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Done. Very straight forward chapter, everything makes sense. The chapters are getting easier as was mentioned at the very beginning of the Capital audiobook. Thank you.
Thank you once again S4A. My last comment was in anticipation of this chapter. Thank you for your comment that we have to be of a global mindset since everyone everywhere are interconnected in one way or another. I been reading from the Marxist Internet Archive and here is an excerpt from a 1904 speech by Daniel De Leon: "Capitalist law reflects the material substructure of capitalism. The theory of that substructure is war, conflict, struggle. It can be no otherwise. Given the private ownership of natural and social opportunities, society is turned into a jungle of wild beasts, in which the “fittest” wild beast terrorizes the less “fit,” and these in turn imitate among themselves the “fit” qualities of the biggest brute. No nuptial veils of lace or silk can conceal this state of things on the matrimonial field; no rhetoric can hide it on any other field. The rawboned struggle is there. It is inevitable. It is a shadow cast by the angles of fact of the capitalist system. Now, then, is it the mission of the labor or Socialist movement to continue or to uproot the material conditions that cast the shadow? Its mission is to uproot it.
12 mins in: good comments regarding the problems with using the man vs. Nature dichotomy. 15mins: and good comments regarding thinking more holistically, dialectically, expanding ones thinking to encompass the plight of all working people the world over and the environment.
Thanks for another great reading 📚 I'm sure everyone agrees with the critical importance of managing industry's impact on the biosphere. I've heard (but not read) that Marx and Engels were aware of the problem. It seems to me that a scientifically planned economy would naturally allow for sustainable industry. I think Marx is correct if he treats human industry as something qualitatively different from other things in nature.
I am of opinion that in advanced capitalist countries there has to be a very large population of class conscious workers who would organize a central directing authority in which planning the economy is possible after uprooting capitalism. Workers who collectively operate industries and services would be able to roll back the environmental damages done by capitalism.
@SocialismForAll I remember seeing a meme talking about Starbucks vs Amazon union and non productive (Starbucks) vs productive labor (Amazon) and how people need to learn there Marx to tell the difference and based on what you have said, it seems like the poster was wrong as both would be productive
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Chapter 7 . Algo comment. Will watch tomorrow. Thank you S4A
Done. Very straight forward chapter, everything makes sense. The chapters are getting easier as was mentioned at the very beginning of the Capital audiobook.
Thank you.
Thank you once again S4A. My last comment was in anticipation of this chapter. Thank you for your comment that we have to be of a global mindset since everyone everywhere are interconnected in one way or another. I been reading from the Marxist Internet Archive and here is an excerpt from a 1904 speech by Daniel De Leon:
"Capitalist law reflects the material substructure of capitalism. The theory of that substructure is war, conflict, struggle. It can be no otherwise. Given the private ownership of natural and social opportunities, society is turned into a jungle of wild beasts, in which the “fittest” wild beast terrorizes the less “fit,” and these in turn imitate among themselves the “fit” qualities of the biggest brute. No nuptial veils of lace or silk can conceal this state of things on the matrimonial field; no rhetoric can hide it on any other field. The rawboned struggle is there. It is inevitable. It is a shadow cast by the angles of fact of the capitalist system.
Now, then, is it the mission of the labor or Socialist movement to continue or to uproot the material conditions that cast the shadow? Its mission is to uproot it.
12 mins in: good comments regarding the problems with using the man vs. Nature dichotomy.
15mins: and good comments regarding thinking more holistically, dialectically, expanding ones thinking to encompass the plight of all working people the world over and the environment.
Hell yeah. Listening now ☭
Thank you for your tireless work.
Yes! Have been looking forward to this. Thank you s4a
Thank you!
Thanks for another great reading 📚
I'm sure everyone agrees with the critical importance of managing industry's impact on the biosphere. I've heard (but not read) that Marx and Engels were aware of the problem. It seems to me that a scientifically planned economy would naturally allow for sustainable industry.
I think Marx is correct if he treats human industry as something qualitatively different from other things in nature.
I am of opinion that in advanced capitalist countries there has to be a very large population of class conscious workers who would organize a central directing authority in which planning the economy is possible after uprooting capitalism. Workers who collectively operate industries and services would be able to roll back the environmental damages done by capitalism.
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So what kinds of labor are productive but bot useful? I am assuming labor that is only existent due to the legal and economic systems in place
All labor that is productive (profit-generating) is also useful (create use-values) because all commodities are use-values.
@SocialismForAll I remember seeing a meme talking about Starbucks vs Amazon union and non productive (Starbucks) vs productive labor (Amazon) and how people need to learn there Marx to tell the difference and based on what you have said, it seems like the poster was wrong as both would be productive
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