*Oh I don't know Barricade, that's a tough call. The two games are so evenly matched that it would be hard to determine which game was truly superior.* Said nobody, ever.
Funny story, early on my RUclips career I once played Rise Of The Dark Spark on stream. What I didn't know at the time was that the main menu it's copyrighted (THEY COULDN'T EVEN MAKE THEIR OWN OST!), so I got a copyright strike and had to delete the stream. And I hated them ever since! Besides being a copy-and-pasted game, I dislike the game for a more personal(petty reason) but I'm so glad to see a video just openly dunking on the game
That is something I noticed as well. I've managed to sneak past it for all my walkthrough videos, only the end credits got dinged for me, so I just separated it from the final episode to avoid it. It's not a bad song, but I think is the only time I've seen a TF game use copyrighted music outside any Stan Bush songs at the end.
Fun fact, the EMP Shotgun was originally supposed to return in Fall of Cybertron, but was removed early in development. Though it shares the same Model as the Energon Harvester and files of it exist in the game.
Okay after doing some digging, it looks like I botched my coalesced with regards to the Throwback Blaster and Electro Bolter. Not sure how the heck that happened, but that would be why all the reports I'm getting say they have them both as Primary they are indeed correct.
ROTDS couldn't even add a new single weapon they could not even add the sniper seen in the FOC MP. Sure it wouldn't be useful when you also got the nucleus rifle but they could make the fire rate and damage different or something anything.
There's one other thing I noticed when playing through Fall and Rise: A difference in level design. In Fall, the levels are designed around your character's vehicle and special ability. Starscream and Vortex's levels are wide open and invite you to fly around, while Cliffjumper and Jazz use their ability to make their way through the level. Meanwhile in Rise, you're given a random character with an escalation or multiplayer ability slapped on that not only makes no sense, but is rarely used and has no importance to the level minus a couple points like grappling.
I love how there were so many cool details Fall Of Cybertron had compared to Rise. Edge Of Reality really did drop the ball hard on every aspect and it hurts to see. Also, a little correction at 12:15, it was the Ion Cartridge that replaced the Tachyon Transmitter. Not the Amplifier Pak lol. Great video though!
Excellent video. Your delivery was great and you have a voice that is really nice to listen to. I also appreciate you actually trying to compare these two games, as Rise of the Dark Spark has a lot of nonsensical changes.
The lighting is somehow horrible too, especially on maps like Broken Hope. The art style on the Cybertron levels seems an attempt at mixing WFC and Foc in the worst way you can imagine. A fan would have done it miles better. Earth levels literally use DOTM assets. The only thing unique in this game are the earth characters which look like plastic. Conclusion: a bad copy and paste game that should be just a dlc for foc.
Thoughts on the weapons: I will say the techvolt is a good anti-rocket weapon, and can also get rid of grenades and enforcer/marauder shells, no I'm not joking! It does work! The throwback weapons is a primary in FOC, or atleast when I play it, it is. The trick I use with the Chaos Rift is that I detonate it in mid flight to shower enemies in grenades so they detonate on impact which makes HUGE damage! Can easily Wreck enforcers with ease and infantry squads. It was an enemy muncher in pvp. Feared and respected. Also, the upgrades are the exact same for the Heavy weapons in rise as they are in FOC Escalation mode. But when I was playing it felt that they all did worse in Rise when compared to Fall. And I have played Fall for YEARS! On both Xbox 360 and PC. Another note, the lack of money and instead a lootbox system was another negative. Sure both are fine, but I liked the money better. Plus if they did do both together it would've given us something to purchase more instead of it collecting endlessly in the years of playing the campaign. Just a side note about a change in the comparison.
Hey Barricade, can you do a War for Cybertron vs Fall of Cybertron video? That would be pretty cool. Also please don't judge the games based on graphics and how it looks, that's just pure stupidity because gameplay matters the most.
I had plans for something like with a character comparison between the War and Fall versions of the characters so that might be something I'll try later down the line.
I will give credit for the rotds crew have other characters into action but sometimes they can be annoying also the addition with the heavy gunners that were only seen and fight against in foc escalation
The one thing I don't like about the Rise of the Dark Spark is the lack of inconsistency. From chapters 2 - 9, it's set between War and Fall of Cybertron. Why does Megatron have his Fall of Cybertron look? And why did the Decepticons still have Trypticon's remains when the Autobots took him? And why did Trypticon's corpse look decrepit already? It's not that continuity errors I have an issue with, it's the long droning nonsensical dialogue that Lockdown breaks into. The final boss with him is just....AGONISING!!
There are so many unnecessary additions to ROTDS, I don't understand. Almost all of the differences you listed in this video are sidegrades or downgrades, it's like EOR didn't understand what makes a game fun.
One problem that FOC and ROTDS both share are the limited and boring enemy types (except titans, leapers and to some extent shotgunners) in the campaign/escalation mode, not saying they're bad but they're pretty one dimensional especially the regular grunts compared to WFC (not that WFC AI for the grunts was perfect but at least they could transform), they feel like they're reskins of Call of Duty AI that have to constantly take cover before they can open fire this problem also lies with the rocket troopers and sharpshooters who have the same and plane AI that the regular grunts have Edit:I kinda wish transformers games had a large but varied roster of enemy types that are just fun to shoot at just like halo does
Agreed man, I honestly thought I was the only one who thought this. WFC enemies are just so much more aggressive and fun to fight than FOC, I remember how people like RandomBlackGamer said that “FOC had more interesting enemies than WFC” and I just had to question if they even played the games at all.
The story line in rise of the dark spark made no sense at all for the most part the collaboration between the Earth and Cybertron storyline I remember I used to make up my own storyline like the second mission when shockwave find the Insecticons would he the reveal and way he got his Insecticons on fall of Cybertron and then the combaticons perhaps this was their younger days of their career which is why they didn't really take their job seriously just small things like that I still prefer foc a lot more than this the story line was well polished but if they didn't rushed rise of the dark spark and actually put time in making a decent storyline into it and added some more content then maybe it would of been such a better game but thats just my opinion
wow... I certainly know for a fact that the Sling Shock wasn't that bad in Foc! I mean I watched your Foc playthrough and it was a thing of beauty!! so I don't get what's going on here...
Honestly I really don't like rotds campaign besides the cybertron parts (Those are ok lol) however the earth parts FRICKIN SUCKS! OMG I played it on the ps3 years ago and as a little kid I thought it was ok but then this year I downloaded the game for the nostalgia and it SUCKS! Foc will always be 100% times better then rotds. I mean rotds escalation is alright u know but even the escalation still feels weird and kinda clunky. Also let's mention the long waves jeez.
*Oh I don't know Barricade, that's a tough call. The two games are so evenly matched that it would be hard to determine which game was truly superior.*
Said nobody, ever.
Fall of Cybertron was the perfect mix of difficulty and entertainment.
Dark Spark upped the difficulty and lowered the fun.
True and dark spark has no online matches but escalation
I dont understand why people complain about difficulty, its good to have a challenge.
*flashback to rescuing cliffhumper*
@snakesingh2427 War for Cybertron & FOC are also challenging too but they are actually good.
Funny story, early on my RUclips career I once played Rise Of The Dark Spark on stream. What I didn't know at the time was that the main menu it's copyrighted (THEY COULDN'T EVEN MAKE THEIR OWN OST!), so I got a copyright strike and had to delete the stream. And I hated them ever since! Besides being a copy-and-pasted game, I dislike the game for a more personal(petty reason) but I'm so glad to see a video just openly dunking on the game
That is something I noticed as well. I've managed to sneak past it for all my walkthrough videos, only the end credits got dinged for me, so I just separated it from the final episode to avoid it. It's not a bad song, but I think is the only time I've seen a TF game use copyrighted music outside any Stan Bush songs at the end.
Fun fact, the EMP Shotgun was originally supposed to return in Fall of Cybertron, but was removed early in development. Though it shares the same Model as the Energon Harvester and files of it exist in the game.
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Okay after doing some digging, it looks like I botched my coalesced with regards to the Throwback Blaster and Electro Bolter. Not sure how the heck that happened, but that would be why all the reports I'm getting say they have them both as Primary they are indeed correct.
So rotds loses two points. As if those did anything
ROTDS couldn't even add a new single weapon they could not even add the sniper seen in the FOC MP. Sure it wouldn't be useful when you also got the nucleus rifle but they could make the fire rate and damage different or something anything.
You mean the Orbital Scout Pistol for Scientists? That's just a retool of the Corrupter gun that marks enemies through walls.
Fall of Cybertron superior! Rise of the Dark Spark… inferior
Spoken like a true Cybertronian.
@@JollyNatorlike me
Wfc: "most inferior"
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Dont get me wrong i love both games Rise was very fun i used to played it everyday it was awesome to play as different characters in multiplayer
There's one other thing I noticed when playing through Fall and Rise: A difference in level design. In Fall, the levels are designed around your character's vehicle and special ability. Starscream and Vortex's levels are wide open and invite you to fly around, while Cliffjumper and Jazz use their ability to make their way through the level. Meanwhile in Rise, you're given a random character with an escalation or multiplayer ability slapped on that not only makes no sense, but is rarely used and has no importance to the level minus a couple points like grappling.
I love how there were so many cool details Fall Of Cybertron had compared to Rise. Edge Of Reality really did drop the ball hard on every aspect and it hurts to see.
Also, a little correction at 12:15, it was the Ion Cartridge that replaced the Tachyon Transmitter. Not the Amplifier Pak lol. Great video though!
Excellent video. Your delivery was great and you have a voice that is really nice to listen to. I also appreciate you actually trying to compare these two games, as Rise of the Dark Spark has a lot of nonsensical changes.
The lighting is somehow horrible too, especially on maps like Broken Hope. The art style on the Cybertron levels seems an attempt at mixing WFC and Foc in the worst way you can imagine. A fan would have done it miles better. Earth levels literally use DOTM assets. The only thing unique in this game are the earth characters which look like plastic. Conclusion: a bad copy and paste game that should be just a dlc for foc.
17:25 and 19:12 That's interesting, my FOC has the Throwback Blaster and Electrobolter as a "Primary Weapons".
Same, console for you as well? Xbox 360 for mine.
@@davidmorris4612 nah PC.
Thoughts on the weapons:
I will say the techvolt is a good anti-rocket weapon, and can also get rid of grenades and enforcer/marauder shells, no I'm not joking! It does work!
The throwback weapons is a primary in FOC, or atleast when I play it, it is.
The trick I use with the Chaos Rift is that I detonate it in mid flight to shower enemies in grenades so they detonate on impact which makes HUGE damage! Can easily Wreck enforcers with ease and infantry squads. It was an enemy muncher in pvp. Feared and respected.
Also, the upgrades are the exact same for the Heavy weapons in rise as they are in FOC Escalation mode. But when I was playing it felt that they all did worse in Rise when compared to Fall. And I have played Fall for YEARS! On both Xbox 360 and PC.
Another note, the lack of money and instead a lootbox system was another negative. Sure both are fine, but I liked the money better. Plus if they did do both together it would've given us something to purchase more instead of it collecting endlessly in the years of playing the campaign. Just a side note about a change in the comparison.
2:47 God of War let me introduce you to the unskipable cutscene of the entire game
Hey Barricade, can you do a War for Cybertron vs Fall of Cybertron video? That would be pretty cool. Also please don't judge the games based on graphics and how it looks, that's just pure stupidity because gameplay matters the most.
I had plans for something like with a character comparison between the War and Fall versions of the characters so that might be something I'll try later down the line.
Congrats, you straight up illustrated why I’ve almost never bothered with Rise of the Dark Spark over this past decade
Throwback blaster is a primary weapon for me. I have no idea why it is heavy for you
Electro Bolter is primary for me too. I am very very very very confused
I will give credit for the rotds crew have other characters into action but sometimes they can be annoying also the addition with the heavy gunners that were only seen and fight against in foc escalation
Only things I actually liked Rise of the dark spark
No Hud setting
Choosing character for escalation.
Boss Battles in escalation.
but what about shop with ALL weapons, ALL abilities, ALL items?
Well actually, the Heavy Weapons did had four upgrades in Fall of Cybertron but you could only see it in Escalation.
The one thing I don't like about the Rise of the Dark Spark is the lack of inconsistency. From chapters 2 - 9, it's set between War and Fall of Cybertron. Why does Megatron have his Fall of Cybertron look? And why did the Decepticons still have Trypticon's remains when the Autobots took him? And why did Trypticon's corpse look decrepit already? It's not that continuity errors I have an issue with, it's the long droning nonsensical dialogue that Lockdown breaks into. The final boss with him is just....AGONISING!!
Because of Starscream's arm uses blue for both primary and secondary colors his wings gets wrong in escalation (same for Thunder and Warp)
There are so many unnecessary additions to ROTDS, I don't understand. Almost all of the differences you listed in this video are sidegrades or downgrades, it's like EOR didn't understand what makes a game fun.
Do not forget to mention that the UI In rise feels really ackward, while In FoC is just better.
Happy New Year Barricade! 💖💖💖
I had this same conversation over cigars and whiskey a few weeks ago.
i was hoping you'd cover the differences in their escalation modes, i hear rotds's escalation is more fun than foc sometimes
Great video 👍
In my personal opinion the Bruticus level in RotDS was much better.
One problem that FOC and ROTDS both share are the limited and boring enemy types (except titans, leapers and to some extent shotgunners) in the campaign/escalation mode, not saying they're bad but they're pretty one dimensional especially the regular grunts compared to WFC (not that WFC AI for the grunts was perfect but at least they could transform), they feel like they're reskins of Call of Duty AI that have to constantly take cover before they can open fire this problem also lies with the rocket troopers and sharpshooters who have the same and plane AI that the regular grunts have
Edit:I kinda wish transformers games had a large but varied roster of enemy types that are just fun to shoot at just like halo does
Agreed man, I honestly thought I was the only one who thought this. WFC enemies are just so much more aggressive and fun to fight than FOC, I remember how people like RandomBlackGamer said that “FOC had more interesting enemies than WFC” and I just had to question if they even played the games at all.
Nice comparison
The story line in rise of the dark spark made no sense at all for the most part the collaboration between the Earth and Cybertron storyline I remember I used to make up my own storyline like the second mission when shockwave find the Insecticons would he the reveal and way he got his Insecticons on fall of Cybertron and then the combaticons perhaps this was their younger days of their career which is why they didn't really take their job seriously just small things like that I still prefer foc a lot more than this the story line was well polished but if they didn't rushed rise of the dark spark and actually put time in making a decent storyline into it and added some more content then maybe it would of been such a better game but thats just my opinion
That's strange because on my xbox 360 throwback blaster was a primary weapon not a heavy
I am on PC (same as him) and Electro bolter and throwback is primary. I have no idea how that happened
@@alumlovescakeprobably a mod
wow... I certainly know for a fact that the Sling Shock wasn't that bad in Foc!
I mean I watched your Foc playthrough and it was a thing of beauty!!
so I don't get what's going on here...
Also when megatron gets the dark spark nothing happens unlike in war for cybertron where megatron uses the dark energon and caused so much havoc
How about the boss fights?
The throwback blaster is broken in ROTDS for me for sometimes it ADS fine other times the ADS is more then others
Rise of the Dark Spark…
….What a waste of time and energon. It will be much better to use it as Scraplet’s food..
No, even Scraplets hate it.
How did you play escalation
Same Designs, New Adventures
Honestly I really don't like rotds campaign besides the cybertron parts (Those are ok lol) however the earth parts FRICKIN SUCKS! OMG I played it on the ps3 years ago and as a little kid I thought it was ok but then this year I downloaded the game for the nostalgia and it SUCKS! Foc will always be 100% times better then rotds. I mean rotds escalation is alright u know but even the escalation still feels weird and kinda clunky. Also let's mention the long waves jeez.
Foc A4 shit in campaign and escalation, but one of the best guns in multiplayer. Don't ask how but that's how it is
Having just tested it out in MP for the first real time it actually is a really fun gun to use! Not sure why it sucks so much for campaign...
I don't care what anybody say I enjoy rise of the dark spark though more on the Cybertron mission side
Foc rise rotds fall
wait the throwback blaster is heavy? for me its primary in the game
My coalesced was bugged during the time and such several weapons were set up on the wrong class.
Awesome weapons
I'm not bothered by trivial things
Where can i download transformers the revenge of the fallen game
Hey, can u leave a link to download transformers revenge of the fallen game.
fall of cybertron and the dark spark are bad, the best cybertron game is war for cybertron, that game was made with love and quality.....
The fall wins
Bo rise of the dark Spark