It's fascinating how much conversation this image has churned up. So interesting how easily triggered some folks are by an unconventional yet authentic beauty.
People are so used to seeing extremely manicured women in their day to day in media, in art, in real life, and also fail to recognize how accessible things like threading, waxing, and bleaching are. Just two days ago my mother suggested bleaching my upper lip ahead of job interviews. They think that it’s absurd, in an era where eyebrow trends change year to year, that a few decades or centuries ago the boundaries on what would be considered beautiful would be different, but more importantly, they refuse to offer dignity to people they don’t find sexually attractive to them personally. On a tangential note, the reactionary perspective that exaggerates human sexual dimorphism, usually for transphobic reasons but also for very racist reasons, is hugely alarming to me. I’ve loved seeing your responses to this painting in particular,
When I was a teenager, i watched a Vice documentary about Mauritania and how girls from wealthy families are encouraged to consume lots of high fat foods to put on weight because the ability to be fat in a society that struggles with food insecurity is a wealth indicator and because of that, the beauty standards have changed to reflect that. It was really eye opening about how arbitrary beauty standards are. Good lesson for a teenager.
@CorporalHicks8 theyre not only encouraged, some are force-fed until they vomit and have to start over. Some literally eat all day long and aren't allowed to spend calories playing
it blows my mind that people cannot understand different parts of the world had different beauty standards throughout various time periods. not only that, it's so ignorant to look at a historic portrait and IMMEDIATELY harshly judge the person's appearance compared to current standards without analyzing why they were portrayed the way that they were and it was reflective of the setting the portrait was painted.
While social constructs can influence the expression of beauty, the foundations of what we perceive as beautiful are deeply rooted in biology. Studies show humans are innately drawn to traits like symmetry and proportionality, which signal health and genetic fitness across cultures and eras. Infants, untainted by social conditioning, display a preference for faces considered universally attractive, demonstrating these responses are hardwired. The cultural lens shapes trends and ideals, but it doesn't create the underlying principles driving attraction. That said, it’s understandable to see how the malleability of beauty standards in history might lead to the assumption it is purely a social construct.
I have light skin and dark hair and when I shave my pits, you can basically still see the hair, most people don’t care/notice but one short guy in school absolutely hated me and talked about how I was gross bc I “didn’t” shave my pits, but even if that was true, why was that a bad thing? No one else cared 😂 I’ve seen models on ig with people drooling over them and they didn’t shave? Lol some people are just silly
@@stargatis Yes yes yes, that was me when I was young too. It was awful!! I got bullied badly for the dark hair on my arms and the tiny bit of hair on my top lip. Boys are so ugly so ruthless. It made me **extremely** self conscious because if they think that's bad, unfortunately my stomach was, back then and has only gotten worse now, completely covered in hair! Growing up.. ugh this is gonna involve telling backstory sorry haha, when I was like before 8 years old I thought I was a boy, so that has pretty much affected how I see myself for my whole life. When my legs started getting hairy my parents started insisting I shave, and I didn't want to the boys don't have to do that they don't worry about it and us women aren't supposed to or allowed to care about them not shaving. So I didn't. Yeah I got bullied a lot, I went from not shaving to shaving my legs and my arms, that was elementary school, then after I had gotten out of school I stopped completely. I remember one time my dad came into my room with the shaving cream and a razer and was telling me I needed to shave. The audacity! Eventually I started dating this guy, and he felt like how I felt where he felt he was supposed to be a girl, so he liked that I didn't shave! So I stopped shaving completely! He passed away back in 2019 and you know what? I still don't shave!
The thing about surgery to all look the same is so true. There's a lot of famous people who all blur together in my mind and I literally can't tell them apart because they all look like Generically Attractive Woman or Generically Attractive Man. It's easy to imagine that that's always been the beauty standard if that's literally the only people you see portrayed as beautiful.
@stargatis, that's a great question! The short answer is that I'm attracted to people by how they "vibe" lol... i can "sort" faces from least to most attractive, but that's only because my brain sees symmetry/asymmetry with laser accuracy and we are programmed to see symmetrical faces as more attractive. The way they smell is very important, "adult human" is fine, but stress and "mean" have an odor I can't describe. (I was 40 years old before I figured that out, it would have saved me a lot of heartache) The sound of their voice is also important, if their hands are clean (double entendre intended), how they speak to others, their feelings on animals and children as living beings.. definitely what they put into their brain is more important to me than what they keep it in. I can see expressions as a whole and the "construction" of the features, the face itself is a face, but everyone looks the same unless I see them many, many times or develop some sort of relationship with them.. then their face sort of distinguishes itself from the crowd. Unless I don't see them for a long time, then their face fades back into the crowd. If you go to Google and pull up the composite image of all of the female hosts on Fox you can see they're all different people, but they all look like the same woman with different hair to me. The best way I can think to explain it is that it's like looking at a room full of orange tabby cats and trying to find a specific one. (But I could find Pepper in ten seconds 😆)
Most of the 'we evolved to...' theories are pretty sexist and white supremacist. I'd approach the bulk of them with heavy skepticism. A lot of it is projecting modern stuff into the past in a weird reverse engineering of our origins.
While social constructs can influence the expression of beauty, the foundations of what we perceive as beautiful are deeply rooted in biology. Studies show humans are innately drawn to traits like symmetry and proportionality, which signal health and genetic fitness across cultures and eras. Infants, untainted by social conditioning, display a preference for faces considered universally attractive, demonstrating these responses are hardwired. The cultural lens shapes trends and ideals, but it doesn't create the underlying principles driving attraction. That said, it’s understandable to see how the malleability of beauty standards in history might lead to the assumption it is purely a social construct.
Royal were the trend setters. And even in the royal court a woman's desirability had to do with her ability to birth lots of children and the dowry her father had to offer. As for the peasant class, you never left your village. You probably only knew a handful of people "attractive" would have been low on the list of importance. Plus religion plays a huge roll. Being vein or shallow is sinful. How devoutly someone presented themselves would be more desirable
“In most of history, people did not want to all look the same. We’re in a different moment where everyone is getting surgery to look the same. Looking like yourself was, for most of history, a plus, and there were more ways to be attractive. So there was lots of ‘pretty.’” ❤️❤️❤️❤️❤️❤️❤️❤️❤️
You picked that woman on how she looked 😂. You knew people would react or become triggered by her. This is why I love this channel. As a woman I love my mustache 😅.
I've been saying for a while now that today's young people all look very similar. It's like they all have the same plastic surgeon. My husband and I love watching older movies, especially from the 70s and 80s, and we always comment on how different each woman looks and they all had different fashon styles from one another. And a big nose or some other feature that, these days, would be "fixed", didn't disqualify you from being considered gorgeous.
even in western (specifically american) beauty standards change like all the time. in the 20s a boyish/gender neutral look was the ideal body type for women. 30 years later in the 50s, the hour glass was the ideal shape to the point that they used figure enhancing bras and undergarments. if the ideal of beauty can change that much in 30 years, imagine how much it can change given hundreds or thousands of years. acting like beauty isn’t inherently tied to society is an ignorant take at best.
While social constructs can influence the expression of beauty, the foundations of what we perceive as beautiful are deeply rooted in biology. Studies show humans are innately drawn to traits like symmetry and proportionality, which signal health and genetic fitness across cultures and eras. Infants, untainted by social conditioning, display a preference for faces considered universally attractive, demonstrating these responses are hardwired. The cultural lens shapes trends and ideals, but it doesn't create the underlying principles driving attraction. That said, it’s understandable to see how the malleability of beauty standards in history might lead to the assumption it is purely a social construct.
I wouldn't say people never wanted to "look the same" as people "want to today". There's a reason you can look at a painting and KNOW what era it is by the features exaggerated or focused on in the painting. Same as to why those women plucked their hairlines. And trust me, people were making the same remarks about make-up as well as other methods of altering ones appearance as they do today. They just couldn't change their own faces as easily as we can and didn't have the same global culture we do. A lack of access is what made the difference NOT some sort of modern weakness or degeneracy. Humans are doing what humans will do within this environment, which is why we need a healthier environment than even what we had in the past. We don't need to regress to "tradition", we need to progress towards health. And most people don't actually want to look the same, even the ones who get plastic surgery. Most people want to tweak what they think are their best features the same way they always have, just the features focused on change as ideas come and go giving history a great illusion of increased diversity. In reality, you could actually have been arrested or fined for not abiding by certain requirements. Same with social consequences such as shunning. And of course it's the wealthy people that everyone focuses on as to what is considered that period's beauty standards, as opposed to the great whole of society where people ALWAYS have more diverse tastes. Which is why I feel the need to point out the specificity of this mindset about beauty. We judge what people saw as beautiful by what was given the privilege of being preserved and promoted, not by the ACTUAL opinions of everyone who ever lived. That has not changed and we also apply that analysis to how we see the present. Edit: This isn't hate btw, I just hate how as a woman I'm constantly being told how I'm mindlessly trying to look like everyone as if I should instead obsessively compete to be totally unique. And how people pretend like there aren't more penalties for being "unattractive" than there are benefits to being attractive because it's ALWAYS been than way due to us social developing from being animals. How about we just stop focusing on how others look and just focus on more important things than judging others??? Because I'm not interested in competing, whether it's to be the same OR completely different. 🤷♀️ *_And I bet if we actually just did that..._* *Way less people would be driven by insecurities to change themselves.* Also, doppelgangers are a thing and people are literally born looking like other people and acting like other people ALL THE TIME. Even having really similar names and everything else _so you're not going to escape being similar other humans beings like that given how genetics, culture, and probability work._ You don't have to be "the most specialest most beautifulest most uniquest" person in the whole wide world to have value or to find happiness. Those aren't things you have to or should have to compete for.
Ive found that the more i get to genuinely know someone , the more I start to see thier differences as attractive. Heterochromea and freckles are the epitome of attractiveness to me.
everyone has sharp jaws nowadays. It's one thing to know that beauty is subjective and that women in the past probably looked like you, and another thing entirely to know and feel that fact in your soul
i wonder if there are any examples of historical portraits analogous to king charles' 2024 infamous portrait that got roasted online for having so much red, textured paint, that the effect was more like showing him burning in hell. Basically are there any portraits that were presumably approved by a subject with the authority to reject a portrait they disliked, but the approved portrait was received badly by the public? The only one i can think of is madame X, but that's pretty recent compared to the examples shown.
I have a natural sixhead, I bet my renaissance ancestors are looking at me right now going "what do you MEAN 'too big'?? It's perfect! could be a little bigger, but..."
"Looking like yourse-- was for most of hist-- a plus, and there were more way-- to be attract-- so there was lots of pretty." *PLEASE STOP EDITING LIKE THIS!!!* It's incredibly distracting to try to listen to, and it's incomprehensible at first for anyone with auditory integration issues (which is a lot of people). If you're not going to provide subtitles for accessibility (which you really should tbh) then please at least make the audio clear to listen to, instead of making your otherwise wonderful work and valuable commentary sound totally incoherent 😭 There have to be better ways to meet the shorts time limit, omg
Pin this here as well and read it many times before you do; While social constructs can influence the expression of beauty, the foundations of what we perceive as beautiful are deeply rooted in biology. Studies show humans are innately drawn to traits like symmetry and proportionality, which signal health and genetic fitness across cultures and eras. Infants, untainted by social conditioning, display a preference for faces considered universally attractive, demonstrating these responses are hardwired. The cultural lens shapes trends and ideals, but it doesn't create the underlying principles driving attraction. That said, it’s understandable to see how the malleability of beauty standards in history might lead to the assumption it is purely a social construct.
It really isn't. Ask 100 people to describe their ideal type and you would get vastly different answers. Beauty is often defined by your (sub)culture and/or era.
@@htpkey Tests like these are frequently done with consistent results. We all want to be with someone healthy. There is some variation on what that means, but not much.
@@boboloko This view assumes already that everyone wants to be with someone healthy. How do you define healthy? Is someone healthy just because they are not obese? How important is mental health in this equation? We were talking about beauty, right? Why are you suddenly talking about healthy? These two are completely different topics.
While social constructs can influence the expression of beauty, the foundations of what we perceive as beautiful are deeply rooted in biology. Studies show humans are innately drawn to traits like symmetry and proportionality, which signal health and genetic fitness across cultures and eras. Infants, untainted by social conditioning, display a preference for faces considered universally attractive, demonstrating these responses are hardwired. The cultural lens shapes trends and ideals, but it doesn't create the underlying principles driving attraction. That said, it’s understandable to see how the malleability of beauty standards in history might lead to the assumption it is purely a social construct.
@@deirdreLaurence I don't know about that. If you ask me about what I consider the most beautiful and I say "someone with chcolate dark skin" and the another person says "someone with pale skin", who is right according to your model of beauty? In your statement you seem to be pushing for a "universal truth" about beauty, that is rooted in biology. I haven't seen any evidence for a universal standard of beauty.
Btw, you should not be looking at historic artwork to confirm the idea of beauty being a social construct. Art is like a signature, each artist will do it differently. Get ten people in a room to draw one person, do all the drawings look the same? Art rarely ever captures reality, so stop using it to confirm your own ideas. Confirmation bias. And above all, stop linking people a video that you did on that idea of yours - how annoying
I doubt there was ever a time in which red curtain lady was considered attractive. If only the rich were painted, aristocrats often “kept it in the family” when it came to breeding. The most attractive women were probably poor and thus never had their portraits painted. The human brain hasn’t changed that drastically in a few centuries to make us completely redefine what constitutes facial beauty, no matter what social aspects might try to influence it.
It's fascinating how much conversation this image has churned up. So interesting how easily triggered some folks are by an unconventional yet authentic beauty.
She wasn't that uncoventional in her time.
@@fullredplatinum I suppose unconventional in today's modern standards of beauty that is.
People are so used to seeing extremely manicured women in their day to day in media, in art, in real life, and also fail to recognize how accessible things like threading, waxing, and bleaching are. Just two days ago my mother suggested bleaching my upper lip ahead of job interviews. They think that it’s absurd, in an era where eyebrow trends change year to year, that a few decades or centuries ago the boundaries on what would be considered beautiful would be different, but more importantly, they refuse to offer dignity to people they don’t find sexually attractive to them personally. On a tangential note, the reactionary perspective that exaggerates human sexual dimorphism, usually for transphobic reasons but also for very racist reasons, is hugely alarming to me. I’ve loved seeing your responses to this painting in particular,
When I was a teenager, i watched a Vice documentary about Mauritania and how girls from wealthy families are encouraged to consume lots of high fat foods to put on weight because the ability to be fat in a society that struggles with food insecurity is a wealth indicator and because of that, the beauty standards have changed to reflect that. It was really eye opening about how arbitrary beauty standards are. Good lesson for a teenager.
@CorporalHicks8 theyre not only encouraged, some are force-fed until they vomit and have to start over.
Some literally eat all day long and aren't allowed to spend calories playing
It's a common thread, too. Msot beauty standards around the world and throughout time are just visual indicators of wealth.
it blows my mind that people cannot understand different parts of the world had different beauty standards throughout various time periods. not only that, it's so ignorant to look at a historic portrait and IMMEDIATELY harshly judge the person's appearance compared to current standards without analyzing why they were portrayed the way that they were and it was reflective of the setting the portrait was painted.
While social constructs can influence the expression of beauty, the foundations of what we perceive as beautiful are deeply rooted in biology. Studies show humans are innately drawn to traits like symmetry and proportionality, which signal health and genetic fitness across cultures and eras. Infants, untainted by social conditioning, display a preference for faces considered universally attractive, demonstrating these responses are hardwired. The cultural lens shapes trends and ideals, but it doesn't create the underlying principles driving attraction. That said, it’s understandable to see how the malleability of beauty standards in history might lead to the assumption it is purely a social construct.
and then some people are just ignorant and immature in their daily life and call women ugly. @@deirdreLaurence
This whole thing is reminding me of the Horizon Zero Dawn game and people freaking out about peach fuzz on the main character.
Yeah! It's wild when these gamer boys realize that women don't merely exists to appease them.
I have light skin and dark hair and when I shave my pits, you can basically still see the hair, most people don’t care/notice but one short guy in school absolutely hated me and talked about how I was gross bc I “didn’t” shave my pits, but even if that was true, why was that a bad thing? No one else cared 😂 I’ve seen models on ig with people drooling over them and they didn’t shave? Lol some people are just silly
@@stargatis Yes yes yes, that was me when I was young too. It was awful!! I got bullied badly for the dark hair on my arms and the tiny bit of hair on my top lip. Boys are so ugly so ruthless. It made me **extremely** self conscious because if they think that's bad, unfortunately my stomach was, back then and has only gotten worse now, completely covered in hair! Growing up.. ugh this is gonna involve telling backstory sorry haha, when I was like before 8 years old I thought I was a boy, so that has pretty much affected how I see myself for my whole life. When my legs started getting hairy my parents started insisting I shave, and I didn't want to the boys don't have to do that they don't worry about it and us women aren't supposed to or allowed to care about them not shaving. So I didn't. Yeah I got bullied a lot, I went from not shaving to shaving my legs and my arms, that was elementary school, then after I had gotten out of school I stopped completely. I remember one time my dad came into my room with the shaving cream and a razer and was telling me I needed to shave. The audacity! Eventually I started dating this guy, and he felt like how I felt where he felt he was supposed to be a girl, so he liked that I didn't shave! So I stopped shaving completely! He passed away back in 2019 and you know what? I still don't shave!
The thing about surgery to all look the same is so true. There's a lot of famous people who all blur together in my mind and I literally can't tell them apart because they all look like Generically Attractive Woman or Generically Attractive Man. It's easy to imagine that that's always been the beauty standard if that's literally the only people you see portrayed as beautiful.
I have prosopagnosia, everyone looks the same to me lol
@@Faesharlyninteresting! I wonder how attraction works for you? Obviously we like our loved ones based off things other than looks but I’m curious 💙
@stargatis, that's a great question! The short answer is that I'm attracted to people by how they "vibe" lol... i can "sort" faces from least to most attractive, but that's only because my brain sees symmetry/asymmetry with laser accuracy and we are programmed to see symmetrical faces as more attractive.
The way they smell is very important, "adult human" is fine, but stress and "mean" have an odor I can't describe. (I was 40 years old before I figured that out, it would have saved me a lot of heartache)
The sound of their voice is also important, if their hands are clean (double entendre intended), how they speak to others, their feelings on animals and children as living beings.. definitely what they put into their brain is more important to me than what they keep it in.
I can see expressions as a whole and the "construction" of the features, the face itself is a face, but everyone looks the same unless I see them many, many times or develop some sort of relationship with them.. then their face sort of distinguishes itself from the crowd.
Unless I don't see them for a long time, then their face fades back into the crowd.
If you go to Google and pull up the composite image of all of the female hosts on Fox you can see they're all different people, but they all look like the same woman with different hair to me.
The best way I can think to explain it is that it's like looking at a room full of orange tabby cats and trying to find a specific one. (But I could find Pepper in ten seconds 😆)
Beauty is socially constructed. It's built into everyone. We evolved to find different things about the opposite sex attractive.
Most of the 'we evolved to...' theories are pretty sexist and white supremacist. I'd approach the bulk of them with heavy skepticism. A lot of it is projecting modern stuff into the past in a weird reverse engineering of our origins.
While social constructs can influence the expression of beauty, the foundations of what we perceive as beautiful are deeply rooted in biology. Studies show humans are innately drawn to traits like symmetry and proportionality, which signal health and genetic fitness across cultures and eras. Infants, untainted by social conditioning, display a preference for faces considered universally attractive, demonstrating these responses are hardwired. The cultural lens shapes trends and ideals, but it doesn't create the underlying principles driving attraction. That said, it’s understandable to see how the malleability of beauty standards in history might lead to the assumption it is purely a social construct.
been bingeing ur videos and have been reminded how much i actually care about art history- thank you
Thank you!
Royal were the trend setters. And even in the royal court a woman's desirability had to do with her ability to birth lots of children and the dowry her father had to offer. As for the peasant class, you never left your village. You probably only knew a handful of people "attractive" would have been low on the list of importance. Plus religion plays a huge roll. Being vein or shallow is sinful. How devoutly someone presented themselves would be more desirable
“In most of history, people did not want to all look the same. We’re in a different moment where everyone is getting surgery to look the same. Looking like yourself was, for most of history, a plus, and there were more ways to be attractive. So there was lots of ‘pretty.’” ❤️❤️❤️❤️❤️❤️❤️❤️❤️
You picked that woman on how she looked 😂. You knew people would react or become triggered by her. This is why I love this channel. As a woman I love my mustache 😅.
Her first video on it was actual about the hairstyle, but people in the comments go wild for a mustache 😂
the push back is crazy
My five head was truly born in the wrong time. 😂
I've been saying for a while now that today's young people all look very similar. It's like they all have the same plastic surgeon. My husband and I love watching older movies, especially from the 70s and 80s, and we always comment on how different each woman looks and they all had different fashon styles from one another. And a big nose or some other feature that, these days, would be "fixed", didn't disqualify you from being considered gorgeous.
History of plastic surgery #arthistory101
Plastic surgery #arthistory101
I just think of "warts and all" 😁
even in western (specifically american) beauty standards change like all the time. in the 20s a boyish/gender neutral look was the ideal body type for women. 30 years later in the 50s, the hour glass was the ideal shape to the point that they used figure enhancing bras and undergarments. if the ideal of beauty can change that much in 30 years, imagine how much it can change given hundreds or thousands of years. acting like beauty isn’t inherently tied to society is an ignorant take at best.
While social constructs can influence the expression of beauty, the foundations of what we perceive as beautiful are deeply rooted in biology. Studies show humans are innately drawn to traits like symmetry and proportionality, which signal health and genetic fitness across cultures and eras. Infants, untainted by social conditioning, display a preference for faces considered universally attractive, demonstrating these responses are hardwired. The cultural lens shapes trends and ideals, but it doesn't create the underlying principles driving attraction. That said, it’s understandable to see how the malleability of beauty standards in history might lead to the assumption it is purely a social construct.
VERY interesting!
Now I challenge Artlust to style her hair like the woman in the painting! It must be done.
I wouldn't say people never wanted to "look the same" as people "want to today".
There's a reason you can look at a painting and KNOW what era it is by the features exaggerated or focused on in the painting.
Same as to why those women plucked their hairlines.
And trust me, people were making the same remarks about make-up as well as other methods of altering ones appearance as they do today.
They just couldn't change their own faces as easily as we can and didn't have the same global culture we do.
A lack of access is what made the difference NOT some sort of modern weakness or degeneracy.
Humans are doing what humans will do within this environment, which is why we need a healthier environment than even what we had in the past.
We don't need to regress to "tradition", we need to progress towards health.
And most people don't actually want to look the same, even the ones who get plastic surgery.
Most people want to tweak what they think are their best features the same way they always have, just the features focused on change as ideas come and go giving history a great illusion of increased diversity.
In reality, you could actually have been arrested or fined for not abiding by certain requirements.
Same with social consequences such as shunning.
And of course it's the wealthy people that everyone focuses on as to what is considered that period's beauty standards, as opposed to the great whole of society where people ALWAYS have more diverse tastes.
Which is why I feel the need to point out the specificity of this mindset about beauty.
We judge what people saw as beautiful by what was given the privilege of being preserved and promoted, not by the ACTUAL opinions of everyone who ever lived.
That has not changed and we also apply that analysis to how we see the present.
Edit: This isn't hate btw, I just hate how as a woman I'm constantly being told how I'm mindlessly trying to look like everyone as if I should instead obsessively compete to be totally unique.
And how people pretend like there aren't more penalties for being "unattractive" than there are benefits to being attractive because it's ALWAYS been than way due to us social developing from being animals.
How about we just stop focusing on how others look and just focus on more important things than judging others???
Because I'm not interested in competing, whether it's to be the same OR completely different. 🤷♀️
*_And I bet if we actually just did that..._*
*Way less people would be driven by insecurities to change themselves.*
Also, doppelgangers are a thing and people are literally born looking like other people and acting like other people ALL THE TIME.
Even having really similar names and everything else _so you're not going to escape being similar other humans beings like that given how genetics, culture, and probability work._
You don't have to be "the most specialest most beautifulest most uniquest" person in the whole wide world to have value or to find happiness.
Those aren't things you have to or should have to compete for.
Ive found that the more i get to genuinely know someone , the more I start to see thier differences as attractive.
Heterochromea and freckles are the epitome of attractiveness to me.
everyone has sharp jaws nowadays. It's one thing to know that beauty is subjective and that women in the past probably looked like you, and another thing entirely to know and feel that fact in your soul
i wonder if there are any examples of historical portraits analogous to king charles' 2024 infamous portrait that got roasted online for having so much red, textured paint, that the effect was more like showing him burning in hell. Basically are there any portraits that were presumably approved by a subject with the authority to reject a portrait they disliked, but the approved portrait was received badly by the public? The only one i can think of is madame X, but that's pretty recent compared to the examples shown.
I have a natural sixhead, I bet my renaissance ancestors are looking at me right now going "what do you MEAN 'too big'?? It's perfect! could be a little bigger, but..."
Maybe in a past life?
That's Andrew Bird.
"Looking like yourse-- was for most of hist-- a plus, and there were more way-- to be attract-- so there was lots of pretty." *PLEASE STOP EDITING LIKE THIS!!!* It's incredibly distracting to try to listen to, and it's incomprehensible at first for anyone with auditory integration issues (which is a lot of people). If you're not going to provide subtitles for accessibility (which you really should tbh) then please at least make the audio clear to listen to, instead of making your otherwise wonderful work and valuable commentary sound totally incoherent 😭 There have to be better ways to meet the shorts time limit, omg
Honestly, the audio editing is pretty hard for me too.
I've been wondering about this for a while. Perhaps something in her environment interrupts her from completing sentences.
@@boboloko I think it's just from cutting clips together imprecisely, maybe from some limitation in whatever video editing app she uses
Pin this here as well and read it many times before you do; While social constructs can influence the expression of beauty, the foundations of what we perceive as beautiful are deeply rooted in biology. Studies show humans are innately drawn to traits like symmetry and proportionality, which signal health and genetic fitness across cultures and eras. Infants, untainted by social conditioning, display a preference for faces considered universally attractive, demonstrating these responses are hardwired. The cultural lens shapes trends and ideals, but it doesn't create the underlying principles driving attraction. That said, it’s understandable to see how the malleability of beauty standards in history might lead to the assumption it is purely a social construct.
A Dreamworks character?
Did the artist embellish to make the sitter look better than they actually did?
Look no further than the 80's and our hairstyles, which now is an embarrassment, but we WERE beautiful then
Was facial hair on women an accepted concept during the time period it was painted in?
Who would even think she was ‘ugly’, it’s such a childish thought, people are weird
Was this 1830’s? The hairstyles of this decade were so silly!
Yup. They were
This is an iconic legacy 😂 imagine
Ugh
I always thought beauty was universal.
It really isn't. Ask 100 people to describe their ideal type and you would get vastly different answers. Beauty is often defined by your (sub)culture and/or era.
@@htpkey Tests like these are frequently done with consistent results. We all want to be with someone healthy. There is some variation on what that means, but not much.
@@boboloko This view assumes already that everyone wants to be with someone healthy. How do you define healthy?
Is someone healthy just because they are not obese? How important is mental health in this equation?
We were talking about beauty, right? Why are you suddenly talking about healthy? These two are completely different topics.
While social constructs can influence the expression of beauty, the foundations of what we perceive as beautiful are deeply rooted in biology. Studies show humans are innately drawn to traits like symmetry and proportionality, which signal health and genetic fitness across cultures and eras. Infants, untainted by social conditioning, display a preference for faces considered universally attractive, demonstrating these responses are hardwired. The cultural lens shapes trends and ideals, but it doesn't create the underlying principles driving attraction. That said, it’s understandable to see how the malleability of beauty standards in history might lead to the assumption it is purely a social construct.
@@deirdreLaurence I don't know about that. If you ask me about what I consider the most beautiful and I say "someone with chcolate dark skin" and the another person says "someone with pale skin", who is right according to your model of beauty?
In your statement you seem to be pushing for a "universal truth" about beauty, that is rooted in biology. I haven't seen any evidence for a universal standard of beauty.
Btw, you should not be looking at historic artwork to confirm the idea of beauty being a social construct. Art is like a signature, each artist will do it differently. Get ten people in a room to draw one person, do all the drawings look the same? Art rarely ever captures reality, so stop using it to confirm your own ideas. Confirmation bias. And above all, stop linking people a video that you did on that idea of yours - how annoying
is this just what the nobility thought was pretty though?
Beauty is not a social concept.
Then what is it?
Yes, it is.
That's why different societies have different standards of beauty lol
Nice bait
what i find beautiful is different from what you find beautiful. it’s a social construct my love.
They're right. Beauty is a myth spread by big pharma. Open your eyes...
I doubt there was ever a time in which red curtain lady was considered attractive. If only the rich were painted, aristocrats often “kept it in the family” when it came to breeding. The most attractive women were probably poor and thus never had their portraits painted. The human brain hasn’t changed that drastically in a few centuries to make us completely redefine what constitutes facial beauty, no matter what social aspects might try to influence it.
Beauty needs to shave.