Thanks Chico. This is important subject now when People are dividing all around western countries and even In Finland. Lets not bring any unecessary racial tension into Finland.
Its good to hear this side of the conversation too. Too many people bring so much negative attention to the racism issue that it seems like things are actually bad when they really are not. Attacking people who disagree with them who then start disliking the cause creating division and hatred between people.
Käärijä perfectly explains in cha cha cha the Finnish way: Finns are reserved but on weekends they grab a few drinks and come out of their shells. Finns keep it real, no fake smiles or small talk, they mean what they say and let loose with some keppana and salmari on the weekend 🇫🇮
I think part of the issue is that there are some people who have not experienced actual racism (like apartheid or segregation) and tend to play the victim card over everything, including things that have nothing to do with racism because it's the easy way out for them. Obviously racism exists even in Finland just like it does everywhere else too, but not everything comes from racist place. There might be bad experiences, there might be valid concerns and so on. And in Finnish culture, I feel like the situation lot of the time is that few rotten eggs are trying to spoil the whole basket when it comes to immigrants. We see and hear lot of bad things immigrants do even if media keeps silent about it, but those actions gives prejudice towards all immigrants even if we know it is not true. And as sad it is, only immigrants themselves can change Finnish natives minds and only way to do so is positive interactions, not negative ones.
By using victim card person often avoids blaming himself/herself for problems in life. It can make them feel better about themselves when they can blame someone else. It is not used only in race issues, but commonly used by people everywhere. For example person has not studied, never bothered to work with school grades. Person has never wanted to move after a job or something and has preferred staying on a couch. Person blames government etc. for being poor. Of course race can have an impact and victim card can be valid, but often it is not. This is how I see it.
As a Finn, I'm proud that you are now in Finland. You're obviously a smart guy and it's good to have people like you in Finland. The message you're saying in this video is on par with ideas that Alex O'Conner shares and that's not a small feat.
I'm bilingually Swedish and Finnish speaking and count myself as an Finn. However very rarely, if I go into the wrong bar or similar I can experience someone telling me to go back to Sweden, but the moment I shout back 'Turpa tukkoon!' plus some sentence. In perfect Finnish they shut up. I've often wondered why? My personal view is that Racism in Finland isn't originally based on skin colour, due to the lack of wide spread colonialism in other countries, with most immigrants having arrived arrived post-1990's when more modern ideas were a thing by then. But with history instead rooted with fighting Russia etc. I'd argue racism is more linguistical that any other category. A foreign sounding name or speaking broken finnish might be the biggest discriminatory factor. Though this is my perspective.
@@B1gLupu If you called me a Swede to my face I'd be slightly offended. Every-time I visit Stockholm, due to my accent, treated way worse. It's usually only, when I travel outside the areas where Swedish is official, visit friends in unilingual areas, go to a bar and we talk in Swedish. Then 95% nothing happens, 5% some drunk finn comes up and says racist stuff. Though the moment you switch to Finnish they usually shut up and look at you with surprise. Where I'm from, going to a bar, I can often talk in Swedish to someone, while getting back from them Finnish. Though I have relatives who have a more Swedenswedish sounding accent, talking to them, they tend to have less problems in Sweden, while get more racist comments from Finns. While my accent is basically more Finnish than most Finns, I can blend into the crowd better.
@@Kendji-the-Great jag talar 1 svenska sen engelska finska är 3 språket men jag klarar mig nog på finska men det blir missförstånd ibland då väljer jag svenska 1
If someone says to me that a "Country is racist" it leads me to believe that the country itself is racist. It could be things like policies and laws exclude certain people, maybe school or job opportunities are being cut off for specific reasons or even that a country wont support immigration or that they wont accept refugees or provide asylums. Thats just some of the things that come to mind. Now, as a Finnish girl, lived here for all my 34 years of life, i Know for a fact that none of these things are correct when it comes to Finland. And racism on a personal level.. i can only talk about the things ive seen or heard in my life and based on that lived experience, i would dare to argue that racism is not an issue in Finland. So far, ive never looked at anyone differently, just because they look different from me. Were all humans first. And i have worked part time in a language shcool for adults, and what i have seen and heard there and from them.. racism complaints are not among them. Ive never seen a incident where racism was the cause/intent, and i am sure that there are individuals like that and that there are racist people in Finland, im just sayin that i have not seen/met them in my life. I believe that anyone who comes here, with the hopes of tryin to build a life for themselves, to work and study and even have a family, everyone is welcome as long as they follow the local laws. Respect youre neighbour like you do with youre family and loved ones. Simple as that.
yall literally had the economics minister in 2023 be exposed for being a neo-nazi lol Vilhelm Junnila is all over that shit. fucks sake the nordics resistance movement has ties with the finns party
Only watched two videos from this person. Good videos. I would add one more thing to comment about racism vs immigration criticism. View that immigration criticism is automatically racist is very harmful in many ways. I have nothing against immigration as such and I work in a global company and have not worked in all Finnish team in over 20 years and office language has been English. Immigration has brought some problems and those can't really be avoided. It has also brought positive things, but many things could be done better. All the ideas and very good, open and valid discussions have been and are being turned down and silence, because it has been considered racist without actually being about race or racism. In order to improve and find better ways to integrate immigrants and handle the immigration processes etc. we need to have open discussions. Society has come to a place where you are labelled as a racist if you even bring it up. We are able to talk about homeless people and what should be done to improve their situation. Or what to do with people with sicknesses etc. We can have conversations about all these things, but we can't talk about similar things if group involved is not white and Finnish. Suddenly it becomes racist. So basically we can't make it better because we don't want to talk about it.
I find it so odd there are Finnish people actually arguing against this rhetoric and trying to prove it false, as if to change your mind. As a white Finnish person I think it's incredible that a person of color can say that Finland is not a racist country from their own experiences, and that matters to me more than a white Finn saying the opposite. You'd think it'd make them feel some kind of pride rather than actively trying to fight against it!
In Finnish we have this saying “Se kuka sanoo on itte”. Even kids understand the psychology that is implied. Those who cry about racists the loudest are probably the racists themselves. That’s why you’ll find these people promoting initiatives of “anti-racism” (favoring a group of people based on their skin/ethnicity/etc.) or other backwards ideas where we are invited to treat people first as members of their perceived group, rather than as individuals. I was worried that all the noise by this loud minority looking down on immigrants in this way would send all the sane ones away, but at least you didn’t fall for it! Thank you for sticking around.
Just to let you know, and most finns overlook this now as well; there is a very logical explanation on the xenophobia, since prior to the rebuild after WWII it was somewhat uncommon to travel long distances unless for trade. So most "normal people" hardly met people outside their town or a few towns down.
Thank you for your thought on this country and educating people who view this world differently to get a new perspective to our lives on our planet Earth. No one is perfect, and no one is in heaven, people will have conflicts, but if more people are respectful of each other instead of the negative, We will make a better Earth And of course as to this topic, Finland can be negative, but mostly, there are either positives or neutrals to counter those negatives. Thank You. 🇫🇮
Thank you sincerely for opening the conversation to this sort of situation, the negative examples given very much feel like people going out of their way to look for things to nitpick and point at to prove their agenda - most of the flagrant racism that I've seen and experienced as a Finn comes from the rural countryside and I would know this because that's where I was born and raised myself, so absolutely nothing new nor specific to finland itself - I personally feel that part of this is ppl simply taking the finnish reservedness and bluntness as racism
I agree that if you have never lived anywhere else (or even travelled), you do not know how good you have it here in Finland. Finland is not perfect but neither is anywhere else. While I think we should always work to be better, lot of my fellow Finns fail to understand how good things already are in this country.
Well said, you have great insight on things. I like how you recognize that not everything is racism. People just put it everything under that label while many things have nothing to do with it. And it does reveal personal insecurities. For example say you are overweight and you know it. If then someone says something mean you to, you might consider it being because you are overweight. They might not have hinted anything towards that direction but it is the personal insecurity turning it to be the cause. Like you said, xenophobia is one contributor. Finns are very patriotic, they will defend their country to the last breath. Worth keeping that in mind. If someone comes with attitude that they just came to exploit and take things, you will encounter angry Finns, no question about it. Because that is now seen as an attack towards their homeland. But if the attitude is that you want to be part of it, you want to learn and contribute. You suddenly notice totally different reaction. And this is not even unique to Finland. You go to any country and respect their culture and it's totally different. And I also liked how you recognized that there will be haters everywhere, about everything, in every spot of the world. That is never going to go away. That has always been the case. And haters are the most vocal group. It's so easy to hear one hater and think it presents the majority. While in reality it's just very small minority. And usually the smaller the group is and more extreme it is, the louder they are. This is made even bigger thing because humans have bias on being vocal about negative things. It could be good weather 300 days of a year and they say nothing about it, but the moment it rains, everyone hears about their opinion. It's just how we are, but it helps being aware of it.
I was once in a mascal exercise and I was doing primary triage with my pair. We had local students as mock casualties. One student came to talk to me after the drill and asked what I ment when I was triaging him and said to my pair "mennään eteenpäin, tää on musta (let's move on, this one is black)". Of course I had not really registered his skin tone. I only checked basic vitals and the patient card (for the ecercise with more info) and classified him as class 4 (black colour code [musta]) dead or dying patient. We ended up having a good laugh about it with him. But if he had not come to talk to me it is possible that he might have gotten the experience that he was racially discriminated.
Love these videos! And I wholeheartedly agree with what you said. I'm a caucasian native Finnish man, but I've been on dates with immigrants that are black or asian and I really never see it as anything else than a different kind of beautiful. Different shades of grey, as they say. What matters to me is how people behave. It doesn't matter if an aggressive drug addict is black or white or asian. That's besides the point. Same as if a person is nice and I enjoy their company. It matters just as little as hair color, eye color, whether they're bald, have short hair or long hair. Or if they're a short person or a long person. Male or female. Young or old. It's kind of the same when some people say that Finns hate Russians. I don't believe that. I believe that Finns hate Russia as a country or as a government. And Putin as a dictator. Generalization is bad in general. I have some friends that are Russians and they've been kind to me so I have no gripes with them even if I heavily dislike Russia as a country for their politics. And I also agree with you that focusing too much on hate topics just creates it where it didn't exist. I used to play with a couple of mates that live in the UK and are from one island near Africa and we always had a blast and I wish to see them sometime in real life. But if they would've constantly brought up racism, I don't know if that would've affected my mindset in a negative way as if I'd be guilty of something I haven't even done or haven't even thought about. "Live and let live". There's room for all of us and everyone should treat each other with respect and be kind. Oftentimes especially customer service people get a lot of flak completely unnecessarily. They're just doing their job, yet people still throw anger at them because of their own disappointments in life. It's unavoidable, sadly... But things could be a whole lot worse. I also love that you brought up the culture thing. It's in fact true that most Finns value their privacy and people usually don't sit next to each other if they have any other possibility. And people don't usually start up conversations with strangers most of the time. Smalltalk was never a thing in our country, although sometimes I kind of wish it was (because it's a good way to make friends and to make elevator trips less awkward).
Kaukaasia on hei ihan oikea paikka, joten jos et oo sieltä kotoisin niin et kyllä ole kaukaasialainen. Jos meinaat vaaleaihosta niin sano mieluummin white niin ku englanniks yleensä sanotaan. Tai (pohjois)eurooppalainen. Jenkit käyttää sanaa kaukaasialainen väärin ja ne oikeet kaukaasialaiset (jotka ei ees monet ole niitä jenkkien tarkottamia vaaleahipiäisiä keskieurooppalaisia) ei ihan kauheesti tästä pidä.
Finns are awesome! As a US Expat, I've lived here since 1996. The only real issue is a reduction in tolerance for our uninvited guests. These people often bring incompatible cultural and religious beliefs along with them to Finland. We all see what's happening in Malmö Sweden. Finns simply don't want that to happen here. That's not rācîst, and I don’t like it either.
Finland is not a racist country, butt there is some racist people who live in Finland (most of Finnish people are not racist but that do not mean that anyone in Finland can experience bad luck). And Chico, don't you get tierd to answer to this same question; "is Finland a racist country?" again and again ?
as a white totally Finnish person my only "racist opinion" is that i always rather get a Finnish doctor than a immigrant doctor. not because i find one better than the other... im just many times frustrated when i cant communicate properly with a doctor and there might be misunderstanding of some things and since its related to my well being and potentially even my life that is not something i want to be on the line.... so ill rather prioritize in trying to get a Finnish doctor over immigrant just cause there is a larger chance that they actually can speak Finnish properly and we can effectively communicate everything and not have misunderstandings... as a funny example of this from my father... he got sick leave from a doctor because he had a bad case of the flu and he told the doctor that he was sore all over as if someone had battered him... later he found out the doctor had written "patient battered" in the medical data.... (this was all talked in Finnish that was just the translation of it) also side note to language barriers at my work we have several customers and co-workers that are Russian, Estonian or black/ other ethnicity which i can't place just from hearing them speak and i have no problem with any of them cause even if they are terrible at speaking Finnish to me at most that will just cause some extra work for me... as opposed the doctor visits can have more serious consequence than just some extra work....
Chico Muya,This is for you! Study here in Finland and find a job in your field,Then lets talk after that.........let me see if you crack the code,except working as hoitaja!
Oh brother, you are lost imo. Growing up in Finland was not good for me. Growing up in Finland was not good for many immigrant people I know. I never felt as a person untill i went abroad to study at 19yo. Ryssäviha (hate of russians(derogatory)) is just accepted mostly as a cultural thing. Neekeri is for some reason widely considered as an insult you can use towards a person of any skin tone, and I've almost never seen someone get shunned for the use of that word. Your opinion is valid and I'm sure you have many great arguments (as I sadly can't bring myself to watch the video through), but my life experience must be very different from you. Statistically my life means nothing, but as I don't have anything else - it means everything to me. It will take a lot of healing for me to ever trust Finland or finnish people fully and I didn't have any controll over the damage I've recieved as a kid.
Yeah but if we are all 100% honest we all have mofos we just dislike more than others. Mine just happen to have nothing to do with race. Usually its just people who think their god gives them right to do all kinds of things.
Take a look at the situation in southern Sweden. There's many immigrants from certain regions there, and crime rates there have been through the roof for a good time now. That, is the main reason why the most anti-immigrant political party of Finland had such a massive voter base on last parliament elections here. I'm glad that our immigration-responsible minister who's currently sitting on that chair, has made an official refusal to take immigrants from those regions to Finland. It's a simple fact to me that not all immigrants are equal, no. Far from it. Asians and most africans seem very good people, so latin american folks too, and baltic people like the famous estonians. If everyone who moved here was like them, our anti-immigrant party would have no voters, but that's just not so. I do not know if I'll vote for them, though. If immigration was the only issue in my head, I would, but it's not. That political party seems to care very little about nature and biodiversity and the well-being of non-human lifeforms. That why I probably won't vote them. I'm a leftist and a green party person, always been, but... they are too blind and tolerant to all immigrants, and that has to stop, so I probably won't vote for them either. I'll just pick a candidate who isn't a member of any political party when the next elections come, because to me, being a puppet of your political party is corrupt. I just don't like people who can't take responsibility of their decisions in the parliament. Chico, if you're ever gonna run for parliament, I might vote you, you know. You see things as they are and are not easily swayed by opposing views, it seems. That's good. :) Keep it up!
Me and my friends do make racist jokes, and they tend to be dark. And we would still make them with a black man. And we would drink with the guy and form a frienship or try at least. Many of us Finns are like this. Our racist jokes are pretty much based on stereotypes. And they stay as jokes. No matter what.
What can I say to this? Racist jokes are dead in the water. You can make jokes based on race but the joke is the racism and the ignorant person not the stereotype. This is essentially racism you spud
In Finland, the n-word is not racist, in my opinion, we really have different words for racist expressions, they are really ugly words and there are different words for people of different races, for us the n-word is the same as someone telling me I'm white, it doesn't mean anything.
n-word is contemptuous meaning you do say it for a deep dislike or disgust of a person. That word only has one use which isn't nice towards a person. How many people tell you are white?
Chico Muya pls stop Milking this issue about racism in Finland,its soo tiring..,you know very well this topic is sensational and controversial news in Finland,As a black person who as lived in Finland for 20+ years.Seems you are trying to steer up people emotions for views and profits!
The biggest factual argument against your claim that Finland isn't racist is the fact that Finland has a group in the goverment called Perus Suomalainen and it's ideals are ONLY pure Finns in Finland and white only. To make it worse it is the 2nd largest government group in the last election. Our Prime Minister was very nearly a bonified pure Finnish and ONLY Finnish person. KoK has only 2 more seats in parliament than Perus Suomalainen now and SDP is 3rd with 3 less than Perus Suomalainen. So the gap between 2nd and 3rd is even larger.
Sorry but you're incorrect. Perussuomalaiset (The Finns Party) doesn't have just whites, they have all kinds of voters and even representatives (Lauri Laitinen, member of The Finns Party Youth, adopted from Philippines). Their main value is that the interests of the finnish people come first. That has nothing to do with white supremacy or racism. You don't have to agree with them politically, but you claiming that the whole party is racist is just completely incorrect.
Even Chico said that there are political things and questions (like immigration) that has nothing to do with racism. You're mixing the two things under the umbrella of racism.
So, if Perussuomalaiset is " pure Finns only and white only", then please explain this guy www.mtvuutiset.fi/_next/image?url=https%3A%2F%2Fapi.mtvuutiset.fi%2Fgraphql%2Fcaas%2Fv1%2Fmedia%2F6380264%2Fdata%2Fa8b12e62135b3ce0d66861cc21bee39e%2Flandscape16_9%2F1024%2Fkuntavaalimainos-4.jpg&w=1600&q=80
Your takes on this issue here are absolute garbage. You said yourself you don't read studies. Shut up! You have sold your soul for temporary acceptance from people who will turn against you as soon as you stop pleasing them
All The studies says Finland is top 10 nonracist country in world. Leftist and Putin try to put disinformation in peoples minds claimin Finnish people are nazis 😂
You do realize the "studies" are actually surveys aka. opinions of people thus they're implicitly biased which wasn't accounted for in neither of the surveys. In fact the Red Cross survey explicitly targeted about 10% of their about 1100 respondents to be people who do not speak finnish, swedish or saami language as mother tongue. Neither of the surveys accounted for cultural differences etc. so I would not classify these as actual studies. This is not to say that there isn't rasicm in Finland as that is just naive. But seriously I have seen an immigrant accuse restaurant staff of racism when there were no available seats in the restaurant as the only available table was reserved.
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Thank you so much for promoting peace and understanding in these times when so many are doing the opposite! Kiitti äijä ❤
Thanks Chico. This is important subject now when People are dividing all around western countries and even In Finland. Lets not bring any unecessary racial tension into Finland.
The best way to avoid racial tension is to have less ethnic diversity = high trust society. Sounds good, eh?
A sober take on an issue that is often mingled with other issues. A good approach.
Such a balanced and thoughtful response.
Its good to hear this side of the conversation too. Too many people bring so much negative attention to the racism issue that it seems like things are actually bad when they really are not. Attacking people who disagree with them who then start disliking the cause creating division and hatred between people.
Thanks Chico, I know that and you confirmed it.
Someone once said, if you ask someone who looks foreigner, where are you from? That's considered racist.
Käärijä perfectly explains in cha cha cha the Finnish way: Finns are reserved but on weekends they grab a few drinks and come out of their shells.
Finns keep it real, no fake smiles or small talk, they mean what they say and let loose with some keppana and salmari on the weekend 🇫🇮
Ah, yes, we need alcoholism
Thank you man!
I think part of the issue is that there are some people who have not experienced actual racism (like apartheid or segregation) and tend to play the victim card over everything, including things that have nothing to do with racism because it's the easy way out for them. Obviously racism exists even in Finland just like it does everywhere else too, but not everything comes from racist place. There might be bad experiences, there might be valid concerns and so on. And in Finnish culture, I feel like the situation lot of the time is that few rotten eggs are trying to spoil the whole basket when it comes to immigrants. We see and hear lot of bad things immigrants do even if media keeps silent about it, but those actions gives prejudice towards all immigrants even if we know it is not true. And as sad it is, only immigrants themselves can change Finnish natives minds and only way to do so is positive interactions, not negative ones.
By using victim card person often avoids blaming himself/herself for problems in life. It can make them feel better about themselves when they can blame someone else. It is not used only in race issues, but commonly used by people everywhere.
For example person has not studied, never bothered to work with school grades. Person has never wanted to move after a job or something and has preferred staying on a couch. Person blames government etc. for being poor.
Of course race can have an impact and victim card can be valid, but often it is not. This is how I see it.
Some immigrants are overly sensitive and they assume that any bad thing that happens to them happens because of racism. This needs to stop.
You are a wise man
Nice video! Really happy to hear your thoughts and the experience you have in this lovely country!
As a Finn, I'm proud that you are now in Finland. You're obviously a smart guy and it's good to have people like you in Finland. The message you're saying in this video is on par with ideas that Alex O'Conner shares and that's not a small feat.
Wholesome. Thank you.
I'm bilingually Swedish and Finnish speaking and count myself as an Finn. However very rarely, if I go into the wrong bar or similar I can experience someone telling me to go back to Sweden, but the moment I shout back 'Turpa tukkoon!' plus some sentence. In perfect Finnish they shut up. I've often wondered why? My personal view is that Racism in Finland isn't originally based on skin colour, due to the lack of wide spread colonialism in other countries, with most immigrants having arrived arrived post-1990's when more modern ideas were a thing by then. But with history instead rooted with fighting Russia etc. I'd argue racism is more linguistical that any other category. A foreign sounding name or speaking broken finnish might be the biggest discriminatory factor. Though this is my perspective.
I agre as a finn thats speek swedich
Curious, I've always assumed Swedes get kinda lumped in with the locals as we are basically the same. Guess my views are colored by my time in Porvoo.
@@B1gLupu If you called me a Swede to my face I'd be slightly offended. Every-time I visit Stockholm, due to my accent, treated way worse. It's usually only, when I travel outside the areas where Swedish is official, visit friends in unilingual areas, go to a bar and we talk in Swedish. Then 95% nothing happens, 5% some drunk finn comes up and says racist stuff. Though the moment you switch to Finnish they usually shut up and look at you with surprise. Where I'm from, going to a bar, I can often talk in Swedish to someone, while getting back from them Finnish.
Though I have relatives who have a more Swedenswedish sounding accent, talking to them, they tend to have less problems in Sweden, while get more racist comments from Finns. While my accent is basically more Finnish than most Finns, I can blend into the crowd better.
@@Kendji-the-Great i agre! I I feel the same!
@@Kendji-the-Great jag talar 1 svenska sen engelska finska är 3 språket men jag klarar mig nog på finska men det blir missförstånd ibland då väljer jag svenska 1
I really like what you are doing and Im so happy that you live in Finland. You are a true Finn. Lykkyä tykö ja perkele jatka samaan malliin!
If someone says to me that a "Country is racist" it leads me to believe that the country itself is racist. It could be things like policies and laws exclude certain people, maybe school or job opportunities are being cut off for specific reasons or even that a country wont support immigration or that they wont accept refugees or provide asylums. Thats just some of the things that come to mind. Now, as a Finnish girl, lived here for all my 34 years of life, i Know for a fact that none of these things are correct when it comes to Finland. And racism on a personal level.. i can only talk about the things ive seen or heard in my life and based on that lived experience, i would dare to argue that racism is not an issue in Finland. So far, ive never looked at anyone differently, just because they look different from me. Were all humans first. And i have worked part time in a language shcool for adults, and what i have seen and heard there and from them.. racism complaints are not among them. Ive never seen a incident where racism was the cause/intent, and i am sure that there are individuals like that and that there are racist people in Finland, im just sayin that i have not seen/met them in my life. I believe that anyone who comes here, with the hopes of tryin to build a life for themselves, to work and study and even have a family, everyone is welcome as long as they follow the local laws. Respect youre neighbour like you do with youre family and loved ones. Simple as that.
yall literally had the economics minister in 2023 be exposed for being a neo-nazi lol Vilhelm Junnila is all over that shit. fucks sake the nordics resistance movement has ties with the finns party
Only watched two videos from this person. Good videos. I would add one more thing to comment about racism vs immigration criticism.
View that immigration criticism is automatically racist is very harmful in many ways. I have nothing against immigration as such and I work in a global company and have not worked in all Finnish team in over 20 years and office language has been English.
Immigration has brought some problems and those can't really be avoided. It has also brought positive things, but many things could be done better.
All the ideas and very good, open and valid discussions have been and are being turned down and silence, because it has been considered racist without actually being about race or racism. In order to improve and find better ways to integrate immigrants and handle the immigration processes etc. we need to have open discussions. Society has come to a place where you are labelled as a racist if you even bring it up.
We are able to talk about homeless people and what should be done to improve their situation. Or what to do with people with sicknesses etc. We can have conversations about all these things, but we can't talk about similar things if group involved is not white and Finnish. Suddenly it becomes racist. So basically we can't make it better because we don't want to talk about it.
You are absolutely on point
Dear lord it is an enjoyment to listen to moderate, well-argued thoughts. Please go into academia!
I find it so odd there are Finnish people actually arguing against this rhetoric and trying to prove it false, as if to change your mind. As a white Finnish person I think it's incredible that a person of color can say that Finland is not a racist country from their own experiences, and that matters to me more than a white Finn saying the opposite. You'd think it'd make them feel some kind of pride rather than actively trying to fight against it!
their job is to fight against racism , you know what happens to their job if there is no racism.
Really depends if not liking certain types of immigrants is racist or not
In Finnish we have this saying
“Se kuka sanoo on itte”. Even kids understand the psychology that is implied. Those who cry about racists the loudest are probably the racists themselves. That’s why you’ll find these people promoting initiatives of “anti-racism” (favoring a group of people based on their skin/ethnicity/etc.) or other backwards ideas where we are invited to treat people first as members of their perceived group, rather than as individuals. I was worried that all the noise by this loud minority looking down on immigrants in this way would send all the sane ones away, but at least you didn’t fall for it! Thank you for sticking around.
Just to let you know, and most finns overlook this now as well; there is a very logical explanation on the xenophobia, since prior to the rebuild after WWII it was somewhat uncommon to travel long distances unless for trade. So most "normal people" hardly met people outside their town or a few towns down.
Thank you for your thought on this country and educating people who view this world differently to get a new perspective to our lives on our planet Earth.
No one is perfect, and no one is in heaven, people will have conflicts, but if more people are respectful of each other instead of the negative, We will make a better Earth
And of course as to this topic, Finland can be negative, but mostly, there are either positives or neutrals to counter those negatives. Thank You. 🇫🇮
Thank you sincerely for opening the conversation to this sort of situation, the negative examples given very much feel like people going out of their way to look for things to nitpick and point at to prove their agenda - most of the flagrant racism that I've seen and experienced as a Finn comes from the rural countryside and I would know this because that's where I was born and raised myself, so absolutely nothing new nor specific to finland itself - I personally feel that part of this is ppl simply taking the finnish reservedness and bluntness as racism
I agree that if you have never lived anywhere else (or even travelled), you do not know how good you have it here in Finland. Finland is not perfect but neither is anywhere else. While I think we should always work to be better, lot of my fellow Finns fail to understand how good things already are in this country.
99% of finlands "racism" come from dark jokes made by teens
Well said, you have great insight on things. I like how you recognize that not everything is racism. People just put it everything under that label while many things have nothing to do with it. And it does reveal personal insecurities. For example say you are overweight and you know it. If then someone says something mean you to, you might consider it being because you are overweight. They might not have hinted anything towards that direction but it is the personal insecurity turning it to be the cause.
Like you said, xenophobia is one contributor. Finns are very patriotic, they will defend their country to the last breath. Worth keeping that in mind. If someone comes with attitude that they just came to exploit and take things, you will encounter angry Finns, no question about it. Because that is now seen as an attack towards their homeland. But if the attitude is that you want to be part of it, you want to learn and contribute. You suddenly notice totally different reaction. And this is not even unique to Finland. You go to any country and respect their culture and it's totally different.
And I also liked how you recognized that there will be haters everywhere, about everything, in every spot of the world. That is never going to go away. That has always been the case. And haters are the most vocal group. It's so easy to hear one hater and think it presents the majority. While in reality it's just very small minority. And usually the smaller the group is and more extreme it is, the louder they are. This is made even bigger thing because humans have bias on being vocal about negative things. It could be good weather 300 days of a year and they say nothing about it, but the moment it rains, everyone hears about their opinion. It's just how we are, but it helps being aware of it.
I was once in a mascal exercise and I was doing primary triage with my pair. We had local students as mock casualties.
One student came to talk to me after the drill and asked what I ment when I was triaging him and said to my pair "mennään eteenpäin, tää on musta (let's move on, this one is black)". Of course I had not really registered his skin tone. I only checked basic vitals and the patient card (for the ecercise with more info) and classified him as class 4 (black colour code [musta]) dead or dying patient.
We ended up having a good laugh about it with him. But if he had not come to talk to me it is possible that he might have gotten the experience that he was racially discriminated.
Ooops, early posting...
Lesson to learn here is this: talk to your fellow human being. Not all is how you first percieve it to be ;)
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We are racist and i am tired of pretending that we are not
Love these videos! And I wholeheartedly agree with what you said. I'm a caucasian native Finnish man, but I've been on dates with immigrants that are black or asian and I really never see it as anything else than a different kind of beautiful. Different shades of grey, as they say.
What matters to me is how people behave. It doesn't matter if an aggressive drug addict is black or white or asian. That's besides the point.
Same as if a person is nice and I enjoy their company. It matters just as little as hair color, eye color, whether they're bald, have short hair or long hair. Or if they're a short person or a long person. Male or female. Young or old.
It's kind of the same when some people say that Finns hate Russians. I don't believe that. I believe that Finns hate Russia as a country or as a government. And Putin as a dictator.
Generalization is bad in general. I have some friends that are Russians and they've been kind to me so I have no gripes with them even if I heavily dislike Russia as a country for their politics.
And I also agree with you that focusing too much on hate topics just creates it where it didn't exist.
I used to play with a couple of mates that live in the UK and are from one island near Africa and we always had a blast and I wish to see them sometime in real life.
But if they would've constantly brought up racism, I don't know if that would've affected my mindset in a negative way as if I'd be guilty of something I haven't even done or haven't even thought about.
"Live and let live". There's room for all of us and everyone should treat each other with respect and be kind.
Oftentimes especially customer service people get a lot of flak completely unnecessarily.
They're just doing their job, yet people still throw anger at them because of their own disappointments in life. It's unavoidable, sadly... But things could be a whole lot worse.
I also love that you brought up the culture thing. It's in fact true that most Finns value their privacy and people usually don't sit next to each other if they have any other possibility. And people don't usually start up conversations with strangers most of the time. Smalltalk was never a thing in our country, although sometimes I kind of wish it was (because it's a good way to make friends and to make elevator trips less awkward).
Sorry that my post got a little bit lengthy. There's just a lot of things that came to my mind.
Kaukaasia on hei ihan oikea paikka, joten jos et oo sieltä kotoisin niin et kyllä ole kaukaasialainen. Jos meinaat vaaleaihosta niin sano mieluummin white niin ku englanniks yleensä sanotaan. Tai (pohjois)eurooppalainen. Jenkit käyttää sanaa kaukaasialainen väärin ja ne oikeet kaukaasialaiset (jotka ei ees monet ole niitä jenkkien tarkottamia vaaleahipiäisiä keskieurooppalaisia) ei ihan kauheesti tästä pidä.
Finns are awesome! As a US Expat, I've lived here since 1996. The only real issue is a reduction in tolerance for our uninvited guests. These people often bring incompatible cultural and religious beliefs along with them to Finland. We all see what's happening in Malmö Sweden. Finns simply don't want that to happen here. That's not rācîst, and I don’t like it either.
Finland is not a racist country, butt there is some racist people who live in Finland (most of Finnish people are not racist but that do not mean that anyone in Finland can experience bad luck).
And Chico, don't you get tierd to answer to this same question; "is Finland a racist country?" again and again ?
Its easy views for his channel when Finnish people come to check if their country is actually racist or not
as a white totally Finnish person my only "racist opinion" is that i always rather get a Finnish doctor than a immigrant doctor.
not because i find one better than the other... im just many times frustrated when i cant communicate properly with a doctor and there might be misunderstanding of some things and since its related to my well being and potentially even my life that is not something i want to be on the line.... so ill rather prioritize in trying to get a Finnish doctor over immigrant just cause there is a larger chance that they actually can speak Finnish properly and we can effectively communicate everything and not have misunderstandings...
as a funny example of this from my father... he got sick leave from a doctor because he had a bad case of the flu and he told the doctor that he was sore all over as if someone had battered him... later he found out the doctor had written "patient battered" in the medical data.... (this was all talked in Finnish that was just the translation of it)
also side note to language barriers at my work we have several customers and co-workers that are Russian, Estonian or black/ other ethnicity which i can't place just from hearing them speak and i have no problem with any of them cause even if they are terrible at speaking Finnish to me at most that will just cause some extra work for me... as opposed the doctor visits can have more serious consequence than just some extra work....
It seems like most of the people today are lacking perspective in most matters and have lost common sense.
Have not watched the vid. Yet, but racists are are racists in every coutry, hater's gonna hate.
I come by way more articles and discussion about this topic than I have a chance to be racist towards someone. 😅
"I come here to impose my values and foreign world views upon you and Finnish culture! What? You don't like that? Racist!" Um, sorry, mutta ei ole.
Chico Muya,This is for you! Study here in Finland and find a job in your field,Then lets talk after that.........let me see if you crack the code,except working as hoitaja!
Suomi mainittu, torille!!
I can answer: no, its not
Oh brother, you are lost imo. Growing up in Finland was not good for me. Growing up in Finland was not good for many immigrant people I know. I never felt as a person untill i went abroad to study at 19yo. Ryssäviha (hate of russians(derogatory)) is just accepted mostly as a cultural thing. Neekeri is for some reason widely considered as an insult you can use towards a person of any skin tone, and I've almost never seen someone get shunned for the use of that word.
Your opinion is valid and I'm sure you have many great arguments (as I sadly can't bring myself to watch the video through), but my life experience must be very different from you. Statistically my life means nothing, but as I don't have anything else - it means everything to me. It will take a lot of healing for me to ever trust Finland or finnish people fully and I didn't have any controll over the damage I've recieved as a kid.
Yeah but if we are all 100% honest we all have mofos we just dislike more than others. Mine just happen to have nothing to do with race. Usually its just people who think their god gives them right to do all kinds of things.
Take a look at the situation in southern Sweden. There's many immigrants from certain regions there, and crime rates there have been through the roof for a good time now. That, is the main reason why the most anti-immigrant political party of Finland had such a massive voter base on last parliament elections here. I'm glad that our immigration-responsible minister who's currently sitting on that chair, has made an official refusal to take immigrants from those regions to Finland.
It's a simple fact to me that not all immigrants are equal, no. Far from it. Asians and most africans seem very good people, so latin american folks too, and baltic people like the famous estonians. If everyone who moved here was like them, our anti-immigrant party would have no voters, but that's just not so.
I do not know if I'll vote for them, though. If immigration was the only issue in my head, I would, but it's not. That political party seems to care very little about nature and biodiversity and the well-being of non-human lifeforms. That why I probably won't vote them. I'm a leftist and a green party person, always been, but... they are too blind and tolerant to all immigrants, and that has to stop, so I probably won't vote for them either. I'll just pick a candidate who isn't a member of any political party when the next elections come, because to me, being a puppet of your political party is corrupt. I just don't like people who can't take responsibility of their decisions in the parliament.
Chico, if you're ever gonna run for parliament, I might vote you, you know. You see things as they are and are not easily swayed by opposing views, it seems. That's good. :) Keep it up!
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I thought u were from congo, not South Africa...........
He said in the previous video he was born in one and grew up in the other
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Me and my friends do make racist jokes, and they tend to be dark. And we would still make them with a black man. And we would drink with the guy and form a frienship or try at least. Many of us Finns are like this. Our racist jokes are pretty much based on stereotypes. And they stay as jokes. No matter what.
What can I say to this? Racist jokes are dead in the water. You can make jokes based on race but the joke is the racism and the ignorant person not the stereotype. This is essentially racism you spud
@@bakeraus A type of shock humour is not racism. He just said he would like to have him as a friend or at least try it, and you are upset, why?
In Finland, the n-word is not racist, in my opinion, we really have different words for racist expressions, they are really ugly words and there are different words for people of different races, for us the n-word is the same as someone telling me I'm white, it doesn't mean anything.
Yes, yes it is, where did you hear that? The Finnish n-word sounds even more aggressive than the English version in my opinion.
n-word is contemptuous meaning you do say it for a deep dislike or disgust of a person. That word only has one use which isn't nice towards a person. How many people tell you are white?
No word itself is racist. It is the context that matters.
@PeekasLukkala Have you tried crying about it?
@@radwooah What?
Chico Muya pls stop Milking this issue about racism in Finland,its soo tiring..,you know very well this topic is sensational and controversial news in Finland,As a black person who as lived in Finland for 20+ years.Seems you are trying to steer up people emotions for views and profits!
Watch something else if this doesn't please you. It's that simple.
In the words of Rauski from Turku from the channel Läppävika: "There is a simple solution to this. Watch less youtube.". You moron 😂
@@Shadelio Another one just bite the dust :)
@@Kardinaalilintu Here we go again haha
@@Shadelio Why are you so pained?
The biggest factual argument against your claim that Finland isn't racist is the fact that Finland has a group in the goverment called Perus Suomalainen and it's ideals are ONLY pure Finns in Finland and white only. To make it worse it is the 2nd largest government group in the last election. Our Prime Minister was very nearly a bonified pure Finnish and ONLY Finnish person. KoK has only 2 more seats in parliament than Perus Suomalainen now and SDP is 3rd with 3 less than Perus Suomalainen. So the gap between 2nd and 3rd is even larger.
You're wrong bud. Persut are not against all immigration and it isn't racist to vote for them. They're not white supremacists.
Sorry but you're incorrect. Perussuomalaiset (The Finns Party) doesn't have just whites, they have all kinds of voters and even representatives (Lauri Laitinen, member of The Finns Party Youth, adopted from Philippines). Their main value is that the interests of the finnish people come first. That has nothing to do with white supremacy or racism. You don't have to agree with them politically, but you claiming that the whole party is racist is just completely incorrect.
Even Chico said that there are political things and questions (like immigration) that has nothing to do with racism. You're mixing the two things under the umbrella of racism.
@@Delabeled Ironicly you are being kind of racist right now. You labeling group of People to be something with twisted facts and little to none proof.
So, if Perussuomalaiset is " pure Finns only and white only", then please explain this guy www.mtvuutiset.fi/_next/image?url=https%3A%2F%2Fapi.mtvuutiset.fi%2Fgraphql%2Fcaas%2Fv1%2Fmedia%2F6380264%2Fdata%2Fa8b12e62135b3ce0d66861cc21bee39e%2Flandscape16_9%2F1024%2Fkuntavaalimainos-4.jpg&w=1600&q=80
Your takes on this issue here are absolute garbage. You said yourself you don't read studies. Shut up! You have sold your soul for temporary acceptance from people who will turn against you as soon as you stop pleasing them
What exactly he should do and say then, according to you?
@@iwona917 He should go back where he belongs
All The studies says Finland is top 10 nonracist country in world. Leftist and Putin try to put disinformation in peoples minds claimin Finnish people are nazis 😂
You do realize the "studies" are actually surveys aka. opinions of people thus they're implicitly biased which wasn't accounted for in neither of the surveys. In fact the Red Cross survey explicitly targeted about 10% of their about 1100 respondents to be people who do not speak finnish, swedish or saami language as mother tongue. Neither of the surveys accounted for cultural differences etc. so I would not classify these as actual studies.
This is not to say that there isn't rasicm in Finland as that is just naive. But seriously I have seen an immigrant accuse restaurant staff of racism when there were no available seats in the restaurant as the only available table was reserved.
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You remind me of Trevor Noah who also projects hope and good will 🫡
Keep it going!