To be fair, Hector had been fighting the Greeks every since they landed. Achilles only had one battle and that was when he and his men first arrived. Not to make excuses but Hector was tired and bartered from the earlier battles.
Hector had a Long night to rest up...and as you said, Achilies hadn't been fighting in a while...so technically, he should have been in lest physical shape to meet Hector, who (as you say) had been fighting greeks constantly. Just goes to show that Achiles, even when resting, was Vastly more skilled than Hector!
Undriel Grenger Hector was not mentally prepared for Achilles. He had just killed his cousin which in the Illiad was his lover. He was stressed and troubled about that. In addition like I said before he was tired and fatigued from previous fights. One night of rest was not going to make up for all that. Achilles was a gifted born killer. It didnt matter for him whether he hadn't fought in a month he was always ready to go. He is damn near a war God. The fight between the two would have been more of a challenge for Achilles had it happened at their first meeting at Apolos temple when Hector was eager to battle him. It would have been even more of a challenge if the person in his armor was really Achilles when his cousin was killed.
Just so you know, in reality no one ever killed Ajax. He had a dual with Hector during the war for a long time but it was a drew. They couldn't hurt each other. Ajax went mad toward the end of the war and fell on his own spear. Either suicide or just a moment of madness. War can make men mad. It was a 10 year war. (Imagine having PTSD after 1 year and keep fighting for another 9 with it). It was a long time after they lost Achilles. He never made it back to Greece. He was older than Achilles by a couple of years, trained with him at childhood, and received the same education. It was just Ajax and Achilles. No other kids were there. They were taught by the same man. Forgot his name. Ajax was a giant. Even as a kid, he was bigger than anyone else. He was born to the world he lived in, and tried his best to be the best version of himself. May he rest in peace.
@@mohamedmusthafa4359 That's one opinion. I personally doubt that those names echo through generations for thousands of years just because they're stories. Many unwritten stories were told over time throughout the existence of mankind. None of them are still here, still echoing so strongly in our souls like the stories of the Trojan war and Leonidas and the 300. I believe them to be real events. The magnitude of the events is the speculative part in my opinion.
@@Natures_Symmetry However, it counts that the myth has been transmitted and then modified orally for centuries and even when it was transcribed it was modified even later in favor of the Achaeans in particular, personally to me the myth I don't like it so much I find it too biased in favor of the Achaeans who have the strongest, fairest, most noble heroes ... Elena herself is described as a woman who deeply loved Menelaus, but on the other hand, the winners always write history ...
Hector did not kill Ajax....Ajax commited suicide after the war...and they were 2 Greek kings named Ajax that fought in the Trojan war.....Ajax Telamonius(the giant depicted in this movie)and Ajax of Locris
In the legend Ajax was invincible just as his cousin Achilles. The vulnerable point of Ajax was his armpit and he committed suicide by jumping on an erected sword piercing his weak point. This is one of the things twisted in this movie.
I love how the only reason Ajax actually didn't finish Hector, was the life bled out of him. He was strangling and lifting the Prince, whilst being stabbed by the sword. He's like 'Bitch, I'mma get you.'
Fun facts: - Ajax and Achilles were cousins. - Ajax fought Hector in a Duel, twice. And in both occasions were draw. After the first duel they exchange gifts and Ajax got Hector's sword. - Ajax was more of a Defensive warrior. He single handily defended many Troyans attacks to burn Greek Ships. - Ajax fights with a great shield and he throw big rocks. One of them almost killed Hector... He did not use a warhammer (which is waaay cooler) - Ajax fights with his younger brother who is proficient with a bow and covers Ajax. - Ajax survived the Troyan war and he is the one who retrieved the dead body of Achilles and brought him home. - Achilles possesses a magic armor which many warrior wanted. Ajax should get the armor but Odysseus was a better orator and convince the gods to give him the armor. - Ajax got so mad with shame that he killed himself with hector sword over Achilles armor. - Ajax turns into a household detergent. lol
Tefkros the son of Telamon, heir of the throne of Salamis, the most skillful bowman of the Trojan war was the older brother of Ajax. After the war he was punished from his father, because he had promised him to protect his younger brother. He was expelled from Salamis because Ajax committed suicide. After an oracle of Delphi he went to the southeastern coast of Cyprus where he built the Kingdom of Salamis after his homeland
Glad to see this comment. The whole movie while entertaining is riddled with inaccuracies. Menelaus dies in the movie but in the book he returns home. Agamemnon survives the war but is later murdered by his wife on the return home. You cover Ajax and Hector well. And then in the fight against Achilles and Hector I love the way they spice it up in the movie but it takes away from Achilles cuz in the book Achilles kills him pretty quickly, it was lent that the two fighters were close, nobody was anywhere near the skill of Achilles. They also totally don’t even have Diomedes in the film but he’s a total badass in the book.
@Dan Lumo I mean I wouldn’t call it history but I get what you’re saying. At the end of the day they have to make the story screen friendly and while for example in the context of the book, Achilles killing Hector is dramatic, that scene written strictly off the book would be very underwhelming on screen so I get it, that’s why I prefaced my comment by mentioning that the movie is entertaining albeit inaccurate.
2:06 I love this shot of Priam. You can just see the overwhelming pride/love he has for his eldest son. As always, Peter O'Toole does such a great job in his role
it must be one of the most satisfying things in the world to challenge and defeat a man who's twice your size while your whole country and your wife are watching you.
FeedMoreNoobs If he bought a thornmail he would have survived those basic attacks while returning dmg to Hector. The other option is to buy a warden's mail to slow hector's attack speed which was quite high as it was.
They should've stuck with the original story - Hector doesn't kill Ajax, they fight to a brutal draw and each earn the other's respect. Still a great scene though.
in the original story Ajax ends up shamed and kills himself. I prefer this version, at least here he died in battle fighting another hero, and not falling to his own sword.
@@poulsdpoulsd6593 no, he wanted to kill all the other kings of the Argive host, but Athena wasn't having any of it and so blinded him, making him think he was killing the other leaders. when he woke up the next morning, he found himself among the carcasses of sheep. and then he killed himself out of shame
@@smallville4351 No, he wasn't. He fled from Achilles when filled with fear from Apollo, but then turned and faced him. He actually dodged Achilles first spear and charged straight at him despite Athena returning the spear to Achilles' hand. Dude was a beast and a true hero.
Iliad: Lots were drawn amongst the Achaean heroes, and Ajax the Great was thus chosen to face Hector. The battle between the two great warriors began at dawn, and lasted through until dusk. Neither Ajax nor Hector could gain the upper hand in the fight though, and eventually heralds called an end to hostility, at which point the two heroes exchanged gifts, Ajax presenting Hector with a sword belt, and Hector giving Ajax a sword. Hollywood:
Well, I mean by our modern movie standards, it would be silly to do a fight in the manner that Homer (or whoever actually wrote the Iliad) presented it. I mean just imagine them spending like half an hour of movie on a fight, just to then both of the fighters be like: "Hey man, it's like the dusk. Shall we call the day? It was a good fight. Here, have some gifts. See ya tomorrow." It would be silly, wouldn't it?
@@justinian-the-great It was either accuracy or not but then again this is modern retelling with "what if the gods didn't interfere with the trojan war"
Hector remains in the annals of history. The real hero. Never unjust. A great prince, a humble son, a caring brother, a visionary philosopher who could see through the superstition of the priests, a caring husband who guides his wife about the ways to safe passage. And above all a true warrior... tired, wounded, yet accepting the duel with energetic & fresh Achilles knowing well he was bound to lose his life. Salute you Hector.
@CAESER AUGUSTUS he was resting because of the curse of the river Styx, he granted semi immortality, at the cost of huge fatigue after his movements, he was never fully "rested"
I love how Ajax punches Hector even though he got stabbed through the gut.Then he proceeds to break the spear in half as blood gushes out of his mouth and beat him with it with the other half still in him XD What a badass.
When I was a boy, I cheered blindly for Achilles, with his flowing hair and flashy moves. As a man, I cannot help but admire the resolve of Prince Hector of Troy. To embody such prowess of self, is a feat more legendary than even the combative skills of the man who slew him.
@@Alvin_Vivian You idolise the man that happily prayed for his comrades to be slaughtered so everybody would know how important he was to him? Bit weird
When Ajax realizes that he's playing against Juventus in the Champions League. EDIT: Ajax seemed to finally lift the curse of taking Ls against Juve, but historically speaking the latter has more dubs.
I always loved the showcase of reactions starting from 2:04. Andromache: relief and joy that her husband is still alive and has triumphed. Priam: undescribably pride and joy at the great feat of his son, defeating such a monster of a warrior. Achilles: utterly pissed to see a good friend, Ajax, die on a pointless war for the ambition of a strategic moron, Agamemnon (who basically sent the army to die on that charge).
Everyone is giving his or her opinion of each warrior's fighting prowess. But Homer provides us with a ranking if you read between the lines of his writing. I'm basing the following on Homer not on Brad Pitt's flawed movie. FIRST TIER: (supernatural) Achilles. Achilles is in a league of his own. In one way, he is like the incredible Hulk in that the angrier he gets the deadlier he gets. He doesn't have super strength but rather invulnerability in battle. When pissed off, he goes berserk. When you combine his hot temper with being impervious to attack (except in his heel) it is no wonder that the Trojans run from him. SECOND TIER: (extraordinary) Diomedes, Ajax, Hector, Odysseus. These four are as formidable as warriors can get without having supernatural ability. Some argue that Diomedes is the 2nd best fighter after Achilles. others say it is Ajax (who like Achilles had a ferocious temper). Hector briefly faces off against Diomedes but it's a draw. Hector also has a duel with Ajax but again it's inconclusive. Ajax has a wrestling match with Odysseus. Even though Ajax is taller and has a longer reach, Odysseus is pretty strong and the match is also a draw. Conclusion: Homer indicates in so many words that these four heroes are more or less equal in fighting ability. THIRD TIER: (above average) Aeneas, Patroklos, Ajax (the lesser) Menelaus. Aeneas is an excellent fighter but not quite a match for anyone in the above tier. At different times, he is almost killed by Diomedes and Achilles and just barely escapes. He is a much deadlier fighter in Virgil's book than he is in the Illiad. That indicates that he either became a more proficient warrior with time or that he had more ferocious opponents during the Trojan war. Patroklos was also an excellent fighter but not a match for Hector. Ajax (the lesser) was not as strong as the bigger Ajax but he was excellent with a lance and with a bow and arrow. Menelaus killed 8 men and almost killed Paris so he's no cream puff either. FOURTH TIER: (average) Paris, Troilus. These two are only average fighters. That is not to say that they were wimps. Just not exceptional. Paris true skills were in the bedroom. He was a lover not a fighter. But although he was only average in sword fighting, he was a damn good archer. And almost as cunning as Odysseus. As for Troilus, there doesn't seem to be anything exceptional about him. He has the same problem as Paris. He thinks too much of love to be a great fighter. Cannot take his mind off of Criseyde.
toussaintf1 I think you have got it together quite well. However didn't Diomedes almost kill Hector twice, being prevented from doing so the first time only by Zeus, and the second time when Paris shot him in the foot? And wasn't he described by Helenus the seer as "the mightiest of the Greeks", "unrivaled in power", even above Achilles? Didn't he also beat Ajax during Patroclus' funeral games? And wounded both the god of war and the goddess of love with Athena's aid? It's truly a pity that he was rarely mentioned in any adaptation of Troy. Although I guess Homer himself did say that after Achilles, Ajax was the mightiest fighting man ;)
John Huang Homer praised everyone. Ajax was the mightiest because for those ages he was tall (probably 6 foot and maybe shorter). Homer mentions in a rhapsody that Ajax was the second best and sometimes mentions in another rhapsody that Hector or Diomedes were the second best. Only Achilles as a fighter was above everyone.
@@soundwavesuperior28 Hercules was a son of Zeus, that's about as OP as it's possible to be in Greek mythology. Hector was just a bloke who was incredibly skilled in combat.
Ajax was not killed by Hector, and could not have been killed by him : apart from Achilles, Ajax was the only other immortal on the battle field of Troy, he could not be killed by anyone (but himself). In Homer's Iliad, Ajax at first gets the better of the encounter, wounding Hector with his spear and knocking him down with a large stone, but Hector fights on... Until the heralds, acting at the direction of Zeus, call a draw: the action ends without a winner and with the two combatants exchanging gifts, Ajax giving Hector a purple sash and Hector giving Ajax a sharp sword. (from Wikipedia) The second fight between Ajax and Hector occurs when the latter breaks into the Mycenaean camp, and fights with the Greeks among the ships. In Book 14, Ajax throws a giant rock at Hector which almost kills him. In Book 15, Hector is restored to his strength by Apollo and returns to attack the ships. Ajax, wielding an enormous spear as a weapon and leaping from ship to ship, holds off the Trojan armies virtually single-handedly. In Book 16, Hector and Ajax duel once again. Hector is set on burning the ships, the only way he feels the Greeks will truly be defeated. Hector is able to disarm Ajax (although Ajax is not hurt) and Ajax is forced to retreat, seeing that Zeus is clearly favoring Hector. Hector and the Trojans succeed in burning one Greek ship, the culmination of an assault that almost finishes the war. Ajax is responsible for the death of many Trojans lords, including Phorcys. Ajax often fought in tandem with his brother Teucer, known for his skill with the bow. Ajax would wield his magnificent shield, as Teucer stood behind picking off enemy Trojans. It's later, after a dispute for Achille's magical armor with Odysseus, that Ajax suicides himself (after Athena influences Agamemnon to award Achille's gear to Odysseus).
HawkFest RoG You're an idiot. Both of them were mortals. Them being "demigods" was just a myth because of how great warriors they were. However Achillies was far superior to Ajax in combat skills, therefore he could have been killed by Hector.
Lewis Nostredame I think you are confused with his understanding of this. Hawkfest probably thinks this whole story and all these characters are a myth or a fantasy - like Lord of the Rings. None of those characters - Gandalf, Frodo, Bilbo, Sauron, etc, were real. So what he's saying doesnt make him an idiot who believes that achilles and Ajax were real people who were actually immortal. I'm sure nobody is dumb enough to think that. This was just some illiad written by someone and these characters were part of it, and in this fantasy story, Ajax and Achilles were both immortal, just like in lotr, Gandalf was some kind of demigod sent from some place in the heavens to guide the people of middle earth.
Lewis Nostredame , if someone has to be an idiot it would be you : this Illiad story is not «historical facts», it's a mythical romance by itself, including Achilles, Hercules, Ajax, Odysseus and such! Who made you believe that any of this Iliad story really happened? Do you know anything about Homer? FYI he was like the Tolkien of his era (who's story was then expanded by other authors so that it spans over 3-4 era).
HawkFest RoG You're contradicting yourself completely. First you assurred that Ajax could not have been killed by Hector. Now you're assuming that not of them could've even existed. Besides that, you now change the subject to other warriors. You're an idiot.
The beauty of this scene is that is reveals just what a great leader Hector was. He sees a villain killing his people and he decides to take the responsibility to personality stop this villain instead of hiding at the back.
In ancient Greek mythology, Hector did not kill Ajax, on the contrary Ajax survived the death of many and even took out the body of Achilles from Troy and gave the body to his mother for this Thetis thanked and gave the armor of Achilles to Ajax
Not quite that happened - after recovering Achilles' body, both Odysseus and Ajax argued, whom the armour shold belong to. Odysseus won with the help of Athena, who also clouded Ajax' mind, forcing him into slaughtering a lot of lifestock (whom he believed were the Achaean leaders according to some interpretations.) Shamed by this, Ajax commited suicide by his own sword. Later, when Odysseus visits the Underworld, he meets Ajax' soul and regrets about his victory, losing such a great warrior. However Ajax is still offended and won't speak to him...
***** Don't get me started. I really enjoyed the movie but there were SO many things that were wrong or left out from the original story. Just the fact that King Agamemnon dies at Troy. He survived and made it back home, only to be killed by his wife and her lover. Still a cool flick!
That is wrong, Ajax never gets wounded in any battle. He actually fights Hector, but the fight is stopped by the gods when the night falls, it is declared a draw, and the two men exchange gift as a sign of respect towards another.
@DAVO CAMPBELL A lot of the details probably are. But mythology defines cultures. Multiple people wrote of Troy and the heroes in it and they believe they know where Troy was located now as well
That's what I thought.. Had to look through the comments to see if anyone commented before I ..Ajax is totally a young Robert..even the weapon of choice..size... beard..Hector though go lucky. Had that shield not been there or the spear or the sword..he wouldve lost..love the comparison though..that why I like got.. A mix of many mythology's
+ferleal24..I love that Odysseus is Sean bean..and idk his name but jeor mormont is a advisor on Troy's side..there are alot of actors in this that are or were big in thrones ...that's what i miss in thrones is a character that could be a Achilles types character..so far there are none...also...I'd love to see some Conan the barbarian story thrown in(Arnold version)...also there has only been 1 asain person on the show and there is indeed a imperial china like race east coast of essos ...you know there is some hitori hanzo level katana blades and another mythology to add to the list
When I was a kid, I admired Achilles for obvious reasons(cool, powerful, can kill many enemies alone with ease, etc) but as an adult, I definitely admire Hector more. There were a lot of fights where it's clearly an uphill fight, and he still marches on with no fear. Even when He knows he will die when fighting Achilles, he still confronts him.
read the actual illiad from which this is based..... all the heroes are heroes there is so much character development and intrigue. its a great book. right up there with beowulf in terms of masculine epics.
I've always been a Hector fan, even back then. He was just sucked into all this shit. His stupid brother was the cause for all this, then he fought someone who looked like Achilles only to find out afterwards he was not but that only raised Achilles' anger.
Hector was a successful leader, incorruptible, set aside his ego, stood on his morals and had a beautiful wife. Achilles couldn’t be reasoned with, would (and could) kill anyone that opposed him and had three women in his bed every night. It’s interesting our logic wants us to be the former.. but deep down… we all want to be the latter
Long time after watching the movie, I understood that Hector was the noblest man in the entire saga...A man who has to face everything for the sake of his family and country... ❤️❤️
I like how the heroes are depicted in a somewhat realistic manner. Ajax, Hector of Troy, Achilles... They are humans, no magic bullshit, but they are just superior in some aspects, that could make people talk of them in such a manner that they become legend with time. Ajax is just a huge dude, I am pretty sure monsters of men like that did bring terror to battefields back then. Hector is just a strong, technical and courageous man with a lot of experience. Achille is a little OP, but maybe he could have been the mike tyson of his age. Someone who is just good at what he is doing. You see that a lot in warfare and fighting sports. Every man can fight and learn how to fight, but some people just have it in their blood
You didn't mention that Achilles had the heart of gods, how could he fought and killed hector at the wall, he single-handedly brought more fear to the Troyan much more than the whole greece Army. This man is a beastly inhuman personalty, even his king was afraid of him
@@shepherdolumideowoh7920 I think you missed the original point. The movie goes for a more "human" depiction of the heroes, instead of the more mythological version we are accustomed to.
You can compare this movie to the graphic novel/film 300. That treated history (the battle of Thermopylae) as though it were myth. The movie Troy treats myth as though it were history.
I love how it isn't over-emphasized that the people around them are watching them, the battle rages on despite these two fighting, but then when Ajax finally falls, a huge cheer erupts from the trojan soldiers. It's uplifting without being cheesy.
Did anybody know that Ajax didnt die in a battle in the Greek mythology. He killed himself with a sword after he lost achilleus armor and sword to Odysseus.
@@the_dropbear4392 Yeah, as Ajax is the grandson of Zeus. Ajax also would jump ship from ship as he was so strong and kill the people on board each one just to do it again many times over, it's depressing however how they did him in this flim. I prefer the actual mythology. People usually mistake this one for the lesser Ajax but this is Hollywood's take on Ajax the immortal.
I love how this comment section is full of people with no knowledge about Ancient Greek society or the Iliad, but still want to judge the characters and the plot thinking that this film is the Iliad itself. No, the Iliad is not about the fall of Troy, it is about Achilles' anger (as the very first line states) and the core content of the poem is the difference between Hector, who is a grown man, kills to protect his city, a good father and the true hero, and Achilles, an immature boy who likes killing for the pleasure of it and doesn't care about his son (yes, he has a son). In the end, after killing Hector, Achilles understands what it means to be a man while talking to Priam; that's the true message of the story.
INCORRECT The Illiad is about Héctor. Aquilles is a crybaby who only appears in five chapters, while Héctor is the man who defends his land and family. The Iliad finish with Hector's funeral. Héctor, Tamer of Horses
FOLKFIDDLER14 & we must always trust what is written in a book right? The Trojans were defeated & then scattered. I keep on hearing over & over again in various parts of the internet that they became the Etruscan aka THE ROMANS.
Michael Groesbeck The Illiad was an epic poem written years after the fact but if Hollywood is going to do a movie based on the work, it should remain true to it. Mr. Groesbeck, I get the feeling that you are one of those people who is just a chronic arguer and likes to be contrary.
I like how the Trojans shields are reminiscent of the future Romans shields as according to roman legend they descended from Prince Aeneas and survivors from Troy :D. They even mentioned it at the end of the film as well
@@antigonus1161 they were neighbours of the greeks, and the roman's main tatics to conquer lands without rebellion is to add the conquered country's culture to their own if they resemble a lot
Ajax was a frikking Dreadnought on that battlefield! He just wreacked havoc! Hector bárely defeated him as Ajax was just só incredibly powerful! Un-intimidable, unmatched! Yet he took him down!
Hector had to be the best natural fighter on feild..not having a deity mother nor father and being brave and skilled enough to do combat with 3 warriors trained by the centaur chiron...patroclus, ajax and achielles
In the Iliad, no. Some later authors, only "suggested" that Achilies' relationship to his cousin was sexual in nature. But that's speculation and their own imagination.
The way they choreographed this fight was excellent. The weight of that warhammer felt real and dangerous. Even for a man that big he was slow but extremely powerful. I wish hollywood still gave a shit like they used to. Unless it's Quinton or Scorsese
Razzy1312 I'm sorry but Ajax ismore skilled than anyone in game of thrones + his stats are greater than anyone in game of thrones bar giants of course (maybe) He didn't die here in the mythology, but in the mythology, he was jumping from ship to ship taking on a whole fleet pretty much solo as he killed every man on a ship and then hopped to another ship in the fleet to rinse and repeat. Ajax would shit on the mountain.
+Razzy1312 bitch please the illiad warriors could beat 50 men just by themself when got is too realistic to do that ajax was to be the hulk of the illiad this movie made him a bitch ajax was the best greek warrior after achilles in the war the montain is just a tank he don't stand a chance agains ajax
glorilol 95 50? Yeah that's a very small number, Ajax pretty much solod a fleet of ships without a ship of his own, he in the war hopped onto a ship, killed everyone, and then hopped onto another ship to while still at sea to kill that whole ship, he took out a whole fleet. Ajax I'm pretty sure killed himself after he failed to get Achilles's armor or was tricked by odysseus, something like that, he wasn't strucken down in battle.
I never knew why I admired Hector. He was total ideal or a symbol... Now, after many years I know - he always had something to fight for. This is what I miss. .
Prince Hector, - the bravest soldier ever, - Confronted, Fought & defeated the mightiest .... only beaten by Achilles, who was protected by the gods, - he knew it, but still fought him, knowing he would be killed ... BRAVE Hector .... greatest Hero of all time ...
Jack Shephard You're right, in gladiator battles, crescent shields have a bit more versatility. Just a bit. But not in field battles with thousands of men snuggled in tight formations.
+Girom Christian yeah exactly. Like the scene with Hector vs Achiles; such a rectangular shield would've been quite useless. But indeed, in a field battle with arrows coming at your head, I'd go with that one.
Jack Shephard Rectangular shields are most effective during urban and field warfare with heavy formations, but not against one-on-one combat in a duel. Most likely you're better off dropping your shield.
The movie's full of bullshit, this being just one example: Ajax survived the war and ended up committing suicide when he wasn't given Achilles armor after his death.
@@chrishargreaves8016 That was during the war though, before the fall of Troy, Achilles actually died on the battlefield, not during the sacking, as did Paris.
Achilles was a demigod who took his craft very seriously, though he was literally *given* all of his skills. Hector was a true hero. Hector got it out of the dirt.
@@lightningrain3114 You can't have best of the courage without a feelings which give it a powerful fuel to let it last more. How one can become great without a flaws or a sacrifice?
Achilles was also a true hero. Talent without skill is nothing - Achilles was gifted as an immortal, but he was also the greatest warrior of the Trojan War. Being immortal in Greek mythology did not inherently mean you were extremely strong. For most heroes such as Heracles, it was in fact the bloodline of the gods that gave them both immortality and strength. However, immortality did not inherently mean they were superior to the rest - Theseus, despite being immortal due to being the son of Poseidon, nonetheless had to make heavy efforts to even hold a candle to Heracles. And even then, he was so far away from ever being as great.
When Homer wrote this, Ajax was not beaten nor killed by Hector. Ajax killed himself because Diomedes was chosen to fight Hector. Actually, Diomedes also had beaten Hector.
"La locura de Ayax", "the Ajax madness", is a beautiful mithological reflexion about the madness sought with ancient eyes, like the theatre play "Hercules furens" by Seneca. La locura se va presentando como infundida por los dioses, además de los típicos pecados que castigaban los griegos en las obras, como la soberbia en Aracne. Y así vamos pasando a la locura del mundo descrita en "Elogio de la locura" "Stultitiae laus" de Erasmo de Rotterdan y podemos ver luego a don Quijote atacando rebaños como hizo Ayax. Y se cierra el ciclo.
To be or not too beer. Too much sanity may be madness - and maddest of all: to see life as it is, and not as it should be! Dale Wasserman, Man of La Mancha
In that iliad stuff Ajax kills himself after he dishonors himself. ...so this is just Hollywood rewriting Homer. Homer's name will live when Hollywood is long forgotten.
"Troyjan war never happened" False Their was a city called Troy that existed in that spot on land in Asia minor..We also know their was a falling out between Micenia and other nations and a war broke out....Meaning there was a war Homer was basing it off... However these characters were likely passed on by soldiers in the war then passed down by generations leading to them becoming Embodiments of bad-asses e.g Ajax and Achilies As for Helen it is possible she is a metaphore for whatever Troy did to trigger the war... Actually do some research before you dismiss this stuff
yes there was a city who is presumed to be troy but the war can never ever happened like homer described him his entire story is just a big fanfiction.
Troy never fought the Greeks but enemys like the Hittites. The war between Greece and Troy was just written in a book called Iliad. Achilles, Ajax, Helen, The Trojan horse etc. are all fictional.
Didn't any greek figure out that with some well placed arrows, you could take out some of Troy's leaders? They were standing there and watching the fight like it was a football match.
The Trojan army is being portayed as disciplined and almost professional, while the Greeks are presented as less coordinated. There's also the instinct towards heroic duels present in both.
Any last words?
Ajax: before i die, please name a cleaning detergent for my honor.
You mean francis
And it’s got to be the strongest detergent.
Aaah hahahah! Exactly my thought. Thanx dude. :-D
underrated
Oh Americans, whole other world when heard word Ajax except this one think about AJAX Amsterdam
Achilles be like "Sigh, now I have to handle this shit" XD
And he managed to do it in One fight, by taking out Hector, the best protector of the Trojans.
To be fair, Hector had been fighting the Greeks every since they landed. Achilles only had one battle and that was when he and his men first arrived. Not to make excuses but Hector was tired and bartered from the earlier battles.
Hector had a Long night to rest up...and as you said, Achilies hadn't been fighting in a while...so technically, he should have been in lest physical shape to meet Hector, who (as you say) had been fighting greeks constantly.
Just goes to show that Achiles, even when resting, was Vastly more skilled than Hector!
Lol Hector was the most skilled warrior. But Achiles have gods in his family, he have supernatural everything.
Undriel Grenger Hector was not mentally prepared for Achilles. He had just killed his cousin which in the Illiad was his lover. He was stressed and troubled about that. In addition like I said before he was tired and fatigued from previous fights. One night of rest was not going to make up for all that. Achilles was a gifted born killer. It didnt matter for him whether he hadn't fought in a month he was always ready to go. He is damn near a war God. The fight between the two would have been more of a challenge for Achilles had it happened at their first meeting at Apolos temple when Hector was eager to battle him. It would have been even more of a challenge if the person in his armor was really Achilles when his cousin was killed.
Just so you know, in reality no one ever killed Ajax. He had a dual with Hector during the war for a long time but it was a drew. They couldn't hurt each other. Ajax went mad toward the end of the war and fell on his own spear. Either suicide or just a moment of madness. War can make men mad. It was a 10 year war. (Imagine having PTSD after 1 year and keep fighting for another 9 with it). It was a long time after they lost Achilles. He never made it back to Greece. He was older than Achilles by a couple of years, trained with him at childhood, and received the same education. It was just Ajax and Achilles. No other kids were there. They were taught by the same man. Forgot his name. Ajax was a giant. Even as a kid, he was bigger than anyone else. He was born to the world he lived in, and tried his best to be the best version of himself. May he rest in peace.
he went mad cause of loosing achilles armor in the games
In reality these are all stories, nothing ever happened
@@mohamedmusthafa4359 That's one opinion. I personally doubt that those names echo through generations for thousands of years just because they're stories. Many unwritten stories were told over time throughout the existence of mankind. None of them are still here, still echoing so strongly in our souls like the stories of the Trojan war and Leonidas and the 300. I believe them to be real events. The magnitude of the events is the speculative part in my opinion.
@@Natures_Symmetry However, it counts that the myth has been transmitted and then modified orally for centuries and even when it was transcribed it was modified even later in favor of the Achaeans in particular, personally to me the myth I don't like it so much I find it too biased in favor of the Achaeans who have the strongest, fairest, most noble heroes ... Elena herself is described as a woman who deeply loved Menelaus, but on the other hand, the winners always write history ...
I think the name of the old name was Phoenix
Ajax: What is my name?!
Hector: Oh I'm gonna f*cking spell it out for ya.
Francis!
My favorite part of this scene is when hector decides he’ll take on Ajax, no hesitation... real leader right there
Hector not only was a beast but he wasn’t blessed by gods either. Took down Achilles apprentice and Ajax. The real hero of this movie was Hector:
Achilles knew, Ajax fell, he was left to fight.
Great reaction shot from Peter O'Toole.
Hector did not kill Ajax....Ajax commited suicide after the war...and they were 2 Greek kings named Ajax that fought in the Trojan war.....Ajax Telamonius(the giant depicted in this movie)and Ajax of Locris
Me in bannerlord when I see an enemy lord killing all my soldiers.
Achilles was like... He is upto my level
In the legend Ajax was invincible just as his cousin Achilles. The vulnerable point of Ajax was his armpit and he committed suicide by jumping on an erected sword piercing his weak point. This is one of the things twisted in this movie.
Not a cellphone in sight. Just people living in the moment
Clyde Church and dying
Hamsterbuns Tv with living being requisite for death. As if cell phone users don’t die.
Ok boomer
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Clyde Mustang fucken lol
you know you're a badass when you beat someone down with the spear they just stabbed you with.
Too true.
Haha. Ikr.
...Or just too strong.
I love how the only reason Ajax actually didn't finish Hector, was the life bled out of him. He was strangling and lifting the Prince, whilst being stabbed by the sword. He's like 'Bitch, I'mma get you.'
"For Odin gives wrath, the burning courage which scorns deadly wounds. Such is the divine fury."
Fun facts:
- Ajax and Achilles were cousins.
- Ajax fought Hector in a Duel, twice. And in both occasions were draw. After the first duel they exchange gifts and Ajax got Hector's sword.
- Ajax was more of a Defensive warrior. He single handily defended many Troyans attacks to burn Greek Ships.
- Ajax fights with a great shield and he throw big rocks. One of them almost killed Hector... He did not use a warhammer (which is waaay cooler)
- Ajax fights with his younger brother who is proficient with a bow and covers Ajax.
- Ajax survived the Troyan war and he is the one who retrieved the dead body of Achilles and brought him home.
- Achilles possesses a magic armor which many warrior wanted. Ajax should get the armor but Odysseus was a better orator and convince the gods to give him the armor.
- Ajax got so mad with shame that he killed himself with hector sword over Achilles armor.
- Ajax turns into a household detergent. lol
Tefkros the son of Telamon, heir of the throne of Salamis, the most skillful bowman of the Trojan war was the older brother of Ajax. After the war he was punished from his father, because he had promised him to protect his younger brother. He was expelled from Salamis because Ajax committed suicide. After an oracle of Delphi he went to the southeastern coast of Cyprus where he built the Kingdom of Salamis after his homeland
@Dan Lumo it's not history it's mythology
The Gods cursed him because of his actions that caused outraged the Gods that they decided to make him a brand of household detergent. 😭😭
Glad to see this comment. The whole movie while entertaining is riddled with inaccuracies. Menelaus dies in the movie but in the book he returns home. Agamemnon survives the war but is later murdered by his wife on the return home. You cover Ajax and Hector well. And then in the fight against Achilles and Hector I love the way they spice it up in the movie but it takes away from Achilles cuz in the book Achilles kills him pretty quickly, it was lent that the two fighters were close, nobody was anywhere near the skill of Achilles. They also totally don’t even have Diomedes in the film but he’s a total badass in the book.
@Dan Lumo I mean I wouldn’t call it history but I get what you’re saying. At the end of the day they have to make the story screen friendly and while for example in the context of the book, Achilles killing Hector is dramatic, that scene written strictly off the book would be very underwhelming on screen so I get it, that’s why I prefaced my comment by mentioning that the movie is entertaining albeit inaccurate.
Man I was searching for Ajax vs Real Madrid and I ended up here😂
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it sure was better right?🤣🤣
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Well, at least Ajax will live on forever as a cleaning brand... May he always be in our cabinets.
Lmao.
Ha ha ha! I laughed pretty fucking hard at that comment!
Don't listen to him....I mean how scary can he be, with a name like Francis...
DunkdaHunk Ha, I was thinking of that too.
Did you mean Francis ? :D :D :D
2:06 I love this shot of Priam. You can just see the overwhelming pride/love he has for his eldest son. As always, Peter O'Toole does such a great job in his role
If that was my son I would be on the battlefield side by side
@@DimitriTheBarbarianbased
Igual Aquiles ya se lo cogio :V
Well you have to give the poor man a compensation to balance the shame that is Paris .
Apparently he was a bit of a pest on set, and constantly drunk.
Now 3,000 years later ajax has a soccer team named after him. Not bad
Not to mention a series of web programming techniques.
And the cleaning brand from colgate :)
Fairly,Ajax was one of the most brave warriors of the Troyan war,there is a Greek team in this hero's land,which was an island close to Athens.
And a Cruiser
As well as babylon!
it must be one of the most satisfying things in the world to challenge and defeat a man who's twice your size while your whole country and your wife are watching you.
@@snyggmikael you must be so good at the parties.
@@snyggmikael what, at least i tried, you? You are just ruining people's jokes my friend
@@snyggmikael yes you are a joke now go play with the kids
@@snyggmikael you figured it out! Im a child because of my anime profile picture. Im impressed, i'll throw you a medal
@@snyggmikael Lol you fail horribly. Run along now, junior. 😂
Ajax had high HP indeed
Hacker.
Max Payne he probably afk farmed for 30 mins
Stephan Gels That must be it. Although I think his damage was boosted too.
FeedMoreNoobs If he bought a thornmail he would have survived those basic attacks while returning dmg to Hector. The other option is to buy a warden's mail to slow hector's attack speed which was quite high as it was.
FeedMoreNoobs That means that he's Sion, right?
They should've stuck with the original story - Hector doesn't kill Ajax, they fight to a brutal draw and each earn the other's respect. Still a great scene though.
Agreed
A draw and mutual respect is not exactly what the crowd expects from Hollywood.
Lol. We would of been there for hours if we saw the aftermath of him and Odysseus squabbling over Achilles armor.
@@philofthesouth6019 - haha true, but I'd be up for it!
in the original story Ajax ends up shamed and kills himself. I prefer this version, at least here he died in battle fighting another hero, and not falling to his own sword.
0:26 ONE CAMERA LEFT XD
Nice catch!!
Woowh!! Ahahah..!
ROFL how did that get missed
@@JJvideoman maybe that camera man was a time traveler.. 😂, travels to the time of the Trojan War.. (joke)
Well İdk.. 🙄🤔
This is a massive production. How the heck they still left some mistakes like this lol
0:30 Just look how Hector went in to protect that soldier. Now that's a leader worth following.
Bet be offered his ass to him that night in gratitude
I won't follow a leader whose brother brought war to me
@@shazamsakazaki It's not his fault.
@@shazamsakazaki don't be petty
Too bad they all watched him get killed the next day.
supposely Hector was the only man on the battlefield that could fight Ajax 1on 1 and he didn't hesitate, what a hero
Yes but Ajax was actually said to have committed suicide, not died in battle
the story goes they fought to a draw and gave eachother gifts out of respect.
Yes originally ajax just suicide after kill all his friend who were transform in sheep by Athena
@@poulsdpoulsd6593 no, he wanted to kill all the other kings of the Argive host, but Athena wasn't having any of it and so blinded him, making him think he was killing the other leaders. when he woke up the next morning, he found himself among the carcasses of sheep. and then he killed himself out of shame
@@Anonymous8830 ho yeah sorry you'r right now that I check the story I remember
It's amazing that hector wasn't slowed down by the sheer weight of his steel balls. Bravest man in the two armies.
In the original poem he was a coward
@@smallville4351 No, he wasn't. He fled from Achilles when filled with fear from Apollo, but then turned and faced him. He actually dodged Achilles first spear and charged straight at him despite Athena returning the spear to Achilles' hand. Dude was a beast and a true hero.
Thats why he started on the horse, otherwise he never would have made it to the fight
@@pietrpiepir6444 True
@@pietrpiepir6444 a hero? More like a coward
2:00
Hector kills Ajax
Judges:
Hector's wife: 10
King Priam: 10
Achilles: eh... 6
Lmao hard to impress achilies
Looooollllaaaaaaaaaaahhhh!!!!! 😂🤣
Lol!
Beh it's a 6 it's a sufficient lol
More like a 4 frankly
Ajax vs Boagrius wouldve been one hell of a fight.
jon ho Ajax would have won with no effort.
Nathan Jones vs Tyler Mane? Fuck yes.
Ajax vs Tormund Giantsbane and The Hound.
Ajax vs Michael Myers
jon ho Ajax vs Manchester United
Iliad: Lots were drawn amongst the Achaean heroes, and Ajax the Great was thus chosen to face Hector. The battle between the two great warriors began at dawn, and lasted through until dusk.
Neither Ajax nor Hector could gain the upper hand in the fight though, and eventually heralds called an end to hostility, at which point the two heroes exchanged gifts, Ajax presenting Hector with a sword belt, and Hector giving Ajax a sword.
Hollywood:
The irony is that Achilles used this sword belt to tie Hector and drag him all the way back to the Greek camp after he killed him.
When an unstoppable force meets an immovable object
Well, I mean by our modern movie standards, it would be silly to do a fight in the manner that Homer (or whoever actually wrote the Iliad) presented it. I mean just imagine them spending like half an hour of movie on a fight, just to then both of the fighters be like: "Hey man, it's like the dusk. Shall we call the day? It was a good fight. Here, have some gifts. See ya tomorrow." It would be silly, wouldn't it?
@@justinian-the-great It was either accuracy or not but then again this is modern retelling with "what if the gods didn't interfere with the trojan war"
Thank you for posting this.
Helen after watching Hector: "Wrong brother."
Helen was blown out and from the streets. Young Paris was a total Cuck
Not really. Giving Paris some time to grow, we will get Legolas 😂
@@phuongvu527Legolas grew to become Paris😂😂😂😂😂
@@prashant-bm4fp that would be degrade
@@phuongvu527 What can I do? LOTR came in 2001 and Troy in 2004🤣🤣🤣🤣
Hector remains in the annals of history. The real hero. Never unjust. A great prince, a humble son, a caring brother, a visionary philosopher who could see through the superstition of the priests, a caring husband who guides his wife about the ways to safe passage. And above all a true warrior... tired, wounded, yet accepting the duel with energetic & fresh Achilles knowing well he was bound to lose his life. Salute you Hector.
Couldn't help reading it as anals
blue lining 😂
Read the Iliad. He's semi decent, but nothing like the hero they've made him out to be in the movie.
You should read the Illiad not just the hollywood movie.
@CAESER AUGUSTUS he was resting because of the curse of the river Styx, he granted semi immortality, at the cost of huge fatigue after his movements, he was never fully "rested"
Ajax can't die! He needs to go on adventures with Arkantos!
whowantsabighug yup in aom 1
Thank you for the memories :(
prostagma??
Loved that game as a kid
@@georgeharrison4173 neh !!
I love how Ajax punches Hector even though he got stabbed through the gut.Then he proceeds to break the spear in half as blood gushes out of his mouth and beat him with it with the other half still in him XD
What a badass.
Abraham Lincoln in mythology Ajax was a warrior who didn’t feel any pain, that’s why he was so hard to get shocked with a hit)
Abraham Lincoln rip Ajax who clearly isn’t achilles
Ajax was a BEAST OF A MAN!
Hardcore. They might have been good friends under different circumstances.
Badass is exactly what I thought. There’s really nothing more badass you could do than exactly that.
When I was a boy, I cheered blindly for Achilles, with his flowing hair and flashy moves.
As a man, I cannot help but admire the resolve of Prince Hector of Troy. To embody such prowess of self, is a feat more legendary than even the combative skills of the man who slew him.
Truly Hector is my favourite character as well! I never read the Iliad... But based on this movie, he's the best character IMO👍🏾
As a boy, I idolized Achilles.
As a man, I idolize Achilles.
Hector was an idiot who sacrificed himself for others.
@@Alvin_Vivian Eventually, you'll come to realise that you're still a boy.
@@Alvin_Vivian You idolise the man that happily prayed for his comrades to be slaughtered so everybody would know how important he was to him? Bit weird
@@Alvin_Vivian your mentality is still immature. Entire time Achilles was just fighting for himself
When Ajax realizes that he's playing against Juventus in the Champions League.
EDIT: Ajax seemed to finally lift the curse of taking Ls against Juve, but historically speaking the latter has more dubs.
+Jefferson Moordenaar Ajax Amsterdam
lol
And first Anatolian National Hero. So real Hero not a demi-god like Achilius
I mean like come on, Hector's hair *does* resemble Baggio in many aspects.
At least, Madrid are killed by Ajax
Achilles was thinking “damn do i have to handle everything around here?” 😂😂😂
I wouldn't blame him lol. Achilles is basically just a weapon for the Greeks. The only person that respected Achilles was odysseus
@@kennylindsay268 what about myrmidons? a.k.a Achilles's boys
@@ЭдгарАпресян true fair point. But literally achilles was the only person who actually turned the tide of the war.
Incorrect, he was sad to see his friend die.
@@kennylindsay268 I think Patroclus respected him too. I might hav butchered his name by accident sorry.
2:07 When your Dad sees you score a goal in 2nd Grade Rec Soccer...
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*football
More like when you crap your pants and you are already committed so you just sit there and make that face
2:12 for me
I always loved the showcase of reactions starting from 2:04.
Andromache: relief and joy that her husband is still alive and has triumphed.
Priam: undescribably pride and joy at the great feat of his son, defeating such a monster of a warrior.
Achilles: utterly pissed to see a good friend, Ajax, die on a pointless war for the ambition of a strategic moron, Agamemnon (who basically sent the army to die on that charge).
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Patroclus and Eudoros: Horror that the great Ajax had fallen, and looking to Achilles as if to say, "Surely now, you'll join the fight!"
One of my favorite parts of this scene
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Nobody has said a single word about Sean Bean not dying on this movie!!! he finally live to tell a tale!!!
Holy crap, you're right lol...that guy dies in everything he's in
but look at what his character went thru after lol
And he didn't die in national treasure, but got arrested 🤣😂
He also went through the Odyssey without dying...offscreen of course.😅
Because, the Trojans didn't have a Joffrey.
Greeks attack Troy.
Archers: "Free XP bois!"
Their shields were purely decorative, apparently
Everyone is giving his or her opinion of each warrior's fighting prowess. But Homer provides us with a ranking if you read between the lines of his writing. I'm basing the following on Homer not on Brad Pitt's flawed movie.
FIRST TIER: (supernatural) Achilles. Achilles is in a league of his own. In one way, he is like the incredible Hulk in that the angrier he gets the deadlier he gets. He doesn't have super strength but rather invulnerability in battle. When pissed off, he goes berserk. When you combine his hot temper with being impervious to attack (except in his heel) it is no wonder that the Trojans run from him.
SECOND TIER: (extraordinary) Diomedes, Ajax, Hector, Odysseus. These four are as formidable as warriors can get without having supernatural ability. Some argue that Diomedes is the 2nd best fighter after Achilles. others say it is Ajax (who like Achilles had a ferocious temper). Hector briefly faces off against Diomedes but it's a draw. Hector also has a duel with Ajax but again it's inconclusive. Ajax has a wrestling match with Odysseus. Even though Ajax is taller and has a longer reach, Odysseus is pretty strong and the match is also a draw. Conclusion: Homer indicates in so many words that these four heroes are more or less equal in fighting ability.
THIRD TIER: (above average) Aeneas, Patroklos, Ajax (the lesser) Menelaus. Aeneas is an excellent fighter but not quite a match for anyone in the above tier. At different times, he is almost killed by Diomedes and Achilles and just barely escapes. He is a much deadlier fighter in Virgil's book than he is in the Illiad. That indicates that he either became a more proficient warrior with time or that he had more ferocious opponents during the Trojan war. Patroklos was also an excellent fighter but not a match for Hector. Ajax (the lesser) was not as strong as the bigger Ajax but he was excellent with a lance and with a bow and arrow. Menelaus killed 8 men and almost killed Paris so he's no cream puff either.
FOURTH TIER: (average) Paris, Troilus. These two are only average fighters. That is not to say that they were wimps. Just not exceptional. Paris true skills were in the bedroom. He was a lover not a fighter. But although he was only average in sword fighting, he was a damn good archer. And almost as cunning as Odysseus. As for Troilus, there doesn't seem to be anything exceptional about him. He has the same problem as Paris. He thinks too much of love to be a great fighter. Cannot take his mind off of Criseyde.
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I think you have got it together quite well. However didn't Diomedes almost kill Hector twice, being prevented from doing so the first time only by Zeus, and the second time when Paris shot him in the foot? And wasn't he described by Helenus the seer as "the mightiest of the Greeks", "unrivaled in power", even above Achilles? Didn't he also beat Ajax during Patroclus' funeral games? And wounded both the god of war and the goddess of love with Athena's aid?
It's truly a pity that he was rarely mentioned in any adaptation of Troy.
Although I guess Homer himself did say that after Achilles, Ajax was the mightiest fighting man ;)
toussaintf1 Don't forget Deiphobus! He wounded Diomedes in combat and returned with his shield...
John Huang Homer praised everyone. Ajax was the mightiest because for those ages he was tall (probably 6 foot and maybe shorter). Homer mentions in a rhapsody that Ajax was the second best and sometimes mentions in another rhapsody that Hector or Diomedes were the second best.
Only Achilles as a fighter was above everyone.
toussaintf1 You forgot Memnon, who was on Achilles's level.
Green Lantern No one was on Achilles's level. Achilles's was almost at the same level as Hercules but without his strength and power.
It was not gifted immortals like Achilles , it was honorable , brave men like Hector who deserve the ultimate respect...
Yeah, no. Heracles was also immortal, yet he has done far greater feats that Hector and Achilles combined.
@@soundwavesuperior28 Hercules is a God lol
@@davide_6 He was an immortal before he was made a god.
@@soundwavesuperior28 Hercules was a son of Zeus, that's about as OP as it's possible to be in Greek mythology. Hector was just a bloke who was incredibly skilled in combat.
History goes to the victor
Ajax was not killed by Hector, and could not have been killed by him : apart from Achilles, Ajax was the only other immortal on the battle field of Troy, he could not be killed by anyone (but himself). In Homer's Iliad, Ajax at first gets the better of the encounter, wounding Hector with his spear and knocking him down with a large stone, but Hector fights on... Until the heralds, acting at the direction of Zeus, call a draw: the action ends without a winner and with the two combatants exchanging gifts, Ajax giving Hector a purple sash and Hector giving Ajax a sharp sword.
(from Wikipedia) The second fight between Ajax and Hector occurs when the latter breaks into the Mycenaean camp, and fights with the Greeks among the ships. In Book 14, Ajax throws a giant rock at Hector which almost kills him. In Book 15, Hector is restored to his strength by Apollo and returns to attack the ships. Ajax, wielding an enormous spear as a weapon and leaping from ship to ship, holds off the Trojan armies virtually single-handedly. In Book 16, Hector and Ajax duel once again. Hector is set on burning the ships, the only way he feels the Greeks will truly be defeated. Hector is able to disarm Ajax (although Ajax is not hurt) and Ajax is forced to retreat, seeing that Zeus is clearly favoring Hector. Hector and the Trojans succeed in burning one Greek ship, the culmination of an assault that almost finishes the war. Ajax is responsible for the death of many Trojans lords, including Phorcys. Ajax often fought in tandem with his brother Teucer, known for his skill with the bow. Ajax would wield his magnificent shield, as Teucer stood behind picking off enemy Trojans.
It's later, after a dispute for Achille's magical armor with Odysseus, that Ajax suicides himself (after Athena influences Agamemnon to award Achille's gear to Odysseus).
HawkFest RoG You're an idiot. Both of them were mortals. Them being "demigods" was just a myth because of how great warriors they were. However Achillies was far superior to Ajax in combat skills, therefore he could have been killed by Hector.
Lewis Nostredame I think you are confused with his understanding of this. Hawkfest probably thinks this whole story and all these characters are a myth or a fantasy - like Lord of the Rings. None of those characters - Gandalf, Frodo, Bilbo, Sauron, etc, were real. So what he's saying doesnt make him an idiot who believes that achilles and Ajax were real people who were actually immortal. I'm sure nobody is dumb enough to think that. This was just some illiad written by someone and these characters were part of it, and in this fantasy story, Ajax and Achilles were both immortal, just like in lotr, Gandalf was some kind of demigod sent from some place in the heavens to guide the people of middle earth.
Monkonmunky comparing Illias with LotR is not completely wrong but you should read Edda or Beowulf instead ;)
Lewis Nostredame , if someone has to be an idiot it would be you : this Illiad story is not «historical facts», it's a mythical romance by itself, including Achilles, Hercules, Ajax, Odysseus and such! Who made you believe that any of this Iliad story really happened?
Do you know anything about Homer? FYI he was like the Tolkien of his era (who's story was then expanded by other authors so that it spans over 3-4 era).
HawkFest RoG You're contradicting yourself completely. First you assurred that Ajax could not have been killed by Hector. Now you're assuming that not of them could've even existed. Besides that, you now change the subject to other warriors. You're an idiot.
Hectos wife is soo adorable. Too bad she got captured in the real story
And raped by the man who killed her child
LaPlume Fugace Her child(baby) was tossed from the walls of Troy
Mitsos Pon By the son of Achille, Néoptolème. and had at least 3 children with him.
LaPlume Fugace I crie evrytim
real story?
In the Illiad- AJAX actually fought MR. CLEAN, to a SPARKLING FLOOR FINISH....
made me laugh
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And on wet surfaces, a glimmer of AJAX's face can still be seen on really clean smooth non-porous finishes
The beauty of this scene is that is reveals just what a great leader Hector was. He sees a villain killing his people and he decides to take the responsibility to personality stop this villain instead of hiding at the back.
Meanwhile his disgrace of a brother is being a coward
He certainly did stop it personality…
Joe Biden incarnate
Nah it's more about strategy and less about ethics. Ajax was advancing his front and plummeting Trojan morale, Hector literally reversed both
In ancient Greek mythology, Hector did not kill Ajax, on the contrary Ajax survived the death of many and even took out the body of Achilles from Troy and gave the body to his mother for this Thetis thanked and gave the armor of Achilles to Ajax
@Tilbala Lumama why are you talking out of your ass?
Odyssey took the armor of Achilles, liar
Not quite that happened - after recovering Achilles' body, both Odysseus and Ajax argued, whom the armour shold belong to. Odysseus won with the help of Athena, who also clouded Ajax' mind, forcing him into slaughtering a lot of lifestock (whom he believed were the Achaean leaders according to some interpretations.) Shamed by this, Ajax commited suicide by his own sword. Later, when Odysseus visits the Underworld, he meets Ajax' soul and regrets about his victory, losing such a great warrior. However Ajax is still offended and won't speak to him...
@@Shagon89 perfect!
Then I guess homar was a real blind
you know someone's tough when after you stab them they break the weapon handle off and beat the shit out of you with it
And for that solely reason, he deserved to rip Hector's head off, fucking sissy pathetic trojan.
I liked King Ajax! He was bad ass! Fought to his last breath!
***** Don't get me started. I really enjoyed the movie but there were SO many things that were wrong or left out from the original story. Just the fact that King Agamemnon dies at Troy. He survived and made it back home, only to be killed by his wife and her lover. Still a cool flick!
Always like Hector in this film. A true warrior and someone who just wanted peace
That is wrong, Ajax never gets wounded in any battle.
He actually fights Hector, but the fight is stopped by the gods when the night falls, it is declared a draw, and the two men exchange gift as a sign of respect towards another.
You mean 'wrong' according to Greek scripture. Homer wrote the Illiad. And he was Greek. Hence a good degree of bias and over exaggeration
@@MrSRA13 You know this is fiction right?
And that there is no bias cause none of this ever happened
@@MrAbuse96 it's not fiction. It's Greek mythology. Big difference.
@DAVO CAMPBELL A lot of the details probably are. But mythology defines cultures. Multiple people wrote of Troy and the heroes in it and they believe they know where Troy was located now as well
@DAVO CAMPBELL 😂 the Prince comment made me chuckle
This is Robert vs Rhaegar with the opposite ending
That's what I thought.. Had to look through the comments to see if anyone commented before I ..Ajax is totally a young Robert..even the weapon of choice..size... beard..Hector though go lucky. Had that shield not been there or the spear or the sword..he wouldve lost..love the comparison though..that why I like got.. A mix of many mythology's
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They even have the same plot. Didn't both wars started because a prince stole some booty?
+ferleal24..I love that Odysseus is Sean bean..and idk his name but jeor mormont is a advisor on Troy's side..there are alot of actors in this that are or were big in thrones ...that's what i miss in thrones is a character that could be a Achilles types character..so far there are none...also...I'd love to see some Conan the barbarian story thrown in(Arnold version)...also there has only been 1 asain person on the show and there is indeed a imperial china like race east coast of essos ...you know there is some hitori hanzo level katana blades and another mythology to add to the list
holy shit hahahaha
If Achilles had fought instead of Hector
Spear in the gut? Walk it off.
More like human honey badger
+Cabhan Listis Spear in the gut? Break it in half and beat a man with it.
Followed quickly by a sword to the gut...which elicits nothing but murderous rage and attempted one-handed strangulation of the assailant.
No. Break it off and smack Hector with it.
Yep just rub some dirt on it.
I love that Hector 'Tamer of horses' protected his troops once he saw they were being outmatched.
That's what any person in charge of the army should do.
you know ur epithets
When I was a kid, I admired Achilles for obvious reasons(cool, powerful, can kill many enemies alone with ease, etc)
but as an adult, I definitely admire Hector more. There were a lot of fights where it's clearly an uphill fight, and he still marches on with no fear. Even when He knows he will die when fighting Achilles, he still confronts him.
read the actual illiad from which this is based..... all the heroes are heroes there is so much character development and intrigue. its a great book. right up there with beowulf in terms of masculine epics.
Actually Hector was running from facing Achilles and briefly entertains the delusional hope of negotiating his way out of a duel.
I've always been a Hector fan, even back then. He was just sucked into all this shit. His stupid brother was the cause for all this, then he fought someone who looked like Achilles only to find out afterwards he was not but that only raised Achilles' anger.
Hector was a successful leader, incorruptible, set aside his ego, stood on his morals and had a beautiful wife.
Achilles couldn’t be reasoned with, would (and could) kill anyone that opposed him and had three women in his bed every night.
It’s interesting our logic wants us to be the former.. but deep down… we all want to be the latter
@@hanzflackshnack1158lis l'Iliade le film ne représente pas du tous le livre, tu serais étonné.
Achille est beaucoup plus complexe
The wife is such a good actor all her facial expressions are perfect
0:26 are cameras lethal in a battlefield?
Lol
You have to pause it exactly at 0:26 to see the came at the left corner.
Ajax is a beast.
Kyle Bossman Was* ahah
Ajax is the HULK.
In the illiad the gods saved Hector from Ajax.
PSV Eindhoven : Am I joke to you
Long time after watching the movie, I understood that Hector was the noblest man in the entire saga...A man who has to face everything for the sake of his family and country... ❤️❤️
imagine Ajax vs Boargius...
Battle of the titans
Ajax vs Berghuis was last Sunday 😂
I think Ajax would win
Hands only. No weapons.
@@silverman5707 finally exactly how I love
ajax is my favourite character in the movie, he takes an arrow to the knee yet he still fights on!
Lmao
People have to play Skyrim to understand this...
DinoChook Productions You know ajax was actually not killed by hector in the books. he commited suicide whilest the greec army was winning.
Daniele Mora it's a popular game, and popular meme.
DinoChook Productions
I used to be a Greek Hero like you, once...
....then I took an arrow in the knee.
I like how the heroes are depicted in a somewhat realistic manner. Ajax, Hector of Troy, Achilles... They are humans, no magic bullshit, but they are just superior in some aspects, that could make people talk of them in such a manner that they become legend with time. Ajax is just a huge dude, I am pretty sure monsters of men like that did bring terror to battefields back then. Hector is just a strong, technical and courageous man with a lot of experience. Achille is a little OP, but maybe he could have been the mike tyson of his age. Someone who is just good at what he is doing. You see that a lot in warfare and fighting sports. Every man can fight and learn how to fight, but some people just have it in their blood
You didn't mention that Achilles had the heart of gods, how could he fought and killed hector at the wall, he single-handedly brought more fear to the Troyan much more than the whole greece Army.
This man is a beastly inhuman personalty, even his king was afraid of him
@@shepherdolumideowoh7920 I think you missed the original point. The movie goes for a more "human" depiction of the heroes, instead of the more mythological version we are accustomed to.
You can compare this movie to the graphic novel/film 300. That treated history (the battle of Thermopylae) as though it were myth. The movie Troy treats myth as though it were history.
Ajax is still better than Bleach. When bleach dies on the sand there are so many stains.
Lol
I love how it isn't over-emphasized that the people around them are watching them, the battle rages on despite these two fighting, but then when Ajax finally falls, a huge cheer erupts from the trojan soldiers. It's uplifting without being cheesy.
Did anybody know that Ajax didnt die in a battle in the Greek mythology. He killed himself with a sword after he lost achilleus armor and sword to Odysseus.
I did.
MasterMarcinko that's because he was semi immortal and could only be killed by himself
Ajax would kill Hector but at that moment the god of war (Ares) descended from the sky and protected it .. as the mythology says
I knew that.
@@the_dropbear4392 Yeah, as Ajax is the grandson of Zeus. Ajax also would jump ship from ship as he was so strong and kill the people on board each one just to do it again many times over, it's depressing however how they did him in this flim. I prefer the actual mythology. People usually mistake this one for the lesser Ajax but this is Hollywood's take on Ajax the immortal.
Hector was an inspiration and a great soldier great husband to his wife and a protector of his family!
And a fool for facing Achilles when he didn't had to
I love how this comment section is full of people with no knowledge about Ancient Greek society or the Iliad, but still want to judge the characters and the plot thinking that this film is the Iliad itself.
No, the Iliad is not about the fall of Troy, it is about Achilles' anger (as the very first line states) and the core content of the poem is the difference between Hector, who is a grown man, kills to protect his city, a good father and the true hero, and Achilles, an immature boy who likes killing for the pleasure of it and doesn't care about his son (yes, he has a son). In the end, after killing Hector, Achilles understands what it means to be a man while talking to Priam; that's the true message of the story.
Achilles is what men should be like. Hector is a weak man. The one writing this story is lame af
This ^
Bunch of liberal arts majors w/ RUclips Phd's trying to seem smart
INCORRECT The Illiad is about Héctor. Aquilles is a crybaby who only appears in five chapters, while Héctor is the man who defends his land and family. The Iliad finish with Hector's funeral. Héctor, Tamer of Horses
Oh sorry, you are right and we agree, except on what the Iliad is about
Imagine when you've trained for all those years and Ajax/Hector kills you in a second
With a big hammer no less.
Imagine training all those years just just to be killed by snipers trained to always shoot the neck
HTF are they going to imagine anything. Their dead.
All that fighting and dying....for one woman ??? I'll pass.
I was so pissed when Ajax died in this movie.
In The Illiad, Ajax doesn't die. Hollywood really butchered Homer's epic. Paris also does not escape, and Hellen is brought back to Sparta.
Hollywood and their dumb nonsense...
FOLKFIDDLER14
& we must always trust what is written in a book right?
The Trojans were defeated & then scattered. I keep on hearing over & over again in various parts of the internet that they became the Etruscan aka THE ROMANS.
Michael Groesbeck The Illiad was an epic poem written years after the fact but if Hollywood is going to do a movie based on the work, it should remain true to it. Mr. Groesbeck, I get the feeling that you are one of those people who is just a chronic arguer and likes to be contrary.
***** It lasted 10 years and Agamemnon was assasinated when he got home after the war.
I like how the Trojans shields are reminiscent of the future Romans shields as according to roman legend they descended from Prince Aeneas and survivors from Troy :D. They even mentioned it at the end of the film as well
Castlerea 12 Let me tell you that Romans kind of stole some elements from the Greeks just saying .
they're not
@@antigonus1161 So?
Romans came from the rome, originally
@@antigonus1161 they were neighbours of the greeks, and the roman's main tatics to conquer lands without rebellion is to add the conquered country's culture to their own if they resemble a lot
The best part is where he snaps the spear in his midsection and hits hector on the back with it like a naughty step child lol
That action showed Ajax's contempt for the little man trying to kill him.
Stop at 0:26 and look at the left corner
lol
Nico Flashback haha nice
"Zeus filming here, don't mind me"
well done,man!
Nico Flashback Those are the gods having fun at the expense of mortals and filming this for the ages to have the chance of reminiscing.
Ajax is such a badass in this movie. How he just snaps the spear when Hector stabs him. Like "I'm not finished with you just yet!"
The Braun Strowman of The Greeks!
@@waspinator5361 "Oh Hector... You should have realized... *I'M NOT FINISHED WITH YOU!!!!!!!!!!* "
And fucking beats hector with it. Like he was saying: BITCH ARE YOU KIDDING ME IM AJAX
He's 1000x GREATER in the actual story, he made Hector his bitch.
Then hector turns into hulk and wins the war
Link me to that alternate ending.
Battle**** he still dies by Hercules.
jamesb8488 and Hércules loses to Thor
And Ajax turns to sabertooth and ressurects
2:21 Take the wheel, I'm out!
Hector: *thrust spear into Ajax* yassss
Ajax: *breaks spear and presumes to beat hector with it*
Hector: ok time out.
Ajax was a frikking Dreadnought on that battlefield! He just wreacked havoc! Hector bárely defeated him as Ajax was just só incredibly powerful! Un-intimidable, unmatched!
Yet he took him down!
except Hector never killed Ajax
My favorite instant was when Hector blocked Ajax' attack on one of the Trojan soldiers.
2:21 Only if that arrow struck Agamemnon.
Hector had to be the best natural fighter on feild..not having a deity mother nor father and being brave and skilled enough to do combat with 3 warriors trained by the centaur chiron...patroclus, ajax and achielles
Ajax was winning in the iliad... this movie is so inaccurate
Menelaus didn't die by hector too...
+Matteus Brandt Achilies is not a homosexual in the Iliad. He was a pshychopath, tho
In the Iliad, no. Some later authors, only "suggested" that Achilies' relationship to his cousin was sexual in nature. But that's speculation and their own imagination.
True Menelaus didn't die at all and ajax killed himself after a fit of madness
+Porkeater2610957 how was he a psycho?
Read the stories and read the ajax play by sophocles
The way they choreographed this fight was excellent. The weight of that warhammer felt real and dangerous. Even for a man that big he was slow but extremely powerful. I wish hollywood still gave a shit like they used to. Unless it's Quinton or Scorsese
SUNDAY SUNDAY SUNDAY!!!
THE MOUNTAIN vs. AJAX
COMING TO A BATTLEFIELD NEAR YOU!!!
Razzy1312 I'm sorry but Ajax ismore skilled than anyone in game of thrones + his stats are greater than anyone in game of thrones bar giants of course (maybe)
He didn't die here in the mythology, but in the mythology, he was jumping from ship to ship taking on a whole fleet pretty much solo as he killed every man on a ship and then hopped to another ship in the fleet to rinse and repeat.
Ajax would shit on the mountain.
+Mix it Markus Yes it does, shut up please.
NightBot Ban It makes no sense, the iliad characters are way too strong for anyone in game of thrones, even the white walkers.
+Razzy1312 bitch please the illiad warriors could beat 50 men just by themself when got is too realistic to do that ajax was to be the hulk of the illiad this movie made him a bitch ajax was the best greek warrior after achilles in the war the montain is just a tank he don't stand a chance agains ajax
glorilol 95 50? Yeah that's a very small number, Ajax pretty much solod a fleet of ships without a ship of his own, he in the war hopped onto a ship, killed everyone, and then hopped onto another ship to while still at sea to kill that whole ship, he took out a whole fleet.
Ajax I'm pretty sure killed himself after he failed to get Achilles's armor or was tricked by odysseus, something like that, he wasn't strucken down in battle.
I never knew why I admired Hector. He was total ideal or a symbol...
Now, after many years I know - he always had something to fight for.
This is what I miss.
.
Looks like Hector knows javascript good enough to deal with AJAX
(Hector kills Ajax)
Hector: I have beaten this big warrior!! Who's next!!
Achillies: Hold my beer
Patroclus - Takes beer, drinks it, charges at Hector, dies.
Achilles - Pikachu Face :0
More like "Hold my wine"
@@MylesKillis underrated comment
Achilles sucks
Achilles is a d bag
Prince Hector, - the bravest soldier ever, - Confronted, Fought & defeated the mightiest .... only beaten by Achilles, who was protected by the gods, - he knew it, but still fought him, knowing he would be killed ... BRAVE Hector .... greatest Hero of all time ...
Full rectangle shields > fucking crescent shields
Nah, it depends. One to one combat the "crescent shield" is way better.
Jack Shephard You're right, in gladiator battles, crescent shields have a bit more versatility. Just a bit.
But not in field battles with thousands of men snuggled in tight formations.
+Girom Christian yeah exactly. Like the scene with Hector vs Achiles; such a rectangular shield would've been quite useless. But indeed, in a field battle with arrows coming at your head, I'd go with that one.
Jack Shephard Rectangular shields are most effective during urban and field warfare with heavy formations, but not against one-on-one combat in a duel. Most likely you're better off dropping your shield.
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Could have sworn that the only person who kill Ajax, was Ajax...
The movie's full of bullshit, this being just one example: Ajax survived the war and ended up committing suicide when he wasn't given Achilles armor after his death.
@@chrishargreaves8016 That was during the war though, before the fall of Troy, Achilles actually died on the battlefield, not during the sacking, as did Paris.
What a man! Hector is a man of the mission. You see he fought until the end. Great victory!🎉
Achilles was a demigod who took his craft very seriously, though he was literally *given* all of his skills.
Hector was a true hero.
Hector got it out of the dirt.
Good point mate
Hector was a coward
@@lightningrain3114 And you are repetitive. Plus, actually, he was not a coward. Ignorance is bliss!
@@lightningrain3114 You can't have best of the courage without a feelings which give it a powerful fuel to let it last more.
How one can become great without a flaws or a sacrifice?
Achilles was also a true hero. Talent without skill is nothing - Achilles was gifted as an immortal, but he was also the greatest warrior of the Trojan War.
Being immortal in Greek mythology did not inherently mean you were extremely strong. For most heroes such as Heracles, it was in fact the bloodline of the gods that gave them both immortality and strength. However, immortality did not inherently mean they were superior to the rest - Theseus, despite being immortal due to being the son of Poseidon, nonetheless had to make heavy efforts to even hold a candle to Heracles. And even then, he was so far away from ever being as great.
When Homer wrote this, Ajax was not beaten nor killed by Hector. Ajax killed himself because Diomedes was chosen to fight Hector. Actually, Diomedes also had beaten Hector.
@George Dunn You are correct. I Wasn't saying that they didn't fight. I was saying that Hector wasn't a better warrior than Ajax or Diomedes.
"La locura de Ayax", "the Ajax madness", is a beautiful mithological reflexion about the madness sought with ancient eyes, like the theatre play "Hercules furens" by Seneca. La locura se va presentando como infundida por los dioses, además de los típicos pecados que castigaban los griegos en las obras, como la soberbia en Aracne. Y así vamos pasando a la locura del mundo descrita en "Elogio de la locura" "Stultitiae laus" de Erasmo de Rotterdan y podemos ver luego a don Quijote atacando rebaños como hizo Ayax. Y se cierra el ciclo.
So beautiful the literature!
To be or not too beer.
Too much sanity may be madness - and maddest of all: to see life as it is, and not as it should be!
Dale Wasserman, Man of La Mancha
@George Dunn Didn't he not kill himself because he lost a duel with Oddyseus over Achilles armour in shame? Achilles being dead at this point.
Hector could. Cristiano couldn't... RIP Juve
Hahaha 😂
1:57 Hector's like "Is he a human ? Can he die ?"
Lmao
Not gonna lie, if I got someone like that and he still kept coming, I would start freaking out too.
Shirou Kotomine He kept coming though.
Hector was way better than Achilles. If Achilles was a regular human, not protected by divine magic, Hector would beat him.
In that iliad stuff Ajax kills himself after he dishonors himself.
...so this is just Hollywood rewriting Homer.
Homer's name will live when Hollywood is long forgotten.
Ajax’s sheer Will was insane. That pure rage just looks so amazing when he breaks the spear shaft.
"Troyjan war never happened" False
Their was a city called Troy that existed in that spot on land in Asia minor..We also know their was a falling out between Micenia and other nations and a war broke out....Meaning there was a war Homer was basing it off...
However these characters were likely passed on by soldiers in the war then passed down by generations leading to them becoming Embodiments of bad-asses e.g Ajax and Achilies
As for Helen it is possible she is a metaphore for whatever Troy did to trigger the war...
Actually do some research before you dismiss this stuff
yes there was a city who is presumed to be troy but the war can never ever happened like homer described him his entire story is just a big fanfiction.
No there was a city refered to as troy and their was a war,Sure it was exaggerated but technically all history is
Ned Stark's severed Head it was sure more than exaggerated a bit the entire part with the gods involved is fiction.
No shit
Troy never fought the Greeks but enemys like the Hittites. The war between Greece and Troy was just written in a book called Iliad. Achilles, Ajax, Helen, The Trojan horse etc. are all fictional.
Hector was Great..achillies was nothing in compared to him...
Didn't any greek figure out that with some well placed arrows, you could take out some of Troy's leaders? They were standing there and watching the fight like it was a football match.
Possibility to kill the friendly
The Trojan army is being portayed as disciplined and almost professional, while the Greeks are presented as less coordinated. There's also the instinct towards heroic duels present in both.
What if all troyans stand the walls and use only archery.
@@kbonh22 they hired people from other cities to fight like skirmishers
and this era is way before the martialized sparta that you refer
Speaking from experience in the Marine Corps, the last thing anybody wants is someone shooting over their head in a high pressure situation