With colour you can tell a story, with black and white you can write a poem. Each requires discipline and sensitivity to the properties of the image. A kingfisher’s feather has more specificity in colour. It has more descriptors. It belongs more directly to the real world. In black and white it can be more like a suggestion, conveying the idea of flight. Leica makes the best tools for photography. You make the best reviews of Leica.
Excellent. Leica has been hitting the ball out of the park lately. SL2 is amazing (I have one) and the M10 Monochrom is as well. I’ll have to get this one eventually.
What a beautiful and informative video and even more delightful photography. You're a true master of your craft. After your thoughtful M10 Mono analysis I've set my eyesight on this baby, no matter what... :)
Carl Stawicki it’s very impressive. Where’s before I was thinking an expensive camera that has no colour, is not worth it unless you have money to burn, now is a camera that would be worth trying to get.
Phase One has followed Leica into monochrome territory... it's a medium-format and costs about $50K USD, but on the other hand it makes the Leica price look not so high ;-)
I still believe that monochrome is a fad in today's photography. People are jaded with all the saturated colours we can achieve with digital images now and monochrome offers a respite from saturated and over sharpened images.
Hey :) Thanks for mentioning our conversation in Zurich! I really like my Fuji X-H1 and it‘s film-simulations such as acros (b&w) or velvia. As I said I couldn‘t live without colour-photography but some pictures don‘t need colour at all. I just did some test-shots with my fuji in b&w at ISO 320, 1600, 12600, 25600 and 51200. Surprisingly the noise isn‘t that annoying until 25600. With 51200 the picture is becoming blurry and noisy. However, the fuji has an APSC-sensor, „just“ 24MP and costs less than a quarter, so I‘m quite happy with my results ;) As you said: the Leica is a niche-camera for enthusiasts and definitely nothing for everyday-use or amateurs. Have fun with your new gear! Jan
Very appetising illustration of the low light capability of this niche camera and the pleasing noise which goes with high ISO settings. To match the sensor and get the most out of its high resolution capability, which M lenses do you use and recommend ? This is new territory for M lenses. I think you had a modern 35 summicron F2 attached. Any suggestions ?
Lovely video!! Could you let me know your camera setting? When I take a photo in the middle of night at the beach, there are no light, My M10M live view could not show me anything....Of course, I turned on exposure simulation... I think your setting is different with mine. Could you advise some tips?
Amazing camera and sensor and another great video from you too. The sensor knocked me out with your images rendition and makes me wonder why other camera makers try and sell us such high ISO setting cameras that their sensors cannot cope with. I agree this is a niche camera for those especially who do fine art monochrome work. But if I had the money I would not hesitate to buy one. I just have my Q2 which I love and am very happy with for now. Regards.
Excellent video, and thanks for the nice walk around Zürich! It's fun to see posters in German, French, and English too. I have not been to Switzerland yet, but I plan to visit Genève next year.
it seems that you are using a matte-textured screen protector for your cameras. what is that brand of screen protector? also a a question on the M10M (i suppose this applies to all M10 in general). does its multi-field metering still cause a "shutter shock" (which actually introduces vibration causing unsharp pictures especially in slow shutter speeds)? thank you.
I splurged last year, sold quite a few cameras, and have now both an M10-M and M10-P, I use the -M 3x to 4x more than the -P. OK, I like B&W, But the detail, the resolution, you get from the -M is simply amazing. Shoot at ISO 50000 at night. It works!
I kept the images "flat" as out of the camera RAW - but you can adjust contrast in camera for JPG development or you can adjust in post. ISO is impressive on the M10M.
I own one of these myself and love what it allows me to do - i have not used it at 100,000 but it does seem clear that there is banding going on though.
It's impressive, for sure, but take the colour information from most full frame cameras and you'd achieve very similar results. It's an old trick that some people try and pull off; pass off noise as atmospheric, black and white grain.
If the sensor is panchromatic (dont know too much about digital lol) then you could actually make colour pictures by the ancient three-colour method also known as the trichrome process. Now that would be a fun experiment
Software in the camera (Leica M10 Monochrom) can be used to extend the exposure time to a maximum of 16 minutes in ISO 160. In ISO 400 max. 8 minutes. In ISO 800 max. 4 minutes. In ISO 1600 max. 125s. In ISO 3200 max. 60s. In ISO 6400 max. 32s. In ISO 12500 max. 16s. This is important by astro photography. In ISO 160 you can use 8,12,16,24,32,45,60,90 or 125sec. And 3,4,6,8,12 or 16 minutes.
Interesting video, thanks for making it and sharing. The hi iso low light shots looked pretty impressive, although, it did look like there was some banding evident which I briefly noticed a couple of times when you zoomed into a darker area, but such views where only a fraction of a second or so, so difficult to look very closely at.
I shoot Canon only because that’s the only camera brand I own. Took the blind test, surprisingly the set I like the most is Leica. I hate that because of Leica’s price tag.
Sir, your "sensor protection" is actually your shutter. So if there is getting dust/dirt on it during lens change, your camera will die because of the shutter. The sensor is protected with a coverglass that is actually pretty tough. FYI
Just a quick remark: I don't think the noise looks anything like analogue noise. All I see is horizontal lines in the noise, that you would never find in film.
And I thought I had many cameras, man thats a lot of Leicas. I wish I could justify a Leica, but I need a 600 f4, so stacking pro Nikon bodies it is ;)
I don’t own a Leica but the advent of the Monochrom has moved me to set my Canon DSLR to B&W, I know you can take raw photos and change to B&W in post and setting to B&W is throwing away the colour information but the point is to take photos that are B&W as an appreciation of the medium. I know the quality won’t be the same as the dedicated Leica Monochrom but I wonder if I can tell the difference. I’d have to hire a Monochrom to be able to tell. But currently I’m enjoying using the Canon in B&W. I’m not taking B&W full time, just when the mood takes me.
Interesting, thanks for sharing, Daryl. If you come to a comparison with a dedicated Leica Monochrom, please share your experience and impressions from shooting the two cameras side-by-side.
Left them intentionally as out-of-camera RAW. Post does the trick. For JPGs you can adjust contrast, sharpness etc. in-camera if post processing is not in scope.
It’s one of the most groundbreaking cameras in 20 years. @40 megapixels monochrome it’s effectively 120 megapixels in color. You are lucky to have one.
??? Your math is quite interesting. But even if it was true, due to unprecise or too slow manual focussing you would endup with 80% of not critically sharp images and loose 50-70% of those pixels, also if sharp, what are you going to do with 120MP of boring low contrast BW that looks like 1962? Just more lifeless because grainless?
Bernhard Ess Just calculate that there are red, green and blue sensels dedicated to calculating color, those are now all gone and every sensel is just calculating a shade of grey. There is no focus issue, that’s fake news.
@@williaminbody205 In theory this is all nice, but in practice the samples of the M10 mono did not look particulalry rich in detail, some where misfocussed or unsharp. Anyway, I hardly ever miss more resolution, all cameras that I have already offer more details than I really need (24 and 26MP). I had a b&w phase many years ago I almost exclusively shot bw, I now like color as well and i am happy that I can choose :-)
Bernhard Ess There’s no doubt monochromatic photography is alive and well, a quick look at Instagram and tour of galleries around the world proves this without argument. The M10 monochrome will produce many of those future photographs. Manual focus lenses using focus peeking and other techniques are very sharp, and autofocus is often abandoned in the studio for final focus. Modern autofocus lenses are inherently less sharp then manual designs. Sorry, just how it is.... can’t change physics.
@@williaminbody205 You are right, it hasn' t lost it's appeal to many. However having an only BW camera limits you - obviously - to only shooting BW. And even if your resolution calclations are correct , most of the time resolution is not an issue anyway. Most photos end up on the internet, where resolution is no issue. The impact of a good photo is rarely or even never created by tiny details or textures, but by the photographic quality. Cartier Bressons BW images have very modest resolution by today's standards. Any converted image from a color digital camera with APSc or even m43 has more resolution. But by any means, if you like that, have fun with the Leica monochrome.
Wish I had the spare cash for this camera . It is a luxury item or for someone who can make money at selling the quality of the Monochrome images from this camera. It is just sublime
Let's do some math for Bayer sensor 1. Bayer sensor do use at most 50 percent of light hitting the sensor and generally 33 percent of light. 2. Out of those 33-50 percent light sensor semiconductor uses less than 50 % of light. Now overall sensor uses 16-25% of light projected by lens. 3. Out of those 16-25 % of light, very efficient Ad converter and image processing can convert only 70-80 percent into really signal and even that signal isnt clean because of noise produced by sensor itself. So modern camera sensors can only convert 10-15% percent light into pure signal compared to amount of light projected by lens.
29:40, 🥰 beautiful images. #1 and #4 shows the Kuttelgasse and in both of them, you’ll find the Leica Store 😇. Do you live close to it? Temptation must be enormous to visit at least once a day 😉. I’m there maybe twice the year. 4th today’s waving 👋 from Liechtenstein 🇱🇮 to Zürich.
12:05, ISO dial in M mode: I wrote more than once to Leica, they please should add the possibility to configure the thumb dial as ISO selector if ISO dial in M mode. Each time, I got the ridiculous reply this wouldn’t be possible - what I obviously never will believe them. Btw: I have the normal M10. The necessity to go into menu to change ISO in M mode is maximum inconvenient.
Leica M10-P handgrip, original Leica. Pure black would be nicer but I bought this one for another M10-P and for that camera the black-silver matched so I re-used also on the M10M. And with a silver lens it looks good :)
The iphone vid looks cool in the joe malone candle light....;) The sensor protector is actually the shutter....as it says in the menu..... the lenny kravitz snakeskin should be called the snake oil finish...and certainly this leica has found its niche market here... I do see the attraction to. a monochrome camera....i would like to see it used to take pictures that teach us something about the inequality of life in this world....that would be a good exposure...of the shadows and light this camera is designed to portray... Put the camera to good use.... and just accept it for what it is.. Not what you want it to be. Take care...be well. Matt.
Monochrom cameras have no real advantage below ASA 25000. You can convert with virtually no difference. And when you consider the importance of the content relative to the image quality it pales into insignificance. Those who care so much about image quality should really focus on the image content.
Thank you for the video Sorry, but don't you see the heavy banding? This is nowhere perfect at 100k ISO! However it's a nice camera and I think more companies should build B&W Versions :-)
25:44, there is a next ridiculous thing, Leica maintains, it is not possible to add a button/function to firmware, to disable that super annoying ISO noise reduction on long exposure times - so the replies on my e-mails. If this could be disabled, the M cameras would be THE cameras for night sky photography, because the M lenses are mechanical focus and have a reliable stop at infinity position, resulting in tack sharp stars. Doing night sky photography, you process noise reduction yourself in post to gain full control. The M makes this impossible, because in body ISO noise reduction can not be disabled. The M and SL are afaik the only two cameras amongst all brands this is not possible. The SL2 offers to disable it (was the first thing I checked in Leica Store ZH), I have no clue if the other Leica models offer it or not. 3rd wave 👋 from Liechtenstein 🇱🇮 to Zürich within one morning ☺️
LOIKWAX , nope, you didn’t get it what I am complaining about. Noise reduction on long exposure times means, if you eg make a 10 seconds exposure, the camera adds another 10 seconds noise reduction and makes something. If it’s 40 seconds exposure time, M10 adds 40 seconds “noise reduction”. I am annoyed, I can’t disable that. In fact, I do not know, but I am pretty sure this affects also the raw file by making another image shutter closed and calculating the hot spots off the image. And I am also pretty sure this is also applied to the raw files, because you must wait that extra time even if JPG is disabled and you shoot DNG only. Logic implies, this affects also DNGs. - However: you can not DISABLE this on the M10 and afaik also not on SL. Getting reply from Wetzlar, it is impossible to add that to firmware is quite ridiculous... No such problems for all other brands.
LOIKWAX , that’s exactly what I mentioned also to the support in Wetzlar. The problem in cases like this is: you’ll never get in contact to a person in charge of firmware development. And those support departments have a) a set of standard answers and b) no clue of what’s possessed and what not. Answer like “this is not possible due to the sensor” let me expect this. What the f-word has the sensor to do with that noise reduction on long exposure thing? Exactly: nothing 😆🙈. FYC: I develop software since 1988 and for that pretty sure I got fed by lame excuses 🤦♂️
@@rolandrickphotography yeah.. I don't develop software and I know that NR (or any post-process effect) has nothing to do with sensor haha..! Step your game up Leica people are paying 10K$ for your camera..
K - now that I've seen the high ISO footage at 100k, I have to say, I am not seeing homogenous distribution of noise. There are clearly horizontal lines running through the noise in the shadows; same as I see at high ISO on my typ246 Monochrom. That said, I'm sure that 12,500 on the M10M looks astounding compared to 12,500 on the typ246
Not much of an image comparison with the M246! I completely disagree that the rather ordinary photos at the end could not have been taken with any other camera. Rather, almost any camera could have taken them.
In what specifically is the „Leica Fotos“ a very Advanced remote application for the camera? This app can do some things but to me it does not provide the essential things. It’s an app on a very sophisticated Mobil computer (iPhone) but it does not really use it. I would love to see the app do things : like bramping (holy grail Timelapse), focus stacking , connect multiple cameras and sync them, management of the profiles etc .... I would give it a sufficient. And have you ever tested it under stress! It takes 30 seconds to connect and not every try is a hit. That is the most disappointing part. It connects like a modem from 1996, without sound. Have you ever connected a go pro? The camera is shit but the connecting experience is quit good. This is a magnificent product, but the app need more input from the users. And I doubt that this will come, because they don’t use the app. For me as a professional photographer this app is not my choice to go. I rather use camfi pro. This is a app that is ok good. I get very fast annoyed by the app. Also, it deactivates itself after 2 minutes and then you have to shut down the camera to get the connection back. This user experience is not good. If you have any good to say about this app then I am very curious to hear about. 😀 otherwise : excellent video. ! There are some new wireless microtones from rode, the would minimize the room sound on your videos. 😌 thanxs for the excellent work .... but the app comment got me excited ..... 😂.
Six minutes thirty five seconds in and I’m already excited. Just based on what’s been said and shown thus far, it’s completely obvious I will be hopeless to do anything other than trade up from my typ246.
It better does for $8000... Seriously, you can buy a better specced Pentax along with all the focal range of premium glass, and still have change in your pocket.
While I’m sure the Monochrome is a gorgeous camera the images I’ve seen from it are flat and without any bite or contrast. They need post processing and if that’s the case I would much rather have the option of color as well. Side not that Lenny Kravitz edition is just hideous.
You can adjust contrast, sharpness etc. in-camera for in-camera jpg processing. I left the images intentionally "flat" as out-of-camera RAW. Using them for prints: I would always go through post to get them perfect so no problem for me. On Kravitz: some love it, some find it hideous :)
Please do not watch any leica review video,please.It will made you more angry and jelous about other people.Leica is not for everyone and it is not only a fashion statment and also a superior camera than any other brand.YOU MAY NEVER HAVE A CHANCE OWN A LEICA in your rest of you life.Go to other channel and watch the review about the brand you like. We like Leica no matter what you saying,the reason I replay to you because you annoying everyone.
Klasse Videos! :) ich bin aus Konstanz am Bodensee und gelegentlich mal in Zürich! Hast Du zufällig auch eine Leica M9P im Hause die ich mal testen dürfte? :) Liebe Grüße Kai ; schreib mir doch gerne auf Instagram direkt unter @weltkai 😊
Yes but in all other DSLMs the sensor is always naked when the camera is switched off and lens unmounted, at the M and M10 etc. the sensor is covered by the shutter. That it really is the shutter can actually be seen in the video in the menu entry I used, says "open shutter" :)
mathphotographer you know,leica's range finder cameras don't need a evf,but as you know the DSLMs the must have the evf,so the shutter are always be opened
5:45, treating the shutter blades as protection is totally nonsense and one of the worst photography urban legends ever. The shutter blades are the most sensitive part of a camera and can be destroyed even by a touch of a feather, what will result in a very expensive repair. Even having no Bayer layer (that is the layer making the colours), the sensor itself is never directly exposed and protected by another glass layer. Fuji, Nikon and Sony handling this correctly, the shutter blades are open in power off mode and for that protected. Not so on Canon and Leica (I must assume, this is identical to the S and SL models). Greetings from Liechtenstein to Zürich 👋
Yes, that's the shutter that's why the menu entry says "open shutter". In all other system cameras the sensor is fully exposed when switched off and lens off. What I did not know or expect is that they (your statement) need to be protected even more. They do not look vulnerable but will have a closer look. Thanks for pointing out.
Best detailed and practical Leica M Monochrome review I’ve seen yet. Thank you.
With colour you can tell a story, with black and white you can write a poem. Each requires discipline and sensitivity to the properties of the image. A kingfisher’s feather has more specificity in colour. It has more descriptors. It belongs more directly to the real world. In black and white it can be more like a suggestion, conveying the idea of flight.
Leica makes the best tools for photography. You make the best reviews of Leica.
Nobody:
Absolutely nobody:
Leica: Lenny Kravitz Editon
Excellent. Leica has been hitting the ball out of the park lately. SL2 is amazing (I have one) and the M10 Monochrom is as well. I’ll have to get this one eventually.
I am blown away with this camera. Just wow
What a beautiful and informative video and even more delightful photography. You're a true master of your craft. After your thoughtful M10 Mono analysis I've set my eyesight on this baby, no matter what... :)
Thanks for your kind comment, Alex. Makes my day :)
Superb review! Always enjoy your videos. 👍
Thank you Nick.
This is the best video I've seen so far that demonstrates one the benefits of the Monochrom. It make me wish more companies made monochrome cameras.
Thank you Carl.
Carl Stawicki it’s very impressive. Where’s before I was thinking an expensive camera that has no colour, is not worth it unless you have money to burn, now is a camera that would be worth trying to get.
I often take B+W photos in pitch black darkness.
Phase One has followed Leica into monochrome territory... it's a medium-format and costs about $50K USD, but on the other hand it makes the Leica price look not so high ;-)
I still believe that monochrome is a fad in today's photography. People are jaded with all the saturated colours we can achieve with digital images now and monochrome offers a respite from saturated and over sharpened images.
Hey :)
Thanks for mentioning our conversation in Zurich! I really like my Fuji X-H1 and it‘s film-simulations such as acros (b&w) or velvia. As I said I couldn‘t live without colour-photography but some pictures don‘t need colour at all. I just did some test-shots with my fuji in b&w at ISO 320, 1600, 12600, 25600 and 51200. Surprisingly the noise isn‘t that annoying until 25600. With 51200 the picture is becoming blurry and noisy. However, the fuji has an APSC-sensor, „just“ 24MP and costs less than a quarter, so I‘m quite happy with my results ;)
As you said: the Leica is a niche-camera for enthusiasts and definitely nothing for everyday-use or amateurs. Have fun with your new gear!
Jan
Great we met, maybe again in the future. Happy shooting!
Another great review. Keep up the good work!
Thanks :)
Thanks for al, the work you did for this video! Wolf
Better than I was expecting !
I can't way trying the second hand M10M I've just bought.
Very appetising illustration of the low light capability of this niche camera and the pleasing noise which goes with high ISO settings. To match the sensor and get the most out of its high resolution capability, which M lenses do you use and recommend ? This is new territory for M lenses. I think you had a modern 35 summicron F2 attached. Any suggestions ?
Lovely video!!
Could you let me know your camera setting? When I take a photo in the middle of night at the beach, there are no light, My M10M live view could not show me anything....Of course, I turned on exposure simulation... I think your setting is different with mine. Could you advise some tips?
Amazing camera and sensor and another great video from you too. The sensor knocked me out with your images rendition and makes me wonder why other camera makers try and sell us such high ISO setting cameras that their sensors cannot cope with. I agree this is a niche camera for those especially who do fine art monochrome work. But if I had the money I would not hesitate to buy one. I just have my Q2 which I love and am very happy with for now. Regards.
Thanks, appreciate your comment, Victor.
is it possible to disable the touchscreen on this camera? thank you.
Top notch (no other words needed)
That noise pattern looks indeed distracting. But that's okay, cause you can use super high isos before it even shows up. Sis is a gut Kamera 👍
Great content! Thanks for sharing this!
Thx!
This is my dream camera! I hope I will be able to afford one one day!
In the meantime I will keep shooting b&w films!
B&W film is awesome, I never really made it into film rolls but some friends do and the prints are just beautiful.
I wonder how these files will work in silver efx pro2
Excellent video, and thanks for the nice walk around Zürich! It's fun to see posters in German, French, and English too. I have not been to Switzerland yet, but I plan to visit Genève next year.
Very good video. Do you have the Leica M10D? I’m very interested to hear what you have to say about this camera.
so it shoots for 5K $ only balck and white ?
for this m10 monochrome (8.295$) you could buy a m7(2.500$) and 350x Kodak tri-x (7$) +develop/scan(10$) which is around 12.271 photos.
That “protection” in front of the sensor is the shutter mech
Fotos y Mas , pls see my comment in main thread 😉
See my answer to some comments on that topic.
KOOTHA KOOTHA Problem is that the shutter mechanism is way more fragile than the sensor.
it seems that you are using a matte-textured screen protector for your cameras. what is that brand of screen protector?
also a a question on the M10M (i suppose this applies to all M10 in general). does its multi-field metering still cause a "shutter shock" (which actually introduces vibration causing unsharp pictures especially in slow shutter speeds)?
thank you.
Multi-field metering is included. The matte protector is original Leica.
Awesome!
I want one but am on the fence as I have the M10-P.
I splurged last year, sold quite a few cameras, and have now both an M10-M and M10-P, I use the -M 3x to 4x more than the -P. OK, I like B&W, But the detail, the resolution, you get from the -M is simply amazing. Shoot at ISO 50000 at night. It works!
Very extensive test, the ISO performance of the Leica is impressive. I find the pictures of all reviews very detailed but a bit low in contrast.
I kept the images "flat" as out of the camera RAW - but you can adjust contrast in camera for JPG development or you can adjust in post. ISO is impressive on the M10M.
I own one of these myself and love what it allows me to do - i have not used it at 100,000 but it does seem clear that there is banding going on though.
RUclips video compression. At the Mac the images show no banding.
It's impressive, for sure, but take the colour information from most full frame cameras and you'd achieve very similar results. It's an old trick that some people try and pull off; pass off noise as atmospheric, black and white grain.
If the sensor is panchromatic (dont know too much about digital lol) then you could actually make colour pictures by the ancient three-colour method also known as the trichrome process. Now that would be a fun experiment
please elaborate
Software in the camera (Leica M10 Monochrom) can be used to extend the exposure time to a maximum of 16 minutes in ISO 160. In ISO 400 max. 8 minutes. In ISO 800 max. 4 minutes. In ISO 1600 max. 125s. In ISO 3200 max. 60s. In ISO 6400 max. 32s. In ISO 12500 max. 16s. This is important by astro photography. In ISO 160 you can use 8,12,16,24,32,45,60,90 or 125sec. And 3,4,6,8,12 or 16 minutes.
Interesting video, thanks for making it and sharing.
The hi iso low light shots looked pretty impressive, although, it did look like there was some banding evident which I briefly noticed a couple of times when you zoomed into a darker area, but such views where only a fraction of a second or so, so difficult to look very closely at.
Banding also happens due to RUclips video compressions. In the images as I see them on my Macbook there is no banding. Thanks for your comment.
mathphotographer ....ah, maybe that is what I am seeing - thank you for the confirmation that the banding is not present on your master files
I shoot Canon only because that’s the only camera brand I own. Took the blind test, surprisingly the set I like the most is Leica. I hate that because of Leica’s price tag.
I wonder how one of these would compete with a 100mp fuji gfx image converted to monochrome?
Sir, your "sensor protection" is actually your shutter. So if there is getting dust/dirt on it during lens change, your camera will die because of the shutter. The sensor is protected with a coverglass that is actually pretty tough. FYI
Just a quick remark: I don't think the noise looks anything like analogue noise. All I see is horizontal lines in the noise, that you would never find in film.
And I thought I had many cameras, man thats a lot of Leicas. I wish I could justify a Leica, but I need a 600 f4, so stacking pro Nikon bodies it is ;)
I don’t own a Leica but the advent of the Monochrom has moved me to set my Canon DSLR to B&W, I know you can take raw photos and change to B&W in post and setting to B&W is throwing away the colour information but the point is to take photos that are B&W as an appreciation of the medium.
I know the quality won’t be the same as the dedicated Leica Monochrom but I wonder if I can tell the difference. I’d have to hire a Monochrom to be able to tell. But currently I’m enjoying using the Canon in B&W. I’m not taking B&W full time, just when the mood takes me.
Interesting, thanks for sharing, Daryl. If you come to a comparison with a dedicated Leica Monochrom, please share your experience and impressions from shooting the two cameras side-by-side.
So tell me how can I get the silver trim on my soon to get m10 mono
I think it's the added grip.
Crazy low light performance!
6:58 is there a red light flashing in the viewfinder ??
This is the "Self-Timer" LED on the M10-P series, here it flashes as a warning that the shutter opens.
interesting to see this camera in astronomical photography role
Some of those street shots at the end of video I would like to have them a bit more contrast, but it just me.
Left them intentionally as out-of-camera RAW. Post does the trick. For JPGs you can adjust contrast, sharpness etc. in-camera if post processing is not in scope.
It’s one of the most groundbreaking cameras in 20 years. @40 megapixels monochrome it’s effectively 120 megapixels in color. You are lucky to have one.
??? Your math is quite interesting. But even if it was true, due to unprecise or too slow manual focussing you would endup with 80% of not critically sharp images and loose 50-70% of those pixels, also if sharp, what are you going to do with 120MP of boring low contrast BW that looks like 1962? Just more lifeless because grainless?
Bernhard Ess Just calculate that there are red, green and blue sensels dedicated to calculating color, those are now all gone and every sensel is just calculating a shade of grey. There is no focus issue, that’s fake news.
@@williaminbody205 In theory this is all nice, but in practice the samples of the M10 mono did not look particulalry rich in detail, some where misfocussed or unsharp. Anyway, I hardly ever miss more resolution, all cameras that I have already offer more details than I really need (24 and 26MP). I had a b&w phase many years ago I almost exclusively shot bw, I now like color as well and i am happy that I can choose :-)
Bernhard Ess There’s no doubt monochromatic photography is alive and well, a quick look at Instagram and tour of galleries around the world proves this without argument. The M10 monochrome will produce many of those future photographs. Manual focus lenses using focus peeking and other techniques are very sharp, and autofocus is often abandoned in the studio for final focus. Modern autofocus lenses are inherently less sharp then manual designs. Sorry, just how it is.... can’t change physics.
@@williaminbody205 You are right, it hasn' t lost it's appeal to many. However having an only BW camera limits you - obviously - to only shooting BW. And even if your resolution calclations are correct , most of the time resolution is not an issue anyway. Most photos end up on the internet, where resolution is no issue. The impact of a good photo is rarely or even never created by tiny details or textures, but by the photographic quality. Cartier Bressons BW images have very modest resolution by today's standards. Any converted image from a color digital camera with APSc or even m43 has more resolution. But by any means, if you like that, have fun with the Leica monochrome.
Wish I had the spare cash for this camera . It is a luxury item or for someone who can make money at selling the quality of the Monochrome images from this camera. It is just sublime
OOOOOOMG!!!! WHAT IS THE SNAKE LEATHER!!!????!!?!?!? I LOVE IT!
OMG what a Leica collection…multiple special editions??! 😲
Thanks..just bought one 😅
Leica make it completely black with tiniest bit of white and you put a silver grip and and silver lens on it?
Pragmatic approach to avoid the camera to slip out of my hands :) not a sign of good taste, I agree - you caught me :)
Let's do some math for Bayer sensor
1. Bayer sensor do use at most 50 percent of light hitting the sensor and generally 33 percent of light.
2. Out of those 33-50 percent light sensor semiconductor uses less than 50 % of light. Now overall sensor uses 16-25% of light projected by lens.
3. Out of those 16-25 % of light, very efficient Ad converter and image processing can convert only 70-80 percent into really signal and even that signal isnt clean because of noise produced by sensor itself.
So modern camera sensors can only convert 10-15% percent light into pure signal compared to amount of light projected by lens.
29:40, 🥰 beautiful images. #1 and #4 shows the Kuttelgasse and in both of them, you’ll find the Leica Store 😇. Do you live close to it? Temptation must be enormous to visit at least once a day 😉. I’m there maybe twice the year. 4th today’s waving 👋 from Liechtenstein 🇱🇮 to Zürich.
Yes, Kuttelgasse. And temptation is enormous to stop by and look and then ... :)
I wish somebody made a film noir with this camera
Sigma and their Foveon seasons have been doing this for years and the best bit. Foveon also does colour !
Dude you are a lucky man!!!
:)
mathphotographer let me know next time you’re in nyc to talk leica!
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Thx
black and white makes me see colour for what it is.
12:05, ISO dial in M mode: I wrote more than once to Leica, they please should add the possibility to configure the thumb dial as ISO selector if ISO dial in M mode. Each time, I got the ridiculous reply this wouldn’t be possible - what I obviously never will believe them. Btw: I have the normal M10. The necessity to go into menu to change ISO in M mode is maximum inconvenient.
It is insanely stupid...
Thiis camera looks better at its top ISO of 100,000 than my Canon 5D Classic at its top ISO of 3,200.
Is that a Leica silver handgrip or another manufacturer? Thank you!
Leica M10-P handgrip, original Leica. Pure black would be nicer but I bought this one for another M10-P and for that camera the black-silver matched so I re-used also on the M10M. And with a silver lens it looks good :)
@@mathphotographer agreed!
The iphone vid looks cool in the joe malone candle light....;)
The sensor protector is actually the shutter....as it says in the menu.....
the lenny kravitz snakeskin should be called the snake oil finish...and certainly this leica has found its niche market here...
I do see the attraction to. a monochrome camera....i would like to see it used to take pictures that teach us something about the inequality of life in this world....that would be a good exposure...of the shadows and light this camera is designed to portray...
Put the camera to good use....
and just accept it for what it is..
Not what you want it to be.
Take care...be well.
Matt.
Thanks Matt, appreciate the comment.
Monochrom cameras have no real advantage below ASA 25000. You can convert with virtually no difference. And when you consider the importance of the content relative to the image quality it pales into insignificance. Those who care so much about image quality should really focus on the image content.
Gutes Video. Auf den Bildern sehen die Leicas nicht so sexy aus wie im Video. P.S kann es sein das du deutsch bist ? Wenn ja, feier ich XD
@Alexander Schneider ist ja fast das selbe 😂
Thank you for the video
Sorry, but don't you see the heavy banding? This is nowhere perfect at 100k ISO!
However it's a nice camera and I think more companies should build B&W Versions :-)
RUclips video compression, no banding on computer.
I think that phaseone it’s the only camera that can beat this one in terms of noise. Buy phaseone it’s not a full frame
25:44, there is a next ridiculous thing, Leica maintains, it is not possible to add a button/function to firmware, to disable that super annoying ISO noise reduction on long exposure times - so the replies on my e-mails. If this could be disabled, the M cameras would be THE cameras for night sky photography, because the M lenses are mechanical focus and have a reliable stop at infinity position, resulting in tack sharp stars. Doing night sky photography, you process noise reduction yourself in post to gain full control. The M makes this impossible, because in body ISO noise reduction can not be disabled. The M and SL are afaik the only two cameras amongst all brands this is not possible. The SL2 offers to disable it (was the first thing I checked in Leica Store ZH), I have no clue if the other Leica models offer it or not. 3rd wave 👋 from Liechtenstein 🇱🇮 to Zürich within one morning ☺️
Normally when you shoot raw there's no noise reduction applied in camera? That's the definition of raw
LOIKWAX , nope, you didn’t get it what I am complaining about. Noise reduction on long exposure times means, if you eg make a 10 seconds exposure, the camera adds another 10 seconds noise reduction and makes something. If it’s 40 seconds exposure time, M10 adds 40 seconds “noise reduction”. I am annoyed, I can’t disable that. In fact, I do not know, but I am pretty sure this affects also the raw file by making another image shutter closed and calculating the hot spots off the image. And I am also pretty sure this is also applied to the raw files, because you must wait that extra time even if JPG is disabled and you shoot DNG only. Logic implies, this affects also DNGs. - However: you can not DISABLE this on the M10 and afaik also not on SL. Getting reply from Wetzlar, it is impossible to add that to firmware is quite ridiculous... No such problems for all other brands.
@@rolandrickphotography that's bad. I don't understand how you can't disable NR on a supposedly pro camera haha
LOIKWAX , that’s exactly what I mentioned also to the support in Wetzlar. The problem in cases like this is: you’ll never get in contact to a person in charge of firmware development. And those support departments have a) a set of standard answers and b) no clue of what’s possessed and what not. Answer like “this is not possible due to the sensor” let me expect this. What the f-word has the sensor to do with that noise reduction on long exposure thing? Exactly: nothing 😆🙈. FYC: I develop software since 1988 and for that pretty sure I got fed by lame excuses 🤦♂️
@@rolandrickphotography yeah.. I don't develop software and I know that NR (or any post-process effect) has nothing to do with sensor haha..! Step your game up Leica people are paying 10K$ for your camera..
6:56 censor protection? It's the shutter for the camera. Shutter times are mechanical.
Yes thats why the video when I show the menu says "open shutter".
@@mathphotographer yes just to be clear, it's not there to protect the sensor.
K - now that I've seen the high ISO footage at 100k, I have to say, I am not seeing homogenous distribution of noise. There are clearly horizontal lines running through the noise in the shadows; same as I see at high ISO on my typ246 Monochrom. That said, I'm sure that 12,500 on the M10M looks astounding compared to 12,500 on the typ246
That is banding from RUclips video compression. On Mac all good, no lines.
Not much of an image comparison with the M246! I completely disagree that the rather ordinary photos at the end could not have been taken with any other camera. Rather, almost any camera could have taken them.
12:34 a7s m2.
In what specifically is the „Leica Fotos“ a very Advanced remote application for the camera? This app can do some things but to me it does not provide the essential things. It’s an app on a very sophisticated Mobil computer (iPhone) but it does not really use it. I would love to see the app do things : like bramping (holy grail Timelapse), focus stacking , connect multiple cameras and sync them, management of the profiles etc .... I would give it a sufficient. And have you ever tested it under stress! It takes 30 seconds to connect and not every try is a hit. That is the most disappointing part. It connects like a modem from 1996, without sound. Have you ever connected a go pro? The camera is shit but the connecting experience is quit good. This is a magnificent product, but the app need more input from the users. And I doubt that this will come, because they don’t use the app. For me as a professional photographer this app is not my choice to go. I rather use camfi pro. This is a app that is ok good. I get very fast annoyed by the app. Also, it deactivates itself after 2 minutes and then you have to shut down the camera to get the connection back. This user experience is not good. If you have any good to say about this app then I am very curious to hear about. 😀 otherwise : excellent video. ! There are some new wireless microtones from rode, the would minimize the room sound on your videos. 😌 thanxs for the excellent work .... but the app comment got me excited ..... 😂.
Six minutes thirty five seconds in and I’m already excited. Just based on what’s been said and shown thus far, it’s completely obvious I will be hopeless to do anything other than trade up from my typ246.
It better does for $8000...
Seriously, you can buy a better specced Pentax along with all the focal range of premium glass, and still have change in your pocket.
While I’m sure the Monochrome is a gorgeous camera the images I’ve seen from it are flat and without any bite or contrast. They need post processing and if that’s the case I would much rather have the option of color as well. Side not that Lenny Kravitz edition is just hideous.
You can adjust contrast, sharpness etc. in-camera for in-camera jpg processing. I left the images intentionally "flat" as out-of-camera RAW. Using them for prints: I would always go through post to get them perfect so no problem for me. On Kravitz: some love it, some find it hideous :)
Purely fashion statement.
Please do not watch any leica review video,please.It will made you more angry and jelous about other people.Leica is not for everyone and it is not only a fashion statment and also a superior camera than any other brand.YOU MAY NEVER HAVE A CHANCE OWN A LEICA in your rest of you life.Go to other channel and watch the review about the brand you like.
We like Leica no matter what you saying,the reason I replay to you because you annoying everyone.
Heavy banding in the shadows at ISO 100K, no one else discovered that?
You are right!! It is a good camera but not that impressive.
RUclips video compression. No banding on my Mac and I also do not see banding when watching the video on RUclips in 4K.
It may be a good camera but I can't afford it.
Klasse Videos! :) ich bin aus Konstanz am Bodensee und gelegentlich mal in Zürich! Hast Du zufällig auch eine Leica M9P im Hause die ich mal testen dürfte? :) Liebe Grüße Kai ; schreib mir doch gerne auf Instagram direkt unter @weltkai 😊
There is no such thing as a colour sensor they are all mono with a filter array in front most typically a bayer pattern.
lol hard to pay much attention when I'm seeing a $28k camera.
What? I shoot 12800 iso on my canon 6D all the time shooting indoor basketball. This is not impressive at all.
in the video is not 10,000, it is 100,000 iso.
it is shutter not protection
Yes but in all other DSLMs the sensor is always naked when the camera is switched off and lens unmounted, at the M and M10 etc. the sensor is covered by the shutter. That it really is the shutter can actually be seen in the video in the menu entry I used, says "open shutter" :)
mathphotographer you know,leica's range finder cameras don't need a evf,but as you know the DSLMs the must have the evf,so the shutter are always be opened
8500 dollars well spent..... 😬
:)
5:45, treating the shutter blades as protection is totally nonsense and one of the worst photography urban legends ever. The shutter blades are the most sensitive part of a camera and can be destroyed even by a touch of a feather, what will result in a very expensive repair. Even having no Bayer layer (that is the layer making the colours), the sensor itself is never directly exposed and protected by another glass layer. Fuji, Nikon and Sony handling this correctly, the shutter blades are open in power off mode and for that protected. Not so on Canon and Leica (I must assume, this is identical to the S and SL models). Greetings from Liechtenstein to Zürich 👋
Yes, that's the shutter that's why the menu entry says "open shutter". In all other system cameras the sensor is fully exposed when switched off and lens off. What I did not know or expect is that they (your statement) need to be protected even more. They do not look vulnerable but will have a closer look. Thanks for pointing out.
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Man so boring pictures talk with poeple and make something interesting go to an unwue place concert hall etc
Overpriced camera. Open your eyes, this is just marketing. Leica in the digital era is so mediocre