Buick Lesabre Subframe Bushing repair
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- Опубликовано: 28 сен 2024
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As you'll see in this video I am repairing my wife's Buick LeSabre from 1997. This
also covers quite a few of other GM cars that share the same platform such as the
Pontiac Bonneville the Park Avenue. The Buick Century Monte Carlo all are very similar and the instructions for replacing the subframe bushings will work for your vehicle also. Be prepared to get a little dirty, and have a couple of jacks so, you can follow the process in which I use to install these bushings. SO, hopefully this works for you.. Good luck and thanks for watching.
One knows how to remove a bolt, but, its the "finer details" that I always find the most helpful. thank you.
Dude, awesome video. Everything was right on point. Very simple and easy to follow video. Saved me hundreds of dollars in mechanic labor fees.
Im doing this today on a 2000 bonneville. I had to take the rear subframe out and have it welded, and now its goingback up. what a pain! luckily my captive nuts are still in place.
Good deal!!
Interesting video as I have the opposite problem. I have a 1990 Bonneville where the body above that area rotted away and the subframe dropped with the bushings still intact. That's gonna be fun to get those out... Weld some metal in and either find another nut plate or cut a small whole in the arch and just put a nut on it. We'll see what happens! That 3800 runs too good for me to junk the car as of now even with 351K. Call me crazy but it beats a car payment and has been reliable!
Man this video was very helpful I started hearing some noise and I jack my car up and one of my bushings is really really bad. Hopefully I can get to it within the next couple of weeks. I have a 96 LeSabre and it's clean no rust on the bottom or anywhere but I have seen the same model with the rocker panels completely rusted Buick fucked up on that.
I have a ‘96 LeSabre that I’m getting ready to replace these bushings. I’m nervous about this project because I’ve heard horror stories.
I’m thinking I may have to soon in my 97 lesabre wish me luck lol
3:40 I had to cut an access hole in the toe board of my "90 DeVille; the caged nut had rusted away. The other cage nut a few inches toward the front of the car has a factory access opening. Replacement bushings are same part no. as LeSabre/Park Avenue.
My 89 Regal and 90 Lumina was recalled for this problem. They sent a notice in the mail and the dealer fixed it. That was some time ago. Late 1990's maybe?
It's Ironic that they were recalling a problem they knew about in the late 90's at the same time they were producing cars that would still have the same issue as this Lesabre(1997). I'll have to look into this. I'm curious if they ever did a recall for the later year vehicles. Thanks for the heads up..
Awesome video, super helpful! Thanks man
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are all four bushings in the rear the same?
Hi I was wondering, when you were tightening the bushings up into the cradle. Did you use an impact gun or air tools? Also how flat do these bushings get when completed? I'm having a hard time with mine. They cradle keeps dropping after I let the jack out.
Mine's lot that on my crossmember at the rubber bushings that goes to the driver side and the passenger side is Rusted from out and in a event ATS to the car how do I attach and fix the rust that's under my Oldsmobile Regency 1990
that's why I like trucks !
I like trucks too. But my wife don't
looks exactly like my '99 aurora, all four of the rear, front sub frame washers are gone! No idea how its been managing ALL THESE MONTHS.
It's a horrible design
Hey foxboss9, i saw that your bolts were rusted through which is what dropped the subframe. Im in the process of upgrading my suspension to make my 98 lesaber have a more comfortable ride and not bounce all over the place. Im replacing the sway bars front and rear with bonnie SSEi bars but i cant get the front bar out. Ive been told you have to drop the subframe to do so.... if that is the case, what is the best way to go about it? it shouldnt bend the cradle if i only unbolt one side should it? and where should i lift/support the car while doing this? While im in there i want to do these bushings as well, so the video was very informative. any help will be greatly appriciated!
Thanks
I honestly can't tell you. You may want to grab a mechanic friend to help you out so you can be safe. I can't imagine the subframe bending but I also don't think you can leave in any of the bolts and have it move without damaging something. You will at least have to loosen all of the bolts. Sorry I didn't know more. Good luck!
So the subframe bolts torque is 110 ft lbs?
Yes but you may have to go back a few times and torque it down again
What kinds of symptoms did you get with this?
How did you pick the car up?
Does the kit come as individual bushings or is there a set of them? Currently only the front bushings are still attached on my LeSabre.
The bushings "kit" will come with enough pieces to replace what 1 bolt holds in. So for every subframe bolt you remove, you need to order 1 bushing kit. On the front of the car, there is a total of 6 "kits" needed. 2 up by the bumper and 4 underneath =(2 under drivers footwell and 2 under passengers footwell)
On a quite night you can hear a GM rust ! :D
Did you ever find a way to get the mounts from letting the frame move past the bushings please let me know what you did
The reason the bushings are moving past the frame is because your frame is too wore out. Ours was not war out hardly at all so the bushings compressed up against it like it's supposed to
Do you know what is the color coding on the bushings for? I cant find a lower orange bushing for my olds lss 88. Can i use the yellow lower bushing in the mid section of the frame? Good vid thanks
Moises Salcido I'm sorry,, I don't know if the color has anything to do with the application or if it is something the bushing Mfg does.
@@Foxboss9the color of the bushing refers to differences in them with different part numbers.
I got this info from Dorman tech support.
One more thing I tried to see if I could get the bolt loose and I can't. What would you advise I do or should get?
A breaker bar OR a pipe that will slide over top of a good heavy duty ratchet OR BOTH a breaker bar with a pipe slid over the handle... I would advise against an air impact wrench as it may cause the upper "nuts" (ones I talk about in the frame) to come loose from their mounts more easily and spin with the bolts(not good at all) and remember to pull a wrench don't push..unless you are using your foot..
agreed, 100%. Impact is not your friend in this case.
I noticed that the subframe itself is rusting and cracking. GM knows this, probably why they switched to aluminum in their newervehicles. Should be a safety recall. Rotten bastards.
I agree completely
i have a 96 Oldsmobile that the bushing are gone in the same spot now i know what to do thanks
Definitely want to repair. It is so unsafe. Good luck!
Alguien q se interese en mi buik modelo 93
are these the same bushing for the back? or can u get a product number for them in the back??? GM is bullsh**IMG me with separate numbers for each rubber n screw n the metal plates I have a 99 park ave
Sorry, didn't have to mess with the back ones.. Anybody else?
how did u find the product number for you front maybe I can find mine there
The local GM parts department.. Lucky they gave it to me.. I don't normally have luck like that.. I Found out later that the parts Mgr doesn't allow his people to provide part numbers to anyone..
The local GM parts department.. Lucky they gave it to me.. I don't normally have luck like that.. I Found out later that the parts Mgr doesn't allow his people to provide part numbers to anyone..
I think that's what they do here in Wisconsin gave me a part number to each rubber n the screw
Just did them on my 2001 lesabre and torched them to 130ft lbs.
Are the 4 on the back all the same size?
all 6 bushings(2 in front by bumper and 4 by drivers and passenger footwell) are all the same size
@@Foxboss9 But the front bumper 2 seem different. I recently removed the subframe of my parts lesabre(1997), and it looked like there was an extra metal sleeve, verticle, on top of the subframe. The bushing didnt fall out like the others, after trying to get one out, it seemed like it was enclosed in a metal sleeve and pressed into the subframe. The front bushing on one side has a mostly rusted out vertical sleeve, the other side it is mostly intact, as is the old bushing. On the rusted out side, there is metal ring on the bottom side of the subframe, like a sleeve had been pressed upwards. I cannot find any detailed pictures of the subframe in this area, nor can I find any new subframes to buy. Nor can I find anyone who says that all 6 bushing mounts are the same, until now.
My 96 did this it only has 92k miles its clunking nothing blown apart my cars practically rust free not even much surface rust
2:22 ha, made me laugh. diesel guys around my area are the same way. thanks for posting the video, im picking up a 97 lesabre in a few days that needs this done and it doesn't look too bad.
Make sure you use antisieze compound on all bolts when reinstalling them. Hopefully this will make removing them easier in the future and prevent the nut from turning around in the body mount.
No need to drill holes just compress your wrench with a strong C-clamp around the subframe if possible. Then tighten under pressure. Works everytime.
Have to try that next time. Are you in the Rust Belt? Our stuff gets pretty bad here
I need to fix mine on my 97 Bonneville. I live in Atlantic Canada and you can hear the cars rusting at night
thank you I have to do this to my 2000 Buick LeSabre on Friday all four of the bushings are gone thank God it's still holding on
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I have a 1998 Buick LeSabre Limited and the sub frame on mine is kinda rotting away in the same way, the bolts in that area are holding on but there's a crack running around it that is just barely over half way around,, but on the back of the car there's no rust at all, it's weird, the paint is still visible on the front where it's most rusty, but if it was any other car you'd call that "surface rust"
Thanks I'm going to try this weekend to put what you taught me into action. I'll let you know how it worked out.
Did it work out for you?
Awesome thank you so much!! My mom was trying to describe her latest problem to me over the phone from 700 miles away, and kept referring to cradle bolts. A bit of google and two videos later I come across this and am now able to help her get parts! (also sent her the vid so she can see what is wrong with her car!) Thank you!! Also the link to the $45 parts is awesome. She went to GM and they told her it would be something like $140 each.
2022 thanks you for this.....best so far on how to do it yourself.
the same thing happened to my car. but all 4 bushings let go an my subframe dropped to the ground. and at the same time i lost steering
Like I mentioned in the video I find it hard to believe that GM hasn't been sued for this obvious safety concern..
I need to do mine on a 95 riviera. Where is the best place to put supports so it don't drop on me?
No longer available for my '93 Buick Century.
I have a 99 Lesabre, and i remember my bushings rotting bad to the point that one came out. So i couldnt drive it as efficently as I wanted. One night the frame DROPPED and separated the steering column from the pinion. I was livid. A recall wouldve been nice though. GM...why!?
Dangerous. Good you are ok
Outstanding video and accompanying explanation. All of my bushing, bolt, washer and cup related questions were addressed with your video. Thanks!
Ron Dean Great! glad it helped..
Thank you so much man!!! Liked and subwd😊
WORKING ON A 2002 LESABRE THE WASHER ITSELF RUSTED REPLACING THE WASHER AND IT'S REAL LOOSE AROUND BUSHING LOTS OF VERTICAL PLAY IS THIS NORMAL?
Should not be loose at all..no play at all either take a look at the ones that are still solid and see if the bad one has rusted so much to allow the one you are working on to "pull thru" the mount..
Hahahaha diselgasm shit had me going. They do live their pipes
Frame Insulator bolts to Body (66 ft lbs) GM 3800 1998 Olds 88, Bonneville,
Regence, Le Sabre. References: Page 10-3-3 Body Dimensions, Frame and Underbody
Volume 1-3 Service Manual 1998 Platform H GM GMP /98-H-1 As per GM online data and original shop manuals.
Common problem with these Buicks. My 98 is having it, my dad had a 97 that had it and even a buddy with a 03 is having it. Absolute awesome cars with the main problems being the subframe bushings and intake gaskets to watch for.
79bonscott Yea, it's nice knowing specifically what to look for when shopping for a good used one.. 👍
I hear you about the intake gasket. Just had mine replaced. Apparently they give up in the area around the EGR tube where it gets so hot. When mine had problems, I barely was able to limp back home, then wouldn't start. Had towed to GM dealership next day. Also hearing random bumping noises in front end and some occasional pops...probably subframe bushings.
say the ring the bushings go through is totally rusted out, would it be possible to make say a sleeve to emulate the ring, that could be tack welded as an emergency temp fix? I am guessing as long as the diameter is around 2" it would work, but a sleeve would give alittle extra support for the whole arm versus just a ring.
Pretty common issue on these GM cars. I personally channel the subframe and weld in 1/4" flat plate with two 2" (can't remember exact, but same size as bushing) and weld it in. You should get an alignment after too just to be sure you didn't change the camber and/or caster to much as the lower control arm is mounted to the sub frame.
How do I fix my Oldsmobile Regency after it is Rusted where you are showing even on the main body is rusted out how do you well and fix that
my 97 lesabre took a shit yesterday my subframe rusted off was starring fine till subframe broke off now starring wheel is disconnected from stareing column mechanic saying I may need rac and pinon qs well not to sure about that
Hello my subframe bushings have rusted out of my 86 Celebrity and it looks like the subframe on the passenger side has dropped down quite a bit
Omg thank you so much all 4 gave out on me today rotted away and we where crying we had to junk out tank but thanks to you we can save her!!!!!!❤❤❤❤❤
I had a 97 lesabre that did that ! the bushings pulled straight through the frame ! my car was in great shape ! the only thing was wrong was the subframe bushings rotted out ! the body shop said it would cost $1000.00 to fix it but I was not going to put that much in a 97 !
That seems expensive.. The bushings only run about $300.. Unless they were going to replace the entire subframe assbly
+Foxboss9 yea they said the subframe was also bad too ! what happened was the hole rotted away and let the bushings come up through ! you would thought GM would have a recall on that ! you have a great video though !
I was told I need to replace both the bushings and the subframe? Is this accurate or should I be fine just replacing bushings?
wish I could post pics I think my subframe is my only problem my bushings look good still the subframe was rusted badly just tore subframe out
MAKE A LONGER BOLT!...I got a spec for 66 ft /lbs but thank you!!
the 924-004 bushing seems like the one i need but it says it doesn't fit my car. the bushing that failed is the one in the rear, right under the driver side
This is a safety issue and GM needs to recall these cars. Someone will be in a bad accident when they all break and the subframe comes loose from the body.
put lots of antiseize on the bolts.
You can tack weld the bolt to frame is the inside and it will rehold the bolt as long as you don't wrech to hard when you put the new bushing in.
Once those bushings fail the car becomes a DEATHTRAP!!!
What size are the bolts
Great video awesome camera angles! Very detailed and informative
“You just tighten it up” that’s the hardest part by a mile, the last step.
Very helpful video thx much man. Ello wife 👋
And mine is a 1990 model
Unfortunately this is one of the prices of the luxury ride quality of these. The newer ones with the aluminum subframe that don't have this problem have a much harder ride. These bushings wouldn't rot the frame out if they weren't so soft and didn't have so many air voids that hold water in them. The Japanese and German cars do luxury suspension with sealed hydraulic bushings instead of air void bushings to avoid the rust issues, but those bushings cost a lot more and eventually fail and leak the fluid out of the bushing and then cost a lot to repair too. I don't see this being a recall issue as much as it should be (and it might already be) a technical service bulletin to alert techs to check for this problem. It's easy to spot well before it fails if you look for it.
ALL I SEE IS RUST
Hi I have a 1998 buick lesabre custom just looked at it yesterday and the rear bushings are the ones that rusted out I'm just unclear of which ones are for the rear your link sends me to 924043 part number is that for the rear ones or the front or is it 924004 that I need ??? Thanks
These are for the Front Subframe/Cradle .. amzn.to/1th84ta . 4 of these will take care of the ones that rust out just behind the front tires. I don't know which bushings are needed for the rear of the car
I did the front by cutting thru the fender well to gain access to the rusted nut, and chiseled out the nut , diamond shaped washer, and the retaining bracket-------I made a new washer the shape of the rusted floor, so it can"float and welded a 2'' washer on the sub frame fix took 2 1/2 hours-----but I am a certified alloy welder
Don Matta EXCELLENT WORK !!
This helped a lot but I just don't know how I should start lifting the car correctly because my 97 buick lesabre all four back bushings all rusted out and its leaning 1inch from the ground. Should I lift the car or the subframe first. I'm just scared I start on one side I might bend the subframe?
Jack up subframe. Use 2 jacks. Position jacks so you can reach all 4 of the bolts that have pulled through the subframe. Remove bolts. Lower subframe to remove upper cup and rubber. Install new upper cup and rubber. Raise subframe on both sides but leave one side( the side without new cups and rubber) Slightly lower, to slide in new parts after you get the first side the lower rubber pressed on and bolt started(both inner and outer bushings on one side)... Once both bolts on first side are started slide in new upper cup and rubber on other side and then raise subframe to hold them while you press lower rubber on and start bolts. Then tighten all..
I have a 1992 lesabre and my car did the same thing.
I'm guessing you need air tools I have the same car same problem on both sides are gone then what do you do? Becides replace the whole cradle because I'm doing this project on the ground!! Any assistance would be greatly appreciated
I just wrenched the bolt in air tools actually might get it started but you need to have something that's pretty powerful as far as leverage to be able to feel how tight to get the bolt. You have to replace the Cradle if the bushings are pulling through.
I believe I commented you on your video of how beautifully and wonderfully it was made I have a 92 Chevy Lumina APV minivan I looked at your video maybe a month ago with mine the front one the rubber broke on the front right then the other two went in the rear one thing I noticed about the front the the seat where the bushing sat rotted some The Backs were in pretty good condition what I did for the front it might have been a little heavy but I put a quarter inch Square plate drilled out the center and on the top right corner shaved off of piece of metal so would fit in the subframe what I'm doing to the metal I'm going to clean all the metal off with a good wire wheel down to the greysteel then I'm going to spray a few coats of semi-gloss primer in the paint Rust-Oleum just spray it and let it dry and put a few coats on then I want to take some of Hercules truck bedding chemical spray and go over it again then you should have no more problems rust for a long time especially when it's in good shape you want to keep the car I think it's worth keeping these older cars sometimes because you going to put money in any car that you have whether it's newer or older parts go bad and if you like the car and it's not nickel-and-diming you keep it I'm keeping my 92 until I can't get no more parts for it pretty much everything has been replaced I'd say 75% is treated me well for 222 Thousand Miles and still pass emissions and van inside and out everybody been wanting to buy it it's in great shape
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I had the same problem. I still remember the awful site of the disintegrated remains of the bushings fall out into a small pile of rust and dry rotted rubber on the floor as I removed the bolts. The bolts themselves were also a sight to be seen. They were so worn in the middle, they were hourglass shaped. I'm lucky the car didn't fall apart while I was driving! Unfortunately, I needed to get things back to together and fixed asap, so I was forced to buy my parts at the dealership for a premium (no auto parts stores stocked the Dorman parts near me).
Yep, they rust pretty bad. I was able to get the parts cheaper from Amazon than the local parts store.
hey foxboss i have a 97 bonneville sse that had the same 2 bushings fail like this one. i'm looking to get it replaced but the one that's in your description doesn't have that metal piece with the yellow marking. they have another kit with that piece but it says that it doesn't fit my car. is it possible for me to still use it or will i have to go with the one in your description?
angel r I am sorry, I don't know.. I ran into this with another one of my viewers but, I don't know what he found out.. I think his question is in the comments still(It should be) I didn't delete it or anything.. good luck
What is the engine cradle torque specs?
If you have to cut a pocket to get to the nut. When its time to close it up, go get a can of roofing tar and putty knife some over the hole. It will dry after a couple days and if need be years down the road it can be peeled away if need be and will stay put longer than shooting it with undercoat and cheaper
Good Point....I use to use roof patch to install new floor boards ....I think there were more locations for water to get in then just the hole that I cut..I wouldnt necessarily want to seal up an area in which water continues to seep in from an area that cant be sealed, Unless of course, you seal the entire underside...
Your a great help. I have one more question can I use a front subframe bushing in the rear? I B seem not to find 924-004 subframe bushings
I don't think so.. Here is the link for 924-004 bushings -- amzn.to/1tm9aIA
What size are the bolts holding the bushings in?
My moms got a 97 lesabre too. Dealer told her it needed a engine cradle. Do they break or wear out or just the bushings?
The cradle rust terribly
Really awesome video. I currently have this problem on my 99 lesabre. I couldn't figure out how to put them on. Thank you for sharing this
You're welcome. Good luck!
How much would you say a mechanic would charge for this job? How many hours should it take?
WOW! That could vary.. Depending on how difficult the old ones were to remove. Like I mentioned in the video, if the upper nut in the frame spins instead of the bolt coming right out it could definitely add some more labor time.. I would guess if everything came apart perfectly and you were only replacing the back four bushings(like this video) a non-dealership mechanic could bill anywhere between $100-$250 for labor not including a front end alignment..
Thanks for the vid, I have a 96 and I got the bushing kit from e-bay hoping they're the ones I need. I'm gonna leave this job to a professionals.
ralph1f1 Your quite welcome..
Great Video, thanks 👍
Where can you buy subframe body mounts bushings kit for a 97 Buick
Randall Hoist these are subframe to body mounts.. Links are in the description
Are there some polyurethane bushings available for those cars ?
None that I have found. It was hard enough finding the correct rubber ones
a ciao moped!! I didn't see one for over 30 years! I drove a maxi. loool
+myvideosource66 maxi was definitely more common at least around NE Ohio in the 80's
We are currently working on our 97 LeSabre and we have the same exact problem. I already got the part from O'Rileys and we are probably gonna fix it soon. any advice?
Take your time and use a couple of jacks as explained in the video.. good luck
once your bolts drop down through, make sure you run air or PB Blaster up into the hole with the nut, it clears any debris that may have fallen into the threads on the inside nut.
This seems like common sense, but I had to back out all my bolts and clean threads before going again because the rust had fallen into the nut.
Good luck.
Thank you very much
Would packing the new bushings with grease increase the longevity of the repair?
matt zehentner no.. Quite the opposite.. the bushings, Where Metal contacts metal, do not move against each other. The bushings, once mounted solidly, are meant to provide a rubber buffer that allows Flex and vibration isolation. The only thing grease would do is cause the rubber to deteriorate faster.
Thanks for this info; I'll keep the grease where it belongs!
I have a 1998 Buick park avenue I need 4 sub frame bushing in boats I was told they stop making them. Can I use different bushings?
Most likely not. But, if you try different bushings, the ones in the linked description will probably be the closest to what you have. Good luck.
Thanks alot
Most likely not as in they not making anymore?
I looked for about 5 minutes online and I didn't locate any for a 98 Park Ave. You may want to try some Buick forums and ask Park Avenue owners I'd you can use the bushing kits that I used.
Unfortunately, I'm in the "spinning nut" club. I've got a 1998 Regency that is solid in terms of metal, but the nut is spinning on the bolt inside the bodywork
I have a 93 Bonnie and the same happened to me my subframe came of just months ago when I got to work after riding the highway..thnk god it did happen there. Anyhow I need to replace the bolts would you consider grade 8 bolts to replace the old rusted ones
good thing you didnt wreck... yes.. Grade 8 will work
Foxboss9 Hey bud. How are you. Where did you find the bushings.
Chris Capozzi Check out the links in the description .It will take you right to them.
Thanks alot. appreciate it.
How many kits do you need to replace the bushings? And are the front bushings the same as the rear bushings?
rears are different.... front takes 4 four amzn.to/1th84ta ......these are the ones behind the front tires(like in the video)
Foxboss9 I was told by a few Gm dealers that the front bushings was the same as the rear bushings. And some Gm dealers told me the front bushings and rear bushings are different. So I’m kind of confused. I need to replace the front and rear bushings on my 97 lesabre. I did find the Dorman 924-043 which the link you sent me too. I thought the Dorman 924-043 kit was good for the front and back, guesss not. But I can’t find the rear bushings kit no where. Do you know where can I find the rear bushings kit and how many kits would I need to replace the rear?
Javaunte Ward so sorry, fortunately for my wife her rear bushings were okay. This however is unfortunate for you as I did not have to look for them. I did have a viewer a couple years back say the same thing. He said that he could not definitely fine the rear bushings without talking to GM. Good luck.
Does the same action apply to a 2002 bonneville sle
Very Similar
that's why I got rid of my 97 and got a 99 Blazer 4x4 ! the garage wanted $1000.00 to replace the subframe and I said no way I am putting that much in a 97 !
Excellent video thank you
Buzz Green 👍😁
is this like a 97 caddy sts
no.