I love modern classics. I like the idea of a bike looking like something you remember when you were a kid and having creature comforts. For example the z900rs is a beautiful bike that is easy to ride without having to tinker with carbs or drum brakes on the old z1. You can almost say this about all "modern classics" bikes. I don't understand the hate.
There's a sweet spot when it comes to technology. EFI is awesome, there's so much it takes care of behind the scenes like choke, accel enrichment, rev limiting and having an infinitely adjustable fuel curve that can meet any conceivable engine load. ABS is great too, it will outbrake all but the best riders even if you go ham on it. Where they lose me is when they start becoming too intrusive. I don't need wheelie control or traction control, 16 different ride modes or a glass display. Analog gauges are fine and my wrist takes care of the rest.
@@schrodingersmechanic7622I disagree. Ride modes are great; traction control is idiot/accident prevention, and it's all doable with analogue gauges. My speed twin has all of that, rides well, and you can just jump on and ride and forget all of it. The only problem is it's a pricey bike for what it is. You can ride the thing pretty damn fast though!
Right on! I've got 12k miles on my Z900RS. It is a versatile, reliable fun bike. Just came back from the grocery store with 2 bags stuffed under the $10 cargo net on the passenger end of the seat. Try that on a crotch rocket. But it only goes 140 mph. Oh well.😢
I run a RE Interceptor, I like the fact that this bike is super approachable. I learned to ride a bike this year (2023) at the age of 40. Honestly I should have learned years ago but now I don't really care about break neck speed anymore (I have 60s muscle for that) I use it as a commuter vehicle going to and from work, most of the time I'll be wearing an HJC i90, work boots, a mesh riding jacket, some sort of jeans, and typically my construction High vis vest (so I don't forget to take it to work) I feel like a hipster sometimes but I just don't care. I'm on 2 wheels and enjoying it, that's all that matters. I like Royal Enfield stuff typically because you can get an affordable as hell New Old Bike that doesn't want to kill you every time you jump on it. Honestly there's a dealership here that has a chrome/bronze classic 350 that's on my short list for next year.
It’s like your me just 3 years younger lol. Tho I wouldn’t mind a crotch rocket as a second bike, I wanna start doing track days and I feel the Inty would be a danger/hindrance to others
I currently ride a 2022 Triumph Speedmaster. I started riding in 1970 and owned several motorcycles that are considered classic now, a 1970 Honda CB 750, 1972Honda CB 500 Four, 1973 Kawasaki H2 , the 750 triple and a 1972 😂Yamaha RD 350 among them. My current Triumph is detuned, 77 hp vs Speed Twin getting 100 hp from same displacement. Still, its power equals the 70s superbikes. It brakes much better, runs better with fuel injection and handles light years better. Reliability is unquestioned with the first service not even due until 10k. It’s no longer necessary to use cigarette foil for an emergency fuse or a piece of wire found on the highway to hold the muffler on. No unanticipated hitchhikes because you had to leave the bike in a shop 500 miles from home. Combine these modern attributes on a motorcycle that looks like a motorcycle rather than origami and it’s why I picked it as my last bike, although you never know.
You’re just a kid. I had bikes in the 70s and yes they suck compared to what we have now. But I do have a 2022 Kawi W800. It’s a reminder of what I had back then only with better brakes, ABS, EFI and an LED head light. Who would want anything less in a bike from a safety standpoint. For riding, I like modern classics better than original classics.
Z900RS Cafe owner here,3 years and 14,000 miles and still love this bike. Full Hindle exhaust and ECU flash and will run with race reps up 100/120 and turns heads like nothing else. Compliments everywhere I go, by young and old alike. I can't imagine getting rid of it ever.
Really want to own that bike someday. I think it's one of the best looking bikes ever made. (Personally prefer the non-cafe tho but the cafe is cool too)
I really liked this video. I think it is important to recognize that the new Bonnies were a response to Sportsters. Triumph wanted a piece of that pie. Things have moved forward, and I am thrilled with today's diverse spectrum of modern classics from the reskinned nakeds of Kawi RS, to the straight-up retros of RE.
As someone currently struggling to balance & tune carburetors on a 250cc inline 4 I'm a big fan of fuel injection. And as someone who used to daily a Ducati 600SL Pantah with solid brake rotors I'm a big fan of modern big drilled brake rotors. So I'm all for modern classics. If it gives someone the classic look with better reliability from EFI, better stopping capability with modern brake systems and is both fun & safer to ride than the OG it's referencing then I'm all for it. Fun fact 1: Kawasaki were also the innovators in the current modern classic renaissance. The Kawasaki W650 predates the Triumph Bonneville by a couple of years. Kawasaki had to ditch the carby W650 & replace it with a fuel injected W800 due to, you guessed it, European emissions regulations. Fun fact 2: Yamaha were the world champions of keeping classic bikes alive for over 40 years with the SR400/500. The kickstart only SR's were manufactured from 1978 to 2021, getting EFI in 2010 due to those pesky Euro emissions regulations.
The other day I saw a Z900RS in the wild and did a doubletake. I thought for sure I had gone back in time to the good old days of the UJM, until I looked closer. I really like this bike, it brings back a lot of memories of riding in the 70s and 80s, I had a KZ750 back in the day. What made me think that I was looking at an old bike was the attention to detail, things like the shape of the tank and seat, a seat that was actually comfortable, the riding triangle, but most of all the graphics, including the font used during that time period! Now that I'm in my 60s, looking at these retro modern bikes, I'm sorely tempted to get one, or to trade down from my GSXS1000GT+ to the Katana, another bike that I lusted after in 1982.
I love my 2003 Kawasaki ZRX1200R . I bought it new in 03 and it still runs great . 54,000;miles so far through the years. It’s a modern retro classic in my opinion.
As the owner of a 2012 speed triple that needs a new instrument cluster, and the 3 dealers I've talked to cant tell me if a new($1,200) one will work with my existing ECM ($1,110) or immobilizer ($1,100)... I can say that this has been my final straw with non carb bikes. I am ONLY buying simple, carbureted bikes that I myself can wrench on from now on. And BTW, Triumph uses different wiring harnesses, different VIN regulated versions of the same cluster, so you are limited to what used things you can buy that are electronically locked out depending on your VIN. A 2012 Speedy cluster will not work with another 2012 Speedy cluster unless the VIN's are close together. This goes for all the electronic dudads that may fail on your bike so you can kiss those sweet ebay deals goodbye unless you are swapping all the electronic components from a crashed bike of a similar VIN onto yours. Modern motorcycle rant over.
@@tsoliot5913 and just to add to it, my Speedy is a $6,000 bike. So if I do need to end up swapping the ECM and immobilizer to match the new instrument cluster, I will spending $4,000 to fix a $6,000 bike because moisture got into my speedo.... Just imagine how bad the EV right to repair issues are going to be.
@@cowmath77 I feel your pain! That must be as frustrating as hell. I've just spent AU$6k on an old R1150RT that wouldn't be worth more than $5k BUT that was for fancy new shocks, imported aftermarket heated seats and a bunch of repairs. The money has greatly transformed the bike, and I did it because I love it. Would hate to be in your situation of having to spend that amount of money just to repair what should be a very minor fault. If you don't how will you sell it?
My buddy from high school, who hadn't ridden in 30 years, visited last summer. I put him on my Z900rs. He had a great time and I enjoyed peace of mind because of the safety margins provided by the modern tech.
Personally i love the classic looking bikes when picking my current bike which some call a modern classic i was seriously considering the Kawasaki z900rs, i was walking back and forth between my current bike and that bike thinking which would be better for me. I think those classic looking bikes are good for motorcycles in general they increase choice and offer more riding styles while also appealing to a bigger audience. I also think these classic bikes are very appealing to younger riders (GenZ) and i have been hearing for years now that there are not enough young riders that's why a brand like Royal Enfield which offers what they want for a very affordable price is a good thing since it allows for more young riders. on a final note i went to a Royal Enfield dealer and have to say that the fit and finish is really nice and i wouldn't mind owning one.
I love my 'modern classic' Triumph Street Scrambler and my 1976 T140 Bonneville. They are literally worlds apart in every way possible except for the styling hints on the Scrambler. Having a modern classic is absolutley nothing like owning or riding an original. I rebuilt the top end on the T140 along with countless other jobs (caliper rebuilds, ignition system, carbs, fixing dodgy wiring, new clutch and belt drive primary etc - it is an old bike...) pretty much everything apart from the re-bore can be done in my garage. It is an absolute blast to ride, it handles way better than you'd expect, brakes are of course nothing like a modern set-up, it smells great and that 360 crank is what distinguishes it from the modern 270 sound wise (it's also quite loud with it's distinctive Triumph exhuast note!) I can ride 350km in a day without a worry. The Scrambler will also do the miles without problem, brakes are great, power and torque perfect for me, sounds good but very different with the full V&H system on it, handles good and about the same level of comort on long distances as the T140 (yup, it's a nice ride!). At the end of the day the new Triumph modern classics are modern bikes made to look like classics. Maybe less tech than other bikes, but really, who needs all that tech anyway? They both have their place in my biking life but if you want the real classic bike vibe and experience (good and bad!) you really have to live with one! Keep it up Spite!
I have a Triumph T120 Black and love it. Looks great, good power, great brakes, ABS, TC, EFI... Check tire pressures and ride. I've owned carbureted, points and condenser, drum brake bikes and they suck as far as jump on and ride. There's always some sort of problem with a true classic motorcycle and I've had none with my modern classic.
Complete agreement. It's just an old bike, but better. Can't see any reason to complain. I would love an old RE but I can't handle the maintenence and uncomfortable ride features.
Excellent points. I’m actually looking at a modern classic as my next ride for the “having a good time” vibes among other reasons. Motorcycles should be fun and what that is differs from person to person.
I’ve an old ‘72 Daytona, ‘83 GPz 550 and an ‘04 Bonneville, the Bonny has upgraded everything, is now lean and light, and is about to get a set of Wiseco big bore pistons. It’s my favourite bike, and I’d say the best bike I’ve ever had. Better for just being an engine in a frame. I’ve been lucky enough to have had some excellent machines; there really is something in riding a bike with just enough poke to get you into trouble… I agree with your conclusions mate, my dream bike is a new Norton Commando…
Could have taken the reasoned argument straight from his comments section. It's packed with people that are really happy with their Royal Enfields and Triumphs. I'm certainly happy with mine.
I like to ride the old classics. A riding buddy has been riding triumphs since the 60's. Still has them all. Last year when I visited my Wing had a dead battery. I pulled the '67 Bonne out of the garage and after 2 kicks I was on my way. This year I will get the '77 Bonne running. Much the same but all original.
Great video Spite! I love my RE Continental for making riding fun but rely on the GS for the daily commute and touring! To me there is a connection to what motorcycling is supposed to be on the modern classics.
I like modern classics because today's motorcycles have too much plastic and have an appearance that I feel is too space aged. Seeing the chrome or fake chrome on a retro classic and seeing the exposed motor really shows what a motorcycle is mechanically. Touching a true metal tank and sitting on a motorcycle that have somewhat comfortable ergonomics is important to me. I do like cruise control as add on but also would not mind add ons if it makes the bike safer and is reliable, I am for it.
I am sorry spite, but i am with shade tree on this one. The modem classic is any excuse to dive into the shitty parts bin generally. Where it does work however is to re-work the already state of the art into something even greater. The only occasion I've seen this being the triumph speed treble fully faired version.
As an RnineT owner, I can say it is my favorite bike i have ever owned, and ive went through about 20 bikes. Get comments wherever I go, super fun, plenty fast, torque for days.
My first bike was the Suzuki GT380...three cylinder two-stroke. I didn't think it was sketchy, but looking back now riding a Victory, yeah it was sketchy. 😆
I think EFI is great. Riding modes, ABS, TC, adaptive suspension etc. Are definitely nice to have, but not always what every rider wants on a given bike. Sometimes you dont want all of those extra inputs as a rider. Its also worth noting that a lot of these safety features won't show up on bikes that would be in the budget range of most beginner riders, who would benefit the most from said safety features. You see plenty of new riders starting out on an older used 650 something or less for a street bike (650-1100ish for a chunky cruiser). So often the additional features become a choice that riders make if theyve already ridden for a bit and want to buy something new. There are lots of really cool bikes that fall into the modern classic category from every manufacturer.
You’re right and you are wrong in the same sentence Spite. Yes, we get tech filtered down my top race teams however this is not why we have ABS and other safety features. As an Australian Superbike racer in the 90’s, we had zero tech. Traction control was your right hand, same hand for ABS (not that it’s used in racing), a 6 axis IMU, was, well, the skilled rider/racer. Yes, bikes are more powerful today in comparison. However, if you look at lap times from my old home racetrack being Phillip Island, and factor in the improvements in tyre technology then the lap times aren’t massively different.
For a motorcycle RUclipsr. Pretty impressed by your politics to motorcycle analogy. Even if there’s a big push from a community thinking the golden era was 1931, bringing the Overton Window back a few decades.
just got my 2021 speed twin- its amazing and looks great too! this is my first bike back tbh so was worried but the ride modes and tech made everything very manageable
THIS CRETIN SPEAKS SLANDEROUS FALSEHOODS!! I don’t know what the hell this video is about tbh, I was so boiling over with rage at 24 seconds into the video when SPIT claimed I might have gotten some things wrong. Correction. I have never been wrong. 1/10 stars, did not finish as I had to walk outside and vent my rage to the heavens after the first 1/2 minute.
@@spitescorner the very concept of “defense” lends credence to the concept of me being wrong, that I need to defend “my side”. I shan’t defend a thing, only stand stalwart in my unassailable bastion of righteousness and let your lies break upon my walls of truth like waves upon the cliff
Hang on, as I do understand both the irony and the sarcasm here. Can we not agree that BOTH the sportster (as mentioned in your video) as well as the ever so loved and famed Yamaha vmax could fall into this same category? Is this not similar to the muscle car vs modern car argument? One side of the fence we love the “old school” mechanics that are grinding gears and loud cams and road feedback through a very shady front end. Then again, is that not the very characteristic In which we fall in love? Or the ever changing ever evolving idea of taking an everyday Joe Shmoe in a “bought” car and running competitive lap times. How some how that this idea can only be something earned through hard work sweat and tears. The very heinous thought that someone could “buy” their way into such an elitist activity. Its just does not make sense, this is no hill to die on because this my friend this hill is already piled high with so many a vain soldiers. That being said, I do understand the very thought that something 70 years old just can not seem cool anymore, but then again my grandpa still has new stories to tell just about every time I speak with him. I just gotta learn the correct answers to ask, and I believe it’s the same for motorcycles. It all depends on what you ask of your machine.
I get the feeling Shadetree was trying to intentionally ruffle a few feathers, but all in good fun. I like alot of his takes but I think your reasoning is the best IMHO. But I agree, even hipsters on a bike is better for all of us.. More bikes on the road are much better. Ride safe.
I ride a 'modern classic' in that it's a bike styled retro like a UJM (Honda CB650r). I totally agree with you about the benefits of modern manufacturing, even without the apex predator ride modes/cruise/etc. the improvement in suspension and power is more than enough to get me on a bike. Plus, it looks cool.
In the end it comes down to style. The Z650 and Z650rs have the same specs, but one looks like something I might have seen as a kid. In 20 years people will be yearning for a bike that looks like today’s MT-09.
Or they may look back at them like those eras of things everyone agrees are to be skipped at all costs. Hard to say in the moment. I definitely agree modern classics are great though.
I’m all for modern classics. I’m in it to casually and safely ride around with out outrageous costs and risks. I want comfort, ABS and EFI. It doesn’t need to go 100MPh or pop wheelies because I have no interest in those
That Solar singlecut! I've been wanting to pick that one up, but haven't seen a good 'real life' image of it. Seems I made my decision... Great video topic as well bud. Good insights.
I spent the first 25 years of my riding on 80's bikes. Only the last 5 or so have been on modern bikes. I'm all for modern classic styling, but I'd NEVER want to go back to 80's bikes, no matter how much I love some of them. Not because of power(the 80's had lots of quite fast bikes), but as you said, suspension/brakes/frames - how a modern bike handles is NOTHING like how an 80's bike handles. I will never go back. There's nothing good about the way 80's bikes handle.
Hey spite just got done watching your video I'm from the finger lakes region of New York State I just purchased a 2015 triumph storm notice you didn't mention that one in the video haven't seen much of them at all keep up the good work jealous of the weather
My biggest issue is I want the old school engine and ride, so I buy old school. Still, I appreciate more options for people and know many people who are better suited to modern classics which is great.
Gotta say I’ve followed Shadetree for a while, man’s got a style all his own, as for modern classics it all depends on what you regard as ‘modern’? I grew up with ’80’s bikes and view ‘00’s as modern, pretty much anything pre rider aid, I have and love all Gixers, slingshots run rings round most modern stuff if ridden properly, it’s not so much about the bike but about your feelings toward the bike
Modern classics are amazing. Many of them are beautifully styled and look like motorcycles vs a transformer insect. The reliability and handling of modern classics is confidence inspiring; who doesn't like ABS and traction control??? Not everyone who loves motorcycles is a natural rider; ABS and traction control are wonderful features for average riders. I agree that handling and brakes are what make a bad motorcycle. Not everyone needs or wants 100+ HP. I'm 66 and I rode Kawasaki triples in the 70's and I rode Harley's for nearly 40 years. Today I have a 2022 Moto Guzzi V7 Special and 1977 BMW R75/7. The Moto Guzzi is so much better than the BMW in regards to handling, brakes, smooth usable power and it has ABS and traction control. I love my BMW but I know its limitations and ride accordingly. Bashing modern classics is just dumb.
You as far as I'm concerned is the reason I jumped ship. ! Last job you had I lost total respect for Yammi, and your crew you created are cool, see you later
I agree with what you said. I love the idea of classic styling with the modern tech mixed in. That's what is considered a streetrod. Old school badass with newschool upgrades, that said, I do think that tech can handy cap a rider. You rely too much on the tech instead of using your instinct and experience. What happens when the tech fails? Use the tech,but don't put so much tech in that it's more tech handling the bike then the rider. Look at the new Buell. Critics keep saying it's a great bike but not enough tech. I think it's perfect. My Harley has just enough tech to keep her handling great.
While watching Shadetree's vid, i just couldnt escape the thought that he seems to be addicted to sportsters... Triumph Bonnies and Royal Enfield like it or not, have reasons for being the way they are. HD had literally ZERO excuse for keeping the Sporty as the same no power no handling piece of hot garbage since 1986. All the while charging a premium over their competition.
I like my classics. I like my analog speedos. Infact I want analog speedos in every bike. Just put the TFT on the tank or at the side of the analog speedos.
I love my RE GT 650 Continental. It's as fun as my Ducati Diavel V4 and it also attracts the same attention. People love the modern classics. They have all of the cool factor and none of the old school mechanical headaches like carburetors, shoe brakes, crappy suspension, etc. And they have a lot of modern safety features like ABS.
While its true motorcycle manufacturers usually just sell the motorcycles that pass eu standards in the United States. They still sell us specific models that are only for the United States. Its mostly the flag ship models they sell a lot of in the us. That's why you can still buy non abs motorcycles in the United States. From what i understand, the reason why you had to buy the hrc kit for the honda was because the us regulations didn't allow them to import the motorcycle with the parts installed. So sometimes the United States has stricker regulations than EU in certain circumstances.
The only problems I have with "modern classics" is the tech not working or failing. If my carbs are dirty. I clean them. Brake line or cylinder replace. No problem. Waiting for a dealer to approve a warranty issue. Then wait for a new TFT screen. Just so it starts and runs. I'd rather go buy a used drz400 or klr650. That way I know within an hour or so, I'm riding.
plenty of 80s bikes handle great if you repair the leaky seals in the suspension, install new rubber, replace and regrease the steering bearings etc. its maintenance.
Who really gives a crap what Shadetree thinks or what any motorcycle influencer, thinks, for that matters. What does matter is how much joy a motorcycle brings to anyone. The joy is the ruler to measure a motorcycle by. That's why they make so many different motorcycles. Buy what you can afford and what brings you the most joy. I enjoy riding carbureted bikes just as much EFI bikes. All this electronic sugar just makes the prices fatter in my opinion which doesn't mean crap to anyone else or should it. Right or wrong, it's right to that individual and maybe not any one else. I'm sure there are people out there making fun of obese old guys with pony tails riding sport bikes too. Not me though. I'm happy to see anyone riding motorcycles now a days.
I love the idea of modern classics. And i want one because of the looks. Im 47 i dont want a bug eyed race bike, and dont want the adventure bike, the harley davidson or the soort cruiser. Simply because they look to comfortable lol. Also, pricing of those.probably going for a royal later
Ethanol in gasoline has made having a older(carbureted) bike a bit of a pain. So I can see the allure and market for a modern bike classically styled for the general population.
Given I work on the automotive regulatory side, you're a little off base on the reason for regulations. The EU's GRE has more regulations because motorcycles are more commonly used as transportation. This is why ABS, and draconian emissions (Euro 5, and soon Euro 6) are now the norm, which is also why the in-line 4 is going away (it's a lot harder to make clean). Here in the USA, we don't have much of that stuff. ABS is not required, but USA emissions started getting more restrictive about 10 years ago (EPA). The big subject matter with NHTSA bike regulation is visibility. How much reflection and how bright are lights. After all, this is why you can walk down to your local Kawasaki Dealer and buy a Ninja ZX-14R, which sells decently, when you cannot do so in Europe. I like that the emissions regs gave us all fuel injection, and more power.. but there is a point of diminishing return, and the GRE's crossed it.. I feel we're in a bit of a malaise period. This is also happening to the auto industry.
My main issue with modern classics is just that they don't seem genuine. I understand why the things I'm about to say aren't feasible, but they're the reasons I can't really get behind these bikes An homage to the past should be made like its from the past. No fancy plastic covers to make something look like something it isn't (or vice versa). A classic should be more metal than plastic, it should have a raw feel to it, maybe even a touch of unrefined. If I were to design a modern classic I'd go with any barebones engine configuration, air cooling if it could pass emissions and if it can't I wouldn't hide a radiator if water cooling was necessary for emissions, I'd just throw a radiator on it. Gauges? Here, have some cheap, old school mechanical dials. Carbs? Instant modern classic material. Focus group says carbs are a no go? Alright, well here's your barebones, not hidden, not fancied up fuel injection system. I have no problems with how modern classics are made and engineered. My only problem with them is how they're marketed and sold
The older styling of bikes just looks better to me. The vintage american, japanese, and british bikes. And some peoole get so focused on the sport of riding that they forget that they forget that a bike can also be a means of self expression, customizing and wrenching on your own bike, etc. I like my 05 bonneville because its low tech and simple enough to work on and customize myself.
Yep, for me the diversity of choice with bikes these days is fantastic. Sure, we all have types that are more our “thing”, but I don’t understand it when folk trash-talk types of bikes. For example, I know that an Enfield 350 would frustrate me coz I’d want more power, BUT - I recognise that many people love them, so who am I to tell them they’re wrong? Isn’t it better to just vicariously enjoy their machine through the enthusiasm that they have?
I love how they'll take a bike that's been around for a while and make it like 80. More cc's and everybody will crap their pants not realizing that they had to do that to be able to have the same amount of power as it used to have with all the modern emissions equipment. Like. Yeah your bike is bigger but it's pumping out the same power. Maybe less in stock form. Of course the larger engine will be better once it's built set up correctly
Personally, I like the modern classics because I prefer the upright riding position. It seems like everything else (street bike) wants you to either lay forward or lay back. Still, I'll stick to my old carbureted bikes.
As your personal Forgotten Angels campout Welcome Wagon ambassador I scoff at your opinion. Although I can be bought with a tasty IPA I must digress. If I cross the mighty Swamp Wizard I will be turned into a frog. Then to be ruled by the Queen of Frogs. She is a short although cruel mistress. I shall not take any chances
Only good thing I see about Modern Classics that if someone wants a classic looking bike they don't have to buy a classic bike that might be clapped out, has 30 to 60 year old suspension and geometry, it rides harsher, may break down more, doesn't brake as well, ect. These are better for new riders that want an older style bike. Plus, it would be more likely that they keep riding. If the bike is good. Saying all that I don't really care for Modern Classics myself but not all bikes are everyone's cup of tea.
You failed to catch Shadetree’s solid use of the word “derivative.” For failing to incorporate the word of the day, you lose the Sesquipedalian Tie-Breaker Trophy and thus the contest. Sorry.
I love modern classics. I like the idea of a bike looking like something you remember when you were a kid and having creature comforts. For example the z900rs is a beautiful bike that is easy to ride without having to tinker with carbs or drum brakes on the old z1. You can almost say this about all "modern classics" bikes. I don't understand the hate.
I agree
Having one is sort of like that first memory of seeing the first kick ass bike you remember
There's a sweet spot when it comes to technology. EFI is awesome, there's so much it takes care of behind the scenes like choke, accel enrichment, rev limiting and having an infinitely adjustable fuel curve that can meet any conceivable engine load. ABS is great too, it will outbrake all but the best riders even if you go ham on it. Where they lose me is when they start becoming too intrusive. I don't need wheelie control or traction control, 16 different ride modes or a glass display. Analog gauges are fine and my wrist takes care of the rest.
@@schrodingersmechanic7622I disagree. Ride modes are great; traction control is idiot/accident prevention, and it's all doable with analogue gauges.
My speed twin has all of that, rides well, and you can just jump on and ride and forget all of it.
The only problem is it's a pricey bike for what it is.
You can ride the thing pretty damn fast though!
Right on! I've got 12k miles on my Z900RS. It is a versatile, reliable fun bike. Just came back from the grocery store with 2 bags stuffed under the $10 cargo net on the passenger end of the seat. Try that on a crotch rocket. But it only goes 140 mph. Oh well.😢
I run a RE Interceptor, I like the fact that this bike is super approachable. I learned to ride a bike this year (2023) at the age of 40. Honestly I should have learned years ago but now I don't really care about break neck speed anymore (I have 60s muscle for that) I use it as a commuter vehicle going to and from work, most of the time I'll be wearing an HJC i90, work boots, a mesh riding jacket, some sort of jeans, and typically my construction High vis vest (so I don't forget to take it to work) I feel like a hipster sometimes but I just don't care. I'm on 2 wheels and enjoying it, that's all that matters.
I like Royal Enfield stuff typically because you can get an affordable as hell New Old Bike that doesn't want to kill you every time you jump on it. Honestly there's a dealership here that has a chrome/bronze classic 350 that's on my short list for next year.
I'm digging the new RE stuff. Their continental 650 is just plain cool. Definitely some modern classics in their lineup.
It’s like your me just 3 years younger lol.
Tho I wouldn’t mind a crotch rocket as a second bike, I wanna start doing track days and I feel the Inty would be a danger/hindrance to others
Aren't most of the batteries Shadetree uses considered classics now?
Lol don't hate the battery budget lololol, I wish I had a spot like that.
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Those batteries are AGED TO PERFECTION and wasted on some these uncultured phillistines 😤
Aged like milk maybe... 🤣
I currently ride a 2022 Triumph Speedmaster. I started riding in 1970 and owned several motorcycles that are considered classic now, a 1970 Honda CB 750, 1972Honda CB 500 Four, 1973 Kawasaki H2 , the 750 triple and a 1972 😂Yamaha RD 350 among them. My current Triumph is detuned, 77 hp vs Speed Twin getting 100 hp from same displacement. Still, its power equals the 70s superbikes. It brakes much better, runs better with fuel injection and handles light years better. Reliability is unquestioned with the first service not even due until 10k. It’s no longer necessary to use cigarette foil for an emergency fuse or a piece of wire found on the highway to hold the muffler on. No unanticipated hitchhikes because you had to leave the bike in a shop 500 miles from home. Combine these modern attributes on a motorcycle that looks like a motorcycle rather than origami and it’s why I picked it as my last bike, although you never know.
Same here 2022 Bonneville T120 Black, customized like I want it to look now. Just gear up, check tire pressures, jump on, and ride.
You’re just a kid. I had bikes in the 70s and yes they suck compared to what we have now. But I do have a 2022 Kawi W800. It’s a reminder of what I had back then only with better brakes, ABS, EFI and an LED head light. Who would want anything less in a bike from a safety standpoint. For riding, I like modern classics better than original classics.
Z900RS Cafe owner here,3 years and 14,000 miles and still love this bike. Full Hindle exhaust and ECU flash and will run with race reps up 100/120 and turns heads like nothing else. Compliments everywhere I go, by young and old alike. I can't imagine getting rid of it ever.
Really want to own that bike someday. I think it's one of the best looking bikes ever made. (Personally prefer the non-cafe tho but the cafe is cool too)
@@kleinbottled79I just love the look of UJM, it's classy the same way old JDM cars are
I really liked this video. I think it is important to recognize that the new Bonnies were a response to Sportsters. Triumph wanted a piece of that pie. Things have moved forward, and I am thrilled with today's diverse spectrum of modern classics from the reskinned nakeds of Kawi RS, to the straight-up retros of RE.
As someone currently struggling to balance & tune carburetors on a 250cc inline 4 I'm a big fan of fuel injection. And as someone who used to daily a Ducati 600SL Pantah with solid brake rotors I'm a big fan of modern big drilled brake rotors. So I'm all for modern classics. If it gives someone the classic look with better reliability from EFI, better stopping capability with modern brake systems and is both fun & safer to ride than the OG it's referencing then I'm all for it.
Fun fact 1: Kawasaki were also the innovators in the current modern classic renaissance. The Kawasaki W650 predates the Triumph Bonneville by a couple of years. Kawasaki had to ditch the carby W650 & replace it with a fuel injected W800 due to, you guessed it, European emissions regulations.
Fun fact 2: Yamaha were the world champions of keeping classic bikes alive for over 40 years with the SR400/500. The kickstart only SR's were manufactured from 1978 to 2021, getting EFI in 2010 due to those pesky Euro emissions regulations.
The other day I saw a Z900RS in the wild and did a doubletake. I thought for sure I had gone back in time to the good old days of the UJM, until I looked closer. I really like this bike, it brings back a lot of memories of riding in the 70s and 80s, I had a KZ750 back in the day. What made me think that I was looking at an old bike was the attention to detail, things like the shape of the tank and seat, a seat that was actually comfortable, the riding triangle, but most of all the graphics, including the font used during that time period! Now that I'm in my 60s, looking at these retro modern bikes, I'm sorely tempted to get one, or to trade down from my GSXS1000GT+ to the Katana, another bike that I lusted after in 1982.
As a Z900RS Cafe owner, get the bike,you won't regret it. I test rode 6 Triumphs and 6 HDs this summer and was happy to be back on the Z every time.
I'd get the z9...the katana is fugly....
Now the original 1981 katana..perfecto
@@markbaum9615 I see the original design language in the retro mod, and like the updated look and tech. 👍
I love my 2003 Kawasaki ZRX1200R . I bought it new in 03 and it still runs great . 54,000;miles so far through the years. It’s a modern retro classic in my opinion.
Oh yes I fully agree it is a modern classic. My brother owns one, very cool bike.
Went from a Yamaha fz1 to a Triumph Bonneville bobber and couldn’t be happier.
As the owner of a 2012 speed triple that needs a new instrument cluster, and the 3 dealers I've talked to cant tell me if a new($1,200) one will work with my existing ECM ($1,110) or immobilizer ($1,100)... I can say that this has been my final straw with non carb bikes. I am ONLY buying simple, carbureted bikes that I myself can wrench on from now on.
And BTW, Triumph uses different wiring harnesses, different VIN regulated versions of the same cluster, so you are limited to what used things you can buy that are electronically locked out depending on your VIN. A 2012 Speedy cluster will not work with another 2012 Speedy cluster unless the VIN's are close together. This goes for all the electronic dudads that may fail on your bike so you can kiss those sweet ebay deals goodbye unless you are swapping all the electronic components from a crashed bike of a similar VIN onto yours.
Modern motorcycle rant over.
True facts.
@@tsoliot5913 and just to add to it, my Speedy is a $6,000 bike. So if I do need to end up swapping the ECM and immobilizer to match the new instrument cluster, I will spending $4,000 to fix a $6,000 bike because moisture got into my speedo....
Just imagine how bad the EV right to repair issues are going to be.
@@cowmath77 I feel your pain! That must be as frustrating as hell. I've just spent AU$6k on an old R1150RT that wouldn't be worth more than $5k BUT that was for fancy new shocks, imported aftermarket heated seats and a bunch of repairs. The money has greatly transformed the bike, and I did it because I love it. Would hate to be in your situation of having to spend that amount of money just to repair what should be a very minor fault. If you don't how will you sell it?
Japanese bikes are superior...
I've made the EuroGarbage mistake multiple times....
2005 triumph rocket (transmission)
2014 Ducati XDIAVELS...
(transmission failure + oil leaks)
@@markbaum9615 couldn't pay me to ride a Japanese bike, its like riding a sowing machine.
My buddy from high school, who hadn't ridden in 30 years, visited last summer. I put him on my Z900rs. He had a great time and I enjoyed peace of mind because of the safety margins provided by the modern tech.
I don't remember enjoying a ride from the get go other than my time on the Bonneville bobber. What a masterpiece
Well spoken, the world is a mix the same as the bikes we ride. Well done 👍🏼
Personally i love the classic looking bikes when picking my current bike which some call a modern classic i was seriously considering the Kawasaki z900rs, i was walking back and forth between my current bike and that bike thinking which would be better for me. I think those classic looking bikes are good for motorcycles in general they increase choice and offer more riding styles while also appealing to a bigger audience. I also think these classic bikes are very appealing to younger riders (GenZ) and i have been hearing for years now that there are not enough young riders that's why a brand like Royal Enfield which offers what they want for a very affordable price is a good thing since it allows for more young riders. on a final note i went to a Royal Enfield dealer and have to say that the fit and finish is really nice and i wouldn't mind owning one.
I saw this response coming. Spite and Yammie were loving those Royal Enfield bikes. 😁
I love my 'modern classic' Triumph Street Scrambler and my 1976 T140 Bonneville. They are literally worlds apart in every way possible except for the styling hints on the Scrambler. Having a modern classic is absolutley nothing like owning or riding an original. I rebuilt the top end on the T140 along with countless other jobs (caliper rebuilds, ignition system, carbs, fixing dodgy wiring, new clutch and belt drive primary etc - it is an old bike...) pretty much everything apart from the re-bore can be done in my garage. It is an absolute blast to ride, it handles way better than you'd expect, brakes are of course nothing like a modern set-up, it smells great and that 360 crank is what distinguishes it from the modern 270 sound wise (it's also quite loud with it's distinctive Triumph exhuast note!) I can ride 350km in a day without a worry. The Scrambler will also do the miles without problem, brakes are great, power and torque perfect for me, sounds good but very different with the full V&H system on it, handles good and about the same level of comort on long distances as the T140 (yup, it's a nice ride!). At the end of the day the new Triumph modern classics are modern bikes made to look like classics. Maybe less tech than other bikes, but really, who needs all that tech anyway? They both have their place in my biking life but if you want the real classic bike vibe and experience (good and bad!) you really have to live with one! Keep it up Spite!
I have a Triumph T120 Black and love it. Looks great, good power, great brakes, ABS, TC, EFI... Check tire pressures and ride. I've owned carbureted, points and condenser, drum brake bikes and they suck as far as jump on and ride. There's always some sort of problem with a true classic motorcycle and I've had none with my modern classic.
Complete agreement. It's just an old bike, but better. Can't see any reason to complain. I would love an old RE but I can't handle the maintenence and uncomfortable ride features.
Excellent points. I’m actually looking at a modern classic as my next ride for the “having a good time” vibes among other reasons. Motorcycles should be fun and what that is differs from person to person.
I’ve an old ‘72 Daytona, ‘83 GPz 550 and an ‘04 Bonneville, the Bonny has upgraded everything, is now lean and light, and is about to get a set of Wiseco big bore pistons. It’s my favourite bike, and I’d say the best bike I’ve ever had. Better for just being an engine in a frame. I’ve been lucky enough to have had some excellent machines; there really is something in riding a bike with just enough poke to get you into trouble…
I agree with your conclusions mate, my dream bike is a new Norton Commando…
Could have taken the reasoned argument straight from his comments section. It's packed with people that are really happy with their Royal Enfields and Triumphs. I'm certainly happy with mine.
I like to ride the old classics. A riding buddy has been riding triumphs since the 60's. Still has them all. Last year when I visited my Wing had a dead battery. I pulled the '67 Bonne out of the garage and after 2 kicks I was on my way. This year I will get the '77 Bonne running. Much the same but all original.
Great video Spite! I love my RE Continental for making riding fun but rely on the GS for the daily commute and touring! To me there is a connection to what motorcycling is supposed to be on the modern classics.
I like modern classics because today's motorcycles have too much plastic and have an appearance that I feel is too space aged. Seeing the chrome or fake chrome on a retro classic and seeing the exposed motor really shows what a motorcycle is mechanically. Touching a true metal tank and sitting on a motorcycle that have somewhat comfortable ergonomics is important to me. I do like cruise control as add on but also would not mind add ons if it makes the bike safer and is reliable, I am for it.
I am sorry spite, but i am with shade tree on this one. The modem classic is any excuse to dive into the shitty parts bin generally. Where it does work however is to re-work the already state of the art into something even greater. The only occasion I've seen this being the triumph speed treble fully faired version.
As an RnineT owner, I can say it is my favorite bike i have ever owned, and ive went through about 20 bikes. Get comments wherever I go, super fun, plenty fast, torque for days.
My first bike was the Suzuki GT380...three cylinder two-stroke. I didn't think it was sketchy, but looking back now riding a Victory, yeah it was sketchy. 😆
I think EFI is great. Riding modes, ABS, TC, adaptive suspension etc. Are definitely nice to have, but not always what every rider wants on a given bike.
Sometimes you dont want all of those extra inputs as a rider.
Its also worth noting that a lot of these safety features won't show up on bikes that would be in the budget range of most beginner riders, who would benefit the most from said safety features.
You see plenty of new riders starting out on an older used 650 something or less for a street bike (650-1100ish for a chunky cruiser).
So often the additional features become a choice that riders make if theyve already ridden for a bit and want to buy something new.
There are lots of really cool bikes that fall into the modern classic category from every manufacturer.
That sketchiness of the 80s and on older bikes, is why I and most others love the vmax....the butt pucker factor :)
What we need is a good chain lube that we can also wax our beards with..
I prefer maxima. It gives me that "just huffed glue" look
I loved my old Bonnie's. And I love Bikes from the 70's - 90's.
Agreed, Modern Classics are 100% awesome! I was looking super hard at the Truxton RS before I bought my tiger.
That ladder trick with the rachet strap is slick!
You’re right and you are wrong in the same sentence Spite. Yes, we get tech filtered down my top race teams however this is not why we have ABS and other safety features. As an Australian Superbike racer in the 90’s, we had zero tech. Traction control was your right hand, same hand for ABS (not that it’s used in racing), a 6 axis IMU, was, well, the skilled rider/racer. Yes, bikes are more powerful today in comparison. However, if you look at lap times from my old home racetrack being Phillip Island, and factor in the improvements in tyre technology then the lap times aren’t massively different.
For a motorcycle RUclipsr. Pretty impressed by your politics to motorcycle analogy. Even if there’s a big push from a community thinking the golden era was 1931, bringing the Overton Window back a few decades.
100% love my Speed Twin. Amazing town bike, and I have a Multi, Duke 390, and Z125. ST is by far my favorite around town bike. TORQUE EVERYWHERE.
The kawasaki rs 900 is amazing. I just wish it had cruise control and a fuel gauge.
Cars have those. Bikes don’t need those. If you need those, buy a car.
You should look at the 2014 cb1100
just got my 2021 speed twin- its amazing and looks great too! this is my first bike back tbh so was worried but the ride modes and tech made everything very manageable
THIS CRETIN SPEAKS SLANDEROUS FALSEHOODS!! I don’t know what the hell this video is about tbh, I was so boiling over with rage at 24 seconds into the video when SPIT claimed I might have gotten some things wrong.
Correction. I have never been wrong.
1/10 stars, did not finish as I had to walk outside and vent my rage to the heavens after the first 1/2 minute.
You're invited to come on down to the podcast and defend your blasphemy. Any time, my friend.
@@spitescorner the very concept of “defense” lends credence to the concept of me being wrong, that I need to defend “my side”. I shan’t defend a thing, only stand stalwart in my unassailable bastion of righteousness and let your lies break upon my walls of truth like waves upon the cliff
Theoden said the same thing about Helm's Deep 😉
Hang on, as I do understand both the irony and the sarcasm here. Can we not agree that BOTH the sportster (as mentioned in your video) as well as the ever so loved and famed Yamaha vmax could fall into this same category? Is this not similar to the muscle car vs modern car argument? One side of the fence we love the “old school” mechanics that are grinding gears and loud cams and road feedback through a very shady front end. Then again, is that not the very characteristic In which we fall in love?
Or the ever changing ever evolving idea of taking an everyday Joe Shmoe in a “bought” car and running competitive lap times. How some how that this idea can only be something earned through hard work sweat and tears. The very heinous thought that someone could “buy” their way into such an elitist activity. Its just does not make sense, this is no hill to die on because this my friend this hill is already piled high with so many a vain soldiers.
That being said, I do understand the very thought that something 70 years old just can not seem cool anymore, but then again my grandpa still has new stories to tell just about every time I speak with him. I just gotta learn the correct answers to ask, and I believe it’s the same for motorcycles. It all depends on what you ask of your machine.
I get the feeling Shadetree was trying to intentionally ruffle a few feathers, but all in good fun. I like alot of his takes but I think your reasoning is the best IMHO. But I agree, even hipsters on a bike is better for all of us.. More bikes on the road are much better. Ride safe.
I ride a 'modern classic' in that it's a bike styled retro like a UJM (Honda CB650r). I totally agree with you about the benefits of modern manufacturing, even without the apex predator ride modes/cruise/etc. the improvement in suspension and power is more than enough to get me on a bike. Plus, it looks cool.
it works; I love my Thruxton 1200 RS; took it to trackday (intermediate)=was fine; commuting=fine; city commuting=fine; reliability=great. no loss.
My 82 kz650 while not modern have modern tires progressive suspension and it’s not sketchy at all!
In the end it comes down to style. The Z650 and Z650rs have the same specs, but one looks like something I might have seen as a kid. In 20 years people will be yearning for a bike that looks like today’s MT-09.
Or they may look back at them like those eras of things everyone agrees are to be skipped at all costs. Hard to say in the moment.
I definitely agree modern classics are great though.
I’m all for modern classics. I’m in it to casually and safely ride around with out outrageous costs and risks. I want comfort, ABS and EFI. It doesn’t need to go 100MPh or pop wheelies because I have no interest in those
That Thruxton Bonnie hasn't got carburettors. Those are injection throttle bodies designed to look like Amal Monoblocs....
Proud to be just a dude, riding around on a motorcycle, having a lot of fun. 😘
I love learning motorcycle history from Spite and Shadetree.
He did it on an Indian...watch the "World's Fastest Indian" movie.
That Solar singlecut! I've been wanting to pick that one up, but haven't seen a good 'real life' image of it. Seems I made my decision... Great video topic as well bud. Good insights.
I spent the first 25 years of my riding on 80's bikes. Only the last 5 or so have been on modern bikes. I'm all for modern classic styling, but I'd NEVER want to go back to 80's bikes, no matter how much I love some of them.
Not because of power(the 80's had lots of quite fast bikes), but as you said, suspension/brakes/frames - how a modern bike handles is NOTHING like how an 80's bike handles. I will never go back. There's nothing good about the way 80's bikes handle.
I think that’s the beauty of “modern” classics. All the fun with EFI and ABS
I'm buying a 800 nk in January after 12 months of narrowing down what my next bike will be. That big is so impressive considering how much it costs.
Love the triumph speed twin!
I can't wait until Shadetree Surgeon tries to review an Energica....
It'll have a recycled battery in it and make it 15 miles
@@spitescorner Good one.
I would love to see you review a Triumph Scram 1200, any of them..XE,XC,X
Hey spite just got done watching your video I'm from the finger lakes region of New York State I just purchased a 2015 triumph storm notice you didn't mention that one in the video haven't seen much of them at all keep up the good work jealous of the weather
"not every motorcycle has to be a top edge, razor sharp road rocket"
KTM: Wait, are you serious?
"Holy marquez"? Now we truly know why Spite isn't working with Yammie anymore. It's a religous thing. xD
My biggest issue is I want the old school engine and ride, so I buy old school. Still, I appreciate more options for people and know many people who are better suited to modern classics which is great.
Overton window in a motorcycle video 🙌
Gotta say I’ve followed Shadetree for a while, man’s got a style all his own, as for modern classics it all depends on what you regard as ‘modern’? I grew up with ’80’s bikes and view ‘00’s as modern, pretty much anything pre rider aid, I have and love all Gixers, slingshots run rings round most modern stuff if ridden properly, it’s not so much about the bike but about your feelings toward the bike
Spite and Shadetree, are just Ash and Gray of the Motorcycle world...
I'm old school and prefer the retro bikes. They remind me of the bikes I rode in my younger days with modern reliability.
Modern classics are amazing. Many of them are beautifully styled and look like motorcycles vs a transformer insect. The reliability and handling of modern classics is confidence inspiring; who doesn't like ABS and traction control??? Not everyone who loves motorcycles is a natural rider; ABS and traction control are wonderful features for average riders. I agree that handling and brakes are what make a bad motorcycle. Not everyone needs or wants 100+ HP. I'm 66 and I rode Kawasaki triples in the 70's and I rode Harley's for nearly 40 years. Today I have a 2022 Moto Guzzi V7 Special and 1977 BMW R75/7. The Moto Guzzi is so much better than the BMW in regards to handling, brakes, smooth usable power and it has ABS and traction control. I love my BMW but I know its limitations and ride accordingly. Bashing modern classics is just dumb.
You as far as I'm concerned is the reason I jumped ship. ! Last job you had I lost total respect for Yammi, and your crew you created are cool, see you later
I agree with what you said. I love the idea of classic styling with the modern tech mixed in. That's what is considered a streetrod. Old school badass with newschool upgrades, that said, I do think that tech can handy cap a rider. You rely too much on the tech instead of using your instinct and experience. What happens when the tech fails? Use the tech,but don't put so much tech in that it's more tech handling the bike then the rider. Look at the new Buell. Critics keep saying it's a great bike but not enough tech. I think it's perfect. My Harley has just enough tech to keep her handling great.
While watching Shadetree's vid, i just couldnt escape the thought that he seems to be addicted to sportsters... Triumph Bonnies and Royal Enfield like it or not, have reasons for being the way they are. HD had literally ZERO excuse for keeping the Sporty as the same no power no handling piece of hot garbage since 1986. All the while charging a premium over their competition.
Spite has knowledge and did his homework for this vid. Well done sir
I like my classics. I like my analog speedos. Infact I want analog speedos in every bike. Just put the TFT on the tank or at the side of the analog speedos.
Yeah man. We're talking motorcycles - Let's have some fun!!!!
I love my RE GT 650 Continental. It's as fun as my Ducati Diavel V4 and it also attracts the same attention. People love the modern classics. They have all of the cool factor and none of the old school mechanical headaches like carburetors, shoe brakes, crappy suspension, etc. And they have a lot of modern safety features like ABS.
I'd offer him a 2023 Triumph Truxton. See if he turns his nose up.
While its true motorcycle manufacturers usually just sell the motorcycles that pass eu standards in the United States. They still sell us specific models that are only for the United States. Its mostly the flag ship models they sell a lot of in the us. That's why you can still buy non abs motorcycles in the United States. From what i understand, the reason why you had to buy the hrc kit for the honda was because the us regulations didn't allow them to import the motorcycle with the parts installed. So sometimes the United States has stricker regulations than EU in certain circumstances.
You get it Spite.
It’s a big table with a seat for all!
The only problems I have with "modern classics" is the tech not working or failing. If my carbs are dirty. I clean them. Brake line or cylinder replace. No problem. Waiting for a dealer to approve a warranty issue. Then wait for a new TFT screen. Just so it starts and runs. I'd rather go buy a used drz400 or klr650. That way I know within an hour or so, I'm riding.
plenty of 80s bikes handle great if you repair the leaky seals in the suspension, install new rubber, replace and regrease the steering bearings etc. its maintenance.
Who really gives a crap what Shadetree thinks or what any motorcycle influencer, thinks, for that matters. What does matter is how much joy a motorcycle brings to anyone. The joy is the ruler to measure a motorcycle by. That's why they make so many different motorcycles. Buy what you can afford and what brings you the most joy. I enjoy riding carbureted bikes just as much EFI bikes. All this electronic sugar just makes the prices fatter in my opinion which doesn't mean crap to anyone else or should it. Right or wrong, it's right to that individual and maybe not any one else. I'm sure there are people out there making fun of obese old guys with pony tails riding sport bikes too. Not me though. I'm happy to see anyone riding motorcycles now a days.
I love the idea of modern classics. And i want one because of the looks.
Im 47 i dont want a bug eyed race bike, and dont want the adventure bike, the harley davidson or the soort cruiser.
Simply because they look to comfortable lol.
Also, pricing of those.probably going for a royal later
Ethanol in gasoline has made having a older(carbureted) bike a bit of a pain. So I can see the allure and market for a modern bike classically styled for the general population.
I rather have a modern classic than liter bike
Me too tbh
Shadetree IS a modern classic.
bwahahahahhahhaaaaa
Given I work on the automotive regulatory side, you're a little off base on the reason for regulations. The EU's GRE has more regulations because motorcycles are more commonly used as transportation. This is why ABS, and draconian emissions (Euro 5, and soon Euro 6) are now the norm, which is also why the in-line 4 is going away (it's a lot harder to make clean). Here in the USA, we don't have much of that stuff. ABS is not required, but USA emissions started getting more restrictive about 10 years ago (EPA). The big subject matter with NHTSA bike regulation is visibility. How much reflection and how bright are lights. After all, this is why you can walk down to your local Kawasaki Dealer and buy a Ninja ZX-14R, which sells decently, when you cannot do so in Europe. I like that the emissions regs gave us all fuel injection, and more power.. but there is a point of diminishing return, and the GRE's crossed it.. I feel we're in a bit of a malaise period. This is also happening to the auto industry.
My main issue with modern classics is just that they don't seem genuine. I understand why the things I'm about to say aren't feasible, but they're the reasons I can't really get behind these bikes
An homage to the past should be made like its from the past. No fancy plastic covers to make something look like something it isn't (or vice versa). A classic should be more metal than plastic, it should have a raw feel to it, maybe even a touch of unrefined.
If I were to design a modern classic I'd go with any barebones engine configuration, air cooling if it could pass emissions and if it can't I wouldn't hide a radiator if water cooling was necessary for emissions, I'd just throw a radiator on it. Gauges? Here, have some cheap, old school mechanical dials. Carbs? Instant modern classic material. Focus group says carbs are a no go? Alright, well here's your barebones, not hidden, not fancied up fuel injection system.
I have no problems with how modern classics are made and engineered. My only problem with them is how they're marketed and sold
The older styling of bikes just looks better to me. The vintage american, japanese, and british bikes. And some peoole get so focused on the sport of riding that they forget that they forget that a bike can also be a means of self expression, customizing and wrenching on your own bike, etc. I like my 05 bonneville because its low tech and simple enough to work on and customize myself.
"xxxx bikes suck" generates clicks. Shadetree does not like them, sure, many don't. But I love my 2022 Triumph Bonneville. I don't want a Ninja :)
Yep, for me the diversity of choice with bikes these days is fantastic. Sure, we all have types that are more our “thing”, but I don’t understand it when folk trash-talk types of bikes. For example, I know that an Enfield 350 would frustrate me coz I’d want more power, BUT - I recognise that many people love them, so who am I to tell them they’re wrong? Isn’t it better to just vicariously enjoy their machine through the enthusiasm that they have?
You should test ride the RE Super Meteor 650.
I love how they'll take a bike that's been around for a while and make it like 80. More cc's and everybody will crap their pants not realizing that they had to do that to be able to have the same amount of power as it used to have with all the modern emissions equipment. Like. Yeah your bike is bigger but it's pumping out the same power. Maybe less in stock form. Of course the larger engine will be better once it's built set up correctly
Personally, I like the modern classics because I prefer the upright riding position. It seems like everything else (street bike) wants you to either lay forward or lay back. Still, I'll stick to my old carbureted bikes.
As your personal Forgotten Angels campout Welcome Wagon ambassador I scoff at your opinion. Although I can be bought with a tasty IPA I must digress. If I cross the mighty Swamp Wizard I will be turned into a frog. Then to be ruled by the Queen of Frogs. She is a short although cruel mistress. I shall not take any chances
Fresh new rubber and non-deferred maintenance make all the difference to an ‘old’ bike.
Insork, in swedish, sork means a vole or fieldmouse.😂
Spite... woah.. you forgot the ultimate speed race.. the Isle of Man TT.. just keeping you honest here.
Let's you and him fight!!
I think, nay, I know there is no "SACK" on Kawasaki (cow-uh-sock-ee) and its who did the math "correctly." Its an adverb.
Only good thing I see about Modern Classics that if someone wants a classic looking bike they don't have to buy a classic bike that might be clapped out, has 30 to 60 year old suspension and geometry, it rides harsher, may break down more, doesn't brake as well, ect. These are better for new riders that want an older style bike. Plus, it would be more likely that they keep riding. If the bike is good.
Saying all that I don't really care for Modern Classics myself but not all bikes are everyone's cup of tea.
Good points. That’s exactly why I bought an int650. I didn’t want to spanner it and I didn’t want to pay a 5 figure sum for a 40 year old bike.
You failed to catch Shadetree’s solid use of the word “derivative.” For failing to incorporate the word of the day, you lose the Sesquipedalian Tie-Breaker Trophy and thus the contest. Sorry.
Yes but I used the term Overton Window so it cancels out
@@spitescorner 😂Touché!🤺