i am just looking at this and kinda remembering how much all communities are kinda similar and all have a pretty much pre determined fate that as it grows it gets more and more toxic and more assholes join the comnunity i know atleast one example of this most people pobably know but there are so many i pobably came qcross that are like that and i just ended up forgetng
fixing it with your mouth is actually not bad advice! of course Neosporin is better but if you don't have access, saliva has antiseptic properties and it actually contains a pretty strong pain killer
(This is kinda long. Got a TL;DR at the end.) Im late to the party, but dude‘s half-right. Saliva does contains opiorphin, which is a strong painkiller (stronger than morphine), but it also contains millions of bacteria. The pain may go away but you risk a bacterial infection. Saliva is also somewhat antiseptic, but it doesnt mean saliva is completely clean and bacteria/virus-free, cuz your mouth is like, one of the most bacteria-infested place in your body. If those bacteria is not killed by the antiseptic saliva and u lick your wound, theres a possibility u gonna do more harm than good. Its not a completely bad idea (does have some benefits, and animals do it too), but you gotta remember it carries some sort of danger. TL;DR: Saliva can stop the pain, but your mouth is dirty, so u risk bacteria infection by licking. Think b4 u lick
It’s kinda hypocritical that your talking about him having clones but you have like 80 Brandon clones. (Jk this is just a joke and btw you and Brandon and really underrated and I can tell you all put a lot of effort in your videos!)
I’m only half way through and I’m so incredibly blown away from the mention of me, all the way to your insight on everything including your actions on balisong flipping. I think you did a much better job of speaking on the view I had about all the situations we both covered. Seeing your passion and insight about the community and balisong in general is one of my main inspirations and I’m so blown away by your take on these topics Will, incredible job 🖤 Side note: fucking LOVVVVVE the nails
I’m just a big softy hippie guy trying to spread positivity and love every day. Flipping balisongs brings me a lot of joy and I just want to share that more ^-^
Just got into this hobby a few months ago, had no idea about the drama but what hobby/ fandom doesn't have drama. Will, would you ever make a video about fails/ dropping the knife and such? Some days it gets me down seeing all these fantastic flippers on social media, especially cause I am a beginner, and wonder if I ever get to that skill level, I know it's just practice but..yeah
I will say I think some of the general toxicity is because the hobby of knives draws in a certain type of people, either grown adults or 13 year old's that think owning knives is like edgy and rebellious and such. It's a shame because balisongs are much more than that but this is an unfortunate effect.
This really hits the nail on the head, knife communities ( not just balisongs ) draw in a crowd of people who are often lone-wolves or social exiles. These people don’t often have the best communication skills which leads to a lot of misunderstanding. On the other hand - the younger people introduced to the balisong specific hobby often come from gaming backgrounds, (say, pewdepie for ex.) and gaming communities are typically extremely toxic.
excuse me, im a 15 year old and i flip balisongs for fun, not because i think its edgy. i dont go on the street and threaten ppl with a knife which should be used for something else.
I got my first bali when I was 13, and have now put 200 dollars into the hobby with a lucha trainer and a zipper(literally ordered one today for my b-day) since. Its been 2 years almost and I'm loving the ride. Definitely seen and heard about some stuff, but overall I try to embody christ in my actions by being supportive and kind and loving towards other people. Totally see what you're saying tho abt the edgy 13 year old vibe. I just thought flipping looked like the most fun thing.
@@Furno52470 last time I checked he was focusing on camera and photography, he doesn’t care for the community hence why he dipped (from what I’ve heard don’t know if it’s true or not don’t quote me) but damn did he make a good video
I fully agree will, I'm also from a shithole in Texas and have indeed made many mistakes in my past and have been incredibly insensitive. It's everyone's responsibility to grow as a person and try to become better every day, I think this is something we should all learn from. And btw you have a very mature mindset about all of this, Brandon from balisong flipping is who made me want to start making balisong videos, but you are what inspire me to become a better youtuber and try to put more effort into not only my RUclips videos but being a better person in general!
I don’t know much about this controversy as I’m super new to flipping knives. I like how you talked about your backstory and growing up in a smaller community and growing to be a more socially aware person. Love your videos!! Btw I got into flipping because of your videos! I love it now, cant put my Krake Raken down. Keep being awesome!
Will, thank you for the words about the clones. I am guilty of being rude and cruel to someone for buying a clone and your words made me rethink and reflect my actions. Once again, thank you.
I was pretty lucky when I got Into the hobby, I watched your videos and bali flipping sometimes but mainly just your content, and joined your discord, which is the only discord not made by me and my friends that I’m actually kind of active in, everyone is just so nice and helpful, definitely some cool people in there, if any of them are reading this :) good job at helping me with everything I didn’t understand
Thank you for making this video Will. I’ve flipped for a few years and I haven’t posted a single balisong video on my instagram because I still suck and I know it can get toxic in the community. I know this was mostly about Balisongflipping, but because you made this video I am considering of finally putting something on my instagram and not being ashamed of it.
I really feel like the final 5 minutes of this video should be required viewing for people who consider themself “in the balisong community.” The toxicity is a genuine problem that really turns people off from the hobby and I think a big reason is that many people struggle to find the ‘right way’ to call out other people. There are simultaneously people who are ignoring bad business or community practice, while also going nuclear over say; owning a clone. There needs to be accountability and respect in tandem. I think this balance will be extremely difficult due to the fact that most Balisong Flippers are young gamers. Young people and specifically young gamers - are exposed to toxic behavior every day of their life, so inevitably it comes with them into the balisong community.
I am glad you are a reasonable person, you are absolutely right and I know and hope Balisong Flipping can grow. You grew as a person which is great and I think as long as someone makes up for it and apologizes they can be forgiven. I once had a class where once someone made a really bad joke that was definitely not school appropriate in any way, but they apologized eventually and as I began to know them throughout the year I knew I couldn't judge someone's entire personality by one thing they said one time in the one hour period of time I see them in every other day, like you said it's their actions throughout their life and what they do afterwards. Thank you for being a great person and being voice of reason! subbed
Thank you for addressing this in an in depth fashion. It’s always nice to hear more thoughts on the subject and different views. Also on a less serious note. I peep the giant bread square in the corner 👀 7:36
This Chanel is the most epic thing ever. Hearing all your opinions on things in the balisong community really makes you feel alot more like your in the balisong community lol. Like previously you felt like some far away balisong entity that was kind of separate from everything else in the community, but now your much more persable and its really cool to see.
I'm glad! It's funny because I started doing balisong videos because of how in the community I was, not the other way around. So it's sad to think that I sometimes seem distant!
Brand brand new to flipping. I didn't have any idea there was a community or that there was drama. I didn't even realize that clones were such an issue. I thought they were just a balisong with klone in the name. Yes, I purchased one. I really want a nice quality blade but the klone was what was available to me and I didn't want to drop a ton of money on something that I wasn't even sure I would enjoy. If I get really into flipping, I will not be buying another cheap clone. Thank you for the advice. I learn a lot watching your videos.
I agree with a lot of the points in this video, you make great takes and points, one thing I'm surprised you didn't mention is what Brandon and Jake do in their server to get people to be moderator, the making kids eat raw eggs for mod is a fucked up thing to do. Another thing I wanted to mention is, when you don't have money for a certain knife you have, you get what you can afford, I agree with that. The problem is that Brandon clearly does have money to buy knives from real manufacturers and not just clones. Like just recently he bought a zephyr clone, and called it better than the real zephyr, plus called SvixCo "Shitco" in his description and then changed it. He does have money to spend and to get real bali's. I'm hoping u possibly make a video on the questionable things he's done. Shiv Shack made a few episodes of their podcast showing what Brandon and Jake did in their server and I hope you check it out. All in all, great video, great takes, great everything.
It's weird how this video has dislikes when it's actually an educational video. Will is the Chad and wholesome guy you meet in a discord community. Thanks for this man.
As someone who also got to face the wrath of the anti-clone bullies(including the guy who got me into flipping), I really enjoyed this video. When it happened to me I apologized for like 2 seconds then changed my mind and put them in their place. And while the point I was trying to get across was exactly the point you made in this video and it did get them to leave me alone, I also went about it in a very toxic way. But as you also pointed out I realize now that while it worked in my case, I still contributed towards this communities problem with toxicity. You and your affinity for orange helped opened my eyes to that, so thank you for that :)
DenDen I remember that shit show happening. Balitrix and iamnotarealboy were also two more people who got bullied and harrased by 50 and nardath. It's so stupid what the community will do to control.
Agreed. Love you, love your videos, here and on the main channel, love Brandon, and most of all: I’ve always been a fan of fun silliness, and you and B got that shit DOWN. Well said. Very well said. I really hope people listen. 🤞🏼
Mr Will I want to say thank you 1 you helped me get back into the balisong flipping 2 I suffer from severe depression and your content being me joy so you keep being you
Hi peeps, I'm actually looking for some advice about my Andux flipper. I'm trying to remove the latch from my knife. However, they have superglued the side of the bite handle with the hidden screws! Any suggestions? Please and thank you.
Love the video! I agree with what you said about balisong flipping and hate in general… it can get WAY to extreme and just unnecessary even if it’s tempting but dosent mean you can’t rant/vent about it just be civil if you do. It dose suck that balisongs are illegal in Canada and sucks that there are so many beautiful balisongs without a trainer blade option. Thankfully there are still a lot of amazing trainers out there! I was wondering who this zan person you mentioned in 17:51 Would be cool to see another Canadian balisong creators on this platform
It would be genuinely awesome to be able to hang with you and get to know you. I think you are incredibly skilled, not just in smooth and fluid handling, but also in the how intelligent you are in evaluating the community and keep a reserved judgement on people instead of jumping on the "popular opinion" band wagon. I loved hearing your views, of which I wholely agree. And really, your views are pretty generally universal about any fandom and community, even if you explain it in the context of the balisong fandom. Thank you for your views and your display, and I hope we certainly get to hear more from you. I appreciate everything you skillfully articulated here. :) My fandom and gaming communities have hardcore toxicity in it as well. It's certainly nothing knew to me. It's how we try to distance ourselves from others pressing and insisting opinions and try to find level-headed personal grounding in our own evaluation that can help us try to steer the waters to more forgiving and understanding territory. Not everybody listens though unfortunately. But we can still try to better ourselves, even if we can't always convince others to do the same. I myself have just started learning how to flip. But I personally know absolutely no one in my life who does it, so I have no one to learn from. I'm kinda surfing around for instruction really. I've never joined a flipping community, so I know nothing of the names you mentioned or who they are, but wish me luck that I can get to be as good as you are somehow. ✌️💃 Thank you for your content. And I wish you peace.
Towards the last week or two Balisong Flipping started to break and get really toxic. What started my disliking towards Balisong Flipping was the fact he banned multiple people for having a seperate opinion then his. You have a fair point and have changed my mind set on Brandon.
I did not know about this. I am very new to this community and Balisong Flipping was the first RUclipsr that I started following in this community. This makes me sad to hear about and changes how I feel towards him but I hope that this situation cools down.
Well this video 100% confirmed my suspicion that when you are a genuine caring person who speaks their mine very well. These are all great points and it shows that you really care about the community and people in general.
I'm also from middle-of-nowhere Texas and I also used to make trashy, bad-taste racist jokes. At some point, I realized that making those jokes wasn't okay, and I've started calling out those types of jokes rather than joining them. I've learned from those experiences and realized that what I said wasn't okay. I sincerely beleive that, with the reaction he received, Balsong Flipping had likely done the same.
you are probably my favorite balisong youtuber, great person with opinions that i agree with completely, and i hate the gatekeeping in this community aswell
On the clone thing. I currently have a falcon in the future I will get an atropos demon trainer. While I guess I did support a cloning company but I would have probably fallen out of love with balisongs if I didn't buy the falcon. Which buying that falcon will lead to 300 dollars in Atroposes pocket.
Im so glad you have the same views on clones as me! Everyone is way too extreme about it and they dont actually look into the nuances(not that its even that nuanced)
You know, I've noticed people always say "yeah I like ___ but the community is kinda toxic." After my many years of existence, I've realized this is literally every community, because people suck. Full stop.
Hey Will! Love the points you made, and I think Benji Knudsen also summed it up pretty concisely with, “any success in the community is a success for all.” However, I’d like to touch on the clone issue. Its the main reason why I stopped watching his content. I agree that buying a clone does not make someone a bad person, however I do think that promoting clones as better or close to as good as the original becomes an issue. He has quite a few videos where he tells people that the original manufacturers are overcharging and ripping off the community. I find this to be unfair to the original manufacturer as BalisongFlipping doesn’t seem to have a full understanding of economies of scale, cost of production, and just running manufacturing in general. And again, as you said, he does not deserve hate for this, but he does deserve to be called out for it.
Saying the quality on some clones is close to the originals is just the truth. It is calling out some of the BS that Balisong companies are doing like higher markups and the same limited/lack of supply shit that happens in the sneaker world. Limited, low stock drops of knives to artificially increase the demand and price. OG companies do charge extra for a lot of what you are talking about but still do the other BS as well. Sorry but it shouldn’t take months trying on drops to just get a production knife with eh materials. In that way, they are being unfair to the community.
26:29 yo why didn't you throw the knife into that piece of bread XD (i know its probably like a seat cushion or something but i really thought you were gonna throw the knife into it XD)
just so everyone is clear the person who runs the balisong flipping channel's name is Brandon, but it is not the Brandon in wills videos. those of us in the discord jokingly call balisong flipping "klandon" to distinguish between them. especially since saying "balisong flipping" to refer to a person can be confusing
on the topic of encouragement for new people who come into the community. my mother has always taught me that the big people take care of the little people. in other words the experienced flippers need to shelter and teach the new people so one day the new people can teach others.
I actually had no idea knifecaviar was so hated. I loved his vids and they really pulled me into the hobby. I know a lot of what I know now because of his vids :)
First time to the channel. I love how your flips seem to punctuate along with what you're saying. I'd like to learn more but all I got are live blades, shitty bear and sons stuff that will cut me everytime I try to learn anything more than basic flips. I see a lot of plastic trainers and stuff, will that ever translate to the real blade or is it a crutch? I've even taped my blade up but the point will still poke me like you got. I was entertained
I have a strange perspective on clones. I started out with crappy Amazon trainers, before moving to the Lucha as my first real knife. I loved it, but took a break from the hobby for a good year or so. Clones were a good way for me to get back into it, and I like them more than my lucha. I think it’s possible a lot of people prefer clones over original knives sometimes.
If it’s trainers i see no reason to buy anything other than a clone/ anything over like 100$. Unless that’s what u rly want I personally don’t wanna spend 200-350 on something I’m just gonna beat on I ain’t gonna let nobody tell me otherwise neither should you. More options besides clones are comin out for the same price point and better quality than clones once they do that’s when ima b done w clones.
15:05 This is true, i had bought 5 clone and that make me think about i had support to a clone company so i want to afford a krake raken by saving money. Love ur vid❤
Agree with your take on this, and balisong flipping seems like an alright guy with good vids. My thing is since he named himself "balisong flipping" he kinda rigged the youtube analytics for his channels exposure wich is kinda fucked as it drowns out creaters in the community from the search results, and I believe this could be a major reason for his growth. Don't know if he did that intentionally tho but it should be said
Sadly all niche communities and subcultures deal with drama and gate-keeping. I can't think of one I've been a part of where cliquing hasn't happened. The only strategy I've found is to ignore it, don't feed it, and build new and better things without them.
I love the way your looking at him. And I agree he shouldn’t have made that joke but that doesn’t mean he’s racist is what lots of people don’t get like you said. And I also agree what you said about clones if you can try and get the real one but if not it’s fine as long as your happy with it.
i have a bm51 clone because i live in australia and it’s the only thing i can get immediate access to, i’ve ordered some proxy’s but US has suspended shipping to australia so that’s all i have, clones are necessary
Everyone: talking about drama in balisong community
Me: his tricks r smooth af
Yes
No I’m just over here wondering why is he painting his nails
@@ooffoo7211 cause it looks great on him?
@@ooffoo7211 because he likes it and it looks really good in him
i am just looking at this and kinda remembering how much all communities are kinda similar and all have a pretty much pre determined fate that as it grows it gets more and more toxic and more assholes join the comnunity
i know atleast one example of this most people pobably know but there are so many i pobably came qcross that are like that and i just ended up forgetng
fixing it with your mouth is actually not bad advice! of course Neosporin is better but if you don't have access, saliva has antiseptic properties and it actually contains a pretty strong pain killer
fr? i never knew that
What?! That’s awesome
I think he was joking
(This is kinda long. Got a TL;DR at the end.)
Im late to the party, but dude‘s half-right. Saliva does contains opiorphin, which is a strong painkiller (stronger than morphine), but it also contains millions of bacteria. The pain may go away but you risk a bacterial infection.
Saliva is also somewhat antiseptic, but it doesnt mean saliva is completely clean and bacteria/virus-free, cuz your mouth is like, one of the most bacteria-infested place in your body. If those bacteria is not killed by the antiseptic saliva and u lick your wound, theres a possibility u gonna do more harm than good. Its not a completely bad idea (does have some benefits, and animals do it too), but you gotta remember it carries some sort of danger.
TL;DR: Saliva can stop the pain, but your mouth is dirty, so u risk bacteria infection by licking. Think b4 u lick
@@tryhardr2658 hey that’s actually really cool, thank you for telling us this!
It’s kinda hypocritical that your talking about him having clones but you have like 80 Brandon clones. (Jk this is just a joke and btw you and Brandon and really underrated and I can tell you all put a lot of effort in your videos!)
but he doesn’t support them or like them to my knowledge
and brandon from balisong flipping does support
@@UsefulTitanium76 they joke about having Brandon (his friend who makes his vids with) clones that they manufacture for .69¢ a piece.
@@reflexflips3448 that's too expensive
How are they underrated there this biggest RUclipsrs for balisonh flipping
I miss knifecaviar. Definitely was over-caffeinated, but he had heart.
Same
Who is that? Sorry, I'm new to the community. What happened?
Same
@@Oofu a bali vlogger that hasn't uploaded in a while because of irl stuff. he sold me his ex10 earlier this year actually
People really hated him for selling balisongs for more than they’re worth and being into streetwear?
I’m only half way through and I’m so incredibly blown away from the mention of me, all the way to your insight on everything including your actions on balisong flipping. I think you did a much better job of speaking on the view I had about all the situations we both covered. Seeing your passion and insight about the community and balisong in general is one of my main inspirations and I’m so blown away by your take on these topics Will, incredible job 🖤
Side note: fucking LOVVVVVE the nails
I love your videos! Keep up the amazing work!
Hey thank you so much for the inspiration to make this! I finally realized it was time to talk about it
I'm just so glad he got my message, you deserve so much more than you are getting my man. Continue making brilliant work for us man!
Ayy... look at you Serif! Changing the world and stuff 😋
I’m just a big softy hippie guy trying to spread positivity and love every day. Flipping balisongs brings me a lot of joy and I just want to share that more ^-^
Just got into this hobby a few months ago, had no idea about the drama but what hobby/ fandom doesn't have drama. Will, would you ever make a video about fails/ dropping the knife and such? Some days it gets me down seeing all these fantastic flippers on social media, especially cause I am a beginner, and wonder if I ever get to that skill level, I know it's just practice but..yeah
That's Great idea thank you! I'll have to do that
Trust me just keep flipping you will get better I promise it just takes time keep in mind all these people have been flipping for years
i’m about two weeks deep and i feel this
About 5 months in, still suck but it’s cool to watch yourself improve day by day.
What knife do you flip? I have a shitty eBay knife
THE LUCHA it’s been a while
Edit: ironically his name is Brandon
I will say I think some of the general toxicity is because the hobby of knives draws in a certain type of people, either grown adults or 13 year old's that think owning knives is like edgy and rebellious and such. It's a shame because balisongs are much more than that but this is an unfortunate effect.
I'd say that's a fair perspective
This really hits the nail on the head, knife communities ( not just balisongs ) draw in a crowd of people who are often lone-wolves or social exiles. These people don’t often have the best communication skills which leads to a lot of misunderstanding. On the other hand - the younger people introduced to the balisong specific hobby often come from gaming backgrounds, (say, pewdepie for ex.) and gaming communities are typically extremely toxic.
Ngl this issa really fair point.. but at least for me i got into flipping bc flipping it is so visually pleasing Lmaoo
excuse me, im a 15 year old and i flip balisongs for fun, not because i think its edgy. i dont go on the street and threaten ppl with a knife which should be used for something else.
I got my first bali when I was 13, and have now put 200 dollars into the hobby with a lucha trainer and a zipper(literally ordered one today for my b-day) since. Its been 2 years almost and I'm loving the ride. Definitely seen and heard about some stuff, but overall I try to embody christ in my actions by being supportive and kind and loving towards other people. Totally see what you're saying tho abt the edgy 13 year old vibe. I just thought flipping looked like the most fun thing.
Dude I miss knife caviar😩 (and that hand kiss was too wholesome lol)
I still rewatch his stuff from time to time :(
@@Furno52470 last time I checked he was focusing on camera and photography, he doesn’t care for the community hence why he dipped (from what I’ve heard don’t know if it’s true or not don’t quote me) but damn did he make a good video
@@Michael-bw4xv i wouldve loved to see him gush about the kraken or nautilus given how much he loved squid
@@Furno52470 for sure, i think he still flips but just doesn’t post
“Don’t forget, roast me in the comments boys!”
I fully agree will, I'm also from a shithole in Texas and have indeed made many mistakes in my past and have been incredibly insensitive. It's everyone's responsibility to grow as a person and try to become better every day, I think this is something we should all learn from. And btw you have a very mature mindset about all of this, Brandon from balisong flipping is who made me want to start making balisong videos, but you are what inspire me to become a better youtuber and try to put more effort into not only my RUclips videos but being a better person in general!
Haha El Paso, Texas aka crap hole 😆😂
@@meh6953 what?
I love it when Will gets passionate about something
As far as I'm aware he still denies ever saying it and claims the screenshots are fake.
I don’t know much about this controversy as I’m super new to flipping knives. I like how you talked about your backstory and growing up in a smaller community and growing to be a more socially aware person. Love your videos!!
Btw I got into flipping because of your videos! I love it now, cant put my Krake Raken down. Keep being awesome!
That's so awesome! And thank you!
No wonder Will grabbed the tea, he had to spill some in this video.
It was "unsweetened" too lol
@@brcglockjohnson5107 he spoke the bitter truth
This channel is my favorite thing right now. I love this content and I’m looking forward to more of these videos!! Keep up the great work
Will, thank you for the words about the clones. I am guilty of being rude and cruel to someone for buying a clone and your words made me rethink and reflect my actions. Once again, thank you.
Thank you! I'm glad my message came across!
can we teach balisong flipping to do more than one fuckin combo
I was pretty lucky when I got Into the hobby, I watched your videos and bali flipping sometimes but mainly just your content, and joined your discord, which is the only discord not made by me and my friends that I’m actually kind of active in, everyone is just so nice and helpful, definitely some cool people in there, if any of them are reading this :) good job at helping me with everything I didn’t understand
Thank you for making this video Will. I’ve flipped for a few years and I haven’t posted a single balisong video on my instagram because I still suck and I know it can get toxic in the community. I know this was mostly about Balisongflipping, but because you made this video I am considering of finally putting something on my instagram and not being ashamed of it.
Heck yeah!
I really feel like the final 5 minutes of this video should be required viewing for people who consider themself “in the balisong community.” The toxicity is a genuine problem that really turns people off from the hobby and I think a big reason is that many people struggle to find the ‘right way’ to call out other people. There are simultaneously people who are ignoring bad business or community practice, while also going nuclear over say; owning a clone. There needs to be accountability and respect in tandem. I think this balance will be extremely difficult due to the fact that most Balisong Flippers are young gamers. Young people and specifically young gamers - are exposed to toxic behavior every day of their life, so inevitably it comes with them into the balisong community.
That's a very good point, and I do hope more people get this message and spread it!
Man, are you the person they talk about when they say respect your elders ? Mad respect to you, man
I am glad you are a reasonable person, you are absolutely right and I know and hope Balisong Flipping can grow. You grew as a person which is great and I think as long as someone makes up for it and apologizes they can be forgiven. I once had a class where once someone made a really bad joke that was definitely not school appropriate in any way, but they apologized eventually and as I began to know them throughout the year I knew I couldn't judge someone's entire personality by one thing they said one time in the one hour period of time I see them in every other day, like you said it's their actions throughout their life and what they do afterwards. Thank you for being a great person and being voice of reason! subbed
Thank you for addressing this in an in depth fashion. It’s always nice to hear more thoughts on the subject and different views. Also on a less serious note. I peep the giant bread square in the corner 👀 7:36
That's the toast bed for Toast that Penny uses
I'm so glad my message was heard and that you addressed this as well. Thank you so much Will. I'm also glad that you mentioned me in the video
Thank you for telling me!!!
I wanted those handles soo bad, but they aren’t available 😭
I really enjoy these kinda videos its so chill to just have in the background
This Chanel is the most epic thing ever. Hearing all your opinions on things in the balisong community really makes you feel alot more like your in the balisong community lol. Like previously you felt like some far away balisong entity that was kind of separate from everything else in the community, but now your much more persable and its really cool to see.
I'm glad! It's funny because I started doing balisong videos because of how in the community I was, not the other way around. So it's sad to think that I sometimes seem distant!
Brand brand new to flipping. I didn't have any idea there was a community or that there was drama. I didn't even realize that clones were such an issue. I thought they were just a balisong with klone in the name. Yes, I purchased one. I really want a nice quality blade but the klone was what was available to me and I didn't want to drop a ton of money on something that I wasn't even sure I would enjoy. If I get really into flipping, I will not be buying another cheap clone. Thank you for the advice. I learn a lot watching your videos.
Ngl I loved this longer video! I wanna see more stuff like this!
I agree with a lot of the points in this video, you make great takes and points, one thing I'm surprised you didn't mention is what Brandon and Jake do in their server to get people to be moderator, the making kids eat raw eggs for mod is a fucked up thing to do. Another thing I wanted to mention is, when you don't have money for a certain knife you have, you get what you can afford, I agree with that. The problem is that Brandon clearly does have money to buy knives from real manufacturers and not just clones. Like just recently he bought a zephyr clone, and called it better than the real zephyr, plus called SvixCo "Shitco" in his description and then changed it. He does have money to spend and to get real bali's. I'm hoping u possibly make a video on the questionable things he's done. Shiv Shack made a few episodes of their podcast showing what Brandon and Jake did in their server and I hope you check it out. All in all, great video, great takes, great everything.
I've not known much about the discord thing so that's why I didn't mention it, I haven't really payed any attention to it haha
Was it raw eggs? I thought it was just eggs?
@@chucklesdeclown8819 raw eggs apparently
Wait Brandon as in will hirsch Brandon? I’m not super familiar with the main people in the balisong community
@@granttessitore9814 no Brandon as in balisong flipping Brandon
It's weird how this video has dislikes when it's actually an educational video. Will is the Chad and wholesome guy you meet in a discord community. Thanks for this man.
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I'm really liking the handle, nails and watch band scheme!
As someone who also got to face the wrath of the anti-clone bullies(including the guy who got me into flipping), I really enjoyed this video. When it happened to me I apologized for like 2 seconds then changed my mind and put them in their place. And while the point I was trying to get across was exactly the point you made in this video and it did get them to leave me alone, I also went about it in a very toxic way. But as you also pointed out I realize now that while it worked in my case, I still contributed towards this communities problem with toxicity. You and your affinity for orange helped opened my eyes to that, so thank you for that :)
good to see you!
DenDen I remember that shit show happening. Balitrix and iamnotarealboy were also two more people who got bullied and harrased by 50 and nardath. It's so stupid what the community will do to control.
In the end of the day we are all flippers who love the art. We should not be divided but help each other grow ♥️ You're a good person Will 🧡
I like that you remained objective throughout the sharing of your opinions.
Also, people need to stop gatekeeping hobbies.
Agreed. Love you, love your videos, here and on the main channel, love Brandon, and most of all: I’ve always been a fan of fun silliness, and you and B got that shit DOWN.
Well said. Very well said. I really hope people listen. 🤞🏼
Mr Will I want to say thank you 1 you helped me get back into the balisong flipping 2 I suffer from severe depression and your content being me joy so you keep being you
I'm glad you like it!!
Hi peeps, I'm actually looking for some advice about my Andux flipper.
I'm trying to remove the latch from my knife. However, they have superglued the side of the bite handle with the hidden screws!
Any suggestions? Please and thank you.
I personally love these type of videos.. super easy and fun to watch
Unsweet tea👌, this was a really really great video😁
Great vid man keep it up plz. Great stuff btw I totally aggree about the clones
Love your vids will, keep em coming bro
will, we appreciate the effort you put into your videos. they're sick
whatever sideways aerial combo you keep doing is so satisfying
Love the video! I agree with what you said about balisong flipping and hate in general… it can get WAY to extreme and just unnecessary even if it’s tempting but dosent mean you can’t rant/vent about it just be civil if you do.
It dose suck that balisongs are illegal in Canada and sucks that there are so many beautiful balisongs without a trainer blade option. Thankfully there are still a lot of amazing trainers out there!
I was wondering who this zan person you mentioned in 17:51
Would be cool to see another Canadian balisong creators on this platform
It would be genuinely awesome to be able to hang with you and get to know you. I think you are incredibly skilled, not just in smooth and fluid handling, but also in the how intelligent you are in evaluating the community and keep a reserved judgement on people instead of jumping on the "popular opinion" band wagon. I loved hearing your views, of which I wholely agree. And really, your views are pretty generally universal about any fandom and community, even if you explain it in the context of the balisong fandom.
Thank you for your views and your display, and I hope we certainly get to hear more from you. I appreciate everything you skillfully articulated here. :)
My fandom and gaming communities have hardcore toxicity in it as well. It's certainly nothing knew to me. It's how we try to distance ourselves from others pressing and insisting opinions and try to find level-headed personal grounding in our own evaluation that can help us try to steer the waters to more forgiving and understanding territory. Not everybody listens though unfortunately. But we can still try to better ourselves, even if we can't always convince others to do the same.
I myself have just started learning how to flip. But I personally know absolutely no one in my life who does it, so I have no one to learn from. I'm kinda surfing around for instruction really. I've never joined a flipping community, so I know nothing of the names you mentioned or who they are, but wish me luck that I can get to be as good as you are somehow. ✌️💃
Thank you for your content. And I wish you peace.
Chilling watching this cause I just built one, first live blade❤️. Love the history here clears a weird vibe you get sometime 🤣
Towards the last week or two Balisong Flipping started to break and get really toxic. What started my disliking towards Balisong Flipping was the fact he banned multiple people for having a seperate opinion then his.
You have a fair point and have changed my mind set on Brandon.
I’m sorry that this is so off topic, but I love your nails! They match the Bali really well too :)
It also matches your Lami Safari pen :)
I love that Lucha, looking so clean!!
Can u do a tutorial on that trick u did after behind 8 ball i n this video?
i already like you as a creator and a person but this video just made my respect for you go waaaaaaaay up!
I did not know about this. I am very new to this community and Balisong Flipping was the first RUclipsr that I started following in this community. This makes me sad to hear about and changes how I feel towards him but I hope that this situation cools down.
Is that a polished blade lucha?I have one too but the handles are stock
please do more videos with the lucha! i love that knife so much. gonna get the flytanium aluminum handles soon :)
Well this video 100% confirmed my suspicion that when you are a genuine caring person who speaks their mine very well. These are all great points and it shows that you really care about the community and people in general.
I'm also from middle-of-nowhere Texas and I also used to make trashy, bad-taste racist jokes. At some point, I realized that making those jokes wasn't okay, and I've started calling out those types of jokes rather than joining them. I've learned from those experiences and realized that what I said wasn't okay. I sincerely beleive that, with the reaction he received, Balsong Flipping had likely done the same.
the socks nails and balisong :3 I LOVE IT
My respect for you just went up a whole lot after watching this video
Honestly I think that's every large community. If you have a large amount of people who like the same thing there's gonna be a lot of drama.
you are probably my favorite balisong youtuber, great person with opinions that i agree with completely, and i hate the gatekeeping in this community aswell
Thanks for covering this
AAAAAND I see that lamy safari I see you
AYYY
On the clone thing. I currently have a falcon in the future I will get an atropos demon trainer. While I guess I did support a cloning company but I would have probably fallen out of love with balisongs if I didn't buy the falcon. Which buying that falcon will lead to 300 dollars in Atroposes pocket.
I think that's a great point!
Im so glad you have the same views on clones as me! Everyone is way too extreme about it and they dont actually look into the nuances(not that its even that nuanced)
Pretty insightful video dude.
I know it’s a relatively old knife, but your Lucha looks so fucking clean. Also valid opinions
I still love it!
You know, I've noticed people always say "yeah I like ___ but the community is kinda toxic."
After my many years of existence, I've realized this is literally every community, because people suck. Full stop.
Hey Will! Love the points you made, and I think Benji Knudsen also summed it up pretty concisely with, “any success in the community is a success for all.” However, I’d like to touch on the clone issue. Its the main reason why I stopped watching his content. I agree that buying a clone does not make someone a bad person, however I do think that promoting clones as better or close to as good as the original becomes an issue. He has quite a few videos where he tells people that the original manufacturers are overcharging and ripping off the community. I find this to be unfair to the original manufacturer as BalisongFlipping doesn’t seem to have a full understanding of economies of scale, cost of production, and just running manufacturing in general. And again, as you said, he does not deserve hate for this, but he does deserve to be called out for it.
I totally agree with that!
Saying the quality on some clones is close to the originals is just the truth. It is calling out some of the BS that Balisong companies are doing like higher markups and the same limited/lack of supply shit that happens in the sneaker world. Limited, low stock drops of knives to artificially increase the demand and price. OG companies do charge extra for a lot of what you are talking about but still do the other BS as well. Sorry but it shouldn’t take months trying on drops to just get a production knife with eh materials. In that way, they are being unfair to the community.
26:29 yo why didn't you throw the knife into that piece of bread XD
(i know its probably like a seat cushion or something but i really thought you were gonna throw the knife into it XD)
just so everyone is clear the person who runs the balisong flipping channel's name is Brandon, but it is not the Brandon in wills videos. those of us in the discord jokingly call balisong flipping "klandon" to distinguish between them. especially since saying "balisong flipping" to refer to a person can be confusing
hahaha yessss we call him klandon
I still remember Knife Caviar....I liked watching his videos because he had a lot of exotic balisongs
Not just knives, great all round life advice. Thanks.
Something I love about balisong flipping is how he shouts people’s channels out frequently
Thanks... I'm also everywhere 😅
@@BalisongFlipping 🤯
@@SeTBAck-j9l 😉
Will i love the truth and the fact and the positivity please keep this up ❤👍
Could you take a look at the "Knivesmatter AoD bounty hunter"?
on the topic of encouragement for new people who come into the community. my mother has always taught me that the big people take care of the little people. in other words the experienced flippers need to shelter and teach the new people so one day the new people can teach others.
I actually had no idea knifecaviar was so hated. I loved his vids and they really pulled me into the hobby. I know a lot of what I know now because of his vids :)
Does the flytanium handle mods works for the trainer.
Yes!
First time to the channel. I love how your flips seem to punctuate along with what you're saying.
I'd like to learn more but all I got are live blades, shitty bear and sons stuff that will cut me everytime I try to learn anything more than basic flips.
I see a lot of plastic trainers and stuff, will that ever translate to the real blade or is it a crutch? I've even taped my blade up but the point will still poke me like you got.
I was entertained
Metal trainers are great for if u are transitioning to a live blade and some live blade balisongs have a trainer version.
Is that a lamy safari? Are you also into fountain pens?
I have a strange perspective on clones. I started out with crappy Amazon trainers, before moving to the Lucha as my first real knife. I loved it, but took a break from the hobby for a good year or so. Clones were a good way for me to get back into it, and I like them more than my lucha. I think it’s possible a lot of people prefer clones over original knives sometimes.
Clones are a good entry point. Especially if you're not able to spend 200$ on a high quality original
@@squidcultist0022 along with the fact that i’ve heard that some clones are actually more durable than the original
plus i’ve also seen that most clones are exactly like the original
If it’s trainers i see no reason to buy anything other than a clone/ anything over like 100$. Unless that’s what u rly want I personally don’t wanna spend 200-350 on something I’m just gonna beat on I ain’t gonna let nobody tell me otherwise neither should you. More options besides clones are comin out for the same price point and better quality than clones once they do that’s when ima b done w clones.
People like them because sometimes you get something of similar quality for a third of the price
i heard u mention u had a discord server, where would i find that or is it exclusive?
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Unrelated but you got any Brandon clones laying around? I need a boi.
I love your vids 😭😭😭 orange is Awsome
Are you into fountain pens too? Love them
Yes!!
What did balisong flipping say on Instagram
15:05 This is true, i had bought 5 clone and that make me think about i had support to a clone company so i want to afford a krake raken by saving money. Love ur vid❤
Not only the nails but the watch band too lol
Agree with your take on this, and balisong flipping seems like an alright guy with good vids. My thing is since he named himself "balisong flipping" he kinda rigged the youtube analytics for his channels exposure wich is kinda fucked as it drowns out creaters in the community from the search results, and I believe this could be a major reason for his growth. Don't know if he did that intentionally tho but it should be said
This is something I've thought about too haha
Never knew why knife caviar left. The more you know
I knew I had to buy a lot of different ones, because they wear out while dropping them a lot. I can't buy top shelf things until I get better.
I thought balisong flipping was a happy hobby but now I see some people suck
Sadly all niche communities and subcultures deal with drama and gate-keeping. I can't think of one I've been a part of where cliquing hasn't happened. The only strategy I've found is to ignore it, don't feed it, and build new and better things without them.
It's very true
“That’s how you fix it, with your mouth” -Will, 2021
can someone update me on what bf said? i can’t find any posts or screenshots talking about it
I love the way your looking at him. And I agree he shouldn’t have made that joke but that doesn’t mean he’s racist is what lots of people don’t get like you said. And I also agree what you said about clones if you can try and get the real one but if not it’s fine as long as your happy with it.
Where was the town cuz I might live there
i have a bm51 clone because i live in australia and it’s the only thing i can get immediate access to, i’ve ordered some proxy’s but US has suspended shipping to australia so that’s all i have, clones are necessary
Absolutely!
Dude he banned me 4 times from his discord for no reason and i know 2 other people who got banned
Talk to me about the Lamy on the pad! 😃 Rollerball or fountain?
I think... Just try not to be too childish people. But we are talking about a channel that caters only for trainer blades, so..
and there's me sitting on the floor with a bm42 clone while all of this is happening:)