Some will have forgotten who Titania McGrath is, and think you're serious. Lol. (Brilliant cooment on your part, btw. Very shiny in the truest sense of those words.)
I have been doing social justic work for my whole life and professionally for almost two decades now...what we see today is not the work I got into. And I will never stop fighting to bring us back to reality and sanity.
@Danny Timms you are accusing someone and casting aspersions based upon a person that wrote in about 3 sentences. And he sounded repentant. What kind of person are you?
There used to be people without legal rights that need represented. We are living in an era where legally rights have been won there's nowhere to go but to crazy town.
NPR's worst nightmare: poor background, Oxford educated on scholarship, Labour-voting lefty, gay. He voted for Brexit but that has no meaning in the US. They'd have to edit out everything but prepositions.
@@cosettapessa6417 It is the complexity in that Nailbunny profile of satirist Andrew Doyle that nixes him from our context-less and complexity-less Private Affairs News Reporting industry that also nixes him from our Pay2Play Public Broadasting Corporate Underwritten System. That and the fact he (Andrew Doyle) isn't given to peer review in his chosen profession of info'tainment, where playing to the Shakespearean ground level standing room nearest the stage paid audience means he gets mostly self-selected folks who aggrieve errrrrr agree with his views. Reaction is as reaction does. Not to be mistaken for the process inherent in authentic polemics that is more often found in silo'd specialized PhD publications. I've no background or previous familiarity with Andrew Doyle and I read widely, especially the indie and usually justifiably aggrieved entertainers, some of whom like Boghossian are worthy polemical educators (even Merry Pranksters of Publish\Perish specialized and silo'd periodicals and policy papers. Let us go back now and search online for the Policy Failures of Always Failing Upwards circa 1980's Public Interest policy wunderkinds like the highly paid and conflicted interests Financial Advisor to both of our Duopoly Presidential administrations, Larry Summers. Search words: FAILING UPWARDS LAWRENCE SUMMERS or SUMMERS KEEPS GETTING PROMOTED AFTER EACH POLICY PRESCRIPTION WRECKS NATIONAL ECONOMY AND CONCENTRATES WEALTH EVEN MORE Mitch Ritter\Paradigm Sifters, Code Shifters, PsalmSong Chasers Lay-Low Studios, Ore-Wa (Refuge of Atonement Seekers) Media Discussion List\Looksee
This was probably my favorite book of 2022. It was such a brilliant, concise distillation of the cultural milieu. The Salem witch trials were a perfect analogy, I went back through the Crucible because of this book. Thanks Professor B.
Andrew is correct, the powerful people listen to the ones yelling “witch/TERF”. It takes a critical mass of people to say “no”. Standing up is the hardest act for a human, going along to get along is easier.
@@wandajean5186 Yeah, they are. I say this as a trans-desister. Trans people absolutely use cult tactics to indoctrinate young people. "Predator" is an apt descriptor for the ideologically-motivated trans activists.
Great discussion guys, much appreciated. I'm in the San Francisco Bay area and can report that this woke ideology has wormed its way into the local governments, schools and the big tech companies. There's a palpable fear in the business community to go alone with this madness to avoid organized campaigns attacking their brands. The more good content like yours that people connect with, the more progress can be made in rolling back this lunacy.
“Do I look like a person who does JuJitsu” You don’t need Jujitsu Andrew, you are already deadly, armed with a razor sharp wit a devastating intellect and a disarming personality. Keep up your great work 👍
This was amazing, Peter. I'm getting the book and recommending this video to those whom I know have been drastically effected by the WOKE movement. My hope is that some of them have Andrew Doyle on for an interview, too, to help get his words and book out to more of the world. My grateful thanks to both of you.
When you hear "Tavistock has sterilized a generation of gay kids" out loud... it's chilling. Gender affirming care is like telling Karen Carpenter to stay on her diet.
Unfortunately, "internalized homophobia" sound very similar to "internalized transphobia". The difference is that the former is actually driving much of the movement in the trans space.
You make them feel small. I also fat and ginger at school (still ginger) and I had a bully say to me "You're a ginger fatty". I replied, "Thank-you so much Jenna, you're a genius. I had no idea that I was fat or ginger without your wisdom". Everyone who heard it laughed at her, that was the last time she bothered me.
Two of my favourite people I discovered on RUclips speaking with each other. Time to get comfortable and enjoy it. Thanks again, Peter, you have so much wonderful content you're producing. I've been getting family and friends to watch it and then we discuss. The recent NPR series was a great conversation starter. Plus of course Andrew is a treasure, not just for discussing these serious matters but also because of his sometimes scorching humour. It ought not surprise you to know the videos about the hoax papers with your collaborators and the occasions I've seen Andrew interviewed about Titania are some of my favourite and reliable unbridled mirth producers.
I can confirm that in other languages or at least in mine (Slovak) wokeism spreads in English. Because in Slovak many things do not make sense and sound very silly. Now, things are 'queer', we see 'shaming', 'gender' is a concept that barely makes sense outside of linguistics, either. Amazing video, Peter. I like your work. Thank you.
"Gender" used to be exclusvely a grammatical term. It was co-opted by this insanity because the notion of grammitcal gender suggests that physical sex also is arbitrary. So it was handy.
Love the logical simplicity non bias just straight truth hunting content you put out Peter. So glad we haven't completely lost our sanity yet. Much love and power to you sir.
Thank you so much for this excellent interview. The two of you give me hope and provide me with the assurance I need to know I'm not alone. That's pretty hard to come by in San Francisco, where people who think this way practically have to hide in dark stairwells to discuss it!
You are mistaken! Many Californians are abandoning the path to hell (the "good," intentions of the social justice warts) in favor of trying to acquire some tried and true "conservative," values.
@@cmonman3639 As I watched the video yesterday, I kept imagining what a conversation with a friend would sound like: (Question, in a whisper) "Did you order Andrew Doyle's book?" (Response, in a whisper) "Yes, but I used a fake name and I'm having it delivered to PO Box...you know, just in case...."
@@cmonman3639that’s the main question I gave - how many people truly believe the woke ideology? It’s very hard to tell as very few are rush to speak openly about it
Agreed. I was amazed at how well he sums it all up and communicates it in a detailed and articulate, but logical and understandable way. His other interview with Peter is even better. Its a lot longer but if you've got the time it's a real eye opener.
Respected British anthropology professor, Dr. Edward Dutton, has demonstrated that “LEFTISM” is due to genetic mutations caused by poor breeding strategies. 🤡 To put it simply, in recent decades, those persons who exhibit leftist traits such as egalitarianism, feminism, gynocentrism, socialism, multiculturalism, transvestism, homosexuality, perverse morality, and laziness, have been reproducing at rates far exceeding the previous norm, leading to an explosion of insane, narcissistic SOCIOPATHS in (mostly) Western societies.
The trans medicalization of children are the equivalent of sexual lobotomies. Actual lobotomies back in the 30s and 40s were helpful to a very small number of people and you could argue they had a role, but were terribly harmful to most who received them. This is a similar scandal.
Lobotomies were not good for anyone. They result in split - brain patients. I studied it in college, the results were quite cruel. I took a special interest in it as I have epilepsy and the thought that it could have been me was terrifying.
@@Madonnalitta1 There was a very small minority of people who spoke of how it helped them, much like the very few transpeople whose transition has stood the test of time, like Buck Angel. But it was cruel and horrific for most, like it will be for trans kids who realize, as adults, what's been taken from them.
When someone calls whoever a progressive they are saying that person is an elitist. When someone calls themself a progressive they're saying I'm an elitist.
Of the 5 animal urges, the will to power seems to be the most insidious. It's part of our makeup, and must be recognized as such, but it must be always kept in check. This theme runs deep in human history and surfaces from time to time together with the voices of brave people who push back against it.
For species that live in groups (wolves, cattle, etc.) the "will to power" is absolutely essential in order to preserve the health of the species' DNA. Without competition to be at the head of a hierarchy, the species will become dysfunctional and will become extinct. ALL tendencies are unhealthy if taken to an extreme.
As a student in China in 1986~87, I got to know a few former red guards from the Cultural Revolution. They were just a few years older than me, and had been barely-post-pubescent teenagers at the time, when they were ordering their elders to recite passages from Mao's little red book. (When I knew them, they were grad students at my university.) I've been reminded of that more and more in recent years as the "woke/cancel culture" disputes have gotten louder. This is a universal human frailty -- tribal hysteria -- that can be unleashed by any ideology. It's the exact same phenomenon as what drove the Salem Witch Trials, except that episode was inspired by Christian extremism, instead of Maoist extremism.
Great Interview!!! I love the insight in your interviews, Peter! Andrew Doyle explains this madness with clarity. I also want to recommend you check out the youtube short by Tyler Fischer "Every liberal news show." He does a great NPR impression! lol
I always got the impression that Matt Walsh was "cancelling" people in the same way that a parent will use the lingo of their kids to cause maximum cringe. I think you two could have an interesting conversation.
Matt Walsh is a standard tradcon with nothing new to say. There was zero opposition to pandering to feelings and denying reality until weak men wanted to get in on it. Predating on children was a joke when women were doing it to boys, but is suddenly opposed now that sick men calling themselves women want in on it. People like Walsh are half the problem because their highest priority is to hold women sacred above all other considerations, even the safety of children. Of course weak men will want to become women when being a woman means unearned praise and no responsibility.
@Andrew So glad I bought your book! Peter alluded to it last May in a podcast (Objective Standard Inst.) but didn't reveal the author or title, only mentioning that it's "Cynical Theories' times a thousand."
Denialism: Me to an educated, middle-class, middle-aged lady this week - 'I really disapprove of police officers wearing the insignia of the ABC-Mafia on their uniforms'. Her (shocked): 'Oh, no, that doesn't happen. It's illegal!'.
C'mon Peter, why the dig on Matt Walsh? He addressed your challenge. And his 'cancelations' are obviously done tongue in cheek. Why not interview him instead? He's an ally of yours on this very important cultural issue.
Peter and Andrew are very diffwent. Very different. I have watched a lot of Peer's Techniques with students standing on position lines etc and what Peter is mostly doing is facilitating a conversation and a debate and never really coming to much of a conclusion nor taking a stance to combat The New Puritan beliefs. I gues this is because deep down he also worries about being cancelled. Andrew has developed his stand in particular over the last two years, as has Helen Joyce, as has Douglas Murray where they now take a very clear, concise, and well articulated poistion. They know that the hysterics are not debatable - they simply wont debate - so there is not much point facilitating endless debates. We also have Harry Miller and The Bad Law projct and they are literally taking each and every Police Chief in the UK to court over their new Non Hate Crime Hate Crime activities - Harry is not debating them he is simply finding them exposing them and threatening to sue them so he is literally going after the Woke Police in the UK and he is winning as they collapse like a pack of cards everytime he does it. You should go on RUclips and watch an example with Harry Miller and Lawrnece Fox when they help an Army Veteran who has been apporached by the Police for something he re-posted on line. You will then see what I mean
Peter has already been cancelled. I think you're not understanding Peter's street epistemology efforts here. He's not trying to lead anyone he speaks with on the street to reach a different conclusion. He's trying to get them to understand what the basis of their beliefs are. You are not going to change anyone's mind on a 10 minute conversation. You might, however, get them to question. Someone who starts questioning things may start looking for alternative information. Peter has other forums for his advocacy efforts.
20 years ago I was reading Camille Paglia, who predicted all of this with stark accuracy. She also is really good at tracing its roots, and showing its influence on acedemia.
To what degree is the care about group identity about the ability of it to be able to mobilize groups to complete certain goals? Like is it a means that is easier to use than it is to appeal to peoples individual interests?
What if that one group wants to take rights and privileges from another group to complete its certain goals? The goal should be universal rights and privileges. I am not going to be treated unfairly just so some other group can get ahead. That is not a sacrifice I am willing to make.
What an oxymoron calling defenders of Blue Collar and classless Liberal Education "Kings." Do we need more viral infectious language lifted from those in service to hereditary, monetary or corporate "Royalty"? Thank you Prof Boghossian and Doyle for thinking before you speak, teach, publish or perish! Shame on the philosophy department at Portland State University and the docile silent Liberal Self-Identified political machine in the impoverished and under-achieving State of Oregon. If only self-identified Conservatives had this level of self-criticism, self-interrogation and good faith willingness to argue publicly in dialectic fashion in service to the Public Interest rather than another 50 years of quantified wealth concentration and Planet of the Clock Punchers Wage Slaves rising up in the Global E-CON structured GREAT RESIG-NATION (see also under indigenous outcasts from the privileged who also labor as slaves among the Precariat, namely North America's or Turtle Island's First Nations who after activist-poet-educator John Trudell saw our world as one metastasizing Halluci Nation....) ruclips.net/video/L4xwN3yPZA0/видео.html The Halluci Nation - We Are The Halluci Nation Ft. John Trudell & Northern Voice Mitch Ritter\Paradigm Sifters, Code Shifters, PsalmSong Chasers Lay-Low Studios, Ore-Wa (Refuge of Atonement Seekers) Media Discussion List\Looksee
@@ulpana Dear lord. I was using the term in its loosest, most colloquial sense. I appropriated it from Gen Z (as in, “Here, you dropped this, King: 👑.”) Yes, it’s stupid. I just meant that Peter and Andrew rule. (Er, uh, I mean they rock…)
@@slacktoryrecords4193 Thanks slacktoryrecords4193 for defining that use of King. It may or may not be stupid, I'm just admittedly outta touch with Gen Z lingo. Your comment is worth up-voting as I've done for "pedagogical value added"! Plus, I love learning vernacular acrobatics. In each language is embedded a world-view and within each formal language, there is regional and other subversive subsets of slang that illustrates a counter-vailing more streetwise truism. Phew, this is getting Philosophical and I'm starting to think Prof Boghossian may want to reconsider his academic silo or field as Philosophy and better give his creative side a bit more rein like his spelled differently namesake in alternative theater Eric Bogosian! That Bogosian was a counter-culture hero of mine when I got too close to some academic infighting back in my undergrad years at U.C.-Berkeley and bolted for the boards like this: ruclips.net/video/Bj3ak-TZNjs/видео.html "From 1994. This piece is called 'Medicine' and can be found in Bogosian's one man show, Pounding Nails in the Floor with My Forehead." Sweet dreams, Slacktory... Tio Mitchito
Calling out Matt Walsh for his tongue-in-cheek cancellation segments misses the point. He points out societal wrongs or ridiculous on people and says they are now cancelled. It's dry humor, not an actual cancellation.
I have roughly a 9th grade education, a GED, and a few sadly misdirected years at a public university who's focus is churning out teachers and social workers. I have read a bit independently and try to be thoughtful and open minded. However I am totally skeptical of most woke ideology and totally don't buy what they're selling with sex and gender but is this really surprising? I mean, really? The writing was clearly on the university walls when i went 25 years ago. It was depressing. There was no forum to push back even then. Anyway, I got scared and dropped out. None of this is new. It is just as scary as it was then. Especially now at 50 years old. Lol. Strength and love.
I remember back in the day when we heard how girls in other countries were having to have female castration done to them, we were appalled. Now people are being ruined left and right, here on America, and if we dare say a negative word about, we lose everything we have. What a freaking shame!
Good discussion One thing for Peter - Matt Walsh has a segment called “canceled” in which he mocks cancel culture .. I really don’t think he is trying to get you or others actually canceled.
When you silence every critic with phony accusations of racism/transphobia/etc, the only critics left are the people who really don't care about your label, or actually embrace it.
Overstatement as in y\our claim that "every critic (silenced) with phony accusations of racism/transphobia/etc, the only critics left are the people who really don't care about your label, or actually embrace it" isn't what makes Boghossian and Doyle so valuable to the Biggest Enemy of All, Illiberal Education which reproduces and replicates itself in the name of some single unifying theory of why the Power Elite should retain and further consolidate their power. Look at what Boghossian and Doyle actually argue and question in their individual writings and sharing of frustrations over the inroads made by Illiberal Education among Liberals! Consider the function of Illiberal Education compared with the evolutionary role of barely perceptible long historical role of Liberal Education. Yes, you are right, this is not about labels. It is about the value of questioning everything and remaining slippery enough to not fall into the trap of what linguists like Lakoff and Chomsky call "The Rhetoric of Certitude." In solidarity with the very Wage Slaves who made those privileged positions in the few bastions of Liberal Education that exist whether in Public Universities or the paper mills of issuers of Golden Passports at the Private Elite institutions, right now those exploited Wage Slaves are the actual researchers among the Post Grad students that need to work for little to no credit and no tenure track positions as Perpetual Publish\Perish Research and Teaching Assistants to the Tenured and Federally Contracted Policy Researchers who are the only ones in the Grand Student Debt game with any job security and stable family value lives amid the spread of Adjunct Instructors and increasingly Adjunct contract professors. Their research, writing, presenting and promotional work leaves those Post Grad indebted students among the Precariat while their bosses in Tenure Land hoard the credit and the inflationary compensation packages. jacobin.com/2022/05/university-academia-adjunct-faculty-strike-graduate-students-higher-education Health and balance Hazmat suited hugs while Love Radiates Around Mitch Ritter\Paradigm Sifters, Code Shifters, PsalmSong Chasers Lay-Low Studios, Ore-Wa (Refuge of Atonement Seekers) Media Discussion List\Looksee
Language evolves in response to changes in society. This is not evolution. It's creationism. It's changing society by changing the language. It's directly out of Nineteen Eighty-Four. “Don’t you see that the whole aim of Newspeak is to narrow the range of thought? In the end we shall make thoughtcrime literally impossible, because there will be no words in which to express it.” “The purpose of Newspeak was not only to provide a medium of expression for the world-view and mental habits proper to the devotees of Ingsoc, but to make all other modes of thought impossible. It was intended that when Newspeak had been adopted once and for all and Oldspeak forgotten, a heretical thought - that is, a thought diverging from the principles of Ingsoc - should be literally unthinkable, at least so far as thought is dependent on words.” - George Orwell. “Nineteen Eighty-Four” You mocking this concern is telling. It's the ruling class who want to narrow what can be said.
I once asked Japanese friends why Islam, and a number of other evangelical beliefs were less popular in Japan. They said that for the many Japanese who find english a difficult language (and older english and other languages close to impossible) it was hard to understand what the missionaries were talking about.
They were just looking for a simple answer to your question. There is this thing called "translation." The Japanese translate thousands of books every year into their own language. There are fully enough English scholars to translate all the foreign books they need. And the Japanese are VERY interested in what is going on around the world. The true answer to this question is more like "because Japanese culture does not have much room for intellectual ideologies: they are a very practical people, who focus on day-to-day issues. (FYI, I have lived in Japan for 46 years, and am a Japanese-to-English translator.)
Almost nobody in Indonesia speaks Arabic, and yet Islam is pervasive there, to the extent that it's the country with the largest Muslim population. The saddest thing of all in that country is that almost nobody there has ever read the Islamic scripture in their own language, and have no idea what it is actually saying or telling them to do. They're just regurgitating it phonetically and obeying their mullahs who tell them the bits they want them to know. We see this happening with the Woke religion too. Most of the believers don't actually understand it. Many of them will screech "that's not what it's about!" when the scripture ("scholarship") literally says exactly what the critics say. Which is similar again to Christians who have never read the bible and don't know what's in it. According to a Christian advocacy group called Lifeway, less than half of all Christians in the US have read more than half of the bible. So, not understanding doctrine isn't necessarily a barrier to its adoption or imposition.
@@TagSpamCop very true but i can only report what my friends have said. Then again there is a strange temple in japan dedicated to jesus visiting japan. And i was once prostelatised by beleivers in god the mother
Japanese intellectuals were facinated by the scientific knowledge of the West they learnt from the Dutch traders during the Edo period. They dedicated themselves to learning Dutch to allow them to translate books. This endeavour was called Rangaku ("Dutch Learning").
Great topic. Reminds me somewhat of seeing the content of Harvard Business Review and topics such as human resource management making it's way from the business world into government, church, charity etc in the 1990s/2000s. There was a former speechwriter of the Australian Prime Minister Paul Keating called Don Watson. He wrote a book "The Decay of Public Language" and commented on language with corporatism and its tentacles into our culture. This seems like a natural evolution where what we term woke culture and language permeates everything. Then suddenly as Andrew Doyle points out you have the UK Ministry of Defence talking about LGBT instead of focussing on the main game of thwarting the real enemy, i.e. Vladimir Putin.
A slur against Matt Walsh is unworthy of you, Prof. Boghossian! Walsh's "Cancellations" section of his RUclips show is just an ironic joke against the wokeists: he isn't cancelling anyone. It's damn funny, too.
I was cancelled by a woke group in a town next to Salem, MA at an historically preserved 17th century house where an occupant lived who was hung during the Salem Witch Trials. I'm absolutely serious... not making it up. I was a participant in a Revultionary War Reenactment on the grounds. Good work gents...oh and I was a Loyalist Dr. Doyle. Cheers!
“Anyone who buys this book should be arrested.” - Titania McGrath, 2022-09-08
Some will have forgotten who Titania McGrath is, and think you're serious. Lol. (Brilliant cooment on your part, btw. Very shiny in the truest sense of those words.)
I have been doing social justic work for my whole life and professionally for almost two decades now...what we see today is not the work I got into. And I will never stop fighting to bring us back to reality and sanity.
There’s a perfectly valid and logical distinction between criminal justice and social justice.
@Danny Timms you are accusing someone and casting aspersions based upon a person that wrote in about 3 sentences. And he sounded repentant. What kind of person are you?
@Danny Timms agreed.
Good luck with that...unfortunately cult members are not that amenable to persuasion based on logic.
There used to be people without legal rights that need represented. We are living in an era where legally rights have been won there's nowhere to go but to crazy town.
Ten dollars says Andrew Doyle will not be invited on NPR for an interview.
And I'll give you 10 to 1 odds with that
NPR's worst nightmare: poor background, Oxford educated on scholarship, Labour-voting lefty, gay. He voted for Brexit but that has no meaning in the US. They'd have to edit out everything but prepositions.
@@Nailbunny2702 I didn’t know he voted brexit
@@cosettapessa6417 It is the complexity in that Nailbunny profile of satirist Andrew Doyle that nixes him from our context-less and complexity-less Private Affairs News Reporting industry that also nixes him from our Pay2Play Public Broadasting Corporate Underwritten System.
That and the fact he (Andrew Doyle) isn't given to peer review in his chosen profession of info'tainment, where playing to the Shakespearean ground level standing room nearest the stage paid audience means he gets mostly self-selected folks who aggrieve errrrrr agree with his views. Reaction is as reaction does. Not to be mistaken for the process inherent in authentic polemics that is more often found in silo'd specialized PhD publications.
I've no background or previous familiarity with Andrew Doyle and I read widely, especially the indie and usually justifiably aggrieved entertainers, some of whom like Boghossian are worthy polemical educators (even Merry Pranksters of Publish\Perish specialized and silo'd periodicals and policy papers. Let us go back now and search online for the Policy Failures of Always Failing Upwards circa 1980's Public Interest policy wunderkinds like the highly paid and conflicted interests Financial Advisor to both of our Duopoly Presidential administrations, Larry Summers. Search words: FAILING UPWARDS LAWRENCE SUMMERS or SUMMERS KEEPS GETTING PROMOTED AFTER EACH POLICY PRESCRIPTION WRECKS NATIONAL ECONOMY AND CONCENTRATES WEALTH EVEN MORE
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@@ulpana writings in the wall
This was probably my favorite book of 2022. It was such a brilliant, concise distillation of the cultural milieu. The Salem witch trials were a perfect analogy, I went back through the Crucible because of this book. Thanks Professor B.
Book arrived this week. Delighted to have obtained.
Andrew is correct, the powerful people listen to the ones yelling “witch/TERF”.
It takes a critical mass of people to say “no”. Standing up is the hardest act for a human, going along to get along is easier.
Andrew Doyle tried to frame trans people as predators. Do you think that's okay?
@@wandajean5186 Yeah, they are. I say this as a trans-desister. Trans people absolutely use cult tactics to indoctrinate young people. "Predator" is an apt descriptor for the ideologically-motivated trans activists.
Two of my favourite thinkers and speakers.
Great discussion guys, much appreciated. I'm in the San Francisco Bay area and can report that this woke ideology has wormed its way into the local governments, schools and the big tech companies. There's a palpable fear in the business community to go alone with this madness to avoid organized campaigns attacking their brands. The more good content like yours that people connect with, the more progress can be made in rolling back this lunacy.
Say hello to the sealions!
“Do I look like a person who does JuJitsu” You don’t need Jujitsu Andrew, you are already deadly, armed with a razor sharp wit a devastating intellect and a disarming personality. Keep up your great work 👍
Two of my favorites. Great stuff!
This was amazing, Peter. I'm getting the book and recommending this video to those whom I know have been drastically effected by the WOKE movement. My hope is that some of them have Andrew Doyle on for an interview, too, to help get his words and book out to more of the world. My grateful thanks to both of you.
As a mother to an eight year old, I'm more than grateful to Andrew and his ilk for the pushback.
I am the mother of a 14 year old, and I completely agree.
Love the way that Peter keeps throwing the phrase ‘on an Island’ into his rhetoric (from an inhabitant of said Island).
I noticed that too. Lol. From another inhabitant who lives in the frozen north of said island.
@@tozmom615 North East England in my case.
From across the pond, love the way you all play along with it :)
I've always loved your island, so much history!
When you hear "Tavistock has sterilized a generation of gay kids" out loud... it's chilling.
Gender affirming care is like telling Karen Carpenter to stay on her diet.
Unfortunately, "internalized homophobia" sound very similar to "internalized transphobia". The difference is that the former is actually driving much of the movement in the trans space.
The thing I've learned about dealing with bullies is that you shut them down fast and shut them down hard.
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You make them feel small. I also fat and ginger at school (still ginger) and I had a bully say to me "You're a ginger fatty". I replied, "Thank-you so much Jenna, you're a genius. I had no idea that I was fat or ginger without your wisdom". Everyone who heard it laughed at her, that was the last time she bothered me.
@@Madonnalitta1 Ha ha! Well done.
Two of my favourite people I discovered on RUclips speaking with each other.
Time to get comfortable and enjoy it.
Thanks again, Peter, you have so much wonderful content you're producing. I've been getting family and friends to watch it and then we discuss. The recent NPR series was a great conversation starter.
Plus of course Andrew is a treasure, not just for discussing these serious matters but also because of his sometimes scorching humour.
It ought not surprise you to know the videos about the hoax papers with your collaborators and the occasions I've seen Andrew interviewed about Titania are some of my favourite and reliable unbridled mirth producers.
Much love to you both! Heroes in my book!
I can confirm that in other languages or at least in mine (Slovak) wokeism spreads in English. Because in Slovak many things do not make sense and sound very silly. Now, things are 'queer', we see 'shaming', 'gender' is a concept that barely makes sense outside of linguistics, either. Amazing video, Peter. I like your work. Thank you.
True. Gender only makes sense as masculine, feminine neuter and so on
"Gender" used to be exclusvely a grammatical term. It was co-opted by this insanity because the notion of grammitcal gender suggests that physical sex also is arbitrary. So it was handy.
Too be fair, none of these ideas make sense in English either. It's just that leftist automatons can be programmed to believe anything.
@@jamesstrawn6087 so true
They don't make sense in English either.
Love the logical simplicity non bias just straight truth hunting content you put out Peter. So glad we haven't completely lost our sanity yet. Much love and power to you sir.
Thank you so much for this excellent interview. The two of you give me hope and provide me with the assurance I need to know I'm not alone. That's pretty hard to come by in San Francisco, where people who think this way practically have to hide in dark stairwells to discuss it!
You’re not alone. Same in the East Bay.
I live in San Francisco and I used to work at a university. I had many hushed conversations on campus.
You are mistaken! Many Californians are abandoning the path to hell (the "good," intentions of the social justice warts) in favor of trying to acquire some tried and true "conservative," values.
@@cmonman3639 As I watched the video yesterday, I kept imagining what a conversation with a friend would sound like: (Question, in a whisper) "Did you order Andrew Doyle's book?" (Response, in a whisper) "Yes, but I used a fake name and I'm having it delivered to PO Box...you know, just in case...."
@@cmonman3639that’s the main question I gave - how many people truly believe the woke ideology? It’s very hard to tell as very few are rush to speak openly about it
His clarity of thought and communication on woke ideology is second to none. He's the most valuable person in this space right now.
Agreed. I was amazed at how well he sums it all up and communicates it in a detailed and articulate, but logical and understandable way. His other interview with Peter is even better. Its a lot longer but if you've got the time it's a real eye opener.
This video should be mandatory viewing for absolutely everyone.
Great book - great treatment of the new religion and all the witch hunts it engenders. Thanks to both of you wonderful gentlemen for this discussion!
Respected British anthropology professor, Dr. Edward Dutton, has demonstrated that “LEFTISM” is due to genetic mutations caused by poor breeding strategies.
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To put it simply, in recent decades, those persons who exhibit leftist traits such as egalitarianism, feminism, gynocentrism, socialism, multiculturalism, transvestism, homosexuality, perverse morality, and laziness, have been reproducing at rates far exceeding the previous norm, leading to an explosion of insane, narcissistic SOCIOPATHS in (mostly) Western societies.
You're doing great work Andrew..... thank goodness for your passion and energy ♥️
He's a hero of our time.
Knowing that there are people like the two of you out there is what keeps me sane.
Thank you Peter, this was a great interview and gives hope to those of us who feel so discombobulated by the whole critical social justice ideology.
Excellent conversation, gents, and thank you both for your important and necessary work.
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Thanks for another great upload, Peter!
The trans medicalization of children are the equivalent of sexual lobotomies. Actual lobotomies back in the 30s and 40s were helpful to a very small number of people and you could argue they had a role, but were terribly harmful to most who received them. This is a similar scandal.
Lobotomies were not good for anyone. They result in split - brain patients.
I studied it in college, the results were quite cruel. I took a special interest in it as I have epilepsy and the thought that it could have been me was terrifying.
@@Madonnalitta1 There was a very small minority of people who spoke of how it helped them, much like the very few transpeople whose transition has stood the test of time, like Buck Angel.
But it was cruel and horrific for most, like it will be for trans kids who realize, as adults, what's been taken from them.
Also forced electro shock therapy.
Thank you for this. I’m going to get the book, for sure!!
Excellent discussion!
What an engaging and entertaining discussion gents - thank you.
Thank you both for sharing your discussion and making me aware of Andrew's book!
OMG It's Titania McGrath! I need to get that book now!
Andrew Doyle is a magnificent man and this book is fantastic 👏
“Do you do jujitsu?” 🤓 Great interview Peter.
Yeah say that 5 times in a row.
Wonderful as always!!! Keep this stuff coming!
This was so good. Much needed!
'Pathologising the normal, and normalising the pathological.' - Exulansic
Great interview, two titans!
Mr. Doyle is one of the most important people in this crazy world we live in at the moment. His show Free Speech Nation here in the
Great interview, and I just bought a new book.
Terrific!
Just ordered the book. Look forward to reading it.
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When someone calls whoever a progressive they are saying that person is an elitist. When someone calls themself a progressive they're saying I'm an elitist.
The New Puritans...all the self-righteousness as the Old Puritans, all the same morals as Pagan Greece and Rome.
Of the 5 animal urges, the will to power seems to be the most insidious. It's part of our makeup, and must be recognized as such, but it must be always kept in check. This theme runs deep in human history and surfaces from time to time together with the voices of brave people who push back against it.
For species that live in groups (wolves, cattle, etc.) the "will to power" is absolutely essential in order to preserve the health of the species' DNA. Without competition to be at the head of a hierarchy, the species will become dysfunctional and will become extinct. ALL tendencies are unhealthy if taken to an extreme.
@@DieFlabbergast Agreed.
This is being discussed by the JBP study group on the Book of Exodus (worth the Daily Wire+ sub on its own)
Fantastic -- will buy book
Great interview. Felt like 10 minutes.
As a student in China in 1986~87, I got to know a few former red guards from the Cultural Revolution. They were just a few years older than me, and had been barely-post-pubescent teenagers at the time, when they were ordering their elders to recite passages from Mao's little red book. (When I knew them, they were grad students at my university.) I've been reminded of that more and more in recent years as the "woke/cancel culture" disputes have gotten louder.
This is a universal human frailty -- tribal hysteria -- that can be unleashed by any ideology. It's the exact same phenomenon as what drove the Salem Witch Trials, except that episode was inspired by Christian extremism, instead of Maoist extremism.
Two of my favourite people
I didn’t know the sweet baby gang cancelled Peter lol. Peter, I’m not sure what Matt said but he does a daily cancellation as a parody
I am the victim here!
Hell ya, two of my favorite fellas. Thank You Both Huge
An interesting conversation from two very intelligent men. It is a good book by the way.
Thanks Andrew.
Please update your podcast on the apps! I’m sure there’s a ton of us who would love to listen to it! Thanks!
Great one! I pre-ordered the book.
It's wonderful!
I will have to read this one...
The book is on its way to me as of NOW!
Understanding the meaning of words is the first step.
Great Interview!!! I love the insight in your interviews, Peter! Andrew Doyle explains this madness with clarity. I also want to recommend you check out the youtube short by Tyler Fischer "Every liberal news show." He does a great NPR impression! lol
Love these two 💪💪💪
I always got the impression that Matt Walsh was "cancelling" people in the same way that a parent will use the lingo of their kids to cause maximum cringe. I think you two could have an interesting conversation.
Matt Walsh is a standard tradcon with nothing new to say. There was zero opposition to pandering to feelings and denying reality until weak men wanted to get in on it. Predating on children was a joke when women were doing it to boys, but is suddenly opposed now that sick men calling themselves women want in on it. People like Walsh are half the problem because their highest priority is to hold women sacred above all other considerations, even the safety of children. Of course weak men will want to become women when being a woman means unearned praise and no responsibility.
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Why don’t more canceled persons say, “ Retract that ridiculous accusation immediately or I will sue you for defamation”?
Money
Defamation cases are long and costly and have a high bar for evidence. Most can't afford it.
I feel I should mention that Matt Walsh is cancelling people satirically
Language is powerful. Abuse of language is deadly.
Word > sword
Peter is the person smart people go to for good ideas and better ways to see the world.
You've been in Austria!? Please come back and be my guest, come for a coffee or give a public talk! ❤️
I'll be there again in March (or thereabouts)
@Andrew So glad I bought your book! Peter alluded to it last May in a podcast (Objective Standard Inst.) but didn't reveal the author or title, only mentioning that it's "Cynical Theories' times a thousand."
Denialism: Me to an educated, middle-class, middle-aged lady this week - 'I really disapprove of police officers wearing the insignia of the ABC-Mafia on their uniforms'.
Her (shocked): 'Oh, no, that doesn't happen. It's illegal!'.
C'mon Peter, why the dig on Matt Walsh? He addressed your challenge. And his 'cancelations' are obviously done tongue in cheek. Why not interview him instead? He's an ally of yours on this very important cultural issue.
Peter and Andrew are very diffwent. Very different. I have watched a lot of Peer's Techniques with students standing on position lines etc and what Peter is mostly doing is facilitating a conversation and a debate and never really coming to much of a conclusion nor taking a stance to combat The New Puritan beliefs. I gues this is because deep down he also worries about being cancelled. Andrew has developed his stand in particular over the last two years, as has Helen Joyce, as has Douglas Murray where they now take a very clear, concise, and well articulated poistion. They know that the hysterics are not debatable - they simply wont debate - so there is not much point facilitating endless debates. We also have Harry Miller and The Bad Law projct and they are literally taking each and every Police Chief in the UK to court over their new Non Hate Crime Hate Crime activities - Harry is not debating them he is simply finding them exposing them and threatening to sue them so he is literally going after the Woke Police in the UK and he is winning as they collapse like a pack of cards everytime he does it. You should go on RUclips and watch an example with Harry Miller and Lawrnece Fox when they help an Army Veteran who has been apporached by the Police for something he re-posted on line. You will then see what I mean
Peter has already been cancelled. I think you're not understanding Peter's street epistemology efforts here. He's not trying to lead anyone he speaks with on the street to reach a different conclusion. He's trying to get them to understand what the basis of their beliefs are. You are not going to change anyone's mind on a 10 minute conversation. You might, however, get them to question. Someone who starts questioning things may start looking for alternative information. Peter has other forums for his advocacy efforts.
Just ordered the book. It better be good. 😀
20 years ago I was reading Camille Paglia, who predicted all of this with stark accuracy. She also is really good at tracing its roots, and showing its influence on acedemia.
Thanks for your work
To what degree is the care about group identity about the ability of it to be able to mobilize groups to complete certain goals? Like is it a means that is easier to use than it is to appeal to peoples individual interests?
What if that one group wants to take rights and privileges from another group to complete its certain goals? The goal should be universal rights and privileges. I am not going to be treated unfairly just so some other group can get ahead. That is not a sacrifice I am willing to make.
Great courageous people!
Doyle is so funny and intelligent. I hope you guys talk again.
Kings, both of you.
What an oxymoron calling defenders of Blue Collar and classless Liberal Education "Kings." Do we need more viral infectious language lifted from those in service to hereditary, monetary or corporate "Royalty"? Thank you Prof Boghossian and Doyle for thinking before you speak, teach, publish or perish! Shame on the philosophy department at Portland State University and the docile silent Liberal Self-Identified political machine in the impoverished and under-achieving State of Oregon. If only self-identified Conservatives had this level of self-criticism, self-interrogation and good faith willingness to argue publicly in dialectic fashion in service to the Public Interest rather than another 50 years of quantified wealth concentration and Planet of the Clock Punchers Wage Slaves rising up in the Global E-CON structured GREAT RESIG-NATION (see also under indigenous outcasts from the privileged who also labor as slaves among the Precariat, namely North America's or Turtle Island's First Nations who after activist-poet-educator John Trudell saw our world as one metastasizing Halluci Nation....)
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@@ulpana Dear lord. I was using the term in its loosest, most colloquial sense. I appropriated it from Gen Z (as in, “Here, you dropped this, King: 👑.”) Yes, it’s stupid. I just meant that Peter and Andrew rule. (Er, uh, I mean they rock…)
@@slacktoryrecords4193 Thanks slacktoryrecords4193 for defining that use of King. It may or may not be stupid, I'm just admittedly outta touch with Gen Z lingo. Your comment is worth up-voting as I've done for "pedagogical value added"! Plus, I love learning vernacular acrobatics. In each language is embedded a world-view and within each formal language, there is regional and other subversive subsets of slang that illustrates a counter-vailing more streetwise truism. Phew, this is getting Philosophical and I'm starting to think Prof Boghossian may want to reconsider his academic silo or field as Philosophy and better give his creative side a bit more rein like his spelled differently namesake in alternative theater Eric Bogosian! That Bogosian was a counter-culture hero of mine when I got too close to some academic infighting back in my undergrad years at U.C.-Berkeley and bolted for the boards like this:
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"From 1994. This piece is called 'Medicine' and can be found in Bogosian's one man show, Pounding Nails in the Floor with My Forehead."
Sweet dreams, Slacktory...
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Calling out Matt Walsh for his tongue-in-cheek cancellation segments misses the point. He points out societal wrongs or ridiculous on people and says they are now cancelled. It's dry humor, not an actual cancellation.
5:- “separate children by skin color”,(but it’s ok for boys and girls to share the same bathrooms and changing rooms ?)
Penny 'Dreadful' Mordaunt - 'Trans men are men, Trans women are women' - this at the Despatch Box! - was in the running to be British Prime Minister!
Activists with anime profile pictures lol That one was good.
Like someone once said; the Canadians got the French, the Australians got the convicts, we got the Puritans and we're stuck with them!
I have roughly a 9th grade education, a GED, and a few sadly misdirected years at a public university who's focus is churning out teachers and social workers. I have read a bit independently and try to be thoughtful and open minded. However I am totally skeptical of most woke ideology and totally don't buy what they're selling with sex and gender but is this really surprising? I mean, really? The writing was clearly on the university walls when i went 25 years ago. It was depressing. There was no forum to push back even then. Anyway, I got scared and dropped out. None of this is new. It is just as scary as it was then. Especially now at 50 years old. Lol. Strength and love.
I remember back in the day when we heard how girls in other countries were having to have female castration done to them, we were appalled. Now people are being ruined left and right, here on America, and if we dare say a negative word about, we lose everything we have. What a freaking shame!
Amazon says his book is not yet available...
You link his twitter, but does he have a RUclips channel?
"To fit with the change of events, words, too, had to change their usual meanings." (Thucydides 3.82)
This is a war.
Please read the very different paper by Miles Mathis, on the Salem Witch Trials. I loved it.
Peter, stop rocking back and forth! Lordy.
Too late. This is a recording. 🤷
Good discussion
One thing for Peter - Matt Walsh has a segment called “canceled” in which he mocks cancel culture .. I really don’t think he is trying to get you or others actually canceled.
Bravo.
When you silence every critic with phony accusations of racism/transphobia/etc, the only critics left are the people who really don't care about your label, or actually embrace it.
Overstatement as in y\our claim that "every critic (silenced) with phony accusations of racism/transphobia/etc, the only critics left are the people who really don't care about your label, or actually embrace it" isn't what makes Boghossian and Doyle so valuable to the Biggest Enemy of All, Illiberal Education which reproduces and replicates itself in the name of some single unifying theory of why the Power Elite should retain and further consolidate their power.
Look at what Boghossian and Doyle actually argue and question in their individual writings and sharing of frustrations over the inroads made by Illiberal Education among Liberals! Consider the function of Illiberal Education compared with the evolutionary role of barely perceptible long historical role of Liberal Education. Yes, you are right, this is not about labels. It is about the value of questioning everything and remaining slippery enough to not fall into the trap of what linguists like Lakoff and Chomsky call "The Rhetoric of Certitude."
In solidarity with the very Wage Slaves who made those privileged positions in the few bastions of Liberal Education that exist whether in Public Universities or the paper mills of issuers of Golden Passports at the Private Elite institutions, right now those exploited Wage Slaves are the actual researchers among the Post Grad students that need to work for little to no credit and no tenure track positions as Perpetual Publish\Perish Research and Teaching Assistants to the Tenured and Federally Contracted Policy Researchers who are the only ones in the Grand Student Debt game with any job security and stable family value lives amid the spread of Adjunct Instructors and increasingly Adjunct contract professors. Their research, writing, presenting and promotional work leaves those Post Grad indebted students among the Precariat while their bosses in Tenure Land hoard the credit and the inflationary compensation packages.
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Ah yes, the Robespierre moment.
Very scary to hear the dictionary definitions are being changed...... soooo scary!
Just as Orwell predicted..............All the more reason to get yourself an actual, printed good quality dictionary now; we're gonna need it!
Language evolves in response to changes in society.
This is not evolution. It's creationism. It's changing society by changing the language. It's directly out of Nineteen Eighty-Four.
“Don’t you see that the whole aim of Newspeak is to narrow the range of thought? In the end we shall make thoughtcrime literally impossible, because there will be no words in which to express it.”
“The purpose of Newspeak was not only to provide a medium of expression for the world-view and mental habits proper to the devotees of Ingsoc, but to make all other modes of thought impossible. It was intended that when Newspeak had been adopted once and for all and Oldspeak forgotten, a heretical thought - that is, a thought diverging from the principles of Ingsoc - should be literally unthinkable, at least so far as thought is dependent on words.”
- George Orwell. “Nineteen Eighty-Four”
You mocking this concern is telling. It's the ruling class who want to narrow what can be said.
I once asked Japanese friends why Islam, and a number of other evangelical beliefs were less popular in Japan. They said that for the many Japanese who find english a difficult language (and older english and other languages close to impossible) it was hard to understand what the missionaries were talking about.
They are also ethnocentric racists. Nazi Socialism achieved its goal of social utopia in Japan.
They were just looking for a simple answer to your question. There is this thing called "translation." The Japanese translate thousands of books every year into their own language. There are fully enough English scholars to translate all the foreign books they need. And the Japanese are VERY interested in what is going on around the world. The true answer to this question is more like "because Japanese culture does not have much room for intellectual ideologies: they are a very practical people, who focus on day-to-day issues. (FYI, I have lived in Japan for 46 years, and am a Japanese-to-English translator.)
Almost nobody in Indonesia speaks Arabic, and yet Islam is pervasive there, to the extent that it's the country with the largest Muslim population.
The saddest thing of all in that country is that almost nobody there has ever read the Islamic scripture in their own language, and have no idea what it is actually saying or telling them to do. They're just regurgitating it phonetically and obeying their mullahs who tell them the bits they want them to know.
We see this happening with the Woke religion too. Most of the believers don't actually understand it.
Many of them will screech "that's not what it's about!" when the scripture ("scholarship") literally says exactly what the critics say. Which is similar again to Christians who have never read the bible and don't know what's in it.
According to a Christian advocacy group called Lifeway, less than half of all Christians in the US have read more than half of the bible.
So, not understanding doctrine isn't necessarily a barrier to its adoption or imposition.
@@TagSpamCop very true but i can only report what my friends have said. Then again there is a strange temple in japan dedicated to jesus visiting japan. And i was once prostelatised by beleivers in god the mother
Japanese intellectuals were facinated by the scientific knowledge of the West they learnt from the Dutch traders during the Edo period. They dedicated themselves to learning Dutch to allow them to translate books. This endeavour was called Rangaku ("Dutch Learning").
Great topic. Reminds me somewhat of seeing the content of Harvard Business Review and topics such as human resource management making it's way from the business world into government, church, charity etc in the 1990s/2000s.
There was a former speechwriter of the Australian Prime Minister Paul Keating called Don Watson. He wrote a book "The Decay of Public Language" and commented on language with corporatism and its tentacles into our culture. This seems like a natural evolution where what we term woke culture and language permeates everything. Then suddenly as Andrew Doyle points out you have the UK Ministry of Defence talking about LGBT instead of focussing on the main game of thwarting the real enemy, i.e. Vladimir Putin.
A slur against Matt Walsh is unworthy of you, Prof. Boghossian! Walsh's "Cancellations" section of his RUclips show is just an ironic joke against the wokeists: he isn't cancelling anyone. It's damn funny, too.
Why isn't this book available for purchase before Christmas? 😭
I was cancelled by a woke group in a town next to Salem, MA at an historically preserved 17th century house where an occupant lived who was hung during the Salem Witch Trials. I'm absolutely serious... not making it up. I was a participant in a Revultionary War Reenactment on the grounds. Good work gents...oh and I was a Loyalist Dr. Doyle. Cheers!
I bet they were Montserrat students, right?
That would be hard to believe at any other time, but perfectly believable nowadays sadly.