isnt the same as supporting or agreeing with IDF actions.
You should meet people you dont agree with more often, maybe that will give you a reason to touch some grass.
@ he sides and defends israel at default. Now shut up you imbecile. If you can’t see someone for what they are even when they show it online for multiple hours a week you’re just thick as shit.
Love the projection. Speaking of dishonest you should make the vod public.
There are dozens of idiots such as your self that recieved an answer to where you can find the VOD posted, Use your eyes to read before you shit out this garbage.
nice deleting comments
Shhhh his fans get mad when people acknowledge reality, like the photo of him with Eylon Levy
@@yukinae_here nice failed Anime clip channel lmfao. Autistic and tanky.... Your life is simply a series of failures like gup, hate to see it!
@@heyimgoingtoplaysomegamesHey give up on the failed streaming career Lil GUP.... No one wants to watch some camless 40 year old play games on his PS4 haha... Get a job failure.
Yup that's totally happening. That's why I keep coming across BD fans in the comments.
@@VersusHearts my comment was deleted, i have screenshot as proof
Still favouring condescension and sarcasm over facts and sources i see. Shame on you loner box
Facts? Lmao he has facts on his side, its condescending behaviour which is employed by the likes of BE
Why did you private the VOD though?
He says it in the video, he gave it to his editor to polish and post. Try listening some time.
@@Nughuffahsuch a ridicolous excuse lmao, why was that the ONLY one that took two whole weeks for that? Which btw makes the only actual point that he properly addressed (the one of the very beginning, BE saying that he "denied the valididy of the x-rays") kinda irrelevant, you can't accuse someone of "mischaracterizing you" when you hide the video one could check to be sure about it. He's the only one at fault for any mischaracterization
@@lorenzobarducci8353 to be clear he was away covering the American elections and his normal editor was on holiday- the direct response BE and you all could have caught live if you had been motivated enough to. The VODs themselves where Loner had previously discussed not just the NYT report but also the CBS reports, all of those VODs were always up and available- the *only* VOD that took a beat was the VOD that this video was cut from. I would teach your whole little group how to navigate youtube to archive and search/query footage that gets delisted in exchange for a few hours of work indexing conflict material for me, should you ever want to learn how to use RUclips . In all seriousness, the VOD playlist is there, nothing was hidden, these videos as well as a wealth of other posts, clips, and social media interactions have been public- feel free to reach out if you think I can be of some assistance
@@lorenzobarducci8353oh look its another dumb Bad Taco and Hamas Piker simp. Oh no. Lol
Also I love how ur debunk is sourceless and maybe u shouldn’t delete shit so it’s harder to misrepresent you.
Nothing was deleted - all of the VODs in question have been up, and remained up, during the past months in between this discourse starting and now. You can find them by going to the Channel page -> Playlists -> VOD Playlist and pick the specific video (In this case "mehdi hasan vs eylon levy debate" is the one you're looking for) to determine this for yourself!
@ as of right now I can’t find it doing exactly as u say or by looking up the exact title and lonerbox
Hypocrisy, thy name is humanity.
I can't believe Hasan used his real voice to make fun of Lonerbox
I really appreciate Lonerbox's coverage and method of communication. Too many creators monetize rage and pass it off as news coverage- Lonerbox does a great job of centering facts, not feelings.
BadEmpanazi
That's just plain inaccurate...
@@caimaccoinnich9594it’s a nickname
Jewish badempanda watcher here your insane and this is insulting
@@dqrkmqgic6398 BadEmpanada said jews are disgusting and genetically inferior. Every single one, not just zionists. He LITERALLY said that. (jk just cosplaying BE)
BadEmpanada lying about you by showing videos of you literally saying the things he's accusing you of.
@@stephendavis4809 lol so low IQ and uneducated with poor media literacy haha. No wonder you're a Hasan fan... Hate to see it haha!
@@Upstatetrash you cannot refuted his statement, so you turn to ad hominem, smearing his character. Remove your comments lest others not so forgiving as I am see it and laugh at you.
@@ucanhvungoc7133 They weren't 'snipers' Like Acne scarred BE claimed haha. Suggesting people with scopes were gunning down children because of an X-ray is so profoundly stupid... If a child got sniped by .338 there would be nothing to X-ray. It is infinitely more likely that it was collateral damage (as seen in similar highly urban (Hamas using human shields) So the claim LB made that 'I don't believe sniping kids in the head as a matter of Israeli policy' makes total sense. 1-5 IDF fatalities in Gaza are friendly fire. Stop being such an embarrassment haha. Please learn anything at all lil GUP
it may take you a few tries to understand the video. i believe in u
Yeah people have never been taken out of context or misrepresented ever on the internet...
Make ur VOD public?
You are one piece of work, your parents must really want you outta their basement.
Hasan spent many many years fake laughing and projecting to his loyal Frohans that Empanada was a terrible person. Now he has to repackage Empanada as a hero and baaabahh based… There is now a high probability that Hasan collaborates with Sneako, and Andrew Tate during his rebranding arc, and brings back his cancelled Turkish show, Bro Tip
Destiny defended Sneako and Nick multiple times and streamed with them multiple time as well. You guys are so good at being delusional.
Correct, little 3’1 boogie man from Miami isn’t scared to go outside and speak to anyone he disagrees with face to face. Bro Tip stays locked in his mansion room, needing you in his Twitch chat to tell him he’s always right and amazing for 8 hours a day lol
@@sevenninethree9546so now hanging out with sneako is different to platforming and talking with him? How are you so good at gymnastics? At the end of the day a genocide is happening right now and you are here grovelling at the feet of a streamer who gets paid trips to a genocidal ethnostate.
@@sevenninethree9546 so now hanging out with sneako is different to platforming and talking with him? How are you so good at gymnastics? At the end of the day a genocide is happening right now and you are here grovelling at the feet of a streamer who gets paid trips to a genocidal ethnostate.
@LiteralCountryofChadisBased destiny interacts with them on cam to tell them that their takes are trash and debate their ideas though. Hasan has people on to fluff then up.
Why dont you unprivate the og vod so we can see the orginal context?
both "mehdi hasan vs eylon levy debate" (original VOD that was clipped by BE for his video) & "Hasan callout oh no chat is this real | US deadline for Israel expires | America memes" (the original VOD that this video was cut from) are in the VOD Playlist! If you go to Channel -> Playlists -> VOD Playlist | you will find both of them there :)
Neither of those are the videos BE refers to when he said loner denies the xrays
@@Csjsjz it's almost like he didn't deny the x-rays or something.. If you are concerned about the article that *did* question the x-rays, I believe even that author, after being rebuked by the NYT, has been deleted - that being said, if you can find the date or title of the stream that you think that he did this in, please let me know and I can give you a hand to look for it. I have searched through VOD transcripts trying to even place what it is that you commenters have been discussing to try to see if I couldn't *find* what you mean, but alas. Have a good one regardless!