I don't think the average desktop user cares if it's a "Frankengnome" experience or not, nor do I think anyone should care if it's consistent with other distros' implementation of Gnome. The only thing that really matters is its internal consistency. Does the desktop function properly, is it user friendly, intuitive, and a solid upgrade from the previous LTS. Internal consistency > external consistency for Ubuntu.
This is something that i did not understand in his complaint at all, i mean, people that are just getting into the Linux world have absolute zero clue about what is what, and probably have no interest in changing distros all the time, they just go to the ones that people recommends for begginers and stick with it, same with the average users, they just want a working computer to carry on with they daily tasks. And the rest of us veterans coundn't care less, since we all make a distro our own and change everything we don't like anyways. And let's be honest here, comparing it to Fedora, i mean, with the amount of work you need to make Fedora work properly in the first place, the least of the concerns is inconsistency with applications versions.
Some of the Gnome 42 components actually lack certain features, so it makes sense that they use the old ones. The new Gnome Console and Text Editor just aren't as usable.
I'm typing this on my ubuntu desktop. I have fedora on my laptop. I honestly setup them both up how I like to work and forget about it. I don't notice much.
Definitely... I'm a complete noob when it comes to Linux and I've been trying out many different distro. BUT, they are all so confusing to setup and make them work. That was until I used Ubuntu. Everything works, I don't have to set up much and not waste hours of research to find a solution for something small.
As a developer who is highly focused on just getting work done, I personally don't care much for Gnome issues or anything related to the desktop, so long as it runs fine. Snaps are ok, I can't complain much but I will be wary if one does run slow. I think there are too many people focusing too much on graphics/desktop experience (not that it's not important, I do want Ubuntu to look nice) when we should be focusing on making sure that system level packages and the kernel continue to be stable and support a wide variety of hardware.
I think that view is very much because of your training as a Dev. You are more nuts and bolts but as a designer myself I avoid Linux due to the lack of UX/UI design, I need easily accessible options and I really don't want to be typing through terminal for everything. Lucky there is a zillion distro's available for everyone.
@@bakeraus I also work with design, and have to say that the vast majority of linux distros have really poor ui/ux. Im using Fedora 36 with Gnome and imo it has the best experience for a non-programmer/dev. Its fast (no, I dont care if using a wm as de is faster, I value my time), modern, beautiful, and does work out of the box. I do install some addons, but the minimalistic approach of gnome did improve my workflow and productivity (using workspaces and keyboard shortcuts makes a huge difference).
Firefox Snap starting slowly isn't the only problem. It also lacks Gnome extension integration so you can't install extensions to customise Gnome any more using Firefox on Ubuntu. Also some Firefox extensions like the KeepassXC extension won't work because of the sandbox.
The gnome extension problem is being addressed with an update to xdg-desktop-portal to allow "native messaging" proposed by ubuntu/snapd developers. Benefit being that it will result in Flatpak browsers also being able to use the gnome extension plugin. Hopefully lands sooner rather than later
@@nightmayr354 did they fix the problem with active directory integration as well? It's a shame that such unfinished solution make it into a LTS release🤨
@@nightmayr354 I’m not holding my breath. This particular bug was reported several years ago and it’s still unresolved as far as I know. Ubuntu users are just going to have to find their own workarounds for installing and managing shell extensions because Canonical doesn’t care about user experience anymore.
Well pointed out, Dan. I think your comment is far more relevant than the start-up speed issue which only tends to annoy on first launch. Those extensions and other limits of sandboxing are the elephant in the room that not many are talking about. Glad you reminded us of that. And, flatpak's elephant in the room is the awful mess they cause when launching from a terminal or from inside shell scripts. I hope others, and Jay, pick up on this and can give some suggestions. Cheers
I run Ubuntu 21.10 on my main desktop PC and Video DownloadHelper no longer functions properly, due to the snap sandbox. *sigh* I haven't tried Ubuntu 22.04 but I'll upgrade my mom's computer when it's available. :)
Hey Jay. I have been a Linux user for around a year now but I didn't discover your youtube work until about 8 months ago. Since then, I have regularly watched your content and enjoyed all of it. I have learnt more than a few things too! Just wanted to say how much I appreciate your work.
Hey LearnLinuxTV, great review but i have some arguments to defend Ubuntu. Ubuntu's Frankengnome (the package name is ubuntu-desktop for a reason) is actually great, more consistent and arguably better than stock gnome. 1) Most people would customize gnome to a point similar to Frankengnome 2) Most people don't care their calculator is one version behind or what Gnome version they are in, they care that it works. 3) GTK4 and Libadwaita, even through they are on a stable version, lack a lot of important features and refinement. Putting those on an LTS is an awful idea. 4) The new apps are even more lacking in features than the original, so why is it a big deal? 5) They tested very well this release to ensure stability and user experience, for example they added the dynamic triple buffering patch early. That allows the gnome animations to display smoothly on almost all hardware (made gnome work on my laptop). 6) Then, criticize Pop_OS! And Zorin. As their modifications based on Ubuntu's Gnome are actually even a worse Frankenstein, to the point they constantly crash, have tons of UI bugs and cause even more fragmentation. 7) The decision to change Firefox to a snap was because of Mozilla, blame them, not Ubuntu. The Firefox snap is very optimized now, it's almost perfect, thanks to all the people who tested it on 21.10 and complained (Canonical at any time can change Firefox back, or improve snaps and push the updates) Also, PPAs and Flatpaks exist to change Firefox to a more usable browser.
He thinks Gnome ignoring what everyone asks for and Gnome not including basic features is Ubuntu's fault some how. If anything it's Ubuntu's fault for not dropping gnome entirely.
Very nice! Oddly enough this is the best implementation of Gnome I've seen in a long time and the ease of changing accent colour and (for the first time) frankengnome feels like a decent implementation of GNOME for me specifically. In my 3 years on linux desktop I'm actually very keen to give Ubuntu a try.
The approach that they took was good. The newer programs of Gnome 42 lack a lot of features. This would be a major problem for a lts release. The default text editor in Gnome 42 in particular is a big example.
If new users are confused by inconsistent gnome it's gnome's fault for failing to take constructive criticism about included features. It's not Ubuntu's fault they need to hack gnome, tho personally I think they should just drop gnome altogether.
Firefox Snap package is actually Mozilla's decision and not Canonical's. In my opinion 22.04 is a great LTS release. If Linux want to "compete" against Windows and Mac this is they way. Bravo.
Ubuntu team just nailed it. The looks, customization, compatibility, and updated software make it a great operating system for work, fun or recommending.
I have done a lot of distro hopping. but I've always relied on Canonical. I've been using Ubuntu as my daily driver for eighteen years - I appreciate it's dependability, and style - it just seems to work. Thank you Canonical.
Jay, I like your channel and what you do, but the arguments that you made for this review are a bit strange. For one thing Ubuntu 22.04 is Ubuntu, it is not a Gnome release. If Ubuntu choose to put a different variety of features then that is their choice. For example, is the distribution a lesser release because gedit than the text editor in Gnome 42 plain vanilla? Or is the Gnome 42 terminal much better than the one released in Ubuntu 22.04? If they choose a set of software to support for a number of years, it is because they have assessed that it is the best set of packages for that support period. As for the snap verses flatpak argument, I am not even going to comment -- both have advantages and disadvantages. Again, if Ubuntu choose to release a number of apps as snaps, it is their prerogative. Yes snaps are slower to load, but trying to look at it from Canonical's perspective, they choose to put it out their so it gets used and then can be refined. If the code just sits in the repository and is unused then it will never advance. Overall, I think your review was a disappointment. A lot of the positive things you talked about Pop_OS as being unique tailoring of a particular Gnome base you lauded as being good, but many of them are not. They are just plain quirky code that is inconsistent with the overall plain vanilla Gnome theme. You didn't refer to Pop_OS as a Franken-Gnome release. Again, It is System76's choice to do that. It is important you review a distro as a holistic solution, not merely as a spray-painted different color of one part of the release, namely the Display Environment. It is an Ubuntu release not a Gnome release, just as much as System76's distro is a Pop_OS release rather than a different coloured Gnome. (For full disclosure on my part, I am not an Ubuntu fanboy, I do not really warm to Gnome. I prefer Plasma, which is also far from consistent.) Anyway, I appreciate your reviews and video tutorials and hope you take my comments in a positive light as I value your work. Cheers and thanks, Paul
Are you surprised? Linux review channels want Ubuntu to be seen as "the bad distro" because it's easy to use and just works. The new libadwaita apps in GNOME 42 are a joke, as is GTK 4 and its terrible text rendering which GNOME upstream *refused* to fix. Why do people even bother with GNOME anymore? Every day I wonder why Ubuntu killed off Unity when it has been clear since 2011 that GNOME don't even know what they're doing anymore.
Unfortunately, the "true GNOME experience" leaves much to be desired given that it deliberately leaves out things that most other OS's, DE's, apps and humans still heavily rely on (like the system tray and a glance-able panel/dock). It also contains inconsistencies within itself (Nautilus isn't GTK4, but Text Editor is, for example). Given how many people complain about GNOME's minimalism-to-a-fault I think their "vision" is fighting an uphill battle. So I think Ubuntu's implementation of GNOME is probably the best there is right now, and the key thing is that their extensions and modifications are supported and optimized by the Ubuntu team making them first class citizens unlike most other extensions out there, solving one big issue people have with having to use extensions to fix GNOME's basic shortcomings.
I use Ubuntu in a 14 year old pc with Intel Core2 Quad CPU Q9550 and 8gb ddr2 ram. Coming from 20.04 LTS, 22.04 LTS feels like I upgraded my PC to a modern system. The computer is SUPER FAST, super smooth and very stable (I 've been using it since day 1). I was very skeptical installing 22.04 in the beginning because I was thinking that despite the requirements, the new OS would come heavy on the old pal. I was very surprised even with the installation process which has never been SO fast. I am very happy with the distro and the job Canonical has done. This is definitely my favorite version of Ubuntu and a huge turn towards their old self. Thanks for the video, but I think that you 've been a bit harsh on your judgement.
I just installed Ubuntu on a couple of older laptops, and you're right ... thinking back to my previous trials of Linux, this install was a lot faster than what I remember from the past.
I for one as someone who has not been a big Ubuntu fan in the past, am really liking this release. I normally run OpenSuse but wanted to give this release a look, and so far I am enjoying it. I've been going through my steam library and everything is running fine, development environments are doing their thing, and I like the feel of it overall. So far no complaints.
From wiki: The first LTS releases were supported for three years on the desktop and five years on the server; since Ubuntu 12.04 LTS, desktop support for LTS releases was increased to five years as well.[34][35][36] LTS releases get regular point releases with support for new hardware and integration of all the updates published in that series to date.[37]
It is the best implementation of gnome. This version of Ubuntu is now one of my favorite distros. Snaps is here to stay and it is getting better especially here in Ubuntu. One of my previous dislikes with snaps was permissions but this has been fixed here since the Ubuntu software has the permission settings available.
Exactly... I'm glad they didn't adopt all the new libadwaita apps. They're ugly and have horrible font rendering, which GNOME/GTK upstream are *refusing* to fix it because "blah blah supixel rendering is too hard to maintain". Same bull##it excuse they gave when they removed desktop icons and status indicators. Same excuse why they don't officially support theming, same excuse why there's no extension API. "Too hard to maintain". As if GNOME hasn't got the most paid hands working on it from Red Hat, Canonical, SUSE, etc. What a joke of a desktop.
I never understand these OS release reviews. All the focus is on the desktop environment. Who cares? I want to know if the OS is solid, can you install boot/root on any choice of filesystem, add root encryption. What happens if you pull the power during a heavy file copy operation? How does it benchmark against previous versions? If you soak test it for a week with a range of automated functions what errors appear? Hit it with a bunch of devices and hardware. Pore through the logs for error messages. Install the top 50 apps and see what fails. We want to see thorough OS reviews and not some obsession with themes and text editors.
“The linux community has been unfairly biased against snaps” WAT. Its faults are known, communicated, and not addressed for years now. Canonical could correct all issues if they wanted to. Snap developer leads have left the company and are building tools to remove it(unsnapped).
Facts and fiction! Fiction: The lead developer you mentioned never worked on snaps, he was selected as manager of the Ubuntu project by Canonical. After a few years, Canonical and he came to the conclusion, that it would be better for both, that he moved on. Facts: Snaps are the best new format. 1. With the appimage; flatpak and the Windows exe format each hacker can start an own "repository" and infect your computer. 2. If e.g the developer makes an error and the new version does not work for you, you can rollback the snap locally. 3. Snaps updates are fast, because they only send the difference between release n and n+1. My last Firefox update to release 99.0.1 did take ~ 2 seconds (download and installation).
@@bertnijhof5413 “snaps are the best new format” is an *opinion* not a *fact* They are terrible and leading down the route of an apple AppStore. Canonical can fuck right off with their despicable, sneakily implemented features (they have form with this too having Amazon spyware a few years back) No operating system that forces snaps on the user is ever going onto my machine.
@@bertnijhof5413 Can start their own repo and infect your computer? So every linux distro / package manager is susceptible even outside of flatpak and appimage? Ok. That is some Apple walled garden nonsense. Does that mean you view Canonical as the ministry of truth?
@@keyboard_g You clearly don't understand the issue. The complaint about snaps is that Canonical runs a central repository, while e.g everybody has the freedom to set up a flatpak repository. Consequentially hackers can also setup a flatpak repository. Is this explanation simple enough for you?
I have been on the linux learning curve now for almost 10 years - most of that time (until about a year ago) ubuntu was my OS of choice. This was because it was quite user friendly and has a huge support network. One of the big reasons for me switching to Mint was the snap pkg system; I found it so annoying it became intolerable. I have been extremely happy with Mint to date. I may reconsider ubuntu if and when they get the bugs out of snap. Thanks for you great videos - am currently working through your proxmox series. Regards from Burnaby BC.
I have been using Linux for a similar period. The reason I can't seem to stick with mint is I don't really like the DEs they offer. They feel dated in comparison with the big 2. And installing a DE they don't support on top, is just a hassle since it leaves the user to iron out the kinks.
The way around "Frankengnome" is just to install vanilla gnome. After running 'sudo apt update' and 'sudo apt upgrade' type 'sudo apt install vanilla-gnome-desktop; (without the single quotes). Then reboot and check at the login screen that Gnome is loaded and enjoy!
@@ps5hasnogames55 How is it unusable? It works just as intended as any other Desktop Environments. And personally speaking, I don't want extensions shoved down my throat, I'd rather install vanilla gnome and add any extensions I want than to have Gnome that's loaded with extensions(such as Ubuntu) and try to remove all unnecessary extensions that I don't need.
@@KatyushaLauncher you say that as if it isn't a simple `sudo apt install gnome-session` to get vanilla gnome with no extensions on ubuntu lol, not that you'd want it anyway since everything about vanilla GNOME is backwards
@@ps5hasnogames55 That's the reason why I don't use Ubuntu for the fact that getting Vanilla GNOME will not be that simple. Again how is Vanilla GNOME Backwards? It works just fine on 2 of my Desktops
@@KatyushaLauncher how is it not simple? install one package, and log in as the "GNOME" session instead of "ubuntu desktop" lmfaooooo. Vanilla GNOME is backwards because the interface is terribly designed, simple as that.
Overall, I actually really like the release so far. I am actually impressed with the updated dock. It looks awesome and works great. The desktop icons i don't really use but I did find a toggle in the settings to integrate with nemo instead of nautilus, which I prefer. The snap packages are fine, I guess, though flatpaks would have been preferable, just for the extra features (and apps). The software center has been by far the biggest blemish for me. It fails to uninstall apps, does not integrate with the search, has misleading entries (text editor, gnome software) and somehow the repos offer newer versions than snaps do for some apps(gimp,kate,obs). Finally, the Qt theming is completely absent and left completely for the end user to figure out. If manjaro can do it, then why not canonical?
The slow-launch issue with firefox snap isn't something you need to work around. It only happens the first time you run it. After that, it acts the same as the deb package, even after a restart.
a quick sudo do-release-upgrade -d GUI method was the easiest, the background color theme does not change in terminal, too bad, only your characters do change by altering theme colors. Thanks for the review!
Upstream Gnome 42 is 'franken-Gnome' and looks like an "inconsistent mess" visually. Actually I never really liked gedit but there may be people who use it for over 10 or over 20 years. Why not include that in an LTS release ? The next LTS can have all the new apps and the old apps who will get ported to gtk4 etc.
Libadwaita will be the reason for the FrankenGnome and Libadwaita not being compatible with theming such as the Ubuntu's Yaru theme. The same reason that Pop OS will be forking the Gnome desktop. I think Ubuntu's was a reasonable choice I guess they will be working on a modified version of Libadwaita compatible with Yaru for future releases? I've gone back to Ubuntu after using other desktops for a while and am liking it although I have replaced Snap Firefox with an apt version using the Mozilla ppa.
Thank god the keep back some stuff to test it because Ubuntu is not «betadora» , for starters you can install it without tearing your eyes with that horrible fedora installer. Consistency is great balanced with stability in Ubuntu. That is what they are thinking…. Gnome 42 in arch based distros too has a lot of bugs that are not present in Ubuntu 22.04 …that is the difference between an OS for work and an os for experimental use.
If I was to use Ubuntu I would purge the Firefox snap and install the Firefox tar. Starts up immediately and is always up to date. Even more so than the snap or flatpak. And I would only use it with Dash to panel extension. Which I now can because it's updated for Gnome 42.
Accessory apps do not a desktop environment make. The *version of your gnome install* is about shell, settings, dock/panel/dash, overview, dialogs, and anything else actively enforcing a standard across apps.
In my experience, 14.04 was the last rock solid release by Canonical. After 14.04, every release felt buggy and unpolished. I switched to Fedora and KDE to avoid all the problems that have plaged Ubuntu for years. I would like to go back, just for the nostalgia, but criticisms have arisen and I think I will wait a couple of months and give it a shot via Virtualbox.
Kind of odd that you switched to KDE to get away from buggy and unpolished. As much as I want to like KDE (I ran it for months on openSUSE Tumbleweed), it's never been anything BUT buggy, even if left completely bone-stock vanilla. It's usable, but has graphical glitches and random bugs and hangs/crashes all over the place. I get that Gnome isn't everyone's thing, but on my various computers it's always felt MUCH more stable and polished.
@@stephenwilson0386 Gnome 3 never was my cup of tea. Also, Kate, Dolphin and Yakuake are part of my workflow. KDE is indeed buggy, but works way better in Fedora and Arch than Kubuntu. I also like XFCE and it was my DE of choice between 2006 and 2009, but Lubuntu 20.04 was a complete disappointment. My point is that Ubuntu and derivatives are no longer a no brainer choice due to unpolished releases.
I like Ubuntu Mate. Simple and solid. I’ve used many different distros and BSDs since the 90’s and never liked RH/Fedora. I’m using now Ubuntu server on my 2 servers, RHEL on my desktop and giving a test drive of the newest version of my favourite Slackware. With Mate I find that everything works as intended and fast. KDE is a bloated & buggy nightmare, in my experience, and always has been. The thing I do not like in deb/rpm based distros is over complicating basic stuff like all the settings, configs, startup etc. and usually just to suit their package manager. Especially Debian seems to be build around it.
2:18 The colour calibration is very wrong for the display your using. It looks exactly how my second monitor looked this morning after a fresh install of 22.04
Now that Firefox and Chromium are both snap packages, it's the hardest it has ever been to customize Gnome since extensions are broken on the snap versions of web browsers :(
i have a problem where the battery indicator is really out of sync and showing delayed battery status i once thought my battery was at 30% but quickly my pc powered off this is somewhat annoying to me
Generally speaking, I like what Canonical have done here. For the general user, I doubt they will be checking package versions as closely, and having the old reliable gedit and terminal can be argued to be a good thing. Between Linux enthusiasts in the know, these things matter and it says something about its place within the broader Linux ecosystem of software. However, to many that simply use Ubuntu, they may not care much at all. It looks mostly consistent to the uninformed user. Personally, my gripe with it is again Snap packages. I wish there were an easy way to turn off Snap and enable Flatpack. I appreciate what Canonical were trying to do, and that they cannot simply abandon it now, however, I believe the community has spoken, and Flatpack has won out.
I havent done this yet but my understanding is you can uninstall Snap. Personally I recently setup Flatpack with Debian stable. It worked much better for me.
The 9 months support with the interim releases doesn't bother me. I always update to the latest release as soon as it's available. 22.04 is excellent, with some very fresh packages across the board, for now. When 22.10 is released, I'll update to that. I recently changed from using Debian Sid for my daily driver to Xubuntu with Cinnamon added. I don't have a problem with the snaps being used now in Xubuntu and all other ubuntu flavors.
I didn't really noticed anything messy about appearance of Ubuntu. They seem to be fixing what Gnome breaks. I think the desktop could be in completely different place if Unity 7 was not killed but evolve during those lost years. Mir was a mistake when Unity was not.
Mir wasn't even a mistake. Wayland is terrible and still missing several features that Wayland upstream *refuse* to implement (e.g. the ability to turn off Vsync) because Wayland is owned by Red Hat which also owns GNOME. There's a reason GNOME is the only desktop that works properly on Wayland.
If anyone uses Haskell, event handling in SDL does not work on jammy jellyfish. I had to downgrade back to focal fossa in order to use SDL and Haskell.
I couldn’t get Gnome to sort desktop icons with folders first, then files, each category alphabetized, so I switched to the Nemo desktop. In the terminal, type sudo apt install nemo. Open Startup applications and add nemo-desktop. In Extensions, turn off Desktop Icons NG. Log out and back in. On the desktop, folders are displayed first, then files, each alphabetized. Nemo desktop also auto arranges icons on the fly.
Points out that the text editor was held back due to a lack of testing, but version 42 of text editor is only up to release candidate status in the same video. Users can't test version 42 not because Canonical held it back, but because Gnome hasn't actually released version 42.
Grr Wayland! For headless machines without physical monitors that use VNC to connect, it is a big pain requiring a hardware dongle to simulate a connected monitor.
After a kernel update broke my 2007 iMac's WiFi card on Fedora, I was forced to install Ubuntu. I did a minimal instal, no extra apps, so I could install everything my way: I installed Brave (my browser of choice) as an apt package from Brave repositories, uninstalled the Firefox Snap, and everything else I installed as a Flatpakeither from Flathub or Fedora remotes. The only thing that I could not make work was the Pop-Shell extention in order to have window tiling. I live Fedora's approach to vanilla gnome and this is the closest I could get while having my Broadcom BCM4321 wireless card working. Besides, since this iMac will eventually go to my aunt, I think LTS is the way to go.
Ubuntu is nice, but I always seem to get a hang up on Audio and Wireless divers. If they just would focus on improving support for Networking, Audio, and Video - that covers most uses for most people. The upgrade is beautiful - very smooth and easy to use desktop. Thanks GNOME ! :-)
wow. it seems "Upgrades to the Ubuntu 22.04 LTS release are currently not enabled due to a bug with the snapd and update-notifier packages. Canonical says that the upgrade path will be opened in the next couple of days."
The biggest problem is as always the inclusion of snap, I always install deb if possible. That’s probably not a problem if you’re using a new computer, but the beauty of linux during the years that I’ve been using it in that it’s sleek if you want to. I not good enough in math but I started before Slackware 1.0 was released, so it’s a couple of years ago. Anyway, this LTS is much better than every Ubuntu release the last 10 years, maybe even 12. It’s only snobs who complain, do you remember when you had to compile your Xorg by yourself to get a desktop? I can remember that one time in I 1996 I was so frustrated that I even bought an CDE CD and did install it on my computer. But then again GNOME or KDE didn’t exist. I’m okay with this frankenstein version, it feels solid on the desktop. Next week I’ll install a Gluster cluster, that will be fun since they’ve jumped up to a decent version now. Cheers guys 🍻
I think for a debian base distro that supports long term support, this is about the only one that gives the most up to date packages. If you're willing to jump over to RHEL, some will argue Fedora which is technically not considered LTS and more of Rocky Linux falls into this spot. Rocky lags behind on packages. Anyways, long and short of it. I'm back using Ubuntu as my daily desktop driver and using Debain for only my servers.
I love using gnome extensions. Unfortunately a Snap install of Firefox makes this feature not longer available. I realize there is a trade off between usability and security, but this is one of my favorite features. I know I could download the deb and install it to avoid this Snap version. But that is one more thing I have to do post install, and I would have to update Firefox manually. I could just distro hop too something else where extensions still function. Like relationships, she(ubuntu) has changed from that likable gal I knew. I guess I will be moving on. Hey Debian ..how you do'en ;)
As an IT I've used Ubuntu desktop for many years. I upgraded from 16.04 last week and I've been struggling with 22.04 version. I mainly need remote access, Firefox, Thunderbird, remmina and a terminal. The upgrade from command line did not go well, had to do a fresh install and lots of cashes and configurations were lost on the way. Remote access is buggy and a nightmare. Gnome crashes a lot on many levels..... Not happy.
The updated apps held back are the ones ported to GTK4 and libadwaita. I dont think these apps would work with the accent colour until gnome implements the re-colour API to libadwaita.
As an Ubuntu user I really don't notice or care for that fragmentation you mention, I do care that is a great desktop experience which it's. I believe you're make a big deal about a thing most users will not notice or care about. Also Ubuntu is not replacing components of GNOME, for something different, they're are just keeping components on relatively recent previous versions, so there's no strong merit on claims, that's it's no longer GNOME. GNOME is GNOME!
I have to respectfully disagree with you. Now I do agree with you on the part where you said "most users will not notice or care about" and you might be right there, but I think that's a problem. If users become complacent and brush aside legitimate issues, that might not be good for the community. But replacing components of GNOME with other components of GNOME causes fragmentation, because you can literally read a feature list for GNOME 42 and think you also have those features, just to find out you don't, and that absolutely causes confusion with users. I agree that having a great desktop experience is important, but also understand that as a reviewer I have to take the claims of the company or vendor under consideration. If they make the claim that it's a GNOME desktop, and they take too many liberties, then it's just not true GNOME. Think of it this way - GNOME developers develop the software with a specific user experience in mind, and they develop things as cohesively as possible to reach that goal. They work really hard on this, and take pride in it. Ubuntu taking their work and rearranging it, while still calling it GNOME, that's extremely insulting to the project. Now, if Ubuntu rolled out their own desktop environment that contained some GNOME components, now there's nothing at all wrong with that. But if they consider the distribution a GNOME distro, then as a reviewer, I have to judge it as such.
@@LearnLinuxTV no need to say respectfully, I do like your work and respect your views even if might not always agree with it 100%, and I see you as a reasonable person that does engage based on respect. :) How do you think that confusion by most users can in practice happen? Do you think most users use more than one distro, or follow closely upstream project feature lists? I believe most don't. You and I do, and we may find that it's not ideal (or worst), but do you think that most people keep track of that sort of thing? I totally agree that as a reviewer you should point that out, that is a fact, and I expect a good reviewer such as you, to see and point that out, and explain how that could in practice impact both positively and negatively the users workflows. I just disagree of your opinion on how most users will see that, and how that will actually actually positively/negatively impact users on this aspect of confusion.
when I install citrix client (icaclient v 23) on ubuntu 22.04, after installation, remote desktop viewer "remmina' does not start cannot be started, stops working.
I think I have several thinks to ask more about the installer. For starters, how about showing some sort of checkbox lists so that users could pick and choose the components to install? For example, I do not want to install games, Transmission, and sometimes LibreOffice.
I think the trend is install then modify. Everyone else is doing it (android, Windows etc) and to be honest I am OK with it. I get to see and try some new apps. Given that I will spend time in the post install period installing stuff anyway
Wayland seems not available for Nvidia. It was available during beta, but when I updated the system today, the gear icon on the login screen was gone and the windowing system was set to X11.
I follow your videos and like them. I have learned a lot from them, so I ask if and when you plan to do a video on Samba. Thanks and keep up the excellent work.
That's correct. It used to be three years for Desktop but it has been five years for Desktop since Ubuntu 12.04. Many people still get it wrong and think it is three years. Cheers.
I`ve been using ubuntu since 10.10 and installed 22.04 just recently - and I must say its a pile of garbage. Since installation of 22.04 I`ve experienced a series of substantial issues which have not appeared in such density on previous distributions. Just to mention a few. Right of the bat clean 22.04 installation wont boot. Then after kernel update it stopped detecting wifi - I ended up connecting a cable. I have trouble connecting to VPN. Some strange process in random moments is eating tons of CPU (tacker-miner-fs-3). At some point tring to fix issues I had I broke the firefox snap, I could not remove it because snap said its not installed, and could not install it because snap said its already there, it was quicker to reinstall the whole distribution then try to fix the broken snap. Just today - it stopped detecting my second display. I strongly advise against installing this distribution if you have other options - dont do it. I lost not only time, and money, but also trust in ubuntu :(
I've just upgraded from 21.10 and I'm getting a strange error from GRUB, it's not starting at all. Strangely enough, when I choose an older kernel, it starts normally. I will meditate on this.
I can understand why canonical remove text editor and gnome console out of gnome 42. Console basically lacks of features and new text editor have inconsistencies with nautilus. Better to keep gedit and gnome terminal some more time.
what about Kubuntu or Xubuntu? I've installed Kubuntu. I think the UX issues are circumvented since there is no Gnome. To me so far it's a solid distro, and I'm not generally a big Canonical booster - I prefer Debian but want something newer, at least some of the time!
Quick question (I hope) When I first installed 22.04LTS, when opening "Applications" I got a tiled view of available installable apps. Now when I open "Applications" I get a swipe right or left display of one app at a time. Can I switch it back to the tiled view, so I can scroll through the apps available for installation? Thanks for your time. God bless and stay well.
I’m just an average user and can’t tell any difference between the old and new. New one seems a bit smoother when switching workspaces. Also, my apache2 and php got upgrades as well - didn’t expect that!
Interesting how accent colors makes your list of missing elements when mouse wheel scroll speed setting is still only possible with a chunky terminal command.
There is one change in the installer, from the previous LTS version, and that is the option to authenticate to AD. Edit: You mentioned that there were no changes in the installer, but now I see you mentioned AD a few minutes later in the video. :)
Does Wayland support XRDP/RDP servers yet? My servers all need to provide terminal server desktops and Xorg was the only way to allow Windows clients to remote into Linux servers.
I am a visually handicapped user and ever since version 21.10 when Firefox was put on as a snap package I had to uninstall the snap and put on the regular package using the app get method because my screen reader in Ubuntu did not play nice with the Firefox snap package in other words it would not read it. I'm an experienced this a lot with any snap packages the screen reader does not want to read. This may be time for me to jump ship eventually to mint or mint Debbie in addition if this trend continues.
As a user just looking to get work done, the whole GNOME and Snap debate doesn’t really resonate with me. To be honest, it feels a bit too political or purist-oriented. My main focus is on finding a system that helps me be productive, and Ubuntu fits the bill perfectly. I love its look, feel, and performance. Sure, the review touched on some features, but I was hoping for a deeper dive into what the platform can do for users like me. As a Mac user temporarily on Ubuntu until I can afford an Apple machine again, I prioritize functionality over the intricacies of GNOME or Snap. Hope future reviews can focus more on practical benefits for everyday users like myself.
For me, I am more concerned about the operating system (Ubuntu and any Linux based OS) being stable on most computers with various hardware specifications than paying too much attention to trivial (in my view) shortcomings in visual and extreme user friendly design and features of the operating system; and that is because I have always been making it my duty to browse all the system files in order to figure out and comprehend which set of configuration files are responsible for each theme or application appearance and functionality that I would like to improve to my liking via manual editing of configuration and system files. From I started using my first my Ubuntu (10.04 LTS), I have been manually editing configuration and system files to create my own customized colourful (I hate dead colours called Neutral Colours) flavour of Ubuntu, and even compress my version of Ubuntu via squashfs to produce a hybrid bootable and installable ISO file. Ergo, based on the reviews for Ubuntu 22.04 LTS that I have listened, I can say that I confident to upgrade my customized colourful (Grub, Plymouth, Dash, Login, and other Desktop Accent Colours, Boot Animation, and Sounds) Ubuntu 20.04 LTS to Ubuntu 22.04 LTS without waiting until about September to upgrade as I customarily do.
I have upgraded from Ubuntu 20.04 to 22.04. It worked pretty well, but when I log in (with wayland or xorg) my background picture is not taking the full screen and on the top I have a search bar. I need to click on the reduced background pic so the background pic takes the whole screen. it wasn't like that on ubuntu 20.04. what do I have to disable so I don't have that reduced background with that search bar at the top when I have logged in?
I haven't upgraded yet because I'd like to know if everything worked properly after the upgrade. I'd rather do an upgrade than a new clean install so I do not need to reinstall my other applications. Do you use WINE and do the Wine programs continue to work?
@@poconotrainman , the upgrade went pretty well. was just that problem with smaller screen as I described in my comment. I have solved it since with a gnome extension called "no overview at start up". now everything is perfect. I don't use Wine so I don't know about that.
@@nietzschescodes Thank you Eric, I appreciate the fast reply. I can handle reinstalling WINE if need be, glad to hear everything else seemed to go well.
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I guess I picked the right day to switch to Linux. I literally just downloaded this and installed yesterday coming from Windows 10/11. I know nothing of Linux past my experience with my Steam Deck.
I don't think the average desktop user cares if it's a "Frankengnome" experience or not, nor do I think anyone should care if it's consistent with other distros' implementation of Gnome. The only thing that really matters is its internal consistency. Does the desktop function properly, is it user friendly, intuitive, and a solid upgrade from the previous LTS. Internal consistency > external consistency for Ubuntu.
This is something that i did not understand in his complaint at all, i mean, people that are just getting into the Linux world have absolute zero clue about what is what, and probably have no interest in changing distros all the time, they just go to the ones that people recommends for begginers and stick with it, same with the average users, they just want a working computer to carry on with they daily tasks. And the rest of us veterans coundn't care less, since we all make a distro our own and change everything we don't like anyways. And let's be honest here, comparing it to Fedora, i mean, with the amount of work you need to make Fedora work properly in the first place, the least of the concerns is inconsistency with applications versions.
Some of the Gnome 42 components actually lack certain features, so it makes sense that they use the old ones. The new Gnome Console and Text Editor just aren't as usable.
I'm typing this on my ubuntu desktop. I have fedora on my laptop. I honestly setup them both up how I like to work and forget about it. I don't notice much.
Definitely...
I'm a complete noob when it comes to Linux and I've been trying out many different distro. BUT, they are all so confusing to setup and make them work.
That was until I used Ubuntu. Everything works, I don't have to set up much and not waste hours of research to find a solution for something small.
As a developer who is highly focused on just getting work done, I personally don't care much for Gnome issues or anything related to the desktop, so long as it runs fine. Snaps are ok, I can't complain much but I will be wary if one does run slow. I think there are too many people focusing too much on graphics/desktop experience (not that it's not important, I do want Ubuntu to look nice) when we should be focusing on making sure that system level packages and the kernel continue to be stable and support a wide variety of hardware.
I think that view is very much because of your training as a Dev. You are more nuts and bolts but as a designer myself I avoid Linux due to the lack of UX/UI design, I need easily accessible options and I really don't want to be typing through terminal for everything. Lucky there is a zillion distro's available for everyone.
I think the snaps are a bit better, so far so good. I agree I dont use Linux for bomb graphics... I want efficient machines.
@@bakeraus I also work with design, and have to say that the vast majority of linux distros have really poor ui/ux. Im using Fedora 36 with Gnome and imo it has the best experience for a non-programmer/dev. Its fast (no, I dont care if using a wm as de is faster, I value my time), modern, beautiful, and does work out of the box. I do install some addons, but the minimalistic approach of gnome did improve my workflow and productivity (using workspaces and keyboard shortcuts makes a huge difference).
@@loafboi What are you using for graphics programs? I would really love to make the jump full time into Linux.
agree I'm more into app compatibility issue than appearance
Firefox Snap starting slowly isn't the only problem. It also lacks Gnome extension integration so you can't install extensions to customise Gnome any more using Firefox on Ubuntu. Also some Firefox extensions like the KeepassXC extension won't work because of the sandbox.
The gnome extension problem is being addressed with an update to xdg-desktop-portal to allow "native messaging" proposed by ubuntu/snapd developers. Benefit being that it will result in Flatpak browsers also being able to use the gnome extension plugin. Hopefully lands sooner rather than later
@@nightmayr354 did they fix the problem with active directory integration as well?
It's a shame that such unfinished solution make it into a LTS release🤨
@@nightmayr354 I’m not holding my breath. This particular bug was reported several years ago and it’s still unresolved as far as I know. Ubuntu users are just going to have to find their own workarounds for installing and managing shell extensions because Canonical doesn’t care about user experience anymore.
Well pointed out, Dan. I think your comment is far more relevant than the start-up speed issue which only tends to annoy on first launch. Those extensions and other limits of sandboxing are the elephant in the room that not many are talking about. Glad you reminded us of that. And, flatpak's elephant in the room is the awful mess they cause when launching from a terminal or from inside shell scripts. I hope others, and Jay, pick up on this and can give some suggestions. Cheers
I run Ubuntu 21.10 on my main desktop PC and Video DownloadHelper no longer functions properly, due to the snap sandbox. *sigh* I haven't tried Ubuntu 22.04 but I'll upgrade my mom's computer when it's available. :)
Hey Jay. I have been a Linux user for around a year now but I didn't discover your youtube work until about 8 months ago. Since then, I have regularly watched your content and enjoyed all of it. I have learnt more than a few things too! Just wanted to say how much I appreciate your work.
Hey LearnLinuxTV, great review but i have some arguments to defend Ubuntu.
Ubuntu's Frankengnome (the package name is ubuntu-desktop for a reason) is actually great, more consistent and arguably better than stock gnome.
1) Most people would customize gnome to a point similar to Frankengnome
2) Most people don't care their calculator is one version behind or what Gnome version they are in, they care that it works.
3) GTK4 and Libadwaita, even through they are on a stable version, lack a lot of important features and refinement. Putting those on an LTS is an awful idea.
4) The new apps are even more lacking in features than the original, so why is it a big deal?
5) They tested very well this release to ensure stability and user experience, for example they added the dynamic triple buffering patch early. That allows the gnome animations to display smoothly on almost all hardware (made gnome work on my laptop).
6) Then, criticize Pop_OS! And Zorin. As their modifications based on Ubuntu's Gnome are actually even a worse Frankenstein, to the point they constantly crash, have tons of UI bugs and cause even more fragmentation.
7) The decision to change Firefox to a snap was because of Mozilla, blame them, not Ubuntu. The Firefox snap is very optimized now, it's almost perfect, thanks to all the people who tested it on 21.10 and complained (Canonical at any time can change Firefox back, or improve snaps and push the updates)
Also, PPAs and Flatpaks exist to change Firefox to a more usable browser.
Stop, stop he's already dead.
He thinks Gnome ignoring what everyone asks for and Gnome not including basic features is Ubuntu's fault some how. If anything it's Ubuntu's fault for not dropping gnome entirely.
It's just not LearnLinuxTV that does this. A lot of linux reviewers complain about the smallest things and a lot of those things don't matter.
Very nice! Oddly enough this is the best implementation of Gnome I've seen in a long time and the ease of changing accent colour and (for the first time) frankengnome feels like a decent implementation of GNOME for me specifically. In my 3 years on linux desktop I'm actually very keen to give Ubuntu a try.
The approach that they took was good. The newer programs of Gnome 42 lack a lot of features. This would be a major problem for a lts release. The default text editor in Gnome 42 in particular is a big example.
@Abu That is also very true.
Yes, who care about apps version? as long it's work properly and look consistent (unlike vanilla gnome with gtk3/gtk4 horrible inconsistent ui)
If new users are confused by inconsistent gnome it's gnome's fault for failing to take constructive criticism about included features. It's not Ubuntu's fault they need to hack gnome, tho personally I think they should just drop gnome altogether.
Firefox Snap package is actually Mozilla's decision and not Canonical's. In my opinion 22.04 is a great LTS release. If Linux want to "compete" against Windows and Mac this is they way. Bravo.
Agree. He is really trying to create reasons why Pop is meant to be better. The irony is that Pop doesn´t ship those GTK4 apps either.
Disagree. Nothing stops Canonical to make its own package. They are just too lazy. systemd, docker, snap - this is the wrong way to go for Linux.
Ubuntu team just nailed it. The looks, customization, compatibility, and updated software make it a great operating system for work, fun or recommending.
I have done a lot of distro hopping. but I've always relied on Canonical. I've been using Ubuntu as my daily driver for eighteen years - I appreciate it's dependability, and style - it just seems to work. Thank you Canonical.
Yep, Linux nerds will never admit it but Ubuntu is still the *only* distro that Just Works.
Jay, I like your channel and what you do, but the arguments that you made for this review are a bit strange. For one thing Ubuntu 22.04 is Ubuntu, it is not a Gnome release. If Ubuntu choose to put a different variety of features then that is their choice. For example, is the distribution a lesser release because gedit than the text editor in Gnome 42 plain vanilla? Or is the Gnome 42 terminal much better than the one released in Ubuntu 22.04? If they choose a set of software to support for a number of years, it is because they have assessed that it is the best set of packages for that support period. As for the snap verses flatpak argument, I am not even going to comment -- both have advantages and disadvantages. Again, if Ubuntu choose to release a number of apps as snaps, it is their prerogative. Yes snaps are slower to load, but trying to look at it from Canonical's perspective, they choose to put it out their so it gets used and then can be refined. If the code just sits in the repository and is unused then it will never advance. Overall, I think your review was a disappointment. A lot of the positive things you talked about Pop_OS as being unique tailoring of a particular Gnome base you lauded as being good, but many of them are not. They are just plain quirky code that is inconsistent with the overall plain vanilla Gnome theme. You didn't refer to Pop_OS as a Franken-Gnome release. Again, It is System76's choice to do that. It is important you review a distro as a holistic solution, not merely as a spray-painted different color of one part of the release, namely the Display Environment. It is an Ubuntu release not a Gnome release, just as much as System76's distro is a Pop_OS release rather than a different coloured Gnome. (For full disclosure on my part, I am not an Ubuntu fanboy, I do not really warm to Gnome. I prefer Plasma, which is also far from consistent.) Anyway, I appreciate your reviews and video tutorials and hope you take my comments in a positive light as I value your work. Cheers and thanks, Paul
Are you surprised? Linux review channels want Ubuntu to be seen as "the bad distro" because it's easy to use and just works. The new libadwaita apps in GNOME 42 are a joke, as is GTK 4 and its terrible text rendering which GNOME upstream *refused* to fix. Why do people even bother with GNOME anymore? Every day I wonder why Ubuntu killed off Unity when it has been clear since 2011 that GNOME don't even know what they're doing anymore.
Unfortunately, the "true GNOME experience" leaves much to be desired given that it deliberately leaves out things that most other OS's, DE's, apps and humans still heavily rely on (like the system tray and a glance-able panel/dock). It also contains inconsistencies within itself (Nautilus isn't GTK4, but Text Editor is, for example). Given how many people complain about GNOME's minimalism-to-a-fault I think their "vision" is fighting an uphill battle.
So I think Ubuntu's implementation of GNOME is probably the best there is right now, and the key thing is that their extensions and modifications are supported and optimized by the Ubuntu team making them first class citizens unlike most other extensions out there, solving one big issue people have with having to use extensions to fix GNOME's basic shortcomings.
I use Ubuntu in a 14 year old pc with Intel Core2 Quad CPU Q9550 and 8gb ddr2 ram. Coming from 20.04 LTS, 22.04 LTS feels like I upgraded my PC to a modern system. The computer is SUPER FAST, super smooth and very stable (I 've been using it since day 1). I was very skeptical installing 22.04 in the beginning because I was thinking that despite the requirements, the new OS would come heavy on the old pal. I was very surprised even with the installation process which has never been SO fast. I am very happy with the distro and the job Canonical has done. This is definitely my favorite version of Ubuntu and a huge turn towards their old self. Thanks for the video, but I think that you 've been a bit harsh on your judgement.
I just installed Ubuntu on a couple of older laptops, and you're right ... thinking back to my previous trials of Linux, this install was a lot faster than what I remember from the past.
@@eos6935 I am glad it works for you! Enjoy :)
I for one as someone who has not been a big Ubuntu fan in the past, am really liking this release. I normally run OpenSuse but wanted to give this release a look, and so far I am enjoying it. I've been going through my steam library and everything is running fine, development environments are doing their thing, and I like the feel of it overall. So far no complaints.
From wiki: The first LTS releases were supported for three years on the desktop and five years on the server; since Ubuntu 12.04 LTS, desktop support for LTS releases was increased to five years as well.[34][35][36] LTS releases get regular point releases with support for new hardware and integration of all the updates published in that series to date.[37]
I think he deals with like 100 distros so easily confused
It is the best implementation of gnome. This version of Ubuntu is now one of my favorite distros. Snaps is here to stay and it is getting better especially here in Ubuntu. One of my previous dislikes with snaps was permissions but this has been fixed here since the Ubuntu software has the permission settings available.
Exactly... I'm glad they didn't adopt all the new libadwaita apps. They're ugly and have horrible font rendering, which GNOME/GTK upstream are *refusing* to fix it because "blah blah supixel rendering is too hard to maintain". Same bull##it excuse they gave when they removed desktop icons and status indicators. Same excuse why they don't officially support theming, same excuse why there's no extension API. "Too hard to maintain". As if GNOME hasn't got the most paid hands working on it from Red Hat, Canonical, SUSE, etc. What a joke of a desktop.
My main problem with snaps is that they occasionally have bugs that do not appear in their Deb/flatpak/appimage counterparts
I never understand these OS release reviews. All the focus is on the desktop environment. Who cares? I want to know if the OS is solid, can you install boot/root on any choice of filesystem, add root encryption. What happens if you pull the power during a heavy file copy operation? How does it benchmark against previous versions? If you soak test it for a week with a range of automated functions what errors appear? Hit it with a bunch of devices and hardware. Pore through the logs for error messages. Install the top 50 apps and see what fails. We want to see thorough OS reviews and not some obsession with themes and text editors.
Very good review Jay! I haven't run Ubuntu in a long time, but this was a great honest review for people thinking about switching to it.
“The linux community has been unfairly biased against snaps” WAT. Its faults are known, communicated, and not addressed for years now. Canonical could correct all issues if they wanted to. Snap developer leads have left the company and are building tools to remove it(unsnapped).
Facts and fiction!
Fiction: The lead developer you mentioned never worked on snaps, he was selected as manager of the Ubuntu project by Canonical. After a few years, Canonical and he came to the conclusion, that it would be better for both, that he moved on.
Facts: Snaps are the best new format.
1. With the appimage; flatpak and the Windows exe format each hacker can start an own "repository" and infect your computer.
2. If e.g the developer makes an error and the new version does not work for you, you can rollback the snap locally.
3. Snaps updates are fast, because they only send the difference between release n and n+1. My last Firefox update to release 99.0.1 did take ~ 2 seconds (download and installation).
@@bertnijhof5413 Thanks Bert - presenting the other side of the coin gives a more balanced view of snaps.
@@bertnijhof5413 “snaps are the best new format” is an *opinion* not a *fact*
They are terrible and leading down the route of an apple AppStore. Canonical can fuck right off with their despicable, sneakily implemented features (they have form with this too having Amazon spyware a few years back)
No operating system that forces snaps on the user is ever going onto my machine.
@@bertnijhof5413 Can start their own repo and infect your computer? So every linux distro / package manager is susceptible even outside of flatpak and appimage? Ok. That is some Apple walled garden nonsense. Does that mean you view Canonical as the ministry of truth?
@@keyboard_g You clearly don't understand the issue. The complaint about snaps is that Canonical runs a central repository, while e.g everybody has the freedom to set up a flatpak repository. Consequentially hackers can also setup a flatpak repository.
Is this explanation simple enough for you?
I have been on the linux learning curve now for almost 10 years - most of that time (until about a year ago) ubuntu was my OS of choice. This was because it was quite user friendly and has a huge support network. One of the big reasons for me switching to Mint was the snap pkg system; I found it so annoying it became intolerable. I have been extremely happy with Mint to date. I may reconsider ubuntu if and when they get the bugs out of snap.
Thanks for you great videos - am currently working through your proxmox series. Regards from Burnaby BC.
I have been using Linux for a similar period. The reason I can't seem to stick with mint is I don't really like the DEs they offer. They feel dated in comparison with the big 2. And installing a DE they don't support on top, is just a hassle since it leaves the user to iron out the kinks.
Even thought snap packages are available you can still use apt. Luckily my distro does not have snap, if it did I would continue to use apt.
The way around "Frankengnome" is just to install vanilla gnome.
After running 'sudo apt update' and 'sudo apt upgrade' type
'sudo apt install vanilla-gnome-desktop; (without the single quotes). Then reboot and check at the login screen that Gnome is loaded and enjoy!
Why would you even want vanilla GNOME though. It's horribly unusable
@@ps5hasnogames55 How is it unusable? It works just as intended as any other Desktop Environments. And personally speaking, I don't want extensions shoved down my throat, I'd rather install vanilla gnome and add any extensions I want than to have Gnome that's loaded with extensions(such as Ubuntu) and try to remove all unnecessary extensions that I don't need.
@@KatyushaLauncher you say that as if it isn't a simple `sudo apt install gnome-session` to get vanilla gnome with no extensions on ubuntu lol, not that you'd want it anyway since everything about vanilla GNOME is backwards
@@ps5hasnogames55 That's the reason why I don't use Ubuntu for the fact that getting Vanilla GNOME will not be that simple. Again how is Vanilla GNOME Backwards? It works just fine on 2 of my Desktops
@@KatyushaLauncher how is it not simple? install one package, and log in as the "GNOME" session instead of "ubuntu desktop" lmfaooooo. Vanilla GNOME is backwards because the interface is terribly designed, simple as that.
This is good. Feels good to use Desktop Linux again.
Overall, I actually really like the release so far.
I am actually impressed with the updated dock. It looks awesome and works great. The desktop icons i don't really use but I did find a toggle in the settings to integrate with nemo instead of nautilus, which I prefer. The snap packages are fine, I guess, though flatpaks would have been preferable, just for the extra features (and apps).
The software center has been by far the biggest blemish for me. It fails to uninstall apps, does not integrate with the search, has misleading entries (text editor, gnome software) and somehow the repos offer newer versions than snaps do for some apps(gimp,kate,obs). Finally, the Qt theming is completely absent and left completely for the end user to figure out. If manjaro can do it, then why not canonical?
I dont like that I cant add transparency to the dock. At least I couldnt find it....
@@Mdroudian You can try blur my shell extension.
@@jdkpjdkp4917 Ill check it out. Thanks
The slow-launch issue with firefox snap isn't something you need to work around. It only happens the first time you run it. After that, it acts the same as the deb package, even after a restart.
a quick sudo do-release-upgrade -d GUI method was the easiest, the background color theme does not change in terminal, too bad, only your characters do change by altering theme colors. Thanks for the review!
Upstream Gnome 42 is 'franken-Gnome' and looks like an "inconsistent mess" visually.
Actually I never really liked gedit but there may be people who use it for over 10 or over 20 years. Why not include that in an LTS release ?
The next LTS can have all the new apps and the old apps who will get ported to gtk4 etc.
Libadwaita will be the reason for the FrankenGnome and Libadwaita not being compatible with theming such as the Ubuntu's Yaru theme. The same reason that Pop OS will be forking the Gnome desktop. I think Ubuntu's was a reasonable choice I guess they will be working on a modified version of Libadwaita compatible with Yaru for future releases?
I've gone back to Ubuntu after using other desktops for a while and am liking it although I have replaced Snap Firefox with an apt version using the Mozilla ppa.
Thank god the keep back some stuff to test it because Ubuntu is not «betadora» , for starters you can install it without tearing your eyes with that horrible fedora installer. Consistency is great balanced with stability in Ubuntu. That is what they are thinking…. Gnome 42 in arch based distros too has a lot of bugs that are not present in Ubuntu 22.04 …that is the difference between an OS for work and an os for experimental use.
If I was to use Ubuntu I would purge the Firefox snap and install the Firefox tar. Starts up immediately and is always up to date. Even more so than the snap or flatpak. And I would only use it with Dash to panel extension. Which I now can because it's updated for Gnome 42.
Accessory apps do not a desktop environment make. The *version of your gnome install* is about shell, settings, dock/panel/dash, overview, dialogs, and anything else actively enforcing a standard across apps.
In my experience, 14.04 was the last rock solid release by Canonical. After 14.04, every release felt buggy and unpolished. I switched to Fedora and KDE to avoid all the problems that have plaged Ubuntu for years. I would like to go back, just for the nostalgia, but criticisms have arisen and I think I will wait a couple of months and give it a shot via Virtualbox.
Although Fedora doesn't do a "LTS" version, which means you need to update very 6 months.
Kind of odd that you switched to KDE to get away from buggy and unpolished. As much as I want to like KDE (I ran it for months on openSUSE Tumbleweed), it's never been anything BUT buggy, even if left completely bone-stock vanilla. It's usable, but has graphical glitches and random bugs and hangs/crashes all over the place.
I get that Gnome isn't everyone's thing, but on my various computers it's always felt MUCH more stable and polished.
@@stephenwilson0386 Gnome 3 never was my cup of tea. Also, Kate, Dolphin and Yakuake are part of my workflow. KDE is indeed buggy, but works way better in Fedora and Arch than Kubuntu. I also like XFCE and it was my DE of choice between 2006 and 2009, but Lubuntu 20.04 was a complete disappointment. My point is that Ubuntu and derivatives are no longer a no brainer choice due to unpolished releases.
I like Ubuntu Mate. Simple and solid. I’ve used many different distros and BSDs since the 90’s and never liked RH/Fedora. I’m using now Ubuntu server on my 2 servers, RHEL on my desktop and giving a test drive of the newest version of my favourite Slackware. With Mate I find that everything works as intended and fast. KDE is a bloated & buggy nightmare, in my experience, and always has been. The thing I do not like in deb/rpm based distros is over complicating basic stuff like all the settings, configs, startup etc. and usually just to suit their package manager. Especially Debian seems to be build around it.
@@briansrcadventures1316 each Fedora release is supported for approximately 13 months.
2:18 The colour calibration is very wrong for the display your using. It looks exactly how my second monitor looked this morning after a fresh install of 22.04
Now that Firefox and Chromium are both snap packages, it's the hardest it has ever been to customize Gnome since extensions are broken on the snap versions of web browsers :(
There is an extension manager app, if it helps. Check the known issues in the release note for more
i have a problem where the battery indicator is really out of sync and showing delayed battery status
i once thought my battery was at 30% but quickly my pc powered off
this is somewhat annoying to me
I'm not a big fan of snaps and will probably replace all of the snap apps that I use with the deb versions. But Ubuntu 22.04 looks awesome.
I tried fedora clean Gnome and Ubuntu Gnome, and personally I think ubuntu gnome is better one.
Generally speaking, I like what Canonical have done here. For the general user, I doubt they will be checking package versions as closely, and having the old reliable gedit and terminal can be argued to be a good thing. Between Linux enthusiasts in the know, these things matter and it says something about its place within the broader Linux ecosystem of software. However, to many that simply use Ubuntu, they may not care much at all. It looks mostly consistent to the uninformed user.
Personally, my gripe with it is again Snap packages. I wish there were an easy way to turn off Snap and enable Flatpack. I appreciate what Canonical were trying to do, and that they cannot simply abandon it now, however, I believe the community has spoken, and Flatpack has won out.
We are individuals. Some hate snaps, some hate flatpaks, some hate both, others don't care.
I havent done this yet but my understanding is you can uninstall Snap. Personally I recently setup Flatpack with Debian stable. It worked much better for me.
Amazing that Ubuntu's been around since 1804 - before computers were even invented!
PS: My dream is to be a developer for Dad Joke Linux!
Oh it's much older than that. It started in 410 . Incidentally, the same year Rome fell for the first time in 800 years... coincidence?
The 9 months support with the interim releases doesn't bother me. I always update to the latest release as soon as it's available. 22.04 is excellent, with some very fresh packages across the board, for now. When 22.10 is released, I'll update to that. I recently changed from using Debian Sid for my daily driver to Xubuntu with Cinnamon added. I don't have a problem with the snaps being used now in Xubuntu and all other ubuntu flavors.
I didn't really noticed anything messy about appearance of Ubuntu. They seem to be fixing what Gnome breaks. I think the desktop could be in completely different place if Unity 7 was not killed but evolve during those lost years. Mir was a mistake when Unity was not.
Mir wasn't even a mistake. Wayland is terrible and still missing several features that Wayland upstream *refuse* to implement (e.g. the ability to turn off Vsync) because Wayland is owned by Red Hat which also owns GNOME. There's a reason GNOME is the only desktop that works properly on Wayland.
If anyone uses Haskell, event handling in SDL does not work on jammy jellyfish. I had to downgrade back to focal fossa in order to use SDL and Haskell.
I couldn’t get Gnome to sort desktop icons with folders first, then files, each category alphabetized, so I switched to the Nemo desktop. In the terminal, type sudo apt install nemo. Open Startup applications and add nemo-desktop. In Extensions, turn off Desktop Icons NG. Log out and back in. On the desktop, folders are displayed first, then files, each alphabetized. Nemo desktop also auto arranges icons on the fly.
Mastering Ubuntu Server 22.04 RUclips Playlist. Enough said. :)
Thanks for the review.
Points out that the text editor was held back due to a lack of testing, but version 42 of text editor is only up to release candidate status in the same video. Users can't test version 42 not because Canonical held it back, but because Gnome hasn't actually released version 42.
I just updated to 22.04 and am enjoying it a lot. Listening to you, for a second, I thought I was listening to Professor Denzil Dexter 😜
Grr Wayland! For headless machines without physical monitors that use VNC to connect, it is a big pain requiring a hardware dongle to simulate a connected monitor.
After a kernel update broke my 2007 iMac's WiFi card on Fedora, I was forced to install Ubuntu. I did a minimal instal, no extra apps, so I could install everything my way: I installed Brave (my browser of choice) as an apt package from Brave repositories, uninstalled the Firefox Snap, and everything else I installed as a Flatpakeither from Flathub or Fedora remotes. The only thing that I could not make work was the Pop-Shell extention in order to have window tiling.
I live Fedora's approach to vanilla gnome and this is the closest I could get while having my Broadcom BCM4321 wireless card working. Besides, since this iMac will eventually go to my aunt, I think LTS is the way to go.
Nice review. I found the video grabs where blue light blocking (night mode) is on was a bit obnoxious.
Ubuntu is nice, but I always seem to get a hang up on Audio and Wireless divers.
If they just would focus on improving support for Networking, Audio, and Video - that covers most uses for most people.
The upgrade is beautiful - very smooth and easy to use desktop. Thanks GNOME ! :-)
snaps have caused me more problems than not... no problems with flatpak yet. firefox also uses flatpak.
wow. it seems "Upgrades to the Ubuntu 22.04 LTS release are currently not enabled due to a bug with the snapd and update-notifier packages. Canonical says that the upgrade path will be opened in the next couple of days."
The biggest problem is as always the inclusion of snap, I always install deb if possible. That’s probably not a problem if you’re using a new computer, but the beauty of linux during the years that I’ve been using it in that it’s sleek if you want to. I not good enough in math but I started before Slackware 1.0 was released, so it’s a couple of years ago. Anyway, this LTS is much better than every Ubuntu release the last 10 years, maybe even 12. It’s only snobs who complain, do you remember when you had to compile your Xorg by yourself to get a desktop? I can remember that one time in I 1996 I was so frustrated that I even bought an CDE CD and did install it on my computer. But then again GNOME or KDE didn’t exist. I’m okay with this frankenstein version, it feels solid on the desktop. Next week I’ll install a Gluster cluster, that will be fun since they’ve jumped up to a decent version now. Cheers guys 🍻
I'm using Ubuntu 22.04.3 LTS with KDE Plasma installed and I'm enjoying so far.
So do you mean Kubuntu 22.04.3 LTS? Or you for some reason you installed Ubuntu and replaced GNOME with KDE?
I think for a debian base distro that supports long term support, this is about the only one that gives the most up to date packages. If you're willing to jump over to RHEL, some will argue Fedora which is technically not considered LTS and more of Rocky Linux falls into this spot. Rocky lags behind on packages.
Anyways, long and short of it. I'm back using Ubuntu as my daily desktop driver and using Debain for only my servers.
I liked the review
and the beard seems like an upgrade that works well.
I enjoyed your new intro, also this nice review!
I love using gnome extensions. Unfortunately a Snap install of Firefox makes this feature not longer available. I realize there is a trade off between usability and security, but this is one of my favorite features. I know I could download the deb and install it to avoid this Snap version. But that is one more thing I have to do post install, and I would have to update Firefox manually. I could just distro hop too something else where extensions still function. Like relationships, she(ubuntu) has changed from that likable gal I knew. I guess I will be moving on. Hey Debian ..how you do'en ;)
You don't need to install extensions from the browser. Just install 'Extension Manager' and manage the extensions from there.
Flatpak?
The problem you have is with Gnome. You will have the same issue with a default Debian install which also uses gnome but also an OLDER version of it.
As an IT I've used Ubuntu desktop for many years. I upgraded from 16.04 last week and I've been struggling with 22.04 version. I mainly need remote access, Firefox, Thunderbird, remmina and a terminal. The upgrade from command line did not go well, had to do a fresh install and lots of cashes and configurations were lost on the way. Remote access is buggy and a nightmare. Gnome crashes a lot on many levels..... Not happy.
The updated apps held back are the ones ported to GTK4 and libadwaita. I dont think these apps would work with the accent colour until gnome implements the re-colour API to libadwaita.
As an Ubuntu user I really don't notice or care for that fragmentation you mention, I do care that is a great desktop experience which it's.
I believe you're make a big deal about a thing most users will not notice or care about.
Also Ubuntu is not replacing components of GNOME, for something different, they're are just keeping components on relatively recent previous versions, so there's no strong merit on claims, that's it's no longer GNOME. GNOME is GNOME!
I have to respectfully disagree with you. Now I do agree with you on the part where you said "most users will not notice or care about" and you might be right there, but I think that's a problem. If users become complacent and brush aside legitimate issues, that might not be good for the community. But replacing components of GNOME with other components of GNOME causes fragmentation, because you can literally read a feature list for GNOME 42 and think you also have those features, just to find out you don't, and that absolutely causes confusion with users. I agree that having a great desktop experience is important, but also understand that as a reviewer I have to take the claims of the company or vendor under consideration. If they make the claim that it's a GNOME desktop, and they take too many liberties, then it's just not true GNOME. Think of it this way - GNOME developers develop the software with a specific user experience in mind, and they develop things as cohesively as possible to reach that goal. They work really hard on this, and take pride in it. Ubuntu taking their work and rearranging it, while still calling it GNOME, that's extremely insulting to the project. Now, if Ubuntu rolled out their own desktop environment that contained some GNOME components, now there's nothing at all wrong with that. But if they consider the distribution a GNOME distro, then as a reviewer, I have to judge it as such.
@@LearnLinuxTV no need to say respectfully, I do like your work and respect your views even if might not always agree with it 100%, and I see you as a reasonable person that does engage based on respect. :)
How do you think that confusion by most users can in practice happen?
Do you think most users use more than one distro, or follow closely upstream project feature lists?
I believe most don't. You and I do, and we may find that it's not ideal (or worst), but do you think that most people keep track of that sort of thing?
I totally agree that as a reviewer you should point that out, that is a fact, and I expect a good reviewer such as you, to see and point that out, and explain how that could in practice impact both positively and negatively the users workflows. I just disagree of your opinion on how most users will see that, and how that will actually actually positively/negatively impact users on this aspect of confusion.
when I install citrix client (icaclient v 23) on ubuntu 22.04, after installation, remote desktop viewer "remmina' does not start cannot be started, stops working.
I think I have several thinks to ask more about the installer. For starters, how about showing some sort of checkbox lists so that users could pick and choose the components to install? For example, I do not want to install games, Transmission, and sometimes LibreOffice.
I think the trend is install then modify. Everyone else is doing it (android, Windows etc) and to be honest I am OK with it. I get to see and try some new apps. Given that I will spend time in the post install period installing stuff anyway
Zorin OS has had the active directory option for years and years now, good Ubuntu finally supports it.
Can you make a video about the difference between xorg and Wayland and explain what is a window manager exactly
The change color feauture is just obvious to why it was so purple anyways i will give it a try now !
8:00 Wayland by default is not enabled for Nvidia. It was a last minute decision reversal. Intel and AMD are Wayland, Nvidia still X11 for now.
I wish they could have got rid of Gnome and replaced it with xfce...
That would improve the performance a lot...
Isn't that called Xubuntu?
@@BenMitro
I meant on their official primary distro ( Ubuntu itself )
Focusing on xfce more than Gnome would improve Linux as a whole...
I was thinking the same thing but with KDE, but ya basically anything but Gnome.
@@thetapheonix
Yes, indeed. I am also OK with KDE, but xfce is really good at consuming less RAM...
Sorry to say but UBUNTU LTS gives 5 years of support. UBUNTU 22.04 will be supported until 2027-04-21.
Wayland seems not available for Nvidia. It was available during beta, but when I updated the system today, the gear icon on the login screen was gone and the windowing system was set to X11.
I follow your videos and like them. I have learned a lot from them, so I ask if and when you plan to do a video on Samba. Thanks and keep up the excellent work.
Actually, Server and Desktop support are both 5 years.
That's correct. It used to be three years for Desktop but it has been five years for Desktop since Ubuntu 12.04. Many people still get it wrong and think it is three years. Cheers.
another strange thing in ubuntu is that you need to instal kitware apt repo just to install single package - cmake
Wayland is NOT the default for nvidia cards (last minute request by nvidia to canonical).
I`ve been using ubuntu since 10.10 and installed 22.04 just recently - and I must say its a pile of garbage. Since installation of 22.04 I`ve experienced a series of substantial issues which have not appeared in such density on previous distributions. Just to mention a few. Right of the bat clean 22.04 installation wont boot. Then after kernel update it stopped detecting wifi - I ended up connecting a cable. I have trouble connecting to VPN. Some strange process in random moments is eating tons of CPU (tacker-miner-fs-3). At some point tring to fix issues I had I broke the firefox snap, I could not remove it because snap said its not installed, and could not install it because snap said its already there, it was quicker to reinstall the whole distribution then try to fix the broken snap. Just today - it stopped detecting my second display. I strongly advise against installing this distribution if you have other options - dont do it. I lost not only time, and money, but also trust in ubuntu :(
Love the set, Jay. Looks great.
I've just upgraded from 21.10 and I'm getting a strange error from GRUB, it's not starting at all. Strangely enough, when I choose an older kernel, it starts normally. I will meditate on this.
2022/8/14 我安裝最新的長期支援版本 Ubuntu 22.04LTS，實際使用一天，同時參考 Jay LaCroix 的影片，整理出三個對我最重要的更新：
1. 預設 Wayland - 不必在登入頁面從 X Server 切換為 Wayland，而且只要依照 Enable FireFox Hardware Video Acceleration on Ubuntu 設定，就可以為 Intel 與 AMD GPU 啟動影片播放硬體加速，降低 CPU 使用率同時更省電。
2. 虛擬桌面改為橫式，應用程式從下方升起 - 在 20.04LTS 是直式虛擬桌面，應用程式從上方落下。新版本與 chromeOS Flex 的呈現方式相同，雖然快捷鍵不同。
3. Firefox 改用 Snap 封裝 - 好處是用一個自帶應用程式相關程式庫與描述資料的資料的壓縮檔包裝，但是更新檔案較大，而且會持續累積。It's FOSS 的 Abhishek Prakash 在 How to Clean Up Snap Package Versions in Linux 介紹如何撰寫 shell script 刪除佔用空間的舊 Snap。
I can understand why canonical remove text editor and gnome console out of gnome 42. Console basically lacks of features and new text editor have inconsistencies with nautilus. Better to keep gedit and gnome terminal some more time.
what about Kubuntu or Xubuntu? I've installed Kubuntu. I think the UX issues are circumvented since there is no Gnome. To me so far it's a solid distro, and I'm not generally a big Canonical booster - I prefer Debian but want something newer, at least some of the time!
Quick question (I hope) When I first installed 22.04LTS, when opening "Applications" I got a tiled view of available installable apps. Now when I open "Applications" I get a swipe right or left display of one app at a time. Can I switch it back to the tiled view, so I can scroll through the apps available for installation? Thanks for your time. God bless and stay well.
I’m just an average user and can’t tell any difference between the old and new. New one seems a bit smoother when switching workspaces. Also, my apache2 and php got upgrades as well - didn’t expect that!
Interesting how accent colors makes your list of missing elements when mouse wheel scroll speed setting is still only possible with a chunky terminal command.
There is one change in the installer, from the previous LTS version, and that is the option to authenticate to AD.
Edit: You mentioned that there were no changes in the installer, but now I see you mentioned AD a few minutes later in the video. :)
Does Wayland support XRDP/RDP servers yet? My servers all need to provide terminal server desktops and Xorg was the only way to allow Windows clients to remote into Linux servers.
I am a visually handicapped user and ever since version 21.10 when Firefox was put on as a snap package I had to uninstall the snap and put on the regular package using the app get method because my screen reader in Ubuntu did not play nice with the Firefox snap package in other words it would not read it. I'm an experienced this a lot with any snap packages the screen reader does not want to read. This may be time for me to jump ship eventually to mint or mint Debbie in addition if this trend continues.
As a user just looking to get work done, the whole GNOME and Snap debate doesn’t really resonate with me. To be honest, it feels a bit too political or purist-oriented. My main focus is on finding a system that helps me be productive, and Ubuntu fits the bill perfectly. I love its look, feel, and performance. Sure, the review touched on some features, but I was hoping for a deeper dive into what the platform can do for users like me. As a Mac user temporarily on Ubuntu until I can afford an Apple machine again, I prioritize functionality over the intricacies of GNOME or Snap. Hope future reviews can focus more on practical benefits for everyday users like myself.
For me, I am more concerned about the operating system (Ubuntu and any Linux based OS) being stable on most computers with various hardware specifications than paying too much attention to trivial (in my view) shortcomings in visual and extreme user friendly design and features of the operating system; and that is because I have always been making it my duty to browse all the system files in order to figure out and comprehend which set of configuration files are responsible for each theme or application appearance and functionality that I would like to improve to my liking via manual editing of configuration and system files.
From I started using my first my Ubuntu (10.04 LTS), I have been manually editing configuration and system files to create my own customized colourful (I hate dead colours called Neutral Colours) flavour of Ubuntu, and even compress my version of Ubuntu via squashfs to produce a hybrid bootable and installable ISO file. Ergo, based on the reviews for Ubuntu 22.04 LTS that I have listened, I can say that I confident to upgrade my customized colourful (Grub, Plymouth, Dash, Login, and other Desktop Accent Colours, Boot Animation, and Sounds) Ubuntu 20.04 LTS to Ubuntu 22.04 LTS without waiting until about September to upgrade as I customarily do.
Desktop version is also supported for 5 years.
I used this for a day and went back to 20.04 LTS... its much better at this point.
I still dont understand. what is the point of the gnome top panel??
I installed this and it's very good imo but I have a problem when I open FF it flickers for a while. Anyone else having this issue?
Jay, the beard suits you a lot. Keep that intact
I will say, I have had less issues with Snaps than Flatpaks.
My 4 core PC starts up slowly and Chrome takes long to open the first time. Will this run on a two core processor like a Celeron?
I have upgraded from Ubuntu 20.04 to 22.04. It worked pretty well, but when I log in (with wayland or xorg) my background picture is not taking the full screen and on the top I have a search bar. I need to click on the reduced background pic so the background pic takes the whole screen. it wasn't like that on ubuntu 20.04. what do I have to disable so I don't have that reduced background with that search bar at the top when I have logged in?
I haven't upgraded yet because I'd like to know if everything worked properly after the upgrade. I'd rather do an upgrade than a new clean install so I do not need to reinstall my other applications. Do you use WINE and do the Wine programs continue to work?
@@poconotrainman , the upgrade went pretty well. was just that problem with smaller screen as I described in my comment. I have solved it since with a gnome extension called "no overview at start up". now everything is perfect. I don't use Wine so I don't know about that.
@@nietzschescodes Thank you Eric, I appreciate the fast reply. I can handle reinstalling WINE if need be, glad to hear everything else seemed to go well.
How to disable every time to input password when I need to install something?
Suspend feature would not work ! In ubuntu 22.04 if I tried to install nvidia driver .
I guess I picked the right day to switch to Linux. I literally just downloaded this and installed yesterday coming from Windows 10/11. I know nothing of Linux past my experience with my Steam Deck.
The nvidia drivers/wayland/gdm3 are bugged at this point, making wayland completely unavailable and PRIME unable to change to integrated.