Donald Trump's threat to dismantle NATO, explained
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- Опубликовано: 28 июл 2016
- NATO has helped keep the peace in the Northern Hemisphere for more than half a century. Donald Trump is threatening to dismantle it. Read more from Vox's Zack Beauchamp: www.vox.com/2016/7/21/12247074...
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*US wants to leave NATO* Europe: “Hold on, this whole operation was your idea!”
And by joining NATO every country made a pledge to spend 2% of GDP on defence. In the Netherlands where I live it's a mere 1,35% right now...
Kinda like the LoN
@@harmjan3070 Lol,lets remember the last time when Germany started to invest huge amount of money in the arm,it didnt go so well for us,and if Germany and France ar starting to invest so much in their armies,EU wouldn`t depend on USA`s protection anymore,so USA will remain mostly alone
USA started it so it could just end it lol
@@letsdoodlesomethinghome3404 No, The US can’t just desolve it, it can leave, letting France, Germany and the UK taking over as leaders.
Also Russia wouldn’t dare to make a move. Leaving NATO doesn’t mean that the US will just sit on the side if Russia Attacks.
US: Pay 2% of GDP
Iceland: ....how about 0%?
US don't requaire to pay US 2% of GDP, US require to spend 2% of GDP on military
NATO members do not pay into a budget, they spend 2% of their GDP on their own militaries, that is the agreement. Iceland has no military.
@@balinttoth9287 yes thats clearly what I meant. Pay 2% of your money to the military
Why would they give it to the US? That wouldnt make any sense
No one is interested in freezing to death in Iceland.
@@Ambigious If Iceland dosen't want to comtribute for NATO, they can always leave the organization.
US: leaves nato
Russia: eastern europe lookin like a snack right now
US would be in danger then, if Russia and Iran team up with North Korea or even China (considering china and russia are best friends).
And EU wouldn't help US either, if NATO disbanded
trump needs to think more, he can fight a country but not an alliance
@che Mokni a threat, just like how they're scared other countries to develop nuclear weapons
69th like
HAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAA!!!
Z China and Russia are best friends?
1:48 Obama sounds like disappointed teacher talking to a class who did bad in a test
True
Flase
Sanajit Das ah yes, flase, I love the word
But most teachers don’t expel students for that
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"THIS IS PROPAGANDA!!!" - Every Trump Supporter Ever
Wow didn't expect to find you here.
Maybe they should just pay the 2% if they care about their national security.
U make minecraft videos and act like ur on crack... No point in arguing with u lmfaoooo
" 'THIS IS PROPAGANDA!!!' - Every Trump Supporter Ever" - Every Hilary Supporter Ever
Dont you think that perhaps the 2% of the GDP of small but productive country will mean to overwhealm that country with military defence? Sometimes the fact that you can spend more it doesnt mean that you have to ;)
Trump couldn't even point out Estonia on a map
+nimble navigator uhhhhh just because he owns a plane doesn't mean he'd know geography... and do you really think he'd be the navigator? no of course he wouldn't but I guess an "ignorant cuckboy" such as yourself probably doesn't use simple logic.
+NIMBLE NAVIGATOR being able to buy a plane doesn't make a person intelligent. It just means they are able to buy a plane
+FrozenEternity making billions from real estate is a sign of intelligence. He's not a lucky billionaire like Mark Cuban.
+NIMBLE NAVIGATOR I'll bet you're a really smart person!!! Lol
***** Well he is a lucky millionaire as he got his start from his father. He is not self made. He got his initial money and business from his father.
NATO has helped keep the peace
*Europe and Africa are typing*
There has been no war in Europe since the establishment of NATO
@@TianoAnnunziata LoL What abaut Serbia getting bombed by NATO in '99 and all of the '90s wars on Balkan
TianoPCGamer yeah FALSE, the Balkan wars, Crimean war, Chechen war. The list goes on.
FBI Is watching None of those countries were in NATO lol
@Vorraboms What about the UK and Estonia they pay and the UK fought alongside America is several wars (thank Tony Blair for that mess)
Hey guys, NATO members have stepped up to the 2% just to inform your comments.
Not all of them
Ummm u have some prove for that? Graphs?
rule should be pay the percentage or get thrown to Russia.
@Vorraboms Firstly nobody pays to NATO. Each country has their own defence spending. Secondly, ever since WW2, the U.S has been the worst country in terms of military campaigns the world has ever seen. So give over.
Can you show us the data please or we should blindly believe you?
Didn't realize Vox was so biased. And I'm not even American.
this comment is biased.
Facts not biased
dude its not bias its just stating facts.
biased? they're just stating facts. haha. just because facts make a certain candidate look bad, doesn't mean it's bias.
+Jesse Compton well said.
there is a reason why Putin loves Trump
Because the American government has been corrupted for a long time and finally there is a chance Trump can finally end the corruption.
+John Schaeffer Because Putin is so anti-corruption...
+John Schaeffer if you think Russia isn't corrupt and Putin cares about American corruption you are wrong
+John Schaeffer you really just made a fool of yourself as the other commenters pointed out. I suggest to seriously start thinking before you speak or write with pressing the send button. Just some constructive criticism.
+John Schaeffer One of the more stupid comments I've seen on RUclips recently.
Honestly he’s right. If there’s an agreement in place why is it so hard to follow?
@@alexwaite8090 but when it's the agreement you have to follow it
Aditya Wahyu The problem is if the U.S. leaves nato that will leave Eastern Europe much more open to Russia.
@@decapitationstation6257 yeah just look at Crimea and South Ossetia, that's why you need to fullfil the agreement so the US will be satisfied
Because it's not about the money, the US could single handedly contribute the share of every NATO member in their stead and it would still be beneficial, because NATO as an organization keeps Russians (and China) at bay, the funding is irrelevant, what matters is the threat that the alliance poses in itself.
If China and Russia see the alliance wavering because of shallow reasons such as funding, it'll only make NATO look fragile and they'll start questioning whether the US would actually intervene to help those countries.
Its easy to say, but its really hard for some smaller countries
Looks like he already knows how useless the NATO is and how dependent these countries are to the US without any commitment
nope try again… more like doing Putin’s bidding, you know that same guy who helped dumpo win.
The United States ($778 billion)
China ($252 billion [estimated])
India ($72.9 billion)
Russia ($61.7 billion)
United Kingdom ($59.2 billion)
The US 🇺🇸 like Americans is armed to the teeth. The USA has cherished the role of military superiority. Trump had no idea what the logic of that aspect of American history means, entails and its strategic responsibility. Moreover he gave an 70 Billion to the military; a quid pro quo with the Generals who supported his candidacy, on top of the over 778 billion he budgeted.
The US over 100 years ago realized the benefit of having the strongest military on the 🌎 globe.
Trump's threat to leave NATO, like TPP and NAFTA was ill advised deconstruction. His bravado was tough talk without understanding how things work. The USA seeded access way to China by leaving TPP and returned upon realizing that it was a boon to China. His NAFTA signaled a win, as he made concessions on climate control which he had not intended...
Looks like you’re wrong pal
This didn't age well.
Literally a week after you posted this comment Russia invaded Ukraine and now the West is more united than ever.
is it just me or is politics in America falling apart
probably
It's just you, everyone is exposed to more nowadays due to our faster mediums of communication
You could have said the same thing 10....20....30....years ago.... heck, American politics fell apart ENTIRELY in the 1860s and resulted in open war.
Don't forget Britain is going back to Thatcherism.
+Eli DEVITT would you rather have corbyn in charge tho
lol people subscribe to this channel just to down vote Trump videos.
Since when? This channel is directed towards intelligent viewers. If you don't want Trump to be president then you're an idiot and gtfo his channel. Go and watch minecraft kid
I subscribed to Vox because they make interesting content.
No, it's 'cause Vox is biased
Personal insults? Check
Calling a majority of Americans idiots because they don't support your candidate? Check
Denying the fact that this video had over 20 downvotes a minute after it was made? Check
Disregarding any coherency while angrily typing? Check
Sounds like someone's a little triggered there, mate ( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°)
No, people subscribe to this channel to see the other side of the political spectrum, because we don't just live in our little safe spaces. I personally think this was one of their less propagandist videos about Trump.
he aint wrong. you cant expect to be saved or even want the treaty to be eligible if you are not willing to contribute to the minimum standard. This is just taking advantage of leniency.
But does that justify leaving countries(especially the allies of the US/countries close to enemies) in jeopardy and possibly causing a refugee crisis and putting thousands, or maybe even millions lives in danger?
@@you_tubeslonelyheartsclubband yes, freedom is not free. You cant live in your house for free and you cant eat for free.
@@you_tubeslonelyheartsclubband No one left them. They have the choice to increase military spending. If Greece, with all it's economic problems can do it, so can Germany, so can France, so can Italy and so can Spain.
Im happy that as an Irishman Ireland is not in nato .
Lol so people in the Baltic states should be worried while you're happy in Ireland? Think you miss the point about looking out for each other mate.
ireland is in nato! but it is not full nato member idiot! cause of the neutrality
OF course you doNt, care because Russia isn't banging at your door lol
Even if Ireland doesn't belong to any alliance; if you can't hold your own against Russia, then start digging your own grave.
I believe the Estonia is named: 'Next' in the Russian language.
😂😂 lmao
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"Next" in Russian is "следующий" (pronounced as "sleduyuschiy").
What about "Mykraine"?
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i do not support trump. But i agree that whatever nation that signed a deal with the US for protection should make their part of the deal too.
Imagine if you had insurance, but you dont pay your insurance. Do you really think the insurance company will cover whatever happens if you dont pay?
The countries that feel that are threatened should not just ask for help. They have to do their part to. You gotta help yourself, before asking for help. It's common sense.
Also, these countries are not poor. They can definitely use the 2% of their GDP on defense. I could understand if they were 3rd world countries. But all the NATO members have good GDP. The only country that is a member of NATO that can't pay their due is Greece. Other than that, the other countries can pay up.
and greece actually spends more than 2% of their gdp on defence. the irony is real.
No that is absolutely stupid thing to do. Take an example of USSR (then) and Russia (now). Even if USA backs off and keeps 5 countries in the NATO, its no longer as powerful as it was before. NATO makes sure you are not fighting alone and backs up those countries when they need it. United we stand divided we fall. Even if USA stands alone, it will still be the most powerful country out there. But USA will lose ground in europe affecting its performance in the middle east. I am totally against USA's practices but rationally thinking it would be the worst move.
+Rohan Tej that's like saying if your friend hires you to be his body guard but doesn't pay you and its a full time job and you're going to NEED money to live so that's how the world works you need to pay your obligation in money and once you pay us we protect you with all we have it's not a 1 way st
but the U.S also uses NATO bases in to fight in the middle east. using your analogy it like saying even if you hire your friend as a bodyguard, he is still doing something in your house for his own agenda.
Og maco Sheesh No that argument is irrelevant. We are talking about countries here not individuals. And NATO isn't about being bodyguards to other countries but it is about maintaining peace among the european countries. Unifying the currency which makes it harder for those countries to justify war instead of diplomatic solution. And again NATO isn't a body guard. NATO is just a bond between countries just like there is a bond between brothers per say. If you hurt me, my big brother (USA) will whoop your ass. And what does the big brother(USA) get? Big brother(USA) gets to use the space of the little brother. The other countries. I am here going on explain individuals here but if that's how you get my point then there it is.
When he says he will "Defend" other nations, I highly doubt he will. It will just be here have some weapons. If the US defends any NATO country it would be the UK, France, Germany or Italy
Oh trust me, he absolutely wouldn’t. The dude literally admired Autocratic leaders like Putin and Kim Jong Un, who murdered minority’s for simply going against there view. Especially he mentioned in one of his speeches of a “America First” Xenophobic redoric
That can just be narrowed down to the UK. I can’t imagine we’d actually go to war for any other European nation than the UK especially not with Russia
@@theretarbconsultant5469 how do you feel now that with Biden, Russia NK relationships are its lowest ever even when biden called Putin a killer? So much for the educated party
@@theretarbconsultant5469 please stop getting you’re information from CNN and Twitter. Like none of that is true. You MUST be self aware enough that you know you’re lying
@@sdprz7893 not even the UK dude
"NATO has helped keep the peace in the Northern Hemisphere for more than half a century"
Trolling has gone to a different level
Exactly. How can the war in Afghanistan or the US war in Iraq be called "successful" or "maintaining peace in the northern hemisphere"? It's ridiculous.
It’s called the ‘cold war’
I bet Libya are enjoying NATO's peace!... oh wait.
That's not a troll. NATO has kept a lot of peace. If NATO didn't exist, there would be a lot less peace than there is right now. Having a proxy war in the middle east is a lot more peaceful than having a nuclear war between the United States and Russia.
MischievousMoo it's not stopping that possibility
If they made a commitment, then they should honour that and pay their fair share. It's reasonable and scales proportionally with the size of each nation's economy.
that is true, but unfortunately that isn't as easy as sliding a credit card, government spending needs planning and organisation, usually governments don't give somebody money to do something, like we consumers do. a government can't just say hey here's 50 mil cash give me some soldiers and upgrade my tanks
TheBloodPainter Actually it's well within their power to increase the allocation of their budget to defense spending. Or increase taxes slightly. Additionally, they can always borrow (like most governments do these days). This underfunding is not something that is a recent phenomenon, but has been occurring as policy for years, if not decades.
Yeah, but it is an 'underfunding' that only matters to domestic speechwriters. From an actual readyness perspective it is a non-issue. It makes a great sound byte because it is really easily referenced by people with no domain knowledge, but it has so little impact that no one who actually has any influence or accountability cares even a little. The meme exists purely for domestic reasons.
neeneko What are you saying exactly and can you substantiate it?
***** I see no evidence they are pro-communism, nor are against free speech. Their criticism of Trump's veiled threat had merit.
we should leave NATO and stop being the world police.
+ The Iguana
That sounds MAD. Like, mutually assured destruction. Besides, it's pointless now. We have countries that are looking for an excuse to use a nuke, not a reason. Once the terrorist leaders get their hands on a nuke, say bye bye to most of our civilized world.
The Iguana Russia won't nuke the USA because it would get nuked back. The Russia fearbaiting needs to end.
Yes let's end a military organization that helps keep world peace and deters other countries from invading and conquering. I mean who cares if the Russians annex the Baltic countries, what the worst thing that can happen? Russia invading and annexing more peaceful countries?
JaffeCakeINC world peace lol and why should we defend anyone.
if this was the Reagan era you would of been called a commie and a traitor
0:12 where did you get this map, looks like an alternate cold war map
Outline of the Post-War New World Map
it is
Most credible vox source 😂
You know, I think this is one thing I agree on. Greece was bankrupt and they were still meeting the agreed upon target, why can't other countries like Spain or Germany, like comon. They're like your friend who agreed to split something with you and then pays you a quarter instead. I'm tired of this country spending $600 billion on military when we have one of, if not the worst education and medical systems in the western world.
I would encourage all of you to do your homework on exactly why NATO is important. This Video barely scratches the surface of the importance of NATO.
They did a real good job with Darfur...
We also did a great job in rebuilding West Europe, holding back Soviet oppression, etc. Also Darfur is a Muslim majority nation (97% to be exact) Wheres the Muslim world on that topic at?
+John Doe btw just so you know, Darfur is not its own nation but a region in Sudan. Not trying to argue or anything, just want to make sure you know.
Del Scrap Yes I know this.
Really helped with the whole genocide thing..
Mission in Afghanistan? What a weird sanitized word to use instead for what it is, which is an occupation.
Whatever it was, it was a miserable failure.
Its not like the word mission contradicts the fact that its an occupation. But the mission is a bit more complicated than just occupying the country.
Afghanistan produces 16,000 Ton of Heroin worth 1 Trillion Dollars, shipped through Kosovo, now you know why America was protecting the Muslims there.
FYI if anyone's wondering his current stance on this, he's walked back on claims that it's 'outdated'. Trump now supports NATO.
Yeah right, and he also has put American interest over his sugar daddy Putin right?.
Jewish Pressure, look who asked him the questions.
I don't think he's walked it back. Everyone can see, Turkey is going rogue. There is no functioning NATO when one of its countries has gone rogue. President Trump just isn't doing anything about NATO, yet.
@@ericclaey2243 this aged well
@@icecold1805 sugar daddy Putin lol he invaded Ukraine twice both under Democrat presidency first Crimean invasion during Obama and now under Biden as any attempt to empower NATO in Ukraine will ofc call Russian counter, TRUMP kept NATO in check thats why Russia-Ukraine were stable during his presidency, NATO is waste of American taxpayers money, it's unnecessary presence justifies Putin's counter
Donald trump : leaves nato russia : laughing like kira..
The argument that Vox is making seems close-minded and bias. Sure, if Trump proposes that the US might not intervene in conflicts against NATO countries that do not meet the 2% treaty, the image of NATO will look weak - I agree with this. However, if all NATO countries were to meet the requirements (which, let's remember, each country agreed upon when they each joined NATO) then wouldn't NATO be stronger than it is today? It seems to me that Trump's plan to persuade increased military spending would only encourage a stronger military alliance; something that is even more necessary today. Now, I by no means say this to convince anyone that this was Trump's intention all along; I believe Trump says the first thing that comes to his head that will garner media attention and bolster his image of stubborn arrogant 'patriot'. However, that is not to say his plans don't have more consequences to think about other than the one that appears on the surface and which mainstream media use to publicise Trump, because it is usually the most shocking and attracts the most viewers. Vox, I understand that it is a lot to ask for a 4 min video and I have always accepted that you guys lean left, perhaps the recent Trumps polls have you screaming over there, but I have always valued your media the most when it shows me a perspective that is nuanced, honest and scrutinised. The pro-Hillary media have all jumped on the bandwagon of: ridicule Trump and don't mention Hillary; it's tried, tested and it works! I only advise you don't jump onto this if you value your core viewership.
NATO probably would not be all that much stronger if other nations met their 2%. 2% is a raw number, a guideline that says nothing about how that money is spent. That money would also have to come out of other spending, which means it could weaken the other nations in other ways, which would also weaken NATO as a whole.
This is why the 2% thing is not being taken seriously by actual military planners. It is a nice simple idea to sell to domestic voters, but its implication in actual NATO strength is pretty meaningless.
you want the commies to win youre a traitor to the US
***** Says the person who has never seen combat. This is propaganda. The US needs to sway public opinion to start a war.
They never agreed to the 2% when they signed. They committed in 2006 to increase their spending to 2% of their GDP by 2024. Also, it was never a rule, more of a guideline/suggestion. Pressuring our allies to increase their commitment is fine but publicly threatening to withhold our support is idiotic and makes the alliance look weak.
Based on what from this video do you get that? Especially,since this is one of the main things preventing wars?
All of this is waaaaaaay too advanced for Trump😕
shuuutttthefuckup
+African Twinkie Cartel knowledge is power no matter where you got it
If you think the people who work at Vox are smarter than Donald J Trump...
Get checked for brain cancer
Or maybe you're a brainwashed media sheep. Trump is %100 correct. You don't have the body guards working for the president working for free just because it's in their best interest the president is alive, the body guards still get paid! We are the "body guard" for so many countries and we don't get paid, we actually pay our own money to protect countries lol. Put Americans first and make these countries pay their fair share!
John Schaeffer your view point is very troubling. One that promotes selfishness and arrogance. I guess Trump has brought the hatefulness from inside you out as it has for so many others.
At 1:40 , you guys mispelt the word Lithuania..
Lithiania
Ah yes
what can you expect from Americans
0:12 man the proportions of this map are awful. why is Finland, Sweden and Norway somehow bigger than the entirety of Europe?
And why is Canada the size of South America?
and the borders...
bruh its the mercator projection
@@fjwhwjhd8646 it's horrible
yeah
thw mercator is supposed to be for navigation but its horrbile in terms of size comparison
So what does is bothers you? Is just a map :/
Its not a big deal :/
The person doing a voice over sounds incredibly hipster liberal
Your profile pic is a cat
Who else would work for Vox?
Alex you sound like an offended conservative douche
he sounds like he doesn't understand the cadence and inflection associated with punctuation and repeatedly switches for periods and question marks
NATO's true purpose primarily is to maintain American hegemony.
sure but it's in the interest for america to keep it in place as even if the other nato countries aren't spending enough i keeps that in place
As a Estonian, I would say no. We got more Brits, Germans and Italians spending their time here training with us and defending our airspace than Americans.
maintaining hegemony by wasting American taxpayers' money in endless conflicts with Russia?!?
oh my god what's up mr. beat
We should absolutely pull out of NATO. Us Americans don’t owe the Europeans anything. They should defend themselves. We’re not here to Babysit them.
Montenegro (where i live), is entering Nato in few days...
Trump never said he wants to get rid of NATO he said he wants them to pay their fair share and make reforms so NATO's agreement also includes ways to handle terror
If smaller countries spent a TINY bit less than 2% on military, that'd be fine. Their contribution is minuscule anyways. But countries like France need to step up their game.
that's the reason Britain voted to leave. They were paying for others and not getting any of the benefit. The tiny countries who are in danger, should pay more simply because they are in danger. They shouldn't have to rely on France.
Jane Doe I don't mind countries like Belarus not paying as much, since they're basically a bulllwark against russia, and even if they were to pay something like 8 percent of their gdp, they're so small that it's basically negligible.
Andre Tsang the whole point is for every country to contribute equally, not have one big one pay for all the rest. This is why US and Britain want out.
@Andre France has nukes
Jane Doe Britain voted to leave the EU, not Nato
Russia already fully lost the Baltics. They would only retake them, if a conflict escalates.
NATO and peace? How did you fit 2 of these words in one sentence? + Russia never attacked Georgia first, Georgia attacked ossetia Russias self claimed rep. So wtf?
@mrbobbilly please learn history before you answer my comment
@mrbobbilly Its a self governing state
Simsov A The US doesn’t try to invade its neighbors. Russia is invading innocent Ukraine
@@Boooooooooo541 ''innocent''?
read about Stephan Bandera
hey vox I love your videos but there is a bias please cover some of Hilary Clintons shenanigans to remove it
They'll never do that obviously....
This is a liberal channel. Not all of news channels have to biased. Look at Fox News and msnbc for example. It's appealing to democrats
Fox has bias should they bash trump and conservatives to remove it?
Vox is obviously a liberal network but still produces excellent coverage and fairly decent perspective, I just wish they make it less obvious that they are sponsored by the Democratic party. FYI Hilary and Bill Clinton are war criminals for what they did to the former Yugoslava
+ya bro no I'm using fox as an example as a biased channel
America's strongest alliance is America.
Exactly, the sooner we realize that, the better life will get for all of us
+ZEF america's arrogance will be there downfall, i pray for america that trump doesnt become your president. he is a insult to the "great" america..
90% of NATO's military capabilities are the US,Europe acts more like a logistical branch for the Americans than anything else.
do people learn anything about history and War even in the American Revolution we had allies
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/American_Revolutionary_War
allies
36,000 French (in America)
63,000 French and Spanish (at Gibraltar)
146 ships of the line (active 1782)
hey dude how did the 03 Iraq War go at the time we went at it alone with a large technological modern military with little to no allies with us. So yeah when it comes to military power you can't always go at it alone you need allies any arrogance like that will cost thousands of soldiers lives.
hey dude how did the 03 Iraq War go at the time we went at it alone with a large technological modern military with little to no allies with us. So yeah when it comes to military power you can't always go at it alone you need allies any arrogance like that will cost thousands of soldiers lives.
Putin's orders but I got news for you my American Forfather's established NATO.
0:59 NATO related to Third Reich?
So is Interpol
I agree with trump. I am sick and tired of the members of NATO not carrying their weight. America has to spend insane amounts of money on our military in order to compensate for our pathetic and lazy allies. They should not be able to benefit from NATO if they do not carry their weight.
we spend insane amount of money anyway. military industrial complexe, just bribing contracts with the government.
The reason the US is so strong is because we spend insane amounts of money on our military force.
+Miles I was not saying we buy blindly into our military. I was saying that it is putting a strain on our economy. That money could be put to better use in our schools and law enforcement and if our allies actually held up their part of the bargain we would not have spend so much.
+Miles You're acting as if the government is just dumping money randomly into the military without an actual purpose. Obviously the US does spend way too much on the military, and a lot of that money could go towards a better use, but making the assumption that it's done "blindly" and has no purpose is ignorant and just plain not correct.
NATO isn't the reason we spend so much money on defense. We will spend that money regardless. If you wanna reduce military spending then take it up with congress.
im dutch and i agree with trump, its not fair usa is hitting the 2% mark and most of the rest not
*G E K O M M U N I S E E R D*
Good thing he threatened this, it convinced Europeans to pay their fair share in time for Russia invasion
@東京都 Germany, who imports most of its gas from Russia...
lol media
go eat your words
Russia Annexxed Crimea? lol, you guys are a joke.
They have it in their constitution to ally with Russia over Ukraine. They are like 80% Russian there.
Crimea speaks Russian.
Geographically speaking, they did. It was a part of the Ukraine.
Why would Crimea have a separate constitution from Ukraine if it was in Ukraine? Oh, wait, because they wrote one up after Russia annexed Crimea.
+Max Bassett Geographically speakimg.
Dumbass, Crimea had a vote to side with Russia.
Y'all are so fuvling dumb, NATO broke an agreement with Russia to not push NATO closer to Russian borders.
The Western nation overthrowing machine (ask Syria, Libya, Egypt, Iraq, Afghanistan, Somalia, Pakistan, West India, Bangladesh, Kazhastan to name a few attempts in 10 years.
To assume Russia attacked Ukraine is assuming we did nothing to make them do it.
Iran, Russia, China, Brazil, Vietnam, Venezuela and other are tired of US aggression.
Saudi oil money, Zionists in Israel and American greed for power are the causes of Ukraine's destruction.
Do you know anything about Ukraine? They are RUSSIAN influenced and side with Russia, not USA 3000 MILES AWAY.
yes. and the Nazis didnt invade Austria and more in the 1930s
Something has to be done to ensure that our NATO "allies" contribute their fair share, and meet their obligations. Obviously, we can't use mafia tactics and force them to pony up the cash otherwise they don't get our "protection". But something really should be done. If we want a more peaceful world, everyone's got to chip in.
Well it's 2019 right now and NATO hasn't been dismantled so....
well it's 2020, we got corona now, and EU is usseles. So we will see.
Trump and Gingrich said that Estonia is basically a suburb of St. Petersburg (Russia), hence no reason to defend it.
While Estonia is one of the 5 countries spending more than required on defense. How should I understand that, Trump fans?
That's WHY they're spending so much on defense.
But what logic do Trump's statements have? If you are a Trump fan.
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You see, those countries they would support, but the others they wouldn't/.
They are asking us to break our back so they can't sign a piece of paper, which they promised they would do. They haven't kept HALF of their promises.
All this did was make Trump seem even better... and that was CLEARLY not your intended goal whoever scripted should be fired.
How?
But cool profile pic btw
How?
because he's going to allow Russia to become even stronger and control more territory?
HAHA that is because HE IS BETTER
2:31 can i have the soundtrack title ????
if i were leader of a nation i bet i would've started ww3 just because china wouldn't give me my 50 tanks
I get people want to vote trump over Hillary due to her trustworthiness, but I'd rather have a president who keeps the status qou and not one who would potentially endanger millions of people not just americans
continue to**
I would say that Hillary could endanger many due to her carelessness with classified information.
Anyone who wants the "status quo" to continue, at this point has to be mentally insane... I'm sorry.
+ma w As if Trump is any better. smh
Max Buskirk yea? He is better in every sense of the term.
The more I learn about the world, the more complex it is. This puts a bit of context as to why a country would want to be involved in a war it seeming has little to do with. Sure there may be wars out of fear, anger, or otherwise, but also there are wars based on treaties like these.
It's difficult to say if this has prevented all conflicts, or made conflicts more discreet (or both, people are so complicated), but it's nice to learn about context of why a country would want to go to war.
Pretty simple, fulfil your commitments. About time someone has been calling Germany out. They vote down strong sanctions on Russia because their economically tied - more than any other EU country.
3:17 really and what about the US! They not aggressive! How many countries did they invade!
Interesting watch. I'm ashamed Australia has not met our obligations.
You mean being in the North Atlantic ? maybe next year don't loose hope
There is just one thing. Russia is not interested in invading countries, unless America trys to expand its force to the east.
This did not age well
I'm doing a project on this and so because of that, this is the first Vox vid I understand.
ww3 will be such a good anime
watching one right now :v
"NATO helped keeping the peace" lmao yeah right
'helped keeping' ggwp
+ThePatriotMuckraker he said indirectly
The Cold War is called the Cold War because the world was not incinerated. Both sides benefited from the avoidance of direct confrontation.
Brilliant rebuttal...
this is the best explained video on the topic anywhere liked and subbed do more videos on topics like these.
This video only explains half the picture, the part where Trump seems bad. Its a shitty video full of bias.
/s
6 years old... and here we are, how surprising ...
at 1:34 it's easy to spend 2% on military if you don't have any money Greece!
not true. Greece although in severe econimic crisis still has a gdp of around 242.2 billion USD and 2% of that is 4.848 billion dollars.
Yes but they do not tax their civilians.. So the government do not get any of that money LOL.
Now make a negative video on hillary or bernie. Oh wait you wont because this is a bias channel
Heh.... Although, they're _ALL_ kind of bad anyway. :P
We have Fox "News", rush and all the right wing talking heads to do that.
But bias doesn't make things untrue. There are plenty of republican channels that cover those issues and neglect Republican issues. Combining everything allows those interested get a wholesome perspective. THAT is what freedom of speech tries to protect.
Just popping in to say hi, im from estonia and when they said that russia is being more aggressive around the borders of the baltic states i was literally like "what?". I have never heard of this.
Well this video hasn't aged well lol.
I'm from Latvia and this is actually a very scary situation
I mean we should still help but other countries should step up and do their part as well
you should do an updated version of this topic. Montenegro joined the alliance in 2017 and France has now reached the 2% mark
Basically he's tired of our country getting ripped off
You're tired of being ripped off? Quite the irony sir
Hosea Davit
Pay us for keeping you safe. Sounds pretty fair.
Why does the title of the video say "America's strongest alliance" instead of "NATO." Not good journalism, Vox.
Better than the stupid IKEA video. Please continue with actual news videos like this Vox!
An agreement is an agreement, just do your part like you expect anyone else to do their part. Some people, I can't even... With agreements do we not need to honor our end anymore? Is that how life operates?
It’s great to see that Mitch got a bit of spine hopefully now he can reconnect with his long lost son Dwight from the office
I think the issue is a bit more of a catch 22 than presented here. The reason its an issue for other NATO members if the US doesn't live up to their defense obligations is because other members don't have or aren't willing to have the defense budget of the US.
If more NATO members were willing to increase their defense budgets, not only would they be less reliant on US intervention (which is often said to be an issue until its convenient) but they would also be more competent themselves.
I do not agree with Trump here. I believe the US should keep its promises, but I do see his stance as valuable. It pressures other member states to step up and fulfill their own repective roles in the treaty.
People wonder why the US is so often looked to when muscle is necessary. Its become a joke, that the US is the "world police". But this is why. Imagine if the US hadn't intervened as much as it did during the Soviet era. We'd be seeing a lot more communist corruption, with such shining examples as North Korea or China.
Its important that we look at this from all sides. But still, we must not abandon our allies, and I don't think the American people would stand for such action.
I'm no expert here, clearly, but those are my thoughts.
An intelligent comment!
This right here. Look to our Allies in the South China Sea, most of them are increasing military spending which takes a load off the US. I'm not sure if Trumps methods are perfect, but he's definitely right in challenging the currently accepted behavior of most NATO countries which is, "let's increase spending on social welfare and decrease military spending, the USA will pick up our slack."
The USA gets the short end of the stick.
The issue is the 2% budget was set when NATO was first created because the power balance between the US and USSR was more even. Now the US the only the super power and the reason most a lot regions are stable is threat of US intervention. We don't actually get defense out being in NATO, but we do get stability. If those other members start to spend 2% of budget it put strain on their economy which hurts us indirectly, and we literately get nothing of it.
LoremHand
If the U.S hadnt been so active during the Soviet era we wouldnt have all these terrorist groups that where xmcreated with U.S help and founding.
Doesn't he have a point?
If countries have agreed to pay 2%, and have then gone against their word, leaving others to take up *their* slack, while still benefitting from it, shouldn't the threat of dissolution be the kick up the arse they need?
An empty threat is no threat at all.
+Dougglas Fischer If its an empty threat then it's working, don't you think? I don't see a single comment saying that this is just a bluff to get NATO countries to contribute more.
Correct me if i'm wrong but, isn't Sweden and Finland in a deffence contract with the Baltic states? or something like that.
Thais video has never be more acurate like this day today.
Next video, please explain *why* NATO countries are not fulfilling their military spending commitments.
As an Estonian as old as my country's post-Soviet independence, I can say that this was big news here. Also, what I've gathered from all of this by now is: Trump has no idea who is and who is not "fulfilling their obligations" in NATO (thus is once again proven unfit for office), that Newt Gingrich can calmly insult a whole independent nation by calling it merely "suburbs of Saint Petersburg" and that oh dear, we are still unsafe, no matter what we do and how much time passes.
I doesn’t matter what side of the political spectrum you’re on it’s an agreement, if you’ve agreed to have one thing in exchange for another thing but can’t uphold your end in any scenario then what do you expect will happen.
Nato should have been disbanded as soon as the soviet union fell. now russia has a napolean complex.
Nope
@@emilianorosales235 yes it should
@@kedskies no
@@kedskies Russian asset
Russia does not have a Napoleon complex. Russia destroyed Napoleon.
trump dosent have a clue
I wanted to join the military for a couple years now but seeing stuff like this just doesn't help, I wanted to help fight for my country, to do what's right. Being deployed and fighting for what? some jack ass who thinks he owns everything. If war starts I don't want any part of it.
If’s he was U.S. Will be in isolation. No alliances . I hope him changes his mind 😊. Thank you.
Estonia and the U.K. are like the only two who are meeting it tell me if I'm wrong ..
has anyone explained to Trumpet that if the member nations do 'pay up' he would not get a cut.
Holy fu*k, 0:41 Soviet Union attacked Czechia ! Nato help indeed.
All of the baltic states are using the Euro as a currency. I don't think the EU would stand idly by while the Euro could be destabilized by something like a russian annexion of one or more of these states. I guess in this case lots of NATO-Nations would still mobilize against Russia, even without inital US-American support.
In my opinion these countries MUST pay their fare 2% share.
here's the thing, if they believe trump will axe them, they'll pay up. they won't risk being cut from nato, forced to put up their fair share. seems 100% reasonable to me.
what if he completely destroys nato. That be bad. Russia attack those countries immediately.
There's too much at stake to just make it a matter of funding.
+TheWindigomonster there's nothing at stake for the us an invasion will never happen on our mainland it would be suicide so to expect those who aren't in danger to protect everyone else and get nothing but discontent for doing so by the people demanding protection is a complete joke NATO dies nothing to help Europe they rely on the us and we're tired of helping ingrates
*"Trump is the first and ONLY ONE to suggest that out commitment in NATO should be contingent on those spending levels [2% of GDP for NATO members."*
Yeah, Trump is the first one to suggest it, except... you know, the people who formulated and signed the treaty in the fist place.
He is right. Germany has largest economy in Europe has not kept agreement
Vox could make a video about the best cup of coffee and use it to bash Trump, way to be an unbiased "news" source.
Drumpf is out of his league. He's is not a billionaire. Never Drumpf 2016.