The most satisfying integral -- 3 ways

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  • Опубликовано: 22 янв 2025

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  • @rzeqdw
    @rzeqdw День назад +23

    10:30
    Reminds me of an old math joke I learned in college
    A mathematician and an engineer are working on math homework together involving 7-dimensional mathematics. The engineer is struggling to really understand the subject matter, but the mathematician is zipping through it
    The engineer says "how is this so easy for you? I mean, 3 dimensions is easy, but 7? I just can't wrap my head around it"
    The mathematician replies: oh it's easy. I just think of it like an N-dimensional problem, and set N to 7"

  • @TomFarrell-p9z
    @TomFarrell-p9z День назад +6

    I like how you explain why you choose each step. The less mystery the better education!

  •  2 дня назад +8

    from Morocco thank you for this clear complete full proofs

  • @mikesmathvideos9381
    @mikesmathvideos9381 День назад +5

    You can use Residue theory

  • @VibratorDefibrilator
    @VibratorDefibrilator 23 часа назад +3

    There are math channels on youtube where this video would be three times longer. I hate long and unnecessarily detailed explanations of supposedly obvious techniques. This video is a nice exception, the right amount of (giant) steps a mathematician needs to take to solve a problem, any problem. The emphasis should be on the ideas, not the techniques to implement them.
    I followed everything with ease, although I can't figure it out off the top of my head. Now I know.
    Thank you, the recreational mathematics is the best.

  • @anthonyheak3479
    @anthonyheak3479 День назад +1

    Very nice explanation professor! Thank you!

  • @redroach401
    @redroach401 День назад +6

    What about complex analysis?

    • @FaruqMathematica-t6y
      @FaruqMathematica-t6y День назад +1

      KINDA HARD SIR.

    • @DrTrefor
      @DrTrefor  23 часа назад +1

      can absolutely be done this way!

    • @redroach401
      @redroach401 18 часов назад

      ​ @DrTrefor Do you have any videos on complex analysis?

  • @journeymantraveller3338
    @journeymantraveller3338 День назад

    So impressive. Use of basic identities and well known rules. Adding the integrals and logs.

    • @DrTrefor
      @DrTrefor  23 часа назад

      it's a cool one!

  • @slavinojunepri7648
    @slavinojunepri7648 День назад +2

    The denominator screams a geometric series with -x^2 as the common ratio, which absolute value is less than 1.

    • @hugohugo37
      @hugohugo37 День назад +2

      I thought that, too. I threw the integrand into Wolfram Alpha to get a Taylor series at x=0. Then you can integrate term by term. Problem is...then you get an infinite series as an answer, which you can't just look at and say....hmmm that looks like ln(2)*PI/8.

  • @dentonyoung4314
    @dentonyoung4314 День назад +3

    The first method was the simplest for me to understand.

    • @DrTrefor
      @DrTrefor  23 часа назад +2

      ya I think that is the most "elementary"

  • @nanamacapagal8342
    @nanamacapagal8342 2 часа назад

    The way I solved it (method 4): I expanded ln(1+x) into its Taylor series.
    Took way longer and had to use a lot more tricks. The integrals themselves became quick and easy (albeit infinitely many), but then there was the summation part.
    Had to use some weird manipulations, and ended up using these two specific sums over and over again
    1/2 - 1/4 + 1/6 - 1/8 + ... = ln(2)/2
    1 - 1/3 + 1/5 - 1/7 + ... = pi/4
    What matters is at the end I got to pi * ln(2) / 8. So it's all good

  • @Happy_Abe
    @Happy_Abe День назад

    @6:04 doesn’t continuity only guarantee this in the case of a bounded interval, but in general we would need the integrals to be integrable to do the swap?

    • @DrTrefor
      @DrTrefor  День назад +3

      ya for sure, our region is the square [0,1]\times[0,1] so it works here

  • @Kobe290
    @Kobe290 5 часов назад

    Do you have a video on your set-up?
    What softwares and set up are you using for this video?

  • @thisisntthefirsttime
    @thisisntthefirsttime 2 дня назад +2

    great video! there's also another method involving some rather tedious work but also works for Serret's Integral
    1. substitute x = tan(theta)
    2. cancel out sec^2
    3. combine the inner term of the natural log
    4. utilize the harmonic addition for its numerator
    5. utilize log properties twice to get three terms (the first term directly gives the final answer)
    6. cancel out the remaining cosine terms using King's integral

    • @thisisntthefirsttime
      @thisisntthefirsttime 2 дня назад

      i just noticed this method was mentioned by @Unoqualunque in the stack exchange post you linked, oh well!

    • @DrTrefor
      @DrTrefor  2 дня назад

      oh very nice one!

    • @bjornfeuerbacher5514
      @bjornfeuerbacher5514 День назад

      By 3., you probably mean that one writes 1 + tan(theta) = (cos(theta) + sin(theta))/cos(theta)?
      But what does "harmonic addition" in 4. mean?

    • @Happy_Abe
      @Happy_Abe День назад

      @@bjornfeuerbacher5514also wondering

    • @thisisntthefirsttime
      @thisisntthefirsttime День назад +1

      @@bjornfeuerbacher5514 sorry i wrote this at 2 am, i meant the harmonic addition theorem

  • @moustaphamoustapha5925
    @moustaphamoustapha5925 2 дня назад +15

    It can also be solved by placing x=(1-t)/(1+t)

    • @DrTrefor
      @DrTrefor  2 дня назад +9

      Yup, that's a great method:)

    • @MichaelMaths_
      @MichaelMaths_ 2 дня назад +3

      Very smart mobius transform

  • @EPRequalsEr
    @EPRequalsEr 8 часов назад

    I may sound a little arrogant but these intergrals are taught in high schools in India. This particular integral was solved by the first method you used .

  • @mitchok5555
    @mitchok5555 День назад +1

    I opened this and this video started with german synced voice, damn that sounded super shit

    • @DrTrefor
      @DrTrefor  23 часа назад +1

      youtube is tripping

  • @alinaddaf2474
    @alinaddaf2474 21 час назад +1

    Math is the explain of the grey hair and young face

  • @AfunnaFarah
    @AfunnaFarah 2 дня назад +1

    Dr trefor Thank you for your helpful videos! I have an exam on Thursday and was wondering if you could revisit or explain more about the equivalence of propositions in another video. Your teaching style really helps me understand better. Thank you so much!"

    • @DrTrefor
      @DrTrefor  2 дня назад +2

      I doubt I can do that by thursday! But that is a good idea:) You've seen my discrete math playlist? I have a few videos there that might help.

    • @AfunnaFarah
      @AfunnaFarah 2 дня назад

      @DrTrefor Thank you for your reply! I’ve watched the video in your playlist, but I’m still confused about how to determine the truth value of equivalence propositions step by step. Could you explain this part in more detail or provide an example? It would really help clear up my confusion.

  • @makotoniijima862
    @makotoniijima862 2 дня назад +2

    Feyman's trick is also what I did

  • @tandemcompound2
    @tandemcompound2 День назад

    not satisfying, just mountains more confusion. ...- a struggling math student.