I'm a North member and am sick to death of draft picks, I don't want success gifted on a platter, pull your finger out and work harder, if something is to be done get soft cap relief for development coaches.
@Burningthunder90 I think most North fan admit we got a pretty good deal last year. Problem for us is being a small club down the bottom who 'must' trade a pick 22 or whatever they end up was never going to get us quality. We just cant shake out the type of players that 5 or 6 vic clubs would or the SA and WA teams. Look at the players we had to use those picks on, all spuds. As long as they AFL never go back to giving first round picks again i can live with it.
is "Fremantle back" gets about 3 mins, of which Kane talks about Essendon for a minute and their chances, and then denies Darcy is a better ruck than Jackson, who was clearly fatigued before Sean's return 2 weeks ago - doesn't really extrapolate on the maybe reasons why they 'might' be back?! Utterly clueless and pointless, may as well not bother fellas. Thank god for Gerard Healy, who is always unbiased and complimentary to Freo when warranted.
The assistance North has been given by the AFL has been not much better than worthless because clubs aren't going to offer any quality players for picks that land in the mid 20s that they know have to be traded. Last year the AFL basically said that what they got will be it, so I'm not expecting them to change their mind on that. I wasn't expecting North to win any of their first 7 games, but I didn't expect things to be this bad and getting worse each week. The impact of the experience lost at the end of 2023 through free trade and retirements has hit harder than I thought it would. High quality players won't come to the dumpster fire that North currently is.
Yeah but you have to start from the position that no club should be getting any handouts at all. Scott left because he was convinced they needed to rebuild, but the club didn't listen and made the problem worse. They don't need any more assistance, they just need patience. Honestly they should have relocated to Tasmania.
Agree, it was little more than tokenism. Meanwhile, well established clubs like Brisbane & Sydney have helped themselves to academy rorts. The double standards applied to North are absurd.
@Burningthunder90 1) I'm aware of that and have no issues with GC & GWS having these "rorts" until they produce father-sons. Sydney & brisbane having the same rorts is a straight up farce. North's "charity" was a joke and a token AFL gesture, considering 8 of your aforementioned 13 clubs have recieved past priority picks that were picks 1, 2 or 3, and many of these clubs on more than 1 occasion! Pick ~20 is BULLSHIT!
Even though Anzac Day was a draw, Collingwood did have a few things to be happy about -Jamie Elliott Mark of the Year -Scott Pendlebury’s milestone 10000 disposals -Tom McGuane collects 38 disposals 10 marks and a goal in a best on ground performance in the Coates League as a bottom ager (2025 is his draft year)
It is time to wind North Melbourne up. There are too many Melbourne clubs and North have the smallest supporter base. With Tassie coming in it would make for a better balanced comp. (I have nothing against them - I loved their sides of the 70s and 90s).
Imagine if we "wound up every struggling club. Most clubs would be gone. BTW every club that's struggled had low membership numbers during that time. Put some thought into your comments.
@@davidw4987 The afl wants to do the opposite of what you're suggesting, that's why they're bringing in Tassie which is great. I don't think they'll stop there. The Northern Territory would be next. A team from there would give you even numbers. North have been with us since 1869 and have 5 premierships and a rich history. Why would you want to get rid of them just because they're not going well atm. They're one of the only clubs making profits and have no debt, not to mention all the work they do in the community.
Bring back the old priority pick system of 4 wins or less. I think Hawthorn and North should both get high end priority picks. Levi Ashcroft will go to Brisbane, Jagga Smith looks good but is built like Colby Mckercher. Josh Smillie is more of the type of player North needs. 194cm inside mid that can also play forward, down back or as an outside mid. Being a midfield heavy draft class I can see North trading the 1st pick as well.
From 1992-2005 any team that won 5 games or less got a priority pick, from 2006-2012 any team that won 4 games or less got a priority pick. From 2000 to 2020 North were ranked 17th in weeks spent on the bottom of the ladder, they are currently ranked 4th. This team is as bad as Melbourne was from 07-09 and nearly as bad as Carlton from the pre Judd era. Carlton were flooded with priority picks, even infamously losing to melbourne when they both had 4 wins to secure the 1st pick over richmond who had finished last in 2007 for kruezer. Collingwood went to back to back grand finals in 02-03 and by 05 they received pick 2 priority for dale thomas and had pick 5 of their own which was pendlebury. Hawthorn got xavier ellis with the 3rd pick priority that year as well as the 6th pick of their own. Carlton received pick 1 priority for marc murphy and pick 4 of their own which resulted in josh kennedy and ultimately chris judd. Carlton failed to build into a winning list before plummeting back down but these teams were receiving two high draft picks minimum every time they failed to win 4 or 5 games. A team that can barely win 1-2 games a year deserves massive draft compensation repeatedly until they can at least climb out of the bottom 3. For me that includes teams like Hawthorn, who will likely not recieve priority picks based on their clubs history of success.
North made the choices that put them where they are, so surely they should have to make the choices to get them out of the mess that they put themselves in! Don’t reward mediocrity!!
Agreed but the problem is that the AFL are run like a communist state. They don't want any team better or worse than any other team and they will ensure they're "looked after".
Is there any team that's finished last who made the right decisions? The question is, should the afl help struggling teams? As far as I know they do, that's why there's a draft and salary cap. That's why there are priority picks and academies.
Everyone was telling them for years that their list management and recruiting was terrible. We are talking 12 years+ of neglect. They still haven't recruited vital position players and many a good young player was de-listed because of coaching failure.
One man de-listing all our experience and we've been paying ever since. Also you can't blame the club for JHF leaving. We are still yet to have a number one draft pick in our club. Don't think we need a priority pick but it's been hard to watch North for 5 years.
The biggest problem with North Melbourne is the draft age we went from Club under 19’s to under 18 Comp makes no sense whatsoever, as the salary cap rises the draft becomes more obsolete year after year like it’s so freaking obvious
North got two first rounders in return for JHF, which landed them Wardlaw in 2022 and Goad in 2023. Given that JHF asked for the trade, that is about the best North could have got. North is now being criticised for not trading out 3 first round picks to get Reid. The Adelaide offer was actually pick 4 + their 2022 1st rounder, as well as Melbourne's 2022 first rounder in exchange for #1 + North's 2022 second rounder.
@@charlesca5763 They couldn't have gotten more. The only reason they got that was because GWS was involved in the trade. They could have refused, in which case North probably would have got less for an out of contract JHF in 2023.
@Burningthunder90 Disappointing to know. The way I look at it is, if we ever become successful again, I wouldn't want an asterisk next to it, I want it to be deserved
@Burningthunder90 they're not in the minority of North fans, you're just basing that off the vocal minority of social media whingers. I don't want handouts, but I just get shitty at the hypocrisy of supporters of clubs like Carlton, Richmond, Brisbane, Melbourne, GC, GWS, etc complain about the handouts to North, when all of those clubs received so much more when they were struggling.
I have a simple philosophy when it comes to footy, they get better by being less shit. Giving them pick one and two, that’s not gonna work; look at Gold Coast for example they still haven’t made finals since they drafted Noah Anderson and Matt Rowell. What will work however is beefing up their soft cap with direct funding from the afl, they can use the money to hire better medicos, better scouts, and better development staff. North have had something of a messiah complex for a while that’s why they drafted Jason Horne Francis, and that’s why they signed allistair Clarkson, neither of those moves have worked. The other thing I would do is allow them an academy, the northern suburbs of Melbourne that’s their academy zone and any players they can find from there get the preferred option to go to norf outside the draft.
North has an academy in Tasmania, but were denied priority access to Sanders in the 2023 draft because he didn't fall outside the top 40 and the AFL didn't provide it as part of their assistance package. Gold Coast picked up 4 first rounders and will get at least another 2 in the 2024 draft. They will become a force in a few years time on the back of their academy.
@Burningthunder90 Way to take things out of context AGAIN, but then again you are a North hating troll. Your lack of objectivity is at a champion level.
If I was North, I would be going through every list in the comp and targeting veteran players who might be tempted by money. Not just old guys who would come in and be list cloggers, but genuine leaders. Pendlebury, Hawkins, Callan Ward, Luke Parker. Players like that. There are about 20 across the league that I would target. They would only need to land 2 or 3 for it to make a huge difference and they should have loads of salary cap space.
On paper that seems a sensible suggestion, but do you seriously think any of them would come? The only mature players North has been able to attract are other clubs' rejects who then go on to prove why they were unwanted by their previous clubs. The senior players are contributing SFA which is why North is even worse than last year. The other problem is that over the next 1-2 years North needs to try to extend the recently drafted high end young talent they have on their list, which will eat into that salary cap space you refer to. If they leave that too long, some might walk, which would set the club back again. Unfortunately I can't see a solution that would likely have some success, but they need to come up with something.
@@gustaaf1892 they would only come if there home team was going to delist them. No veteran would otherwise leave their club for North when it's success will be years after their retirement.
@@gustaaf1892 I am sure none of them would want to play for North, however money talks and the one thing they should have is a boatload of salary cap space. If they went to Pendlebury and offered him 700k a year for 2 seasons + a guaranteed offer as an assistant coach, it would be hard to say no to. They are absolutely desperate for on-field leadership.
@@stormblessed2673 They wouldn't be coming to North for success, they would be coming for money. And players like Pendlebury, Hawkins, Ward, Zorko, and a number of others wouldn't be getting a lot of money if they stay at their current clubs.
We don't have good leaders on-field and we lack quality key position defenders and forwards. We screwed up picking too many midfielders in the draft. We allowed Luke McDonald to be a co-captain. And the culture of defeatism stemmed from that.
The bottom sides are all there in large part based on the decisions they made in list management. That's totally on them. They didn't have half the team drive a bus off a cliff or get lured away to become Benedictine monks, the state of their lists is due to either incompetence or their plan, either way.....
@@_..Justin-Case.._ Valentino Rossi went from number 1 honda to last place Yamaha and won the championship in his first year there. The eagles still love Judd even though he played more games for the blues and Hodge, Lewis and Mitchell will always be favourite sons at the hawks
@Luke Hodge, is Norths issue their playing list or that they’re not a strongly supported club or well run club and now with Tassie coming in they may be at risk of continuing in the AFL? There are many clubs that can claim no recent success so do you hand out draft picks to them all? Maybe we give North aide to recruit mature players only? No more priority draft picks!!!
It makes me sick when there is any manipulation to the equalisation systems that are in place. If you are shit you will get high picks. Use them. Get free agents in, use your mid season draft. Don't ask for help, it's pathetic
On Higgins.. why does a player "have to be allowed to kick or handball"??? Whats the point of tackling a player if they're supposed to have the right to just stand up and dispose of it. Of course his option is to pin it to himself and get dragged down safely for either a ball up, or HTB. why the fuck does the tackler have to just safely hold him in position? Defenders get goals scored on them when they just wrap the player... It happened twice for Carlton on the weekend! Player not brought to ground = easy disposal. TLDR: The player with the ball has no "right to dispose" of the footy
It's hard to find the right choice of words, but North Melbourne has to leave the AFL competition. The Western Bulldogs in short time also for the benefit of the national competition part ways. 3 teams in Perth, 2 Adelaide teams, 2 Sydney teams, 2 Queensland teams, 1 Tasmanian team and 8 remaining Victorian teams is the best solution for now.
The reality is there are still to many clubs in Melbourne , North should look to a merger with another struggling Melbourne club , in fact 4 teams should Merg into 2 . Then you'll have something closer to an even competition
An abject unwillingness to talk about Sydney. Does ‘they do it differently’ mean we don’t know how to talk about the Swans other than Isaac Heeney and his Brownlow chances? If they beat the giants the thread will likely be how the Giants were off their game.
I used to believe that clubs made their own choices and therefore should face the consequences. There is an unfair issue with a club like North. I preface this by saying I am a Geelong Supporter. North, like the Western Bulldogs, has unfair treatment in so many ways. 1. Building a membership without vast amounts of money (advertising, soft selling etc) is much harder than Geelong, Collingwood, Carlton. 2. In order to build a membership base and improve their revenues the have effectively been forced out of their normal constituents to go for a much smaller base (Tasmania). This has its own issues, and then they have the Tasmanian team come in. Who would you support if you lived in Tasmania? 3. They have been in the Top 8 many times over the last 30-40 years… punching above their weight, but now that 18 and soon to be 19 teams are there it is much harder to stay competitive. 4. There is a culture of jealousy in the AFL where players want to go to successful teams. Coupled with free agency, this means that there is always an advantage to teams that are always near the top. I think we need a proper think-tank to consider how the AFL should go forward in times like these for disadvantaged teams. Collingwood will always have an advantage, but should they always have an advantage. Eg… if the homeground is an advantage, should they always play at the MCG for every match? It is not neutral ground… it is an advantage to know a ground really well. That is one of the reasons that interstate clubs have a great advantage. What are North Melbournes advantages? What are the Western Bulldogs advantages?
We just saw how free-agency stabbed north with McKay. He wasn't a tradable player for North Melbourne he was a developing key-defender. No draft pick was going to cover that loss at least in the short term.
@@Fiasco3 I think there are ways to even up clubs. We need to identify who are the clubs with long term issues… eg North Melbourne, Western Bulldogs etc. where there are systemic issues we then need to find a way to give them a significant advantage for a period of about 10 years. That way they can build success long term. I really do not believe West Coast have an issue this way. Their issues have been short term. Can you imagine Hawthorn, Geelong or Collingwood having extra picks because they are down the bottom? Someone has to be. But when it is systematic… e.g a low financial base, a low membership count, etc, then give them an advantage so that they can build sustainable success. Another way of doing could be, that when a club has been at the top for the previous year (top 6? Top 8?) that they are NOT allowed to poach players from bottom 4 clubs. I know that Geelong had an advantage in this area for many years. They took several from Carlton. I loved it at the time as I am a Geelong supporter, but it has provided a significant success to Geelong over the long term.
@Burningthunder90 I agree. A 10 year plan, not short term, and not long term is needed. It is not about getting them to a premiership. The AFL introduced two new clubs, then are planning at least one, possibly two new clubs. That alone could bankrupt North. Whoever is down the bottom when Tassie come it will remain there for the next 10 years… just as it did when GWS, and Gold Coast came in. We don’t destroy what we have to introduce something that may not work. We have to work with them carefully so that disadvantage is not multiplied. North tried new things financially… they endeavoured, under the AFL’s guidance, to break into the Canberra market… now GWS has that market. They endeavoured to break into Tassie… now Tassie will have that market. North did this because they are caught in no-man’s land. They also have a base of incredibly loyal followers who will be lost to the game (disenfranchised) if we lose this team. They will never follow Collingwood, Carlton, Richmond etc. so we will lose a supporter base, possibly to soccer or rugby. I know if Geelong went under I would follow the rugby rather than go for another team! The AFL have insisted that they try Canberra, try Tassie! Now they have taken away those places and supporters long term. We must think about why a team, which is trying to do the right thing, are being squeezed out? We need a long term solution to them and for them. Not a socialism style of thing… but a way for them to have sustained success long term. So it is a medium term approach that will do this. I don’t have a solution, but I have been watching some of the injustice of this. I am not talking about giving them extra picks. I am talking about evening the playing field which is what the AFL as an organisation were set up to do… otherwise the only teams that would be viable are… Geelong, Richmond, Carlton, Collingwood, West Coast, maybe one of the Adelaide sides. The following teams have needed help in the past just to be viable.. Brisbane, Sydney, GWS, Hawthorn, Western Bulldogs, North Melbourne, Adelaide, Fremantle, Gold Coast, St Kilda, Melbourne, and Port Adelaide. The other teams are strong. A number of these teams above have really become powerhouses given the right board, the right leadership and the right investments. We need North Melbourne in our competition because it provides an alternative to the big names. It is a family club. You can get to games if you have a membership- the big clubs by sheer weight of numbers struggle to do this… try getting a ticket to Carlton/Collingwood, or Richmond/Collingwood when both teams are flying. You can’t unless you prebook weeks in advance. There is a place for those smaller clubs. They sometimes will need help.
AFL should have rationalised the excess number of Melbourne based clubs back at the time of inauguration (late 1980s) when the interstate sides started to come into the league. As usual they lacked the two "for's" that they always lack viz, Fortitude and Foresight. This is now the AFL, not the VFL - the city of Melbourne never could, and never will, be able to supply nine viable teams in a strong national comp. Compulsory merger of (A) Hawthorn & Richmond, and (B) North Melbourne & Essendon must happen. It must start to happen now and be completed within two years. There will be weeping, gnashing of teeth etcetera but this has to happen. Richmond just finished a few years in the sun but will now hibernate for 15 years and the same applies for the other three. If it doesn't happen now we will still be talking about this problem in 10 years time. Move forward and save the national game.
North Melbourne have been here before.. last time all the kids got sacked.. 8 years plans are BS. Clarkson has probably 1 more year to get them at least four places higher.
Roos have the youngest list in afl played the 5 top teams in round 1 to round 5 we have our number 1 key defender out Logue when he comes back and coomben down there as well you will c us being more competitive everyone kicks you when your down it will come all teams have been on the bottom before dont b so contadictive
The talent takes time, and if you are real bad, then you lose players (McKay left essentially because North were so shit). Don’t be surprised if LDU is gone within the next year or two.
Because when only 5,000 people turn up to see North get flogged by the team that can't beat any other teams, and all over the country channels are being changed on TV sets that is bad for EVERYONE associated with the game. Something must be done about it. AFL should have given North 8 goals start every game for 2024 and recalibrated the handicap every year until North could win enough games without a start. Much better for everyone than pouring money and draft picks down the drain.
North is all self inflicted. They delisted 11 senior players in 2020. They might not be playing finals but they would've been much more competitive if they kept their senior players
7 out of 11 of those players couldn't even get into best 22 let alone drive the club forward. 1 had ongoing concussion and another tried to kill himself. People whinge about the afl giving them priority picks but those picks where at the end of the 1st round and had to be traded. Not exactly enticing to a club to trade away a senior player that would actually bring change to north. Not to mention north would never had picked up JHF if daicos wasn't a father/son selection to an already strong club, same with ashcroft and fletcher at the lions
@@Jackripster69 It's about leadership plus they'd still be better than most 1st or 2nd year players. They deliberately tanked and don't deserve priority picks. Otherwise other teams like Saints and Essendon that have been mediocre for prolonged periods would do the same
@@Jackripster69 Completely agree. Priority Picks promotes extreme tanking rather than just mediocre teams. Hawks and Collingwood both dominated 2010 era after getting priority picks
I'm a North member and am sick to death of draft picks, I don't want success gifted on a platter, pull your finger out and work harder, if something is to be done get soft cap relief for development coaches.
Totally agree north fans don’t want it.
Is Darcy a good ruck man yes is Action a unicorn he definitely has the potential to be so look out if they work it out
@Burningthunder90 I think most North fan admit we got a pretty good deal last year. Problem for us is being a small club down the bottom who 'must' trade a pick 22 or whatever they end up was never going to get us quality. We just cant shake out the type of players that 5 or 6 vic clubs would or the SA and WA teams. Look at the players we had to use those picks on, all spuds.
As long as they AFL never go back to giving first round picks again i can live with it.
is "Fremantle back" gets about 3 mins, of which Kane talks about Essendon for a minute and their chances, and then denies Darcy is a better ruck than Jackson, who was clearly fatigued before Sean's return 2 weeks ago - doesn't really extrapolate on the maybe reasons why they 'might' be back?! Utterly clueless and pointless, may as well not bother fellas. Thank god for Gerard Healy, who is always unbiased and complimentary to Freo when warranted.
can't like this comment enough - there was such little depth to that discussion it's not funny
The eastern states dont care for Freo
It's Victorian radio, who cares...Listen to all the Perth stations and all they talk about is Eages & Dockers
@@mitchellandrews984 Exactly lol...
@@mitchellandrews984as a national game, you'd hope teams get the discussion they deserve, but naturally in their state it dominates the footy chat
The assistance North has been given by the AFL has been not much better than worthless because clubs aren't going to offer any quality players for picks that land in the mid 20s that they know have to be traded. Last year the AFL basically said that what they got will be it, so I'm not expecting them to change their mind on that. I wasn't expecting North to win any of their first 7 games, but I didn't expect things to be this bad and getting worse each week. The impact of the experience lost at the end of 2023 through free trade and retirements has hit harder than I thought it would. High quality players won't come to the dumpster fire that North currently is.
Yeah but you have to start from the position that no club should be getting any handouts at all. Scott left because he was convinced they needed to rebuild, but the club didn't listen and made the problem worse.
They don't need any more assistance, they just need patience. Honestly they should have relocated to Tasmania.
Agree, it was little more than tokenism. Meanwhile, well established clubs like Brisbane & Sydney have helped themselves to academy rorts. The double standards applied to North are absurd.
No point giving Norf priority picks if they can’t actually pick the best young talent due to father/son, academy and other draft compromising nonsense
@@worker-wf2em North do pick good choices, then parasite clubs pinch them.
@Burningthunder90 1) I'm aware of that and have no issues with GC & GWS having these "rorts" until they produce father-sons. Sydney & brisbane having the same rorts is a straight up farce. North's "charity" was a joke and a token AFL gesture, considering 8 of your aforementioned 13 clubs have recieved past priority picks that were picks 1, 2 or 3, and many of these clubs on more than 1 occasion! Pick ~20 is BULLSHIT!
Hodge is excellent
Even though Anzac Day was a draw, Collingwood did have a few things to be happy about
-Jamie Elliott Mark of the Year
-Scott Pendlebury’s milestone 10000 disposals
-Tom McGuane collects 38 disposals 10 marks and a goal in a best on ground performance in the Coates League as a bottom ager (2025 is his draft year)
It is time to wind North Melbourne up. There are too many Melbourne clubs and North have the smallest supporter base. With Tassie coming in it would make for a better balanced comp. (I have nothing against them - I loved their sides of the 70s and 90s).
Great idea 50,000 members in a sport thats only played at a reasonable standard in Australia.
Imagine if we "wound up every struggling club. Most clubs would be gone. BTW every club that's struggled had low membership numbers during that time. Put some thought into your comments.
@@kingdavid448 I am not suggesting winding up every struggling club, but the AFL needs to be a more balanced competition.
@@davidw4987 The afl wants to do the opposite of what you're suggesting, that's why they're bringing in Tassie which is great. I don't think they'll stop there. The Northern Territory would be next. A team from there would give you even numbers. North have been with us since 1869 and have 5 premierships and a rich history. Why would you want to get rid of them just because they're not going well atm. They're one of the only clubs making profits and have no debt, not to mention all the work they do in the community.
It's a small supporter base bcos of where they're at, they have a larger support than the dogs, you'll only see it when they get better
Bring back the old priority pick system of 4 wins or less. I think Hawthorn and North should both get high end priority picks. Levi Ashcroft will go to Brisbane, Jagga Smith looks good but is built like Colby Mckercher. Josh Smillie is more of the type of player North needs. 194cm inside mid that can also play forward, down back or as an outside mid. Being a midfield heavy draft class I can see North trading the 1st pick as well.
From 1992-2005 any team that won 5 games or less got a priority pick, from 2006-2012 any team that won 4 games or less got a priority pick. From 2000 to 2020 North were ranked 17th in weeks spent on the bottom of the ladder, they are currently ranked 4th. This team is as bad as Melbourne was from 07-09 and nearly as bad as Carlton from the pre Judd era. Carlton were flooded with priority picks, even infamously losing to melbourne when they both had 4 wins to secure the 1st pick over richmond who had finished last in 2007 for kruezer. Collingwood went to back to back grand finals in 02-03 and by 05 they received pick 2 priority for dale thomas and had pick 5 of their own which was pendlebury. Hawthorn got xavier ellis with the 3rd pick priority that year as well as the 6th pick of their own. Carlton received pick 1 priority for marc murphy and pick 4 of their own which resulted in josh kennedy and ultimately chris judd. Carlton failed to build into a winning list before plummeting back down but these teams were receiving two high draft picks minimum every time they failed to win 4 or 5 games. A team that can barely win 1-2 games a year deserves massive draft compensation repeatedly until they can at least climb out of the bottom 3. For me that includes teams like Hawthorn, who will likely not recieve priority picks based on their clubs history of success.
North made the choices that put them where they are, so surely they should have to make the choices to get them out of the mess that they put themselves in! Don’t reward mediocrity!!
Yes, stop rewarding poor management and poor decision making. They are still making the same mistakes that got them into this mess.
Agreed but the problem is that the AFL are run like a communist state. They don't want any team better or worse than any other team and they will ensure they're "looked after".
Is there any team that's finished last who made the right decisions?
The question is, should the afl help struggling teams? As far as I know they do, that's why there's a draft and salary cap. That's why there are priority picks and academies.
Everyone was telling them for years that their list management and recruiting was terrible. We are talking 12 years+ of neglect. They still haven't recruited vital position players and many a good young player was de-listed because of coaching failure.
One man de-listing all our experience and we've been paying ever since. Also you can't blame the club for JHF leaving. We are still yet to have a number one draft pick in our club. Don't think we need a priority pick but it's been hard to watch North for 5 years.
The biggest problem with North Melbourne is the draft age we went from Club under 19’s to under 18 Comp makes no sense whatsoever, as the salary cap rises the draft becomes more obsolete year after year like it’s so freaking obvious
You would reckon Kane would have some compassion considering his own club engaged in orchestrated draft tampering to obtain Horne-Francis from North.
North also had a chance to trade the #1 pick for 3 first rounders but they decided to draft JHF and let him go for not much. It's woeful mismanagement
North got two first rounders in return for JHF, which landed them Wardlaw in 2022 and Goad in 2023. Given that JHF asked for the trade, that is about the best North could have got. North is now being criticised for not trading out 3 first round picks to get Reid. The Adelaide offer was actually pick 4 + their 2022 1st rounder, as well as Melbourne's 2022 first rounder in exchange for #1 + North's 2022 second rounder.
@@gustaaf1892 they also had to give up pick 1. They should've gotten more especially given what Adelaide offered the year before
@Burningthunder90 Nope, North never offered those three picks. Wrong again.
@@charlesca5763 They couldn't have gotten more. The only reason they got that was because GWS was involved in the trade. They could have refused, in which case North probably would have got less for an out of contract JHF in 2023.
@@gustaaf1892 Except North finished below both SA teams. So if he goes pre-season draft the just pick him up again
Us North fans don't want any hand outs, we need to get out of this hole ourselves
@Burningthunder90 Disappointing to know. The way I look at it is, if we ever become successful again, I wouldn't want an asterisk next to it, I want it to be deserved
@Burningthunder90 they're not in the minority of North fans, you're just basing that off the vocal minority of social media whingers. I don't want handouts, but I just get shitty at the hypocrisy of supporters of clubs like Carlton, Richmond, Brisbane, Melbourne, GC, GWS, etc complain about the handouts to North, when all of those clubs received so much more when they were struggling.
I have a simple philosophy when it comes to footy, they get better by being less shit.
Giving them pick one and two, that’s not gonna work; look at Gold Coast for example they still haven’t made finals since they drafted Noah Anderson and Matt Rowell. What will work however is beefing up their soft cap with direct funding from the afl, they can use the money to hire better medicos, better scouts, and better development staff. North have had something of a messiah complex for a while that’s why they drafted Jason Horne Francis, and that’s why they signed allistair Clarkson, neither of those moves have worked. The other thing I would do is allow them an academy, the northern suburbs of Melbourne that’s their academy zone and any players they can find from there get the preferred option to go to norf outside the draft.
North has an academy in Tasmania, but were denied priority access to Sanders in the 2023 draft because he didn't fall outside the top 40 and the AFL didn't provide it as part of their assistance package. Gold Coast picked up 4 first rounders and will get at least another 2 in the 2024 draft. They will become a force in a few years time on the back of their academy.
@Burningthunder90 Way to take things out of context AGAIN, but then again you are a North hating troll. Your lack of objectivity is at a champion level.
How was the compensation overs? It was as per the rules
Love to listen Hodge pick apart the game. Along Buckley, Phil Davis & Riewoldt.
If I was North, I would be going through every list in the comp and targeting veteran players who might be tempted by money.
Not just old guys who would come in and be list cloggers, but genuine leaders. Pendlebury, Hawkins, Callan Ward, Luke Parker. Players like that.
There are about 20 across the league that I would target. They would only need to land 2 or 3 for it to make a huge difference and they should have loads of salary cap space.
Or they could just stop existing. Nobody would miss them.
On paper that seems a sensible suggestion, but do you seriously think any of them would come? The only mature players North has been able to attract are other clubs' rejects who then go on to prove why they were unwanted by their previous clubs. The senior players are contributing SFA which is why North is even worse than last year. The other problem is that over the next 1-2 years North needs to try to extend the recently drafted high end young talent they have on their list, which will eat into that salary cap space you refer to. If they leave that too long, some might walk, which would set the club back again. Unfortunately I can't see a solution that would likely have some success, but they need to come up with something.
@@gustaaf1892 they would only come if there home team was going to delist them. No veteran would otherwise leave their club for North when it's success will be years after their retirement.
@@gustaaf1892 I am sure none of them would want to play for North, however money talks and the one thing they should have is a boatload of salary cap space.
If they went to Pendlebury and offered him 700k a year for 2 seasons + a guaranteed offer as an assistant coach, it would be hard to say no to. They are absolutely desperate for on-field leadership.
@@stormblessed2673 They wouldn't be coming to North for success, they would be coming for money. And players like Pendlebury, Hawkins, Ward, Zorko, and a number of others wouldn't be getting a lot of money if they stay at their current clubs.
How many do they need to be handed out. Like my team recruitment and listing was poor.
We don't have good leaders on-field and we lack quality key position defenders and forwards. We screwed up picking too many midfielders in the draft. We allowed Luke McDonald to be a co-captain. And the culture of defeatism stemmed from that.
You get it. Someone's actually been watching.
The bottom sides are all there in large part based on the decisions they made in list management. That's totally on them. They didn't have half the team drive a bus off a cliff or get lured away to become Benedictine monks, the state of their lists is due to either incompetence or their plan, either way.....
It would be interesting if Dusty, Yeo McGovern went to north for 2 years and see how that unfolds, for the development of the youth
Dusty to north 😂😂
@@_..Justin-Case.._ Valentino Rossi went from number 1 honda to last place Yamaha and won the championship in his first year there. The eagles still love Judd even though he played more games for the blues and Hodge, Lewis and Mitchell will always be favourite sons at the hawks
Sliding doors moments for sure
That would help a lot tbh, not sure they would though.
Dusty already turned down going to North even for an extra $2.1 million years ago.
@Luke Hodge, is Norths issue their playing list or that they’re not a strongly supported club or well run club and now with Tassie coming in they may be at risk of continuing in the AFL?
There are many clubs that can claim no recent success so do you hand out draft picks to them all?
Maybe we give North aide to recruit mature players only? No more priority draft picks!!!
We have talent on the list, they just need time to develop.
It makes me sick when there is any manipulation to the equalisation systems that are in place. If you are shit you will get high picks. Use them. Get free agents in, use your mid season draft. Don't ask for help, it's pathetic
Yet so many clubs have received much much more before North got table scraps.
Korn had no clue about Freo lol was really squirming
On Higgins.. why does a player "have to be allowed to kick or handball"??? Whats the point of tackling a player if they're supposed to have the right to just stand up and dispose of it. Of course his option is to pin it to himself and get dragged down safely for either a ball up, or HTB. why the fuck does the tackler have to just safely hold him in position? Defenders get goals scored on them when they just wrap the player... It happened twice for Carlton on the weekend! Player not brought to ground = easy disposal.
TLDR: The player with the ball has no "right to dispose" of the footy
No, North have been given the kitchen sink. If they can't get themselves out of this with that playing group and coach, then what can you do..
North should head north and become the NT team (eventually, when the NT's up to it).
I think it’s time for North to be merged. There is no future for them in Melbourne
It's hard to find the right choice of words, but North Melbourne has to leave the AFL competition. The Western Bulldogs in short time also for the benefit of the national competition part ways. 3 teams in Perth, 2 Adelaide teams, 2 Sydney teams, 2 Queensland teams, 1 Tasmanian team and 8 remaining Victorian teams is the best solution for now.
The reality is there are still to many clubs in Melbourne , North should look to a merger with another struggling Melbourne club , in fact 4 teams should Merg into 2 . Then you'll have something closer to an even competition
An abject unwillingness to talk about Sydney. Does ‘they do it differently’ mean we don’t know how to talk about the Swans other than Isaac Heeney and his Brownlow chances? If they beat the giants the thread will likely be how the Giants were off their game.
The whole freo segment was pretty much talking about essendon 😂
I used to believe that clubs made their own choices and therefore should face the consequences. There is an unfair issue with a club like North.
I preface this by saying I am a Geelong Supporter.
North, like the Western Bulldogs, has unfair treatment in so many ways.
1. Building a membership without vast amounts of money (advertising, soft selling etc) is much harder than Geelong, Collingwood, Carlton.
2. In order to build a membership base and improve their revenues the have effectively been forced out of their normal constituents to go for a much smaller base (Tasmania). This has its own issues, and then they have the Tasmanian team come in. Who would you support if you lived in Tasmania?
3. They have been in the Top 8 many times over the last 30-40 years… punching above their weight, but now that 18 and soon to be 19 teams are there it is much harder to stay competitive.
4. There is a culture of jealousy in the AFL where players want to go to successful teams. Coupled with free agency, this means that there is always an advantage to teams that are always near the top.
I think we need a proper think-tank to consider how the AFL should go forward in times like these for disadvantaged teams.
Collingwood will always have an advantage, but should they always have an advantage.
Eg… if the homeground is an advantage, should they always play at the MCG for every match? It is not neutral ground… it is an advantage to know a ground really well. That is one of the reasons that interstate clubs have a great advantage.
What are North Melbournes advantages? What are the Western Bulldogs advantages?
We just saw how free-agency stabbed north with McKay. He wasn't a tradable player for North Melbourne he was a developing key-defender. No draft pick was going to cover that loss at least in the short term.
@@Fiasco3 I think there are ways to even up clubs. We need to identify who are the clubs with long term issues… eg North Melbourne, Western Bulldogs etc. where there are systemic issues we then need to find a way to give them a significant advantage for a period of about 10 years. That way they can build success long term.
I really do not believe West Coast have an issue this way. Their issues have been short term.
Can you imagine Hawthorn, Geelong or Collingwood having extra picks because they are down the bottom? Someone has to be. But when it is systematic… e.g a low financial base, a low membership count, etc, then give them an advantage so that they can build sustainable success.
Another way of doing could be, that when a club has been at the top for the previous year (top 6? Top 8?) that they are NOT allowed to poach players from bottom 4 clubs.
I know that Geelong had an advantage in this area for many years. They took several from Carlton. I loved it at the time as I am a Geelong supporter, but it has provided a significant success to Geelong over the long term.
@Burningthunder90 I agree. A 10 year plan, not short term, and not long term is needed. It is not about getting them to a premiership.
The AFL introduced two new clubs, then are planning at least one, possibly two new clubs.
That alone could bankrupt North. Whoever is down the bottom when Tassie come it will remain there for the next 10 years… just as it did when GWS, and Gold Coast came in.
We don’t destroy what we have to introduce something that may not work. We have to work with them carefully so that disadvantage is not multiplied.
North tried new things financially… they endeavoured, under the AFL’s guidance, to break into the Canberra market… now GWS has that market. They endeavoured to break into Tassie… now Tassie will have that market. North did this because they are caught in no-man’s land. They also have a base of incredibly loyal followers who will be lost to the game (disenfranchised) if we lose this team. They will never follow Collingwood, Carlton, Richmond etc. so we will lose a supporter base, possibly to soccer or rugby. I know if Geelong went under I would follow the rugby rather than go for another team!
The AFL have insisted that they try Canberra, try Tassie! Now they have taken away those places and supporters long term.
We must think about why a team, which is trying to do the right thing, are being squeezed out? We need a long term solution to them and for them. Not a socialism style of thing… but a way for them to have sustained success long term. So it is a medium term approach that will do this.
I don’t have a solution, but I have been watching some of the injustice of this.
I am not talking about giving them extra picks. I am talking about evening the playing field which is what the AFL as an organisation were set up to do… otherwise the only teams that would be viable are…
Geelong, Richmond, Carlton, Collingwood, West Coast, maybe one of the Adelaide sides.
The following teams have needed help in the past just to be viable..
Brisbane, Sydney, GWS, Hawthorn, Western Bulldogs, North Melbourne, Adelaide, Fremantle, Gold Coast, St Kilda, Melbourne, and Port Adelaide.
The other teams are strong. A number of these teams above have really become powerhouses given the right board, the right leadership and the right investments.
We need North Melbourne in our competition because it provides an alternative to the big names. It is a family club. You can get to games if you have a membership- the big clubs by sheer weight of numbers struggle to do this… try getting a ticket to Carlton/Collingwood, or Richmond/Collingwood when both teams are flying. You can’t unless you prebook weeks in advance.
There is a place for those smaller clubs. They sometimes will need help.
@Burningthunder90 Other fans are dumb he was our number one intercept marking defender at time of his departure.
Same guys who don't want Greenwood playing, despite him being our best tackler and ball distributer.
AFL should have rationalised the excess number of Melbourne based clubs back at the time of inauguration (late 1980s) when the interstate sides started to come into the league.
As usual they lacked the two "for's" that they always lack viz,
Fortitude and Foresight.
This is now the AFL, not the VFL - the city of Melbourne never could, and never will, be able to supply nine viable teams in a strong national comp.
Compulsory merger of (A) Hawthorn & Richmond, and (B) North Melbourne & Essendon must happen.
It must start to happen now and be completed within two years.
There will be weeping, gnashing of teeth etcetera but this has to happen. Richmond just finished a few years in the sun but will now hibernate for 15 years and the same applies for the other three.
If it doesn't happen now we will still be talking about this problem in 10 years time.
Move forward and save the national game.
Roo wasn't the real priority pick we always were getting him at 1, Kosi was the pick and he was shit after the KO.
Collingwood and Port Adl top of the ladder or should be
Other than Gold Coast, only 2 teams haven’t made the GF this century, 25 seasons: North Melbourne and Carlton.
So 3 teams
The players are all very generously paid anyway. They don't need more. Donate the money to help the homeless or withdrawal services.
Stop giving them picks when they waste them on Philips and ignore taking stars.
If they are still on the bottom when Tassie come in, kick them out and no problems about the weekly bye then.
Give us a couple of years we will be there we arnt gonna complete a youth rebuild in a couple of months
North Melbourne have been here before.. last time all the kids got sacked.. 8 years plans are BS. Clarkson has probably 1 more year to get them at least four places higher.
Np more priority picks for The Roos they've been given more than enough.
Fair enough.
Roos have the youngest list in afl played the 5 top teams in round 1 to round 5 we have our number 1 key defender out Logue when he comes back and coomben down there as well you will c us being more competitive everyone kicks you when your down it will come all teams have been on the bottom before dont b so contadictive
Whats funny ia how many people have no idea what they are talking about.
North is fine why all the fuss young guns everywhere that need 2, 3, 4 or 5 years in the gym… Duursma likely best yet with the body of a 16 yr old
Point is young talent gets you nowhere without some experience to lead and set an example for them.
@@taliamason7986 I hear that but name names not including goldstein
The talent takes time, and if you are real bad, then you lose players (McKay left essentially because North were so shit). Don’t be surprised if LDU is gone within the next year or two.
Just fold them. They should have just swallowed their pride and move to the Gold Coast.
Why is Corn wearing a suit on radio 😂
All radio broadcasts are live streamed these days, every minute on radio you are on camera these days
Guessing he was on his way to film Footy Classified
The AFL have been propping up NM for years and for what; they are a basket case and deserve to go the way of Fitzroy
Flagmantle
I’m sorry but north done it to themselves, they had picks 2 and 3 this year why give them more again
North we're 'given' those picks thats stupid logic. Unless you saying EVERY pick any team ever gets is 'given' which stupid logic.
In 1 word NO
just don't get why people get still talking about us like omg talk about other stuff
Because when only 5,000 people turn up to see North get flogged by the team that can't beat any other teams, and all over the country channels are being changed on TV sets that is bad for EVERYONE associated with the game. Something must be done about it.
AFL should have given North 8 goals start every game for 2024 and recalibrated the handicap every year until North could win enough games without a start. Much better for everyone than pouring money and draft picks down the drain.
@@chrisdepasquale4307 talking like you are in the media champ haha one win and will be full of confidence
North to the VFL please
Move the Kangaroos to Canberra.
Absolutely no
Bloke on the right is terrible. Higgins not eligible for 'good bloke' card. Gossip style garbage anaylsis. Flick him he's not needed
Also the carry on about MOTY prize.. who could care about that
North is all self inflicted. They delisted 11 senior players in 2020. They might not be playing finals but they would've been much more competitive if they kept their senior players
7 out of 11 of those players couldn't even get into best 22 let alone drive the club forward. 1 had ongoing concussion and another tried to kill himself. People whinge about the afl giving them priority picks but those picks where at the end of the 1st round and had to be traded. Not exactly enticing to a club to trade away a senior player that would actually bring change to north. Not to mention north would never had picked up JHF if daicos wasn't a father/son selection to an already strong club, same with ashcroft and fletcher at the lions
How many of those are first 22 at other teams? Or even got picked up at all.
@@Jackripster69 It's about leadership plus they'd still be better than most 1st or 2nd year players. They deliberately tanked and don't deserve priority picks. Otherwise other teams like Saints and Essendon that have been mediocre for prolonged periods would do the same
@@charlesca5763 In that case no club should ever get a PP because they shouldve kept players who arent AFL standard.
@@Jackripster69 Completely agree. Priority Picks promotes extreme tanking rather than just mediocre teams. Hawks and Collingwood both dominated 2010 era after getting priority picks