I 💚 Oregon, but we have waaay too many socialists in the government. I don't think we'll get any ridiculous gun control laws soon, except in Portland. Everything is "except in Portland" because that's where we keep our unacceptables.
I live in Oregon and I will agree with you 100% but this shithole state is not the only one going to step up and you can bet there will be more than a third of this counties states that are going to fall for this ignorance!
You are totally correct on that. Going from Barstow to State Line on a late Friday night is like the Oklahoma Land Rush, but with cars instead of horse drawn wagons. You would think Vegas was about to close, and those fools were trying to get there before it happened.
Yeah, and private companies stepped up to do it, because they actually realize the profits in it for them. Even if the governments did build a Las Vegas to LA line, it will still be years behind, over budget, and take some stupid route. Virgin Trains USA is doing a much better job. In reality, why do we pay ticket prices for stuff we already paid through taxes to subsidize. Like you're literally paying for it twice.
I live in Merced. Theres nothing here but homeless, broken down buildings and agriculture. If you want to drive a high speed rail to pick tomatoes, be my guest.
ArtRoomProductions I have fellow electricians that commute from Merced to Silicon Valley they should finish this train It will Access to good pay for people living in Merced
That's like the millions that was spent on an "express bus" in Illinois on the tollway between a few suburbs. Less than 400 people per day use it, mostly domestic workers going to clean houses.
high speed rail works just fine in Japan and China but everything must be perfect. the speed, the ticket prices, the total stops, demand, and population density all must be within a certain range or it will fail. California should have contracted out the Japanese and started with a trial run from Frisco to Sacremento or LA to San Diego. let people experience a working profitable sample with minimal risk. instead California tries to do it on their own and wants it to go from LA to Frisco at an enormous cost to the tax payer.
@@sashingopaul3111 Ummm... I think you missed the sarcasm, and consequently the joke. And to answer your question / comment, high-speed rail from San Francisco to Los Angeles MIGHT be viable if there were no stops in between. But we all know how California politics are. Every little berg in between the two would want their own stop. Just like what happened in the Central Valley. That doesn't sound like High-Speed Rail transportation to me.
@Craig F. Thompson There's nothing wrong with the idea. I just don't think it will be useful and worthwhile. Certainly not as much as additional water storage/hydro-electric projects
@@kzanderardenflaas2238 You don't think there is "anything wrong with the idea" of a bullet train, but state that it will "not be useful and worthwhile". THAT IS WHAT MAKES IT WRONG. IT IS WORTHLESS AND UNUSEFUL.
Monorail Monorail I heard those things are awfully loud It glides as softly as a cloud Is there and chance the track could bend? Not on your life my Mexican friend What about us brain-dead slobs? You’ll be given political jobs
"Some of the poorest parts of the United States are in the central valley". It's because California's people getted taxed the shit out of and their rents are upscaled.
Not how that works. Poor people don't pay taxes in any significant amount, and their rents are quite often subsidized. Once you factor in social welfare programs, until you make above the average wage, your net contribution to taxes is negative.
@@Meton2526 The cost of living in most of these states with heavy progressive policies is largely due to heavy taxation and welfare states like those social programs. I grew up in poverty, so I understand what you mean, but those factors lead to a crippled middle class.
Actually most of the very poor people in the Central Valley are illegal aliens who can't speak English and will work for anything. They are just the kind of people the limousine liberals want to repopulate the once Golden State.
I live in Ohio. Despite the majority of the counties being conservative/republican, the counties with the large cities are a mess and very democrat controlled. There has been talk of a high speed rail between Cincinnati and Cleveland and going thru Columbus for decades. Luckily no action taken. Cincinnati did approve a light rail system a few years ago that is a mess. One coucil member that said he would vote against it if elected, got elected, then cast the deciding vote FOR it. A few years have gone by and he now says he regrets voting for it, seeing what a boondoggle it is. But it's on the books for a 30 year commitment.
This high speed rail would cost over $100 billion to go less than 200 mph. Most expensive track per mile. It’s a farce, but yea keep calling it the “smart” thing to do. Idiots
@@MrWatchmen759 "if only civil engineers did this project" Funded by private investors and without subsidized highway and air competition. Like 150 years ago.
Ironically, California is the one place I favor a 70% tax on the rich. Hollywood makes billions of dollars every year, but they have all sorts of tax loopholes to get out of paying anywhere near that much.
Sounded like a cool idea back when they voted on it. 10 or so years later after getting a civil engineering degree I find out the entire thing is being built as one long ass bridge and realize how absurdly expensive it is for the application.
Not just economically though but also environmentally. I haven't run the numbers but just in principle the amount of cement required to build a bridge 160 miles long (let alone the full length: approx. 500 miles) Would mean purging the CO2 from CaCO3 in quantities that more than compensate a lot of the displaced car emissions. See the most recently uploaded 'minute earth' video as of this comment's post date for an expanation on the fossil carbon impact of cement used in concrete.
Construction industry uses tremendous amounts of energy, talk about your carbon footprint, a giant abandoned half finished boondoggle project that just caused the oceans to rise two feet on its own, way to gov Moonbeam,
If you look at the video "EcoTechnoPark: Installation of Trusses" you will see a type of track that can support high speed vehicles provided enough running distance. A similar system is being built at the SkyWay Innovation Center in UAE which will be scaled up for transport vehicles up to 300 passengers. Look at the corresponding videos and imagine a system of rail overpasses (pretensioned trusses with stressed steel cables and injected concrete inside) that carry several times its own weight and costs several times less than the overweight land whale currently being built in Central Valley.
Liberals: we need to change the world! Also liberals: Gonna cost 90 billion and take 30 years to build a slow moving train that reaches 1/4 of the state..
I heard a guy on the radio say he did the math, and the current population traveling from these two locations could be “given” homes in both cities for the same price as building a SECOND slow train to these locations.
"We care about poor people, but we're going to knock down their houses to build a luxury rail line to connect the two wealthiest regions of the state so that they don't have to fly."
Removing pressures of living in the city could decrease the cost of living for people who can't afford the skyrocketing prices for highly demanded housing. Trains are significantly faster than cars and compared to planes are much cheaper and have far less hassle.
@dragonhold4 - That's like saying we should buy a handful of rich people a bunch of cashmere coats, since that will take demand off the regular coat market and make things a bit easier for poor people.
Thompson the interstate system was designed for 2 reasons, 1. to move military troops and supplies around the country. And 2. To move civilian commerce. It wasn't long after that before cars started taking over. Because cars can do something trains can't do, that's take people to their exact destination and without a wait. Why do you think AOC opted to use uber instead of the subway during her campaign?
@@shanewillbur1325 You mean the country that simply stole peoples' property with no due process to place unprofitable rail lines that are going bankrupt in place?
I don't think Brown considered airplanes. A flight from SFO to LAX is faster and cheaper than the train. There's also this little known road called the I-5.
Airplanes have high polluting emissions. Airports are a pain to get in and out of. The speed of a train is only because we didn't build high speed ones. I-5 is often a little busy around cities. That said, the problem isn't that high speed trains are bad, just that government shouldn't design, build and operate them. Just as government builds airports, they don't build and operate the planes. In fact, air traffic control and TSA are their two main tyrannies, and they mess up both of them.
Will Napolitano Im totally fine with this if: we went all in. Build out helipad parking garages. Have a fast track low cost licensing for automated passenger drones & personal aircraft. Bring back the Concorde & make it legal to fly over the USA again. Be more accepting of air development. Restructure the FAA to enable “rules of the sky” since we will have tons more people flying in the air. That would be great, and cheaper than rail.
@@homewall744 I agree. We need a other Vanderbilt to do this. As for planes, there is clearly demand for cleaner and more efficient planes. If the government would stop with all the subsidies to companies like Boeing, there'd be new competition and we'd get better planes.
@Lance Clemings - Seattle City Council is an absolute joke. Living in Seattle for a long time, I've seen all of the changes. Seattle was a great place to be in the 90s. But, maybe it's because I was in college, plus young and careless 😁
They need to do the train that goes from Anaheim to Las Vegas I've been hearing about this for 30 years and the problem has always been the desert tortoise. Las Vegas even said 30 years ago that they would build the most beautiful high-speed bullet train station in the center of Las Vegas and they would build the rail all the way from the nevada-california border all the way into Las Vegas at no charge to California they were not even going to require one penny of money to complete the rail all that California had to do is bring the rail from Anaheim all the way to the border of California and Nevada and this has never happened and will never happen
@William Hutchinson I'm all for the desert tortoise I love Turtles and I love tortoise and I think some of the money that is for the high-speed train across the desert from Anaheim to Las Vegas should go to create a tortoise Sanctuary I really do feel that I would spend 10 million dollars on the desert tortoise but how is 10 million dollars in any way going to stop the construction of the high-speed train which is in the billions of dollars say 2 billion dollars to build his train and I'm gladly going to put at least 10 million or even 15 million dollars to make a sanctuary and a habitat for the desert tortoise
@Hans No I really don't believe that argument that you just made because it's kind of like the marijuana argument that if they legalize marijuana than more people are going to start smoking marijuana and I don't believe that's true I think whoever is already smoking marijuana is going to continue to smoke marijuana whether it's legal or not so to counter your argument I think people that go to Vegas are still going to go to Vegas no matter what and the people that gamble in California at the Indian casinos are going to stay here because there's already free buses that go back and forth between Las Vegas and Orange County I know there's one that picks people up just two or three miles from my house
@Hans I agree with you I don't think that Las Vegas really means a whole lot to California but from the point of view of Las Vegas,... California is like a gold mine because every single weekend you get about 10,000 people from Los Angeles going to Las Vegas and I'm sure you know about the women that go over there from Orange County and they do like weekend prostitution in Las Vegas with all the guys going over there every weekend I mean it's a big business and all this weekend prostitution is happening over there in Las Vegas well to Las Vegas it's a big deal because just on a Friday night and a Saturday night there probably bringing in you know a hundred million dollars That's why if you get a hotel room on a Sunday night all the way to Thursday night that same hotel room is like 20 bucks but if you go there on a Friday night or Saturday night that hotel room might be $190 so I'm just saying from my point of view since I'm retired and I want to go to Las Vegas but I don't want to drive over there but maybe I wanted a drink or you know do something else so I'd rather just take the bullet train at only going to take 45 minutes to get there in 45 minutes to get back and I might even get a comp from a hotel to pay for my bullet train to go there and the comp will pay for my bullet train to come home so that I can just uber back to my house so I'm really just thinking about my own selfish desires.... peace brother
@@TheHigherVoltage Do you think that the car industry and the oil industry are trying to put a stop to the high-speed rail or do you think it's something else
I'm a conservative, but sorry that the US cannot build HSR lines. Not sure the California line was the best choice, but think HSR would be a winner in the East Coast with a high population density. I lived in Asia for several years had have seen how successful they can be. It is true the the US has some unique issues and it is not viable in most of the US. However, I see this as an example of the US's inability to to do anything efficiently any more, being more concerned with bureaucracy and negative politics than getting anything done. Japan, China, Korea, and Taiwan all have greats HSR lines, and yes they all have a very high population density, but the US has now become so bloated and out of shape they can't even address improved infrastructure.
"In Europe, 80% of people drive to work." Citation needed! www.citylab.com/transportation/2017/10/riding-bikes-buses-trains-in-european-cities/543141/ If you filter to big cities (where the vast majority of the population/work is), you even have 49% of people using public transit.
If y’all wanna see how a High Speed Rail should have done, you should go to Florida or Texas. These are 100% private fund, and most importantly, Florida’s Brightline get the project up and running on time. So you can assure that not a single penny of your precious taxpayer’s dollars were spent while the government dumps more money onto 12-lane highways that spans 2 football fields wide.
Investing tons of money on a train that goes to the middle of nowhere when that money could have been used to fix the god damn roads here in California. Smh for the people who voted NO for prop 6😔
Craig F. Thompson it’s interesting you say that, and I agree in general. Unfortunately it often goes the other way. Much of the taxes motorists pay - and many other taxes - go to trains, buses, bike lanes, bike paths, and more that have nothing to do with building and maintaining roads for motorists. For example, when the Bay Bridge toll was raised to $5, the articles I read said only about $1 was for bridge maintenance. The rest was for trains, ferries, and other modes of transportation. Undoubtedly there are other taxes and fees that have nothing to do with motoring and have bits taken for motoring, such as subsidies for electric cars. My bet is most motorists pay for much more than they’re getting.
@@brookeking8559 This is wrong, highways do not pay for themselves, the state invests billions to keep highways afloat on top of the money motorist pay every year for their registration, but cities see major benefits to their society and economies from having working infrastructure, so they are willing to pay. And seeing as they are willing to pay billions to keep roads working, it only makes sense to pay billions to have working public transport that reduces the use of those same highways and thus the maintenance costs they are already paying for. But by all means, let the state stop subsidizing highways and let the free market figure it out, then we will all move to Canada because it will cost an arm and a leg to go anywhere in the US. Much freedom, such wow.
… Many people don’t realize how big the country is, and they certainly don’t seem to realize just how big Texas is. When I was an installation quality auditor, an engineer at headquarters in Chicago; who apparently never left the city limits; asked me if I could quickly “run over to El Paso” And see how the progress on an installation was going… Austin-El Paso; both in Texas… Makes sense, right? I’m like- Dude, .. your man in Phoenix can get there faster than I can… He says what are you talking about? I said ..uh it’s 600 miles from here to El Paso, Hoss ...It’s in a different freaking time zone. It would take me eight hours if I drove without stopping to get there. Your man in Phoenix can drive there in about six hours. Silence. He thinks one of us is nuts, and not at all sure which one it is… LOL seriously, people just don’t realize.
Kenneth Vaughan and Austin is near the center of Texas. California is huge, too. The US is huge. People in urban areas or northeastern states just don’t appreciate it. I don’t know if it’s still true since the completion of the Interstate system and also many toll roads in Florida, but when I was a kid, it was a longer drive from Pensacola to Key West than from Pensacola to Chicago.
"People knew this was an incredibly stupid boondoggle and of course what's going to be interesting is any other state going to be as stupid as we are?" New York: "Hold my beer."
Kotnin makes some really good points about the US and European train comparisons. However, high-speed trains do have a purpose. They're just not the transportation panacea that some politicians paint them as. They are an effective means for travel between principal metro areas within a megalopolis. Where each principal city on the line should be give or take 100-200 miles apart. It's been executed pretty horrendously, but an example of this would be the Acela on the Northeast Corridor between Boston, NYC, Philly, Baltimore, and DC. Within a Neighborhood: walk/car Within a City: car/commuter rail or express bus/public transport (bus or train depending on density) Within a Megaopolis: car/regional jets/high-speed rail Between Megaregions: short-medium haul jets
If anybody's cities were built around railway stations, it was ours. Economic life was so fragile in the 19th century, especially west of the Mississippi, that entire towns would simply be abandoned if the railroad passed them by.
This project is nuts! Los Angeles to San Diego is the busiest railway outside of the Northeast Corridor and is a perfect line to upgrade and electrify. Double track the whole line, straighten it out where the cost is reasonable, electrify it at 25kV AC 60Hz and buy trains similar to the Caltrain order. These trains will get people out of their cars and they will make money.
The governor of Florida declined the federal bribe for "high speed rail" between Tampa and Orlando. It's a one hour drive, and they were going to shorten the travel time by fifteen minutes, according to Bill Nelson. He didn't mention the travel time to and from the stations. He also didn't want to acknowledge who would have to pay for it after the one time federal bribe dried up. He didn't like my response to his propaganda email.
@@pedrokantor3997 I don't get the train idea at all. Who would spend 5 times as much money as an airline ticket then sit in a train for 7 times as long?
@@lynndragoman2454 It's not about convenience or efficiency, it's about some environmentalists feeling good about fighting "muh climate change" while in reality some contractors are getting enriched with taxpayer dollars.
I never understood why the idea of a railway, high speed or not, between northern Los Angeles and Las Vegas never gained any traction. Mostly empty desert much of the way, meaning far less in eminent domain problems, and every Friday there is a crush of traffic to Vegas, and every Sunday night, back to L.A. It doesn't make it a good idea, but it would have been lightyears ahead of Bakersfield to Merced. What's next? A train between Victorville and Barstow?
Im on board if its better. What would that look like? Admittedly I’m a little jaded since the internet companies couldn’t connect the country to fiber even when given money to do so. If there is a way to pull this off privately and with accountability, I’m all for it.
Yeah, let's have all roads be privately owned toll roads. In fact, I should own the road in front of my house so that I can charge people who want to drive from one side of my house to the other. That makes fucking perfect sense.
LA's homeless are really disappointed, they were promised by the governor they could poop 💩 in San Francisco and be back at the LA Rescue Mission for dinner cocktails...🍸
AOC reminds me of episode of "Beverly Hillbillies", Jethro had a wild idea to help someone and Jed told him "Boy, your heart is in the right place, but your mind is a million miles away".
I live in central California and that train was supposed to run right thru the town... between fresno and merced ... they took 100 houses and businesses out... bulldozers leveled the land and now there going to pull the f$### plug....😒
Something has to be done. We can’t keep expanding highways due to capacity because it will be a never ending task. I think the high speed rail is a great project. The idea of getting on a train and go from center city to center city is a great concept. We can’t keep building highways and adding more planes in the sky. We need to invest more money in our transportation infrastructure before it’s too late.
You’re right they need to finish it It’s kind of funny we can give $1 trillion in tax cut to the already rich spent trillions On wars for the oil companies but we can’t build the high speed rail we used to do things like this I fly 30 times a year between San Jose and Burbank in a 15 to 20-year-old plane ,how dose that makes sense
Only country where high speed trains are working, is Japan. We have a mess here with our railway, it’s damn expensive and in all Europe it’s not profitable.
The Green New Deal proposal sounds like something brought up in an elementary school class. So naive and lacking in understanding of the systems it wanted to transform, I wanted to laugh but then I noticed that there are many people who don't see much wrong with it. Sounds as insane as what Mao did with his senseless battle against nature in China. This is an interview of a Cultural Revolution survivor who recounts some of the unbelievable projects Mao forced the people to do to fight nature amid horrible mass starvation: ruclips.net/video/pP5gKE36oR4/видео.html
The so-called Green New Deal might be the economic equivalent of a mixed metaphor. (Reread George Orwell's essay "Politics and the English Language" to refresh your memory on not only what's wrong with mixed metaphors but with those who employ them.)
First, flying is painful under the tyranny of the TSA, with airlines telling you to arrive 1-2 hours ahead, plus you have to get in and out of the airports used. Second, a plane is unlikely to have low emissions anytime soon, whereas a train could use green energy. Of course, in this instance, rather than free markets creating the train alternative, it's central planning by folks who know nothing about trains or economics. So the result is wasteful spending, service that few want.
TSA should be fired and a private, more practical company could take its place. Harassing people and being ineffective at one's job should equal termination. CIA stop scaring people with inflated terror reports
Nothing will stop TSA style shit from creeping in to "high speed rail" or anything else. One thing Amtrak deserves credit for is having their own police chief shitcan ideas of bringing the TSA in.
The amount of concrete needed to build a high speed rail in north America will produce more emissions than air travel will in 40 years of service. It's not really that green.
You have to wonder how many trains will make the Bakersfield to Merced run daily, will they limit it to one to cut down on the subsidies from the state or will they simp,y run trains every hour to make it seem as if there is much going on even if the trains are empty? The worst argument in the world is "Gee we have sunk so much money into this we can just leave it unfinished" .Shut down all construction until the private investment shows up. There is no other way to insure that more and more tax is wasted, Somebody is going to have to find millions to keep this little insignificant route operating. How much can the get people to pay for a ride to Bakersfield from Fresno? No longer can Union jobs be brought up as a positive?
Jerry Brown deserves to be in a 4 by 9 the rest of his miserable pathetic life for uprooting and destroying the lives of so many legacy property owners in the Central Valley
Where in my comment do you find ANY!!! mention of Eisenhower and whatever opinion I may hold about the interstate system .. if what you post there is YOUR opinion than so be it; don't put words in MY mouth. Right here I'm commenting strictly and solely on the CA high speed rail project and JERRY BROWN'S role in it
The cities in Europe were built a few decades ago. Can you think of an event in Europe in the 1940s that may have made them need to start over from scratch? Think about it for a second. Are you really this stupid, Andreas?
Q B Uh yeah, because every city in Europe was completely destroyed in 1940 smh. Most European cities have a history that goes back several hundred years and a couple cities have a history of several thousand years. The reason why Europe has more trains is because the population density is a lot higher and the cities are closer together than in the US. Most train companies are also subsidized by the countries because barely any train company who transport people is profitable
@Freud You are right not all of it was destroyed; but thanks to the US and the Marshall Plan, Western Europe as a whole was heavily modernized. Yes there are still many small towns in Europe that have no rail system. They are beautiful places to visit if not a bit antiquated; I don’t think I could live in one but nice to visit. Those people drive to towns that have rail if they don’t work locally or work from home.
Craig F. Thompson I’m not exactly an expert on this topic but the way they are subsidized is quite different (as far as I understand) Please correct me if I’m wrong but how is air traffic directly subsidized? They don’t have to pay fuel taxes and a tax that isn’t applied is therefore not a substitute. Cars have to pay fuel taxes and taxes to use public roads. Car drivers pay with those taxes for the roads and their maintenance. Car drivers also subsidize about 50% of the public train transportation with their taxes (in my country) So, how are car drivers subsidized? Trains and buses are important and can actually be profitable on certain routes but they are obligated to also service unprofitable routes (and that makes sense for the public interest) Stupid useless projects like that in the video don’t help anyone and because this single unprofitable route isn’t subsidized by the train company with profitable routes the deficit is in no reasonable relation with the usefulness of the project. The goal for public transportation is to make a small profit or at least don’t make a huge deficit for the taxpayers
Craig F. Thompson that’s not true. Building highspeed railway costs more tax dollars than you buying plane tickets between cities within california. Look at the tax figure stated in the video.
Craig F. Thompson where do you think government gets the money for subsidizing? So the fix to that is to spend more tax money on highspeed railways? Who do you think pays for that?
Now, now what about the bonds that were sold for this. They were supposed to be paid for with fares. That was never going to going to happen. Now it's admitted.
Most American cities were built with trains being a key consideration, along with water ports. We just dismantled ours when cars and planes came along.
@Random Pickle "European cities maintain extensive rail networks and take them into account in city planning" They weren't built around railroads though, 400+ years ago. They developed originally without much planning at all, around walking, which is why most old cities that weren't "replanned" like part of Paris are so condense. Then the second World War led to more replanning.
In 2035: The multi-billion railway project from Merced to Bakersfield is finally completed. Because only very few people need to travel, a lonely train goes down the tracks probably once per day. If you add up the total costs of the project, it would have been cheaper to buy everyone in the region of Merced and Bakersfield a car. (I estimate the total costs of the railway to be at $30,000,000,000, without knowing how I got there. Just like a Californian Democrat. Divide this by one million people, and you get $30,000 per capita) In 2040: A grammar school class from Merced visits Fresno by train. The teacher tells them how vital it is for everyone to have a railway... And so, the circle begins.
This overlooks one thing that HSR in CA would do--free up gate slots at multiple airports for flights outside of CA. It's not difficult to get around CA, but airports are becoming increasingly capped on space and gate slots.
"If you like need to drive crime down you like go to Congress where you work and you like tell your boss Nancy Pigliosi to like pass a bill making crime illegal and to give everyone like free money and then everyone gets together and each then like says yey and nay and then you like pass it and then everything is like solved" -Alexandria Chiquita-Kruschev, the foremost intellectual and thinker in the United States
Realistically, high speed trains aren't a bad idea of they're limited to a heavily urbanized area like the northeast. California should instead invest in trains within the san francisco/ los angeles areas but leave connecting the two cities by plane.
Although being a train buff I do have doubts about the viability of this plan. But Joel Kotkin has pretty poor arguments to make his case against CHSR. He is right mentioning European cities are often between 200 and 400 years old. And often even older, but what has this got to do with rail traffic. And than he claims the cities were build around the railways/stations. Well, we are about to celebrate the second centenary of the railways. I identify two major challenges for (high speed) rail travel in the US: 1. low population density and 2. dominance of car and plane travel. Obviously there is little point to span the Midwest by train (even I got a bit bored with the unchanging view). However, the case for Californië does compare in an interesting way to Europe. Even if nobody wants to get on or off the train in the Central Valley there is a huge volume of travel between LA and SF. Perhaps this distance is a bit greater than Paris-Lyon and Madrid-Barcelona (where air travel lost a huge market share) but still there is a strong case to be made. Plus, it makes huge ecological sense and ultimately making space for cars is a dead end. Perhaps you have space (not in build up areas), but costs will become prohibitive and not to mention pollution. Do the sums and be bold.
In the era of e-mail, Skype, FedEx and DocuSign, the need for business travel is vanishing. It's only politicians who think they need to travel to communicate.
"Is any other state going to be as stupid as we are". Oregon steps forward.
I 💚 Oregon, but we have waaay too many socialists in the government. I don't think we'll get any ridiculous gun control laws soon, except in Portland. Everything is "except in Portland" because that's where we keep our unacceptables.
Hold my beer!!!
Facepalm😒
Don't you mean "hold my artisan crafted microbrew IPA"? I swear to God all we have is IPAs. It's difficult to find a decent stout here.
Equal parts true and hilarious!
I live in Oregon and I will agree with you 100% but this shithole state is not the only one going to step up and you can bet there will be more than a third of this counties states that are going to fall for this ignorance!
_"The real battle in the Democratic Party is between reality and fantasy."_
kstock amen
@Orn Gorn a malignant fantasy
Not a problem. The NY SHE wizard of OX to the rescue. The carbon tax will pay for everything. Oh, that has already been allocated.
I bet you that if someone actualy finishes building that train CA will get a population drop in millions.
*"The real battle in the Republican Party is between conservative values and fascism."*
They should of aimed at a high speed train from LA to Vegas. That would of paid for itself in no time. That traffic is ridiculous every weekend.
You are totally correct on that. Going from Barstow to State Line on a late Friday night is like the Oklahoma Land Rush, but with cars instead of horse drawn wagons. You would think Vegas was about to close, and those fools were trying to get there before it happened.
Yeah that is part of brightline in Florida
The State of Nevada would of helped with the funding of the project for sure.
@@timothykwong8224 No, they are controlled so far by the mob. That makes money on oil and highways.
Yeah, and private companies stepped up to do it, because they actually realize the profits in it for them. Even if the governments did build a Las Vegas to LA line, it will still be years behind, over budget, and take some stupid route. Virgin Trains USA is doing a much better job. In reality, why do we pay ticket prices for stuff we already paid through taxes to subsidize. Like you're literally paying for it twice.
I live in Merced. Theres nothing here but homeless, broken down buildings and agriculture. If you want to drive a high speed rail to pick tomatoes, be my guest.
ArtRoomProductions I have fellow electricians that commute from Merced to Silicon Valley
they should finish this train It will Access to good pay for people living in Merced
If the train comes, those broken down buildings might just go up in value, and there might be more people and opportunities in Merced.
That's like the millions that was spent on an "express bus" in Illinois on the tollway between a few suburbs. Less than 400 people per day use it, mostly domestic workers going to clean houses.
@@peterpan8263 Will the electricians be able to bring their work vans on the train?
@@peterpan8263 this comment is different, how did you manage that?
I think I can...I think I can...I think I can...
I guess I can't.
Not his money what does he care?
Brown's words remind me of "Brophy " from Mel Brook's "High Anxiety" ...."I got it...I got it ...I got it.......I ain't got it"
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high speed rail works just fine in Japan and China but everything must be perfect.
the speed, the ticket prices, the total stops, demand, and population density all must be within a certain range or it will fail.
California should have contracted out the Japanese and started with a trial run from Frisco to Sacremento or LA to San Diego. let people experience a working profitable sample with minimal risk.
instead California tries to do it on their own and wants it to go from LA to Frisco at an enormous cost to the tax payer.
Reminds me of the Simpson’s Monorail episode.
BAKERSFIELD TO MERCED......Most efficient Methamphetamine transportation EVER.
Kzander Ardenflaas why not LA and San Diego? Two large cities where high-speed rail would be viable.
@@sashingopaul3111 Ummm... I think you missed the sarcasm, and consequently the joke.
And to answer your question / comment, high-speed rail from San Francisco to Los Angeles MIGHT be viable if there were no stops in between. But we all know how California politics are. Every little berg in between the two would want their own stop. Just like what happened in the Central Valley. That doesn't sound like High-Speed Rail transportation to me.
Yea, you Meth reference went right over Sashin's head like a flock of geese.
@Craig F. Thompson There's nothing wrong with the idea. I just don't think it will be useful and worthwhile. Certainly not as much as additional water storage/hydro-electric projects
@@kzanderardenflaas2238 You don't think there is "anything wrong with the idea" of a bullet train, but state that it will "not be useful and worthwhile". THAT IS WHAT MAKES IT WRONG. IT IS WORTHLESS AND UNUSEFUL.
I've sold monorails to Brockway, Ogdenville, and North Haverbrook, and by gum, it put them on the map.
Mono...doh!
MMMMM monorailll.............DOH!
But main street is still cracked and broken
Sorry Marge the mob has spoken
Monorail
Monorail
I heard those things are awfully loud
It glides as softly as a cloud
Is there and chance the track could bend?
Not on your life my Mexican friend
What about us brain-dead slobs?
You’ll be given political jobs
In fairness, we would have no idea what you were talking about if he was wrong.
"Some of the poorest parts of the United States are in the central valley".
It's because California's people getted taxed the shit out of and their rents are upscaled.
Not how that works. Poor people don't pay taxes in any significant amount, and their rents are quite often subsidized. Once you factor in social welfare programs, until you make above the average wage, your net contribution to taxes is negative.
@@Meton2526 The cost of living in most of these states with heavy progressive policies is largely due to heavy taxation and welfare states like those social programs. I grew up in poverty, so I understand what you mean, but those factors lead to a crippled middle class.
Actually most of the very poor people in the Central Valley are illegal aliens who can't speak English and will work for anything. They are just the kind of people the limousine liberals want to repopulate the once Golden State.
@@Meton2526 you pay tax when you buy gas, buy food and just about everything else in California. You don’t get that money back at the end of the year.
"Is any other state going to be as stupid as we are?"
Unfortunately, that answer is always YES
I hope it's Hawaii.
As long as Oregon is in the union
Illinois is right behind you brother.....
I live in Ohio. Despite the majority of the counties being conservative/republican, the counties with the large cities are a mess and very democrat controlled. There has been talk of a high speed rail between Cincinnati and Cleveland and going thru Columbus for decades. Luckily no action taken. Cincinnati did approve a light rail system a few years ago that is a mess. One coucil member that said he would vote against it if elected, got elected, then cast the deciding vote FOR it. A few years have gone by and he now says he regrets voting for it, seeing what a boondoggle it is. But it's on the books for a 30 year commitment.
I live CA... that shaking is not an earthquake, it is my head shaking from another CA disaster. Should have never been started. Not practical.
"Is any state going to be as stupid as we are?"
Illinois: Hold my beer.
NYC beats them all.
Illinois. Take out Chicago and you have a beautiful, bountiful State.
Sanj Mohip how dare you call Illinois stupid! Chicago is the stupid ones!!
@@daraptor5281 Along with Springfield.
Yep. The government loves to spend your money on stupid stuff. 😉
The Democrats like to spend our money in general ... they flew to Africa for that concert on our dime 👈
Like a wall on the southern border.
"stupid stuff" high speed rails improved the economy of Nations and you call them stupid stuff.
Classic Americans...
@Scooters Videos This is a libertarian based media outlet
This high speed rail would cost over $100 billion to go less than 200 mph. Most expensive track per mile. It’s a farce, but yea keep calling it the “smart” thing to do. Idiots
What absolute fail that project was. I’m starting to be convinced nothing runs right in California it just looks good on the outside.
We should have connected major population centers like LA, San Diego, San Fransisco and the beach area.
hackman669 if only civil engineers did this project
Have you ever seen the movie Brazil? I bought it but haven't watched it yet.
@@MrWatchmen759 "if only civil engineers did this project"
Funded by private investors and without subsidized highway and air competition. Like 150 years ago.
Ironically, California is the one place I favor a 70% tax on the rich. Hollywood makes billions of dollars every year, but they have all sorts of tax loopholes to get out of paying anywhere near that much.
Why should the people be forced to pay for the vanity projects of politicians?
Libertopa EurekanAnarch Roads should be considered a vanity project. There not designed to make a profit.
Only a state whose governor had the nickname, "Moonbeam" would be dumb enough to get involved with a folly like this.
You haven't heard the latest. When Gavin Newsom was Mayer of Frisco he was a big-time supporter of Guy Marriage, so we call him "Any twosome Newsom".
I bet you even the people who are advocating this train wouldnt use it to commute to work
We have trains like that on the east coast and I will use them for travel whenever possible.
They don’t even live in Merced or Bakersfield
Sounded like a cool idea back when they voted on it. 10 or so years later after getting a civil engineering degree I find out the entire thing is being built as one long ass bridge and realize how absurdly expensive it is for the application.
I didn't need my civil engineering degree to know that most things governments want to build are really fucking stupid.
Not just economically though but also environmentally. I haven't run the numbers but just in principle the amount of cement required to build a bridge 160 miles long (let alone the full length: approx. 500 miles) Would mean purging the CO2 from CaCO3 in quantities that more than compensate a lot of the displaced car emissions. See the most recently uploaded 'minute earth' video as of this comment's post date for an expanation on the fossil carbon impact of cement used in concrete.
Construction industry uses tremendous amounts of energy, talk about your carbon footprint, a giant abandoned half finished boondoggle project that just caused the oceans to rise two feet on its own, way to gov Moonbeam,
If you look at the video "EcoTechnoPark: Installation of Trusses" you will see a type of track that can support high speed vehicles provided enough running distance. A similar system is being built at the SkyWay Innovation Center in UAE which will be scaled up for transport vehicles up to 300 passengers. Look at the corresponding videos and imagine a system of rail overpasses (pretensioned trusses with stressed steel cables and injected concrete inside) that carry several times its own weight and costs several times less than the overweight land whale currently being built in Central Valley.
@@leoverran311 I work around construction. The amount of unnecessary driving and vehicle idling that happens.
Liberals: we need to change the world!
Also liberals: Gonna cost 90 billion and take 30 years to build a slow moving train that reaches 1/4 of the state..
I heard a guy on the radio say he did the math, and the current population traveling from these two locations could be “given” homes in both cities for the same price as building a SECOND slow train to these locations.
We never went to the moon
There's a new book called Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez Wants to Stop Cows from Farting
AnCap217 is there already a train line connecting these two cities?
So how about instead of shitting all over everything we work together for a true solution
From an xpat. They are going the same route that NJ and NY ran afoul. Enjoy the ride. The first stop is fantasy; the last bankruptcy . " ALL ABOARD"
When you said all aboard all I could hear was the Black Sabbath song
"We care about poor people, but we're going to knock down their houses to build a luxury rail line to connect the two wealthiest regions of the state so that they don't have to fly."
Removing pressures of living in the city could decrease the cost of living for people who can't afford the skyrocketing prices for highly demanded housing.
Trains are significantly faster than cars and compared to planes are much cheaper and have far less hassle.
dragonhold4 apparently it’s not cheaper than cars - haha
@Ezra Baraka
Maybe you misunderstood the sentence. (will edit)
dragonhold4 it could be I am watching and commenting when half asleep lol
@dragonhold4 - That's like saying we should buy a handful of rich people a bunch of cashmere coats, since that will take demand off the regular coat market and make things a bit easier for poor people.
Amtrak is expensive, that's why most people on the east coast use MegaBus. Nobody likes trains, stop forcing that crap on us!
Thompson the interstate system was designed for 2 reasons, 1. to move military troops and supplies around the country. And 2. To move civilian commerce. It wasn't long after that before cars started taking over. Because cars can do something trains can't do, that's take people to their exact destination and without a wait. Why do you think AOC opted to use uber instead of the subway during her campaign?
I'm gonna move to Bakersfield and get a job in Merced. It's gonna be sweet!
Guessing the trail will stop in Fresno as well. That DOUBLES your opportunities!
sweet indeed ....picking tomatoes during the tomato season then what .....homeless in SF or LA every year ? oh ....count me in !
With $199 ticket one way
@@1966bluemax; yea, that $199.00 ticket is a much better deal than the $26.00 Amtrak charges for that same trip now. Where do I sigh up?
@@geonerd oof not Fresno. We’re not talked about for good reason lol.
Fun fact, Montana is bigger than Japan. Also, Michigan is twice as large as England.
And Montana likely has just a few less people!
Ok, now china
@@shanewillbur1325
You mean the country that simply stole peoples' property with no due process to place unprofitable rail lines that are going bankrupt in place?
Q B How is that different from imminent domain when the freeways were built?
@@shanewillbur1325
People were at least compensated, and the freeways are actually used by people.
I don't think Brown considered airplanes. A flight from SFO to LAX is faster and cheaper than the train. There's also this little known road called the I-5.
Airplanes have high polluting emissions. Airports are a pain to get in and out of. The speed of a train is only because we didn't build high speed ones. I-5 is often a little busy around cities. That said, the problem isn't that high speed trains are bad, just that government shouldn't design, build and operate them. Just as government builds airports, they don't build and operate the planes. In fact, air traffic control and TSA are their two main tyrannies, and they mess up both of them.
The tickets are cheaper by current infrastructure for railroads.
A proper well developed railway can compete with, or have lower fares that airplanes.
Will Napolitano Im totally fine with this if: we went all in.
Build out helipad parking garages. Have a fast track low cost licensing for automated passenger drones & personal aircraft.
Bring back the Concorde & make it legal to fly over the USA again. Be more accepting of air development. Restructure the FAA to enable “rules of the sky” since we will have tons more people flying in the air.
That would be great, and cheaper than rail.
ENVIRONMENT
@@homewall744 I agree. We need a other Vanderbilt to do this. As for planes, there is clearly demand for cleaner and more efficient planes. If the government would stop with all the subsidies to companies like Boeing, there'd be new competition and we'd get better planes.
To hear people still argue for the train is comical..
@Craig F. Thompson I'm guessing you're one of the people who is giving up their car, vowing to never fly, and using this train..?? haha..
To answer your last question. Yes, Washington State.
Long time resident, and hate it. Already thinking about alternatives. But, would hate to leave. Washington State is still good living.
Idk why but I saw your comment and read Justin Trudeau. Lol. Of course you are not that turd
@Lance Clemings - Seattle City Council is an absolute joke. Living in Seattle for a long time, I've seen all of the changes. Seattle was a great place to be in the 90s. But, maybe it's because I was in college, plus young and careless 😁
@Lance Clemings - Oh wow. You're young. Seattle in the early 2000s wasn't as bad honestly as it is today.
They need to do the train that goes from Anaheim to Las Vegas I've been hearing about this for 30 years and the problem has always been the desert tortoise.
Las Vegas even said 30 years ago that they would build the most beautiful high-speed bullet train station in the center of Las Vegas and they would build the rail all the way from the nevada-california border all the way into Las Vegas at no charge to California they were not even going to require one penny of money to complete the rail all that California had to do is bring the rail from Anaheim all the way to the border of California and Nevada and this has never happened and will never happen
@William Hutchinson
I'm all for the desert tortoise I love Turtles and I love tortoise and I think some of the money that is for the high-speed train across the desert from Anaheim to Las Vegas should go to create a tortoise Sanctuary I really do feel that I would spend 10 million dollars on the desert tortoise but how is 10 million dollars in any way going to stop the construction of the high-speed train which is in the billions of dollars say 2 billion dollars to build his train and I'm gladly going to put at least 10 million or even 15 million dollars to make a sanctuary and a habitat for the desert tortoise
@Hans
No I really don't believe that argument that you just made because it's kind of like the marijuana argument that if they legalize marijuana than more people are going to start smoking marijuana and I don't believe that's true I think whoever is already smoking marijuana is going to continue to smoke marijuana whether it's legal or not so to counter your argument I think people that go to Vegas are still going to go to Vegas no matter what and the people that gamble in California at the Indian casinos are going to stay here because there's already free buses that go back and forth between Las Vegas and Orange County I know there's one that picks people up just two or three miles from my house
It will never happen as long as oil and car companies own a larger chunk of government than the rail industry.
@Hans
I agree with you I don't think that Las Vegas really means a whole lot to California but from the point of view of Las Vegas,... California is like a gold mine because every single weekend you get about 10,000 people from Los Angeles going to Las Vegas and I'm sure you know about the women that go over there from Orange County and they do like weekend prostitution in Las Vegas with all the guys going over there every weekend I mean it's a big business and all this weekend prostitution is happening over there in Las Vegas
well to Las Vegas it's a big deal because just on a Friday night and a Saturday night there probably bringing in you know a hundred million dollars
That's why if you get a hotel room on a Sunday night all the way to Thursday night that same hotel room is like 20 bucks but if you go there on a Friday night or Saturday night that hotel room might be $190 so I'm just saying from my point of view since I'm retired and I want to go to Las Vegas but I don't want to drive over there but maybe I wanted a drink or you know do something else so I'd rather just take the bullet train at only going to take 45 minutes to get there in 45 minutes to get back and I might even get a comp from a hotel to pay for my bullet train to go there and the comp will pay for my bullet train to come home so that I can just uber back to my house
so I'm really just thinking about my own selfish desires.... peace brother
@@TheHigherVoltage
Do you think that the car industry and the oil industry are trying to put a stop to the high-speed rail or do you think it's something else
I'm a conservative, but sorry that the US cannot build HSR lines. Not sure the California line was the best choice, but think HSR would be a winner in the East Coast with a high population density. I lived in Asia for several years had have seen how successful they can be. It is true the the US has some unique issues and it is not viable in most of the US. However, I see this as an example of the US's inability to to do anything efficiently any more, being more concerned with bureaucracy and negative politics than getting anything done. Japan, China, Korea, and Taiwan all have greats HSR lines, and yes they all have a very high population density, but the US has now become so bloated and out of shape they can't even address improved infrastructure.
"In Europe, 80% of people drive to work."
Citation needed!
www.citylab.com/transportation/2017/10/riding-bikes-buses-trains-in-european-cities/543141/
If you filter to big cities (where the vast majority of the population/work is), you even have 49% of people using public transit.
"Jerry this is your little choo choo I can'y afford to pay for your dream" - Best Quote of the video
So glad that Florida passed on the federal money.
If y’all wanna see how a High Speed Rail should have done, you should go to Florida or Texas. These are 100% private fund, and most importantly, Florida’s Brightline get the project up and running on time. So you can assure that not a single penny of your precious taxpayer’s dollars were spent while the government dumps more money onto 12-lane highways that spans 2 football fields wide.
C.T.R. Lee To be fair the Florida one is NOT a high speed train. It’s just a train that can go 125mph on pre-existing rail.
Investing tons of money on a train that goes to the middle of nowhere when that money could have been used to fix the god damn roads here in California. Smh for the people who voted NO for prop 6😔
chris 000777 and SMH for those who voted yes on the proposition for the high-speed rail.
fuel tax $$$ where is that $$ going....need an investigation NOW..voter fraud rip off...
Craig F. Thompson it’s interesting you say that, and I agree in general. Unfortunately it often goes the other way. Much of the taxes motorists pay - and many other taxes - go to trains, buses, bike lanes, bike paths, and more that have nothing to do with building and maintaining roads for motorists. For example, when the Bay Bridge toll was raised to $5, the articles I read said only about $1 was for bridge maintenance. The rest was for trains, ferries, and other modes of transportation. Undoubtedly there are other taxes and fees that have nothing to do with motoring and have bits taken for motoring, such as subsidies for electric cars. My bet is most motorists pay for much more than they’re getting.
@@brookeking8559 yes i agree ,and also goes to some corrupt crooked yahoo's (that we elected) pocket..........
@@brookeking8559 This is wrong, highways do not pay for themselves, the state invests billions to keep highways afloat on top of the money motorist pay every year for their registration, but cities see major benefits to their society and economies from having working infrastructure, so they are willing to pay. And seeing as they are willing to pay billions to keep roads working, it only makes sense to pay billions to have working public transport that reduces the use of those same highways and thus the maintenance costs they are already paying for. But by all means, let the state stop subsidizing highways and let the free market figure it out, then we will all move to Canada because it will cost an arm and a leg to go anywhere in the US. Much freedom, such wow.
… Many people don’t realize how big the country is, and they certainly don’t seem to realize just how big Texas is. When I was an installation quality auditor, an engineer at headquarters in Chicago; who apparently never left the city limits; asked me if I could quickly “run over to El Paso” And see how the progress on an installation was going… Austin-El Paso; both in Texas… Makes sense, right? I’m like- Dude, .. your man in Phoenix can get there faster than I can… He says what are you talking about? I said ..uh it’s 600 miles from here to El Paso, Hoss ...It’s in a different freaking time zone. It would take me eight hours if I drove without stopping to get there. Your man in Phoenix can drive there in about six hours. Silence. He thinks one of us is nuts, and not at all sure which one it is… LOL seriously, people just don’t realize.
Kenneth Vaughan and Austin is near the center of Texas. California is huge, too. The US is huge. People in urban areas or northeastern states just don’t appreciate it. I don’t know if it’s still true since the completion of the Interstate system and also many toll roads in Florida, but when I was a kid, it was a longer drive from Pensacola to Key West than from Pensacola to Chicago.
Brooke King
600 miles in only eight hours? Get an oil change and check your tires after that. I heard that AAA cards can be used as bond.
Bushrod Rust Johnson
@@thatfeeble-mindedboy God damn.
Big fuckup, they will probably just use the newly built railroad as a freight railroad.
Jerry Brown couldn't manage his way out of a wet paper bag with both hands.
Even with a plan he’d still fail
And people thought Schwarzenegger was a joke.
Who is funding this dude? I would imagine the regional airlines. They will lose most of their passengers to high speed rail.
Build the wall instead
As the man who walked across the desert said,
Water please I need water, not a godam train to nowhere.
"People knew this was an incredibly stupid boondoggle and of course what's going to be interesting is any other state going to be as stupid as we are?"
New York: "Hold my beer."
Kotnin makes some really good points about the US and European train comparisons. However, high-speed trains do have a purpose. They're just not the transportation panacea that some politicians paint them as. They are an effective means for travel between principal metro areas within a megalopolis. Where each principal city on the line should be give or take 100-200 miles apart.
It's been executed pretty horrendously, but an example of this would be the Acela on the Northeast Corridor between Boston, NYC, Philly, Baltimore, and DC.
Within a Neighborhood: walk/car
Within a City: car/commuter rail or express bus/public transport (bus or train depending on density)
Within a Megaopolis: car/regional jets/high-speed rail
Between Megaregions: short-medium haul jets
If they’re just going to scale back from Merced to Bakersfield, they might as well kill the entire project...
I hope they do kill it, but that fool Newsom will spend $10 billion just to keep from giving $2.5 billion back to President Trump.
''Well, sir, there's nothin' on Earth like a genuine bona-fide electrified six-car monorail! What'd I say? Monorail!''
"In Europe cities were built around railway's station" r u serious, dude?
If anybody's cities were built around railway stations, it was ours. Economic life was so fragile in the 19th century, especially west of the Mississippi, that entire towns would simply be abandoned if the railroad passed them by.
Many were. Obviously most of Europes cities predate the railway by centuries. However many were rearranged and greatly expanded during rail's heyday
This project is nuts!
Los Angeles to San Diego is the busiest railway outside of the Northeast Corridor and is a perfect line to upgrade and electrify. Double track the whole line, straighten it out where the cost is reasonable, electrify it at 25kV AC 60Hz and buy trains similar to the Caltrain order. These trains will get people out of their cars and they will make money.
Every time a Reason video runs exactly 4:20 a libertarian gets his medical card.
medical card?? maybe if you live in Arkansas.
NY AOC be like hold my beer
Train travel in Europe is not all folks in the US believe it is. There are tons of folks driving in Europe.
Mike D That was a bad comparison.
Better to look into South Korea, and Japan.
@@shanewillbur1325 Tons of people driving. They love their car industries. Moreso Japan.
The governor of Florida declined the federal bribe for "high speed rail" between Tampa and Orlando. It's a one hour drive, and they were going to shorten the travel time by fifteen minutes, according to Bill Nelson. He didn't mention the travel time to and from the stations. He also didn't want to acknowledge who would have to pay for it after the one time federal bribe dried up. He didn't like my response to his propaganda email.
Take the train money and build the wall.
Lynn Dragoman Let’s not to that either and return the money to the taxpayers.
That wall is just as big of a boondoggle as that train!
@@Yeen125 we need the wall not a train
It would be a better use of money than this crap and I don't even support the wall.
@@pedrokantor3997 I don't get the train idea at all. Who would spend 5 times as much money as an airline ticket then sit in a train for 7 times as long?
@@lynndragoman2454 It's not about convenience or efficiency, it's about some environmentalists feeling good about fighting "muh climate change" while in reality some contractors are getting enriched with taxpayer dollars.
I never understood why the idea of a railway, high speed or not, between northern Los Angeles and Las Vegas never gained any traction. Mostly empty desert much of the way, meaning far less in eminent domain problems, and every Friday there is a crush of traffic to Vegas, and every Sunday night, back to L.A.
It doesn't make it a good idea, but it would have been lightyears ahead of Bakersfield to Merced.
What's next? A train between Victorville and Barstow?
I was born and raised in yuba city California, and still live here... God please save us from the insane liberals in the big city south!!! 😥
If they really wanted a high speed train, why not work with BNSF, or Union Pacific whoever owns the rails, and use an existing line...
Can we please just leave transportation to private industry.
Im on board if its better. What would that look like?
Admittedly I’m a little jaded since the internet companies couldn’t connect the country to fiber even when given money to do so.
If there is a way to pull this off privately and with accountability, I’m all for it.
Ken MacDonald im interested. Can you link me to something for further reading?
BUT WHO WILL BUILD THE ..... oh never mind, you already said.
Yeah, let's have all roads be privately owned toll roads. In fact, I should own the road in front of my house so that I can charge people who want to drive from one side of my house to the other. That makes fucking perfect sense.
LA's homeless are really disappointed, they were promised by the governor they could poop 💩 in San Francisco and be back at the LA Rescue Mission for dinner cocktails...🍸
AOC reminds me of episode of "Beverly Hillbillies", Jethro had a wild idea to help someone and Jed told him "Boy, your heart is in the right place, but your mind is a million miles away".
I live in central California and that train was supposed to run right thru the town... between fresno and merced ... they took 100 houses and businesses out... bulldozers leveled the land and now there going to pull the f$### plug....😒
Bakersfield to Merced? Why bother?
Some contractor needs taxpayer money in their pocket, that's why.
There's no hope. Trust me.
Something has to be done. We can’t keep expanding highways due to capacity because it will be a never ending task. I think the high speed rail is a great project. The idea of getting on a train and go from center city to center city is a great concept. We can’t keep building highways and adding more planes in the sky. We need to invest more money in our transportation infrastructure before it’s too late.
Minor nitpick at 3:09. Many European cities are way older and weren't build around train tracks.
I can't wait to take the high-speed rail from Bakersfield to Merced!
Francis O'Connor I wonder how much the tickets will cost. Bet it goes bankrupt quick, no demand.
You’re right they need to finish it
It’s kind of funny we can give $1 trillion in tax cut to the already rich
spent trillions On wars for the oil companies
but we can’t build the high speed rail
we used to do things like this
I fly 30 times a year between San Jose and Burbank in a 15 to 20-year-old plane ,how dose that makes sense
@@peterpan8263 Peter pan indeed. The plans for CA rail are in Never Never Land
@@peterpan8263 how many times did you copy and paste your comment? Just curious
@@msomebody4720 you are stupid. there are always tax payers subsidies available to prop up
IL and NY can’t be far behind.
They're running out of other people's money. Happens everytime
Only country where high speed trains are working, is Japan. We have a mess here with our railway, it’s damn expensive and in all Europe it’s not profitable.
The trains are owned and operated by private enterprise in Japan. The government was wise enough to build it's transit on private enterprise.
What about high speed rail in China and Taiwan? Both regions have trains for decades.
Thats right forgot to mention that. @@homewall744
Actually, high speed trains in Europe are profitable. The network is continually expanded.
no not at all look at the business reports form the companies. If there is a profit its subsidised.
@Ithaca
the video is brought to you by the car lobby, the plane lobby and the oil lobby
The Green New Deal proposal sounds like something brought up in an elementary school class. So naive and lacking in understanding of the systems it wanted to transform, I wanted to laugh but then I noticed that there are many people who don't see much wrong with it. Sounds as insane as what Mao did with his senseless battle against nature in China.
This is an interview of a Cultural Revolution survivor who recounts some of the unbelievable projects Mao forced the people to do to fight nature amid horrible mass starvation:
ruclips.net/video/pP5gKE36oR4/видео.html
The automobile definitely has a hard grip monopoly in America.But,It won't stop the car companies from going bankrupt again.
The so-called Green New Deal might be the economic equivalent of a mixed metaphor. (Reread George Orwell's essay "Politics and the English Language" to refresh your memory on not only what's wrong with mixed metaphors but with those who employ them.)
First, flying is painful under the tyranny of the TSA, with airlines telling you to arrive 1-2 hours ahead, plus you have to get in and out of the airports used. Second, a plane is unlikely to have low emissions anytime soon, whereas a train could use green energy.
Of course, in this instance, rather than free markets creating the train alternative, it's central planning by folks who know nothing about trains or economics. So the result is wasteful spending, service that few want.
TSA should be fired and a private, more practical company could take its place. Harassing people and being ineffective at one's job should equal termination. CIA stop scaring people with inflated terror reports
Nothing will stop TSA style shit from creeping in to "high speed rail" or anything else. One thing Amtrak deserves credit for is having their own police chief shitcan ideas of bringing the TSA in.
The amount of concrete needed to build a high speed rail in north America will produce more emissions than air travel will in 40 years of service. It's not really that green.
John 6466 Unless they use renewable energy.
This has always been a cash grab.
Welcome to California. Give us your money.
Yeah, but Newsom wants his own train LMAO
You have to wonder how many trains will make the Bakersfield to Merced run daily, will they limit it to one to cut down on the subsidies from the state or will they simp,y run trains every hour to make it seem as if there is much going on even if the trains are empty? The worst argument in the world is "Gee we have sunk so much money into this we can just leave it unfinished" .Shut down all construction until the private investment shows up. There is no other way to insure that more and more tax is wasted, Somebody is going to have to find millions to keep this little insignificant route operating. How much can the get people to pay for a ride to Bakersfield from Fresno? No longer can Union jobs be brought up as a positive?
I think they will route some of the longer distance conventional trains over it. Nothing "high speed" will run.
My commute in SoCal takes 1.5hr each way. Please solve that, thank you.
just move closer.
Natural incentives. Your choice.
Jerry Brown deserves to be in a 4 by 9 the rest of his miserable pathetic life for uprooting and destroying the lives of so many legacy property owners in the Central Valley
Where in my comment do you find ANY!!! mention of Eisenhower and whatever opinion I may hold about the interstate system .. if what you post there is YOUR opinion than so be it; don't put words in MY mouth. Right here I'm commenting strictly and solely on the CA high speed rail project and JERRY BROWN'S role in it
“The cities where build 3-400 years ago and build around trains” yeah that doesn’t make sense...
They were originally built around walking. Something made them get rebuilt around trains.
The cities in Europe were built a few decades ago. Can you think of an event in Europe in the 1940s that may have made them need to start over from scratch? Think about it for a second.
Are you really this stupid, Andreas?
Q B Uh yeah, because every city in Europe was completely destroyed in 1940 smh. Most European cities have a history that goes back several hundred years and a couple cities have a history of several thousand years. The reason why Europe has more trains is because the population density is a lot higher and the cities are closer together than in the US. Most train companies are also subsidized by the countries because barely any train company who transport people is profitable
@Freud
You are right not all of it was destroyed; but thanks to the US and the Marshall Plan, Western Europe as a whole was heavily modernized. Yes there are still many small towns in Europe that have no rail system. They are beautiful places to visit if not a bit antiquated; I don’t think I could live in one but nice to visit. Those people drive to towns that have rail if they don’t work locally or work from home.
Craig F. Thompson I’m not exactly an expert on this topic but the way they are subsidized is quite different (as far as I understand)
Please correct me if I’m wrong but how is air traffic directly subsidized? They don’t have to pay fuel taxes and a tax that isn’t applied is therefore not a substitute.
Cars have to pay fuel taxes and taxes to use public roads. Car drivers pay with those taxes for the roads and their maintenance. Car drivers also subsidize about 50% of the public train transportation with their taxes (in my country) So, how are car drivers subsidized?
Trains and buses are important and can actually be profitable on certain routes but they are obligated to also service unprofitable routes (and that makes sense for the public interest)
Stupid useless projects like that in the video don’t help anyone and because this single unprofitable route isn’t subsidized by the train company with profitable routes the deficit is in no reasonable relation with the usefulness of the project. The goal for public transportation is to make a small profit or at least don’t make a huge deficit for the taxpayers
Why do you need rail when you have planes? Tax wasted again...
Craig F. Thompson that’s not true. Building highspeed railway costs more tax dollars than you buying plane tickets between cities within california. Look at the tax figure stated in the video.
Craig F. Thompson where do you think government gets the money for subsidizing? So the fix to that is to spend more tax money on highspeed railways? Who do you think pays for that?
Now, now what about the bonds that were sold for this. They were supposed to be paid for with fares. That was never going to going to happen. Now it's admitted.
Uhhh more bonds I guess.
Free Everything. Free rail service.
Fear and Loathing in Nebraska?
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Moonbeam Brown is the personification of California.
Yeah migrant farm workers can now move faster than ever between two patches of dirt. This is what California's voted for!
It's twelve miles from my home to work. It will take about seven minutes by High Speed Rail. I can't wait.
European cities where built around trains? Eeeum?
@Orn Gorn im not sure what you are trying to say, also why would you call me a moron??
@Orn Gorn im happy to.
Most American cities were built with trains being a key consideration, along with water ports. We just dismantled ours when cars and planes came along.
@Random Pickle yes definitely
@Random Pickle "European cities maintain extensive rail networks and take them into account in city planning"
They weren't built around railroads though, 400+ years ago. They developed originally without much planning at all, around walking, which is why most old cities that weren't "replanned" like part of Paris are so condense. Then the second World War led to more replanning.
In 2035:
The multi-billion railway project from Merced to Bakersfield is finally completed. Because only very few people need to travel, a lonely train goes down the tracks probably once per day.
If you add up the total costs of the project, it would have been cheaper to buy everyone in the region of Merced and Bakersfield a car. (I estimate the total costs of the railway to be at $30,000,000,000, without knowing how I got there. Just like a Californian Democrat. Divide this by one million people, and you get $30,000 per capita)
In 2040:
A grammar school class from Merced visits Fresno by train. The teacher tells them how vital it is for everyone to have a railway...
And so, the circle begins.
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Too many cars already
Bruh
Duuuude...
He doesn't consider time it takes to go through security in airports. The solution is privatization.
Let Dagny Taggart take it private!
Not drooling, or peeing your pants is a shot over the bow of the green new deal.
It is unicorn farts, personified.
High speed rail between Houston & New Orleans makes sense. There's a LOT of air travel between them, and it's just too far to drive comfortably.
dMb Heck even from Houston to Dallas by car is like a nightmare.
This overlooks one thing that HSR in CA would do--free up gate slots at multiple airports for flights outside of CA. It's not difficult to get around CA, but airports are becoming increasingly capped on space and gate slots.
High speed rail DOES NOT MAKE SENSE IN THE USA
"If you like need to drive crime down you like go to Congress where you work and you like tell your boss Nancy Pigliosi to like pass a bill making crime illegal and to give everyone like free money and then everyone gets together and each then like says yey and nay and then you like pass it and then everything is like solved"
-Alexandria Chiquita-Kruschev, the foremost intellectual and thinker in the United States
Realistically, high speed trains aren't a bad idea of they're limited to a heavily urbanized area like the northeast. California should instead invest in trains within the san francisco/ los angeles areas but leave connecting the two cities by plane.
Trains ran faster in the late 1800s than they do now.
The problem isnt getting from LA to SF, its getting from Stockton to SF
Although being a train buff I do have doubts about the viability of this plan. But Joel Kotkin has pretty poor arguments to make his case against CHSR. He is right mentioning European cities are often between 200 and 400 years old. And often even older, but what has this got to do with rail traffic. And than he claims the cities were build around the railways/stations. Well, we are about to celebrate the second centenary of the railways.
I identify two major challenges for (high speed) rail travel in the US:
1. low population density and 2. dominance of car and plane travel.
Obviously there is little point to span the Midwest by train (even I got a bit bored with the unchanging view). However, the case for Californië does compare in an interesting way to Europe. Even if nobody wants to get on or off the train in the Central Valley there is a huge volume of travel between LA and SF. Perhaps this distance is a bit greater than Paris-Lyon and Madrid-Barcelona (where air travel lost a huge market share) but still there is a strong case to be made. Plus, it makes huge ecological sense and ultimately making space for cars is a dead end. Perhaps you have space (not in build up areas), but costs will become prohibitive and not to mention pollution.
Do the sums and be bold.
Smartest thing Newsome has said.
In the era of e-mail, Skype, FedEx and DocuSign, the need for business travel is vanishing. It's only politicians who think they need to travel to communicate.
Red tape is a major problem if America of all places can't get it done.