The bare shoulders are contradictory, but -- and I have no idea of the actual skin line lore -- I think you could see it as a kind of "fae mimicking human choices without knowing why." She has fur not because she's cold -- she's a winter fae, why would she be cold? She's emulating style without substance. The problem is that if you want to make a skin that intentionally comes off as style without substance you need to make sure it's understood that this is intended, that it's an in universe trait. And I doubt they intended this reading.
@@oyeaxD Different perspectives. You're offering an irl explanation, while the original comment offered an in-universe one. Both are important, but it's equally so to understand you're coming into it with different intentions.
@@oyeaxD I know. I'm not dismissing that that's the real intended reason. But that's not all that is valuable. If someone WANTS to search for a deeper reason beyond that, that's fine. Great, even. Watsonian vs doylist. They're looking for a watsonian (in-universe) explanation, you're looking for a doylist (real life) one. And that's fair. If all analysis was "this happened because [sex sells, the story needs to happen somehow, etc etc]", then it would get old real quick, but it's still got value.
Praying mantis would be the easiest choice. Bonus points, it's not one of the obviously cute bugs, so they'd have to work to make it fit with Lillia. Sounds fun!
Oh and shes shivering! I guess in her base form it was to show shyness but here with a winter theme it takes a completely new meaning! Especially with those less than practical clothing choices!
I love how you aren't even acknowleging the pointless gold anymore, its just the default now, itd be like acknowleging that a letter was written with ink.
@@wallewonks This isn't the most outragous case since at least the gold contrasts nice enough with the blue and the gold kinda makes sense for a court librarian, but the general problem is that Riot keeps putting gold on absolutely everything (like bloodmoon fiddlesticks, where it both makes no sense to use gold both logically and thematically), which really oversaturates its usage. If they used it more sparingly, the use of gold could actually mean something and be a tool, both for storytelling but also to make those skins who have it more actually feel special. For example if the fairy court line established a different accent material for each season, that could be used to better recognise what season they belong to, they also could have used different accent materials to seperate them by rank, like seperating the servants, nobles and royals at the court. In short, mindless overusage of visual elements in designs often leads to less opportunities to tell stories or create unique designs.
@@lunathic oh, I see. Yeah, now when I look at it that way, I don’t like the gold in it anymore. I think it would look very nice if the gold was replaced with a super bright frosty white-blue, with little snowflakey frosty things
The fur and wings Lillia has going on evoke the idea of butterflies and moths, so the patterns on her legs I'd argue are akin to the body segmentation of insects, as a sort of "we can't really make her lower half that of an actual insect but we can do this atleast" effect
I appreciate me a good "backless top and long gloves" look as much as the next gal but I gotta agree with Skyen here On another character, another design, another idea, sure. Ignoring all the unique sexiness of winter styles in favor of showing off skin where it doesn't make sense? No way.
Thinking about it, I think the reason Lillia got bare shoulders & back is because it's a Faerie Court skins. Don't most of the FC ladies have bare shoulders & backs on their skins to some degree? I guess the skin team just did it as a default without really considering what this skin was going for.
I associate leggings with winter just because whenever the winter season starts for me I have a bunch of insulated leggings that I wear (so to me it makes sense Lillia wearing such).
Hearing more and more Genshin OSTs in the backgrounds of these videos makes me happy, I'm glad you enjoy the music as well and feel it fits a lot of these character designs!
wrymforge/tart had such good concepts for this skin and think the higher ups just fumbled on deciding on/changing the design so much. super bittersweet skin bc it was tart's last skin to release (they were part of the wave of firings this year). also agreeing with the other comment that the spider silk one is a banger
The shoulders, armpits, and open back are for the midriff and armpit fans as well as the tights for people into hosiery. Which is questionable especially for hosiery on the legs of a deer.
On one hand, I think centaurs would want to clothe their legs about as much as humans do-inconsistently, but often enough that they'd design garments for the purpose. So giving Faerie Court Lillia such a garment is theoretically neat. On the other hand, I'm pretty sure that the Lillia's leggings would not actually work or be comfortable.
There are a lot of "coated" leggings so could be based on that and I'm just guessing but maybe the open back is based on Ice Skaters? It looks like an outfit they'd wear honestly
I read this as more of a "there is no real winter here, but I gotta keep up the appearance" kinda thing. Some like the aesthetic of winter like clothing, but more as a fashion statement and not as something thats actually serving a purpose
I mean...if she's a winter court faerie...she won't need anything on her shoulders and back. She literally couldn't feel cold in any environment that humans can live in.
I interpreted the tassels on the hoves as exactly that: Tassels, not leggins. Also naked shulders are pretty often used to have a character show more skin, to allude to sexyness
Kane was 16 when he made his first Backrooms video! Also, his Backrooms videos aren't the first ever to exist. His just became very popular. There were a few Backrooms videos before his. One of which was Evan Royalty's, the guy who did SCP short films like Overlord. Liminal space became popular in 2019 then exploded in 2020.
with how the legs have grooves in the splash art and on the back of the legs in her in-game model, I always assumed she was more like a bug-centaur rather than intended to be a deer wearing bug-themed pants. I think if this is the case they should have gave it a little more effort by making the joints look more segmented though.
This skin and Aurora has the exact same winter fashion problem: too skimpy and needs more fur (especially when it makes sense to have them as beastfolk).
At first glance, the top half of her attire read as adjacent to a women's figure skating costume, which may simulate the appearance of bare shoulders and back with fleshtone fabrics. That's not to say her outfit is rendered as having fleshtone fabric here, but my assumption was that such figure skating costuming was the inspiration 🤷♂️
Issue for me with the skin as a Lillia player is its just more of the same. Default, Spirit Blossom, Shanghi and Faerie Court give me the same fantasy of being a helpful spirit/fae being.
I really wanted the coat to transition into something like a real horse blanket... I think its a bit silly having a torso-only coat end in white fur- just to lead into a white fur back? when a draping coat long her back could of have the same look but feel less human with attached deer butt
I think I see the problem they tried to solve with the pants: Imagine they left her legs bare instead. Now, since we have the thick fur on the back and we agree that it's good, we have to decide whether to continue it down her legs or not. If we continue the thick fur down her legs, this looks sensibly like the legs of some cold-weather animal. The problem I could see here, though, is that it changes her in-game silhouette too much, so that she wouldn't read clearly anymore. Since that's among their top priorities when designing skins (reasonably so), we can't have that. If, instead, we just leave the legs with normal fur, we run into the problem that it looks absolutely ridiculous to have the thick fur on the back, but then be on thin, uncovered legs so you lose all the warmth anyways. It doesn't look like a believable animal; the first two adaptations against the cold are usually thicker fur and stockier limbs. So they went with option C instead, where they give her leggings, with the implication seemingly being that they're stuffed full of fur inside (or at least that's what it looks like with it barging out at the hips). At least, that's the most sensible explanation I could come up with. The minds of the Designers At Riot™ remain unknowable.
I personally didn’t interpret them as pants and more so just the color of her fur? But im not familiar with what her design usually looks like so maybe that adds context
Maybe the "leggings" are censorship BUT since she is a winter antler or around that, being that color means her blood in her extremities are not flowing well so it's that dark coloring. Or maybe is just style to protect from cold
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"this isn't sexy" Dumbs would be the judge of that.
he's moved on to obsessing over aurora, he's not loyal to lillia and never truly was
@@kuroshiimae1195Dumbs is a fraud furry I'm afraid
@@kuroshiimae1195 I mean can you blame him after what riot did with aurora, cause i ain't gonna lie they really know they audience 😅
Don't challenge him
The bare shoulders are contradictory, but -- and I have no idea of the actual skin line lore -- I think you could see it as a kind of "fae mimicking human choices without knowing why." She has fur not because she's cold -- she's a winter fae, why would she be cold? She's emulating style without substance.
The problem is that if you want to make a skin that intentionally comes off as style without substance you need to make sure it's understood that this is intended, that it's an in universe trait. And I doubt they intended this reading.
I'd also throw in whatever Asian influence? I remember shoulders being historically sexualized in Chinese stories.
The fae are just A.I. confirmed
Fae.I., if you will
@@oyeaxD Different perspectives. You're offering an irl explanation, while the original comment offered an in-universe one. Both are important, but it's equally so to understand you're coming into it with different intentions.
@@oyeaxD I know. I'm not dismissing that that's the real intended reason. But that's not all that is valuable. If someone WANTS to search for a deeper reason beyond that, that's fine. Great, even.
Watsonian vs doylist. They're looking for a watsonian (in-universe) explanation, you're looking for a doylist (real life) one. And that's fair.
If all analysis was "this happened because [sex sells, the story needs to happen somehow, etc etc]", then it would get old real quick, but it's still got value.
Ah yes, the Lostbelt 6 explanation
Lillia woke up from that "I'm not wearing any pants" dream and took it personally.
When I saw this skin I Really beg to have new voice lines, something like "wow, pants so cool!" Would be so amazing...
They gave her clothes where there should be non, and non where there should be clothes.
She could have had fluffy leg warmers on
missed opportunity 😭
Hear me out.
Centaur leggings.
If a deer wore pants would they go like this?
Haha, my first thought - it's like the skin was made to explicitly answer this (meme) question xD
They’re not leggings, they reskinned her deer body to look more like a reindeer’s winter coat, which is dark on the belly and legs with a white back.
Yeah I though that was pretty obvious lol idk what bros on about
@@Fitzness1 He lives in Denmark, probably doesn’t see many reindeer.
It also kind of looks like the deer part is wearing a horse blanket
Thats want i was thinking too! I didn’t interpret it as pants at all just a different fur colour
Riot really did the "if horses wore pants" meme with this skin
I want a Lillia skin where they make her a straight up bug. Like, swap out her legs and arms with insectoid limbs.
Yooooooooo, that sounds fckn amazing. At least it sounds like it COULD be amazing as long as they nail the execution of it.
Praying mantis would be the easiest choice. Bonus points, it's not one of the obviously cute bugs, so they'd have to work to make it fit with Lillia. Sounds fun!
YEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEESSSS
I want a Yuumi skin where they make her an alien parasite. She fuses with her ally when she uses her W.
That would actually be rad
Oh and shes shivering!
I guess in her base form it was to show shyness but here with a winter theme it takes a completely new meaning! Especially with those less than practical clothing choices!
I love how you aren't even acknowleging the pointless gold anymore, its just the default now, itd be like acknowleging that a letter was written with ink.
I’m kind of new to this channel, what do you mean by ‘pointless’? Like that it doesn’t fit the theme, or how?
@@wallewonks This isn't the most outragous case since at least the gold contrasts nice enough with the blue and the gold kinda makes sense for a court librarian, but the general problem is that Riot keeps putting gold on absolutely everything (like bloodmoon fiddlesticks, where it both makes no sense to use gold both logically and thematically), which really oversaturates its usage. If they used it more sparingly, the use of gold could actually mean something and be a tool, both for storytelling but also to make those skins who have it more actually feel special.
For example if the fairy court line established a different accent material for each season, that could be used to better recognise what season they belong to, they also could have used different accent materials to seperate them by rank, like seperating the servants, nobles and royals at the court.
In short, mindless overusage of visual elements in designs often leads to less opportunities to tell stories or create unique designs.
@@lunathic oh, I see. Yeah, now when I look at it that way, I don’t like the gold in it anymore. I think it would look very nice if the gold was replaced with a super bright frosty white-blue, with little snowflakey frosty things
i think the shoulders being bare is actually pretty funny because the cut style is called a “cold shoulder”
The genshin ost hitting hard
Name?
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One of dragonspine osts
Lol, glad I'm not the only one that caught that
@@alexisvache5751 Specifically the track 'Glistening Shards', I think
The whole dragonspine one reminds me of League's winter map so much
The fur and wings Lillia has going on evoke the idea of butterflies and moths, so the patterns on her legs I'd argue are akin to the body segmentation of insects, as a sort of "we can't really make her lower half that of an actual insect but we can do this atleast" effect
The fact that now I realized the implications of doing fanservice with Lilia 💀
Pardon?
Atleast the skin answers the every looming question of how a horse would wear pants
Would have been great to have her deer body be brown with white markings resembling snowfall. Could have done a whole snowflake theme with her.
Dragonspine music
OMG I THOUGHT I WAS DELULU I knew it sounded like it
This skin raises the awkward question of how exactly Lillia puts on pants
the concept art made me hate it more, the one where she had a shawl made out of spider webs and raindrops was PEAK
Also she’s the only “fairy” without wings in any of her animations and that ANGERS me.
Not fanservice? THAT IS SHOULDER-GUY ERASURE AND I WILL NOT STAND FOR IT!!! 😤
I appreciate me a good "backless top and long gloves" look as much as the next gal but I gotta agree with Skyen here
On another character, another design, another idea, sure. Ignoring all the unique sexiness of winter styles in favor of showing off skin where it doesn't make sense? No way.
Ayeee
Genshin music consistently appearing in these shorts makes me hopeful we'll hear your opinion on the OST or the trailers one day.
Do you know the track name it sounds so pretty 🥹
He already reviewed yae miko's design once
@@hekau714what video
@@mysteriousdora6914 "yae miko is extremely pretty". Just search up "yae miko tb skyen".
@@rockotako glistening shards. One of the dragonspine's OST's👍
Giving her a fur coat would give her a level of elegance or majesty that completes the theme of the skin line
They really went "If a deer wore pants, which way would they wear them" and chose one
Thinking about it, I think the reason Lillia got bare shoulders & back is because it's a Faerie Court skins.
Don't most of the FC ladies have bare shoulders & backs on their skins to some degree? I guess the skin team just did it as a default without really considering what this skin was going for.
"this isn't sexy or-"
*I am that menace.*
Also she looks like a cryo crystalfly or cryo cicin mage.
Not that you mention the back thing, it would've been so cute if she was wearing a little blanket now that I think about it.
I associate leggings with winter just because whenever the winter season starts for me I have a bunch of insulated leggings that I wear (so to me it makes sense Lillia wearing such).
Hearing more and more Genshin OSTs in the backgrounds of these videos makes me happy, I'm glad you enjoy the music as well and feel it fits a lot of these character designs!
ALWAYS THE BEST MUSIC CHOICES THANK YOU SKYEN
Don't forget that the spell effects on this skin are gorgeous
The genshin music fits the winter theme to this skin
I see a running theme with the Faerie Court skins: Good, but could be better.
All her concept art had her with glasses, too.
The bare shoulders and bare back underneath a winter look is so genshin that the soundtrack fits even more 😭😭
wrymforge/tart had such good concepts for this skin and think the higher ups just fumbled on deciding on/changing the design so much. super bittersweet skin bc it was tart's last skin to release (they were part of the wave of firings this year). also agreeing with the other comment that the spider silk one is a banger
They gave the winter fairy a cold shoulder sweater omg
Furry deer legs would make this design 10x cuter
Well, at least we now know the answer to "if a deer wore pants"
I want a Legendary Lillia skin where she’s a human riding a headless horse. I think it would be an absolute slay.
The shoulders, armpits, and open back are for the midriff and armpit fans as well as the tights for people into hosiery. Which is questionable especially for hosiery on the legs of a deer.
Would. Next.
On one hand, I think centaurs would want to clothe their legs about as much as humans do-inconsistently, but often enough that they'd design garments for the purpose. So giving Faerie Court Lillia such a garment is theoretically neat.
On the other hand, I'm pretty sure that the Lillia's leggings would not actually work or be comfortable.
The "pants" are probably thermal tights, maybe
To me this is her best skin😊
It's winter in my country and just seeing her exposed back gives me a cold😭
There are a lot of "coated" leggings so could be based on that and I'm just guessing but maybe the open back is based on Ice Skaters? It looks like an outfit they'd wear honestly
they couldve given her poodle-like fur linings around her ankles, or a cloak for her back.
It's very 'santa baby' revealing
I read this as more of a "there is no real winter here, but I gotta keep up the appearance" kinda thing. Some like the aesthetic of winter like clothing, but more as a fashion statement and not as something thats actually serving a purpose
I mean...if she's a winter court faerie...she won't need anything on her shoulders and back. She literally couldn't feel cold in any environment that humans can live in.
Oh dear, smash. Next question.
Dragonspine music :)
The genshin music in the bg for a skin with unnecessary shoulders and back shown lmao
Finally, we know how Lillia would wear pants
I wonder if the winter fairies here actually feel cold or if the fur lined clothes just for ✨aesthetics✨
I think an Autumn deer fairy wouldve been a lot better for her in this skinline and save the winter skin for later
I mean the “pants” could just be her actual body with black color, wearing ruffled bracelets on each hoof
I say this because I play this game. This is one of the most Genshin Impact outfits of all time
Genshin OST in the background goes hard love that album so much
I was so stuck on what song is playing in the background. Then I realized dragonspine
The school districts don't agree on the shoulder's comment
I interpreted the tassels on the hoves as exactly that: Tassels, not leggins.
Also naked shulders are pretty often used to have a character show more skin, to allude to sexyness
this is one of my favorite lillia skins!
Meybe she puts a cape when going out
DEER PANTS DEER PANTS
Riot seems to have NO idea what to do with winter clothes for any champion or skin
im betting its because the designers had the how would a horse/deer wear pants like this or that chat and then couldnt leave it out
So, this is how a centaur wears pants?
Kane was 16 when he made his first Backrooms video!
Also, his Backrooms videos aren't the first ever to exist. His just became very popular. There were a few Backrooms videos before his. One of which was Evan Royalty's, the guy who did SCP short films like Overlord.
Liminal space became popular in 2019 then exploded in 2020.
with how the legs have grooves in the splash art and on the back of the legs in her in-game model, I always assumed she was more like a bug-centaur rather than intended to be a deer wearing bug-themed pants. I think if this is the case they should have gave it a little more effort by making the joints look more segmented though.
Probably cuz if they put heavy coat on the legs it would look like a malformed sejuani
This skin and Aurora has the exact same winter fashion problem: too skimpy and needs more fur (especially when it makes sense to have them as beastfolk).
I triple-dog dare Riot to make a female champion that is fully covered
Riot is just allergic to clothes
Sad we didn't get the Autumn version where she was a lot more mothy, or the version with spiderwebs.
Everybody knows the skin exposure was for Riot Kent on the TFT team lol
The back is open because youre supposed to hug her to keep her warm
This skin, more than any, makes her look like she just has a regular girl body with the horse part attached to it
Dragonspine theme❤
The Genshin Impact DragonSpine OST is great!
At first glance, the top half of her attire read as adjacent to a women's figure skating costume, which may simulate the appearance of bare shoulders and back with fleshtone fabrics. That's not to say her outfit is rendered as having fleshtone fabric here, but my assumption was that such figure skating costuming was the inspiration 🤷♂️
I was about to go to sleep 🥲
I mean a winter fairy wouldn't really be affected by the cold
Issue for me with the skin as a Lillia player is its just more of the same. Default, Spirit Blossom, Shanghi and Faerie Court give me the same fantasy of being a helpful spirit/fae being.
I really wanted the coat to transition into something like a real horse blanket... I think its a bit silly having a torso-only coat end in white fur- just to lead into a white fur back? when a draping coat long her back could of have the same look but feel less human with attached deer butt
Who cares about the why? How about we ask the real questions. HOW?!?!
I haven’t gone back to dragonspine in so long….
If a deertaur were to wear pants, would it wear them like...
i hear u dragonspine music
Greetings prasie algorithm gods
If only companies knew that female characters can be likeable WITHOUT showing some part of their body
I thought the deer body was just colored black and she was just wearing anklets
I think I see the problem they tried to solve with the pants:
Imagine they left her legs bare instead. Now, since we have the thick fur on the back and we agree that it's good, we have to decide whether to continue it down her legs or not.
If we continue the thick fur down her legs, this looks sensibly like the legs of some cold-weather animal. The problem I could see here, though, is that it changes her in-game silhouette too much, so that she wouldn't read clearly anymore. Since that's among their top priorities when designing skins (reasonably so), we can't have that.
If, instead, we just leave the legs with normal fur, we run into the problem that it looks absolutely ridiculous to have the thick fur on the back, but then be on thin, uncovered legs so you lose all the warmth anyways. It doesn't look like a believable animal; the first two adaptations against the cold are usually thicker fur and stockier limbs.
So they went with option C instead, where they give her leggings, with the implication seemingly being that they're stuffed full of fur inside (or at least that's what it looks like with it barging out at the hips).
At least, that's the most sensible explanation I could come up with. The minds of the Designers At Riot™ remain unknowable.
All that being said, no amount of justification makes the bare back make sense. Maybe she went winter shopping with Ashe or something.
I personally didn’t interpret them as pants and more so just the color of her fur? But im not familiar with what her design usually looks like so maybe that adds context
Maybe the "leggings" are censorship
BUT since she is a winter antler or around that, being that color means her blood in her extremities are not flowing well so it's that dark coloring.
Or maybe is just style to protect from cold
Maybe we have an polarbear situation, black skin underneath white fur and she shaved her legs °L°