couldn't agree more. I love your recent focus on pedestrian areas. It really is crazy how difficult it is to have even a single small area within a large city that prioritizes pedestrians
Whats so strange is that there is clear demand. Even some of the business owners on Washington Ave discussed that they like the open street. But weve normalized making 70% of our public space for the storage and movement of a private asset, the car. So any deviation from that mindset seems weird to some
ok. all jokes aside, the revenue history analysis is not really necessary in my humble opinion. if a move legitimately brings in more businesses, then asking for this move to be reversed in order for the competitors to stay afloat is undoubtedly regressive which has no place in a progressive society. it is just wrong in principle.
Check out some of my other videos. You'd be surprised to learn that there is a lot of contention in NYC right now about various transportation and pedestrian initiatives.
As an intermediate step, why not rotate the open street, having it alternate between the two streets? That way the traffic nuisance is spread more evenly, and the benefits are shared evenly as well. It also gives space for slowly expanding it. On the other hand, with how the pendulum swings, it may be worth it to go for permanent installations as soon as possible, so one conservative snowflake cannot just turn it all back into car space for his compensation SUV. I think the effect is much more indirect as well. The fact that there's a community organising activities brings life into an area, and allows businesses to do their own things based on that.
Vanderbilt Open Streets is 3 days for seven months a year. That is significantly more than any other Open Street in the city. Not all businesses and residents on Vanderbilt benefit from it or want it. Yes, we are organizing as it is excessive. A handful of restaurants benefit greatly but three days for seven months is a burden on the rest of us that does not outweigh the benefit of a few. Walk Vanderbilt and you will see how few people are using it.
Then those 166 persons cause 1 million USD of extra income, or possibly even more (since the rest of the region is doing worse and worse)? Not bad, we should interview them and figure out what causes them to spend 6000 USD per person in a single street. Even if you assume it's different persons every day, based on 8 months of open street, 2 days a week you get to around 100 USD per person per day in an area that looks mostly like bars and stuff, quite alright I'd say. Perhaps what makes them happy can be expanded upon so more people are willing to spend such numbers on their local businesses. Or perhaps you're talking out of your behind. Based on data from a lot of countries that aren't the USA, people spend more in pedestrianised zones than in car-infested zones. It's basic common sense: if you are mostly dependant on car-based visitors, then either you have seriously limited customer base (because of parking issues), or you have so much parking around you that everyone only visits you by car. The latter means you become a specific location to go to, instead of part of a larger fabric. Pedestrianising is a tool, a method of making things different/better/nicer. I think it will, for streets such as this one, always make the experience on the street more pleasant than with a lot of cars on there. A small bar with a couple of tables outside works better on an open street than next to a 6-lane boulevard. Therefore, for the kind of shops that depend more on passer-by's this gives a huge advantage. I could imagine that a shop specialising in washing machines etc. has less benefit from being on such a street (or even a negative one), because people do not walk on a street and think: you know what I'm gonna buy today: a new washing machine. And even if they do, they'll do research themselves and figure out that this new york store with high rents is much more expensive than an online shop. That being said, they could also have chosen for removing on-street parking, and going for lane dieting. Let's say that instead of closing the street entirely, it turns into a one-way lane + a bus lane/emergency vehicle lane for the other direction. Add a few parking spots for loading/unloading + disability access, and you may have a hybrid street that's more useable for everyone. Such a pattern could also be spread out throughout a neighborhood, providing improvements all around.
166 people are not the whole community. And most people can't afford to eat outdoors like others. This is for the self entitled. Way too many pilgrims!
This is an overly simplistic review of what is happening here in PH. The issues here are far more complex than you are leading people to believe. The closing of a major traffic artery to other parts of Brooklyn next to Barclay's Stadium and rerouting of the only bus line 3 days a week for 8 months is causing significant issues for our first responders, seniors, differently abled, churches and many of our businesses on Vanderbilt, Underhill and Washington.
It looks like you might be concerned about a different problem here. I am mainly addressing the concerns over losing business due to the open street. If there are other concerns then they should be tackled individually as they may all have different solutions that work best. Lumping issues about bus lanes, business, access to certain destinations, all into one basket and blaming the open street actually risks removing a good thing without solving any of your problems. If you want to solve the access problem then focus on that, but even there a solution can be designed that doesn't involve removing the opens street. If you would be interested in talking more, I'd be happy to chat for future developments of this story. My contact is tim.chin.walks@gmail.com
I'm not concerned about a different problem, I am concerned you're oversimplifying this problem and giving your viewers an extremely skewed take on what's actually happening here. Your title and thumbnail imply people want to take away the Vanderbilt open street, even though it has helped business. But both those statements are an overly simplistic, inaccurate take. The Vanderbilt Open street has helped some businesses, but it has hurt others. There are 10 businesses on Vanderbilt who do not want the open street 3 days a week for 8 months. And many in our community have been repeatedly asking the people who run the Vanderbilt open street to address these issues, to come up with a plan, to negotiate a different version of this open street, to meet us in the middle with some compromises, not necessarily completely take it away. Yet the managers of the permit have repeatedly refused to even acknowledge any problem with the program even exists. I would be happy to discuss the matter in more detail. Thank you for offering, I'll email you directly. @@timwalks
couldn't agree more. I love your recent focus on pedestrian areas. It really is crazy how difficult it is to have even a single small area within a large city that prioritizes pedestrians
Whats so strange is that there is clear demand. Even some of the business owners on Washington Ave discussed that they like the open street. But weve normalized making 70% of our public space for the storage and movement of a private asset, the car. So any deviation from that mindset seems weird to some
another awesome video. good job on the investigation! petition signed!
Always appreciate the support, and I know the folks on Vanderbilt do too!
ok. all jokes aside, the revenue history analysis is not really necessary in my humble opinion. if a move legitimately brings in more businesses, then asking for this move to be reversed in order for the competitors to stay afloat is undoubtedly regressive which has no place in a progressive society. it is just wrong in principle.
I hope Washington Ave will also become an open street. Win-Win for Everyone!
crazy to me that even in NYC, which is very pedestrian friendly compared to the rest of the nation, still has issues with walkability / traffic.
Check out some of my other videos. You'd be surprised to learn that there is a lot of contention in NYC right now about various transportation and pedestrian initiatives.
@@timwalks will do. I live in the south. 0 infra or care about pedestrian life. Really just super depressed about not have any walkability options.
As an intermediate step, why not rotate the open street, having it alternate between the two streets?
That way the traffic nuisance is spread more evenly, and the benefits are shared evenly as well. It also gives space for slowly expanding it.
On the other hand, with how the pendulum swings, it may be worth it to go for permanent installations as soon as possible, so one conservative snowflake cannot just turn it all back into car space for his compensation SUV.
I think the effect is much more indirect as well. The fact that there's a community organising activities brings life into an area, and allows businesses to do their own things based on that.
Even in your video you can see it particularly empty
Vanderbilt Open Streets is 3 days for seven months a year. That is significantly more than any other Open Street in the city. Not all businesses and residents on Vanderbilt benefit from it or want it. Yes, we are organizing as it is excessive. A handful of restaurants benefit greatly but three days for seven months is a burden on the rest of us that does not outweigh the benefit of a few. Walk Vanderbilt and you will see how few people are using it.
When the biggest total of people is 166 folks is not worth causing havoc on traffic for 12 hours. This is not looking out for the whole community!!!!
Do you have source for that number?
Yes I do . We count all day.
Then those 166 persons cause 1 million USD of extra income, or possibly even more (since the rest of the region is doing worse and worse)? Not bad, we should interview them and figure out what causes them to spend 6000 USD per person in a single street.
Even if you assume it's different persons every day, based on 8 months of open street, 2 days a week you get to around 100 USD per person per day in an area that looks mostly like bars and stuff, quite alright I'd say.
Perhaps what makes them happy can be expanded upon so more people are willing to spend such numbers on their local businesses.
Or perhaps you're talking out of your behind. Based on data from a lot of countries that aren't the USA, people spend more in pedestrianised zones than in car-infested zones. It's basic common sense: if you are mostly dependant on car-based visitors, then either you have seriously limited customer base (because of parking issues), or you have so much parking around you that everyone only visits you by car. The latter means you become a specific location to go to, instead of part of a larger fabric.
Pedestrianising is a tool, a method of making things different/better/nicer. I think it will, for streets such as this one, always make the experience on the street more pleasant than with a lot of cars on there. A small bar with a couple of tables outside works better on an open street than next to a 6-lane boulevard. Therefore, for the kind of shops that depend more on passer-by's this gives a huge advantage. I could imagine that a shop specialising in washing machines etc. has less benefit from being on such a street (or even a negative one), because people do not walk on a street and think: you know what I'm gonna buy today: a new washing machine. And even if they do, they'll do research themselves and figure out that this new york store with high rents is much more expensive than an online shop.
That being said, they could also have chosen for removing on-street parking, and going for lane dieting. Let's say that instead of closing the street entirely, it turns into a one-way lane + a bus lane/emergency vehicle lane for the other direction. Add a few parking spots for loading/unloading + disability access, and you may have a hybrid street that's more useable for everyone. Such a pattern could also be spread out throughout a neighborhood, providing improvements all around.
166 people are not the whole community. And most people can't afford to eat outdoors like others. This is for the self entitled. Way too many pilgrims!
@@jayruiz6362pilgrims? wow dude, you doing ok?
That's your data Tim Chin your own video
This is an overly simplistic review of what is happening here in PH. The issues here are far more complex than you are leading people to believe. The closing of a major traffic artery to other parts of Brooklyn next to Barclay's Stadium and rerouting of the only bus line 3 days a week for 8 months is causing significant issues for our first responders, seniors, differently abled, churches and many of our businesses on Vanderbilt, Underhill and Washington.
It looks like you might be concerned about a different problem here. I am mainly addressing the concerns over losing business due to the open street. If there are other concerns then they should be tackled individually as they may all have different solutions that work best. Lumping issues about bus lanes, business, access to certain destinations, all into one basket and blaming the open street actually risks removing a good thing without solving any of your problems. If you want to solve the access problem then focus on that, but even there a solution can be designed that doesn't involve removing the opens street.
If you would be interested in talking more, I'd be happy to chat for future developments of this story. My contact is tim.chin.walks@gmail.com
I'm not concerned about a different problem, I am concerned you're oversimplifying this problem and giving your viewers an extremely skewed take on what's actually happening here. Your title and thumbnail imply people want to take away the Vanderbilt open street, even though it has helped business. But both those statements are an overly simplistic, inaccurate take. The Vanderbilt Open street has helped some businesses, but it has hurt others. There are 10 businesses on Vanderbilt who do not want the open street 3 days a week for 8 months. And many in our community have been repeatedly asking the people who run the Vanderbilt open street to address these issues, to come up with a plan, to negotiate a different version of this open street, to meet us in the middle with some compromises, not necessarily completely take it away. Yet the managers of the permit have repeatedly refused to even acknowledge any problem with the program even exists. I would be happy to discuss the matter in more detail. Thank you for offering, I'll email you directly. @@timwalks
Source: trust me bro
you're lying. everybody knows that car travels and parking bring in business ergo a street closed to cars could not have had more businesses.
Are you serious? Hahaha. Oh dear...
Its a street for cars. Move on you will be fine..smh